I’m a first time watcher of your videos. I have watched hundreds of crushing videos. But, watching just one of yours about buying a boat, I’ve learned more then all of the others combined. Your video just popped up and I’m very glad it did! Thank you so much!
Got a club boat C&C 34 at a well-negotiated value that will meet our needs for several years. My sailing started in 1958 but needed your educational series under $50K, built after 2000, a shorted OAL... Now that I know,I have to figure out how it applies to us. Many thanks for the series. You have a new subscriber.
Dear sir, i agree with a lot youre saying...... but not all off course. I ve worked on sailboats all my life shipright at Contest yachts and hr yachts, and yachtservice etc. I ve seen a lot of good and bad sailboats. I love all boats but my opinion is the older models are not as big but they are defenetly build stronger as the most production boats these days. I think the new fast and light sailers are fantastic fun but there is a big difference in crossing a (1) ocean or Sailing full time on big bleu. Maybe a good tip too give youre viewers please do a serious rig hull and keel check. Best regards Machiel
Sailing school close to me had a Hunter 27 , I have rented it and sailed the !@#$%& out of it .The boat seemed to love it, it took all I had. Running backstays are one more thing to adjust / and tweak .
Just need the boat mkt to relax, lol. Used Cars 2. Supply and demand. They aren't building nearly as many of either and demand is through the roof you tell me where it's going. Thanks ! plenty of helpful information here.
I currently have a 32ft Marinette that my wife and I love. I'm going to retire in about 7 years and want to buy a live aboard sailboat. I want to spend around $40k and I hadn't given much thought about the water line vs the deck length. Of course I want to get as much bang for my buck and this channel is the most educational one I've come across.
My opinion on pricing. Car loan defaults are increasing and the average LTV has increased a lot. Banks are tightening up and will continue to tighten up. I think the boat market will behave similar with prices normalizing as the cheap money dries up. Just my opinion as a arm chair sailor.
Do you think the boat market will come back to normal this winter or next winter? Based on what you explain about the banks tightening up and car loans going up do the boat industry adapt to those market too? 40% up is really high is a lot of money if the boat market drops back to normal.
With Biden Inflation running in the double digits, prices on used boats probably WON'T go down - the cost of new boats will rise dramatically, making used boats look better than they really should. Just like the new/used car market, where used car prices shot up 40% during the past year.
Thanks for posting this informative video. I missed my calling in life to sail the world and now I am older and disabled so sailing may not be in my future. I am learning so much from UA-cam and excellent videos like yours and I hope one day to travel via sailboat. God willing, I will somehow be able to afford a boat and live my dream. I am particularly impressed with the Jenneau Sun Odyssey 349. What a perfect little boat. If money were not an object, the Aluminum vessels would be ideal. I really like the Garcia/Allures explorers. They are beautiful! Again, thank you for the videos. They are terrific!
I, have a STERN sailboat, now. 4.70 mtr. 16 feet! I have a licentie to 20 meter, ore 60 feet, and Speedboten, tot 15 meter, ore 45 feet. Greetings from Spakenburg The Netherlands .
People who talk shit about Beneteaus should look up that sailing channel with that gorgeous young couple who bought a Beneteau that had run aground. The cabin sole had heaved up, the grid work was completely buckled, but they bought it for pennies on the dollar, fixed it themselves pretty quickly with almost no experience repairing sailboats, and are currently sailing it back and forth across the Atlantic and all over the Caribbean, making gorgeous content. I can’t remember their channel name, but they’re sweet and ridiculously fit. Also, the originial LaVagagabond boat was a Beneteau, and I don’t think anyone can say that Riley and Alaina didn’t sail the shit out of that boat. They sure did!
Hello sir, I love the info you gave here. I am a first time boat buyer, I am doing my home work at the moment, Notice this was a year ago any new info?
I wish you would address the difference in sailing characteristics associated with deck length to waterline. You make many valid points concerning cost of maintenance, slip fees etc. However, to some, particularly those planning on crossing oceans, comfort at sea and how a boat reacts to heavy seas is a primary concern.
When it comes to volume per feet pilothouse heavy displacement yachts and motorsailers are the monohull queens imo but their sailing quality varies extremly between brands. Do you have any expirience with them?
Fin keel and rudder are not recommended for océan going. Also, the surveyor will tell you that the bulkheads are not bonded to the hull, which means that the boat flexes so much, shortly, nothing closes, doors are off kilter, and the rigging just starts pulling the deck off, as the mast is just sitting there. But hey, it's your life so knock yourself out.
I have yet to spend more than $502.50 to buy a sailboat. I wait until the late autumn and look on eBay. I find a sailboat being auctioned off within 3 hours of my home that is already on the hard, where I don’t see water damage inside the cabin. When I see signs of good seamanship, I wait until the last 20 seconds of the auction, and bid what I’m actually willing to spend…normally $300, plus whatever document or handling fee the selling “charity” wants to tack on. If nobody else has bid, I’m reasonably confident that I can get it home. Things I look for: a trailer, an outboard, spare sails. These are things I can sell for more than the price I’m paying for the boat.
yeah, my view is prices are somewhat low. Oft ppl want them 10-15 yrs then unload them and this puts too many boats on the market. depends on size--- if the boat is just a bit too small oft weak price.
I'm wondering if sailing up north in the summer and then sailing down for the winter would be feasible. I couldn't understand wanting to be in the Caribbean in the summer.
A balsa core deck is a very good thing and that’s how boats are made today. The small blocks of balsa are isolated from each other with resin in between. That means that any leaks effect only a very small area of the deck! There may, however be very old boats from the 60’s that have sheets of balsa or plywood core decks that can become soggy.
You mentioned somewhere in this 3 hour video that sometimes people add things to a boat that actually decrease the value. What are some examples of this that you have seen. I'm a couch sailor so I'm not actually in the market but I find yachting interesting (maybe it's because I live in AZ, not much water around here)...
Really good info. I have learned so much from you already. One question Doesnt a 36 ft boat help getting over the second wave as apposed to a 30 ft when close hauling into the wind? Thanks
Wow I’ve never sailed before and knew there was a lot to buying a sailboat but not this much! All I’ve watched the last 2-3 years is sailing Vlogs on UA-cam and would love to do this. So I’m thinking of selling my house and buy a boat and sail with my dog. I would like to sail the Caribbean the first 2 years while learning. Then I would love to sail to Thailand and that area. If you had a budget of $100K with cash put away for repairs when needed which boat would you buy? Something that I’m able to sail alone if I don’t have anyone with me. Thanks for any help. I just followed you and love your Vlog and will be watching more.
If it was me personally, I'd try to get the oceanis 35 or the jeanneau 349, have to wait for a good deal but they can sometimes be snagged in that price range , easy to solo, plenty of room and won't kill the bank with running costs
@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 no worries, there are some other less expensive ones of you can find them, the cycledes 39.3 , those are all dual helm , I find a dual helm a must but if you are okay with a single helm there are endless possibilities
Finally! So refreshing to hear someone not recommending people buy someone else’s heavily used 50-year-old “true blue water” boat sails like a pig and can withstand a direct nuclear missile strike while also looking like a hobo has been living in it for half of its life. I get that many people just apparently have endless time and access to equipment and repair facilities and can just fix it all up themselves, but some of us would rather get something that doesn’t scare the wives away and can provide trouble-free experiences for at least a few years.
I like your statement "If you go to any marina in the world today, you are almost guaranteed to see some Hunter sailboats." And, I would add, they didn't get there by air freight or packed in a shipping container, they sailed across the ocean as they were designed to.
In searching for a boat.. there are certain creature comforts I'd want as a need. Most of the time my ventures would be toward the warm climates which I assume most do too.. so.. I would definitely like some A/C to cool me down when Im at anchor which puts me in a weird position with fuel & electricity. So I may have to spend a bit more to get that. While I want a vessel that can cross oceans, my main purpose of crossing the ocean would be to get to an area I can cruise around the coast or island hop.
Looking to buy my first sailboat and live aboard. Have my eyes on the hunter 290 and 340. From handling and operating cost perspectives, will their be a huge difference?
Nexyr when I'm ready to sail the Caribbean I'll request you to help me buy a 35ft boat for around 30 35 grand I'm a beginner so you're advice is a blessing
I'm so impressed with your video. Very informative! I'll be following you and you'll definitely be hearing free me. I've learned a lot from today's video and I'm sure more to follow. Happy sailing!! Regards, Myk
Is a there a benefit of using the site you're using to find these boats, in terms of the state of the vessel? Are they required to have CG inspection or some other security as to the boats serviceability?
? I just use yacht world for youtube videos, that way everyone can go and look themselves. When purchasing a used sailboat there are certain things the buyer should always do , a survey is the most important.
@@ChasingLatitudes ok, thanks. I assumed as much. I know idk what I'm talking about, that's why I asked, and I appreciate the response. Sailing has been a long time dream of mine and I find myself in a position where I can almost start pursuing it. I'll be looking through your videos over the next few days as I try to narrow in on "where to start", and as always, I hope I learn something. Cheers.
@@Mike-bs5pi no worries ask away 😉, its fairly simple to get started, I suggest the asa sailing courses 101 through 104, that will give you a good foundation to start building from, you will be able to actually sail a bit when completed 😀 then as you determine what you want the boat search begins , narrow it down, choose what works best for your goals and go from there. Its not nearly as daunting as some would lead you to believe, you are more than welcome to join patreon for 10.00 per month and head on over the the members area, hundreds of people just like you ober there trying to get started and decide what to do first. Great place for information
do a video about CC boats and then do a DS boat review alos, there are so many people interested in them. also trimarans ! best trailerable trimarans and stuff :D gogogo!
Great vid, thanks for your honest common sense thoughts.. I was just accepted on my offer for an immaculate inside & out 1986 Hunter 34... New, new, new every where, so clean for 26k... I agree with your mentality on the 2000 year, etc, but I just couldn't pass this up. I'm only doing coastal sailing, & the price point was a "now" thing as opposed to saving up sort of thing.. Thanks again, I'll buy you a cup of coffee ;-)
Why do you tend to disparage brokers at the same time using their work product, listings & photos on Yacht World for your channel? In my opinion, beam is the most important dimension for space & volume. Older designs had long overhangs because the racing rules measured waterline length at rest, then when the boat was sailing and healed over the waterline length increased providing more speed. I agree modern designs tend to be faster & offer better accommodations & space for similar a length overall.
I plan on doing it the hard way. Cutting the trees and drying them to build a boat. All kinds of cheap boats around the great lakes, butt.... I do see a lot of hunters around.
That drop in grid presents issues with the bonding. They lay the grid down onto a bonding agent that hardens up. There is no tabbing. When you ground the keel the bonding agent gives out. That means you have to strip the entire main cabin and whatever get the grid back onto it's shattered bonding correctly then tab it into the hull. The problem is not the grid, or the hull it is the bonding compound that is used. I am sure this will get ironed out if it has not already been addressed. Ideal draft to me max is 5' for the Atlantic's west coast below the Chesapeake. Center boards can be very valuable. Scheel keel looks good to me. Yeah a few PHRF points off but man,,,to me,,,,the ability to sneak in closer to the shore before tossing the hook out weighs whatever issues a Scheel keel might present in open blue water. Let's get right down to it here. You have NOT presented a single vessel with a skeg hung rudder. You have not even presented a vessel with a protected prop. Even the Tartan 34c had a well protected prop but the 33 and even the 30 had better PHRF. So this is getting interesting but I do most appreciate being brought into the world of modern day production cruising products. Coastal cruising wears very thin. The tides and the river currents from the port you want to go into and the thermal land to sea air currents and vs vs and all the traffic typical on shelf traffic the peace and happiness never goes down over the shelf. I give it two days off N. America before I get comfortable.
So here is your comment. The link to your spreadsheet was missing, so I purchased a copy from you. At $5 it is a bargain. Thank you. Cannot say that I would agree with you on some of your ratings. There are a lot of additional data/information that should go into someone's decision, like say: capsize ratio's, comfort ratio, and more. The old/new decision is extremely complex and involves many factors. I do agree with you 100% that a boat has to work for the owner, and no one else. Keep up the videos. Thank you for your video. You covered a ton of ground.
I too was looking for the "Spread Sheet" to have a look. Recently purchased a 1968 Cutter rigged Hughes 38. Found your website and signed up for the newsletter. Thanks
@@michaelphilip9378 docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JG8YCNtKiEFMgDsAeLS_5lr_dywfzemE/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=114402763148404296462&rtpof=true&sd=true dont forget to make a copy, you wont be able to edit until you make a copy and save it
10 boat year old = 100 human year old. If the current owner have a clean log, money, time and will to work hard for the boat then it could be a good buy. Don't forget your Mag Glass!
I’m certainly no expert, but I think the idea with the bolt on keel isn’t that it’s just going to spontaneously “fall off”, it’s that if you truly plan on crossing oceans at some point the chances are you WILL hit something, or have some kind of mishap, and when that happens it could be catastrophic ☠️.
Over in Europe people just roll their full keel boats onto the shore to scrub the bottom. Very common. Get a Pac Seacraft. They eat rocky shores for lunch. Kinda pricey..... Get a Vega. Really tough little chlorox bottles.
@@abcgang8048 Heh heh.... Sam who? Also in Europe people stand their full keels against a sea wall or a dock and wait for low tide for a good look-see, scrape and scrub. Sounds to me like you got a dirty bottom that needs tending to.
New to all of this. Im currently learning about sailing and the realities of owning, maintencing and SAILING a boat. My question is about overall length vs length at the water line. In this video, this ratio is referenced quite a bit. So, in reference to this ratio, i have a few thoughts and questions. 1. Is this ratio a bias towards live aboard comfort vs sailabilty 2. If a boat has a long overall length vs water line length, does this have an effect on "hull speed" 3. We all know that there are no perfect boats, only comprimises. That being said, are things like "up wind" performance being taken into consideration. Once again, im just getting my feet wet in this world and budgeting my money, so im simply asking questions, and defentily not talking s@it. Any info would be great. Great video
The overhanging footage on the forward end of the boat, and on the rear end of the boat, is the result of RACING Rules for sailboats! The WATERLINE measurement, when the boat is stationary in calm water is what the sailboat racing rulebook focuses on. When healed over, the boats with overhanging area INCREASE their WATERLINE Measurement, and THAT INCREASE causes the boat to be able to GAIN SPEED!!! The sailboat racing rulebook does NOT penalize the boat 's overhanging footage! The overhanging footage is a way to "beat" the rulebook so-to-speak. So, if you're NOT racing, overhanging footage is essentially WASTE, as it provides just. a small percentage of true extra space within the boat, as compared to boats that have PLUMB bows and sterns.
Uhh, my dream is a Tiki 38' in the great lakes! Then disassembly, put it in the barn for the winter check ,repair then put er back in the water! Truck it to the Chesapeake and gird yer loins and head to Bermuda then the Caribbean!! Pipe dream but that's where thing start!
40$ a night more for 2 feet? That means that a 35 foot would cost 700$ a night? Or 21000$ a month? Or is it 40$ a month more, that means 700$ a month. Here it is 12.25$ per foot per month on a year basis…
I'm not sure what you are referring to, when you go from 39 to 41 feet you bump up to whats considered mlst places a premium slip often costing 40.00 more per night or more. Montly slips are not charged a night rate as they are monthly but again going from a 30 to a 41 slip will cost you several hundred more a month and in numerous places over 1k more a month, yes just for two feet more. Slips are charged one of several ways, monthly, nightly, transient, short term, seasonal, yearly, and so on and it depends heavily where you are located. In key west expect to pay 1500 or month per month for a 42 footer,
@@roelandthomas6269 yes thats referring to a nightly cost when going from 38 to something like 42 , 10.00 per night per foot, 38 to 42 add 40.00 a night, its nightly rates, always by the foot, same with monthly
Yes thats per night here in the Caribbean, there are numerous places that are 400 plus per night for a 40 foot slip, again, night slip fees for short term in tourist destinations are incredibly expensive
If you're a Lake sailor as I am Hunter has offered me the biggest Bang for the buck... Modern lines, lots of room, well equipped... Also Lake sailors and coastal cruisers will benefit from Catalina... Most are going to hold their value well.
A lot of people with boats don't actually sail them, they hang out and just enjoy living on the water is all, totally okay but just something to keep in mind for cost based on length
@@ChasingLatitudes Also, some people are all too aware that if it's Friday night then you can't scoot off and be sure to return Sunday afternoon to get ready for a week's work. That's a horrible quirk of fate to upset people like that!! Still, like you say, it is better to be that close to it than stuck in a dull house vacuuming the bedrooms and cutting the grass etc. Who needs that? It will grow/get dirty again by next week, so why should you do it all over again?
@@abcgang8048 I see. I'd like at least 50' + , and I'd think it would be mandatory to have one on that size of water-craft, maybe not, but it would take the hassle out of a lot of things.
Why a Hunter though when most boats are better built. And quite a few sailors who own Hunters without backstays say that they wouldn't even take them across Lake Ontario. Even very experienced boat brokers have warned us about Hunters. On the plus side they are very roomy marina queens good for light sailing on lake that isn't too bumpy.
I'd just say thats simply false to the brokers, your friends and anyone else who says such silliness , fly to any marina in the world and you will see hunters, they cross oceans all the time. Boat brokers are a joke as a whole so anything they say holds no water for me. I'm not saying they are fantastic vessels, they are how ever a great bang for the buck and more than capable. People say the same about beneteau and yet more beneteaus cross oceans than any other vessel in the world, all while people call them dock queens
If you have the money for it. Besides any boat can be refitted for a dream life. At any size. So lower your ego. Bigger boats means bigger maintenance and bigger hole in the pocket. And bigger boats takes 3 or more times longer to maintain. The rewards are rare. If you can’t cope with such fact, then sail life ain’t for you, unless your a multi millionaire and let others do your work. As a sailboat owner, you have to be everything. engineer, electrician, plummer, carpenter, it specialist, nurse and doctor. Mechanical skill, and know how to repair sails and most things on a sailboat. Money talks.
@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 it’s a learning curve. Either someone teach, such as a friend, boatbuddy, boat neighbour, research on goggle, UA-cam channel. I knew nothing about boats and boat life 4 years ago. Yet alone I learned everything from own practice, UA-cam and heck of a lot of research. That after I wasted 15 years in front of world of Warcraft game.until I realized that games gives me nothing in return. So started to watch UA-cam channels about sailing.. thanks to sailing zatara recommendation. As my second boat, money is always a spending cut on boats even on a budget, but i don’t give up. And always try to find cheaper alternatives than brand new products. And it’s also rewarding on a personal level. Some of the great channels are Sailing Uma, sailing sophisticated lady, SV Delos, calico skies, rigging doctor, sailing Aquarius. Sailing zatara, bums on a boat, Sailing GBU, sailing Ran , and many more. Start binge watch from scratch. You learn a lot on the way. That includes engine repairs, electronics, electric, boat maintenance, finances, sailing techs, handling seasickness and illnesses on crew, what to do and what not. But first, could you handle a boat on the open water, by you self, not everyone can because of internal fears and fobia. Because you have to rely on your own selfs skills without help and assistance. Such experiences makes you grow to be more independent than rely on other. Sure it’s time consuming. But it’s not too late to jump in. I would rather say. Buy a smaller boat first to get the practice and experience of having a boat, to get the feel for it. I own a Maxi 68 that i preliminary plan to set sail in October this year. (2022). By going south and shoot a vlogg on the way. It might be small. But it can handle the Atlantic well. Hope this gives you some fresh meat to learn something new. Without paying for it. :)
@@svbettybelle thanks for all the great information and experiences!! I figured if I do it then it will be sink or swim! I watch most of the shows you named and seeing how often they have problems and have to repair them is what worries me and made me second guess.
@ABC gang this one was built once. Everything is original. I can understand your concern too. I definitely see room for improvement. Everything works, ( all navigation systems have been removed, except the ham/ssb/pakrratt). Re-wiring has already begun on the mast, nav-lights,courtesy lighting, and accent lights. Just looking for ways to integrate all this, and modernize it a bit. Have quite a bit of “Digital Yacht” stuff ( a little more open structure)
I’m a first time watcher of your videos. I have watched hundreds of crushing videos. But, watching just one of yours about buying a boat, I’ve learned more then all of the others combined. Your video just popped up and I’m very glad it did! Thank you so much!
Ahh, thanks Kevin, I appreciate it very much
Fantastic insights in a brutally brief format! Perfect ! You seem to show boats the UA-camrs shy away from but are so attractive! Thanks!
I owned 2 Hunters Legend 40 and Legend 47, both excellent boats, had little to no problems and sailed the hell out of them
Wow, thanks, that put every review at the same time, great way to compare and analyze exactly what you need, great job.
Youbare welcome, i figured it might be easier for some people to just put it on and hit play vs having to swap between 30 videos
Good points in the video to keep in mind when negotiating sale price.
Got a club boat C&C 34 at a well-negotiated value that will meet our needs for several years. My sailing started in 1958 but needed your educational series under $50K, built after 2000, a shorted OAL... Now that I know,I have to figure out how it applies to us. Many thanks for the series. You have a new subscriber.
You present a lot of information in a condensed format. Good job!
Love these boat reviews. Thanks Chris for your work in posting all this information.
Dear sir, i agree with a lot youre saying...... but not all off course.
I ve worked on sailboats all my life shipright at Contest yachts and hr yachts, and yachtservice etc.
I ve seen a lot of good and bad sailboats.
I love all boats but my opinion is the older models are not as big but they are defenetly build stronger as the most production boats these days.
I think the new fast and light sailers are fantastic fun but there is a big difference in crossing a (1) ocean or Sailing full time on big bleu.
Maybe a good tip too give youre viewers please do a serious rig hull and keel check.
Best regards Machiel
So fun re-watching your early videos to see what you guys have accomplished, so inspiring 🙌
Really helpful video & loaded with useful info for this dreamer! I will have to watch it again. Thank you!
Sailing school close to me had a Hunter 27 , I have rented it and sailed the !@#$%& out of it .The boat seemed to love it, it took all I had. Running backstays are one more thing to adjust / and tweak .
Just need the boat mkt to relax, lol. Used Cars 2.
Supply and demand. They aren't building nearly as many of either and demand is through the roof you tell me where it's going. Thanks ! plenty of helpful information here.
Since any real cruise follows the trade winds, going down wind a back stay is important and needed
I am enjoying your content and think you have a great insight for aspiring sailors.
This guy is great. Glad I found it.
Thanks Gilberto
I currently have a 32ft Marinette that my wife and I love. I'm going to retire in about 7 years and want to buy a live aboard sailboat. I want to spend around $40k and I hadn't given much thought about the water line vs the deck length. Of course I want to get as much bang for my buck and this channel is the most educational one I've come across.
Ahh thanks homer
My opinion on pricing. Car loan defaults are increasing and the average LTV has increased a lot. Banks are tightening up and will continue to tighten up. I think the boat market will behave similar with prices normalizing as the cheap money dries up.
Just my opinion as a arm chair sailor.
I agree
Do you think the boat market will come back to normal this winter or next winter?
Based on what you explain about the banks tightening up and car loans going up do the boat industry adapt to those market too?
40% up is really high is a lot of money if the boat market drops back to normal.
With Biden Inflation running in the double digits, prices on used boats probably WON'T go down - the cost of new boats will rise dramatically, making used boats look better than they really should. Just like the new/used car market, where used car prices shot up 40% during the past year.
Watching old videos now thanks Chris
Thanks for posting this informative video. I missed my calling in life to sail the world and now I am older and disabled so sailing may not be in my future. I am learning so much from UA-cam and excellent videos like yours and I hope one day to travel via sailboat. God willing, I will somehow be able to afford a boat and live my dream. I am particularly impressed with the Jenneau Sun Odyssey 349. What a perfect little boat. If money were not an object, the Aluminum vessels would be ideal. I really like the Garcia/Allures explorers. They are beautiful! Again, thank you for the videos. They are terrific!
I, have a STERN sailboat, now. 4.70 mtr. 16 feet!
I have a licentie to 20 meter, ore 60 feet, and Speedboten, tot 15 meter, ore 45 feet.
Greetings from Spakenburg
The Netherlands .
Thank you for all the hard work you put into this video I have learned so much and I am only half way through 😁👍
Thanks max, glad you like it
People who talk shit about Beneteaus should look up that sailing channel with that gorgeous young couple who bought a Beneteau that had run aground. The cabin sole had heaved up, the grid work was completely buckled, but they bought it for pennies on the dollar, fixed it themselves pretty quickly with almost no experience repairing sailboats, and are currently sailing it back and forth across the Atlantic and all over the Caribbean, making gorgeous content. I can’t remember their channel name, but they’re sweet and ridiculously fit.
Also, the originial LaVagagabond boat was a Beneteau, and I don’t think anyone can say that Riley and Alaina didn’t sail the shit out of that boat. They sure did!
the Evans, i think. newbies. the sheer amount of labor they did may suggest there were many more than 100 pennies in their dollars.
Hello sir, I love the info you gave here. I am a first time boat buyer, I am doing my home work at the moment, Notice this was a year ago any new info?
I like your honesty and bluntness
Enjoy your videos always very informative. Thank you Sir.
I wish you would address the difference in sailing characteristics associated with deck length to waterline. You make many valid points concerning cost of maintenance, slip fees etc. However, to some, particularly those planning on crossing oceans, comfort at sea and how a boat reacts to heavy seas is a primary concern.
I love your videos. straight to the point. thanks.
Gives me great info for comparing boats. Helps make the dream come true.
When it comes to volume per feet pilothouse heavy displacement yachts and motorsailers are the monohull queens imo but their sailing quality varies extremly between brands. Do you have any expirience with them?
Fin keel and rudder are not recommended for océan going. Also, the surveyor will tell you that the bulkheads are not bonded to the hull, which means that the boat flexes so much, shortly, nothing closes, doors are off kilter, and the rigging just starts pulling the deck off, as the mast is just sitting there. But hey, it's your life so knock yourself out.
This has been a great eye-opener, thanks heaps 😀
I like your honest opinion. A lot to take into consideration.
I have yet to spend more than $502.50 to buy a sailboat. I wait until the late autumn and look on eBay. I find a sailboat being auctioned off within 3 hours of my home that is already on the hard, where I don’t see water damage inside the cabin. When I see signs of good seamanship, I wait until the last 20 seconds of the auction, and bid what I’m actually willing to spend…normally $300, plus whatever document or handling fee the selling “charity” wants to tack on. If nobody else has bid, I’m reasonably confident that I can get it home. Things I look for: a trailer, an outboard, spare sails.
These are things I can sell for more than the price I’m paying for the boat.
yeah, my view is prices are somewhat low. Oft ppl want them 10-15 yrs then unload them and this puts too many boats on the market. depends on size--- if the boat is just a bit too small oft weak price.
That Dufour 410 will be my choice as soon as my house has been sold, absolutely 😊
Just dropped in after a few months MIA. The new format is FAR better than the old one.
What's the old one? This video or?
I find this a great sailor's channel. I'm looking for a cheap, pretty dock queen...
Ketch 40 footer plus, what do these boats have in electronics equipment and electrical equipment, fridge freezers fresh water makers, nav aids, etc
Depends on the specific boat
I'm wondering if sailing up north in the summer and then sailing down for the winter would be feasible. I couldn't understand wanting to be in the Caribbean in the summer.
For sure
I love the Bavaria 55 and the Beneto 57
A balsa core deck is a very good thing and that’s how boats are made today. The small blocks of balsa are isolated from each other with resin in between. That means that any leaks effect only a very small area of the deck! There may, however be very old boats from the 60’s that have sheets of balsa or plywood core decks that can become soggy.
You mentioned somewhere in this 3 hour video that sometimes people add things to a boat that actually decrease the value. What are some examples of this that you have seen. I'm a couch sailor so I'm not actually in the market but I find yachting interesting (maybe it's because I live in AZ, not much water around here)...
Really good info. I have learned so much from you already. One question
Doesnt a 36 ft boat help getting over the second wave as apposed to a 30 ft when close hauling into the wind? Thanks
Please update to October 2023
Hi from the future
Yikes. Bring back 2008-2009 when you could get sailboats for free in the Long Beach harbor due to unpaid slip fees.
soon...
Very soon
Wow I’ve never sailed before and knew there was a lot to buying a sailboat but not this much! All I’ve watched the last 2-3 years is sailing Vlogs on UA-cam and would love to do this. So I’m thinking of selling my house and buy a boat and sail with my dog. I would like to sail the Caribbean the first 2 years while learning. Then I would love to sail to Thailand and that area.
If you had a budget of $100K with cash put away for repairs when needed which boat would you buy? Something that I’m able to sail alone if I don’t have anyone with me. Thanks for any help. I just followed you and love your Vlog and will be watching more.
Beneteau?
If it was me personally, I'd try to get the oceanis 35 or the jeanneau 349, have to wait for a good deal but they can sometimes be snagged in that price range , easy to solo, plenty of room and won't kill the bank with running costs
@@ChasingLatitudes thanks I’m going to check them out! I really appreciate it.
@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 no worries, there are some other less expensive ones of you can find them, the cycledes 39.3 , those are all dual helm , I find a dual helm a must but if you are okay with a single helm there are endless possibilities
Finally! So refreshing to hear someone not recommending people buy someone else’s heavily used 50-year-old “true blue water” boat sails like a pig and can withstand a direct nuclear missile strike while also looking like a hobo has been living in it for half of its life.
I get that many people just apparently have endless time and access to equipment and repair facilities and can just fix it all up themselves, but some of us would rather get something that doesn’t scare the wives away and can provide trouble-free experiences for at least a few years.
I like your statement "If you go to any marina in the world today, you are almost guaranteed to see some Hunter sailboats." And, I would add, they didn't get there by air freight or packed in a shipping container, they sailed across the ocean as they were designed to.
I think that was implied. But yes for sure.
Don't know anything about sailboats really like the hunters but that dufour 410 wow she's a beauty
In searching for a boat.. there are certain creature comforts I'd want as a need. Most of the time my ventures would be toward the warm climates which I assume most do too.. so.. I would definitely like some A/C to cool me down when Im at anchor which puts me in a weird position with fuel & electricity.
So I may have to spend a bit more to get that.
While I want a vessel that can cross oceans, my main purpose of crossing the ocean would be to get to an area I can cruise around the coast or island hop.
Great video and gives me more knowledge on buying keep me updated
More to come!
Would be really nice if you added chapters to your videos so that we can move ahead where necessary.
i spent only 6k to purchase then another 6 invested in my mac26d... and i couldnt be any happier.
Thats all that matters
Don't know anything about sailing can you tell your honest opinion and thoughts on the 2002 hunter passage 420
I just made a comment on one of your videos and too much bass.. This video, your voice is great. Easy to hear and understand.
Do you have any updates on current boat market and pricing availability?
I can do one for ya
Looking to buy my first sailboat and live aboard. Have my eyes on the hunter 290 and 340. From handling and operating cost perspectives, will their be a huge difference?
Nexyr when I'm ready to sail the Caribbean I'll request you to help me buy a 35ft boat for around 30 35 grand I'm a beginner so you're advice is a blessing
Sounds good
I have the 19M and have used it more than any other boat I’ve owned
Awesome
I'm so impressed with your video. Very informative! I'll be following you and you'll definitely be hearing free me. I've learned a lot from today's video and I'm sure more to follow. Happy sailing!!
Regards, Myk
If I know a jeanneau rudder that fell off and the keel was soon to follow will that qualify?
Perfect show, keep the good job✌️
I like my older Fiberglass sailboat, don’t have to breath the resin fumes.
Is a there a benefit of using the site you're using to find these boats, in terms of the state of the vessel? Are they required to have CG inspection or some other security as to the boats serviceability?
? I just use yacht world for youtube videos, that way everyone can go and look themselves. When purchasing a used sailboat there are certain things the buyer should always do , a survey is the most important.
@@ChasingLatitudes ok, thanks. I assumed as much. I know idk what I'm talking about, that's why I asked, and I appreciate the response. Sailing has been a long time dream of mine and I find myself in a position where I can almost start pursuing it. I'll be looking through your videos over the next few days as I try to narrow in on "where to start", and as always, I hope I learn something. Cheers.
@@Mike-bs5pi no worries ask away 😉, its fairly simple to get started, I suggest the asa sailing courses 101 through 104, that will give you a good foundation to start building from, you will be able to actually sail a bit when completed 😀 then as you determine what you want the boat search begins , narrow it down, choose what works best for your goals and go from there. Its not nearly as daunting as some would lead you to believe, you are more than welcome to join patreon for 10.00 per month and head on over the the members area, hundreds of people just like you ober there trying to get started and decide what to do first. Great place for information
@@ChasingLatitudes will do, thanks. I'll definitely look into the ASA courses.
do a video about CC boats and then do a DS boat review alos, there are so many people interested in them. also trimarans ! best trailerable trimarans and stuff :D gogogo!
I always thought that North American Boats were cheaper because of higher taxes tacked on to foreign built boats? 🤔 🙁
Great vid, thanks for your honest common sense thoughts.. I was just accepted on my offer for an immaculate inside & out 1986 Hunter 34... New, new, new every where, so clean for 26k... I agree with your mentality on the 2000 year, etc, but I just couldn't pass this up. I'm only doing coastal sailing, & the price point was a "now" thing as opposed to saving up sort of thing.. Thanks again, I'll buy you a cup of coffee ;-)
Awesome. Congrats on your new to you vessel, thats super exciting
Why do you tend to disparage brokers at the same time using their work product, listings & photos on Yacht World for your channel?
In my opinion, beam is the most important dimension for space & volume.
Older designs had long overhangs because the racing rules measured waterline length at rest, then when the boat was sailing and healed over the waterline length increased providing more speed.
I agree modern designs tend to be faster & offer better accommodations & space for similar a length overall.
Haven't crossed a bathtub... Almost laughed up a sip of whiskey! Haha nice
Haha, I make myself laugh with that one as well
BTW, you can't buy a used Beneteau 473 for under $100K these days. Most are nearly $200K.
I plan on doing it the hard way. Cutting the trees and drying them to build a boat. All kinds of cheap boats around the great lakes, butt.... I do see a lot of hunters around.
That drop in grid presents issues with the bonding. They lay the grid down onto a bonding agent that hardens up. There is no tabbing. When you ground the keel the bonding agent gives out. That means you have to strip the entire main cabin and whatever get the grid back onto it's shattered bonding correctly then tab it into the hull. The problem is not the grid, or the hull it is the bonding compound that is used. I am sure this will get ironed out if it has not already been addressed. Ideal draft to me max is 5' for the Atlantic's west coast below the Chesapeake. Center boards can be very valuable. Scheel keel looks good to me. Yeah a few PHRF points off but man,,,to me,,,,the ability to sneak in closer to the shore before tossing the hook out weighs whatever issues a Scheel keel might present in open blue water. Let's get right down to it here. You have NOT presented a single vessel with a skeg hung rudder. You have not even presented a vessel with a protected prop. Even the Tartan 34c had a well protected prop but the 33 and even the 30 had better PHRF. So this is getting interesting but I do most appreciate being brought into the world of modern day production cruising products. Coastal cruising wears very thin. The tides and the river currents from the port you want to go into and the thermal land to sea air currents and vs vs and all the traffic typical on shelf traffic the peace and happiness never goes down over the shelf. I give it two days off N. America before I get comfortable.
@ABC gang Only the ones with skeg hung rudders. A skeg hung rudder is a must have on this end.
@ABC gang Plenty of trees coming down into the harbors after storms. Plenty of logs in the ICW as well.
So here is your comment.
The link to your spreadsheet was missing, so I purchased a copy from you. At $5 it is a bargain. Thank you.
Cannot say that I would agree with you on some of your ratings. There are a lot of additional data/information that should go into someone's decision, like say: capsize ratio's, comfort ratio, and more. The old/new decision is extremely complex and involves many factors. I do agree with you 100% that a boat has to work for the owner, and no one else. Keep up the videos.
Thank you for your video. You covered a ton of ground.
Spread sheet is not for sale any where ? Wonder who you gave five bucks for
I too was looking for the "Spread Sheet" to have a look. Recently purchased a 1968 Cutter rigged Hughes 38.
Found your website and signed up for the newsletter. Thanks
@@michaelphilip9378 did I not put the spread sheet in the description ?
@@michaelphilip9378 docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JG8YCNtKiEFMgDsAeLS_5lr_dywfzemE/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=114402763148404296462&rtpof=true&sd=true dont forget to make a copy, you wont be able to edit until you make a copy and save it
@@ChasingLatitudes Thanks, I am just at the stage of seeing what needs to be done and making my planning budgets
10 boat year old = 100 human year old. If the current owner have a clean log, money, time and will to work hard for the boat then it could be a good buy. Don't forget your Mag Glass!
Have you ever seen a Ben with the chain plates pulled out of the top it is striking
Very Informative. Liked it.
Any boat in the world is an ocean crosser if u have the will and the luck to cross that ocean...
I’m certainly no expert, but I think the idea with the bolt on keel isn’t that it’s just going to spontaneously “fall off”, it’s that if you truly plan on crossing oceans at some point the chances are you WILL hit something, or have some kind of mishap, and when that happens it could be catastrophic ☠️.
Over in Europe people just roll their full keel boats onto the shore to scrub the bottom. Very common. Get a Pac Seacraft. They eat rocky shores for lunch. Kinda pricey..... Get a Vega. Really tough little chlorox bottles.
@@abcgang8048 Heh heh.... Sam who? Also in Europe people stand their full keels against a sea wall or a dock and wait for low tide for a good look-see, scrape and scrub. Sounds to me like you got a dirty bottom that needs tending to.
@@abcgang8048 If you do anything "catastrophically" you'll have problems. But thanks for the redundancy, alphabet boy.
@@abcgang8048 This is UA-cam, not National Geographic. You expect GPS coordinates for haul out locations? Do your own research.
You would do one just for me? Wow! That’s really nice of you. That would be awesome! Thank you.
New to all of this. Im currently learning about sailing and the realities of owning, maintencing and SAILING a boat.
My question is about overall length vs length at the water line.
In this video, this ratio is referenced quite a bit. So, in reference to this ratio, i have a few thoughts and questions.
1. Is this ratio a bias towards live aboard comfort vs sailabilty
2. If a boat has a long overall length vs water line length, does this have an effect on "hull speed"
3. We all know that there are no perfect boats, only comprimises. That being said, are things like "up wind" performance being taken into consideration.
Once again, im just getting my feet wet in this world and budgeting my money, so im simply asking questions, and defentily not talking s@it.
Any info would be great.
Great video
Awesome questions !
I’d like to know as well !
The overhanging footage on the forward end of the boat, and on the rear end of the boat, is the result of RACING Rules for sailboats! The WATERLINE measurement, when the boat is stationary in calm water is what the sailboat racing rulebook focuses on. When healed over, the boats with overhanging area INCREASE their WATERLINE Measurement, and THAT INCREASE causes the boat to be able to GAIN SPEED!!! The sailboat racing rulebook does NOT penalize the boat 's overhanging footage! The overhanging footage is a way to "beat" the rulebook so-to-speak. So, if you're NOT racing, overhanging footage is essentially WASTE, as it provides just. a small percentage of true extra space within the boat, as compared to boats that have PLUMB bows and sterns.
The world is full of rules, paperwork, fees, requirements. Finding and buying the boat, turns out to be the easy part.
Uhh, my dream is a Tiki 38' in the great lakes! Then disassembly, put it in the barn for the winter check ,repair then put er back in the water! Truck it to the Chesapeake and gird yer loins and head to Bermuda then the Caribbean!! Pipe dream but that's where thing start!
Yeah it sucks, but is the US there are no new sailboats being built.
Amazing information.
Very informative and fun ty
40$ a night more for 2 feet? That means that a 35 foot would cost 700$ a night? Or 21000$ a month?
Or is it 40$ a month more, that means 700$ a month. Here it is 12.25$ per foot per month on a year basis…
I'm not sure what you are referring to, when you go from 39 to 41 feet you bump up to whats considered mlst places a premium slip often costing 40.00 more per night or more. Montly slips are not charged a night rate as they are monthly but again going from a 30 to a 41 slip will cost you several hundred more a month and in numerous places over 1k more a month, yes just for two feet more. Slips are charged one of several ways, monthly, nightly, transient, short term, seasonal, yearly, and so on and it depends heavily where you are located. In key west expect to pay 1500 or month per month for a 42 footer,
at 22:13…. I am probably confused. English is not my forte.
@@roelandthomas6269 yes thats referring to a nightly cost when going from 38 to something like 42 , 10.00 per night per foot, 38 to 42 add 40.00 a night, its nightly rates, always by the foot, same with monthly
@@ChasingLatitudes 10$ per foot per night? so 40 foot x 10 = 400$ per night or per month?
Yes thats per night here in the Caribbean, there are numerous places that are 400 plus per night for a 40 foot slip, again, night slip fees for short term in tourist destinations are incredibly expensive
If you're a Lake sailor as I am Hunter has offered me the biggest Bang for the buck... Modern lines, lots of room, well equipped... Also Lake sailors and coastal cruisers will benefit from Catalina... Most are going to hold their value well.
So why would anyone stay in a marina unless the weather was really bad ?
A lot of people with boats don't actually sail them, they hang out and just enjoy living on the water is all, totally okay but just something to keep in mind for cost based on length
@@ChasingLatitudes Also, some people are all too aware that if it's Friday night then you can't scoot off and be sure to return Sunday afternoon to get ready for a week's work. That's a horrible quirk of fate to upset people like that!! Still, like you say, it is better to be that close to it than stuck in a dull house vacuuming the bedrooms and cutting the grass etc. Who needs that? It will grow/get dirty again by next week, so why should you do it all over again?
Leaving and entering the marina can be stressful, that’s probably the reason.
One day I hope to buy a sailboat and sail the world
Do any of them have a washer & dryer?
@@abcgang8048 I see. I'd like at least 50' + , and I'd think it would be mandatory to have one on that size of water-craft, maybe not, but it would take the hassle out of a lot of things.
AWESOME VIDEO
thank you. loved the video.
Why a Hunter though when most boats are better built. And quite a few sailors who own Hunters without backstays say that they wouldn't even take them across Lake Ontario. Even very experienced boat brokers have warned us about Hunters. On the plus side they are very roomy marina queens good for light sailing on lake that isn't too bumpy.
I'd just say thats simply false to the brokers, your friends and anyone else who says such silliness , fly to any marina in the world and you will see hunters, they cross oceans all the time. Boat brokers are a joke as a whole so anything they say holds no water for me. I'm not saying they are fantastic vessels, they are how ever a great bang for the buck and more than capable. People say the same about beneteau and yet more beneteaus cross oceans than any other vessel in the world, all while people call them dock queens
If you have the money for it. Besides any boat can be refitted for a dream life. At any size. So lower your ego.
Bigger boats means bigger maintenance and bigger hole in the pocket. And bigger boats takes 3 or more times longer to maintain. The rewards are rare.
If you can’t cope with such fact, then sail life ain’t for you, unless your a multi millionaire and let others do your work.
As a sailboat owner, you have to be everything. engineer, electrician, plummer, carpenter, it specialist, nurse and doctor. Mechanical skill, and know how to repair sails and most things on a sailboat.
Money talks.
This right here and what worries me is if I’ll be able to learn how to do all these things. I’ve never worked on an engine or many of these things.
@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 it’s a learning curve. Either someone teach, such as a friend, boatbuddy, boat neighbour, research on goggle, UA-cam channel.
I knew nothing about boats and boat life 4 years ago. Yet alone I learned everything from own practice, UA-cam and heck of a lot of research. That after I wasted 15 years in front of world of Warcraft game.until I realized that games gives me nothing in return.
So started to watch UA-cam channels about sailing.. thanks to sailing zatara recommendation.
As my second boat, money is always a spending cut on boats even on a budget, but i don’t give up. And always try to find cheaper alternatives than brand new products. And it’s also rewarding on a personal level.
Some of the great channels are
Sailing Uma, sailing sophisticated lady, SV Delos, calico skies, rigging doctor, sailing Aquarius. Sailing zatara, bums on a boat, Sailing GBU, sailing Ran , and many more. Start binge watch from scratch. You learn a lot on the way.
That includes engine repairs, electronics, electric, boat maintenance, finances, sailing techs, handling seasickness and illnesses on crew, what to do and what not.
But first, could you handle a boat on the open water, by you self, not everyone can because of internal fears and fobia.
Because you have to rely on your own selfs skills without help and assistance. Such experiences makes you grow to be more independent than rely on other.
Sure it’s time consuming. But it’s not too late to jump in.
I would rather say. Buy a smaller boat first to get the practice and experience of having a boat, to get the feel for it.
I own a Maxi 68 that i preliminary plan to set sail in October this year. (2022). By going south and shoot a vlogg on the way. It might be small. But it can handle the Atlantic well.
Hope this gives you some fresh meat to learn something new. Without paying for it. :)
@@svbettybelle thanks for all the great information and experiences!! I figured if I do it then it will be sink or swim! I watch most of the shows you named and seeing how often they have problems and have to repair them is what worries me and made me second guess.
@@oreospeedwaggindoesamerica6078 don’t worry be happy, every issue is an opportunity to solve. Just like everyday life.
How do you feel about the spindrift 42?(1983)
@ABC gang hmm, the one i own looks really good, wires routed good. Slightly over-sized wire, (10ga, with 20A fuses).
@ABC gang this one was built once. Everything is original. I can understand your concern too. I definitely see room for improvement. Everything works, ( all navigation systems have been removed, except the ham/ssb/pakrratt). Re-wiring has already begun on the mast, nav-lights,courtesy lighting, and accent lights. Just looking for ways to integrate all this, and modernize it a bit. Have quite a bit of “Digital Yacht” stuff ( a little more open structure)
Do you recall the channel sailing Jeanneau 349 around the world?
Great video
Enjoy ur videos
Thank you!
Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment
nice job