Great Players of the Past: Jan Hein Donner

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  • Johannes Hendrikus Donner was a Dutch chess grandmaster and writer. Donner was born in The Hague and won the Dutch Championship in 1954, 1957, and 1958.
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    08:46 Jan Hein Donner vs. Octav Troianescu, Wageningen Zonal 1957
    18:22 Jan Hein Donner vs. Bent Larsen, Wageningen Zonal 1957
    24:51 Bobby Fischer vs. Jan Hein Donner, Second Piatigorsky Cup 1966
    32:47 Jan Hein Donner vs. Liu Wenzhe, Olympiad 1978
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  • @xwngdrvr
    @xwngdrvr 16 днів тому +36

    Donner, not only a GM but had a remarkable side hustle as a Reindeer.

    • @spiderchopproductions8172
      @spiderchopproductions8172 15 днів тому +6

      And he invented the kebab. Incredible.

    • @xwngdrvr
      @xwngdrvr 15 днів тому +5

      @@spiderchopproductions8172 You have got to be Shishing me.

    • @EqSlay
      @EqSlay 14 днів тому +2

      I donner bout you, but I found this lecture to be very interesting

    • @xwngdrvr
      @xwngdrvr 14 днів тому

      @@EqSlay Another veteran of the Punic wars, I see. Well met.

    • @mikehartl8665
      @mikehartl8665 14 днів тому

      😁

  • @pommedemer1922
    @pommedemer1922 15 днів тому +15

    You know ben's story gonna be fire when he starts saying "when i was living in belgium... "

  • @Rubrickety
    @Rubrickety 16 днів тому +26

    I knew Donner well. He was actually only 3 inches tall but weighed over 4000 pounds.

  • @EgorTensin
    @EgorTensin 16 днів тому +14

    Donner wrote a great book. One of my favorite stories is how he came up to somebody who lost to a player from China (it was in the second half of the last century, so China wasn't nearly as strong as it is today), and asked "How do you feel losing to a Chinaman?". Needless to say, he lost the next game to a Chinese player in the very next round. A legend of Dutch chess.

    • @redmardamsma7917
      @redmardamsma7917 16 днів тому +4

      One of my favorite stories in the book (actually it is a collection of his articles) is when he wrote in a feminist’s magazine that women can’t play chess. As you might imagine, he got a lot of backlash. One woman wrote, ‘next he is going to state that black men can’t play chess’. His reply was ‘This woman has not understood my point. Black men can play chess, black women can’t.’

    • @donsimons9810
      @donsimons9810 15 днів тому +2

      I guess Ben is concern trolling. I was surprised to learn of the concept of woman gms. Like, here we’ll just lower the expectations so women can get gm titles? The fact that any woman could say “sure, that works” is surprising. Like, don’t you have pride or expectations for yourself? This comment will probably gwt flagged. That’s how sad this world is, and how much I wish people like Donner didn’t have to struggle so much.

    • @ennerz-hq8pq
      @ennerz-hq8pq 15 днів тому +12

      ​@@donsimons9810Donner was wrong so no one listened to him. That's probably also why no one listens to you

    • @vigilante8374
      @vigilante8374 13 днів тому

      @@ennerz-hq8pq He's literally saying the exact same thing that Judit Polgar said, but in the 2020s black is white, up is down, egalitarianism is misogyny, and 50-IQ YT comments are voted up to +10 in response to +1 comments saying sensible, sane, egalitarian things.

    • @donsimons9810
      @donsimons9810 11 днів тому

      @@ennerz-hq8pq oh, lots of people agree. don't worry. women aren't going to be evolving that quickly anytime soon - you've noticed people aren't getting smarter right?

  • @cecilasen
    @cecilasen 16 днів тому +15

    I am not dutch but according to my research a donner gets to about 75lbs and goes well with pita bread source: nutritionfacts

    • @Joseph-sj9uf
      @Joseph-sj9uf 16 днів тому +2

      Always love a good donner and some chips after a night out

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 15 днів тому

      i am not dutch but a donner is an italian woman and a german thunder 😂

  • @MrBonified66
    @MrBonified66 16 днів тому +7

    Donner knew that guy's name was the Lord when he played Qxg6. Bam.

  • @patrickdaly1088
    @patrickdaly1088 16 днів тому +4

    I'm so excited for the Ben Finegold story about how what I play with white got its name. I've played the Chinese variation with 5. g4 for years, mostly from a 1.d4 2. Nc3 transposition, and score about 70% in blitz online because it's so rare and so brutal.

  • @jogzyg2036
    @jogzyg2036 16 днів тому +7

    His take on computers is understandable. If I was told then how far computers would advance in just a few decades I would think that whoever was talking was...
    Frankly, ridiculous.

    • @JerehmiaBoaz
      @JerehmiaBoaz 10 днів тому

      We're in almost the same position with AI now. If you want a good indication of where a technology is going don't focus on what it's capable of today, focus on how much money is being invested in its development.

  • @jeffreyfisher3115
    @jeffreyfisher3115 15 днів тому +2

    “When Bobby was about to make his 30th move, in a slightly inferior position for Donner, he touched a piece and with a sickening feeling realized it was a mistake. It clinched a draw. As Donner described it, ‘After touching the Bishop, Fischer sat for seconds with his finger on the piece desperately looking for another move. he had seen the point at the last minute-as usual, there is no other move!’ Fischer was no less than furious.” - “Bobby Fischer Profile of a Prodigy” p101

  • @f.d.3289
    @f.d.3289 16 днів тому +17

    1:48 "Donner was an oldschool person. Sooo... he was incredibly sexist, and... he was incredibly outspoken about things he didn't necessarily know about!? So he would have been perfect for Twitter." XD XD XD
    Ben, never change, you keep making my life better -- and my chess too :)

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 15 днів тому

      @@donsimons9810 i will always encourage Ben whatever he does dude 😊

    • @donsimons9810
      @donsimons9810 15 днів тому

      was an expression, baby duck.

    • @f.d.3289
      @f.d.3289 15 днів тому

      @@donsimons9810 quack quack, at least i don't delete my cringey comments 🤣

    • @donsimons9810
      @donsimons9810 11 днів тому

      @@f.d.3289 at least i don't tell a random stranger they make my life better after quoting a cringey woke ATL bit of cliche metoo jargon. Get a working soul

  • @midnightfox6378
    @midnightfox6378 16 днів тому +4

    Donner's book The King is the best chessbook ever.

  • @joshuasteinke8537
    @joshuasteinke8537 4 дні тому

    That last joke was hilarious!😂

  • @carneades4409
    @carneades4409 16 днів тому +6

    I assume he invented the very serious and important Donner Opening: a4 e5 Ra3

    • @user-rx1xt2nd5e
      @user-rx1xt2nd5e 16 днів тому

      Didn't know it had a name but Brandon Jacobson won against Naroditsky in a 70 game match only playing this

    • @_nemo171
      @_nemo171 16 днів тому +1

      Very suspicious!

    • @zlatkofelic8820
      @zlatkofelic8820 16 днів тому +1

      Oh, you mean the Viih Sou opening?

    • @marcusevans2733
      @marcusevans2733 15 днів тому +1

      Always sac the exchange!

  • @wowyaywowyaywow
    @wowyaywowyaywow 15 днів тому

    Corrections: The last game is Liu Wenzhe vs Donner, not the other way around. The last move shown was not checkmate, still Qh4, then Rxh4 is mate.

  • @JojenReed
    @JojenReed 16 днів тому +4

    I hope the class doesn't shrink! Donner, class of 11.........wait, 10......9...8

  • @keithwald5349
    @keithwald5349 16 днів тому +5

    I consider Jan Donner to be the Jan Timman of Dutch chess.

  • @nikonyrh
    @nikonyrh 16 днів тому +3

    I didn't know Stephen Fry was a GM.

  • @danielolmo9
    @danielolmo9 16 днів тому +1

    in the last game he resigned two moves fron mate (Qh4)

  • @turtlesoup3624
    @turtlesoup3624 15 днів тому

    From wiki: Apparently Fischer declined to play in the 1st Piatigorsky Cup cuz his demand for an appearance fee of $2000 was not met. In the 2nd one, he lost 3 games straight, the last one of which was against Spassky! But then immediately won 4 straight .. eventually he finished 2nd to Spassky. Donner finished last in the tournament.

  • @jackanderson719
    @jackanderson719 16 днів тому

    Not gonna forget that last game any time soon.

  • @sirarthurconandoyle421
    @sirarthurconandoyle421 13 днів тому

    6:05 and that kid was Ben Finegold

  • @paulgoogol2652
    @paulgoogol2652 16 днів тому +3

    only when you have absolutely no idea about something you may talk about that on Twitter/X

  • @ericrobinson7184
    @ericrobinson7184 15 днів тому

    Damn Son, that was fun!

  • @hamedmehrzad8814
    @hamedmehrzad8814 15 днів тому

    I agree.

  • @jaccocornelisschutter8895
    @jaccocornelisschutter8895 15 днів тому

    Leuk man 👍

  • @nanying7747
    @nanying7747 16 днів тому +2

    Döner is to be eaten in Turkiye guys.. :)

  • @_nemo171
    @_nemo171 16 днів тому +4

    Very suspicious lecture.

  • @jeffreyfisher3115
    @jeffreyfisher3115 15 днів тому

    He went to the Donner Party
    A free banquet that bore his name
    A chance to try new recipes
    And eat his way to fame
    But it’s all right now
    He learned his lesson well
    You see, you can’t feed everyone
    So you got to feed yourself

  • @panpan-vz3om
    @panpan-vz3om 13 днів тому

    What happened to I'm Ben and you're not.

  • @anosmianAcrimony
    @anosmianAcrimony 14 днів тому

    I don't agree!! *shakes fist*

  • @FrankBatistaElJibaro
    @FrankBatistaElJibaro 11 днів тому

    Finegold is butthurt that Donner disagrees with him politically. Wahhhh.

  • @peace_in1move
    @peace_in1move 13 днів тому

    Don't believe him kids.
    The TRUTH LIBERATES !!🌟 Ignorance hurts !
    ' If pain persists see a Dr'. 🪷

  • @hamedmehrzad8814
    @hamedmehrzad8814 15 днів тому

    I agree.

  • @hamedmehrzad8814
    @hamedmehrzad8814 15 днів тому

    I agree.