Yeah that locker room video made me tear up. Lump in throat. We know KOC had one in his. From 0 confidence, from being prepared to be a third stringer who isnt respected by the rest of the team for the rest of his life... from that to this. He was surprised when he walked in, look at him when they lift him up.... movie stuff. KOC every week saying "your quarterback did x, this is YOUR quarterback". Now he can sit back and enjoy. He created this winning "culture".
I want him to get that money. Not a Vikings fan but people don’t realize it’s the team environment that make these quarterbacks succeed. Some teams just can’t grow a quarterback. And people talking bad about him had him losing money. So I want him to get his money
@@kingDrAgOnZoRdS the niners loved him... they simply have no need as Purdy was the same play as Sam is right now. (hasn't held up) Panthers.. well... they may have kept him if it wasn't Matt Rule
As a Pats fan I can feel nothing but good for Darnold. The league literally thought this guy was finished and he came in and showed that the Jets are just a TERRIBLE franchise.
I’m a 60 yr old Viking fan, if the Vikings don’t sign him and JJ sucks,this franchise may never recover. They HAVE to sign him, let JJ sit and learn, that still works.
They did substitute that’s the thing!! But they had 13 men on the field. And then you can even see one player getting out at the bottom of the screen and that still wasn’t enough.
I wonder if Shannahan wished he still had Darnold this season. You think Lynch is having second thoughts on potentially giving Brock a 55+ million dollar per year contract?
49ers fan as well. I think Darnold is a product of a good situation great oline, rbs and wr. No fault of his own. I think this will happen for Trey Lance as well after a fewmore years in the league. I said he should have went home to Minnesota
@@rogue_KC Darnold is a product of having a coach who is actually DEVELOPING HIM. He had 5 seasons of his career wasted with teams like the Jets/Panthers that had zero clue how to develop QBs. Shannahan finally BEGAN his development last season and KOC this season continued it but also launched it into overdrive. In essence, this is actually Sam's SOPHOMORE season in terms of development, if you think about it.
@rogue_KC im not so optimistic about trey with Dallas. He fits with a team like Eagles , Chargers , Ravens , Bills . Goes to show you need a great staff to develop a qb.
To be honest more credit needs to be given to O’Connell… every qb has played their best football under his coaching, he elevates every qbs game but man darnold is playing good, but as a Vikings fan idk if I want to sign darnold for lots of money or go with rookie qb that O’Connell can coach up
I'd sign Darnold for 2 years so he can put out even more good tape and then when he leaves, he'll get an absolute monster bag from another team. And in the meantime, during those 2 years, McCarthy continues to "cook" and learn and all that behind Sam so when Sam leaves, it will be a seamless transition for him into the QB1 role.
Wait Datnold is only 27? I thought he was at least 30. He's having a franchise year and is hitting his physical prime. Hes definitely a starter in this league, hopefully for the Vikings
@marckusduverger9776 I trust the plan of building the best roster possible 2017 team had a overall great roster when the vikings felt like a championship team
The Vikings have saved the NFL’s week 18 schedule. All these guys are waaaaayyyy too late to the Minnesota bandwagon. Greeny can go back to spending an hour talking about the Jets, leave us alone and apologize when we are in New Orleans trying to end the Chiefs 3-peat.
The Jets ruined Zach like they did Datnold. But how does Sam look now with a better organization, better player and most importantly better coach/play caller? Zach got talent he has a crazy arm. Just watch him fully develop with an offensive coach.
@@deliliankramo7520 I'm still not sold on Zach as maybe he was just as much a bust as the Jets stinking. Then again, after seeing Sam do what he's doing, I'm no longer sure on Zach anymore. Who knows? Maybe he might turn it around one day. But for every Sam Darnold, there is a Blake Bortelss (sp?). And I have a feeling that Zach may end up being that.
Zach may not be as bad as we think, Jets are just a TERRIBLE organization who can’t develop QBs it seems. Also Jets had a better record with Zach last year than they do this year, granted the defense was better last year.
Jetta told us during training camp, Mcarthy isn't ready. He has to learn that not every play has to be a big play. He told us he has the young QB mindset that he has to prove he can make every play big. That the learning curve Mcarthy is go through. Cap space talk is silly. You guys really think Darnold is going to get greedy? Look at where he's been up until now. He's had no success with those other teams, that had garbage coaching staff. Vikings are setup, why leave something good, for money, look what happened to Kirk Cousins. I think 40 mill a year is reasonable.
On top of that JJ is hurt this year so he hasn't even been able to get reps in practice. Resign Sam, let JJ learn as a back up, and put some work in during practices.
When did Jets say any of that about McCarthy? Even so, Darnold seemingly goes for the big play more times than not as well. $40 mil a year is still too much due Darnold. The offense will be fine with McCarthy, bolster the roster elsewhere with the cap space.
@@kobe2curry4rose1back QBs don't barely get practice reps during the season anyway. He's still in the meeting rooms, watching film and learning. And hes doing VR reps.
Sometimes his searching for a big play backfires into a sack. However, Sam really feels comfortable in the pocket while still knowing how to squirm out of bad situations and scramble every now and then. We haven’t had the trifecta of pocket passing, scrambling ability and accuracy in any QB for over a decade. At minimum, Darnold needs the franchise tag. If he takes us to the promise land, there is no excuse; give him a contract.
If the vikings can sign darnold for around the mayfield deal they should keep him but If they cant let him walk. Paying north of 40 Million is just top expensive with Jefferson's contract also kicking in
I totally agree. They cannot overpay at that position, trying to keep our salary, cap and other salaries in line. If he wants to stay with the Vikings, it is not going to be for as much as he would get elsewhere. As good as Darnold is, I think KOC good coach the heck out of JJ McCarthy and turn him into an elite quarterback.
I get the Darnold love but to act like you guys saw this coming was laughable. He was bad and deserved the criticism, now he’s playing great and deserves the praise. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Saying he was bad and deserved the criticism is missing the point. Multiple guys have left the dumpster fires that are the panthers and Jets and performed well with better systems. You start to look at the organizations and wonder if they have any handle on things like the O-line, drafting and developing recievers, or having play-callers who know how to limit their QBs weaknesses
Carloina panthers suck tho...like really bad...and they didnt have that vikings O-line or JJ. Not sayint sign this dude to a crazy contract but i dont blame any qb that plays for the sorry ahh panthers
Darnold was in exceptionally terrible circumstances early. Bad receivers, terrible O lines and horrid coaching. He even went 4-2 on a Panthers’ team that Baker went 1-5.
@@roberthernandez1617 "Carloina panthers suck tho...like really bad...and they didnt have that vikings O-line or JJ. Not sayint sign this dude to a crazy contract but i dont blame any qb that plays for the sorry ahh panthers" >>> Sam and Baker were on the same sorry panthers in 2022. Baker went 1-6, then "left" and Sam (WITH THE SAME PLAYERS BAKER PLAYED WITH) went 4-2. He went 4-2 with no Jefferson...no Addison....No TJ Hockenson....No Aaron Jones....No Kevin O'Connell...No Josh McCown... In fact the only wide receiver worth anything that he threw to was DJ Moore. And despite all that, he almost led the team to an unlikely Playoff berth if it wasn't for bad defense against Tom Brady and his Bucs.
Yet the reason the defense got better was the cap room left over from not signing check-down kirk. So you pay Darnold and get rid of Addison, no thanks. I'm trusting KOC and a national champ on a rookie deal.
A national champ who was a game manager on a run first team with the best OL in the nation. Sam is more talented than JJ. He has proven what he can do in KOC's system. And Sam isn't just managing games, his playmaking has won the Vikes at least five close games this year.
@@ehansbrough593I fully believe JJ can do better than Darnold in this system. He's just as big, probably a little faster, and has slightly worse arm strength. Darnold is playing great, but he still has a tendency to hold onto the ball at times. Hunting for the big play is good, but sometimes you just have to take the underneath. And Darnold seemingly has no touch. Every ball is a rocket no matter how close to the receiver he is.
@CrudPig12 I am an alum of both USC and Michigan. So, I watched both Sam and JJ throughout their collegiate careers. I like JJ - he is talented and a winner (and I like that he meditates/visualizes before games). But there are levels to this...JJ is not on the same level of talent as Sam. JJ was on a team that ran the ball 60-66% of the time. That's very different than having to throw the ball 40-50 times a game and having to carry a team on your arm. Not to mention, JJ's coming off of a season-ending knee injury. Sam is playing at a Top 5 QB level rn, but he's not perfect. (I can't think of a QB who has no flaws in his game.) But Sam is 27 and he will continue to get better now that he has really good coaching - something he lacked through his first five years in this league. I am for keeping both QBs. But if you have to trade one, I would trade JJ to the Titans for picks and keep Sam.
KOC and The GM Mensa also have not gotten extensions. The Wilf's are done extending early, they want to see playoff success before signing new deals. I like the accountability tbh
same thing happened in Tampa last yr with Baker having an all-to yr on a one yr deal. He signed on a team friendly $100m over 3 yr deal, the same yr Cowboys signed Dak for $60m a season
The Vikings never do contract talks during the season, goes for coaches and players. KOC is going to get a huge extension after this season and it seems like they have to give one to Darnold now.
Under .500 as a coach on her yapping every day about people far more accomplished than him. Which is fine, nobody is beyond reproach, but coming from footsie I could care less.
@@jj7546he’s overrated asf he inherited a crazy talented defense in NY and when those players got older or asked for more money his current colleague tannebaum like a idiot traded them and both were out of a job a few years later both stink
The Vikings coach is the real story. He has made Darnold relevant and actually made Cousins not look overpaid. This guy might be the second best coach behind Andy Reid. Flat out winner!
@@midw3st845that was the plan since the draft. The only way they would have started JJ is if he out right out played Darnold and won the job. If they were close, they would've went with Darnold.
@@midw3st845 were you at practices? Cause if you were you would know already. All the coaches in every report had said Sam is the starter and that never changed.
They have to try to extend Darnold and trade Mccarthy to a QB needy team for a nice draft haul. Giants could be an option since they fell out of the top 2.
Well Dan was one of the few (if not, the only) people who believed in Darnold from the start. Don't know about the "when he's wrong" stuff as my focus is only on Darnold so....
The difference with Goff and Mayfield is that they both were pretty good at one point in their career before their resurgence. Mayfield made the Browns relevant, but was playing hurt on a poorly coached team, and Goff had gotten really good under McVay until he decided to completely switch to a style that didn't fit Goff...Darnold was never good. I know the teams were bad, but he was terrible. If I'm Darnold I'm doing absolutely everything in my power to stay in Minnesota, because they have some of the best pieces in the league and a coach who puts in plays specifically for his QB.
@royaltigercaraudio9282 Dak and Trevor got more than mahomes and they're mediocre. Even kirk got a 4yr 180mil, 100mil guaranteed with his injury and age and about to get cut. It'll just depend on Sam. He hasn't gotten paid so I think he might just go for the money here if a team will give alot.
hasnt rex ryan leanred from elite qb daniel jones? vikings would be foolish to sign him to a long term deal after one good season. tag him and if he repeats this year's performance then sign him to a baker contract like 2-3 years at 120 with 80 guaranteed. while jj is under the rookie contract and intent on starting playing him in 4th year to see how he does to pick up his 5th year or extend him.
It makes pretty logical sense for them to keep him. I mean, they acquired a 30 year old Kirk Cousins and had him all the way until this year and he’s 36 and if I remember correctly, they intended on keeping him until he left and then we have Sam here who’s 27 they can sign him for at least 3 years off the strength of that logic alone, the man has pulled an achievement that no other Viking QB has and will possibly elaborate more on that very achievement depending on how the Lions game goes
And that's why he's on ESPN and not a coach. Vikings sign Darnold for $40m-$50m/year for multiple years and they're doomed. We just got out from under Kirk's contract to get better on defense just to get tied into another Kirk-like contract. And let's not forget, we don't get AVG, Greenard, and Cashman if we made the mistake of extending Kirk.
Keenum has Thielen and Diggs, you would think they have kept him and built around for the next qb, but oh no, here comes the high priced Cousins the year after.
You say "The Vikes were looking for their QB of the future" but that's not quite correct. They were looking for a good QB on a rookie play scale so they could build a dynasty team. It's very important to NOT pay a high priced QB until that team is built for him. The Vikes - good as they have played so far - still do not have that level of team.
Vikings fan here. Most qbs do well under our regime. Rather keep it cheap & allocate our cap towards other important positions. We have a rookie qb ready.
It's all about what you're willing to risk and what Darnold asks for. If Sam is willing to take the tag or a discount, keep rolling with him and give your future QB time to heal and (if necessary) change his game in a no pressure environment
By "crumbled", you mean when he got injured from having a bad OL and having no weapons after Christian goes down and the Panthers trade away his TE, etc.?
I feel people are still waiting on the Sam Darnold fallout where I don’t see it happening. Dude was with two of the worst organizations ever in the Jets and Panthers that have NO CLUE on how to develop a quarterback let alone build around the position. Glad Sam is showing that he always had the talent!
When u are a quarterback behind a bad team u are gonna look horrible but even Brock purdy looks like a star being the qb of San Fran and that’s why Sam Darnold looks so good he’s on a team with talent make him the quarterback of a winless team everyone saw how that turned out when he played with the jets & panthers
IMO the Vikings are in a unique position at QB. I think Darnold needs the Vikings more than they need him. Kwesi can offer Sam less because Minn has coaching and weapons. He could get more elsewhere but he might end up like he was with the Jets. He needs good coaching.
Completely agree I'll go further: if I were Darnold, I would take less money. Learn everything you possibly can from KOC. Then possibly move on (if the Vikings really want to move off him). One more year of this and Sam can pick his own number. AND let's not forget Sam is relatively young. He could ride here for a couple of years (I'd say 2 maybe 3) then they could elevate McCarthy
Yeah? And what if Shanahan is interested? Or Steichen? He's gonna get paid regardless. You might as well give up on that fantasy. That's like talking about trading away mid players on big contracts to teams for 1st round picks. Pie in the sky hopium.
@@KnightVision68 Sam could have some serious trade value. I could see them signing Sam to some serious $£€ and when McCarzhy is healthy and capable, then trade him. How about x2 1st round picks?
Franchise darnold and make a run and figure out what you have in JJ the next few years. We have five years with the rookie qb contract, he’s not going anywhere.
Vikings Fan sine the Purple People Eaters days. Today retired clinical psychologist. Guys are Great, Rex you were a great coach and 100% correct, keep Darnold. Last week you were hesitant Coach. So who are you taking; "Vikings or Lions" for all of the Marbles? My guess is that ur going to take the banged up Lions. Your probably right. Not because I don't trust Sam. This team is different from any other team in the entire NFL. Many were considered disposable by other teams or written off like Darnold. I was lucky enough to play division one football, NOT nearly good enough to compete at this level. Has anyone who's ever played at an elite level or been inside a locker room so tight? These dudes love and respect eachother, every guy on the Roster and coaching staff. It would be a fairytale ending after so many years of high expectations. My only trepidation is us Old Diehard Vikings Fans having our hearts broken one more time. Lots of respect for Dan Campbell and Detroit as well. Lions fans have suffered thru a lot of hard years. If the Vikings don't win it. It would be Skol for the Lions
Sam is yet another of endless examples of where a QB get drafted and surrounded by plays a big impact to their success. And shows why Jets will never be considered a well run organization.
everyone and I mean EVERYONE was telling me that Sam Darnold was a bust. 100% a bust. I need everyone to keep that same energy when Caleb Williams rules over the league on another team. everyone’s eating crow and now wanting to jump on the bandwagon, stay off of it. you’re completely fake. and SAS is a clownboy who still doesn’t believe in Sam Darnold
Darnold spent 5 years climbing out of a dumpster, he isn't going back to any chaotic dumpster fire teams so forget Vegas, Giants, Jets, or Saints. I would say Carolina too but looks like Bryce is panning out.
Hear me out, Vikings: Have both Darnold and McCarthy Seahawks: Need a future QB Why not send McCarthy to Seattle for a first. Vikings have their QB and get there pick back to do with what they want. Seattle gets a QB that’s probably better than all of the ones coming out of college in the next two years
They also have apotential rehab project/bridge QB in Daniel Jones. They are in the drivers seat but they need to make the right decision whatever it is. Can't let it go south from here.
@@tbrown9491 I like Dahmus's idea and if they keep Sam, they can also keep Daniel Jones on-board as his backup. That way you have experience under center no matter what. This team especially offensively is built to win NOW and we need to go for it because with McCarthy there will be at least 2 seasons wasted for his growing pains and development that would cause the start of our SuperBowl window to CLOSE for us. The time is NOW. Vikings cannot be cheap at this point.
A lot of teams have a rule to not discuss contract stuff during the season. It was the same thing they did with JJ. We have to totally reassemble our defense to keep him and it could cost as keeping Addison. It’s not clear cut. It’s a good problem to have but Rex is wrong acting like it’s obvious. I trust KOC to coach JJ McCarthy up look at Kirk’s career with the Vikings and without and same with darnold.
If Sam gives MN a discount... 40-50 mil... you now have a number 3 over all QB talent for the type of salary TB was taking in NE to win multiple titles... dynasty incoming...
@@KnightVision68 oh yeah, I personally think JJ will turn into a stud under KOC. But I think his floor his being a serviceable starter for 4 years. I'd rather take a chance in that over paying Darnold.
@@CrudPig12 Does a "serviceable starter" win Superbowls? I can recall only one "serviceable starter" in all my history of watching NFL SuperBowls who won and that was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens.
@@oel734 that's what I think his floor is. And yeah, with our current weapons and the additions we'd be able to add on both sides of the ball, I think they could win a SB with a serviceable starter. I think he'll be better than Darnold in this offense, maybe not next year, but by year 2 starting. I'd rather take that risk than throw money at Darnold. He is solid, but he is not elite.
They dont need to sign danold before the end of the season. Theres still big games left, and if he doesn't produce there, how good is he really? Silly question they know to wait till the year is over before jumping into crazy contracts.
I love when people say give him the Baker contract. Lol that ain't happening. Heck Baker would have gotten more if they knew Baker was going to be this slightly above avaerage
It was a timing issue...Do you really think that the Vikings would have drafted JJ McCarthy after what Sam demonstrated this season? Sam is more talented than JJ. The Vikings need to resign Sam no matter what. They can either continue to develop JJ, or trade him to the Titans for picks.
@@ehansbrough593how do you even know Darnold is better? We haven't seen what JJ can do. For as good as Darnold's been playing, he still has flaws.And they'd be trading JJ for pennies if they traded him next year. They won't recoup the draft capital they used.
Dang I feel so good for Sam Darnold. Almost made me cry
Yeah that locker room video made me tear up. Lump in throat. We know KOC had one in his. From 0 confidence, from being prepared to be a third stringer who isnt respected by the rest of the team for the rest of his life... from that to this. He was surprised when he walked in, look at him when they lift him up.... movie stuff. KOC every week saying "your quarterback did x, this is YOUR quarterback". Now he can sit back and enjoy. He created this winning "culture".
The best story in the NFL this season. Only thing better would be Mahomes in the Suoer Bowl
@@melvindavis2735 Why would you ruin a good story like that
I teared up. He is him
I want him to get that money. Not a Vikings fan but people don’t realize it’s the team environment that make these quarterbacks succeed. Some teams just can’t grow a quarterback. And people talking bad about him had him losing money. So I want him to get his money
I love what BB said about Darnold. "Only the Jets didn't like Sam Darnold."
The panthers and 49ers also 😂
@@kingDrAgOnZoRdS the niners loved him... they simply have no need as Purdy was the same play as Sam is right now. (hasn't held up) Panthers.. well... they may have kept him if it wasn't Matt Rule
As a Pats fan I can feel nothing but good for Darnold. The league literally thought this guy was finished and he came in and showed that the Jets are just a TERRIBLE franchise.
They have ruined so many QBs 😂 It’s unbelievable. Can’t even handle Rodgers at this point. 😂
Sam is only 27 too. People be thinking he's alot older
June 5th 1997.......depressed Jets fan here.
He was drafted when he was 21
For real? Honestly, I thought he was older. 😂
He just looks older, being on the Jets & Panthers aren't good for the wrinkles, bags, and crows feet.
That locker room scene really hit me in the feels..dang.
that's what sports SHOULD be. it's a fairytale, with magical moments!
that game against detroit is gonna be wild
Epic game....playoff game atosmepher....
I’m a 60 yr old Viking fan, if the Vikings don’t sign him and JJ sucks,this franchise may never recover. They HAVE to sign him, let JJ sit and learn, that still works.
I am 62 years old
All those years of winning and losing never won Superbowl 😢
Give him a two or three year deal.
could be a 1 year wonder
He’s trash lol
The 12 men on the field shouldn't have been a penalty. GB substituted and MN wasn't allowed to sub which is against the rules.
They did substitute that’s the thing!! But they had 13 men on the field. And then you can even see one player getting out at the bottom of the screen and that still wasn’t enough.
Vega said make it close. So many fake penalties in the 4th.
49er fan here. Rooting for Darnold. I knew he had that dog in him.
I wonder if Shannahan wished he still had Darnold this season. You think Lynch is having second thoughts on potentially giving Brock a 55+ million dollar per year contract?
49ers fan as well. I think Darnold is a product of a good situation great oline, rbs and wr. No fault of his own. I think this will happen for Trey Lance as well after a fewmore years in the league. I said he should have went home to Minnesota
@@rogue_KC Darnold is a product of having a coach who is actually DEVELOPING HIM.
He had 5 seasons of his career wasted with teams like the Jets/Panthers that had zero clue how to develop QBs.
Shannahan finally BEGAN his development last season and KOC this season continued it but also launched it into overdrive.
In essence, this is actually Sam's SOPHOMORE season in terms of development, if you think about it.
@rogue_KC im not so optimistic about trey with Dallas. He fits with a team like Eagles , Chargers , Ravens , Bills . Goes to show you need a great staff to develop a qb.
Why don't dey play Trey week 18??
To be honest more credit needs to be given to O’Connell… every qb has played their best football under his coaching, he elevates every qbs game but man darnold is playing good, but as a Vikings fan idk if I want to sign darnold for lots of money or go with rookie qb that O’Connell can coach up
I'd sign Darnold for 2 years so he can put out even more good tape and then when he leaves, he'll get an absolute monster bag from another team.
And in the meantime, during those 2 years, McCarthy continues to "cook" and learn and all that behind Sam so when Sam leaves, it will be a seamless transition for him into the QB1 role.
@@oel734lmao no why would you sign him? Lmao
Yeah, Kevin O’Connell is a flatout awesome coach!
@@skywalker2759 14 wins and the way the locker room loves him, that's why!
@@skywalker2759 bruh if the Vikings let him walk there's going to be like five teams knocking
I loved seeing KOC admire the lockerroom celebration before his speech
Loving this locker room moment!
Wait Datnold is only 27? I thought he was at least 30. He's having a franchise year and is hitting his physical prime. Hes definitely a starter in this league, hopefully for the Vikings
U sign him after the season. No distractions.
No lmao it’s one year
No jj mccsrthy would do much better with these Receivers
@DannyMiller-e7l: I trust Kevin O’Connell, whatever decision he wants to make. He knows how to bring out these guys potential
@marckusduverger9776 I trust the plan of building the best roster possible 2017 team had a overall great roster when the vikings felt like a championship team
Tell Greeny talk about the Jets
Weak comment
The Vikings have saved the NFL’s week 18 schedule. All these guys are waaaaayyyy too late to the Minnesota bandwagon. Greeny can go back to spending an hour talking about the Jets, leave us alone and apologize when we are in New Orleans trying to end the Chiefs 3-peat.
Duck Tampa then.
@@rickjustus6416 , the Buccaneers haven't been the same since Brady left.
@@rickjustus6416lmao who is scared of Tampa hahaha
@heatgrimm8664 everyone lol. We already beat Detroit, Philadelphia and Washington. Nice try
@@rickjustus6416 lmao cope. Tampa is trash
Im happy for Sam
Orlovsky: I love it when everyone told me Sam stunk. Says the guy who was all about the jets drafting Zach Wilson
Dan rides every qb. They could be terrible and he will ride for them.
The Jets ruined Zach like they did Datnold. But how does Sam look now with a better organization, better player and most importantly better coach/play caller?
Zach got talent he has a crazy arm. Just watch him fully develop with an offensive coach.
@@deliliankramo7520 I'm still not sold on Zach as maybe he was just as much a bust as the Jets stinking.
Then again, after seeing Sam do what he's doing, I'm no longer sure on Zach anymore.
Who knows? Maybe he might turn it around one day.
But for every Sam Darnold, there is a Blake Bortelss (sp?). And I have a feeling that Zach may end up being that.
@@deliliankramo7520bro stfu he wasn’t never good lol he got drafted because he’s white
Zach may not be as bad as we think, Jets are just a TERRIBLE organization who can’t develop QBs it seems. Also Jets had a better record with Zach last year than they do this year, granted the defense was better last year.
Jetta told us during training camp, Mcarthy isn't ready. He has to learn that not every play has to be a big play. He told us he has the young QB mindset that he has to prove he can make every play big. That the learning curve Mcarthy is go through. Cap space talk is silly. You guys really think Darnold is going to get greedy? Look at where he's been up until now. He's had no success with those other teams, that had garbage coaching staff. Vikings are setup, why leave something good, for money, look what happened to Kirk Cousins. I think 40 mill a year is reasonable.
On top of that JJ is hurt this year so he hasn't even been able to get reps in practice. Resign Sam, let JJ learn as a back up, and put some work in during practices.
Vikes and Darnold will almost certainly figure something out. They want him, the fans want him, and he wants to stay.
He will take less to stay with this team but don’t under pay him he deserves his bag
When did Jets say any of that about McCarthy? Even so, Darnold seemingly goes for the big play more times than not as well. $40 mil a year is still too much due Darnold. The offense will be fine with McCarthy, bolster the roster elsewhere with the cap space.
@@kobe2curry4rose1back QBs don't barely get practice reps during the season anyway. He's still in the meeting rooms, watching film and learning. And hes doing VR reps.
Sometimes his searching for a big play backfires into a sack. However, Sam really feels comfortable in the pocket while still knowing how to squirm out of bad situations and scramble every now and then. We haven’t had the trifecta of pocket passing, scrambling ability and accuracy in any QB for over a decade.
At minimum, Darnold needs the franchise tag. If he takes us to the promise land, there is no excuse; give him a contract.
Finally, a successful USC QB!
Carson Palmer?
SKOL TO THE BOWL
I got teary eye for this feel good team, they deserve to keep Sam Darnold and be a scary team for years to come!
If the vikings can sign darnold for around the mayfield deal they should keep him but If they cant let him walk. Paying north of 40 Million is just top expensive with Jefferson's contract also kicking in
I totally agree. They cannot overpay at that position, trying to keep our salary, cap and other salaries in line. If he wants to stay with the Vikings, it is not going to be for as much as he would get elsewhere. As good as Darnold is, I think KOC good coach the heck out of JJ McCarthy and turn him into an elite quarterback.
I get the Darnold love but to act like you guys saw this coming was laughable. He was bad and deserved the criticism, now he’s playing great and deserves the praise. Stop trying to rewrite history.
Saying he was bad and deserved the criticism is missing the point. Multiple guys have left the dumpster fires that are the panthers and Jets and performed well with better systems. You start to look at the organizations and wonder if they have any handle on things like the O-line, drafting and developing recievers, or having play-callers who know how to limit their QBs weaknesses
Sam has been great ALL YEAR. SKOL 💜
Carloina panthers suck tho...like really bad...and they didnt have that vikings O-line or JJ. Not sayint sign this dude to a crazy contract but i dont blame any qb that plays for the sorry ahh panthers
Darnold was in exceptionally terrible circumstances early. Bad receivers, terrible O lines and horrid coaching. He even went 4-2 on a Panthers’ team that Baker went 1-5.
@@roberthernandez1617 "Carloina panthers suck tho...like really bad...and they didnt have that vikings O-line or JJ. Not sayint sign this dude to a crazy contract but i dont blame any qb that plays for the sorry ahh panthers"
>>> Sam and Baker were on the same sorry panthers in 2022. Baker went 1-6, then "left" and Sam (WITH THE SAME PLAYERS BAKER PLAYED WITH) went 4-2.
He went 4-2 with no Jefferson...no Addison....No TJ Hockenson....No Aaron Jones....No Kevin O'Connell...No Josh McCown...
In fact the only wide receiver worth anything that he threw to was DJ Moore.
And despite all that, he almost led the team to an unlikely Playoff berth if it wasn't for bad defense against Tom Brady and his Bucs.
Sam darnold looks like the QB the jets have always been looking for. It’s a shame he was never ever on the team.
Yet the reason the defense got better was the cap room left over from not signing check-down kirk.
So you pay Darnold and get rid of Addison, no thanks. I'm trusting KOC and a national champ on a rookie deal.
A national champ who was a game manager on a run first team with the best OL in the nation. Sam is more talented than JJ. He has proven what he can do in KOC's system. And Sam isn't just managing games, his playmaking has won the Vikes at least five close games this year.
@@ehansbrough593I fully believe JJ can do better than Darnold in this system. He's just as big, probably a little faster, and has slightly worse arm strength. Darnold is playing great, but he still has a tendency to hold onto the ball at times. Hunting for the big play is good, but sometimes you just have to take the underneath. And Darnold seemingly has no touch. Every ball is a rocket no matter how close to the receiver he is.
A Baker Mayfield deal wouldn’t hurt them at all
@CrudPig12 I am an alum of both USC and Michigan. So, I watched both Sam and JJ throughout their collegiate careers. I like JJ - he is talented and a winner (and I like that he meditates/visualizes before games). But there are levels to this...JJ is not on the same level of talent as Sam. JJ was on a team that ran the ball 60-66% of the time. That's very different than having to throw the ball 40-50 times a game and having to carry a team on your arm. Not to mention, JJ's coming off of a season-ending knee injury. Sam is playing at a Top 5 QB level rn, but he's not perfect. (I can't think of a QB who has no flaws in his game.) But Sam is 27 and he will continue to get better now that he has really good coaching - something he lacked through his first five years in this league. I am for keeping both QBs. But if you have to trade one, I would trade JJ to the Titans for picks and keep Sam.
How would they get lose Addison when he’s in the second year of his rookie deal?
KOC and The GM Mensa also have not gotten extensions. The Wilf's are done extending early, they want to see playoff success before signing new deals. I like the accountability tbh
same thing happened in Tampa last yr with Baker having an all-to yr on a one yr deal. He signed on a team friendly $100m over 3 yr deal, the same yr Cowboys signed Dak for $60m a season
They wanna see the playoffs results, but even then, I think Darnold getting a 2 year 65 million dollar deal would be amazing if MN could pull it off.
The contracts come down to how everyone feels about it not just the owners that’s why I like our new GM he respect people thoughts and feelings
The Vikings never do contract talks during the season, goes for coaches and players. KOC is going to get a huge extension after this season and it seems like they have to give one to Darnold now.
Keep Sam AND JJMC!! Sam is the PERFECT bridge for a promising young rookie!!
Rex Ryan is a sucker. Changes his opinions drastically every week. Talks trash on other coaches non stop cause he's mad he can't get a job.
Under .500 as a coach on her yapping every day about people far more accomplished than him. Which is fine, nobody is beyond reproach, but coming from footsie I could care less.
His opinion about feet never change though.
Who did Rex have as QB? Look at what happened to belichick when Brady left. Rex is a good coach who never had a good QB ever
@@jj7546he’s overrated asf he inherited a crazy talented defense in NY and when those players got older or asked for more money his current colleague tannebaum like a idiot traded them and both were out of a job a few years later both stink
The saying in football used to be your 2nd best player should be the backup QB
I remember that- but that was Back when they were allowed to 'hit' hit the QB
Franchise tag him..then maybe sign him later. Whole team is better with lower qb contract. Give him a another yr to prove for monster contract
Sam Darnold deserves the Kirk Cousins type contract, but realistically I say we give him a 2 year, 50-60M contract and continue to build up JJ
Love didn't miss that 4th and 2, he hit the receiver in the hands
He didn't convert it, get over it
@@TheDeadJester Was he supposed to go to the receiver to help him catch it or what? LOL
@@stephanea5364he was supposed to play better than the 10 million dollar qb
@@averygreen2244 The topic is that 4th and 2, try to follow, it's not that hard LOL
Love didn't play good enough to win, bottom line.
I do have to wonder if Kirk cousins would be doing just as good in this situation. He played incredibly well in his time with the Vikings
Resign Sam darnold for 2-3 years at 45-50 mill a year and then see what you got with jj McCarthy after that .
The Vikings coach is the real story. He has made Darnold relevant and actually made Cousins not look overpaid. This guy might be the second best coach behind Andy Reid. Flat out winner!
“If the Packers had won all the games that they lost, they’d be the 1 seed.”
Thanks, Dan Orlovsky. That is solid logic. 👍
Fun fact that ESPN seems not to know for whatever reason. SAM DARNOLD WAS ALWAYS GOING TO START THIS YEAR EVEN IF JJ WAS HEALTHY TO START THE SEASON.
You don't know that at all for a sure thing or not, I was personally at practices were you???
@@midw3st845the coaches all said that was the case when they drafted jj. I would say we can be pretty sure it would've been the case
@@midw3st845that was the plan since the draft. The only way they would have started JJ is if he out right out played Darnold and won the job. If they were close, they would've went with Darnold.
@@midw3st845 were you at practices? Cause if you were you would know already. All the coaches in every report had said Sam is the starter and that never changed.
Then why a one year contract?
Vikings love their quarterbacks.
Imagine if Darnold wins the superbowl his first season with the Vikings.
Always weird when a youtube video from a major network cuts off mid sentence, clearly before the segment was over. Sloppy editing.
Vikings should Franchise Tag him and offer him the Baker type of contract if he wants to cash out, tag and trade him.
Go for darnold being on the Vikings
GREAT FOR SAM DARNOLD
They have to try to extend Darnold and trade Mccarthy to a QB needy team for a nice draft haul. Giants could be an option since they fell out of the top 2.
What if Sam bums out next year tho
Gianrs fan here, that aint gonna happen, as bad we’re ran we’ll go after & overpay Kirk Cousins. & then we’ll draft a power forward.
This dude was cast out by the Jets and Carolina. That should tell you everything you need to know.
Dan always gotta take credit for something he said most ppl didn’t, but when he’s wrong crickets 🦗
Well Dan was one of the few (if not, the only) people who believed in Darnold from the start. Don't know about the "when he's wrong" stuff as my focus is only on Darnold so....
@@oel734Dan is going to defend every QB though. Dude projects hard.
Let Sam walk. Said all Bears, Packers and lions fans
The difference with Goff and Mayfield is that they both were pretty good at one point in their career before their resurgence. Mayfield made the Browns relevant, but was playing hurt on a poorly coached team, and Goff had gotten really good under McVay until he decided to completely switch to a style that didn't fit Goff...Darnold was never good. I know the teams were bad, but he was terrible. If I'm Darnold I'm doing absolutely everything in my power to stay in Minnesota, because they have some of the best pieces in the league and a coach who puts in plays specifically for his QB.
Key phrase; the teams were bad, what he did in spot duty in SF told you what he could do if he had a decent line and a true number 1 receiver
Sammy Dinero could finish the season with 4500 yds and 40 TDs! Last time an athlete put up this type of monster numbers with a new team was Ohtani!
It’s called 3 phases Vikings offense/ Defense/ is legit the special teams is not hopefully the kicker doesn’t cost them to lose in the playoffs.!!
Minnesota needs to sign Sam Darnold to a 3 yr 120 million dollar contract
It would depend on the guarantee money I think. A desperate team will prob give him that 120mil fully guaranteed if not more
@@8thGenn That’s more than Patrick Mahomes
they dont have $120 thats the problem
Then say good bye to that absolute menace of a defense.except Gilmore he csn go, cuz he gets beat to often a game
@royaltigercaraudio9282 Dak and Trevor got more than mahomes and they're mediocre. Even kirk got a 4yr 180mil, 100mil guaranteed with his injury and age and about to get cut. It'll just depend on Sam. He hasn't gotten paid so I think he might just go for the money here if a team will give alot.
hasnt rex ryan leanred from elite qb daniel jones? vikings would be foolish to sign him to a long term deal after one good season. tag him and if he repeats this year's performance then sign him to a baker contract like 2-3 years at 120 with 80 guaranteed. while jj is under the rookie contract and intent on starting playing him in 4th year to see how he does to pick up his 5th year or extend him.
It makes pretty logical sense for them to keep him. I mean, they acquired a 30 year old Kirk Cousins and had him all the way until this year and he’s 36 and if I remember correctly, they intended on keeping him until he left and then we have Sam here who’s 27 they can sign him for at least 3 years off the strength of that logic alone, the man has pulled an achievement that no other Viking QB has and will possibly elaborate more on that very achievement depending on how the Lions game goes
I say they sign him to a two year deal, since jj might not even be ready next year, due to the torn acl. Let him heal up and see what darnold can do.
Minnesota is going to the Super Bowl
@@mikeflorence31 wow you must be a genius
@@mikeflorence31 and your point is? They were predicting last place for this team in the preseason
How about a Vikings/Chiefs SB? Full circle from the first one between these two. Many moons ago.
Lions
And that's why he's on ESPN and not a coach. Vikings sign Darnold for $40m-$50m/year for multiple years and they're doomed. We just got out from under Kirk's contract to get better on defense just to get tied into another Kirk-like contract. And let's not forget, we don't get AVG, Greenard, and Cashman if we made the mistake of extending Kirk.
helps when you have two number ones at wr Jefferson and Addison, and Hockenson
Keenum has Thielen and Diggs, you would think they have kept him and built around for the next qb, but oh no, here comes the high priced Cousins the year after.
I'm team JJ and nothing will change that view except a SB but I'm not longer out on keeping Darnold around for another year.
When K.O.C said Sam best football is ahead of him I felt that
Would love to see Darnold on the Rams after they tag him.
Bro has 67.8% pass completion this year! 🤯
I love the design.
JJ welcome to the Giants
You say "The Vikes were looking for their QB of the future" but that's not quite correct. They were looking for a good QB on a rookie play scale so they could build a dynasty team. It's very important to NOT pay a high priced QB until that team is built for him. The Vikes - good as they have played so far - still do not have that level of team.
Vikings fan here. Most qbs do well under our regime. Rather keep it cheap & allocate our cap towards other important positions. We have a rookie qb ready.
a rookie QB with a washed knee
Stop it no QB has played as well as Darnold has for you guys. Letting him go would be a terrible move.
@@JDHookEmhow many people said that about Kirk? Mullens can move the ball in this offense. JJ will be fine.
It's all about what you're willing to risk and what Darnold asks for.
If Sam is willing to take the tag or a discount, keep rolling with him and give your future QB time to heal and (if necessary) change his game in a no pressure environment
He won't walk out. Franchise tag him and see him play the same or better next year, then pay the man long term.
Happy for Sam. I liked him in Carolina but he crumbled after losing teammates to injuries. Hope he is able to hold onto that job.
By "crumbled", you mean when he got injured from having a bad OL and having no weapons after Christian goes down and the Panthers trade away his TE, etc.?
Trade JJ to the Jets for that pick and build the team around Sam
as vikes fan, my vote is resign Sam. its not like Sam has gotten "lucky" this season.
I feel people are still waiting on the Sam Darnold fallout where I don’t see it happening. Dude was with two of the worst organizations ever in the Jets and Panthers that have NO CLUE on how to develop a quarterback let alone build around the position.
Glad Sam is showing that he always had the talent!
When u are a quarterback behind a bad team u are gonna look horrible but even Brock purdy looks like a star being the qb of San Fran and that’s why Sam Darnold looks so good he’s on a team with talent make him the quarterback of a winless team everyone saw how that turned out when he played with the jets & panthers
Darnold's 10M contract had a guarantee he would start the entire year with "a" draft pick filling in when needed but not starting.
IMO the Vikings are in a unique position at QB. I think Darnold needs the Vikings more than they need him. Kwesi can offer Sam less because Minn has coaching and weapons. He could get more elsewhere but he might end up like he was with the Jets. He needs good coaching.
Completely agree
I'll go further: if I were Darnold, I would take less money. Learn everything you possibly can from KOC. Then possibly move on (if the Vikings really want to move off him).
One more year of this and Sam can pick his own number.
AND let's not forget Sam is relatively young. He could ride here for a couple of years (I'd say 2 maybe 3) then they could elevate McCarthy
who doesn't need good coaching, genius
Yeah? And what if Shanahan is interested? Or Steichen?
He's gonna get paid regardless. You might as well give up on that fantasy. That's like talking about trading away mid players on big contracts to teams for 1st round picks. Pie in the sky hopium.
@@KnightVision68 Sam could have some serious trade value. I could see them signing Sam to some serious $£€ and when McCarzhy is healthy and capable, then trade him. How about x2 1st round picks?
It is mutual agreement. Sam wants to stay, Vikings want him back. I think they can come to an agreement, so they can keep other players.
Franchise darnold and make a run and figure out what you have in JJ the next few years. We have five years with the rookie qb contract, he’s not going anywhere.
Vikings Fan sine the Purple People Eaters days. Today retired clinical psychologist. Guys are Great, Rex you were a great coach and 100% correct, keep Darnold. Last week you were hesitant Coach. So who are you taking; "Vikings or Lions" for all of the Marbles? My guess is that ur going to take the banged up Lions. Your probably right. Not because I don't trust Sam. This team is different from any other team in the entire NFL. Many were considered disposable by other teams or written off like Darnold. I was lucky enough to play division one football, NOT nearly good enough to compete at this level. Has anyone who's ever played at an elite level or been inside a locker room so tight? These dudes love and respect eachother, every guy on the Roster and coaching staff. It would be a fairytale ending after so many years of high expectations. My only trepidation is us Old Diehard Vikings Fans having our hearts broken one more time. Lots of respect for Dan Campbell and Detroit as well. Lions fans have suffered thru a lot of hard years. If the Vikings don't win it. It would be Skol for the Lions
Rex Ryan flip-flop king yesterday he picked Packers to win.
he also sneaked dissed Darnold early in the season 🤡
I would give him a 2 year deal 70mil 40mil guaranteed. McCarthy is only 21 years old still very young let him watch and learn another year
This is the year of the underdogs. Sam Darnold deserves this after what the Jets and Panthers did to him. Clown franchises.
Sam is yet another of endless examples of where a QB get drafted and surrounded by plays a big impact to their success.
And shows why Jets will never be considered a well run organization.
I get why they not extending him right away.
Christian ponder.... Kirk cousins.... won 13 games etc
everyone and I mean EVERYONE was telling me that Sam Darnold was a bust. 100% a bust. I need everyone to keep that same energy when Caleb Williams rules over the league on another team. everyone’s eating crow and now wanting to jump on the bandwagon, stay off of it. you’re completely fake. and SAS is a clownboy who still doesn’t believe in Sam Darnold
JJ McCarthy to the Raiders for their first round pick.
No
Darnold spent 5 years climbing out of a dumpster, he isn't going back to any chaotic dumpster fire teams so forget Vegas, Giants, Jets, or Saints. I would say Carolina too but looks like Bryce is panning out.
@@anaihilator I agree. I said JJ McCarthy to the raiders not Darnold. If I'm Minnesota I'm keeping Darnold
That's why Rex is an analyst still and not a coach
You also drafted mark sanchez so idk
Hear me out,
Vikings: Have both Darnold and McCarthy
Seahawks: Need a future QB
Why not send McCarthy to Seattle for a first. Vikings have their QB and get there pick back to do with what they want. Seattle gets a QB that’s probably better than all of the ones coming out of college in the next two years
They also have apotential rehab project/bridge QB in Daniel Jones. They are in the drivers seat but they need to make the right decision whatever it is. Can't let it go south from here.
@@tbrown9491 I like Dahmus's idea and if they keep Sam, they can also keep Daniel Jones on-board as his backup. That way you have experience under center no matter what.
This team especially offensively is built to win NOW and we need to go for it because with McCarthy there will be at least 2 seasons wasted for his growing pains and development that would cause the start of our SuperBowl window to CLOSE for us.
The time is NOW. Vikings cannot be cheap at this point.
A lot of teams have a rule to not discuss contract stuff during the season. It was the same thing they did with JJ. We have to totally reassemble our defense to keep him and it could cost as keeping Addison. It’s not clear cut. It’s a good problem to have but Rex is wrong acting like it’s obvious. I trust KOC to coach JJ McCarthy up look at Kirk’s career with the Vikings and without and same with darnold.
If I were the GM, the reception from Darnold's teammates would be enough for him to be rewarded accordingly!
I agree with twinkle toes!
If Sam gives MN a discount... 40-50 mil... you now have a number 3 over all QB talent for the type of salary TB was taking in NE to win multiple titles... dynasty incoming...
$40-$50 mil a year is a discount? Let him walk, JJ will be fine.
@CrudPig12 Don't disagree but he could be more than fine. He could be in a great situation (if he does indeed have the talent level).
@@KnightVision68 oh yeah, I personally think JJ will turn into a stud under KOC. But I think his floor his being a serviceable starter for 4 years. I'd rather take a chance in that over paying Darnold.
@@CrudPig12 Does a "serviceable starter" win Superbowls? I can recall only one "serviceable starter" in all my history of watching NFL SuperBowls who won and that was Trent Dilfer with the Ravens.
@@oel734 that's what I think his floor is. And yeah, with our current weapons and the additions we'd be able to add on both sides of the ball, I think they could win a SB with a serviceable starter. I think he'll be better than Darnold in this offense, maybe not next year, but by year 2 starting. I'd rather take that risk than throw money at Darnold. He is solid, but he is not elite.
Rex just straight lying 2 weeks ago he was saying the vikings and sam were basically frauds LOL.
They dont need to sign danold before the end of the season. Theres still big games left, and if he doesn't produce there, how good is he really? Silly question they know to wait till the year is over before jumping into crazy contracts.
I love when people say give him the Baker contract. Lol that ain't happening. Heck Baker would have gotten more if they knew Baker was going to be this slightly above avaerage
So what are you doing with the guy you took in the Top 10 last Draft? I'm sure he wasn't drafted to sit behind Sam Darnold.
It was a timing issue...Do you really think that the Vikings would have drafted JJ McCarthy after what Sam demonstrated this season? Sam is more talented than JJ. The Vikings need to resign Sam no matter what. They can either continue to develop JJ, or trade him to the Titans for picks.
@@ehansbrough593how do you even know Darnold is better? We haven't seen what JJ can do. For as good as Darnold's been playing, he still has flaws.And they'd be trading JJ for pennies if they traded him next year. They won't recoup the draft capital they used.