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We Complained...GRAND SEIKO Listened.
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- Опубліковано 17 сер 2024
- With the unvealing of the Evolution 9 line, Grand Seiko has addressed many of the issues I had with my 2019 SBGA415. In this video, we take a look at the new SLGA007 lake Suwa limited edition and see if this is finally that perfect Grand Seiko I've been waiting for.
Discuss this watch with me on WatchCrunch: www.watchcrunch.com/Max/posts/grand-seiko-is-open-to-your-feedback-14603
I live by Seattle also - what’s the best location to buy and shop Grand Seiko for us? I’m looking at the SBGA415, SLGA009, SLGA007
I might be the only one saying This but I like the power reserve on the front. Is something to be proud of and a absolutely super useful complication I check my power reserve the whole time in my GMT spring drive
Beauty is very subjective 😉
I agree. Power reserve indicator is one of the most useful complications out there. I mean I might it most useful right after time and date. You need power reserve information way more often than say GMT, chronograph, moon phase or other functions. PR indicator is so damn underrated in watches. I just wish manufacturers would come up with more creative and visually pleasing ways to implement it.
I agree a power reserve is useful, but as long as I am wearing it, I don't ever have to look at it since it will never run out. So having it on the back is just great, it allows you to look at it when you put it on or off, but it doesn't ruin the fantastic dial design.
I agree with Eikenhorst. Power reserve is only needed when putting on the watch to know if the time needs to be adjusted so it could just as well be on the back. I can’t think of a reason to check it again while wearing it. Especially with 180 hours of reserve.
For me the date window is something that needs to be removed. So if you ask me I would rather remove date window than power indicator. But they do not listen to me 😂.
Stunning watch! I love the power reserve indicator on the back side of the movement. That was a clever move. I disagree with Max on the date window though. I find that date windows that match darkly colored dials don’t have enough contrast to be easily seen. I think they nailed it the way it is.
Black on white or white on black technically have the same contrast
@@xpusostomos I have a watches that go both ways. I universally find that it’s much easier to see the date on a white background, maybe I have old eyes.🤷🏻♂️
@@brettkeeler8822 perhaps... More light reflected and all... But it's not contrast
Agree. First and foremost a watch is a device to tell time. I need all elements to be legible so design aspects take second to that functionality.
@@xpusostomos But not the same legibility.
I actually like the power reserve on the dial, adds to the character of the spring drive movement itself given the user experience when winding it and seeing it move. Just my take on it though.
Same! I never understood the power reserve hate, especially one like on the Winter. It adds even more interesting texture and pattern to the dial and I love the asymmetry of it.
Grand Seiko epitomizes a culture of forever striving for perfection. That's the reason why the makers listen to the fans.
Really good point! They evolve, like nature that inspires their designs 👌
You said it perfectly. When you’re wearing a GS, you truly are wearing a piece of art on the wrist! 💕
I wanna swim in the dial 😍
Moving the power reserve indicator to the back is genius! I need that information but not as a disruption to the dial. Man, this is looking great!
This is probably the nicest GS I’ve seen. Great review as always thank you
I actually like the power window on some of their dials and I usually don't like complications or even date windows very often
GS dials are artistic masterpieces. Especially the silver and pink dials. Another fantastic video.
About the bracelets…GS uses pin-sleeves on its titanium watches, screws on the steel ones. Your Winter is made from titanium, that’s why it has pin-sleeves. I believe the new Evolution 9 “Night Birch” being made from titanium, still uses pin-sleeves on the bracelet. I don’t know why GS does this, maybe something to do with screws on titanium working themselves loose more easily, or the opposite…becoming too “sticky” so to speak with titanium 🤷♂️
Good to know! Thanks for the heads up
If the Ti bracelet links were threaded then in order to to prevent galvanic corrosion between SS and Ti the screws would need to be machined from Ti as well, and machining Ti is already difficult enough as is without having to machine teeny tiny screws and threads. That’s my guess anyway.
@@SonikDethmonkey I see, thanks for the info. So “sticky” was sort of right then 😏
This is what GS claims yet somehow, other manufacturers - Tudor, for example - produce full Ti bracelets with screw adjust links with zero issues. I’m a GS fan and am about to buy a second one but their bracelets and clasps… man, they’re just subpar.
It's probably impossible to machine threads of this size into titanium
Grand Seiko has carved it's niche within it's competition with their outstanding dials and innovative movements. However, I can't help but point out that Rolex and Tudor still run circles around GS when it comes down to their bracelets.
Yep, but at this rate of improvement, Rolex should be sweating 😅
Are you comparing the hidden clasp Rolex with these semi hidden grand Seiko, or are you comparing the super bulky sports Rolex clasp? Compare apples with apples.
Yeah but omega puts both GS, Rolex and Tudor, clasps and bracelets from Omega are the reason Rolex at long last after years of rubbish bracelets now make a decent product and I speak from experience Rolex used to be garbage bracelets and clasps!
Having owned many modern Rolexes over the years, I actually really love the bracelet on my SLGA009. I wouldn’t say it’s better than a Rolex bracelet, but it’s far better than the snowflakes bracelet and definitely holds it’s own against a non diver Rolex.
@@maxma01 if this was a newer brand I would agree with you but Grand Seiko should not be improving their bracelets, it should have been great from the beginning. They have so much knowledge and know how and they pay such attention to detail that it is unacceptable for us fans to see such little effort being put into the bracelet. It’s like knowing your friend or kid has so much potential but they just don’t make an effort but you love them nonetheless 🙃
My wife got me a Hotaka Peaks GMT in December and I absolutely love it. I have been a Seiko fan for decades and now a GS fan, the spring drive movement is mesmerizing and the dials are pure art, the polishing and fit and finish are top notch. I feel for the price you are getting an incredible watch.
Something to note: screwed links aren't new to Grand Seiko bracelets. For all of them, they use pins and sleeves for titanium, and screws for steel. For example, the Evolution 9 bracelets for titanium models still use pins and sleeves, and the older steel bracelets use screws. That being said, every other improvement mentioned is completely accurate. Also, the Evo9 Chrono does have micro adjust on the clasp! Yay!
EDIT: Also, the reason for pins on the titanium is because screws have a higher failure rate from the threads wearing over time, and even more so with titanium. I'm not sure how AP handles it on their titanium models, but it's the reason why Patek switched from screws to pins on Nautilus bracelet--pins are more secure and necessary for the super thin Nautilus bracelet.
Yes, I remember hearing that. Thanks for the clarification!
this one could possibly be my first
blue-dial watch. love it. mad respect.
What a cool ass watch 😁 great job getting the dial to show. It’s hard!
Thanks for making this vid happen 😊
Shunbun bro here. Great video!
I have always disliked dates on dials. However, the Shunbun was somewhat different for me as the power reserve really balances the date window well for me. Even though I fell in love with the pink dial, It could be possible that the watch wouldn't have spoke to me the same way it did with the power reserve.
Keep up the good work!
Lake Suwa is beautiful. I'm a month into my first GS, the Sea of Clouds. It's definitely like wearing a little work of art on my wrist. Beautiful! Seemed like a good value at $3800!
Welcome to the club, they are really beautiful 😉
Crazy how their marketing is working, to make you say that...
@@vianouche1 What marketing? GS is literally the less marketed luxury brand, everyone who buys one does it for the incredible quality of the dials and movements.
I want GS in my collection, but I need a Spring Drive in 38/9mm with a tapered bracelet with Micro adjustments. I have a smaller round wrist and watches have to fit perfect or they don't get wrist time. I'm waiting for the perfect GS and it'll be my grail watch. The lake dial and simple yet sporty indices with gold accents are near perfect for me on this one, but still waiting.
If GS did a spring drive piece with a vanta black dial they’d have my money in a heartbeat. The contrast between the dial and their high polished hands and hr markers would be stunning.
Love the back power reserve, very Moser, I always thought putting the ugliest and least symmetrical complication, on the worlds second best dials was counter intuitive to say the least.
Yes definitely better off the dial 👌
Spring drive meter on the front is kinda cool. Makes the face so unique
I love the front power reserve complication. Useful, interesting looking and a differentiator from the “same old same old” I guess that’s why people in the watch industry say if you design a watch from watch hobbyists wishes it will result in the most boring watch ever created
@@davidgant6720 Different strokes.....
For me having the power reserve on the front is so important. I look at it the WHOLE time because I change watches the whole time from one to another
Great review again, Max!
The Lake Suwa model has a SPECTACULAR dial! Wow I want one.
Weightwise, the titanium SLGA019 is a big improvement, but it lacks the gold accents of the SLGA007 and is still a bit bigger than I would like, so I'm unsure whether to buy one of those soon or see what Seiko announces next.
I have to agree....the changes to this watch is pretty amazing.
They are soooo close!
I bought the SBGA019 last week in Korea and it is the perfect watch. It is so lite that I forget that I have it on sometime. I thought that the titanium couldn't be scratched but I got one already. I'm not sure how that happened.
Another solid GS video! Gotta love. Keep them coming Max.
Thank you Blake!
Nice piece again Max, and a fabulous watch. The male centre on the bracelet end link has to go for smaller wrists. Makes it wear bigger than it needs to, as it stands. My SBGA373 is on a strap in part for that reason. I actually like the power reserve on the front but it seems I'm in the minority. For me with a GS you actually feel the care that went into producing it when you wear it.
Good point! I can barely pull this one off
Stunning. Following Grand Seiko closely, hoping for a perfectly updated snowflake some day. I do feel that the markers on this model is a step back though. I felt like the old, simpler, shaper markers fit so well with the heritage and "nationality" of the brand. Here's to hoping they one day hit it just right.
Yeah I feel like they did with the SLGA009. The markers are "sportier" to match the Evo9 design language. Definitely not as dressy as before
Moving the power reserve indicator to the back of the watch is a _huge_ improvement. Obviously, there was somebody at GS who wanted it on the dial (maybe the original designer?) whose howling about it was finally ignored - or maybe the guy retired. In any event, yeah, it messed up what were otherwise gorgeous dials. I pulled the trigger on my first GS recently, and went for the all-quartz SBGP017 just to get a dial that wouldn't annoy the hell out of me every time I looked at it (same dial as your Four Seasons, but in a pale blue.) It has the same insane accuracy - it's still dead-on after six months - and the same bracelet as you got on your SBGA415. I still lust after the spring drive movement, though, and maybe I'll eventually cough up the price for one of these new, better-looking versions.
Agree re the date window ... color-matching is catching on with many brands ... but with a dark blue dial you'd need white numerals.
Thanks for sharing! I have an SGBP015, and I love it, but I want to upgrade to a Spring Drive or Hi Beat at some point. I just can't get enough of a smoother sweeping seconds hand, and I want to see the movement running in the back. GS Quartz is the best in the business, though!
@@henryreed6237 The SBGA415 sapphire back does let me stare at the battery. I'm not sure who thought that was something worth adding to the watch, but there it is. 🙄
Spot on for you comment on the date window. What a shame, I wish it matched the color of that beautiful dial.
Grand Seiko are a movement company second?! It took over 30 years for the revolutionary Spring Drive system to come to light! Brand Seiko create art in dials AND movements!
Great video. I just discovered your channel. Loving it. This watch is georgeous.
Am I the only one who prefers the power reserve on the front of the dial?
I love your channel. I have Hi-Beat limited edition GMT. And I recently bought the same winter dial spring drive you. Why? Because I realised GS had ‘listened’. I’ve always avoided Spring Drive because I don’t like the power gauge. But when I realised it might be a thing of the past for some reason involving reverse logic I had to have it. Sometimes imperfections make something perfect. One of the comment on the new watch you’re talking about and the silver birch … That our hand is absolutely atrocious. Why is the great big clumsy our hand dominating the dial. It’s more of an aberration than the power gauge in my humble opinion. So, if your eyes can’t tell the difference between an hour and a minute hand unless their design is mismatched then you need better glasses.
You are spot on about the daft logo on the case back
Great video! One thing on the bracelets - I had heard Joe Kirk mention that the reason for the taper to 20mm was that having the clasp width half the size of the case improves the balance on the wrist. After owning the SLGA009 (white birch spring drive) I can definitely say the smaller taper helps the watch feel less top heavy and more balanced and actually improves wearability. With microadjustments, while I understand the gripe, what I don’t get it is why I don’t hear others complains as much about this when it comes to AP or Moser who don’t have on the fly adjustments. Also, the lack of microadjustments helps keep a smaller clasp (something I like). We often forget or don’t realize that these choices have a reasoning behind them, something the watchmakers likely have put a lot of thought behind.
I like my watches tight on the wrist so that's less issue with being top heavy. Plus they don't taper the titanium watch bracelet more and that watch is a feather 😁
@@WatchCrunchOfficial They need to taper these bracelets. I got the SBGW289 and was so annoyed with the dichotomy of the actual watch, which is painfully elegant, and the almost rude inelegance of that non-tapered bracelet. I immediately swapped it out for a dress strap and the watch instantly made sense.
The new hour hand is actually the deciding factory why I DIDN'T get the new model (Birch Spring Drive) and instead went with the Cherry Blossom.
Great video of a good looking watch. Imo the contrasting white date wheel is a thing of beauty. Submariners have the same white date wheel. Yet I have never come across anyone complaining. 😊 Keep up the good work man
Beautiful watch! That blue dial really is mesmerizing!
The number one thing Grand Seiko needs to do is make their watches smaller. Most of their watches are just too big I feel for a lot of wrists and they use Male end links on top of that. They did just come out with a couple 34 mm versions of their quarts watch with a 9F movement which are beautiful. That’s a step on the right direction. Besides that all they really have is one 37mm watch that’s quartz and their manually hand wound watch at 37mm.
My understanding is that the new spring drive movements are quite wide
You don’t like 16mm thick dress watches?
Really? what makes you think that? I own 2 Gs and I think they are on the smaller slim side...actually I think they are perfect size. Any smaller and they look kinda girly no??
I have 6 inch wrist... i feel you lol
Titanium Evo 9 case, tapered bracelet with micro-adjustment, GMT Spring Drive movement, 200m WR, Power reserve on the back. I’d sign up in a flash.
They need to address the adjustable clasp on their sport models. I am a huge believer in on-the-fly micro adjust if you're going to own a bracelet. The tic-toc case sized micro adjust on their current divers is unusable for any kind of computer work. If Rolex, Omega, Breitling, and many others can make a small micro adjust, then surely GS is up to this task.
Thanks for sharing. That wave dial is awesome. I love the 4 seasons dial but I am not a fan of Titanium.
I still think that at 40mm diameter, the 22mm lug width really throws off the proportions
Yeah it's still too big for me
22 on a 40 should have similar look to a 20mm on a 38mm like the sarb line which is perfect
Bracelet for sure. Then I’m absolutely sold.
I never objected to the power reserve on the front, but one thing about the new movement is that the pr can be put on either the front or the back. The evolution 9 diver uses the exact movement only the pr is on the front
As someone that owns the “poor man’s snowflake” SRB165 Sharp edge, and hopes to get a spring drive comparable someday. This is a model that I am interested in.
But $3000 more?
These price increase will have me saving forever 😬
just a friendly reminder that your videos are stunning
I may be in the minority, but I think GS's power reserve distinctly set them apart from the other brands. It was a unique feature that was instantly recognizable as not only a GS, but a GS Spring Drive; the most unique innovation to the watch world in a very long time. By listening to customers too much, I think brands lose a clear point of view that makes the brand, THE Brand. - Example: Rolex stuck with their cyclops date magnifier. Many complain that it is unnecessary and ruins the sleekness of the overall dial-side experience, but now it's THE thing that is instantly recognizable as Rolex, even from a distance.
Creating a heritage that people accept and understand is only achieved by sticking to the differentiating points of view that make the brand unique. With the frequency of models being released by GS (limited edition models at that), I think they are hurting the longterm success of the brand because nothing sticks around long enough for people to love and when looking through the models as a newcomer they get overwhelmed.
Having said all of this, I love my GS watches and have focused on celebrating their brand uniqueness by owning a 9F GMT (SBGN003) and a 44GS case Spring Drive (SBGA375).
Love this comparison Max! GS is definitely going in the right direction with the bracelets, hope to keep seeing more improvements
Thanks Derek! Yeah I'm hoping to do a video in 2025 called "I have nothing more to complain about" 🤣
I have an SBGA083 approx 2015, and the power reserve is just painted on the dial, just one line, I actually like it. I never knew why they cut the power reserve into the dial on the newer models? nicer on the back.
Agree about the date window on the Suwa. A color matched window would go a long way. I almost pulled the trigger on that watch but that was one of the things bugging me, that and the price of the Suwa being around twice what my SGBA203.
Just bought the slga009 while I was in Ginza. One of my grail watch 😊.
The colorless watermark on the display caseback isn’t new to GS, my 4 year old snowflake has this too. Glad to hear they went back to it.
Honestly love the power reserve indicator. I really hate that it's on the back since it's such a neat thing to have to look at and it's a bit useless to have on the back. I didn't like their implementation since the way they cut those lines into the dial did make it intrusive but not really ugly. Honestly really wish they would've just made that needle float on the dial and only have two little lines to indicate empty and full with nothing in between. I'm gearing up to buy my first spring drive since i can finally afford one but i just love looking at power reserve needles. I want to look at it on the dial not the back.
Two words will make Grand Seiko the ultimate brand:
MICRO ADJUST
It baffles me how Seiko has better clasps than Grand Seiko.
On the fly micro adjust (like T-Fit, or Glide Lock) would be perfection.
The lack of micro adjust is the reason why my SBGE205 has been unworn for almost a year.
Yeah man, they need to hire a cracking bracelet team!
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Max, do you ever find that Grand Seiko has legibility issues in certain light?
I find that the polished hands of their heritage models often makes it hard to read the time.
Beautiful watch... great macro work - really made the most of the GS :)
Great improvements by GS. Would love to see them now implement thinner cases and female end links into newer releases.
Great video as always! That SLGA is amazing! I might pull the trigger on it if it was the same price as the snowflake, but I have a hard time paying this price for a watch. One day I'll get past this issue.
The price is hard to swallow
It “deserves a spot in my collection”, yes, now how to pay for it!
Nice to also see a 11.7mm thickness on GS.
Wow that watch looks an is Amazing. A beautiful watch.
Seiko's are truly Masters
You’re reviewing a limited edition watch that sold out quickly.
They’ve since released two new Lake Suwa dialed versions in steel and titanium, SLGA019 and SLGA021. You might consider doing an update.
I absolutely couldn't disagree more with the date wheel background color matching the dial color. It would be very difficult to read even if the numerals were white. Obviously, they couldn't use any other color. So, the white with black numerals is the only option. And it looks magnificent...
The evolution 9 is absolutely gorgeous.
Cracking job they did!
I was told by GS that all titanium bands use push pins because there is the danger of stripping the threads in the link using screw caps. All stainless steel bands use screw caps.
Call me boring but I prefer the hands of the heritage line to the modern line. I'm always in awe looking at the exquisite sharp reflections from these GS heritage hands... And that alone my friend makes all the difference to my eyes.
Great video ... Oh ya lastly 40 case with 22 mm bracelet seems unbalanced, but again call me boring 😜
The lake suwa is a grail for me, that dial! The pinion cap does add refinement imo as well. A real shame there is no bracelet adjustment on the fly, especially at this price.
Yeah it's a let down, but you can use multiple the 0.75 links to get a personal fit
It's not possible to have screwed pins on the "winter" watch, because it's made from titanium. Titanium doesn't take to threading. I don't know why people bleat on about pins and collars being bad, they are much more secure than screws! Plus, if you strip the thread on the bracelet links you have to replace that link, or maybe the entire bracelet! Beautiful watches though Max. Thanks for the review.
I love my white birch, future watches I’d like to see more tapered band (never liked the multi polish band), thinner case, and maybe developing some lineage, so building equity on models over time.
Just my two cents: I'm looking for a spring drive watch with illuminated hands, additional GMT hand, a stunning dial which doesn't look like a random surface, and a framed date window. What I don't like about the SBGE255 for example is that it looks excellent on photos but kind of cheap in the shop (I still have to find out if it was just not polished and therefore looked cheap). I wish they would add a nice silver frame around the date as well as changing the material of the inner GMT time ring. It looks like cheap plastic. Shiny but plastic. Also distinguishing the 12 from the 3, 6 and 9 in dark is bit tricky as the only difference is a small little dot on top of the 12. No problem if you're wearing it but I want to keep the watch off my wrist at night and still be able to check the time if I wake up at night. Last but not least, the power reserve indicator looks way cheaper on the GMT spring drive watches compared to e.g. the heritage collection watch SBGA375.
The SBGA375 on the other hand looks very clean and elegant but lacks a bit of features for the money that it costs. Seems that this is the compromise I have to take.
Maybe I'm too picky but I'm thinking very carefully about all these things before purchasing my first luxury watch (so far my most expensive watch is 200€)
Oh and then there is this thing that I don't understand yet: are limited editions only available for the US or will/has GrandSeiko already sold limited versions for the European market as well e.g. the SBGE021 or the SBGE263 (currently my favorite)?
Looking forward to your thoughts: am I exaggerating? Am I asking for too much? Will there be another limited version of an SBGE soon maybe this time in Europe?
The 2022 bracelet is the one people are complaining about 😂
There's always something to complain about 😉
Excellent video. I agree about the date window and especially the removal of that awful lion on the display caseback. I would love to know who thought it was a good idea. However, I much prefer the older hands. That is what Grand Seiko does best. I don't find the new hands aesthetically pleasing at all. But is doesn't matter what I think. Enjoy
Song used at the beginning of the video? Hauntingly beautiful
I want one badly now. If only they had an awesome bracelet!!!!
👍👍👍. welcome changes for the new model. great video
Thank you 😊
the winter dial with no power reserve would be the best
If I could try one on I very well might have bought one, but by the time I heard about this model it was impossible to track down. Once again a limited edition and there were none available. That's what frustrates me.
I feel the same, I tried to buy two different GS models this year. Never can find the limited editions .
Great video! Just picked up the White Birch (SLGH005)… what’s your opinion on the movement as opposed to the Spring Drive?
I want a new and improved winter....leave the indicaton on the dial I like it
GS needs a larger clasp with better micro adjustments. My GS never feels quite right, either too tight or too loose, compared to my Rolex, it feels perfect.
GS should also make smaller sizes and offer different sizes for the same watch. I’d love an evolution 9 in a 36
-39mm
Yep, that would really be welcome!
I just wish they made a 38-39mm sports spring drive watch.
Grand Seiko put Chronograph, GMT, date and power reserve on same dial with absolutely no symmetry and no tachometer. What are they thinking?
Which one would you choose if you can only keep one?
GS should make a thinner 62GS (titanium) with their latest 9RA2 spring drive
Life long #seikopath, Spring Drive Fanboy and SBGA469 owner - - GS just NEEDS to #LISTEN to its #FANBASE - - For example: 38-39 case (...maybe 40mm) Heritage case (... maybe Evolution 9), but ABSOLUTELY 20mm lug width (... FORGET 19mm and 21mm lug width, ... NO ONE uses that $hit, ... unless they simply roll-over to your OEM design) - - #LISTEN to your #FANBASE and release #20mmLugWidth with EVERY case, movement and dial release - - AGAIN ... FORGET 19mm and 21mm lug width, ... NO ONE uses that $hit.
The 4mm taper is curious to me. I'd be interested in knowing why that would be desirable. If I get a band or watch that has more than 2mm of taper on the band, it irritates me. I feel like the buckle size ends up being out of line with the watch size.
Because that's what Rolex does.
Almost perfect. Price is unreasonable though. Keep it around 7-8k
This is very nice indeed.
I don't like the broken, cut hour hand; other than that, it is a great watch.
Thanks for the vid, excellent commentary!
Appreciate that 🙏
If GS could make a 40mm watch with a similar dial to the winter in titanium with a 5 day power reserve and a better bracelet I would be on that in a flash! Is 2023 the year?!
I have a sbga415
Love it but agree w issues w bracelet - a pin randomly came out. And also it’s very poor legibility in even dim light
Now Seiko needs to improve service in North America, which is still sub-par. Omega service, for same dollar spent, offers exceptionally superior value.
So beautiful. I wish that they would make it in 37 mm for smaller wrists.
37mm spring drive? 🙏
@@WatchCrunchOfficial Yes. There are so many gorgeous watches in the GS lineup as well as others that are so good but 40 or 42 mm. Longines Spirit Zulu comes to mind. Sizes are going back to 38 or smaller so I’m still hopeful. 😂
Great watch review, cheers.
YAS emo boy! Fellow former emo here too. ITS NOT A PHASE MOM! 😜
Validate my feelings!!! 😉
I didn't get the part where you said "movement company 2nd" I can't even think of another watch company that has innovated watch movement like Grand Seiko has
Stunning watch and near perfect as you say. I’ve been wanting to get a Grand Seiko for sometime, but can’t get over those chunky, non-tapering bracelets. They need to have a bit more taper to truly make them the best.
You got that right!
"Imo Guy?" Great!