Do I regret buying the BMW M140i?
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- Опубліковано 7 сер 2024
- Do I regret buying the M140i? Maybe not, but I do regret something...
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Hi, I have just come across your channel. I love my M140i, it is so practical, when running stage 2 was mental fast. The first day I drove it the car never felt planted on the road, didn't give you that confidence, that is changing. I will be doing a video about fitting the front strut brace, wow what a change and the underbody brace kit. For £250 the car will become what I wanted. I didn't want the stand out look of the M2 and basically I have the same interior so have no plans on changing. I should of done the bracing kit then the remap, changes your outlook. I will hit subscribe :)
I’ve got a m140i 3 door with manual gearbox stage 1 tuned 433bhp and I drive the car hard and don’t get this floaty feeling that a lot of owners mention. I’m wondering if this is just a trait of the quick shifting zf8 that upsets the car vs my slower precise left arm doing the gear changing
I thought this was going to be another done to death hit list against buying the B58 but to be fair you made good points but lets face it, the 140i and the M2 are very different handling cars even though BMW try to craftily trick people by sticking an M badge on everything nowadays.
Fact my stock m140i is faster straight line than an original M2 but when it comes to handling/braking the M2 wins hands down. I can understand you regretting not buying the M2.
I wanted to try and stay away from the usual points people make to be honest, more personal thoughts... & exactly that, although the 140i is the M140i, there isn't much M about it barring the engine, it does feel like I'm hating on the F21 but I do really like the car, it's just disguised as something else. Being Stage 1 approx. 420bhp mine would be quicker in a straight line too but it's not all that often I get to really push the car, even at 300bhp you're going to have to get to license loosing speeds to experience the whole amount of power. Is the handling noticeably better? I know the M2s come with the diff which is going to help massively, but in terms of the turn in/grip etc?
It’ll never be an M car no matter how much money you chuck at it but it was never meant to be; it’s more discreet, more practical as a hatch and costs a chunk less to run.
The chassis isn’t the best, but it isn’t as bad as the internet makes out. By the time the chassis falls starts to shit itself you’re really pressing on and a floaty, bouncy rear end is the last of your worries. I think they’re pretty good looking. Mine is lowered 15mm, underbody brace, M Performance spoiler and side skirts, M style mirror covers and a Reiger diffuser.
I was thinking that an OG M2 workday be my next move, but they’re expensive at the moment and suddenly an AUC M4 looks a lot more tempting and better value.
Yeah I understand that, I just thought maybe BMW would've added slightly more influence from the M division when it comes to the chassis. You're right it's not as bad as the internet makes out, but it's nowhere near as good as you'd imagine or want it to be. They are good looking yes, having owned two F21s in the past, (preLCI) I can definitely say the LCI models are lovely.
I do agree on the prices of the M2, they have shot up over the past 3/4 months due to dealers needing stock however the M4s are a good 3/4000 lower than the M2 which is something to take into consideration too.
Just The Driven I don’t really think here was much influence from the M division. They just shoehorned in a six pot and stuck on see chunky brakes. I wasn’t really a fan of the pre-LCI, but the LCI is a good looking car. I much preferred it to the other usual suspects such as the Golf R.
I think I’d want an OG M2 because they sound so much better then the Comp. Plus they’re about £10k cheaper which leaves plenty of cash to pop I some M4 seats to jazz up the interior. My 140 is stock power wise so I wouldn’t be concerned about that. The noise and looks would be for me because that’s the two areas that my 140 lacks for me. The M4 attracts me because they’re good value now bit I struggle with the S55 (it sounds awful) and I think the M3 is much better looking but there’s a lot less of them for sale. Although saying all of that, I’m trying to commit to Orpington my 140 for another two years.
@@samcourt6228 Yeah good point there. Shame as the engine is an absolute masterpiece! Such a good lump. The Golf R & LCI in stock form are fairly similar looks wise, understated, subtle. My money would be going towards the OG, similar reasons although I'm not too fussed about the seats at this point. I did have a look at the M3/M4, but as you say the market seems flooded with M4s but much less M3s out there.
It won't be an immediate switchover for me I'll likely have this car for another 12 months max before I start looking, unless I unearth a pot of gold and/or M140i values rise that is. Thanks for the input again 👍
I got a 140i recently and it’s a great wee mod project for the money. For me it’s a perfect daily driver, recently got 40mpg+ on a long run and it goes like stink when you need to overtake without shouting about it. I do agree that it would scare the crap out of me if I was full on round the twisty’s but I haven’t bought it to do that. Good honest review and I like your wheels!
Glad you're enjoying it, yes I agree it's a great car for a few mods and the like! Hopefully you continue loving it! Thank you, appreciate the comment 👍
i agree 100% on the floaty feeling. hard to explain. very tempted by a b12 kit. but where does the spending end
Glad you do, it's really hard to explain, it just doesn't feel planted, I feel more comfortable pushing on in something like a VW Up... & Exactly yes, by the time you're done making this a better handling car, the money is better spent towards something that's made that way I think..
Now on my third 140i in 3.5 years and I’ve test driven the N55 M2 and a used M4 because I expected them to be better than the 140. Yes, they are better but the difference is nothing massive enough for normal and fast road use over the 140.
When you sit in the M2, it’s like sitting in the 140 as well, pretty similar cabins. Great video and nicely put, I relate to what your saying as I thought the M2 would be the logical step up but I was definitely underwhelmed by it.
Thanks for the comment 👍 really appreciate it. Do you use your car quite often as a daily? I think if I were to be doing upwards of 12/15k per year I likely wouldn't be thinking what I am, whereas I only do maybe 4/5k a year max & whenever I drive the car it's usually to go out and enjoy it.
That being said, I'm not saying I don't enjoy the M140 as I really do.
Just The Driven
Probably do about 8k a year and I have a manual E46 M3 for special occasions.
The N55 M2 is no quicker than a stock 140 and if you went with the early version M2, you’ll always wish you had the later M2 Comp but that’s a big jump in price again.
I’d say test drive the M2 but don’t expect it to blow you away after owning the 140. 👍
Thanks again for the comments, will take them on board.
brian jackson the M2 Comp helps it a bit by getting the M4 seats, but they’re a big premium over the OG. The M4/3 is quite a step up and earn used M4’s are looking good value.
The M2 comp does have lovely seats... Not justified in the price for me though
My spec pretty similar to yours, I miss power fold mirrors, front parking sensors not bothered about HK or sunroof .
The mirrors weren't too much of a concern for me, same with the sunroof however I would've liked the bigger nav, HK and cruise control 🤣
@@JustTheDriven omg mines got cruise control but never use, I like the loud pedal
@@adebrade172 To be fair it does have a speed limiter, which I use as the cruise if I need to, don't often do long motorway journeys though so it's no biggy for me
You should've bought my M2, Josh! Without doubt the best car I have driven/owned - people 'in the know' used to nod with appreciation when driving past. Shame it was nicked and now i drive something which is as unique as a grey cloud! Keep up the good work!
Thanks David, it's funny you say that, the M2 I passed on previously, the owner said the exact same thing! Even going to the shops or to the gym, people would stand and chat about it.
The M140i is a great drivers car that will still test the mettle of any driver when pushed to its limits. I don't think BMW the built a car to compete against hot hatches such as the civic but produced a rear wheel driven sports car that would be fun to drive and an awesome straight line speed. I've had my 140 for 2 1/2 years and is my daily driver. I accept its limitation and I just love getting behind the wheel and becoming the best driver I can with a car that's a bit of a wild card 😍
A very balanced video. And in my opinion, you're right i think you'd regret spending the extra just to buy a slightly faster version of the same car.
Perhaps the M2 might feel slightly more stable but to be honest a diff will sort that on your M140i. As much as it can be stored on a bmw.
Having said all of that, I've never owned either of the above and I'm not a bmw fan. Wish you all the best either way
Thanks David 👍 yeah there's some thoughts to be had around whether the switch up is worth it. There's also considerations around the residual values too, the M2s have held their money very very well comparatively, however you'd expect that. We'll see what happens!
@@JustTheDriven they were more to begin with and to be fair an M2 comp is close to 60k. Dont think they're value for cash especially when a slightly tuned R will keep with it 😜
I knew you'd say that 👀 - it's not about the straight line speed for me as the M140i as it stands now is quicker than a M2 and M2C, OG M2 prices have been rising lately, so will have to keep an eye on them
@@JustTheDriven best wishes bud stay safe
N55 is awesome but the b58 is in a different league, I’ve had a 2014 m135i and 2016 M2 now own a m140.
How have you found the differences?
I think as the interiors are similar,and 90% of the time your not driving on 2 wheels and just keeping within the speed limits they will seem to similar.save the cash l say.
Understood. But for the times when I want to go out driving on a B-road (most of my mileage), or go on the track, the M2 would be worth the change no?
@@JustTheDriven l guess if the 10k is not such a big deal to blow then you only live once....sounds like you need to get it out of your system.
I think so, but saying that there's also thoughts around the values on 4/5/10 years time, the M140i seems to be stabilising a little bit albeit lower than I and others wanted it to be, and the M2 has kept its price pretty well, more so than the M4/M3 etc. We'll see what happens .. thanks for the input 👍
The M2 looks and feels special. The m140 doesn't. Worth 10k just for the sense of occasion everytime you start it up. I moved from a new m135 to a 3 month old og M2, kept it nearly 3 years. Got a golf r now and boy is it dull.
Indeed it does, the 140 looks like any other 1 series until you do a few bits to them! You like the M2? I know how you feel with the Golf R! Had one myself
@@JustTheDriven The M2 was a hoot, one of these cars you always looked back at, sounds fantastic and inspires confidence like the mlites can only dream of. Unfortunately I only drove to work and back in it, less than 10k miles in nearly 3 years. Always used the wife's car at weekends. Didn't like leaving it in car parks. I had a manual and found it a bind, it's true what they say about bmw manuals, I had 2(e90 and an e92) that suffered from dmf problems, clutch judder, before I bought the m135 new in 2014 and that's what made me choose auto on the m135, said I'd never buy another BMW manual, kept that 3 years then i came across the M2, it's made for a manual, just not a bmw manual.
Hang on, you had the chance to have a full M2.....a full M car yet went M-lite instead.
If I could afford the running cost and the purchase price of an M2 why would I buy a m140i....im just a little confused as to your thinking
Timing wasn't exactly right, insurance was coming back at £2000+ for the year, plenty reasons why I didn't go that route, that particular car I had a chance as was much cheaper than most on the market (which were way out of my price range at the time of purchase), however it took a long time to get the M2 sorted.
It wasn't great timing in essence, by the time the M2 was ready to be sold (even then the owner wasn't 100% sure what he was doing with it) I'd already picked up this car and had it maybe a week or something.
Absolute animals these cars..... In a straight line. Soon gets boring
That's what I think really, the B58 engine is an engineering masterpiece, but as for the rest of the car, it's not that focused... Yes you can add X Y & Z to make it stiffer and whatnot. I do agree though, absolute monsters on the move!
Hi mate, I’ve had the pleasure on track in both..... I took an m140i owner out in my M2.... and he was amazed and I couldn’t understand why.... he took me in his stock m140i and I thought I was going to die..... on the limit, you describe it perfectly, it felt floaty like I wasn’t sure what it was going to do next.... however.... the m140i is an amazing thing..... it’s not an m car though and anyone who thinks it’s remotely close in terms of feel and handling will get a shock on track..... the b58 is a far superior engine to the n55 (apart from the sound in m2 trim).... I’ve had my m2 lci for nearly 3 years and 19k miles and am still very happy with it. It’s a keeper.
That's what I like to hear... I haven't driven an OG M2 for any decent amount of time, but I can understand what the feeling is like compared to the M140i - I drove an M2C before and it just feels like much more of an occasion, not to say the M140i isn't, but even at normal speeds the M2C felt a lot more direct. Glad you agree with the floaty feel, it's a very odd sensation to be honest and not one I expected from a "top of the range" 1 series. Thanks for the comment!
@@maxfrederick7703 The 140 is a trim level, with a big engine!, folk jump in them believing they are proper m cars 😂
david appleyard exactly..... they can be made pretty special, but you have to throw plenty of £s there way and not at more power because if anything the chassis has too much of it already.
Warm hatch! i30N hot hatch? Sorry, wrong
That's correct... The M140i is a hot hatch in a straight line
Worst m140 I’ve ever seen 😂
Great
@@JustTheDriven haha you’re so butthurt, you like my comment hours ago now reply. We have all bought a shit specced bmw in our lives you learn as you go on.
Butthurt is the wrong response 🤣 I knew the spec of the M140i when I'd bought it, and it was cheap enough to justify the low spec, considering the best thing about them is the engine!