Finally some honesty about aim assist. I’ve fought so many battles about this topic. Pretty sure the aim assist craze is misinformation spread by cheaters with legit aim bots to take some heat away from them. Cause my aim assist doesn’t do jack sh*t for my horrible aim.
Yes, there are cheating tools that can manipulate shot accuracy, making it difficult to detect perfect 100% accuracy just by looking at their profile or something. Also a way around some forms of cheat detection. I'm sure tons of people used cheats and claimed it was just controller aim assist
Your just a brain dead bot because aim assist is definitely broken I play both input and on mnk I barely get more than 6 kills on controller I don’t do anything and beam the whole lobby 😂
I play on mouse and keyboard but this still happens to me way more than I’d like to admit where it’s a 1v1 and I miss every single shot but get the kill
Pure Human input sure, but aim assist doesn’t have an off day, doesn’t get tilted, always consistent. It’s easy to whiff all shots in mnk, if that happens on controller, then you’re just fighting aim assist. Not to mention the other benefits of AA that makes tracking easier, slows aim, basically no aim punch, less visual clutter. I play both input n it only took me less than 100hrs to be better on controller compared to my years of mnk. And I play on Genburten’s settings. U can check my Apex video.
bro anyone who is mad about aim assist hasn’t ACTUALLY tried on both imputs. if you set down the roller like I did and tried to genuinely get good on mnk you will find aiming is way harder and takes longer to get good at. I used both….controller kills are free about 60% of the time. if ur not good ur not good. but controller makes aiming fucking eaaasy
My favorite thing ever is getting in a gun fight with someone as bad as me because eventually we need to reload and we just say fck it and start throwing punches while we wait for a teammate to probably help us clean up 😂😂😭
4/3 linear is so popular and so good because of the consistency, especially with ads to hip fire, you can learn to use aim assist more effectively with strafing, essentially using the fact that it assists you when an opponent is strafing on the opposite side of your crosshair. At some point to get to a high level of aim you learn how to abuse that, I know that because I use it and that tracking is very very good. But this is at a high level and takes practice. I do believe it needs a slight nerf as a controller player with over 3000 hours.
i played both for more than several years and can say that the skill cap of mnk is way more higher you can kill more player with less effort on roller but your able to reach higher heights on mnk if you really put that 1% more effort in it
I play on console with controller and let me tell you the AA on there is STRONG. Everyone has a heavy beam. Aim assist on pc is 0.4 which is a lot less strong because that means it’s only assisting 40% percent of your aim out of 100%. On console the value is set to 0.6 by default. The easiest way to notice the difference is to turn AA off and see how much harder it is to follow directional changes. It’s not something easy to notice though so you might have to record your self with a hand cam and slow down the footage to visually see the game react before you do. But let me say that AA is not the problem, it’s rotational aim assist, because you still have to actually be trying to hit your shot. It’s just that rotational aim assists follows your target when they strafe left, right, up, or down as long as it senses any slight movement from your stick. So if you have a very small deadzone, your stick is basically always moving even when you aren’t try to move it. This will activate aim assist and you will automatically be able to track someone strafing crazily because the game starts following the enemy before you even register in your mind that they changed directions. That’s why controller players are always beaming everybody. Because you simply can’t out strafe a controller unless you are moving faster than their aim settings allow them to track you (try this in the range with bots set to random strafe, and it’s no crouching, and you’ll see what I mean) And let me say, technically aim assist is not needed in gaming any more. It’s only mean to slow down your aim so it’s easier to get more precise aim when looking at somebody. But if you just use Linear settings and a slow enough aim speed, it would be still be possible to track accurately. It’s harder to track on classic sense because the responce curve is a not 1:1 like the movement of a mouse which does exactly what you tell it to do when you move your arm. But with linear, the stick will do A exactly what your thumb tells it to do without making the tiny movements slower. It’s more like aiming in real life, it’s intuitive
The Wii proved 15 years ago aim assist didn’t need to be a thing on consoles with ir camera aiming. Now we have gyro and instead of players wanting to use it they want to complain that “All we have is sticks, what do you want us to do?”. You wanna know why the Wii’s IR camera didn’t succeed? Aim assist.
I play Xbox and I’ve played games on apex where I can’t see the enemy hiding and my crosshairs will stick or draw towards them so it’s definitely not aimbot but it helps a lot especially if your blind like me😂
As a MnK convert from being a 30 year controller player, Mouse and key board is harder to play. Yes the mouse makes aiming easier but the left hand keyboard skill is something to respect.
Thank you for actually breaking it down. This is a struggle we console players go through, but it wouldn't be a problem if they didn't force cross play
Dude everything takes skill, you don’t have to worry about the term “no skill” it’s just used to show that those who use it are just mad bc they ain’t having fun. You are playing controller and having fun that’s the most important part :) (and respawn are the ones controlling it after all)
The only problem is close range smg battles. In that 9.5/10 times a controller player will beat an mnk player. Other than that not really an issue as most people have made it
The wingman on roller takes skill. Your character was facing straight at the enemy in every interaction, regardless of if your shots were hitting. This is a case of needing to lead shots not a flaw of AA.
I'm pretty much the opposite of an expert, but I feel like there's no way to have aim assist balanced properly if it's in the same lobbies as mnk. If the aa is strong then it will take less practice to get proficient (not saying it doesn't take skill) but if it's too weak then you'll never be able to keep up with good mnk players no matter how much you practice.
Fellow M&k warrior (I used to play Xbox) aim assist is definitely effects more than you think the reason those weren't hitting was because both were single shot you need to hit a few shot to slow then down and then the aim assist truly shows itself like if you had and smg or ar that guy would have been dead
Out of the top 1000 r5 reloaded players pc players have an average accuracy of around 25 percent while controller players have an average accuracy of around 36 percent that’s a huge difference. And out of the top 100 players on the leaderboard only 4 of them are on keyboard and mouse
And say I didn’t even have those stats. There is a reason why 80 percent of apex algs players are on controller. And why every kbm player has and is switching to controller
aa dependent on fps, ping, sensitivity ( alc vs normal classic/linear. and you have to know that rotational aa is broken that normal right joystick rotation. i’ve played on kbm the last 3 years and hop on roller every once in a while and from my experience i can literally feel the aa in all of my gunfights which also throws me off completely. normal aa while not moving isn’t good, rotational aa with your left joystick (moving left or right) is the problem imo
AA actually is annoying if your opponent doesn't stay still, it locks onto them for a split second and slows down your sensitivity, so trying to kill a moving target constantly locking onto them instead of aiming in front is difficult.
I am so glad that I'm not the only one saying this, everyone I have an argument about this with has always brought up apex's aim assist and it just gets annoying since it usually gets the argument no where
@@Mojikaji nobody said aim assist made you "good". and the assist is not "HUGE". its just a misconception to blame aim assist everytime you lose a gunfight even if you cannot validate that they are in fact controller. controller without aim assist is literally aiming with just your thumb. in this this case, you mnk players get assisted by your forearm and mousepad. mousepad anchoring your wrist and forearm for jitter aim plus course adjustment
@@MarioMario-vy4bi I practice without aim assist regularly and still frag most players so it's not a reaction/aim issue for me. I just never developed high skill with mnk because I only had my first computer 2 years ago, so I choose to use controller because that's what I played with my whole life.
i know what u mean but as a roller player i def think aim assist Almost doesnt take skill def takes some but aim assist def carrys . play on roller with no aim assist for a week.. its hell an using a pk or shot guns is even harder without aim assist an i made to gold without aim assist an im plat with aim assist. controller def SOMeHWAT aims for u its deffinetly not a argument tht controller is op. ppl can just hop on a roller an with right position an recoil easy gun u can def beam if aim assist got removed half roller players wouldnt even be able to beam
i agree with mande aim assist in this game is bascially cheating . mnk is better aim than roller if u def dont have aim assist on roller but obv with aa roller has better aim up close . i think aim assist should be nerfed i would really wanna see ppls raw aim over aim assisted aim when ppl say rollerr is hard but takes way more hours to learn mnk than roller and roller litteraly has OP tracking . i played a week with no aim assist on roller an i wanted to cry
High refresh rates are what makes it broken, for some reason aim assist gets stronger on higher frame rates, if they made it consistent across frame rates nobody would be complaining after the .6 nerf
I would argue that semi auto isnt the best on controller as the aim assist doesnt really help you lock on for quick burst dmg. Its real power comes out with full auto sprays where the assist helps with locking on a target as well as controlling recoil for easy beams. As an M&K player that tried playing on console, this was the 1st thing i noticed. While it aint aimbot, its still quite strong.
This video reminds me why i stopped playing Apex Something about this game in particular makes me feel like every damn bullet misses my target Legit every gun fight feels off compared to almost every other shooting game ive played
This is my issue with apex too. You can unload two clips into someone and do no damage, but someone else with the same gun will knock you in 2 or 3 shots. They always say "sync issues" or blame it on wifi or servers, that is on them to fix those issues, not us. Other games don't have the problem this one shouldn't either.
@tribalmotor I play Fortnite with my Son pretty regularly I get sweaty at times and not once has my fight felt ruined by shots not registering (unless I have a shit ton of lag which is expected then) Same with CoD or R6 or even Titanfall 2 which this game comes from but in Apex its all over the place
This video proves nothing you can “turn off” the aim assist in the settings for one and if this was the case then explain me this one simple thing…why did majority of the player base swap from MNK to roller including THE PROFESSIONALS ?
nah on roller the best setting is 4-3 classic not 4-3 linear. i know theres a strong argument for linear being better than classic but as an overall repsonse curve, classic is better for using 4-3 and linear is better when you are using alc's with relatively high sens on them.
TRUE!!! I hate it when people call us aimboters because we use controllers. For me it's mote comfortable to use and I feel more relaxed. But I don't feel over powered when using it.
Controller aim assist can actually fuck You if you’re close quarters with multiple enemies. I’ve had it drag me away from a player that I am aimed in on and just has me shooting at nothing. And it’s so close quarters you don’t really have time to adjust
1500 hrs apex on mnk almost never one clip someone with smg and on controller with around 30 hrs on it happens al the time. Long range is way harder for me on controller but close combat is for sure much easier on controller
1/4 controller players has better accuracy than 99.7% of mouse and key board players R5 released stats 4 of the top 1000 players were MNK. Its an issue. Also controller causes more long term damage to your hands than MNK I dont usually complain about aim assist but i dont thonk it should be the preferred input, especially for pro play where people are putting in 10-14 hour days.
Ok maybe, but I still it’s a little too strong. I usually play on Xbox so against other roller players and it’s usually beams from the enemy and me. But when I played with my mnk buddies, I found it so easy to beam the enemies, while they tickled me.
As a controller player it does aim for you lol. Although 4-3 classic is better than 4-3 linear for newer players. One of my friends literally picked up controller for a day on those settings and started beaming. I have played on ALCs for over 2000 hours and when I swapped to those settings it felt like I didn't have to do anything, could literally play with my eyes closed. The only time where being a controller player is a struggle is if you are on console playing with crazy input lag.
I play with low sensitivity when aiming. When i have to turn fast while aming i spam the Left trigger to half aim and half look around. So its no problem for me
People need to know that aim assist only works when your opponent is moving slowly, when they're jumping up and down doing wall jumps tap strafing whatever its not gonna do a fuck!ng thing
Glad I’m not the only one on roller struggling with the Wingman this season. I feel like I have a pretty damn good shot until you put this gun in my hands. I used to hit way more shots with much worse aim, I don’t know why.
Pros and high ranking players are the only ppl that complain about aim assist because at that level there is a difference trust me. When I first started playing apex with roller, I didn’t even know there was aim assist as I never hit my shots even up close 😅😅
@@WyattM117 controller players can wall bounce but tap strafing was taken away and mnk has way more opportunity, they just want to complain about controller
@@Mojikaji Neither can be balanced no or light aim assist will lose to mnk but strong aim assist will anihalate mmk console and pc should just have separate player pools
What am i missing? I keep seeing people with 3 other team mates. Where is this mode? I haven't played in a week. I booted it up earlier but didn't see the game mode
It’s quads mode!!! Is a new game mode, but you gotta update that game before you can play it! If you have already updated the game, you will find quads listers under trios
Its depending on whats programmed for the game AA was nerfed in apex but its still strong which is still the reason y comp teams still run full controller inputs and orginally mnk pros swap for controller....bc advantage, AA is much more apparent in cod but again its what the devs choose for the game ...but everyone here?? "iT dOeSnT wOrK fOr mE sO iTs nOt VaLiD"
Anybody can pick up a controller and be good.Hell my 5 year old kid does not everybody can pick up mouse and keyboard and be good instantly that's a higher skill gap
I used to play controller my whole life. Switched to MnK two years ago. I’m 28 and have been playing video games for 20+ years. Aim assist literally aims for you. It’s ok if you have a bad game. That’s happens. But to discredit the opinion of those without it makes you look like a child. If you are bad WITH aim assist, that’s ok. Don’t act like a while demographic of people are “stupid” because you didn’t hit your shots. It’s a CRUTCH. Thus why Imperial Hal switched to controller and many other MnK professionals. Aim assist is OP. NO DEBATE.
Respectfully, aim assist against players who don’t have aim assist is just cheating. If you’re missing that many shots with aim assist, it’s a you problem if not knowing how to use aim assist to your advantage. I understand how thumbsticks just aren’t great for aiming so a little aim assist is needed. Thing is it’s just too strong in apex. So either cut back the strength of aim assist, or just separate the lobbies cause it’s actually ridiculous. And this video’s anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. The fact is there are accuracy stats out there that show just how busted aim assist is. And that’s done through studies and investigation, not one random bad fight you had. That being said, love the content, keep it up man
I’d personally rather play on Mnk rather than controller but I’m kinda stuck with controller now because apex xbox said “fuck you” to trying to play Xbox Mnk for apex 😂
the advantage of aim assist isnt in increasing your first shot accuracy its about providing a higher average percentage of accuracy with continuous fire, mnk pro's are in the mid to high 30% for shots hit where as controllers average about 70% if you get the aim on first shot it does do most of the work for you and i dont see the skill in a set and forget win button that you learn to leverage.
I came from controller it is basically aimbot when you lock onto your opponent. It literally tracks for you I have shown alot of people how to use auto tracking (aimassist) properly.
When I tried controller it took some getting used to, you literally have to play around the aim assist, in the clip you aren’t even using it properly. Minimally moving the joystick and let it do the rest instead of large movements.
Dude for me it’s literally lag aim is nothing to me I’ve played and got a 2k without aim assist cuz I train without aim assist, they just need to make apex better lol
Controller definitely takes practice. But definitely is better and easier when it comes to aim. Movement wise I feel like a bot. But aim wise I’m still beaming sometimes better than on my mnk and I suck at roller!
I’ve been trying to figure out why I suck sometimes and realized my controller was the issue. I get better performance using ps5 on PC but when it gets hairy I accidentally punch during engagements lol
As a mnk only player that also play mobile shooting games, some aim assist actually sucks, I turned off my aim assist on my pubg mobile, why? Because yeah it "Assists" you with aiming, but it doesn't know when to and how to, it just kinda lock into target when you're not shooting, and then lock into anything else but the target as soon as you start actually shooting them So yeah I haven't tried apex's implementation on aim assist to understand why the community makes such a fuss about it, I guess it's just a better version of my mobile game aim assist, but then again, you have very limited functionality on rollers than you do on mnk, it's kinda fair I guess
Top 10,000 R5RPlayers by Playtime From 2/22/24 to 6/22/ Average Accuracy By Input Controller: 33.57% MnK: 25.72% Controller players avg accuracy is 30.5% higher. 1/4 roller players have higher accuracy than 99.93% of MnK p Top 3 Controller Accuracy Evolved Xander: 51.10% (Overall Accuracy Rank #1) SSG_Koy: 47.71% (Overall Accuracy Rank #2) WINTERKMINJEON: 47.02% (Overall Accuracy Rank #3) Top 3 MnK Accuracy KAZUMAwantan: 38.9% (Overall Accuracy Rank #391) kokinz: 37.7% (Overall Accuracy Rank #619) UnstableArmor: 36.73% (Overall Accuracy Rank #902) Average KD By Input Controller: 1.15 MnK:.87 Controller players avg KD is 31.5% higher. For all you clowns saying aim assist is not op
@@FirstSpokenGaming I guess aim assist was OP since the developers nerfed it and said it was strong in the patch note.Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong.-Devs
It's not that aim assist aims for you. But controller is truly op in a lot of situations (i'm a controller player btw). Take 2 players, one on mnk and the other on controller. If they have spray guns like havoc or volt especially, and similar skill in aim, the controller player will hit a slight percentage more of their shots. That slight percentage might not some that crazy but when you apply that across thousands of fights and games, you'd see that controller players have a sort of easy way to always have the upper hand on mnk players. It still requires skill, you can't have horrible aim and still beat a talented mnk player. But if you're close in skill, controller will close the gap for you.
Aim assist is literally made to assist controller players because controllers aren't as precise as MNK. I don't get the hate for aim assist on console, it's on every fps game and Apex players are the only ones I've seen complain
trust, if you missed this many shots with controller you wouldn’t have hit a single one on m&k. how is “i missed almost every shot and still won” an argument FOR controller? lmfao
No one is disputing that MnK takes more raw skill than controller. This issue is people claiming that aim assist does all the work for you. If you play on console long enough, you'd realize this isn't true. Aim assist would carry every working man/woman who only plays 8-10hrs a week to a high K/D if that were the case.
@@timkelly6463 If you play on console, you're only playing against other people with aim assist, that's a dead argument. I don't think aim assist aims for you, I played thousands of hours on controller. But it does track for you. Once your crosshairs are over an enemy, aim assist will INSTANTLY respond to changes in direction. Faster than any pro M&K player is even physically capable of doing. That's why it's OP, it removes the entire point of strafing. But also, yes, people are disputing that M&K takes more raw skill.
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“We both suck!” lol 😂
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That was the answer, aim assist can’t help that random spray and pray shiddy aim 😂
Finally some honesty about aim assist. I’ve fought so many battles about this topic. Pretty sure the aim assist craze is misinformation spread by cheaters with legit aim bots to take some heat away from them. Cause my aim assist doesn’t do jack sh*t for my horrible aim.
😂😂 This should be PROOF that it doesn’t aim for you but instead ASSISTS you since all you have is two little nubs to move around
Yes he always says the truth
Honestly I have to factor it into my recoil like it's a regular shot lmao and if you don't you'll be lucky if you hit half
Yes, there are cheating tools that can manipulate shot accuracy, making it difficult to detect perfect 100% accuracy just by looking at their profile or something. Also a way around some forms of cheat detection.
I'm sure tons of people used cheats and claimed it was just controller aim assist
Your just a brain dead bot because aim assist is definitely broken I play both input and on mnk I barely get more than 6 kills on controller I don’t do anything and beam the whole lobby 😂
I play on mouse and keyboard but this still happens to me way more than I’d like to admit where it’s a 1v1 and I miss every single shot but get the kill
🤣🙌 It really just shows us as gamers gotta be on our A-Game. Otherwise we gonna wiff no matter the input
Pure Human input sure, but aim assist doesn’t have an off day, doesn’t get tilted, always consistent. It’s easy to whiff all shots in mnk, if that happens on controller, then you’re just fighting aim assist. Not to mention the other benefits of AA that makes tracking easier, slows aim, basically no aim punch, less visual clutter. I play both input n it only took me less than 100hrs to be better on controller compared to my years of mnk. And I play on Genburten’s settings. U can check my Apex video.
bro anyone who is mad about aim assist hasn’t ACTUALLY tried on both imputs. if you set down the roller like I did and tried to genuinely get good on mnk you will find aiming is way harder and takes longer to get good at. I used both….controller kills are free about 60% of the time. if ur not good ur not good. but controller makes aiming fucking eaaasy
Played both and love the feel and design on Controller 🙌 MnK it not fun for my hands while playing a video game
My favorite thing ever is getting in a gun fight with someone as bad as me because eventually we need to reload and we just say fck it and start throwing punches while we wait for a teammate to probably help us clean up 😂😂😭
As a Titanfall 2 player who uses wingman elite from time to time, I felt those whiffs man 😂
Man good to see even you miss da wingman shots 😂
All the time my friend! 😂🤝 You’re not alone!
4/3 linear is so popular and so good because of the consistency, especially with ads to hip fire, you can learn to use aim assist more effectively with strafing, essentially using the fact that it assists you when an opponent is strafing on the opposite side of your crosshair. At some point to get to a high level of aim you learn how to abuse that, I know that because I use it and that tracking is very very good. But this is at a high level and takes practice. I do believe it needs a slight nerf as a controller player with over 3000 hours.
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Try to get closer and make use of an SMG
i played both for more than several years and can say that the skill cap of mnk is way more higher you can kill more player with less effort on roller but your able to reach higher heights on mnk if you really put that 1% more effort in it
I play on console with controller and let me tell you the AA on there is STRONG. Everyone has a heavy beam. Aim assist on pc is 0.4 which is a lot less strong because that means it’s only assisting 40% percent of your aim out of 100%. On console the value is set to 0.6 by default. The easiest way to notice the difference is to turn AA off and see how much harder it is to follow directional changes. It’s not something easy to notice though so you might have to record your self with a hand cam and slow down the footage to visually see the game react before you do.
But let me say that AA is not the problem, it’s rotational aim assist, because you still have to actually be trying to hit your shot. It’s just that rotational aim assists follows your target when they strafe left, right, up, or down as long as it senses any slight movement from your stick. So if you have a very small deadzone, your stick is basically always moving even when you aren’t try to move it. This will activate aim assist and you will automatically be able to track someone strafing crazily because the game starts following the enemy before you even register in your mind that they changed directions. That’s why controller players are always beaming everybody. Because you simply can’t out strafe a controller unless you are moving faster than their aim settings allow them to track you (try this in the range with bots set to random strafe, and it’s no crouching, and you’ll see what I mean)
And let me say, technically aim assist is not needed in gaming any more. It’s only mean to slow down your aim so it’s easier to get more precise aim when looking at somebody. But if you just use Linear settings and a slow enough aim speed, it would be still be possible to track accurately. It’s harder to track on classic sense because the responce curve is a not 1:1 like the movement of a mouse which does exactly what you tell it to do when you move your arm. But with linear, the stick will do A exactly what your thumb tells it to do without making the tiny movements slower. It’s more like aiming in real life, it’s intuitive
The Wii proved 15 years ago aim assist didn’t need to be a thing on consoles with ir camera aiming. Now we have gyro and instead of players wanting to use it they want to complain that “All we have is sticks, what do you want us to do?”. You wanna know why the Wii’s IR camera didn’t succeed? Aim assist.
I play Xbox and I’ve played games on apex where I can’t see the enemy hiding and my crosshairs will stick or draw towards them so it’s definitely not aimbot but it helps a lot especially if your blind like me😂
As a MnK convert from being a 30 year controller player, Mouse and key board is harder to play. Yes the mouse makes aiming easier but the left hand keyboard skill is something to respect.
He's right, Everyone just makes stuff up about AA overall
MnK does bring up interesting points but NOT when it comes to “Aimbot” 😂
Thank you for actually breaking it down. This is a struggle we console players go through, but it wouldn't be a problem if they didn't force cross play
Dude everything takes skill, you don’t have to worry about the term “no skill” it’s just used to show that those who use it are just mad bc they ain’t having fun. You are playing controller and having fun that’s the most important part :) (and respawn are the ones controlling it after all)
This happened to me. 1v1, we both suck that time. We made peace. Then, a random granade appeared we both died at the same time to a 3rd party. 😅
😂😂 Too funny
The only problem is close range smg battles. In that 9.5/10 times a controller player will beat an mnk player. Other than that not really an issue as most people have made it
The wingman on roller takes skill. Your character was facing straight at the enemy in every interaction, regardless of if your shots were hitting. This is a case of needing to lead shots not a flaw of AA.
I'm pretty much the opposite of an expert, but I feel like there's no way to have aim assist balanced properly if it's in the same lobbies as mnk. If the aa is strong then it will take less practice to get proficient (not saying it doesn't take skill) but if it's too weak then you'll never be able to keep up with good mnk players no matter how much you practice.
Hahaha 😂😂 this is what I look like every single time I pick up the Wingman haha
Fellow M&k warrior (I used to play Xbox) aim assist is definitely effects more than you think the reason those weren't hitting was because both were single shot you need to hit a few shot to slow then down and then the aim assist truly shows itself like if you had and smg or ar that guy would have been dead
The only time i notice my aim assist is when im walking past a downed opponent, and my screen slowly snaps to them.
Out of the top 1000 r5 reloaded players pc players have an average accuracy of around 25 percent while controller players have an average accuracy of around 36 percent that’s a huge difference. And out of the top 100 players on the leaderboard only 4 of them are on keyboard and mouse
And say I didn’t even have those stats. There is a reason why 80 percent of apex algs players are on controller. And why every kbm player has and is switching to controller
aa dependent on fps, ping, sensitivity ( alc vs normal classic/linear. and you have to know that rotational aa is broken that normal right joystick rotation. i’ve played on kbm the last 3 years and hop on roller every once in a while and from my experience i can literally feel the aa in all of my gunfights which also throws me off completely. normal aa while not moving isn’t good, rotational aa with your left joystick (moving left or right) is the problem imo
AA actually is annoying if your opponent doesn't stay still, it locks onto them for a split second and slows down your sensitivity, so trying to kill a moving target constantly locking onto them instead of aiming in front is difficult.
I am so glad that I'm not the only one saying this, everyone I have an argument about this with has always brought up apex's aim assist and it just gets annoying since it usually gets the argument no where
Well aiming with guns like wingman and pk do take skill but if u had an ar like the 301 or flatline that’s beam city easily
Facts! People need to stop complaining and just get good.
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You have ai assisting you. That doesn’t make you “good” it’s not aimbot but it really doesn’t matter it is a HUGE assist
@@Mojikaji nobody said aim assist made you "good". and the assist is not "HUGE". its just a misconception to blame aim assist everytime you lose a gunfight even if you cannot validate that they are in fact controller. controller without aim assist is literally aiming with just your thumb. in this this case, you mnk players get assisted by your forearm and mousepad. mousepad anchoring your wrist and forearm for jitter aim plus course adjustment
The existence of gyro aim invalidates the thumb argument. Controllers players use aim assist because they are bad at aiming and reacting
@@MarioMario-vy4bi I practice without aim assist regularly and still frag most players so it's not a reaction/aim issue for me. I just never developed high skill with mnk because I only had my first computer 2 years ago, so I choose to use controller because that's what I played with my whole life.
Hey Man! I take a lot of your advice for Apex BTW but what would you prefer for a Plat player: 4:4 Classic or 4:3 Linear?
i know what u mean but as a roller player i def think aim assist Almost doesnt take skill def takes some but aim assist def carrys . play on roller with no aim assist for a week.. its hell an using a pk or shot guns is even harder without aim assist an i made to gold without aim assist an im plat with aim assist. controller def SOMeHWAT aims for u its deffinetly not a argument tht controller is op. ppl can just hop on a roller an with right position an recoil easy gun u can def beam if aim assist got removed half roller players wouldnt even be able to beam
i agree with mande aim assist in this game is bascially cheating . mnk is better aim than roller if u def dont have aim assist on roller but obv with aa roller has better aim up close . i think aim assist should be nerfed i would really wanna see ppls raw aim over aim assisted aim when ppl say rollerr is hard but takes way more hours to learn mnk than roller and roller litteraly has OP tracking . i played a week with no aim assist on roller an i wanted to cry
@@FilosophyskategroupI’d love to see a game mode with nerfed aim assist and no tap strafing on mnk
Bet all the controller players would 100% cry more
@@billybob-fw3vr defintely real skill is hard to come by bc ppl just wanna cheese or easy way out an the better players suffer for it
it’s knowing when to hip
i make this mistake all the time
when it’s a close fight always hip with the wing
you’ll land more consistent shots
High refresh rates are what makes it broken, for some reason aim assist gets stronger on higher frame rates, if they made it consistent across frame rates nobody would be complaining after the .6 nerf
I would argue that semi auto isnt the best on controller as the aim assist doesnt really help you lock on for quick burst dmg. Its real power comes out with full auto sprays where the assist helps with locking on a target as well as controlling recoil for easy beams. As an M&K player that tried playing on console, this was the 1st thing i noticed. While it aint aimbot, its still quite strong.
This video reminds me why i stopped playing Apex
Something about this game in particular makes me feel like every damn bullet misses my target
Legit every gun fight feels off compared to almost every other shooting game ive played
Make sure to check your sync settings. And if you’re playing on TV or WiFi? I def. Don’t recommend that
This is my issue with apex too. You can unload two clips into someone and do no damage, but someone else with the same gun will knock you in 2 or 3 shots. They always say "sync issues" or blame it on wifi or servers, that is on them to fix those issues, not us. Other games don't have the problem this one shouldn't either.
@tribalmotor I play Fortnite with my Son pretty regularly
I get sweaty at times and not once has my fight felt ruined by shots not registering (unless I have a shit ton of lag which is expected then)
Same with CoD or R6 or even Titanfall 2 which this game comes from but in Apex its all over the place
This video proves nothing you can “turn off” the aim assist in the settings for one and if this was the case then explain me this one simple thing…why did majority of the player base swap from MNK to roller including THE PROFESSIONALS ?
I remember when I was younger.
Everyone complained about how much better mouse and keyboard was.
If you have your response curve on zero on alc it’s way more snappy and can lock on easily
How long have you played cos your op either way
10K hours on this game 😂 literally just showed me how much I SUCK when I lack sleep.
@@FirstSpokenGamingthe lack of sleep part is real
Bro I Agree… stop nerfing controllers… it getting to the point controller wont be playable
nah on roller the best setting is 4-3 classic not 4-3 linear. i know theres a strong argument for linear being better than classic but as an overall repsonse curve, classic is better for using 4-3 and linear is better when you are using alc's with relatively high sens on them.
TRUE!!! I hate it when people call us aimboters because we use controllers. For me it's mote comfortable to use and I feel more relaxed. But I don't feel over powered when using it.
Controller aim assist can actually fuck You if you’re close quarters with multiple enemies. I’ve had it drag me away from a player that I am aimed in on and just has me shooting at nothing. And it’s so close quarters you don’t really have time to adjust
1500 hrs apex on mnk almost never one clip someone with smg and on controller with around 30 hrs on it happens al the time. Long range is way harder for me on controller but close combat is for sure much easier on controller
Controller has aim assist, mnk doesnt have aim assist, period. Still love your content.
Agreed! And thank you, glad you enjoy 👊 I was just talking about aimBOT in the video lol
1/4 controller players has better accuracy than 99.7% of mouse and key board players
R5 released stats
4 of the top 1000 players were MNK.
Its an issue.
Also controller causes more long term damage to your hands than MNK
I dont usually complain about aim assist but i dont thonk it should be the preferred input, especially for pro play where people are putting in 10-14 hour days.
Ok maybe, but I still it’s a little too strong. I usually play on Xbox so against other roller players and it’s usually beams from the enemy and me. But when I played with my mnk buddies, I found it so easy to beam the enemies, while they tickled me.
It isn’t OP as they make it out to be 😂
@@FirstSpokenGaming yeah maybe not op, but a bit strong imo🤷♂
As a controller player it does aim for you lol. Although 4-3 classic is better than 4-3 linear for newer players. One of my friends literally picked up controller for a day on those settings and started beaming. I have played on ALCs for over 2000 hours and when I swapped to those settings it felt like I didn't have to do anything, could literally play with my eyes closed.
The only time where being a controller player is a struggle is if you are on console playing with crazy input lag.
i never understood how controller was “aimbot”. the only thing that helps ppl remotely is the aim assist in those close quarters fights
I play with low sensitivity when aiming. When i have to turn fast while aming i spam the Left trigger to half aim and half look around. So its no problem for me
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I would say for shy ar or smg, controller shoots for you not for a single shot weapon like the wingman 😊
People need to know that aim assist only works when your opponent is moving slowly, when they're jumping up and down doing wall jumps tap strafing whatever its not gonna do a fuck!ng thing
Ur wrong. I play apex and its got strong aim assist.
Glad I’m not the only one on roller struggling with the Wingman this season. I feel like I have a pretty damn good shot until you put this gun in my hands. I used to hit way more shots with much worse aim, I don’t know why.
On mouse it’s easier snap on to enemies while Controller you need to have fine movement on your thumb to do that
100% easier to miss on mnk lol
Pros and high ranking players are the only ppl that complain about aim assist because at that level there is a difference trust me. When I first started playing apex with roller, I didn’t even know there was aim assist as I never hit my shots even up close 😅😅
Mnk players act like controller is aim bot but then they will hit harder shots and still have all the movement in the world
Yuppppp 🤣🙌
I've seen controller players tapstrafe and wall bounce.
@@WyattM117 controller players can wall bounce but tap strafing was taken away and mnk has way more opportunity, they just want to complain about controller
@@thevalkmainyouhatebillgo play mnk for a few weeks then you’ll come back and tell me aim assist is overpowered when you find out how much you miss it
@@billybob-fw3vr i won't cause I'll have too much fun learning mnk movement and dieing in funny ways cause I'm trash 🤣
Controller you use a thumb, a mouse your whole hand you decide which one has more control
Really doesn’t matter. If you have ai assisting you your gonna win
@@Mojikaji Neither can be balanced no or light aim assist will lose to mnk but strong aim assist will anihalate mmk console and pc should just have separate player pools
What am i missing? I keep seeing people with 3 other team mates. Where is this mode? I haven't played in a week. I booted it up earlier but didn't see the game mode
It’s called quads! It’s a limited time LTM! 🤘
It’s quads mode!!! Is a new game mode, but you gotta update that game before you can play it! If you have already updated the game, you will find quads listers under trios
I dont know if anybody remembers the crackdown games but i like to imagine that what pc sweats think aim assist is
I have only tried mnk once and my aim was equal if not better, I just won’t switch because I’m used to movement and everything on controller
Its depending on whats programmed for the game AA was nerfed in apex but its still strong which is still the reason y comp teams still run full controller inputs and orginally mnk pros swap for controller....bc advantage, AA is much more apparent in cod but again its what the devs choose for the game ...but everyone here?? "iT dOeSnT wOrK fOr mE sO iTs nOt VaLiD"
As a controller player aim assist definitely helps alot but just like mnk you still need to be good at the game
Respect that.
I hate it i cant turn it off cant find it. My character turn when he shouldnt
Just unleash your inner pathfinder
Anybody can pick up a controller and be good.Hell my 5 year old kid does not everybody can pick up mouse and keyboard and be good instantly that's a higher skill gap
controller is easier to get good( not saying automaticly) but to master mnk its takes skill more
I used to play controller my whole life. Switched to MnK two years ago. I’m 28 and have been playing video games for 20+ years. Aim assist literally aims for you. It’s ok if you have a bad game. That’s happens. But to discredit the opinion of those without it makes you look like a child. If you are bad WITH aim assist, that’s ok. Don’t act like a while demographic of people are “stupid” because you didn’t hit your shots. It’s a CRUTCH. Thus why Imperial Hal switched to controller and many other MnK professionals. Aim assist is OP. NO DEBATE.
Enemy’s in videos so bad everytime. If I start a round I get sandwiched by 2 teams as soon as possible
m&k complaining about aim assist is really low IQ considering that they can plug almost any controller into a pc.
Mouse players actually want to play the game. Controller players don’t.
Mnk players be whining when they can just neostrafe so hard that aim assist becomes meaningless
Respectfully, aim assist against players who don’t have aim assist is just cheating. If you’re missing that many shots with aim assist, it’s a you problem if not knowing how to use aim assist to your advantage. I understand how thumbsticks just aren’t great for aiming so a little aim assist is needed. Thing is it’s just too strong in apex. So either cut back the strength of aim assist, or just separate the lobbies cause it’s actually ridiculous. And this video’s anecdotal evidence is just that, anecdotal. The fact is there are accuracy stats out there that show just how busted aim assist is. And that’s done through studies and investigation, not one random bad fight you had. That being said, love the content, keep it up man
1/4 of controller players have greater accuracy than 99.97% of MnK players.
Yet somehow many many controller players have a K/D of under 1 and lose a ton of fights.
I play on controller with custom sens, using one of genburtens old settings. It feels like i have almost no aim assist at all, literally none.
If a PC player complains about controller aim assist, that means they just suck
if anything, MNK has the upper hand in like.. every fucking aspect.
my problem is when aim assist finally works. It pulls my aim away and making me miss shots because it’s trying to help too much.
I’d personally rather play on Mnk rather than controller but I’m kinda stuck with controller now because apex xbox said “fuck you” to trying to play Xbox Mnk for apex 😂
Up close aim assist doesn’t apply
the advantage of aim assist isnt in increasing your first shot accuracy its about providing a higher average percentage of accuracy with continuous fire, mnk pro's are in the mid to high 30% for shots hit where as controllers average about 70% if you get the aim on first shot it does do most of the work for you and i dont see the skill in a set and forget win button that you learn to leverage.
You were using single fire guns aim assist is sticky when using a full auto. It helps you track not snap to the target.
Assist? Yes 😄🙌 Aimbot? Absolutely not 😂
I came from controller it is basically aimbot when you lock onto your opponent. It literally tracks for you I have shown alot of people how to use auto tracking (aimassist) properly.
When I tried controller it took some getting used to, you literally have to play around the aim assist, in the clip you aren’t even using it properly. Minimally moving the joystick and let it do the rest instead of large movements.
Dude for me it’s literally lag aim is nothing to me I’ve played and got a 2k without aim assist cuz I train without aim assist, they just need to make apex better lol
I’m a roller player and I wif all my shots, I even sing a little I’m a potatoe because I can’t hit my shots all the time
Controller definitely takes practice. But definitely is better and easier when it comes to aim. Movement wise I feel like a bot. But aim wise I’m still beaming sometimes better than on my mnk and I suck at roller!
I’ve been trying to figure out why I suck sometimes and realized my controller was the issue. I get better performance using ps5 on PC but when it gets hairy I accidentally punch during engagements lol
OMG u weren’t just missing a few shots… you missed every shot and went through like 10 mags. How tired were you, and how late at night was that😂😂😂
As a mnk only player that also play mobile shooting games, some aim assist actually sucks, I turned off my aim assist on my pubg mobile, why? Because yeah it "Assists" you with aiming, but it doesn't know when to and how to, it just kinda lock into target when you're not shooting, and then lock into anything else but the target as soon as you start actually shooting them
So yeah I haven't tried apex's implementation on aim assist to understand why the community makes such a fuss about it, I guess it's just a better version of my mobile game aim assist, but then again, you have very limited functionality on rollers than you do on mnk, it's kinda fair I guess
Explain why most pros switched from MnK to Controller? I’ll wait
Top 10,000 R5RPlayers by Playtime From 2/22/24 to 6/22/
Average Accuracy By Input
Controller: 33.57%
MnK: 25.72%
Controller players avg accuracy is 30.5% higher.
1/4 roller players have higher accuracy than 99.93% of MnK p
Top 3 Controller Accuracy
Evolved Xander: 51.10% (Overall Accuracy Rank #1)
SSG_Koy: 47.71% (Overall Accuracy Rank #2)
WINTERKMINJEON: 47.02% (Overall Accuracy Rank #3)
Top 3 MnK Accuracy
KAZUMAwantan: 38.9% (Overall Accuracy Rank #391)
kokinz: 37.7% (Overall Accuracy Rank #619)
UnstableArmor: 36.73% (Overall Accuracy Rank #902)
Average KD By Input
Controller: 1.15
MnK:.87
Controller players avg KD is 31.5% higher.
For all you clowns saying aim assist is not op
Dope UA-cam short dude! 👏🏾 🔥🕺🏾
Glad you enjoyed! 😏🤘
@@FirstSpokenGaming And I'm glad you posted. :)
Controller literally does aim for u, it’s like guard rails on a bowling alley
I think you should switch to mouse and keyboard for 1 week to prove them all wrong.
Actually in the past I won a few games on MnK, it was awesome! Also might start a series on the whole matter by focusing more on both 🤷♂️
@@FirstSpokenGaming I guess aim assist was OP since the developers nerfed it and said it was strong in the patch note.Experiential stories from all types of players tracks with the data we're seeing when it comes to encounter win rate between different peripherals. Apex Legends is a competitive shooter, and simply put, aim assist is too strong.-Devs
It's not that aim assist aims for you. But controller is truly op in a lot of situations (i'm a controller player btw). Take 2 players, one on mnk and the other on controller. If they have spray guns like havoc or volt especially, and similar skill in aim, the controller player will hit a slight percentage more of their shots. That slight percentage might not some that crazy but when you apply that across thousands of fights and games, you'd see that controller players have a sort of easy way to always have the upper hand on mnk players. It still requires skill, you can't have horrible aim and still beat a talented mnk player. But if you're close in skill, controller will close the gap for you.
22 of 25 kills leaders on ALGS play on controller. Another 3 play on MNK. Now just think about it. Discuss end
Bro doesn't know the difference between aimbot and triggerbot
They both take skill the people complaining about aim assist clearly lack said skill
The top m & k for accuracy is ranked 355 for accuracy... controller is OP stop coping.
Aim assist is literally made to assist controller players because controllers aren't as precise as MNK. I don't get the hate for aim assist on console, it's on every fps game and Apex players are the only ones I've seen complain
trust, if you missed this many shots with controller you wouldn’t have hit a single one on m&k.
how is “i missed almost every shot and still won” an argument FOR controller? lmfao
Found the mnk crybaby, shut up pewssy
I was thinking the same thing. Besides, aim assist is a known feature, there's not a single argument that can refute that.
Noo that’s not how it worked it’s easier to aim with mnk I have both trust it’s easier but controller does slow the aim down a bit
No one is disputing that MnK takes more raw skill than controller. This issue is people claiming that aim assist does all the work for you. If you play on console long enough, you'd realize this isn't true. Aim assist would carry every working man/woman who only plays 8-10hrs a week to a high K/D if that were the case.
@@timkelly6463 If you play on console, you're only playing against other people with aim assist, that's a dead argument.
I don't think aim assist aims for you, I played thousands of hours on controller. But it does track for you. Once your crosshairs are over an enemy, aim assist will INSTANTLY respond to changes in direction. Faster than any pro M&K player is even physically capable of doing. That's why it's OP, it removes the entire point of strafing.
But also, yes, people are disputing that M&K takes more raw skill.
And if the fight last more than 30 seconds your entire team leaves😂