Based on coworker Anthony Browns interview with FBI he stated that when they heard that Chris had been having an affair with someone from Anadarko that he knew right away who it was and that back in march he witnessed NK and Chris in the hallways extra close and already had the feeling that something weird was going on there.. yeah just according to everyone’s statements and interviews with data info and search history there’s absolutely no way that was a 6 wk affair…more like 6+months and perhaps even earlier than that.
I believe Shanann most definitely knew. Which is the reason she bought flowers for herself and mentioned on camera to let the woman know that Chris is happier at home... to step off!
I think it’s crazy that not one person has come out, at least I haven’t heard or seen, and shared any interactions with Nicole Kessinger after all this. I don’t know where she moved and I know she changed her name, but this coverage is everywhere. With social media, you’d think someone would cross paths and figure out who she is and tell a story or something. Weird.
Steph O: Some know exactly where she is but don't say anything. Maybe they don't like drama and want to stay out of it and mind their own business. Not everyone is a gossiping person. NK is not a wanted person. If I knew where she lived I wouldn't say a word because it's none of my business. You act like she is wanted by the FBI. Maybe you will mind your own business one day. I respect people's privacy.
I'm absolutely 💯 percent sure without a doubt in the whole universe that Nicole was lurking in every one of Shan'ans live streams from the day she learned she existed. Heck yeah, that's what mistresses do. I had a stalker by a girl my EX husband was screwing. They want to know EVERY DETAIL about the wife. They're obsessive and jealous and paranoid. It's sick. Yes. Nicole absolutely joined Shan'ans live streams..poor Shan'an, so unfair. And hey Nicole, if you're reading this, you won't get far for long. Your days are numbered no matter how many times you change your name.
You are absolutely correct about mistresses. I was once friends with a former coworker, who only dated married men or men who had common-law wives. Even before social media, she relentlessly stalked the wives of these men. She was absolutely obsessed with the wives. She would even try to befriend the wives. It was almost as if the relationship was more about the wife than the man. When the guys would realize how crazy she was, they would dump her. All hell would break loose. If she could not get the guy back in her clutches, she would find a way to let the wives know she had an affair with their husbands. There was one dude who left his longtime, common-law wife for her. He stuck around the longest, but he eventually got tired of her crap. She was such a nutcase about it that she stalked his 2nd wife and him for years and even after he died.
@@maggiebridget126 Yeah everything you're saying is so true. And it's so weird, between the mistress and the wife, you'd think the most jealous one would be the wife but it's the other way around. So strange..this girl would call me almost daily. I guess he gave her my number..even weirder. But she was as obsessed with me and what I was all about as she was my ex.
@@ginabizzarosghosts7831 He may have given her your number, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that she was determined to find out what your number was and he had nothing to do with it. Before the digital age, my former coworker would go to great lengths to find out everything, including phone numbers. At one point, she was working in a position that required her to do credit checks and background checks. She would use those capabilities to stalk the wives. Of course, it was illegal, but that never stopped her. I now think she applied for positions like that just so she could have access. She is one of the sneakiest people I've ever known. Now, of course, people can use search engines like My Life, etc. I do know that at one point, she had a subscription to White Pages. It must have been their best package because there wasn't anything she didn't know about the wives. She would be so obsessed that she would even try to copy how the wives dressed. If a wife had a Louis Vuitton purse, she had to get one. Hers was usually second-hand or a knockoff, though. If the wife had a favorite restaurant, that became her favorite restaurant. If the wife worked with the public, she would find some excuse to pop in at the wife's place of employment. It was never-ending with her.
Every one knows NK was stalking the family... Its sad because you can tell she is troubled by the mean faces posts. I'm sure she thought something just wasn't right.
After finding out Nicole Kessinger had looked up Shanann long before she & Chris met at work; all the obvious tactics NK used to get Chris...I think NK became obsessed with Shanann & Chris. NK was only 2 years younger than Shanann & she was over 30, single, driving a pick up truck, living alone in an apartment...& looking at Shanann's life on social media...a beautiful home, beautiful children, good looking attentive husband, vacations, Shanann got to work from home & was seemingly successful at it, seemed to have a ton of friends...I think NK was the one who saw Shanann's life on social media (possibly initially looking into Thrive herself, being that she was once a little chubby & was getting into weight loss & fitness)...or...was NK already working at the same place as Chris & NK began kind of stalking him? Over heard a possible conversation Chris may have had with a co worker about his weight loss & his wife's Thrive? Lots of possibilities. But it's clear NK went after Chris Watts ...absolutely could have been her throws out all the "mean faces" on Shanann's FB live. I think investigators dismissed NK's potential involvement way too soon...they were to eager to get Chris. After discovering NK initially lied to them about when she first met Chris...that should have thrown up red flags.
Not everyone wants all that, don't forget the debt they were in. I drive a pick-up truck by choice and I am 68. I've always had a truck. Thrive is a pyramid scheme, nobody would be jealous of that.
Maybe NK did all that. Still, I don't think she was involved at all. And let me remind you that to this day she hasn't been charged with anything. Obviously, the police never found any evidence against her.
@@user-vz3fh6oj7d jealous of how they appeared on social media...before she and her children were viciously murdered by her adulterous husband. Before everyone knew of their financial & marital problems.
@@ashleyshelton3748 I don't think she had anything to do with the murders directly. I do think her sending the lyrics to the Metallica song "battery" is odd. Yoga doing, wanna be new age/wiccan/hippie chicks of Colorado don't usually listen to Metallica. Still, I absolutely think NK first stalked Chris and went after him, completely intending to steal him from his family.
Does anyone else find it really odd that to this day, cw hadn't said anything bad about Shannon? I mean, if you killed your spouse, wouldn't you tell people how much they put you in debt, demeaned you, treated you like a child, embarrassed you, etc? I mean, come on Chris, if she was so great and did nothing to you, why the rage? Rage for what exactly? And yet nothin from Chris. Makes me feel like whatever deal was made, included in it was not to bad mouth Shannon, because he makes it seem like he had no good reason at all to do what he did. I have never heard him mention that she put them in debt and that made him really angry, has anyone else. This is beyond bizzare to say the least.
You make an interesting point with perhaps some clause written into the plea deal. It is not something I have considered before. His reasons for not talking bad of her could be down to guilt(hard to believe I know) and the thoughts of whatever Shanann did in no way justify it-things like messing up their finances. Yeah you'd be angry but there were ways to fix that. Why take that to the point of killing his children who had no role in any of that. He might just not see the point of bad-mouthing her. Nothing he does will make anyone pity him, or give him reason. In fact bashing Shannan will only make people hate him even more. If that's possible. These reasons are quite basic but I don't think we will ever find out the truth.
@CountrySunshine Read your Bible Ma’am, NOTHING justifies murder. NOTHING. But you got your slander towards Shannan in though, so do you feel better now?
@@jenj5152 nothing justifies any sin, yet they happen every second. Why does there always have to be a disclaimer "I do not believe this woman, nor her children, deserved to be murdered"? You don't think it's strange that a man kills a family he helped create, and yet says nothing bad?? Have you read your Bible ma'am? The verse about "it's better to live in a corner on the rooftop than in a house with a quarrelsome woman"? Do you just think you can treat people like crap, and that's fine as long as you don't kill them? You do know words hold a lot of power right? I mean, if you're bringing up the Bible, surely you know the golden rule.
I've heard or read (in some youtube comment) that Chris said he was sleeping in the basement cos they were seperating soon. It doesn't mean that he explicitly gave Shannan's behavior as the reason but i think he assumed that no one would blame themselves for the separation which means that it can be safely concluded that if asked, he would cite Shannan's behavior as the reason.
I agree, And I had This exact same thought when I was creating the video. Even with what you said here, I find her reaction based on her behavior to be extreme. It doesn’t necessarily mean it was NK, just my opinion. Thanks for commenting
This video is very tastefully done. My fave was Bella gobbling down chocolate chips. Poignant when one knows what happened to this family. Chris Watts is in his own hell. Perhaps others involved could be too. Who knows? This is a sad video.
not condoning the murders in the least but all you on here who think Shannan was such a saint, need to watch the video of her and CW playing a life-sized outside checkers game. she was mean
It IS odd but I guess she was doing it for her MLM, Thrive. I don’t think she had a huge audience watching her on those lives. I also feel like doing the lives gave her some type of satisfaction internally. Made her feel good. The thing is, many argue that she HAD no to do this in order to sell her product but I read somewhere a quote by Shanann where she said she did not need to do the facebook lives but she chose to. There were many awkward and/or uncomfortable moments where she should have ended her live but she did not. It’s really sad because knowing what we know now, she was portraying a life and lifestyle that was no where near reality. This is just such a sad and strange case. I wish it didn’t end up the way it did.
That was a great comment, I think it’s a really beautiful way to look at things. I’ve never really thought about that in regards to Shannon and the live streams. She was just a human being doing her best. Thank you for leaving such a nice comment
I wouldn't say she was portraying a fake life it may not been 100% of what her life truly was. But it was close Shannan loved 😍 her family so much and l Believe she worked every day to make her life picture perfect. She was a very smart 🤓 lady and when there were signs something was up or not right trust me she would talk to her family, friends, and Chris. It could of been Chris's Family (Mom,)
It bothers me that she used her husband and children as pawns in the video. The kids needed things (attention, food, water ect) and Shanann just kept telling them to say hi. She was all about selling product, no matter the cost to her family (both financially and emotionally)
@@IamJaime214 Exactly but if you say that people say oh you're bashing her you either have people that disagree about her lifestyle where people that are completely obsessed and think she was just so brilliant
No one think it's weird streaming yourself coocking in your own home, with your baby's? On open streaming for all to see? I think it is kind of creepy, and unsafe in America.
I do find it eccentric. Doing Facebook lives was something she "chose to"...but WHY? Why this incessant, exhibitionstic need to be watched by others? Surely she should be aware that everyone would not admire her - at least not her need for attention?
@@lisbethlarsen6427 I think she DID think everyone was loving everything about her and I believe that she had them all afraid to buck against her. One of the biggest examples of this is the video of her wearing a black charcoal mask and telling others how to clean makeup brushes. Geez! Then after that. She said that if yall wanted I'll grab Chris and make him do it because " HE DOES EVERYTHING SHE SAY ANYWAY " says it all.
I thought I heard someone screaming. I'll bet she did. I know that everyone hates Chris,, but she had him and Bella a nervous wreck. The whole thing was a disaster.
I don't know if it's true but there's speculation the reason why those girls were at day care all day is because cps was involved and she couldn't be alone with them
@Rifle Eyez I understand that! But things have many facets. Let's say ( leaving the girls out) in my opinion he lived 8 years having to be a nervous wreck. He bathed the girls and played with them, was SW ever playing, NO !! WOULD YOU, IF YOU'RE A MAN, WORK ABOUT 12 HOURS A WEEK AND EVERY DAY PICK THEM UP. NEVER GETTING ANY POCKET MONEY OR ALLOWED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. HAVING A WOMAN TELL YOU THAT YOU AND YOUR KIDS CAN'T SEE YOUR MOM AND DAD ( HIS BEST FRIEND) AND NEVER GETTING TO HAVE ANY HOBBIES OR OTHER FUN STUFF? IM A CHRISTIAN AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT HE WAS A VERY GOOD PERSON. I THINK HE FOUND NK WHO SHOWED RESPECT AND HOBBIES. I ALSO BELIEVE NK WAS A SATANIST ( THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE) I BELIEVE " SOMETHING: EVIL TOOK OVER HIS SOUL. HE WAS JUST SO GREAT FOR BEING AN ABUSED HUSBAND,, BEFORE ! YOU'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS AND HE WAS RIDICULED CONSTANTLY ONLINE. SHE HAD HIM WHIPPED. I FEEL BAD FOR ANYONE WHO PUT UP WITH THAT CRAP FOR 8 YEARS.
@@vickiwilson2185all of this doesn’t matter. She was brutally murdered. Who cares what she did or didn’t do. Chris could leave her. It’s called a divorce. It’s so gross when people feel pity for Chris
Agree, she was all about getting positive feedback and validation. She craved attention and control, many people would have been more than happy to go on her many videos and “unlike” them.
Those mean faces could of been chris in a fake account because he suppressed his feelings with shannan he may have created a fake account to mess with her head....
After rewatching this video I am more sickened by SW it giving a thought about her baby being stuck in the TOILET than some mean faced emojis. Yes the emojis are definitely concerning but her talking about cooking and other things that could have waited bothers me more
Shanann was absolutely obsessed with portraying a perfect (and fake) online image. It was her whole identity. It's also possible she bought the flowers herself. They are very conveniently placed directly in the site of the camera....
I get what you’re saying. And everyone’s saying. But if I’m to be one hundred percent honest I hold back on posts and sharing BECAUSE of this case and others like it. I hate that Shannan had to learn a deep lesson in vulnerability and moving in silence the hardest way possible.
12:20 Bella tell her that Cc is stuck in the toilet and screaming bc she's 2 and made to go in the rest room herself. Sw just keeps talking about thrive crap
Yes that Laser Lady, she was utterly preoccupied with social media broadcasts either selling the Thrive crap or boasting about her lifestyle, home and perfect family. All the time ignoring the basic needs of the children who were craving some attention, making sarcastic comments about Chris while he ran around fetching and carrying for her
Wow, what a great point. I mean, the subtle but glaringly obvious things that have been directly in front of our faces for years, yet we still see things for the first time
I feel so bad for Shanann and beautiful Cece and Bella. And the more I look into this case the more I think NK knows a lot more than she's telling. What is even worse is that since CW confessed, law enforcement stopped looking at possible accomplices. I know that's typical but still...I believe NK knew what CW was planning to do because she helped him plan it. I also believe she helped him with the attempted cover-up after.
Right!!? Anyone with any intelligence would be very interested in wanting to know why CW confessed so quickly, what those things he said he would take to the grave about NK, obviously want to investigate her as a suspect considering how CW changed his story quickly confessed and told them to leave her alone... They know CW is a liar, killed his family for his mistress in one way or another, and you wouldn't believe that any real detective would just stop investigating due to a BS confession that kept changing... Also, with all the lies and potentially very criminal behavior that NK has been caught saying in the many interviews in her own words and in partaking, as well as the things her Masonic Daddy told the detectives about hurrying the case along (for NK's sake) before detectives or L.E. or prosecutors change their minds (and begin to think that NK played a vital role in the crimes), any intelligent, rationally thinking DETECTIVE in this case, especially, would see red flags all over the place and feel NK played a huge role in the planning and murders and feel it necessary to interrogate NK as a suspect and not afford her the special treatment that she had no reason to be receiving from the L.E. community in the first place!!! It feels like someone paid a bunch of agencies and/or agents, detective, and prosecutors some large sum of money to NOT even look into NK or investigate any further after the liar, CW, confessed at least three different times, at least 2 confessions being blatant lies,if not all... It's obviously the one who gave the confession was protecting NK. It's also clear that Masonic Daddy and even the L.E. community were protecting NK!!! Those of us out here who know just a little bit about this case are very agitated and upset about NK obviously getting off so easy in consideration of the lies she told and her tampering of evidence belonging to not only her, but her friends also, and even CW's. This will not go away until NK is heavily investigated and that is made public. They wouldn't just stop investigating after CW lied to them and falsely confessed many times, blamed everything on SW/SR, and also stated very clearly that he'd take what he and NK did to his grave. Something is very wrong here in the case of NK!!! Her lies and deleted data, and the fact that she had friends delete data as well, are crimes alone that she committed and they have the evidence and confessions to those crimes... What L.E. did in NK's case WAS criminal... Her lies changing so much, the lies she was basically immediately caught telling, and the destruction of evidence were plenty enough for L.E. to investigate her as a main suspect!!! We know this much. So why do the investigators not treat this as we all would?! I wish SW/SR's friends and families pushed all L.E. really hard into investigating NK. I'm not aware that they did push that... But they should have been pushing them and should especially push them even harder now!!!!! It's all so hard to imagine how and why anyone could be so evil by erasing their entire families in just a few minutes of time. It's sick and disturbing. I feel like he had a lot of help and someone helping him with the planning of this. Honestly, CW is not at a very intelligent person. He's got a low EQ/IQ, I don't care about what anyone else wants to say or think about his mental capacity. I feel and understand him and be on the lower end of the spectrum. Also, I believe that NK was there with him in Frederick that morning, possibly even when Shan'ann arrived home... A neighbor saw NK's 4-Runner that morning. Seems like everyone officially involved in this case have LOW IQ/EQ's, are total idiots or fools, and are likely bought-off on NK's guilty AF side.
I believe it was Nikki kessinger using a fake account, she probably stalked shanann's Facebook everyday knowing that weirdo. She was manipulative, gone in the head and obsessive! I hope that Nikki kessinger comes on social media and reads everything, that everyone has said about her. I know for a fact that she knew what that monster was going to do to his precious family.
Oh I’m pretty sure she is coming on here and reading everyone comments about her especially the bad ones and I hope she knows how much she’s hated worldwide and that millions of people know she was involved and she should be rotting in prison right now .
With the children being so small,and NK knowing she was 15 weeks pregnant,she was heartless to carry on the affair.Unless she had an ulterior motive,because no way would anyone date a man with those huge responsibilities,and a baby on the way. Seems very odd to me the fact she's just disappeared off the planet.That doesn't scream innocent.
B-tches and Pricks don't care. That's how powerful the sex drive is but on top of it demanding stuff as if she has a right (NK). I will say that there is always gonna be some one willing. It's good to have morals and scruples in place and not to act and hide behind just the notion.
I’m not an NK fan and Shanann’s death was an atrocity. But she sucked as a mother. Among other thing her philosophy of letting her kids “cry it out”, which is disturbing and cruel. She was messed up. Early bedtimes too. 2 hours naps on top of that. Daily preschool, all day long. The girls were eclipsed by sleep and daycare. Shanann was at home but clearly kept the girls at bay as much as possible. Sickening. She was all about herself despite all the posing as if she was so attached the girls. 🤮
@@angelwings7930 People don't all have the same parenting skills or system. Your mother or any mother could have dropped us on our heads and never said anything.
I’ve thought that maybe it was someone saying that she’s showing up on their feed. I heard in more than one interview that people said they had to block her because they were so annoyed by what sounded like almost constant lives. It could be just that. Someone who didn’t know her well and was annoyed and just bombarded her with mean faces. We don’t know but I think that is more plausible than her knowing anything about NK
Google searches aside, I’m a firm believer that NK forced her way into that Contractor HSE position with Anadarko… She basically took a 40% cut in her salary by switching from Field Technician to HSE Specialist… Why? Isn’t she supposed to be very savvy when it comes to money and career decisions? Because this move did not make any sense unless she had an ulterior motive…. 🤷🏻♂️
Why did Chris leave his Mechanic job and go to the Oil Field? He took a 30k cut there all because his wife told him he had Carpal Tunnel?? Was he ever actually diagnosed by a Dr?
@@DesertBluebells She's probably changed her name and look and took employment elsewhere. I think and it's just my opinion, but either in Texas, Oklahoma or Alaska.
Interesting approach… I would think that an Oilfield Tech would make more $ compared to a car mechanic, but may be wrong since I only know the oilfield salary part… $64k per year in the oilfield, as a senior technician in Caolorado is extremely underpaid he should have been making at least $85k… These two (NK/CW) don’t make sense at all in any aspect!
So maybe nk stalked the watts family before they cw started that job.I qonder what nk real reaaon for going after him...Maybe it had little to do with cw...I reckon her real bf was this Jim guy as why of all dsys did he come to stay the night with nk....could he be invokved too.NK certainly told the police to leave that jim guy alone?
I seriously doubt it was NK. Edit: I watched the actual video on another channel and I now believe that those 😡 faces were probably because she said she didn't like Pie.
Sometimes a very simple answer is the correct one. I don't believe it was NK either. It seems like a lot of effort and she just so happened to stumble into Shanann's live streams at just the right moment? Twice? It could have been someone amongst her own friend list. It happens. Someone who just looked into her life and didn't like her, do some mean faces to cause upset.
All of her videos were to feed her tremendous ego. She used Thrive as a way to perform for her audience as she loved to be the center of attention. It gave her the opportunity to show her “perfect” life to her friends. Huge huge ego
I think they were living way beyond their means and no changes in lifestyle were in sight. I believe CW was freaking out about this coupled with a new baby. CW was so arrogant he thought he'd get away with his evil acts.
With the way the time-line went it totally could have been NK. I think she did think something was off..she was totally thrown off in that video and i do find the flowers strange especially the way she talks about the flowers being for "fun" in a whatever type attitude shows her little appreciation for them especially because i dont see her liking those kind i bet to win her over she would have wanted a dozen red or white roses. Thats how shanann rolls.
Men don't buy fake flowers. She had fake flowers on top of the kitchen cupboards. Bought by Shannan as Chris had no say in choosing anything, according to him.
I don’t know who it was but I can’t just assume it was NK. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was verified to be true but right now, I honestly don’t know. Could have been a random stranger just joining and didn’t like something she said. Who knows?
I am for the most part not on Facebook, I have to get on Facebook a few times a year for various reasons. This kind of language and activity is not natural for me either. However, I don’t believe that NK was on Facebook. She knew an off a lot about how Chris Watts had to go about canceling canceling canceling his Facebook account rather than just canceling it… She found a way around the Internet very well. I think she was on all of those social media sites. IMO
Something that's always confused me- and maybe you've covered this before Kelly and I've just missed it- is how did they get her goog searches from 2017, I thought they were only "permitted" to her phone data/searches/txts for like July & Aug 2018?
This is a very good question, I have the same question and I do not know the answer. I tried to look into this a few times and have not found anything conclusive that I could report out on and feel good about it. I think I’m going to look into this again, thank you for bringing up this very good point!
Ty for this video! I thought this from the beginning! You are the only one brought this up! Ty! And I think NK got immunity for talking but they didn't think she was involved at the time. And yes they covered up. Alot! There's so much more they haven't talked about!
I never understand Lives videos- i really don’t care about someone cooking or cleaning- i have my own cooking and cleaning to do. It’s just so crazy how people become obsessed putting their entire lives on-line.
@@Njk1nek2 No other incidents possibly involving credit card scams per her unusually numerous addresses back in her Durty Deeds done not cheap days! People do use finance options seeking customization of vehicles!? No?And she was unable to control her impulse especially when it came to money or the potential to scam someone! Defo riding the Boss's disco stick for a reason? It also makes me wonder how many credit cards she had by different names even later Bella and CeCe may have had? She was the Boss Babe of Bamboozled! Rim job no charge!
@@Njk1nek2 Let me Guess so because that charge was dismissed there weren't any others? Sort of like creating reasons why posting pictures of a child with shit smeared all over its face eating the contents of a dirty diaper wasn't cause for alarm and should be chocked up to more enchanting content? I know the enabling excuse making drill...Never happened!
@@Njk1nek2 I'm sharing my opinion and theories I said possibly what don't you understand? Possibly! Proof her own posts exhibited CeCe eating her shit so hilarious her deranged mother thought giving her milk was delightful to share! Maybe Kelly doesn't support Cancel Culture Coots that can't cope with ideas or discussions?
@@Njk1nek2 She had issues with her job and her husband at the time cited she stopped coming home at night? ! So is he not telling the truth because people are naturally curious about where she was going at night?
If I were an employer let's say at a Children's Hospital call center with access to clients information certainly having a subject suspected of embezzling funds might have been a potential liability to the hospital just as a person potentially suspected of Munch Hustling by Proxy services might have no longer been needed? Only questions and a theory. A little disclaimer for the discussion phobic child neglect excuse makers that clog justice for the Children!
Maybe it was Nicole. It could have also been one of her followers who FINALLY took a small stand against all of Shannon’s poor/dysfunctional online behavior
I was just organizing my Watt's photos and videos and I noticed a bouquet of flowers on the island. Wish I could remember which photo or video it was. Anyway, I don't think she would have went to NC and left Chris all alone if she thought he was with someone. I think the fact that he passed the test and lived an entire year without her in the same state, she had some trust.
@@countrysunshinegal3038 well we know that they had the upcoming trial with their homeowners. And it's been said that she went to NC so that they would save on expenses over the summer. Also, grow her Thrive business. So, I think that was the plan.
She stayed behind in NC to sell her house she lived in when she met the douchebag. He stayed in Colorado with friends of theirs as their new house was being built & he worked at Ford as a mechanic.
@@joshuaearp9494 She did a few events and a few videos. I truly think she knew something was really wrong in NC. And with fighting with his parents , with being poisoned and pregnant, AND with suffering from migraines (i have those and they are awful, also have an autoimmune health challenge)I just don't think was ontop of he game... obviously. I've been working on video's that show their time in NC. Just when I think im done with the series, new video or photos appear. I'm working on number 4 right now. The NC trip and Saratoga home really interest me right now.
I think it's a very strong possibility it was NK doing the faces. No doubt she would want to see what she considered her competition in action. As far as the flowers they're very colorful n probably caught Chris's eye so he picked them up for her.
What turns me off about shannan is her disingenuousness and pretentiousness. And how she treated her husband. They were more roomates than lovers....roomates where one was doing all the house work and bringing in the vast majority of the money...
Agreed. He had no backbone. No guy I know would tolerate being told what to do or talked to like they are an ignorant child but he allowed it. Maybe she knew he was like that and that’s what drew her to him. He was passive, she was aggressive. They definitely didn’t seem like a loving and happy couple to me but I have only seen bits and pieces of their life.
I don't think any of us can judge by the clips in the video what their relationship was like. I think that CW is a very weak man who adapted to whoever he was with and tried to be just what the other person wanted him to be. There are tons of people out there like that. No personality, no convictions, no principles of their own. It is not fair to blame SW for Chris Watt's lack of personality. As for him bringing in the vast majority of the money, what is wrong with that??? His wife had two small children, and to me it seems very normal and natural for one parent to stay home for the first couple of years to take care of the children.
@@charliebarrow7086 and she put him into bankruptcy twice. The house was a month from foreclosure,and he made nearly 90 k a year....he wasn't the only sick one....the damn basement was loaded with that thrive shit because her pyramid scheme was ruining them both. Thats my point.
@@ann3654 Ohhh, another one that creams her pants at the thought of Chris Watts? Have you written to him yet and asked for a pair of his worn underwear? You know nothing about what Shannan Watts did or didn't do. I go by what her family and friends said, and by their accounts she was a brilliant mother and wife. By the way, Chris thought the same until he met the ho....
É ela não percebeu que estava correndo perigo na própria casa. Devia ter ido embora com as crianças para junto dos pais dela, melhor do que ficar e querer competir, porque quem compete sempre perde.Lamentável.
Nk didn't even seem interested in the interview. U were woth someone that did something so tragic and u talked about having a child with him u should be frantic and crying. Nope, she seems like she dont care and aint interested. Nk has no right to take something that aint hers.
Wow,Kelly! Great video 👍! I have never seen any of these clips or knew anything about the "mean faces" on Shannan's live. I definitely think it is a good possibility that it was NK. Really interesting...🤔. It's a shame that the discovery is very selective and misleading regarding almost every aspect of this case!!!
Shanann was so pretty. Just from watching her videos it really seems that she was beautiful inside and out! Such a senseless horrific tragedy that never should have happened.RIP Shanann, Bella, Cece and baby Nico
She was!! NK was kinda plane Jane-ish. She was a loner single in her mid 30’s with no kids and I think she had like one friend. That jim guy who was probably her meth plug.
Seems like little games are being played for sure, plus, I've cooked thanksgiving dinner, no way would I have flowers on the counter, I need all my room, she wanted those to be seen, which is fine, no hate here, I feel bad when any couple has infidelity, makes my stomach upset. My first husband, father of my three children, cheated on me, and to this day I vowed NEVER to do that to anyone no matter what the circumstances, it's just so devastating, sometimes we get stuck in habits that may be annoying or irritating, and while understandable to want a change, those rarely last either, it's better to talk through the problems if possible, and if not, just agree to disagree and move on, no reason to break someone's heart. We are a very selfish society, we don't handle discomfort of any kind very well, but getting through it is what makes us stronger, not running from it. I know, every situation is unique, that's just one thing I could never do to someone else😢
My husband did. same after 30 Years 3 Children … another woman and he changed rapidly the hate kept growing before he left way before but I did not suspect anything cause he always had a bad temper .. except him getting fit most times a sign of cheating just like Chris .. but same thing my ex got hateful tried to get me arrested for no reason and so on .. if another partner Comes in play men change don’t care about nothing then the new woman anymore……
@@sarafan7494 even when preparing a huge meal? I can see it for decorative purposes when the counters aren't in use, but it seems to me they would be in the way. Either way, as with anything, just an opinion, since there are so many questions with this case, every little detail can be looked at as a piece of the puzzle.
@@countrysunshinegal3038 yes always. The kitchen is the hub of the house here. Sometimes I put flowers in the loungeroom but mostly it's in the kitchen and my kitchen is huge.
@@sarafan7494 lol, well that's definately the difference, I don't have much counter space, big kitchen, little counters, lol. I do love fresh flowers also, I always get the $5 Fridays bouquet from Safeway☺️well, at least until my roses bloom.
Do you have to be invited into a Facebook live ? If so, then that would show they knew each other. If that was NK sending the mean faces, then there seems to be a good possibility that Shannan would look her up to see who that person was. It would be interesting to see Shananns search records too.
Yeah! I never thought about that! I wonder what Shannan was searching up ! That would give a lot of answers as whether or not she knew about NK This case has me so stuck on it and it never has full answers
Im really observant and couldn’t help to notice it was after SW turned around a couple times. I took it as possibly NK got jealous seeing NK’s booty and/or she also saw the beautiful kitchen when SW walked to the fridge.
seriously? that is an odd thing to say. Neither was very attractive in my opinion. Why would NK be jealous? Shanann wasn’t paying the HOA dues. She was behind on payments on the mortgage of a home that was way over the value they could afford. If the Watts would have just been honest with themselves, with reality, with their financial situation they could have done things much differently.
@@pamelasmith6221 That wasn’t at all obvious from her vids. Take a troubled female such as NK who self admittedly professed she couldn’t get guys to commit coming from a broken home, very much was in want. SW did have her own issues, I’m not blinded by the idol worship that’s incurred with this, I see both (all) apparently/allegedly had PDO, and undiagnosed or unaddressed issues. However, SW was bubbly, out going and could at least attract friends where as we’ve seen the personality NK emitted, like dry bark and nails in a chalk board. Nk had to use s3x, s3x and more s3x, and advertise just how simple with no maintenance frugal lifestyle to appeal. Unfortunately, simpleton CW with zero experience, being emotionally immature (not good with adhering the proper titles to his emotions like distinguishing and processing) with a crippling Avoidant Personality Disorder couldn’t handle the entire situation. When he did use better sense to go home, she “Single White Female”meets “Fatal Attraction” him to his house, and after succumbing and finding himself in an impossible situation, (plus being a spineless coward) did what a very wise book tells us, can’t serve two masters, we’ll love one and hate the other. Moreover, after learning the “belief” system she, her father, the guy she deferred to as a “spiritual adviser” I whole heartedly feel a spiritual transaction transpired with him opening himself up willingly albeit somewhat fearfully. Evil didn’t just happen to him, he played with it and got burned. Is the best way I can say it. Being a coward is a terrible and dangerous thing. Theyre ok if a good leader is in control but change that one factor and chaos will ensue. They’re completely dangerous bc they’re sneaky, won’t face anyone in a fair fight (and I’m of the impression SW was blindsided or caught at a very disadvantage, if her positioning wasn’t just from the way she was so callously discarded, I dare say she was in the most vulnerable way a woman can be, and leave it at that) and fearful cowardly ppl are the most unstable and dangerous. There’s no glory awaiting in the Kingdom Come for cowards, especially those who will not even rescue or protect children. Doesn’t seem the spirit of salvation has been upon CW, bc if it had, he’d be a completely changed man, spilling his guts and separating from NK. I can’t say for sure if he has or hasn’t but we know a tree by its fruit. Furthermore , he’d realize the dangers of his soul and eternity. Therefore seriously seeking redemption, not playing pen pal and soap opera from prison. Maybe he his, as we aren’t privy to what he’s actually doing or feeling only told via third, fourth and so on. As I was saying, SW was effortlessly pretty , meaning she didn’t have to go to extremes or look like she had to, which is the look many aspire to. Also, regardless, SW had a rocking bod especially to be a mother of two toddler/pre K children. I don’t say kids bc they’re not goats but blessed children. (hate that’s caught on as there’s spiritual ramifications to that phase as well, but I digress.) She wasn’t having to deprive herself or work hard in the gym to have her body, it was natural. Ppl go in over NK bod, but SW had the better build, with smooth feminine curves. Onlookers wouldn’t have any idea of her catastrophic financial status and patterned issues. Notice NK inquired re 401k awfully soon just within an apparent six week period. Who does that to someone they supposedly “wasn’t that interested in.” NK is full of it. She was after him tooth and nail and was longing for materialistic belongings and a husband, etc. She was just too selfish and greedy and wanted it all for herself with no pre made children and ex to take away from her. That sums it full stop.
The only thing I can understand is if it was NK giving those mean faces that would mean that she would have to be on Shannon's Facebook friends list right? I mean that's how people see people's posts is they would have to be your friend unless Shannon made this a public post where anyone can watch it
Something that absolutely no one seems to realize/bring up when talking about these Google searches is that theyre just Google searches!! She couldve only googled shannan just those two times but that doesnt mean she wasn’t looking at her facebook page watching her every single day. Facebook stores your recently viewed searches in a dropdown menu, so you don’t even have to actually search the person after the first time, you can click right to their profile, which isnt the same as doing a search for a list of results. She was most likely watching the watts’ lives on the daily!!! Not just seeing her page around the times of those two google searches….
They dont bring up NK stalking SW is cos everyone got it just like u did that NK must've indeed started stalking SW after those first two searches. In other words, they r not saying it cos they assume that everyone already knows it.
I think it was possible though we may not ever know. I just want to put out there, it blows my mind this guy took this beautiful lady and kids from this world.
I really doubt it was NK throwing up the mean faces . Wasn’t her phone searched they were able to find certain things but I never heard the FBI saying you were on her live . So yeah.
in the wisconsin interview the cleaned up version without the backing hum you can hear its cut to ribbons ,also the questions and answers dont match up at all .its been edited to give a narrative they want but not what was really said .its a cover up with anadarko for sure .chris was set up the story is much deeper than it seems
Sorry, but this is ludicrous. NK didn't seem like the type to do petty BS like go on SW's lame livestreams? NK had a life. She was interested who CW was married to and did an internet search for SW. That doesn't mean she was on her livestreams. Also, the "mean face" BS isn't absolute truth. Don't understand why everyone on here acts like that actually happened when it's mere speculation. This is just dopey content for simple minds.
Who is the lil girl with brown hair sitting on the couch with cc and bella and chris? looks like the same lil girl playing in the kids playroom the day they all went missing and the cops were searching the house
I would like to point out that during his interrogation/lie detector/ imprisoned night,, I never heard him saying anything bad about Shannon. Even if you hate him,, there's still unknown facts we'll never know until he doesn't love NK and rolls over on her.
I see an awful lot of reaching with this case with trying to pin things on NK. Now maybe she did have something to do with it, I don't know but between AD and his latest videos with NK lately and now this with the mean face on Shananns Facebook live yeah, an awful lot of reaching going on. 🤔
Hey, I will be the first to say you have a decent point. I think of all the things that have been mentioned about NK, this is the biggest reach my arm. I agree with you. What is far more important is the contact NK would have seen that I covered in the live stream from Sunday evening. This video is kind of a compliment to that live stream. Good point… keepin it real! 🙏🏼
@@ND-or5so Shannan's family have even came out saying NK is innocent so why doesn't anyone take even their word for it? Is it any wonder she is pretty much hiding and changing her name. If anyone found her and doxxed her she would probably be attacked, death threats.
@@sarahelliott3229 I think NK was a bad influence and was involved in the murders. The Rzuceks are a rare breed. I would not take their word for anything on this case. They've shown some weird behaviors and beliefs. I bet Shannan was the only normal one in the family.
@@ND-or5so I do understand why some people think NK was involved but I don't think she was. I doubt we will ever truly find out either way. I have actually seen another content creator who has some simple, yet very logical counter arguments for the points that many believe implicate NK. Regardless of which side you're on with her involvement or lack thereof they were really thought provoking. I agree 100% with you regarding the trustworthiness of the Rzuceks. My point on their support of NK's innocence was aimed towards their die-hard supporters. Those folk who believe they are paragons of virtue and truth, who believe everything that comes out of their mouths, yet still think NK was involved despite their insistence that she was not involved. But they say that only to release the video footage of her police interview which brings attention to her again igniting fresh waves of hatred and speculation. If you don't mind me asking, do you think NK was fully complicit? The driving force? Do you think that she participated in all of the murders or carried out any of them alone? Do you think law enforcement knew and do you think part of Chris' plea deal was to take the fall for everything to absolve her of guilt fully? I'm not sure if it's allowed to let a killer go free if the other involved agrees to take the full blame.
Agreed. Of all of the videos that talk about anything having to do with NKI will give this to you, this is by far the most speculative. I agree with you on that. I think more important information is what she would’ve seen when she was doing the Google searches that appear in discovery, the material like covered on Sunday nights live stream. This video with more complement to that live stream. Good point
I think Shannon definitely had a feeling maybe something was going on and the only reason I'm saying this I was surprised you didn't mention it because you're so observant but it might not be a big deal but the song in the background solidified to me that she was having some feelings that maybe something wasn't right in the relationship whether it was cheating him not being interested who knows but I think she definitely had some feelings things weren't right in the relationship the song playing in the background is way too Good at goodbye it's a song about a person who gets cheated on in a relationship it's a really sad song but it's definitely about infidelity in a relationship or marriage one or the other but I think that's really weird the music she's listening to in the background and then the way she's carrying herself she seems kind of sad and down like a lots on her mind and then when she mentions the flowers I noticed she didn't seem very happy almost seem like they were definitely a present he got her out of guilt or to suck up to her or something because when my boyfriend brings me flowers I'm super happy the only time I'm not is if maybe it's a gift because we got into an argument or something I'm just saying I definitely think she had a spidey six sense that something was not right and I 100% believe cuz the song in the background she felt it could be over another woman
She really cares about what people think and Chris was the same way but for different reasons...I could tell those mean faces truly ruined her day .. so sad !! She seemed like she was always stressed and just couldn’t take in any happy moments..I’m her age now as she was then and the past couple years I really started to learn how important it was to take one day at a time and enjoy it , it takes years to do the inner work on yourself but I did think anyone told her what she needed to do to be happy... she was wrapped up in what Chris’s feeling were and he showed no emotion so that’s boring and no growth 😢
Kelly if 2 people commit a murder. And a investigation has already started and one person comes in and says I did it this is how and doesn’t budge at-all on accomplice takes a plea deal and goes to jail gets sentence . Does that mean they always stop investigating and even that evidence that was collected for dna or prints automatically stop??or just some cases. What I am asking is that the rule do you know? Curious
Sorry so long I just had to get it all out I get sick of poor watts dive deep before people ripp sw for her actions she always said I am not perfect but someone decided to just end it for her. Also poor Chris watts persuaded sw to go out with him she rejected him a few times he wasn’t scared or bullied ridiculous sorry not sorry imo
They mostly dont stop looking for other people but as u may have also heard, many people have accused the cops of covering up for nicole cos her father was a former cop.
It really doesn't matter any longer what we think bc the investigation was ended when CW confessed to the whole thing. Shanann didn't ask for ANY of this nor her three babies! I just hope & Pray that somehow Shanann has gotten some peace. Like her or not, she & her children had to pay for something they had NO control over! I hope & Pray Shanann's Family & Friends also have peace. I'm in my 60's & it slays me as to how humans can treat one another so horribly!
That’s what I been thinking they probably didn’t know about this but it happened a lot cause the one video she’s on with Cassie she sounds scared she shuts down the live stream
I think those searches were absolutely cherry-picked as to not make NK seem at all to blame for any little variable that may have in some way affected Chris's decision-making in this tragedy
She threw a bit of shade at cindy by saying she’s trying to teach cw how to cook. I’d surmise the meanies are from that side of the family. I really don’t think it was nk, seriously she had a career , no time for trolling. IMO
@@gabrielacard7050Then again, the married man had time to screw around with her. What was a married man and father even doing looking at another woman? He had a wife and children at home.
The audio disappeared for a few minutes, but its there for most of the video. The emojis were on Shannan's screen while she was live streaming and we can't see them.
Yea but where there is live broadcasting and such online you are gonna eventually run into weird haters for no reason too. I used to be a beauty influencer and I could be doing the least offensive thing ever and still get hate and mean faces.
I believe that Shanann had a worry that the mean faces had something to do with Chris. So much about this case makes no sense. NK was treated differently things about her were hidden- your guess is as good as mine
This woman was herself mean & moody. It’s been 4 years since she died. Who cares anymore what she thought about anything. Geez, move on. Don’t you have other ideas to present on UA-cam? 🙄
Doubt it was Nicole she’s gonna get blamed just because of the affair I think she fot a raw deal too Chris lied tru his teeth to her she is also a victim in this I think people need to get over blaming and using her for any unexplained event Chris is the Quilty one he didn’t involve anyone else the law has covered this nd they knew she was genuinely a victim and when she looked up the names it was because of thrive she was told they sold it she was into your health PLEASE PEOPLE check The facts 😳
How was she a victim? She knew he was married, she knew he had children. She must have known that a third baby was on the way and yet she was whxxxng around with CW. That makes her a slxt and NOT a victim.
@@marycianteo7966 as Kelley has pointed out before, she also says in her very first documented correspondence w CW, via email, that she is looking to 'build something similar to what you have done with your WIFE and those cute little girls'. Doesn't sound like she thought they were separating.
@@erinh87 Exactly, she knew he was married with children but still pursued an affair. In light of what happened it is obvious that she won't admit that she was in a relationship with CW.
NK definitely knew he was married. She checked out Chris and Shanann’s FB profiles. She well knew. I don’t doubt she probably talked about family annihilators etc.. and somehow gave him the idea.
I saw other videos of other mothers making fun of her or implying things. They seemed to poke at her and lack of cooking. The childrens hair her material focus etc
I don’t have FB, but wouldn’t she be able to find out who was posting the mean emojis? Wouldn’t it be tied to a certain account? Maybe it was Chris. I didn’t even realize NK knew Chris at this point until today, wow.
Based on coworker Anthony Browns interview with FBI he stated that when they heard that Chris had been having an affair with someone from Anadarko that he knew right away who it was and that back in march he witnessed NK and Chris in the hallways extra close and already had the feeling that something weird was going on there.. yeah just according to everyone’s statements and interviews with data info and search history there’s absolutely no way that was a 6 wk affair…more like 6+months and perhaps even earlier than that.
I believe Shanann most definitely knew. Which is the reason she bought flowers for herself and mentioned on camera to let the woman know that Chris is happier at home... to step off!
Good point. maybe she really bought the flowers to herself. Feel so sorry for how she must have feelt.
Kelly, I completely agree you. I have thought this of this video for along time. I also felt bad because you can tell it upset her.
The look on her face 😕Makes us sad!
I think it’s crazy that not one person has come out, at least I haven’t heard or seen, and shared any interactions with Nicole Kessinger after all this. I don’t know where she moved and I know she changed her name, but this coverage is everywhere. With social media, you’d think someone would cross paths and figure out who she is and tell a story or something. Weird.
Maybe daddy put her on a plane to Spain or Nicaragua. Or some island that couldn't care less what white b-tch is on there and I'm white.
You would think so but ask her daddy. If - I'm not gonna say.
Steph O:
Do you watch Armchair Detective?
@@ND-or5so yes!
Steph O:
Some know exactly where she is but don't say anything. Maybe they don't like drama and want to stay out of it and mind their own business. Not everyone is a gossiping person. NK is not a wanted person. If I knew where she lived I wouldn't say a word because it's none of my business. You act like she is wanted by the FBI. Maybe you will mind your own business one day. I respect people's privacy.
I'm absolutely 💯 percent sure without a doubt in the whole universe that Nicole was lurking in every one of Shan'ans live streams from the day she learned she existed. Heck yeah, that's what mistresses do. I had a stalker by a girl my EX husband was screwing. They want to know EVERY DETAIL about the wife. They're obsessive and jealous and paranoid. It's sick. Yes. Nicole absolutely joined Shan'ans live streams..poor Shan'an, so unfair. And hey Nicole, if you're reading this, you won't get far for long. Your days are numbered no matter how many times you change your name.
You are absolutely correct about mistresses. I was once friends with a former coworker, who only dated married men or men who had common-law wives. Even before social media, she relentlessly stalked the wives of these men. She was absolutely obsessed with the wives. She would even try to befriend the wives. It was almost as if the relationship was more about the wife than the man. When the guys would realize how crazy she was, they would dump her. All hell would break loose. If she could not get the guy back in her clutches, she would find a way to let the wives know she had an affair with their husbands. There was one dude who left his longtime, common-law wife for her. He stuck around the longest, but he eventually got tired of her crap. She was such a nutcase about it that she stalked his 2nd wife and him for years and even after he died.
@@maggiebridget126 Yeah everything you're saying is so true. And it's so weird, between the mistress and the wife, you'd think the most jealous one would be the wife but it's the other way around. So strange..this girl would call me almost daily. I guess he gave her my number..even weirder. But she was as obsessed with me and what I was all about as she was my ex.
@@ginabizzarosghosts7831 He may have given her your number, but I'd bet dollars to donuts that she was determined to find out what your number was and he had nothing to do with it. Before the digital age, my former coworker would go to great lengths to find out everything, including phone numbers. At one point, she was working in a position that required her to do credit checks and background checks. She would use those capabilities to stalk the wives. Of course, it was illegal, but that never stopped her. I now think she applied for positions like that just so she could have access. She is one of the sneakiest people I've ever known. Now, of course, people can use search engines like My Life, etc. I do know that at one point, she had a subscription to White Pages. It must have been their best package because there wasn't anything she didn't know about the wives. She would be so obsessed that she would even try to copy how the wives dressed. If a wife had a Louis Vuitton purse, she had to get one. Hers was usually second-hand or a knockoff, though. If the wife had a favorite restaurant, that became her favorite restaurant. If the wife worked with the public, she would find some excuse to pop in at the wife's place of employment. It was never-ending with her.
@@maggiebridget126 ...was her name Nichol?
Oh no! that must have been really weird and scary for you! I think you’re right. May your life remain stalker free. 💕
Every one knows NK was stalking the family... Its sad because you can tell she is troubled by the mean faces posts. I'm sure she thought something just wasn't right.
After finding out Nicole Kessinger had looked up Shanann long before she & Chris met at work; all the obvious tactics NK used to get Chris...I think NK became obsessed with Shanann & Chris. NK was only 2 years younger than Shanann & she was over 30, single, driving a pick up truck, living alone in an apartment...& looking at Shanann's life on social media...a beautiful home, beautiful children, good looking attentive husband, vacations, Shanann got to work from home & was seemingly successful at it, seemed to have a ton of friends...I think NK was the one who saw Shanann's life on social media (possibly initially looking into Thrive herself, being that she was once a little chubby & was getting into weight loss & fitness)...or...was NK already working at the same place as Chris & NK began kind of stalking him? Over heard a possible conversation Chris may have had with a co worker about his weight loss & his wife's Thrive? Lots of possibilities. But it's clear NK went after Chris Watts ...absolutely could have been her throws out all the "mean faces" on Shanann's FB live. I think investigators dismissed NK's potential involvement way too soon...they were to eager to get Chris. After discovering NK initially lied to them about when she first met Chris...that should have thrown up red flags.
Not everyone wants all that, don't forget the debt they were in. I drive a pick-up truck by choice and I am 68. I've always had a truck. Thrive is a pyramid scheme, nobody would be jealous of that.
Maybe NK did all that. Still, I don't think she was involved at all. And let me remind you that to this day she hasn't been charged with anything. Obviously, the police never found any evidence against her.
@@linsioux217 That's a great point and I'd have to agree with you .. 👍👏
@@user-vz3fh6oj7d jealous of how they appeared on social media...before she and her children were viciously murdered by her adulterous husband. Before everyone knew of their financial & marital problems.
@@ashleyshelton3748 I don't think she had anything to do with the murders directly. I do think her sending the lyrics to the Metallica song "battery" is odd. Yoga doing, wanna be new age/wiccan/hippie chicks of Colorado don't usually listen to Metallica. Still, I absolutely think NK first stalked Chris and went after him, completely intending to steal him from his family.
Does anyone else find it really odd that to this day, cw hadn't said anything bad about Shannon? I mean, if you killed your spouse, wouldn't you tell people how much they put you in debt, demeaned you, treated you like a child, embarrassed you, etc? I mean, come on Chris, if she was so great and did nothing to you, why the rage? Rage for what exactly? And yet nothin from Chris. Makes me feel like whatever deal was made, included in it was not to bad mouth Shannon, because he makes it seem like he had no good reason at all to do what he did. I have never heard him mention that she put them in debt and that made him really angry, has anyone else. This is beyond bizzare to say the least.
You make an interesting point with perhaps some clause written into the plea deal. It is not something I have considered before.
His reasons for not talking bad of her could be down to guilt(hard to believe I know) and the thoughts of whatever Shanann did in no way justify it-things like messing up their finances. Yeah you'd be angry but there were ways to fix that. Why take that to the point of killing his children who had no role in any of that. He might just not see the point of bad-mouthing her. Nothing he does will make anyone pity him, or give him reason. In fact bashing Shannan will only make people hate him even more. If that's possible. These reasons are quite basic but I don't think we will ever find out the truth.
@CountrySunshine
Read your Bible Ma’am, NOTHING justifies murder. NOTHING. But you got your slander towards Shannan in though, so do you feel better now?
@@jenj5152 nothing justifies any sin, yet they happen every second. Why does there always have to be a disclaimer "I do not believe this woman, nor her children, deserved to be murdered"? You don't think it's strange that a man kills a family he helped create, and yet says nothing bad?? Have you read your Bible ma'am? The verse about "it's better to live in a corner on the rooftop than in a house with a quarrelsome woman"? Do you just think you can treat people like crap, and that's fine as long as you don't kill them? You do know words hold a lot of power right? I mean, if you're bringing up the Bible, surely you know the golden rule.
@@jenj5152 she never slandered Shannan actually. She was simply stating what Chris could have said were his reasons for killing her.
I've heard or read (in some youtube comment) that Chris said he was sleeping in the basement cos they were seperating soon. It doesn't mean that he explicitly gave Shannan's behavior as the reason but i think he assumed that no one would blame themselves for the separation which means that it can be safely concluded that if asked, he would cite Shannan's behavior as the reason.
And of course it bothered her, her life was all a show. What others thought of her would bother her way more than most people.
I agree, And I had This exact same thought when I was creating the video. Even with what you said here, I find her reaction based on her behavior to be extreme. It doesn’t necessarily mean it was NK, just my opinion. Thanks for commenting
This video is very tastefully done. My fave was Bella gobbling down chocolate chips. Poignant when one knows what happened to this family.
Chris Watts is in his own hell. Perhaps others involved could be too. Who knows? This is a sad video.
not condoning the murders in the least but all you on here who think Shannan was such a saint, need to watch the video of her and CW playing a life-sized outside checkers game. she was mean
Yeah i saw that just recently,, she absolutely destroys him, belittles and teases him. Its uncomfortable to watch
@@user-lk8bz7hg2bWhy did Chris allow her to belittle him? Why didn’t he have the beach balls to defend himself?
It IS odd but I guess she was doing it for her MLM, Thrive. I don’t think she had a huge audience watching her on those lives. I also feel like doing the lives gave her some type of satisfaction internally. Made her feel good. The thing is, many argue that she HAD no to do this in order to sell her product but I read somewhere a quote by Shanann where she said she did not need to do the facebook lives but she chose to. There were many awkward and/or uncomfortable moments where she should have ended her live but she did not. It’s really sad because knowing what we know now, she was portraying a life and lifestyle that was no where near reality. This is just such a sad and strange case. I wish it didn’t end up the way it did.
That was a great comment, I think it’s a really beautiful way to look at things. I’ve never really thought about that in regards to Shannon and the live streams. She was just a human being doing her best. Thank you for leaving such a nice comment
I wouldn't say she was portraying a fake life it may not been 100% of what her life truly was. But it was close Shannan loved 😍 her family so much and l Believe she worked every day to make her life picture perfect. She was a very smart 🤓 lady and when there were signs something was up or not right trust me she would talk to her family, friends, and Chris. It could of been Chris's Family (Mom,)
It bothers me that she used her husband and children as pawns in the video. The kids needed things (attention, food, water ect) and Shanann just kept telling them to say hi. She was all about selling product, no matter the cost to her family (both financially and emotionally)
@@nathandevine437 That's what narcissistic people do they make you think that everything Is perfect She used her kids and her husband as ponds
@@IamJaime214 Exactly but if you say that people say oh you're bashing her you either have people that disagree about her lifestyle where people that are completely obsessed and think she was just so brilliant
No one think it's weird streaming yourself coocking in your own home, with your baby's? On open streaming for all to see? I think it is kind of creepy, and unsafe in America.
Cooking* and babies*
I agree. It’s too personal.
I wouldn't do it but each to their own I guess.
I do find it eccentric. Doing Facebook lives was something she "chose to"...but WHY? Why this incessant, exhibitionstic need to be watched by others? Surely she should be aware that everyone would not admire her - at least not her need for attention?
@@lisbethlarsen6427 I think she DID think everyone was loving everything about her and I believe that she had them all afraid to buck against her. One of the biggest examples of this is the video of her wearing a black charcoal mask and telling others how to clean makeup brushes. Geez! Then after that. She said that if yall wanted I'll grab Chris and make him do it because " HE DOES EVERYTHING SHE SAY ANYWAY " says it all.
I'm sure NK was too busy enjoying her day off as she worked 5 full days each week.
You can hear her in the background when she steps away SCREAMING at CC in a MUCH different way than she speaks to them on camera. Scary.
I thought I heard someone screaming. I'll bet she did. I know that everyone hates Chris,, but she had him and Bella a nervous wreck. The whole thing was a disaster.
I don't know if it's true but there's speculation the reason why those girls were at day care all day is because cps was involved and she couldn't be alone with them
@Rifle Eyez I understand that! But things have many facets. Let's say ( leaving the girls out) in my opinion he lived 8 years having to be a nervous wreck. He bathed the girls and played with them, was SW ever playing, NO !!
WOULD YOU, IF YOU'RE A MAN, WORK ABOUT 12 HOURS A WEEK AND EVERY DAY PICK THEM UP. NEVER GETTING ANY POCKET MONEY OR ALLOWED TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO IT. HAVING A WOMAN TELL YOU THAT YOU AND YOUR KIDS CAN'T SEE YOUR MOM AND DAD ( HIS BEST FRIEND) AND NEVER GETTING TO HAVE ANY HOBBIES OR OTHER FUN STUFF? IM A CHRISTIAN AND I HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT HE WAS A VERY GOOD PERSON. I THINK HE FOUND NK WHO SHOWED RESPECT AND HOBBIES. I ALSO BELIEVE NK WAS A SATANIST ( THAT WAS COMMON KNOWLEDGE) I BELIEVE " SOMETHING: EVIL TOOK OVER HIS SOUL. HE WAS JUST SO GREAT FOR BEING AN ABUSED HUSBAND,, BEFORE ! YOU'VE SEEN THE VIDEOS AND HE WAS RIDICULED CONSTANTLY ONLINE. SHE HAD HIM WHIPPED. I FEEL BAD FOR ANYONE WHO PUT UP WITH THAT CRAP FOR 8 YEARS.
@Rifle Eyez I agree
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I'll be glad when Chris tells us the real truth. Have a merry Christmas yall
@@vickiwilson2185all of this doesn’t matter. She was brutally murdered. Who cares what she did or didn’t do. Chris could leave her. It’s called a divorce. It’s so gross when people feel pity for Chris
I don’t think it was N. I think it was any random person or a troll, and her reaction to minor criticism
Agree, she was all about getting positive feedback and validation. She craved attention and control, many people would have been more than happy to go on her many videos and “unlike” them.
Those mean faces could of been chris in a fake account because he suppressed his feelings with shannan he may have created a fake account to mess with her head....
After rewatching this video I am more sickened by SW it giving a thought about her baby being stuck in the TOILET than some mean faced emojis. Yes the emojis are definitely concerning but her talking about cooking and other things that could have waited bothers me more
Shanann was absolutely obsessed with portraying a perfect (and fake) online image. It was her whole identity.
It's also possible she bought the flowers herself. They are very conveniently placed directly in the site of the camera....
That's a good point. Because of her saying " just for fun " . Yep. I think you're right
Doesn't mean she deserves what happened to her and her babies
Shannan bought the flowers 🌺
Right, how desperate
I figured that too!
It’s ridiculous to think that NO one else could have sent mean faces to Shanann.
Exactly. Her lives were insufferable and it was repulsive when she used her poor kids as unwilling props.
It was probably me I hate all these pyramid scheme sh!t
@@bryanlouro140 It's not just you.
I get what you’re saying. And everyone’s saying. But if I’m to be one hundred percent honest I hold back on posts and sharing BECAUSE of this case and others like it. I hate that Shannan had to learn a deep lesson in vulnerability and moving in silence the hardest way possible.
I agree ! Mean faces could have come from any one who new her!
I felt bad for her here , the social media in general did her no good. No telling who it was ... sometimes people make mean faces as a mistake.
12:20 Bella tell her that Cc is stuck in the toilet and screaming bc she's 2 and made to go in the rest room herself. Sw just keeps talking about thrive crap
Yes that Laser Lady, she was utterly preoccupied with social media broadcasts either selling the Thrive crap or boasting about her lifestyle, home and perfect family. All the time ignoring the basic needs of the children who were craving some attention, making sarcastic comments about Chris while he ran around fetching and carrying for her
She’s stuck in the toilet? 😮
@@wgcds7jyg897It means she was done with her business and wanted mommy to come clean her up.
Wow, what a great point. I mean, the subtle but glaringly obvious things that have been directly in front of our faces for years, yet we still see things for the first time
I feel so bad for Shanann and beautiful Cece and Bella. And the more I look into this case the more I think NK knows a lot more than she's telling. What is even worse is that since CW confessed, law enforcement stopped looking at possible accomplices. I know that's typical but still...I believe NK knew what CW was planning to do because she helped him plan it. I also believe she helped him with the attempted cover-up after.
Right!!? Anyone with any intelligence would be very interested in wanting to know why CW confessed so quickly, what those things he said he would take to the grave about NK, obviously want to investigate her as a suspect considering how CW changed his story quickly confessed and told them to leave her alone...
They know CW is a liar, killed his family for his mistress in one way or another, and you wouldn't believe that any real detective would just stop investigating due to a BS confession that kept changing... Also, with all the lies and potentially very criminal behavior that NK has been caught saying in the many interviews in her own words and in partaking, as well as the things her Masonic Daddy told the detectives about hurrying the case along (for NK's sake) before detectives or L.E. or prosecutors change their minds (and begin to think that NK played a vital role in the crimes), any intelligent, rationally thinking DETECTIVE in this case, especially, would see red flags all over the place and feel NK played a huge role in the planning and murders and feel it necessary to interrogate NK as a suspect and not afford her the special treatment that she had no reason to be receiving from the L.E. community in the first place!!!
It feels like someone paid a bunch of agencies and/or agents, detective, and prosecutors some large sum of money to NOT even look into NK or investigate any further after the liar, CW, confessed at least three different times, at least 2 confessions being blatant lies,if not all...
It's obviously the one who gave the confession was protecting NK. It's also clear that Masonic Daddy and even the L.E. community were protecting NK!!!
Those of us out here who know just a little bit about this case are very agitated and upset about NK obviously getting off so easy in consideration of the lies she told and her tampering of evidence belonging to not only her, but her friends also, and even CW's.
This will not go away until NK is heavily investigated and that is made public. They wouldn't just stop investigating after CW lied to them and falsely confessed many times, blamed everything on SW/SR, and also stated very clearly that he'd take what he and NK did to his grave.
Something is very wrong here in the case of NK!!! Her lies and deleted data, and the fact that she had friends delete data as well, are crimes alone that she committed and they have the evidence and confessions to those crimes...
What L.E. did in NK's case WAS criminal... Her lies changing so much, the lies she was basically immediately caught telling, and the destruction of evidence were plenty enough for L.E. to investigate her as a main suspect!!! We know this much. So why do the investigators not treat this as we all would?! I wish SW/SR's friends and families pushed all L.E. really hard into investigating NK. I'm not aware that they did push that... But they should have been pushing them and should especially push them even harder now!!!!!
It's all so hard to imagine how and why anyone could be so evil by erasing their entire families in just a few minutes of time. It's sick and disturbing. I feel like he had a lot of help and someone helping him with the planning of this.
Honestly, CW is not at a very intelligent person. He's got a low EQ/IQ, I don't care about what anyone else wants to say or think about his mental capacity. I feel and understand him and be on the lower end of the spectrum.
Also, I believe that NK was there with him in Frederick that morning, possibly even when Shan'ann arrived home... A neighbor saw NK's 4-Runner that morning.
Seems like everyone officially involved in this case have LOW IQ/EQ's, are total idiots or fools, and are likely bought-off on NK's guilty AF side.
I believe it was Nikki kessinger using a fake account, she probably stalked shanann's Facebook everyday knowing that weirdo. She was manipulative, gone in the head and obsessive! I hope that Nikki kessinger comes on social media and reads everything, that everyone has said about her. I know for a fact that she knew what that monster was going to do to his precious family.
Oh I’m pretty sure she is coming on here and reading everyone comments about her especially the bad ones and I hope she knows how much she’s hated worldwide and that millions of people know she was involved and she should be rotting in prison right now .
If she had known he was a monster do you think nk would have pursued him?
She is a monster herself! @@susanarsoniadou
You don't really love Shannon if you hate Nicole!
@@susanarsoniadou probably cause NK chasing anything in trousers
With the children being so small,and NK knowing she was 15 weeks pregnant,she was heartless to carry on the affair.Unless she had an ulterior motive,because no way would anyone date a man with those huge responsibilities,and a baby on the way.
Seems very odd to me the fact she's just disappeared off the planet.That doesn't scream innocent.
She's dangerous to the public & should be in prison.
I agree. Heartless to carry on that affair. I had a homewrecker in my first marriage and my youngest daughter was only two.
B-tches and Pricks don't care. That's how powerful the sex drive is but on top of it demanding stuff as if she has a right (NK). I will say that there is always gonna be some one willing. It's good to have morals and scruples in place and not to act and hide behind just the notion.
I’m not an NK fan and Shanann’s death was an atrocity. But she sucked as a mother. Among other thing her philosophy of letting her kids “cry it out”, which is disturbing and cruel. She was messed up. Early bedtimes too. 2 hours naps on top of that. Daily preschool, all day long. The girls were eclipsed by sleep and daycare. Shanann was at home but clearly kept the girls at bay as much as possible. Sickening. She was all about herself despite all the posing as if she was so attached the girls. 🤮
@@angelwings7930
People don't all have the same parenting skills or system. Your mother or any mother could have dropped us on our heads and never said anything.
I’ve thought that maybe it was someone saying that she’s showing up on their feed. I heard in more than one interview that people said they had to block her because they were so annoyed by what sounded like almost constant lives. It could be just that. Someone who didn’t know her well and was annoyed and just bombarded her with mean faces. We don’t know but I think that is more plausible than her knowing anything about NK
Anyone who is on live chat is going to get mean faces and rude comments, I am sure NK isn't the only one who didn't like SW.
One year later and there’s proof she had first hand knowledge of what happened!💯🤷♀️💔
I don't think it was NK I think it was people that seen out of the way she treated her kids
Yes
Google searches aside, I’m a firm believer that NK forced her way into that Contractor HSE position with Anadarko… She basically took a 40% cut in her salary by switching from Field Technician to HSE Specialist… Why? Isn’t she supposed to be very savvy when it comes to money and career decisions? Because this move did not make any sense unless she had an ulterior motive…. 🤷🏻♂️
Why did Chris leave his Mechanic job and go to the Oil Field? He took a 30k cut there all because his wife told him he had Carpal Tunnel?? Was he ever actually diagnosed by a Dr?
@@DesertBluebells She's probably changed her name and look and took employment elsewhere. I think and it's just my opinion, but either in Texas, Oklahoma or Alaska.
Interesting approach… I would think that an Oilfield Tech would make more $ compared to a car mechanic, but may be wrong since I only know the oilfield salary part… $64k per year in the oilfield, as a senior technician in Caolorado is extremely underpaid he should have been making at least $85k… These two (NK/CW) don’t make sense at all in any aspect!
@@JoseluisdeHOU He took a pay cut of about 30k
So maybe nk stalked the watts family before they cw started that job.I qonder what nk real reaaon for going after him...Maybe it had little to do with cw...I reckon her real bf was this Jim guy as why of all dsys did he come to stay the night with nk....could he be invokved too.NK certainly told the police to leave that jim guy alone?
I seriously doubt it was NK. Edit: I watched the actual video on another channel and I now believe that those 😡 faces were probably because she said she didn't like Pie.
Oh! wow- possible. Thanks for that.
@@WattsTheObsession You're welcome. I just don't think it was NK.
Sometimes a very simple answer is the correct one. I don't believe it was NK either. It seems like a lot of effort and she just so happened to stumble into Shanann's live streams at just the right moment? Twice? It could have been someone amongst her own friend list. It happens. Someone who just looked into her life and didn't like her, do some mean faces to cause upset.
@@sarahelliott3229 My thoughts exactly.
@@joshuaearp9494 I think you're being naive
All of her videos were to feed her tremendous ego. She used Thrive as a way to perform for her audience as she loved to be the center of attention. It gave her the opportunity to show her “perfect” life to her friends. Huge huge ego
Either that or she had genuinely fallen vicrim to the MLM scam and now had to be a performing monkey just to meet their targets.
YOURE SO RIGHT.
Tbh, my gutt is telling me she was looking at a mean face emoji posted up by her other killer.
I think they were living way beyond their means and no changes in lifestyle were in sight. I believe CW was freaking out about this coupled with a new baby. CW was so arrogant he thought he'd get away with his evil acts.
With the way the time-line went it totally could have been NK. I think she did think something was off..she was totally thrown off in that video and i do find the flowers strange especially the way she talks about the flowers being for "fun" in a whatever type attitude shows her little appreciation for them especially because i dont see her liking those kind i bet to win her over she would have wanted a dozen red or white roses. Thats how shanann rolls.
Men don't buy fake flowers. She had fake flowers on top of the kitchen cupboards.
Bought by Shannan as Chris had no say in choosing anything, according to him.
No. NK was not on Facebook. Those of us not on Facebook don’t live in this sort of world.
I don’t know who it was but I can’t just assume it was NK. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was verified to be true but right now, I honestly don’t know. Could have been a random stranger just joining and didn’t like something she said. Who knows?
I am for the most part not on Facebook, I have to get on Facebook a few times a year for various reasons. This kind of language and activity is not natural for me either. However, I don’t believe that NK was on Facebook. She knew an off a lot about how Chris Watts had to go about canceling canceling canceling his Facebook account rather than just canceling it… She found a way around the Internet very well. I think she was on all of those social media sites. IMO
That Bella is clearly hungry and was hiding after she ate the dough.
Maybe it was someone she giped out of a cash prize from her faux drawings?
Or it was just a bad review.
Something that's always confused me- and maybe you've covered this before Kelly and I've just missed it- is how did they get her goog searches from 2017, I thought they were only "permitted" to her phone data/searches/txts for like July & Aug 2018?
This is a very good question, I have the same question and I do not know the answer. I tried to look into this a few times and have not found anything conclusive that I could report out on and feel good about it. I think I’m going to look into this again, thank you for bringing up this very good point!
Ty for this video! I thought this from the beginning! You are the only one brought this up! Ty! And I think NK got immunity for talking but they didn't think she was involved at the time. And yes they covered up. Alot! There's so much more they haven't talked about!
I never understand Lives videos- i really don’t care about someone cooking or cleaning- i have my own cooking and cleaning to do. It’s just so crazy how people become obsessed putting their entire lives on-line.
Most likely they want to make it look non commercial while casually throwing in some product promotion.
Infact the few home making videos i watched reminded me of the housework i was running away from, so i stopped watching them! 😂
Maybe it was someone she rolled back in NC by her embezzling shady dealings?
@@Njk1nek2 No other incidents possibly involving credit card scams per her unusually numerous addresses back in her Durty Deeds done not cheap days! People do use finance options seeking customization of vehicles!? No?And she was unable to control her impulse especially when it came to money or the potential to scam someone! Defo riding the Boss's disco stick for a reason? It also makes me wonder how many credit cards she had by different names even later Bella and CeCe may have had? She was the Boss Babe of Bamboozled! Rim job no charge!
@@Njk1nek2 Let me Guess so because that charge was dismissed there weren't any others? Sort of like creating reasons why posting pictures of a child with shit smeared all over its face eating the contents of a dirty diaper wasn't cause for alarm and should be chocked up to more enchanting content? I know the enabling excuse making drill...Never happened!
@@Njk1nek2 I'm sharing my opinion and theories I said possibly what don't you understand? Possibly! Proof her own posts exhibited CeCe eating her shit so hilarious her deranged mother thought giving her milk was delightful to share! Maybe Kelly doesn't support Cancel Culture Coots that can't cope with ideas or discussions?
@@Njk1nek2 She had issues with her job and her husband at the time cited she stopped coming home at night? ! So is he not telling the truth because people are naturally curious about where she was going at night?
If I were an employer let's say at a Children's Hospital call center with access to clients information certainly having a subject suspected of embezzling funds might have been a potential liability to the hospital just as a person potentially suspected of Munch Hustling by Proxy services might have no longer been needed? Only questions and a theory. A little disclaimer for the discussion phobic child neglect excuse makers that clog justice for the Children!
Maybe it was Nicole. It could have also been one of her followers who FINALLY took a small stand against all of Shannon’s poor/dysfunctional online behavior
I was just organizing my Watt's photos and videos and I noticed a bouquet of flowers on the island. Wish I could remember which photo or video it was. Anyway, I don't think she would have went to NC and left Chris all alone if she thought he was with someone. I think the fact that he passed the test and lived an entire year without her in the same state, she had some trust.
I find that really odd also. Do we know yet why she left for so long? That is a REALLY long time to be away from your husband.
@@countrysunshinegal3038 well we know that they had the upcoming trial with their homeowners. And it's been said that she went to NC so that they would save on expenses over the summer. Also, grow her Thrive business. So, I think that was the plan.
She stayed behind in NC to sell her house she lived in when she met the douchebag. He stayed in Colorado with friends of theirs as their new house was being built & he worked at Ford as a mechanic.
@@parawomenradio And yet, how many "Thrive" videos did she even do while she was in N.C. One or 2 maybe.
@@joshuaearp9494 She did a few events and a few videos. I truly think she knew something was really wrong in NC. And with fighting with his parents , with being poisoned and pregnant, AND with suffering from migraines (i have those and they are awful, also have an autoimmune health challenge)I just don't think was ontop of he game... obviously. I've been working on video's that show their time in NC. Just when I think im done with the series, new video or photos appear. I'm working on number 4 right now. The NC trip and Saratoga home really interest me right now.
I think it's a very strong possibility it was NK doing the faces. No doubt she would want to see what she considered her competition in action. As far as the flowers they're very colorful n probably caught Chris's eye so he picked them up for her.
My gf doesn't think chris watts was all that. NK seemed so satisfied with her life. Low key, low frills. Just baffling why she'd go after SW.
What turns me off about shannan is her disingenuousness and pretentiousness. And how she treated her husband. They were more roomates than lovers....roomates where one was doing all the house work and bringing in the vast majority of the money...
Agreed. He had no backbone. No guy I know would tolerate being told what to do or talked to like they are an ignorant child but he allowed it. Maybe she knew he was like that and that’s what drew her to him. He was passive, she was aggressive. They definitely didn’t seem like a loving and happy couple to me but I have only seen bits and pieces of their life.
I don't think any of us can judge by the clips in the video what their relationship was like. I think that CW is a very weak man who adapted to whoever he was with and tried to be just what the other person wanted him to be. There are tons of people out there like that. No personality, no convictions, no principles of their own. It is not fair to blame SW for Chris Watt's lack of personality. As for him bringing in the vast majority of the money, what is wrong with that??? His wife had two small children, and to me it seems very normal and natural for one parent to stay home for the first couple of years to take care of the children.
@@charliebarrow7086 and she put him into bankruptcy twice. The house was a month from foreclosure,and he made nearly 90 k a year....he wasn't the only sick one....the damn basement was loaded with that thrive shit because her pyramid scheme was ruining them both. Thats my point.
@@charliebarrow7086 she never took care of the children they were either in daycare
or bed while she was at home !
@@ann3654 Ohhh, another one that creams her pants at the thought of Chris Watts? Have you written to him yet and asked for a pair of his worn underwear? You know nothing about what Shannan Watts did or didn't do. I go by what her family and friends said, and by their accounts she was a brilliant mother and wife. By the way, Chris thought the same until he met the ho....
I totally think it was NK throwing up the mean faces.
É ela não percebeu que estava correndo perigo na própria casa. Devia ter ido embora com as crianças para junto dos pais dela, melhor do que ficar e querer competir, porque quem compete sempre perde.Lamentável.
You know i think i would have given SW mean faces too. I mean lets be honest shes pretty annoying. Im not afraid to say it. Not only that
Nk didn't even seem interested in the interview. U were woth someone that did something so tragic and u talked about having a child with him u should be frantic and crying. Nope, she seems like she dont care and aint interested. Nk has no right to take something that aint hers.
Wow,Kelly! Great video 👍! I have never seen any of these clips or knew anything about the "mean faces" on Shannan's live. I definitely think it is a good possibility that it was NK. Really interesting...🤔. It's a shame that the discovery is very selective and misleading regarding almost every aspect of this case!!!
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There is no mean faces just mad ones
NK is a sneaky little home wrecker! She really is not a girls girl! These chicks don't care who they hurt,!
I feel shanann had no idea who was putting up the mean faces in fact ......we all don't even know who did .....its all speculating !!!
Shanann was so pretty. Just from watching her videos it really seems that she was beautiful inside and out! Such a senseless horrific tragedy that never should have happened.RIP Shanann, Bella, Cece and baby Nico
She was absolutely beautiful
She was!! NK was kinda plane Jane-ish. She was a loner single in her mid 30’s with no kids and I think she had like one friend. That jim guy who was probably her meth plug.
She was absolutely beautiful
She was a bad Mother
@@msjujuz266 Opinions are like assholes. everybody has one
Nicole kessinger lied her teeth off during those interrogations
So you are smarter than LE?
Seems like little games are being played for sure, plus, I've cooked thanksgiving dinner, no way would I have flowers on the counter, I need all my room, she wanted those to be seen, which is fine, no hate here, I feel bad when any couple has infidelity, makes my stomach upset. My first husband, father of my three children, cheated on me, and to this day I vowed NEVER to do that to anyone no matter what the circumstances, it's just so devastating, sometimes we get stuck in habits that may be annoying or irritating, and while understandable to want a change, those rarely last either, it's better to talk through the problems if possible, and if not, just agree to disagree and move on, no reason to break someone's heart. We are a very selfish society, we don't handle discomfort of any kind very well, but getting through it is what makes us stronger, not running from it. I know, every situation is unique, that's just one thing I could never do to someone else😢
My husband did. same after 30 Years 3 Children … another woman and he changed rapidly the hate kept growing before he left way before but I did not suspect anything cause he always had a bad temper .. except him getting fit most times a sign of cheating just like Chris .. but same thing my ex got hateful tried to get me arrested for no reason and so on .. if another partner Comes in play men change don’t care about nothing then the new woman anymore……
I always put fresh flowers in the kitchen.
@@sarafan7494 even when preparing a huge meal? I can see it for decorative purposes when the counters aren't in use, but it seems to me they would be in the way. Either way, as with anything, just an opinion, since there are so many questions with this case, every little detail can be looked at as a piece of the puzzle.
@@countrysunshinegal3038 yes always. The kitchen is the hub of the house here. Sometimes I put flowers in the loungeroom but mostly it's in the kitchen and my kitchen is huge.
@@sarafan7494 lol, well that's definately the difference, I don't have much counter space, big kitchen, little counters, lol. I do love fresh flowers also, I always get the $5 Fridays bouquet from Safeway☺️well, at least until my roses bloom.
Do you have to be invited into a Facebook live ? If so, then that would show they knew each other. If that was NK sending the mean faces, then there seems to be a good possibility that Shannan would look her up to see who that person was. It would be interesting to see Shananns search records too.
Yes I wonder why we can’t see her search records
Yeah! I never thought about that! I wonder what Shannan was searching up ! That would give a lot of answers as whether or not she knew about NK
This case has me so stuck on it and it never has full answers
It was someone who hates Thrive
Im really observant and couldn’t help to notice it was after SW turned around a couple times. I took it as possibly NK got jealous seeing NK’s booty and/or she also saw the beautiful kitchen when SW walked to the fridge.
Noticed that myself she was a gorgeous woman inside as well as out 💔
Shanann had a fat rear end.
seriously? that is an odd thing to say. Neither was very attractive in my opinion. Why would NK be jealous? Shanann wasn’t paying the HOA dues. She was behind on payments on the mortgage of a home that was way over the value they could afford. If the Watts would have just been honest with themselves, with reality, with their financial situation they could have done things much differently.
@@pamelasmith6221 That wasn’t at all obvious from her vids. Take a troubled female such as NK who self admittedly professed she couldn’t get guys to commit coming from a broken home, very much was in want. SW did have her own issues, I’m not blinded by the idol worship that’s incurred with this, I see both (all) apparently/allegedly had PDO, and undiagnosed or unaddressed issues. However, SW was bubbly, out going and could at least attract friends where as we’ve seen the personality NK emitted, like dry bark and nails in a chalk board. Nk had to use s3x, s3x and more s3x, and advertise just how simple with no maintenance frugal lifestyle to appeal. Unfortunately, simpleton CW with zero experience, being emotionally immature (not good with adhering the proper titles to his emotions like distinguishing and processing) with a crippling Avoidant Personality Disorder couldn’t handle the entire situation. When he did use better sense to go home, she “Single White Female”meets “Fatal Attraction” him to his house, and after succumbing and finding himself in an impossible situation, (plus being a spineless coward) did what a very wise book tells us, can’t serve two masters, we’ll love one and hate the other. Moreover, after learning the “belief” system she, her father, the guy she deferred to as a “spiritual adviser” I whole heartedly feel a spiritual transaction transpired with him opening himself up willingly albeit somewhat fearfully. Evil didn’t just happen to him, he played with it and got burned. Is the best way I can say it.
Being a coward is a terrible and dangerous thing. Theyre ok if a good leader is in control but change that one factor and chaos will ensue. They’re completely dangerous bc they’re sneaky, won’t face anyone in a fair fight (and I’m of the impression SW was blindsided or caught at a very disadvantage, if her positioning wasn’t just from the way she was so callously discarded, I dare say she was in the most vulnerable way a woman can be, and leave it at that) and fearful cowardly ppl are the most unstable and dangerous. There’s no glory awaiting in the Kingdom Come for cowards, especially those who will not even rescue or protect children.
Doesn’t seem the spirit of salvation has been upon CW, bc if it had, he’d be a completely changed man, spilling his guts and separating from NK. I can’t say for sure if he has or hasn’t but we know a tree by its fruit. Furthermore , he’d realize the dangers of his soul and eternity. Therefore seriously seeking redemption, not playing pen pal and soap opera from prison. Maybe he his, as we aren’t privy to what he’s actually doing or feeling only told via third, fourth and so on.
As I was saying, SW was effortlessly pretty , meaning she didn’t have to go to extremes or look like she had to, which is the look many aspire to. Also, regardless, SW had a rocking bod especially to be a mother of two toddler/pre K children. I don’t say kids bc they’re not goats but blessed children. (hate that’s caught on as there’s spiritual ramifications to that phase as well, but I digress.)
She wasn’t having to deprive herself or work hard in the gym to have her body, it was natural. Ppl go in over NK bod, but SW had the better build, with smooth feminine curves.
Onlookers wouldn’t have any idea of her catastrophic financial status and patterned issues.
Notice NK inquired re 401k awfully soon just within an apparent six week period. Who does that to someone they supposedly “wasn’t that interested in.” NK is full of it. She was after him tooth and nail and was longing for materialistic belongings and a husband, etc. She was just too selfish and greedy and wanted it all for herself with no pre made children and ex to take away from her. That sums it full stop.
ABSOLUTELY!
The only thing I can understand is if it was NK giving those mean faces that would mean that she would have to be on Shannon's Facebook friends list right? I mean that's how people see people's posts is they would have to be your friend unless Shannon made this a public post where anyone can watch it
I'm sure there were many who left mean faces, I would have
Yes for sure
Something that absolutely no one seems to realize/bring up when talking about these Google searches is that theyre just Google searches!! She couldve only googled shannan just those two times but that doesnt mean she wasn’t looking at her facebook page watching her every single day. Facebook stores your recently viewed searches in a dropdown menu, so you don’t even have to actually search the person after the first time, you can click right to their profile, which isnt the same as doing a search for a list of results. She was most likely watching the watts’ lives on the daily!!! Not just seeing her page around the times of those two google searches….
They dont bring up NK stalking SW is cos everyone got it just like u did that NK must've indeed started stalking SW after those first two searches.
In other words, they r not saying it cos they assume that everyone already knows it.
I think it was possible though we may not ever know. I just want to put out there, it blows my mind this guy took this beautiful lady and kids from this world.
I really doubt it was NK throwing up the mean faces . Wasn’t her phone searched they were able to find certain things but I never heard the FBI saying you were on her live . So yeah.
It didn't have to be on her phone.
@@teresasis6980The op means that cant the cops find out every little bit of a person's internet activity?
in the wisconsin interview the cleaned up version without the backing hum you can hear its cut to ribbons ,also the questions and answers dont match up at all .its been edited to give a narrative they want but not what was really said .its a cover up with anadarko for sure .chris was set up the story is much deeper than it seems
Sorry, but this is ludicrous. NK didn't seem like the type to do petty BS like go on SW's lame livestreams? NK had a life. She was interested who CW was married to and did an internet search for SW. That doesn't mean she was on her livestreams. Also, the "mean face" BS isn't absolute truth. Don't understand why everyone on here acts like that actually happened when it's mere speculation. This is just dopey content for simple minds.
Who is the lil girl with brown hair sitting on the couch with cc and bella and chris? looks like the same lil girl playing in the kids playroom the day they all went missing and the cops were searching the house
Any time Chris talks he never said he feels bad for killing Shanon no remorse nothing!
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I would like to point out that during his interrogation/lie detector/ imprisoned night,, I never heard him saying anything bad about Shannon. Even if you hate him,, there's still unknown facts we'll never know until he doesn't love NK and rolls over on her.
I see an awful lot of reaching with this case with trying to pin things on NK. Now maybe she did have something to do with it, I don't know but between AD and his latest videos with NK lately and now this with the mean face on Shananns Facebook live yeah, an awful lot of reaching going on. 🤔
Hey, I will be the first to say you have a decent point. I think of all the things that have been mentioned about NK, this is the biggest reach my arm. I agree with you.
What is far more important is the contact NK would have seen that I covered in the live stream from Sunday evening. This video is kind of a compliment to that live stream. Good point… keepin it real! 🙏🏼
So what? She needs to be looked at at all angles. So maybe there is not much reaching because she was right in front of our faces all along.
@@ND-or5so Shannan's family have even came out saying NK is innocent so why doesn't anyone take even their word for it? Is it any wonder she is pretty much hiding and changing her name. If anyone found her and doxxed her she would probably be attacked, death threats.
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I think NK was a bad influence and was involved in the murders. The Rzuceks are a rare breed. I would not take their word for anything on this case. They've shown some weird behaviors and beliefs. I bet Shannan was the only normal one in the family.
@@ND-or5so I do understand why some people think NK was involved but I don't think she was. I doubt we will ever truly find out either way. I have actually seen another content creator who has some simple, yet very logical counter arguments for the points that many believe implicate NK. Regardless of which side you're on with her involvement or lack thereof they were really thought provoking.
I agree 100% with you regarding the trustworthiness of the Rzuceks. My point on their support of NK's innocence was aimed towards their die-hard supporters. Those folk who believe they are paragons of virtue and truth, who believe everything that comes out of their mouths, yet still think NK was involved despite their insistence that she was not involved. But they say that only to release the video footage of her police interview which brings attention to her again igniting fresh waves of hatred and speculation.
If you don't mind me asking, do you think NK was fully complicit? The driving force? Do you think that she participated in all of the murders or carried out any of them alone? Do you think law enforcement knew and do you think part of Chris' plea deal was to take the fall for everything to absolve her of guilt fully? I'm not sure if it's allowed to let a killer go free if the other involved agrees to take the full blame.
I think it may have been her in-laws 🤔
Isn't it about time people stop blaming Nk for everything that happened.
There is a hell of alot of assumptions and guessing going on in this video.
Agreed. Of all of the videos that talk about anything having to do with NKI will give this to you, this is by far the most speculative. I agree with you on that. I think more important information is what she would’ve seen when she was doing the Google searches that appear in discovery, the material like covered on Sunday nights live stream. This video with more complement to that live stream. Good point
We can't hear anything she saying about the faces nothing there's no audio
The audio disappears for a few minutes in the video, but is there through out the rest of the time.
I think Shannon definitely had a feeling maybe something was going on and the only reason I'm saying this I was surprised you didn't mention it because you're so observant but it might not be a big deal but the song in the background solidified to me that she was having some feelings that maybe something wasn't right in the relationship whether it was cheating him not being interested who knows but I think she definitely had some feelings things weren't right in the relationship the song playing in the background is way too Good at goodbye it's a song about a person who gets cheated on in a relationship it's a really sad song but it's definitely about infidelity in a relationship or marriage one or the other but I think that's really weird the music she's listening to in the background and then the way she's carrying herself she seems kind of sad and down like a lots on her mind and then when she mentions the flowers I noticed she didn't seem very happy almost seem like they were definitely a present he got her out of guilt or to suck up to her or something because when my boyfriend brings me flowers I'm super happy the only time I'm not is if maybe it's a gift because we got into an argument or something I'm just saying I definitely think she had a spidey six sense that something was not right and I 100% believe cuz the song in the background she felt it could be over another woman
She really cares about what people think and Chris was the same way but for different reasons...I could tell those mean faces truly ruined her day .. so sad !! She seemed like she was always stressed and just couldn’t take in any happy moments..I’m her age now as she was then and the past couple years I really started to learn how important it was to take one day at a time and enjoy it , it takes years to do the inner work on yourself but I did think anyone told her what she needed to do to be happy... she was wrapped up in what Chris’s feeling were and he showed no emotion so that’s boring and no growth 😢
Kelly if 2 people commit a murder. And a investigation has already started and one person comes in and says I did it this is how and doesn’t budge at-all on accomplice takes a plea deal and goes to jail gets sentence . Does that mean they always stop investigating and even that evidence that was collected for dna or prints automatically stop??or just some cases. What I am asking is that the rule do you know? Curious
Sorry so long I just had to get it all out I get sick of poor watts dive deep before people ripp sw for her actions she always said I am not perfect but someone decided to just end it for her. Also poor Chris watts persuaded sw to go out with him she rejected him a few times he wasn’t scared or bullied ridiculous sorry not sorry imo
i will respond later/ good question!
I was wondering the same thing....
They mostly dont stop looking for other people but as u may have also heard, many people have accused the cops of covering up for nicole cos her father was a former cop.
It really doesn't matter any longer what we think bc the investigation was ended when CW confessed to the whole thing. Shanann didn't ask for ANY of this nor her three babies! I just hope & Pray that somehow Shanann has gotten some peace. Like her or not, she & her children had to pay for something they had NO control over! I hope & Pray Shanann's Family & Friends also have peace. I'm in my 60's & it slays me as to how humans can treat one another so horribly!
By “mean faces” explain what you mean. Emojis ? Or what ? I do recall seeing this video elsewhere but didn’t know what she was really seeing.
😠😡😠😡 Like that. Good point, I should’ve better explained
I see her looking at the screen like: who the fu- ???
I think the flowers were just for Thanksgiving.
That’s what I been thinking they probably didn’t know about this but it happened a lot cause the one video she’s on with Cassie she sounds scared she shuts down the live stream
I think those searches were absolutely cherry-picked as to not make NK seem at all to blame for any little variable that may have in some way affected Chris's decision-making in this tragedy
She threw a bit of shade at cindy by saying she’s trying to teach cw how to cook. I’d surmise the meanies are from that side of the family. I really don’t think it was nk, seriously she had a career , no time for trolling. IMO
Had time to be sneaking around with married men and visiting Shannan s home though ......
Rubbish no shade thrown an innocent remark
Oh but she had time to screw around with a married man 😏.
Everyone has time for trolling 🙄
@@gabrielacard7050Then again, the married man had time to screw around with her. What was a married man and father even doing looking at another woman? He had a wife and children at home.
Why no sound of her talking and where are the mean faces? This means nothing.
The audio disappeared for a few minutes, but its there for most of the video. The emojis were on Shannan's screen while she was live streaming and we can't see them.
Yes NK was watching sending mean faces
You & Neeks Peeks have opened up my eyes to MBP,, Those babies didn't have a fair shot at life💔
I can't hear her
Nk was watching them long before they met! She wanted her life! He'll yes the mean faces !! And I think Shannon new long time something wasn't right!
Yea but where there is live broadcasting and such online you are gonna eventually run into weird haters for no reason too. I used to be a beauty influencer and I could be doing the least offensive thing ever and still get hate and mean faces.
Yup! Those r jobless trolls looking for an argument!
I’ve read somewhere that N/K father was a police man. Maybe I’m wrong?
He was
I believe that Shanann had a worry that the mean faces had something to do with Chris.
So much about this case makes no sense. NK was treated differently things about her were hidden- your guess is as good as mine
This woman was herself mean & moody. It’s been 4 years since she died. Who cares anymore what she thought about anything. Geez, move on. Don’t you have other ideas to present on UA-cam? 🙄
Doubt it was Nicole she’s gonna get blamed just because of the affair I think she fot a raw deal too Chris lied tru his teeth to her she is also a victim in this I think people need to get over blaming and using her for any unexplained event Chris is the Quilty one he didn’t involve anyone else the law has covered this nd they knew she was genuinely a victim and when she looked up the names it was because of thrive she was told they sold it she was into your health PLEASE PEOPLE check
The facts 😳
Chris didnt know Nicole yet...he met her in June 2018. This was Thanksgiving 2017. Nicole didnt seem malicious. She was Chris's victim as well...
How was she a victim? She knew he was married, she knew he had children. She must have known that a third baby was on the way and yet she was whxxxng around with CW. That makes her a slxt and NOT a victim.
Chris told her he was separating from her and she didnt know Shannan was pregnant until she went missing
Yes that's what Nicole said but no one really knows if it's true.
@@marycianteo7966 as Kelley has pointed out before, she also says in her very first documented correspondence w CW, via email, that she is looking to 'build something similar to what you have done with your WIFE and those cute little girls'. Doesn't sound like she thought they were separating.
@@erinh87 Exactly, she knew he was married with children but still pursued an affair. In light of what happened it is obvious that she won't admit that she was in a relationship with CW.
NK definitely knew he was married. She checked out Chris and Shanann’s FB profiles.
She well knew. I don’t doubt she probably talked about family annihilators etc..
and somehow gave him the idea.
Think mean faces had to do with her saying she did not like cherry , apple or pumpkin pie . Just people liking pies .
I saw other videos of other mothers making fun of her or implying things. They seemed to poke at her and lack of cooking. The childrens hair her material focus etc
I don’t have FB, but wouldn’t she be able to find out who was posting the mean emojis? Wouldn’t it be tied to a certain account? Maybe it was Chris. I didn’t even realize NK knew Chris at this point until today, wow.