See inside meeting that voted to change school name back to Confederate leader
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- Опубліковано 10 тра 2024
- School board members of Virginia’s Shenandoah County Public Schools voted to restore the names of Confederate leaders to two schools in the district. #CNN #News
“He fought for his country “
He fought AGAINST HIS COUNTRY 🤦♂️
Did he though? Kinda like Jan 6th guys fought?
@@lllm299news They also fought against their country.
@@lllm299newsJan 6th was a HALF-DAY, unarmed PROTEST.
I just hope they don’t throw another tantrum this summer like they did when George chose sobriety
@@RemoteViewer1 ppl was already charged with sedition n insurrection and are serving time currently. So that makes it the same as the civil war because they both fought against their own country. Doesn't matter if it was for 2 years or 30 seconds. Rape is rape it doesn't matter if u only did it for 2 seconds it's still rape.
There are no Nazi monuments in Germany. 🎉
Because they ALSO want to hide what they did.
Exactly!!!
Ok, so you always compare everything to Nazis? Not even close
There should be
@@Arthur-ke9vz not even one, try again.
Imagine being a kid and going to a school named for Mussolini or Hitler. Southerners are proving that they aren't the brightest bulbs.
Well they are all inbred so what do you expect.
This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. NOT the Confederate states of America. "Disgraceful "
This is America, not Gaza
@@I-dont-reply This is America not the united states of Israel. Oh apologies my mistake that's exactly what this sh!t hole has become. Neverminded continue .......
That's right, we only name things after ethnic cleansers
@@I-dont-replyThis is America, not Tattoine
They want it to be the United States of MAGA with Trump as king. MAGA is the new confederate.
This country honors traitors????? That's disgusting
🎉🎉🎉
Shame on the mess
I’m more concerned about boys in girls locker rooms and bathrooms and sports.
so you're OK with Aushwitz standing? the great wall of china? the monument of George Washington in the UK?
Trump does it all the time with the j6 traitors
Racists will be racists.
The Klan by any other name is the Klan all the same
Why
A heritage of slavery and treason is nothing to be proud of. Get over it and honor World War II veterans who fought to defeat Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan instead.
Right
Every single culture has a history of slavery get over it
@@teslajayde9641 But why celebrate that?
@@teslajayde9641 whatever makes you sleep well at night.
@@teslajayde9641 Yes lets get over it and honor Benedict Arnold.
This is no different than honoring Hitler. Keep the history, but don't honor the evil.
Oh calm down plz. 🤣
@@Dingleberry777 Or what? You gonna lynch some black person?
@@Dingleberry777In Germany it’s illegal to honour Nazis. Why would we honour traitors who wanted to destroy America over slavery?
Only the North Committed Genocide.
@@Dingleberry777 History fail..but they got their degrees/fever from cnn..
Imagine naming a school after hitler and saying its was a decision of the time he fought for his country
That's far too extreme of example, it's not a parrallel it and has no place in this discussion.
@@X2LR8 The Confederacy declared itself another country, how about King George School then, owning people is the Confederacy legacy.
@@X2LR8 A defense of the Confederacy that starts with "it wasn't Nz Germany" is already a failure. A lost cause, you might say.
@@X2LR8 It is a parallel you don't like so you have to whine about it rather than make an actual argument. After all, the Nazis looked to American states' 'black codes' for ideas on how to treat Germany's Jews, but even the Nazis didn't go so far as American segregationist states that maintained any trace of Black blood was an irremovably taint, so the Nazis laws on who was a Jew were narrower than American on who was subject to the black codes. And in its foundational belief that no matter the individual character, all that mattered was that a person was Black was the same thinking the Nazis engaged in that a person's race was the only thing that mattered so that it was enough that someone was a Jew for them to be killed. And nobody who's not actually racist is objecting to the Nazi simile.
@@X2LR8BS
They fought to keep men enslaved
kwaii_gamer
Now we have the Democrat Party doing that.
Did you know that the first slave owner in the United States was black?
Today's Maga Republican party, hell bent on dragging us all back to the dark ages.
Who fought for that, pray tell.
@@TheNewsInASLBiden said, hate speech is against the law. Freedom of speech is tolerated he finished. Kinda confusing.
Not all Republicans are racist. But people who are racist vote Republican. And it's the main part of why they are not the majority.
That’s horse 💩. biden is a known documented racist, still makes racial gaffes and you people voted him
In and give him a free pass. Pathetic. The people I hear saying the n word are mainly Dems.
The Bronze medalists in a system with only 3 contestants, and the #1 contestant is almost never allowed to race (independents). And no, a republican plant like RFK doesn't count. The GOP is dead last on the podium. So how come they keep getting a turn running the country?
Is that why Trump is going to win reelection and the Republicans are about to retake the Senate this year?
And back then "some" democrats made sure anti-busing laws were put into place when schools were desegregated, and that was only around 50 years ago. Racists can hide in both parties.
Stop lying
Who would have known so many hateful, miserable, bigoted, and insecure people exist in the year 2024. How embarrassing.
Trump made it okay to openly embrace the worst versions of themselves. It was exhausting repressing their insecurities, resentment, and bigotry, and bad spelling.
You all speak of intolerance but maybe some of you should look in the mirror
@@rebeccacanales ah yes, we should "tolerate" slavery. Brilliant! Another supporter of "states rights" I assume?
These are the ppl who support Trump
@@kevinsix666 I said no such thing. I am saying we should be more understanding and not paint everyone in any group with a broad brush. Chattel slavery should never tolerated and should have been banned from the very beginning of this country.
They want it to be racist. It represents their heritage.
Your heritage of losing in your fight to continue slavery?
The heritage of being a traitor?
A heritage of treason and upholding slavery is nothing to be proud of. Have you no shame?
The Bible warns us against Idol worship. We need to stop idolizing humans. It’s usually disappointing when you find out who they really are.
Why honor a long decayed fake "nation" of traitors and losers who wanted to preserve the institution of slavery?
If I'm going to change a school's name, it wouldn't be the names of a bunch dead losers who lost a war.
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@@jaysonoweh2227 Not a bot, you just think I am because you don't like my comment.
The living losers disagree and insist on naming things after the dead losers
It's their right to change it if they want to. Democracy.
@@jaysonoweh2227 Nice of you to identify yourself.
I am a DAR, a daughter of the Republic of TX, and a daughter of the confederate. The last one I have problems with. But so did my great great grandfather and his seven brothers. They all found reasons that they had to leave and go home. They did not return to fight. I am so proud that they knew and understood the fight was wrong, that they befriended people of color and stood beside them during that time. Why would a school board not stand beside their students. Why promote hate. School boards are voted in. Change the people. Your vote, your voice counts. Vote them out. Vote blue people.
I don't hate people's color. I hate behavior that I deeply resent.
I have several ancestors who fought for the Confederacy and I wouldn't want to see their names on ANYTHING. Even if they did something heroic to save their fellow soldiers, they were still on the wrong side and don't deserve to be honored. Their cause was not noble and they were not honorable men. They did not possess characteristics that we want to emulate today. I don't know their individual motivations for fighting, maybe they felt pressured by their family or community, but several were slave owners and they were not in danger of losing their land, just their wealth and human property. If I want to honor my heritage, there are plenty of other people in my family tree whose names and lives are more worthy of remembering.
@@yolandagrabowski6043 like gerrymandering purposely into poverty? We committed genocide when the first Christian landed in this hemisphere.
Then the protestants brought slavery. Today's kkk, republicans. It's in the open now, that's all.
Same policy's from reagan!
Economically and socially
reagan had
"welfare queens" as a campaign, not a single people program since nixons clean air act.
Mass Deficits high unemployment low wages.
trump took the hoods off,that's all! There on board!!
Liz like the back door wink, wink. Btw Liz and Hillary are both the REAL moderate republicans!! Elitest !
Do you think they know what DC republicans budget is/ are for them ? Too busy hating democrats because that's the only correlation they have to democrats! Or that unemployment benefits are one of Socialist programs their suppose to hate! Parrots only understand hate!
To be aware is bad?
I enjoyed your sentiment. As far as voting in that district is concerned, most of them probably pushed for the change.
MAGA infiltration of the school boards. Get them out and change the names.
You don't get to be proud of horrible things your ancestors did. (And still be considered a decent person.)
Have you ever seen interviews with people who can’t bring themselves to condemn slavery? Amazing🤦♂️
AOC has sex slaves in the Bronx?
@asynchronicity, Why aren’t you upset with what Joe’s letting happen to the kids at the border?
@@harryfarber6435 You don’t know me at all, thank GOD🤮
Yeah, I remember trump.
@@harryfarber6435 They also took them to AOC's District.
South refuses to acknowledge they got whipped
I agree; the Democrat party DOES need to admit that.
And Lee surrendered.
@@superoldgamesaturday3277 I agree, The MAGA Government Of Putin needs to admit that.
@@KenneJ-bu7rr Putin endorsed Biden, so epic fail, uppity.
@@superoldgamesaturday3277 I think that you need to check your facts.
Talking about the cost of changing it back assumes that they didn't just keep everything. This was four years coming.
MAGA has taken us back fifty years.
Reaganomics started this. trump in the closet!
Donald Trump has more African Americans and Latinos than any other Republican!
good
How so?
kiev, ukraine has its bandera street named after nahzi collaborator stepan bandera, thats ok though🤣
These are the same people who vote against school bonds.
FJB
@@jerroldbates355ew you wanna fjb
Boo against fighting against school bonds. I have a dream, races get along with each other. And love one another civil.
@@jerroldbates355 Why?
@@yolandagrabowski6043 Yt people first, we have been waiting for that, for eons
Thomas "Stonewall" Jackson owned at least 6 slaves. He fought to preserve the institution of slavery. Historically, he is an important figure that should be studied. However, honoring him is a whole different matter. It's sad how unevolved and backward our southern countrymen are.
And he was never repentant to his dying day.
The only thing he was ever sorry for was losing.
These people are certainly Trump voters.
This is why you have to vote THE ENTIRE BALLOT.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
AMEN
Only SOCIALISM can save us from barbarism, NOT capitalism LIGHT.
#NoGenocideJoeIn24 #BidenBallotBoxBoycott #VoteLocal
Despicable people do ugly things out of spite
Spite is all the guilty have left as a reaction.
confederate monuments - why are we glorifying losers ?! (still carrying the tradition that you can't accept that you lost that war)
Because these people's families fought with the traitors
@@kwaii_gamerEveryone got amnesty meaning they are not traitors racist.
The confederate will not have my respect but l highly respect the union Army our true patriots
Those of us who had ancestors in the Union army who fought and DIED, are still guilty in the eyes of liberals based off the color of our skin.
The confederation didn"t start the war though, the northern agressor did
@@billydemol8817 Nope. Jefferson Davis gave the order to attack Fort Sumter. Leave it to a white supremacist/racist to always blame the North/Union to NOT do their homework. So pathetic and predictable
@@billydemol8817South Carolina is not in the North.
@@billydemol8817Why is it every time I read something you culties write I hear the deliverance banjo music? Sigh…
Imagine if in Germany they named their schools: Hermann Göring High School or Adolf Hitler Middle School and you were Jewish. How would you feel?
We aren't in Germany and we have a lot more freedom and a lot more rights than Germans in Germany do. In Germany the government dictates most of your personal decisions including you are allowed to love and marry.
Stonewall Jackson was the loser. I'm not used to celebrating losers, as I'm a real American.
You blow Biden, so THAT'S a lie.
Spoken by a Biden voter.
Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq? War of 1812?
Vietnam? Afghanistan? Iraq? War of 1812?
He won every battle he fought.
It’s crazy how they want to honor names of traitors.
It's crazy how Democrats want to hide that the traitors they claim to be disgusted by are their kind and are no different than the thing that's in the White House.
They're honoring their ancestors. They have a right to.
@@rebeccacanalesThey can do it in their own home
@@corvus8638 or in public as is their right. A right that is protected I would point out.
@@rebeccacanales Sure, they have the right. People have the right to tell you they have bad values. People have the right to tell you they prefer racists to anti-racists. People have the right to tell you that they are not safe to be in charge of Black students because they choose heroes that wanted to keep Black people enslaved. If your ancestors fought for evil and you honor them, what does that make you?
And don't go comparing this to the founding fathers issue. George Washington had slaves, and should be criticized for that, but he is famous for fighting for a republican form a government and refusing to take dictatorial power when it was offered to him. Meanwhile, Lee, Jackson, and Ashby fought AGAINST that republican form of government and for the right to wield autocratic authority over people of color. That's the only reason we even talk about them. They would have been forgotten otherwise (Lee might have been a minor footnote for his term as commandant of West Point.)
If you honor your pro-treason, pro-slavery ancestors, the rest of us are allowed to judge you, think much, much less of you, and condemn your policies. And, indeed, that is all a righteous, decent person could do. This isn't really a complicated issue. Your feelings about your heritage mean nothing when that heritage says Black people should be kept in slavery, and there is nothing that can change that THAT is what the Confederacy was all about.
(And don't bother with the states' rights argument. I'm a historian. I know that BS was mostly added as a cause of the war later. Confederate speeches and the declarations of secession before and during the war all made it very clear that the main cause of the war, first, last, and always, was slavery. The primary documents couldn't be clearer on this.)
I can't believe this. Honoring racists who fought and died to protect the"right" to OWN OTHER HUMAN BEINGS is appalling. This is disgraceful and morally reprehensible.
Its who and what USA is.
@@factsnotfeelings3247 No it's Not . . . Only the iliterate STILL admire that period of our history. 😐
Democrats are trying to hide their past
When the great-great grandson of the person you're honoring, says you're wrong, you've got problems.
This is what happens when traitors are not held responsible.
To me, Mountain View High School seems quite an appropriate and lovely name, as it reflects the entire area. Why change it back to a name that causes a divide among those who attend/teach at the school, not to mention a divide in the community of which the school is a part?
Stonewall Jackson is a far better name
Because the town is majority white the towns been racist and will always be
Yes, you are correct. The people who want to change it back are trying to hold onto the notion of white supremacy and confederate worship. "Mountain View" is used quite often here in the valley.
@@DanLanningPRTeam No, no, it is not. Naming a school for a man who killed United States soldiers in order to expand and perpetuate slavery is a sign to every non-white student that they are inferior and that was the purpose of all the commemoration of rebel generals and politicians post-war. You'd know what's wrong with it if you'd had to attend 'Hideki Tojo High School'.
@@DanLanningPRTeamSamuel L. Jackson is even better.
I am disgusted and appalled by this school board.
The school board felt disgusted too. That's why they voted to change the name back.
@williamstephens, Then start your own school
Who cars 🤡🤡🤡
Loser
@@Lerian_VGermany doesn’t honour the Nazis? Why would we honour those traitors?
We always hear talk of states rights and history when it comes to memorializing confederate heroes. They fought for states rights they are part of history. I hate that the media and others never quite ask one question. What did these states want the right to do? Today for instance we know that there is a huge fight over abortion. So when you ask someone what are people fighting for the right to do right now you can say have an abortion. Back then during and before the Civil War, what were they fighting for the right to do exactly there had to be something very specific that these states felt the need to leave the union and take up arms against other Americans. What did they want to do That others were telling them you can’t do this? What was it again? Oh yes, I remember now they wanted the right to own slaves. The Civil War, you can twist history and say it was about states right but tell the whole story southern states wanted the right to own people, people of color in particular. All of these monumental figures these heroes of the south these good men and women that loved the Lord they wanted to put people in chains. They thought it was OK to beat people. They thought it was OK to rape women. These are the people they wish to celebrate. Not only that they want to do it with my tax dollars and as a black man, I don’t want to spend my tax dollars someone that would have wanted me in chains. Someone who would’ve thought it was preposterous for me to even have the right to read. Let’s remember these heroes of the south they thought of a slave could read they should die. That’s because that’s how they acted. If you were a slave with a book and they discovered you could read they killed you.
Remind us again....
What were those rights in which they fought for?
I think it's important to add that they also demanded that non-slave states respect their "right to property" by returning escaped slaves and demanded that they be allowed to travel across free states with their slaves. They didn't just want in back in their home states. They wanted it everywhere.
It was also the one aspect that confederate states had no control of in the confederate constitution. Confederate state's rights BUT they had to remain slave states and abide by "property rights" of other slave states.
It's hard for them to argue it was all about states rights as they demanded other states give up their own rights.. :(
The Daughters of the Confederacy were instrumental in literally "white washing" American History books in the South. They softened the horror of slavery; pushed the bogus "states rights" cause; erected 100s of statues and memorials that reinforced Jim Crow for 100 years; and successfully parlayed the name Civil War, to make it more palatable than The War of Rebellion - which is still the official name.
These people can't admit their forefathers supported evil. Sad, smh
Are they going to vote to bring back slavery?
GOP will try.
Kanye West, a black guy, is open to slavery
@@PhistingZombie29Confederates were Democrats 🤡🤡
We are all slaves
They would if they could.
Let’s be real. No one really cares about Stonewall Jackson today. This is about something else, and we know what that is.
The only Jacksons I really care about today (that I can think of right now) are Janet, Michael, Samuel L, and Kate.
Why don't students that go to Stonewall Jackson High simply say to others and online "I go to Traitor Slaver Piece of Sh*t High" and watch the magic happen?
😂😂😂😂😂
Wow, this is how education money is spent in Virginia? Imagine using that money to pay teachers!!!! Imagine the cost of changing all the logos...uniforms...stationary...etc.
They aren't spending district money to make the changes because the CRT people who controlled the school before them bankrupted the district and abolished educational standards. So the Board is relying on private donations and having to reestablish standards of education.
@@rebeccacanales this is not about standards of education. it's about the name on the side of a building.
@@rebeccacanalesCRT people! 😂😂You don't even know what that is apparently. It is not a school subject, it is taught in law school. Stop listening to lies and talk to actual teachers, look at their curriculum. So tired of this nonsense.
@@carollund8251 There you go a generalizing and painting a broadbrush. Critical Race Theory (CRT) is an academic and legal framework that examines the intersection of race and U.S. law, positing that racism is systemic and an ingrained in the fabric of legal systems and policies, rather than merely the product of individual biases and prejudices. CRT teaches that America is an evil racist empire and that racism will never end until America is erased from existence and the US Constitution abolished. It emerged in the mid-1970s through the work of legal scholars such as Derrick Bell, Kimberlé Crenshaw, and Richard Delgado. These scholars argued that the gains of the civil rights movement had stalled and that the law played a role in maintaining the status quo of racial inequality. I agree with it up to where it demonizes America as a country and seeks the destruction of the US Constitution.
The rest of what you said is complete nonsense. CRT has been influential in various fields beyond law, including education, political science, and sociology, influencing discussions on how policies and practices perpetuate racial disparities.
While Critical Race Theory (CRT) originated in the legal academic field, and is primarily taught at the graduate level in law schools, the concepts and ideas associated with CRT have also been integrated into other academic disciplines and levels of education. In universities, it is often explored in graduate studies, particularly in fields like education, sociology, and political science, where scholars examine systemic inequalities and the intersection of race with other social identifiers.
At the undergraduate level, elements of CRT has been included in courses that deal with racial studies, social justice, or history, though the depth of coverage would vary depending on the course and institution. In K-12 education, while CRT itself as a theory is not typically a part of the curriculum, themes such as the history of racism and civil rights and the wickedness of America might be discussed, which can overlap with some of the issues CRT addresses.The inclusion of elements of CRT in elementary and secondary school education is designed to brainwash American children into believing this country is evil, the Constitution is a product of racism that must be abolished, and that the founders and their descendents are all inherently evil.
It's greatest failure is that it demonizes entire groups of people while purporting to foster understanding. In reality CRT is a massive failure and a threat to America's very existence. It's a threat to the freedoms we inherited from our ancestors. Freedom of Speech to the extent not allowed in any other country. Freedom not only to hold your own religious beliefs but also the freedom and right to practice your religion in public spaces even in the presence of those who don't agree with your religious beliefs, freedom of the press which was not created for the professional news media but was created for every individual American citizen. The right to own and posses guns for the purpose of overthrowing a fascist or dictatorial government. The right to trial by jury for major crimes and that result in major punishments such as death, exile, or even deportation. The right to be treated as innocent until a court finds you guilty. Freedom of movement, for citizens, to move between states. Slavery is not on this list because owning slaves, while tolerated, was never a right anywhere in the US. Not even in the Confederacy. You think those wealthy land owners started a war and had poor people fighting for them in order for everyone to own slaves? Hell no. They started a war only to defend their own right to own slaves. They had no intention of giving that right to anyone else. Kind of like how Lincoln abolished slavery in the seceding states but not in the states that remained loyal to the Union. Gotta love the hypocrisy of the Confederate and Union governments.
Standards of hate you really mean.@@rebeccacanales
Racism and Reaganism are the same thing.
Wasn't Abraham Lincoln a Reagan republican? 🤔
@@wsbs520 Not even close.
@@wsbs520Their lives didn’t even overlap…
Wait a minute. Did I get trolled again?
@@wsbs520 That dividing line starts and ends at Eisenhower and Goldwater.
Traitors don't deserve any honor, or remembrance. What wrong with America?
Well their families were traitors but they are now proud Americans , and they can't square the circle
Everything.
It's like 20 old white people there..
You sound pretty racist.
True, but the majority cheered, clapped and stoop up for the young lady that spoke up.
Ah, the decline of America.
WELCOME TO JOE BIDEN'S AMERICA!
@@RemoteViewer1 You sure are happy with him
@@RemoteViewer1We’re talking about you culties and traitors.
The _boat anchor_ that has always held back America.
@@RemoteViewer1you sound truly foolish for this comment.
I am related to Stonewall Jackson and they should not named anything after him with what he did to this country
You are not related to General Thomas Jackson. I am. Nephew. You are not related to me
There are 8 cities in 8 states named after him along with two counties.
@@rogerbrownreacts8528 I am a Jackson
@@rogerbrownreacts8528 Ah, so your mom is 120 years old, eh?
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing My mom is long dead and I am only two generations from the Civil War dude.
Traitors.
Only in America! Smh! Germany not naming schools after Nazi Generals or putting up statutes of Nazi's across their country but here in America some people want to honor the same type of individuals, please make it make sense.. Smh lol
Heritage!?!?!?! Of hatred period!
How effing shameful!! Disgusting!!
Arrogance and false justice will do America no good
Imagine if Germany started naming roads and buildings after Hitler....
They DID do that.
@@superoldgamesaturday3277 Really? Can you give me an example of CURRENT roads and buildings named after Hitler? And not during WW2
@@Barricade379 Dat gaolpost moving.
There's all sorts of things named after German soldiers from that era, like Erwin Rommel.
@@Barricade379 Don't be so woke.,you slavery lover....
Today, there are a lot of people who went to Southern Schools in the segregated South and still today, that are taught by family, friend and school alike, that the Civil War wasn’t 100% about slavery. However, these are people that weren’t alive back then.
Fortunately for us, historians established exactly that the Civil War was exactly about slavery.
Even better, the Confederate Vice President, Alexander H. Stephens. He specifically said in his “cornerstone speech” that the Confederacy was going to war specially and ONLY to enshrine the practice of slavery because that was a black persons natural, God placed position.
Mic drop.
Turd Drop. Kerplunk... 💩
Believed all over the north too ..and black folk owned slaves up and down the land..William Ellison...? Read some real history.. Most southerners did not own slaves and fought for their homes, towns and families..just like the Boys in Blue. Civil Wars are always tragic as nations go to war with themselves..
@@seewulf2385 As historian James McPherson has showed in 'For Cause and Comrades', based on soldiers' letter, the rebel soldiers understood they were fighting for slavery and supported slavery, whether they owned slaves or not. You are promoting a Big Lie that not owning slaves meant a person had no interest in slavery. Slavery meant that every white man, no matter how degraded, was better than any Black man, and social status matters. White men looked to one day acquire slaves as a route toward 'the southern American dream' and could also rent slaves to work their lands. And then there is that slaves tended to be owned by the patriarch of a family with his sons, nephews, friends and hangers-on benefitting, particularly by being able with impunity to rape the female slaves sso that every plantation featured mixed race children bearing the stamp of their master's face. As southern diarist Mary Chestnut wrote: “The mulattos one sees in every family … resemble the white children. Any lady is ready to tell you who is the father of all the mulatto children in everybody’s household but her own. Those, she seems to think, drop from the clouds.” As to Black people 'owning slaves up and down the land, that's bullshit. There were some mixed race slave owners in Louisiana and that's it. And the racist feature of American slavery wasn't that only white people could _own_ slaves but only Black people could _be_ slaves. You are either profoundly ignorant of the history or are a massive liar. On, and, BTW, as McPherson shows, while relatively few United States soldiers were abolitionists at the war's start, as they came in contact with the reality of the cruelty of slavery as they advanced into its territory and as they realized that slavery was what motivated and sustained the rebels, they became practical if not moral abolitionists as the war went on. Rebel soldiers fought for slavery all the way through and knew that th expansion and perpetuation of slavery was the cause they fought for while US soldiers came to understand the depths of the immorality of the rebels as they came to know slavery, so the two sides were not so similar as you claim.
@@seewulf2385 , this is so disingenuous. Yes, there were some slave-owning Blacks, but they were not up and down the land; they were primarily in New Orleans. However, that's a few thousands enslaved, compared to four million held by Whites. There were also only a few thousand enslaved people in the Mid-Atlantic states and, again, four million in the South (and border states). There were not enslaved people "all over the North." The New England states had banned slavery in their first state constitutions.
Most Southerners who didn't own slaves still supported slavery and White supremacy because it meant they weren't at the bottom of the social hierarchy. Sure, some fought because they considered the Union army an invading army, but an honest look at the letters they left behind (might I recommend "For Cause and Comrade" by James McPherson) demonstrates that most Confederates, even the poor ones, were all in for slavery. The strongly anti-slavery Southerners supported the Union, not the Confederacy.
If you cherry-pick factoids without providing context or scale, it's no different than an outright lie. Your goal was to make it seem like both sides were equally bad or it was too complicated to tell. None of that is true. Most of the bad was on the Southern side, since they were refusing to even let slavery die slowly AND they started the war. It's not too nuanced or complicated to know who was right and wrong here. Find some moral clarity and just condemn the treasonous slavers who pushed the nation into a stupid war that killed some 800,000 people.
If only the slave trading tribes of Africa..who owned so many slaves they happily shipped their surplus over the Atlantic or to the Muslim world weren't so ravenous and greedy.Black people owned slaves all the way up to Conn...Religious. whites and far sighted black visionaries pushed for an end. but when Lincoln was elected the Southern Cotton Kings ran state governments and tried to leave the Union.700,000 dead and a legacy we are still left with.. Slavery is still rampant all over Africa..but at least the British and French Sailors who died on the High Seas have it confined to the AFrican Continent .They died trying to end the slave trade much loved by the Black rulers there..America payed a heavy price in blood and treasure to end the "peculiar"institution in these United States. Pathetic and embarrassing to see the Dem pols kneeling in the Ashante Shawls..as they were masters of the slave trade...History matters
Nothing like honoring Traitors to our country.
So let me ask another question: Is this also a school that has banned books? Banned teaching 'certain' types of history in the classroom? Just wondering...
The Lost Cause lives.
Sad, sad little people.
In Ireland we don't celebrate Oliver Cromwell but we study the history of the Cromwellian war in Ireland 🇺🇸🇮🇪🇪🇺
"Look at what the man DONE". Is this guy a product of the Shenandoah County Public School District??? BRAVO!!!
The supporters of this and their willful ignorance is astounding.
You might think they had better things to do with an always limited budget, like employ a few more teachers?
No, The Board was bored...
@@FourDollaRacing No, the board is racist.
Good, now cut any federal funding to these states
Why? Because they're poor? Southerners are Americans, too...
Maybe they can name another school in that town, Joseph Stalin High or Henrich Himmler Middle School.
How about Ted Bundy or Charles Manson?
I like Donald "Grifter" Trump High School.
@@KCmidwest-wm9jd
Where academic success is inversely proportional to intelligence.
...and not many black faces in the crowd....
What is the percentage of the families served who are Black?
They used to cover themselves wirh white sheets and now they have take off the white hood
They all wear red hats now
WHY, WHY , WHY do this? Why cant they let the Confederacy go ?
Because they're little people in a big, Was Always Great pond who didn't do anything of worth, and things like this or J-6 is their '5 minutes of fame' moment.
It just feels good to be an @$$hole sometimes. For them, ALL the time.
Because they want its legacy of white supremacism to continue today, when, according to census data, a Black man with a university degree makes on average what a white man with a high school diploma does. .
Shame on them.
The nostalgia for a past that never was is strong. It is a consistent feeling in many cultures. That impulse to bring back what was, what was imagined to be is intense. As things change with such speed and breadth, (undeniable in our time) that feeling for the past is growing and will continue. Do not be confused that the name is associated with the Confederacy. That is absolutely a side note, though I acknowledge how disgusting it is. What is happening here, what is driving politics and social interaction is that desire for what is imagined to be the past. Or perhaps more properly, a rigid fear of what is and what appears to be coming. This is an act of fear more than one of racism.
Eloquent critique on something you have no reference for. Your dissertation may have standing in some general way but completely misses the mark in regards to the conscious of the born Southerner.
I don’t agree that u should get rid of history. The confederacy should be in the museums.. period
True, but museums are funded differently than schools.
Maybe in museums, showing the horrors of slavery and human trafficking (yes, that's what it was!), but no where else should the names of traitors be seen.
They cant even defend him without sounding ra cist, shouldnt that tell them something.
Let’s be serious they want to celebrate people who wanted to own slaves. Pick some of the other major things we build monuments to in history who builds monuments to a movement that lasted less than a decade less than a few years. I’m not looking at it from the angle of race. I’m looking at it from the angle of the confederacy wasn’t even around that long. Why are certain groups of people caught up in this nation that wasn’t even around that long. Sure, I could bring up the awful truth of what that nation believed in, but I won’t. Let’s look at how long the confederacy was for celebrate the history of the US.
fought *specifically* to defend slavery
AS I SAID MAGA 1864 FOR WHO?????.
Umm, the Democrat party did slavery, stupid.
Confederacy was Democrats. All democrats.
That School Board represents the low-rent morality and common sense if their community. I’m glad to know where they are, in case my animals need to relieve themselves.
I'm so very tired of people being deliberately stupid and mean.
PSA: Don't name things after bad people and traitors.
@@maya2adore232 Yeah, but that other country is Russia.
Even though there never was a _Hermann Goering Right-Thinking ReEducation Center_ in Germany, there probably will be one in the U.S. south.
That's funny!
They didn’t fight for this country
Disgusting
Germany doesn't name anything after Nazi war "heroes." They don't have any monuments or statues honoring Nazis, even though Nazis are part of Germany's heritage and history.
Floyd's a bunch of BS... hasn't he caused enough headaches..
Where's all that Anti-Semitism campaigning on this? I guess Anti-black isn't an issue for them
Virgil quick come see, there goes Robert E Lee 🎶
...just take what you can and leave the rest, but they should NEVER have taken the very best....
His Grandson is proof that people can change & evolve ... SO HOW DARE THAT SCHOOL BOARD REFUSE TO!!!
He fought AGAINST HIS COUNTRY
We also remember the new toxicology report that showed that he had a large amount of control substance in his system.
It's just a name. It's not even required to have a name, the school could go by a number or the address or by something that's unique to the neighborhood where it's located. Why go back to or protect the name that is divisive and brings on pain and sadness to people, even if they're part of the minority. Do a contest, let the students propose names and the community vote on the new name. Do a runoff on the top two. Bring joy and stop being so rigid. Not everything has to be about memorizing someone. Schools are about going forward, inspiring to learn, making progress in learning (gaining knowledge and skills) instead of living in the past.
Well said!
If you want to name your school after someone, make sure it's someone who inspires the students who go there. You want a famous inspiring Virginian, why not Sandra Bullock or Mike Johnson or Pharrell Williams?
Um, dude: Stonewall Jackson did not "fight for his country." He betrayed his country and fought against it, fought to tear it apart in order to preserve the right to own human beings as property. It's sad that you had a poor education, but it's also not something most people would flaunt in public like this.
👉 Substantial lack of empathy on the part of so many in the right wing movement. 😮😥
As you finger yourself to the October 7th videos.
@@superoldgamesaturday3277What ???
Here we go again, you might as well tell me that real men wear diapers. 🤣
Lee was against Confederate monuments and any Confederate gatherings and made it clear that he would not support such monuments and meetings with either his attendance or monetary contributions.
What exactly did these people inherit from Stonewall Jackson? That’s what heritage means. They are not even remotely connected to anything that transpired when that man was alive.
They do not own the historical record. Even if they did it represents only a tiny fraction of the real person cradle to grave. They’re extolling the virtues of a self-empowering myth to fortify their own personal beliefs.
The original naming could’ve been a product of ignorance, insensitivity, etc., but the decision to restore that name is a deliberate statement that the “heritage” of civil war LARPers and alleged will of the majority override the principle of equal treatment.
This isn’t about the preservation of history, it’s about the distortion and exploitation of it. It’s a cowardly way to promote evils of the past without bearing personal accountability.
How petty do you have to be to fight for such a trivial thing? Assuming a name was adopted that all parties found acceptable, what’s so horrible about that outcome? It’s a school. If a name change makes academic life more inclusive for children and that hurts your feelings because it challenges your ego and threatens your wish fulfillment fantasies based on a history you likely know almost nothing about then you’re the problem.
Ah, Virginia, where Deliverance is kept in the non-fiction section.
The evidence now shows he was not murdered, but died of a drug overdose. Update: He died of a cardiopulmonary arrest with drugs in his system and no life-threatening injuries identified.
Only racist and bigots believe that intelligent people watched the video
You did what!?
Post the link to that evidence.
@@maryannsimms7189 it will be a Facebook link after you donate to your kids future to Trump
Yeah and it totally helped that a cop knelt on his chest instead of calling for paramedics....
Schools should only be named after the cities they are in not after any single person
The US is making freaking babysteps in regards of equaty. And than the little bit that happens is thrown away by a conservative school board. Democrats need more volunteers in school boards, so normal people are there too...
This is Donald Trump’s doing period. It’s disgusting & those school board members should all be recalled. Changing them back WTF?
I’m not so sure they don’t want to go back to 1850, not just 1950.
All he did was give these people permission to show everybody how they really feel. They’ve been this way all along, but their ability to impose their racist will on everyone around them is diminishing, and they are deeply distressed.
Unfortunately it started long before Donald Trump. Do you remember, Lee Atwater, Willie Horton, and George Herbert Walker Bush?
@@kevinmulcahy7991Yes but the thing with Trump, for some reason people now don't feel they have to pretend anymore. They are openly racist and proud of it.
Another major confederate general from Virginia is an ancestor of mine…no matter what he did and why he did it, he was and is a traitor to the United States of America. He chose to support and work for the Confederate States of America whose intentions were to destroy the foundations of democracy based on equality and freedom for all and to establish a hierarchical government whose foundations would be based on equality and freedom for a select few. Heritage doesn’t always age well in the tests of time and truth, especially when it is worn like a badge of honor without forethought.
And this is how a healthy democracy works, words not guns !
To me, it's quite simple. If you're going to name the schools after these people, they need to put up a marker detailing what these individuals did. Each facility named after a Confederate leader needs to also bear a marker that says the individual that this facility honors is responsible for the deaths of over 500,000 Americans in the pursuit of preserving and expanding the institution of slavery and white supremacy within the United States. The parents who condone the naming should also have to explain to their kids why the actions of these individuals justifies the honor they are bestowing upon them. I have noticed that the people who want to keep these statues and names of Confederate leaders on buildings never mention what these individuals actually did and stood for. Nor do the want any actual US history taught to their kids that describes why these people fought the Civil War.
Stupidity and ignorance are alive and well in Virginia.
Gurl.... Ya'll be killing me with the racism... While being Good ole' "christians"....Jesus wouldn't be on the CONFEDERATE side.
Jesus would call them heretics himself. Today's Evangelicals, too.
I live in Shenandoah County, this school wasnt even named after Stonewall jackson until 1959....
So...America is just as bad, yet the media is always talking about South Africa...
😶 ? What ? 🙄