I feel like a lot of people are gonna bring up the Black Chainsaw Man but we just gotta accept that is just not Denji, that is Pochita. The scaling for that cannot equate to actual Denji
@@GunshyFever a little yeah, imma support of course but I do feel as if some of things require a decent bit more proof like Yuji being relative to Hakari
And also it’s been proven twice that denji has to be super depressed to the point that he doesn’t want to live anymore if he wants to use the black chainsaw man form
I agreed but don't say yuji can't hit his soul that is one of yujis new skills he learned from Yukis Research he can see and strike the souls of people it is the reason he can weaken sukuna with every hit
well no he didn't learn that from yuki, he learned that because sukuna was inside his body and that makes him can percieve the soul better that's why only him can damaged mahito in the shibuya arc
devils are made to regen , sure its impressive to consistently do so but it dosent compare to someone who physically endures attacks with zero regen factors up until recently
@@rhemv I'm looking at a panel of Denji sawing through his own head while talking perfectly fine and no joke saying 'Corn dogs! I wanna eat corn dogs! From, uhh… France!!' Yuji gritting his teeth in discomfort from clean slashes ain't comparable to my man ranting about what he wants to eat while sawing through his own head.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 denji reacts to getting slashed and diced by a pocket knife from kishibe while yuji takes continuous shrine attacks from sukuna on multiple occasions not to mention the endurance of black flash attacks , nothing more to be said , while both are definitely impressive denji cannot compare to yuji , he just takes higher output and intense attacks , if you find denji to be more impressive feel free to have your own opinion.
There's one factor even if it's situational that could determine the winner. In Chainsaw Man's world, devils get stronger depending on the people's overall fear of them. Therefore, if Denji was terrifying enough to rival an Primal Devil, he virtually would be considered a deity. Even Yuji with his potential surpassed Sukuna can't compete with that. Also Primal Devil are considered unkillable too.
Denji negs. Typhoon makes a storm = is considered a small city level feat < shows inferiority to Reze ≈ Denji scrapes with Reze < he overpowers a stronger Santa and her dolls that previously overwhelmed him
Current Denji should at least be around sub rela for having similar infamy as the gun due to Barem and the gun can snipe Makima from 500 km in a single panel. It took three for one second to pass on the timer so 1 panel = 1/3 of a second. 500,000 m ÷ 0.3333 s = 1,500,000 m/s. Times five since this is only 20% and you get 7,500,000 m/s. Denji should actually up scale from this by a lot since Barem's propaganda and CSM terrorism is meant to make Denji strong enough to fight the death devil who is currently the strongest devil of all.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 yuji have soul seizing punch which helps him to split two different soul in a single body and with this yuji can split chainsaw devil from denji yuji negs
@@jackaboynaylor9273 well, Denji/Pochitas clone while weakend can keep up with Makima, who was able to catch the Darkness Devil and heavily damage it. Primal Devils are considered transcednant over all normal devils, besides Horsemen and Pochita. Even the Gun DEvil is considered fodder to the devils that can survive in Hell, that arent even Primal Fears. Pochita and the DArkness DEvil have been shown to travel across Hell in short time frames. There are innumerable doors in Hell and just one dorr holds a universe-sized realm in the case of the human realm door. Darkness Devil is stated to be in another corner in Hell, by Pingtsi who has information gathering abilities, meaning he traversed a chunk of Hell in that time they arrived there. Pochita was able to treavel to the human realm door in the space of a short conversation, while being shwon fighting Devils, that should make the Gun DEvil look like a joke. Also, Poichita is stated to have eaten a star/sun devil and should transcend it aswell. Devils are shown to have their concept as their base power, like the Chicken devil being stated as exactly chicken level. MEaning the star devil, ignoring the fear amps should literally be a star. With Fear amps, the Gun DEvil grew to millions of times the mass of a gun withjust 20% of its body. And any nomral Devils being transcended would inlcude the ETernity/Infinity Devil, wich literally created an infinite relam with its own time-space.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 can u explain how will they become stronger when the soul and body have split into two different being your conversation doesn't make sense
I personally disagree with creation feat scaling. DEs are pocket dimensions formed from the person that suit their innate CT's. And incase anybody disagree, if that would be the case, then Gojo should be Universal then via DE scaling, which is obv inconsistent. The environment of the DE is kinda just for looks tldr (Also Dagon's DE is not big enough to be considered an Island, at best, it's Large Town lvl size) Additionally, their maximum techniques aren't equal with their domains, if they can output mountain to island lvl's of AP, why use DE to amp your stats or use maximum techniques (even Gojo needed to amp his max. tech. HP to 200% w/ Uraume). Either way, you can argue solidifying Yuji to City lvl and higher with chain scaling to Gojo creating an earthquake upon him summoning, and scaling to Jogo. Also disagree with Denji scaling to the Gun Devil, like, at all, shooting across cities ≠ city lvl AP or even the Gun Dev. crashing through a city and summoning through the forest. Pochita would only have that consideration, cause he's the most feared devil. Also you forgot to mention that Yuji can "shake" the soul with his strikes, maybe not damaging Denji through the soul, but perhaps separating the Chainsaw Devil from Denji. And everything else shown be fine.
First of we’ve never seen yuji pull off they level of control plus you assume Denji dosent have some understanding of his soul even though due to verse equalization he definitely would
@@GuiltyGal well that was never the point the point was to get megumi to take control of his body back by weakening sukuna enough to the point where he could but it failed because megumi mentally and physically didnt want to fight anymore
the way you scale dagon's ap isnt right, creating a building isnt building level, creating an island isnt island level, the creation = ap is only applied when talking about celestial bodies and large amount of mass, on a small scale each feats should be individually calculated, vsbattle has a mass chart for mass creation, when the mass exceed the moon, the gravitational binding energy is used (it can be used to lower scale but its harder to calculate.) also the way you scale gun devil ap isnt right too, shooting through city doesnt give city ap, what youre "calculating" here is dc not ap, and its not even fully city dc, you d need to wipe a whole city totally, or have a city sized explosion (ground based) to pretend city ap, even there it needs to be calculated.
@@rhemv you never mentioned the issues with the creation feat, you only said that the curses maybe didnt scale to their domain which is very different. you also said nothing about denji
@@finnnodiffs I said if you think yuji dosent scale to island then he would scale above after mentioned calcs , I never used the island ap regardless, and for denji it’s just common sense that the gun devil demolished multiple city blocks of a city , and that’s lowballing considering it was several cities so yeah feel free to disagree but there’s zero issues with anything provided in the video
That would be true under normal circumstances but because of how domain expansions work it should work with his AP =raw power also it's consistent with the the scale of the series
City level DC is always at least city level AP. They don't scale to their domains because of how much more energy it uses compared to their others attacks.
Makima launched Chainsaw Man (180 cm which should be around 80 kg for the average man but he has 5 chainsaws so lets say he's 100kg) to lower orbit which is around 2000km. We dont know how long it took CSM to reach lower orbit but it had to be less than a second since we dont get a perspective and no panels depicted him accelerating. that gives us an acceleration of 4000000 m/s^2. Meaning that makima's "Bang" had 4 million joules, enough to be city level. Choso formed a binding vow to sacrifice his life in order to protect Yuji from Sukuna's Furnace, a city level attack. Yuji scales lower than denji in durability and strength but is on the same speed level
Yuji wins even if he's fighting a weakened version of sakuna this isn't one finger or right after the fight with Gojo were he was at his weakest; sakuna right now is about 18 or 19 fingers I would say and that is impressive to keep up with considering he's above kenjaku who can handle a black hole that wouldve destroy the planet but was afraid Gojo was going to one shot him. Not on that level but being close to his level is impressive because then he's way above Jogo in ap and close in speed to kashimo attacks who can shoot em waves. That's not even counting all of his new abilities SPOILERS like the gauntlets that hit the soul, RCT blood manipulation, fire, AND USING SUKANA CLEAVE techniques that would work on the chainsaws denji has
Kenny surviving Yuki's black hole doesn't scale him anywhere because he did it using a technique and would only be a lifting feat and probably gravity resist.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 you proved my point his body was still near the black hole and he didn't lift it he just added gravitational force show his durability and endurance play somewhere around small planetarium to multicolored and sakuna and GoJo are above him soo
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I thought we went over this I never said anything about lifting I said kenjaku was inside the black hole and his durability is more or less comparable to the black hole going to destroy the planet; Gojo and sakuna are way above them
@@Keith_Norman It's not comparable because it's just a lifting feat 🤦🏾♂️ he's not tanking the energy Yuki used to make the black hole, he is resisting the gravity pulling him apart. Not the same thing. Do you have planetary durability for resisting the Earth's gravity?
Yuji is just stronger and faster and has better hax. Nothing base denji does is doing much to yuji. Now, pochita could beat yuji, but pochita would lose to sukuna.
I feel like a lot of people are gonna bring up the Black Chainsaw Man but we just gotta accept that is just not Denji, that is Pochita. The scaling for that cannot equate to actual Denji
Yeah the scaling in this vid is wanky for both characters imo
@@GunshyFever a little yeah, imma support of course but I do feel as if some of things require a decent bit more proof like Yuji being relative to Hakari
And also it’s been proven twice that denji has to be super depressed to the point that he doesn’t want to live anymore if he wants to use the black chainsaw man form
Man you guys just keep cooking with these videos. Can you do Ninjago vs Avengers ( movies ) vs Justice leage ( movies ). Everyone in their prime
I agreed but don't say yuji can't hit his soul that is one of yujis new skills he learned from Yukis Research he can see and strike the souls of people it is the reason he can weaken sukuna with every hit
well no he didn't learn that from yuki, he learned that because sukuna was inside his body and that makes him can percieve the soul better that's why only him can damaged mahito in the shibuya arc
@GavrielRosario he read the notes of Yuki. Please read the new chapters
@@Stasy809 so if he doesn't have that until after the culling game how can he the only one that can damage mahito by striking directly at his soul?
Denji got way better endurance. Man fights for days while getting ripped to shreds and casual reattaches his decapitated head like nuttin'.
devils are made to regen , sure its impressive to consistently do so but it dosent compare to someone who physically endures attacks with zero regen factors up until recently
@@rhemv The Regen doesn't change that he's enduring the pain just fine. Sounds to me you be taking about durability.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 nope im not , denji clearly takes damage and shows it visibly where as yuji hardly shows emotion mid battle
@@rhemv I'm looking at a panel of Denji sawing through his own head while talking perfectly fine and no joke saying 'Corn dogs! I wanna eat corn dogs! From, uhh… France!!'
Yuji gritting his teeth in discomfort from clean slashes ain't comparable to my man ranting about what he wants to eat while sawing through his own head.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 denji reacts to getting slashed and diced by a pocket knife from kishibe while yuji takes continuous shrine attacks from sukuna on multiple occasions not to mention the endurance of black flash attacks , nothing more to be said , while both are definitely impressive denji cannot compare to yuji , he just takes higher output and intense attacks , if you find denji to be more impressive feel free to have your own opinion.
There's one factor even if it's situational that could determine the winner. In Chainsaw Man's world, devils get stronger depending on the people's overall fear of them. Therefore, if Denji was terrifying enough to rival an Primal Devil, he virtually would be considered a deity. Even Yuji with his potential surpassed Sukuna can't compete with that. Also Primal Devil are considered unkillable too.
Just because sukuna is gone from yuji doesn’t mean he isn’t aware of his souls
Denji negs.
Typhoon makes a storm = is considered a small city level feat < shows inferiority to Reze ≈ Denji scrapes with Reze < he overpowers a stronger Santa and her dolls that previously overwhelmed him
Current Denji should at least be around sub rela for having similar infamy as the gun due to Barem and the gun can snipe Makima from 500 km in a single panel. It took three for one second to pass on the timer so 1 panel = 1/3 of a second.
500,000 m ÷ 0.3333 s = 1,500,000 m/s. Times five since this is only 20% and you get 7,500,000 m/s.
Denji should actually up scale from this by a lot since Barem's propaganda and CSM terrorism is meant to make Denji strong enough to fight the death devil who is currently the strongest devil of all.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 yuji have soul seizing punch which helps him to split two different soul in a single body and with this yuji can split chainsaw devil from denji
yuji negs
@@jackaboynaylor9273 well, Denji/Pochitas clone while weakend can keep up with Makima, who was able to catch the Darkness Devil and heavily damage it. Primal Devils are considered transcednant over all normal devils, besides Horsemen and Pochita.
Even the Gun DEvil is considered fodder to the devils that can survive in Hell, that arent even Primal Fears.
Pochita and the DArkness DEvil have been shown to travel across Hell in short time frames. There are innumerable doors in Hell and just one dorr holds a universe-sized realm in the case of the human realm door.
Darkness Devil is stated to be in another corner in Hell, by Pingtsi who has information gathering abilities, meaning he traversed a chunk of Hell in that time they arrived there.
Pochita was able to treavel to the human realm door in the space of a short conversation, while being shwon fighting Devils, that should make the Gun DEvil look like a joke.
Also, Poichita is stated to have eaten a star/sun devil and should transcend it aswell.
Devils are shown to have their concept as their base power, like the Chicken devil being stated as exactly chicken level. MEaning the star devil, ignoring the fear amps should literally be a star. With Fear amps, the Gun DEvil grew to millions of times the mass of a gun withjust 20% of its body.
And any nomral Devils being transcended would inlcude the ETernity/Infinity Devil, wich literally created an infinite relam with its own time-space.
@@nmv9453 That just means Denji becomes a far stronger than average human and let's out Pochita who negs the verse a thousand times over.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 can u explain how will they become stronger when the soul and body have split into two different being
your conversation doesn't make sense
I personally disagree with creation feat scaling. DEs are pocket dimensions formed from the person that suit their innate CT's. And incase anybody disagree, if that would be the case, then Gojo should be Universal then via DE scaling, which is obv inconsistent. The environment of the DE is kinda just for looks tldr (Also Dagon's DE is not big enough to be considered an Island, at best, it's Large Town lvl size)
Additionally, their maximum techniques aren't equal with their domains, if they can output mountain to island lvl's of AP, why use DE to amp your stats or use maximum techniques (even Gojo needed to amp his max. tech. HP to 200% w/ Uraume). Either way, you can argue solidifying Yuji to City lvl and higher with chain scaling to Gojo creating an earthquake upon him summoning, and scaling to Jogo.
Also disagree with Denji scaling to the Gun Devil, like, at all, shooting across cities ≠ city lvl AP or even the Gun Dev. crashing through a city and summoning through the forest. Pochita would only have that consideration, cause he's the most feared devil.
Also you forgot to mention that Yuji can "shake" the soul with his strikes, maybe not damaging Denji through the soul, but perhaps separating the Chainsaw Devil from Denji. And everything else shown be fine.
Yuji still able to see the soul and even talk with megumi
yuji splits up denji and his devil souls and its a easy wash
First of we’ve never seen yuji pull off they level of control plus you assume Denji dosent have some understanding of his soul even though due to verse equalization he definitely would
Don't you need consent to remove a soul from a body hence the reason he couldn't save Megumi the first time
@@GuiltyGal well that was never the point the point was to get megumi to take control of his body back by weakening sukuna enough to the point where he could but it failed because megumi mentally and physically didnt want to fight anymore
It's pretty simple yuji outscales,outhax and outspeed denji🥱🥱
Yuji:
Ap: Island lvl
Speed:sub relativistic
Denji:
Ap:town lvl
Speed:high hypersonic+
Yuji is sub sonic and town level stupid
the way you scale dagon's ap isnt right, creating a building isnt building level, creating an island isnt island level, the creation = ap is only applied when talking about celestial bodies and large amount of mass, on a small scale each feats should be individually calculated, vsbattle has a mass chart for mass creation, when the mass exceed the moon, the gravitational binding energy is used (it can be used to lower scale but its harder to calculate.)
also the way you scale gun devil ap isnt right too, shooting through city doesnt give city ap, what youre "calculating" here is dc not ap, and its not even fully city dc, you d need to wipe a whole city totally, or have a city sized explosion (ground based) to pretend city ap, even there it needs to be calculated.
If you watched the video and understood you’d realize why everything you said was mentioned
@@rhemv you never mentioned the issues with the creation feat, you only said that the curses maybe didnt scale to their domain which is very different.
you also said nothing about denji
@@finnnodiffs I said if you think yuji dosent scale to island then he would scale above after mentioned calcs , I never used the island ap regardless, and for denji it’s just common sense that the gun devil demolished multiple city blocks of a city , and that’s lowballing considering it was several cities so yeah feel free to disagree but there’s zero issues with anything provided in the video
That would be true under normal circumstances but because of how domain expansions work it should work with his AP =raw power also it's consistent with the the scale of the series
City level DC is always at least city level AP. They don't scale to their domains because of how much more energy it uses compared to their others attacks.
The darkness, devil solos, the entire JJK universe
Facts
Nice joke 🤣
@@RedLights9000-f3l it's not a joke
@@TheOvervoid2099 then I guess he's the joke
Well now that jjk is over.
The soul thing is confirmed since he was constantly harming and separating Sukuna’s soul.
Makima launched Chainsaw Man (180 cm which should be around 80 kg for the average man but he has 5 chainsaws so lets say he's 100kg) to lower orbit which is around 2000km. We dont know how long it took CSM to reach lower orbit but it had to be less than a second since we dont get a perspective and no panels depicted him accelerating. that gives us an acceleration of 4000000 m/s^2. Meaning that makima's "Bang" had 4 million joules, enough to be city level. Choso formed a binding vow to sacrifice his life in order to protect Yuji from Sukuna's Furnace, a city level attack. Yuji scales lower than denji in durability and strength but is on the same speed level
I think EoS Yuji would beat Current Denji but that can easily change since Denji's also likely gonna get a power-up before Chainsaw Man ends.
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Yuji wins even if he's fighting a weakened version of sakuna this isn't one finger or right after the fight with Gojo were he was at his weakest; sakuna right now is about 18 or 19 fingers I would say and that is impressive to keep up with considering he's above kenjaku who can handle a black hole that wouldve destroy the planet but was afraid Gojo was going to one shot him. Not on that level but being close to his level is impressive because then he's way above Jogo in ap and close in speed to kashimo attacks who can shoot em waves. That's not even counting all of his new abilities SPOILERS
like the gauntlets that hit the soul, RCT blood manipulation, fire, AND USING SUKANA CLEAVE techniques that would work on the chainsaws denji has
Kenny surviving Yuki's black hole doesn't scale him anywhere because he did it using a technique and would only be a lifting feat and probably gravity resist.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 you proved my point his body was still near the black hole and he didn't lift it he just added gravitational force show his durability and endurance play somewhere around small planetarium to multicolored and sakuna and GoJo are above him soo
@@Keith_Norman Wtf 💀 lifting countless times your weight doesn't scale you anywhere near planetary.
@@jackaboynaylor9273 I thought we went over this I never said anything about lifting I said kenjaku was inside the black hole and his durability is more or less comparable to the black hole going to destroy the planet; Gojo and sakuna are way above them
@@Keith_Norman It's not comparable because it's just a lifting feat 🤦🏾♂️ he's not tanking the energy Yuki used to make the black hole, he is resisting the gravity pulling him apart. Not the same thing.
Do you have planetary durability for resisting the Earth's gravity?
Yuji is just stronger and faster and has better hax. Nothing base denji does is doing much to yuji. Now, pochita could beat yuji, but pochita would lose to sukuna.
At this point its not even Denji vs Itadori Anymore Its Pochita vs sakuna if you include them
Debatable
@@SupBro124 denji loses But Pochita wins no diff
@@luisbalbuena5034 agreed
Nah i’d watch.