Gas Welding Magnesium, with Jerry (Weeks) Baker
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- Опубліковано 19 чер 2024
- Yes, magnesium can be gas welded! Watch metal master Jerry (Weeks) Baker show the intimate details of the process, plus some highlights of his amazing work.
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Would definitely love to see the radiators.
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I second that!
Me as well
I'm talking with Jerry now about the feasibility of making a radiator video.
I'm talking with Jerry now about the feasibility of making a radiator video.
Would love to see a video on the building of the radiators
Thats incredible! And you bet i would love to see how he makes radiators.
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Gas welding magnesium? Sounds super interesting I’ll be sure to tune in tomorrow!
I think it will be worth the wait!
Great demonstration. Always enjoy seeing brazing videos as it seems to be the forgotten form. I was also was glad to see Jerry keep the filler in the gas envelope as it is often pulled outside the envelope exposing it to oxygen and contamination. You guys are true craftsman and an inspiration to us all. Thanks for sharing!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow...that might be safe, but I would need to change my shorts after every bead. I only worked with magnesium once, and I was only cutting it. Was enough to terrify me. I had NO IDEA people were doing car bodies with it. That is VERY impressive.
Glad you liked it, and I hope no 'change' was needed from viewing this video.
only cutting? i would be much more worried about a pile of magnesium chips than a partially molten piece.
In the 70’s I went to apply for a job at a specialty metal fabrication shop. The foreman said just get in the shop and weld. He had a 2” magnesium pipe rolled in a 4 foot circle needing to be welded closed. He said “can you weld magnesium”? I said “of course”, never having welded it before. He handed me a stick welder, I started welding and did an excellent job. This was on the floor. When done I stood up quickly and knocked over the 2 guys watching over my shoulder! I was hired on the spot, and never worried about magnesium again. Thanks, and I’d love to see the radiator builds. You both are Excellent Craftsmen!
Hey, that's quite a story! I've never heard of stick welding magnesium.
@@RonCovell We were building alfalfa dehydrators. For some reason the burner ring was magnesium pipe. Once we rolled a 6” x 9” solid bar steel into an 18’ ring. It had to be within an 1/8”. We did it with 3 overhead cranes every guy in the shop doing something, and the owner standing off cursing at us the whole time. That shop had equipment no one for states around had. We did a lot of sub work. We made huge stainless steel “pressure cookers” for Georgia Pacific. 1” SS rolled into about 6’ round shape about 8’ high. Locking ring lid. We did some wild stuff. We rolled a lot of steel. My work buddy had his whole foot rolled 1/2” thick in a plate steel roller. They just rolled it back out! 6 months in the hospital. I think that type of work crippled me up. I’m disabled now, but then I old too. But still have my metal shop and wood shop I “play” in each day. Thanks.
When I was in training, one of our guys was sanding on an old magnesium panel and hit a steel rivet. His coveralls, the floor, and the pile of dust went up like an old-fashioned flash bar for early photography. Lost a lot of hair, but no burns.
Years ago I was removing some material from a magnesium part with my disc sander. No problem with the mag, but later I sanded some steel, and when the hot sparks hit the mag powder on the floor, it made quite a flash! Fortunately, no damage was done, but it could have been a lot worse. Working with magnesium certainly requires some knowledge and respect.
@@RonCovell I once failed to do a proper cleanup after machining a VW case and was MIG welding later, made for an interesting sparkler display on the floor. Fortunately no damage to property or moron!
Can't wait. Can we see gas welding aluminum please
You can see a little gas welding on aluminum here:
ua-cam.com/video/5nYZXBzVlEA/v-deo.html
I'd suggest watching Ron fabricate and then weld up an aluminium motorbike petrol tank, but if you're anything like me you'd be having nightmares for days because you SO want to make one of your own, but don't have the equipment, or anywhere to do it, or even a motorbike!
For what it's worth, I've met people who got started in metalworking by using scissors to cut up aluminum beverage cans, and molding the paper-thin metal by hand! Where there is a will, there is a way.
@@RonCovell thanks Ron
Ron, thanks for sharing. It’s great to see this specialized work, I’d love to see more!
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Very interesting! Thanks Jerry and Ron. I think your showing any work by Jerry would be great. What both of you do is excellent and unique.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Yes please more videos of Jerry!!! thanks Mr Covell
I'm still talking with Jerry about future videos!
Loved this demo Great that Jerry is shareing his knowledge.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Beautiful work, great video. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
I have welded a lot of aluminum with oxy acetylene. I liked using aluminum arc rod the best, because of the flux.The flame is ghastly orange so through experimentation, I settled on using purple lenses. Made a big difference! There is a certain feel to it that lets you know when it's time to haul ass and go, without falling through. Looks similar to welding magnesium.
When you say aluminum arc rod, do you mean stick welding rods? If so, when using those did you flux the metal as well?
Please. More Jerry Weeks. He is a Master!
I talked with Jerry yesterday, and we're working on some ideas for new videos.
I can't say I learn something new everyday, but today I did !
Thanks Ron !
Glad to hear it!
Great video, I have been Oxy/Hydrogen welding aluminum for awhile now and often thought about welding magnesium, but never had the flux. Thanks for the video. Bill
Now you know where to get the flux. Glad you liked the video!
Thank you guys! great video!!
Thanks for watching!
I’d like to see everything that Jerry makes, even his breakfast!
Scrambled eggs and sausage cooked over hydrogen are scrumptious!
I'd love to see more of Jerry's work.. he is obviously a very skilled craftsman...
Glad you liked it. I'll see what I can do.
Very interesting and amazing work on that car!!! Thx for vid!!!
Glad you liked it!
Would love more of that, please! I was aware that TiG was possible, but gas was better, but I wasn't quite sure why. The filings and dust explanation makes perfect sense.
Another great video. Amazing work. Yes I would like to see how he makes the radiator or any other work he does. Thank you for taking the time to share this with all of us. Dan
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Thanks Ron
Ron, great video. I would also like to see how Jerry builds radiators. He is an amazing craftsman. Thanks to both of you for sharing what can be done.
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I would love to see Jerry work with radiators. So nice to see a craftsman for sure. Class act for sure
Glad you liked the video! Jerry and I are talking about doing some more videos in the future. He's in Indiana, and I'm in California, so that complicates things a bit.
i would love if he made a series of videos with Jerry! i want to see jerry's shop and him using his tools
I have been talking with Jerry about more videos. We'd both like to do it, but It's complicated because we live 2000 miles apart.
Impressive! I would love to see more of Jerry's work.
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Thank you for sharing and yes I would be interested in the making of the radiators.
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Love this channel give it to us full throttle Ron great stuff man
Glad you enjoy it!
Great Ron and Jerry. Thank you for sharing. Craftsmanship is alive and well - you just have to know where to find it!
So true!
Very interesting and informative plus Jerry did an excellent job of narrating the project. From what people have said it's very difficult to do this kind of welding.
Jerry is a master, indeed!
Would love to see anything done by Jerry. Outstanding craftsman and helluva a racer in his day.
Yes, he's quite a guy, on many levels!
Thanks for the content
My pleasure!
Wow. Even for the expert that wasn't easy to weld. That's an amazing car too. Thanks for sharing!
You bet!
Great video, and would love to see him make the radiators. Also some more of his car. Thanks to both of your for sharing your hard earned knowledge.
Tnanks!
Very informative, thanks.
Thanks for watching!
Ron, very interesting. Yes, I’d love to see more of Jerry’s work on radiators. 👍😎👍
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Definitely would like to see more. What a beautiful car!
Great video Ron! 😎
Thanks so much! I'll be talking with Jerry soon, to see if it's feasible to do more videos. There certainly seems to be a lot of interest in his work, particularly with radiators.
As a welder, I can honestly say I've never thought of doing such a thing. Can't wait to try it and hopefully add another skill to my resume. Would love to see some of that beautiful radiator work in the future.
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Amazing work! First time i've heard and seen magnesium being welded! Thank you so much for sharing. The magnesium body on that Bugatti is just perfect. I like the color of the material without paint, very elegant.
I would like to see a video on building radiators.
Greetings from the Netherlands, Mark
Glad you liked it! I'm talking with Jerry now about a video on making radiators.
Yes would like to see more of the gas welding aluminum and definately the radiator work, also Jerry's tank building is amazing to watch.
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I am interested in the valve that shuts the gas off when he hangs his torch up! I’ve seen aluminum gas welding at Airventure at Oshkosh on year, but never magnesium welding. Thanks for the great fabrication videos!
The device that shuts off and re-starts the torch is called a gas saver:
www.tinmantech.com/products/welding/regulators-economizers.php#econ
same, that and the pilot flame that it has on it as well look like a really slick setup.
Yes please more videos about that guy!
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That was fascinating to see. Yes to the radiators too.
Request noted!
awesome as always :)
Thanks!
Wow! That was great... love it! 👏❤️👍
Thanks so much!
Sure, I'd be interested in seeing this master construct a radiator.
I have a friend who owns a radiator shop and recall his dad making obscure ones (mostly for *old* trucks, like Marmons) when we were kids.
Thank you for introducing us!
That Bugatti is amazing.
And to think they were able to do that almost a century ago is boggling.
Noted that you are on-board for a radiator video. Yes, there were some talented people around in the 1920's and 30's! I suppose there are talented people in every era, but those were some amazing years for car design and development!
@@RonCovell The deco look of these Bugatti's _is_ stunning!
And I can understand why he chose magnesium, being both lighter and stiffer than aluminum.
I didn't mean to discount modern craftsman. Only pointing what was accomplished with blowlamps and hide mallets back then
It is great that a few carry on the alchemy of gas welding magnesium.
Concrete was lost for a thousand years as a building material, after the fall of the Roman empire.
Heck, we can't even make the rocket motors that got us to the moon 50 years ago!
Of course we want to see Jerry build a radiator!
Thanks for the presentation gentlemen this was interesting. Years ago I gas welded aluminum just to see if I could. As far as working with magnesium, I have only tig welded magnesium in repair work. Never fabricated anything from scratch. And no I did not start anything on fire! I researched the properties, procedures and materials before I started.
Glad to hear you did your 'due diligence'. I have noted your interest in a video on making radiators.
He is not just a great metal worker but an artist as well.
Jerry certainly produces beautiful work!
Wow...what a craftsman. Would love to see more on how he shaped the parts.
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Yes I want to see more of Jerry
I'll see what I can do!
Yes, please make a video of the making of the spectacular radiators!
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I liked the gas valve + pilot flame, haven't seen it before + yes seeing the build of a radiator would be interesting
The device that shuts off and re-starts the torch is called a gas saver:
www.tinmantech.com/products/welding/regulators-economizers.php#econ
I'm taking a tally on the requests for a radiator-building video.
Your new content is going take you on a very wild ride and if your not buckled down and ready for the big numbers, subscriptions, sales, etc. you'll never get a full nights sleep again.
But I know you're on top of it, so keep it coming. Fantastic content. D
I love it when people respond well to new directions I explore!
Now I need some magnesium on my shopping list to try... .Thanks for introducing Jerry to us!!!
You bet!
Super cool Ron. I remember hearing that the Bugatti bodies that were done in magnesium had the distinctive ‘standing seam’ that was riveted because of the difficulty welding.
Hi Joe - thanks for chiming in! I believe there were some aluminum-bodied Bugattis that had the riveted standing seam, too. It is certainly a cool detail!
It appears to be like everything that on the surface seems impossible, there is a technique that must be followed. People seem to think that TIG is the answer to ever welding job, this was a remainder that it's not.
Thanks for coveting this tricky art.
I'm very glad you enjoyed this video!
Consider me educated! Never would have thought that was possible. Thanks for sharing!
You bet!
I worked is a Magnesium recycling foundry, at the time it was the only plant that could bring it back to 99% pure, and used for car parts.
Sounds like a very interesting job!
@@RonCovell It was a Great job, I worked half the day stacking freshly made ingots @ 700° then the second half worked up on the pot, Loading, Melting, and getting the alloy right b4 tranfering it to the second pot to pour. We ran 2 16 ton melting pots, that feed a pouring pot. Very interesting job. I got beefed up doing it...lol
Thanks for the reply, I have been learning from you for years now!
what types of substances get mixed with magnesium in the recycling stream that are harder to separate than the matter it first comes out of the ground mixed with?
I hope Myco Night responds - I'd be interested, too!
@@RonCovell we added Aluminium, Barilium, to get the Alloy right. The metal was tested to see what we needed to add We used a Lot of Flux to help clean the metal. They had a filter system that was claimed to be Way ahead of time, and had a patent on it. This was about 20 years ago, so it's a bit larger there now. We would load the pots up, and melt too 1200°, keep adding to fill the pot, throwing flux in it while melting. We had a huge arm on each pot to stir it up and mix the alloy, along with the flux. Once we had it ready, we transferred it to another pot to pour into ingots, those would solidify over about s 20' span, and drop out the bottom, then a guy would use a hammer to knock off any chunks from the pour, hit em with a wire wheel. Then be stacked up like a puzzle to get the stack straight. The better, and more consistent the person poured the ingots, the easier that job was. Then each stack was weighed and shipped after about 24 hours of cooling.
you teach me sum new all time thank you
Hey - that's what I like to hear. I'm uploading a new video this weekend that I think will be quite interesting, indeed!
Thanks Ron, Very interesting, I sure would like to see how Jerry makes his radiators or most anything else.
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Excellent video...and please show the radiator.
Just retired from welding after a 30 year career.
Graduated from Hobart School of welding and one of the first welding processes they taught was gas welding . Thanks for the video.
Wow - I don't know if they still teach 'gas' welding at Hobart. I think it may all be electric now. I'm tallying all the requests for a radiator video - might be a good one to do!
@@RonCovell I remember the instructor saying that you need to be able to learn to read the weld puddle. Which is applicable to all the welding processes. With gas welding it was a slow process...which gives you time to learn to read the puddle.
Hope the radiator video is posted. I have a Suzuki samurai radiator I would like to rebuild.
Thanks again for your videos
Masters of metallurgy!
I have the same Rotex Punch. Good information.
Great tool - wish I had one!
Jerry: I want to challenge myself and build a raw finish magnesium car.
Everyone else: I'll watch ya!
Hey, it's working for everyone!
Thanks a lot for the info! I have a magnesium oil pan(Toyota Supra turbo-a) and had to repair it. Magnesium really loves temperature a lot.
I'm guessing you TIG welded it? That's much more common than gas welding.
@@RonCovell Yes sir you are right.
I've played with strips of magnesium before and they can light right up with just a lighter. It never really occurred to me that it wouldn't happen so easily with more mass of material. Thinking about it some more though, it's just like the difference between lighting steel wool on fire vs. trying that with a bit of flat stock. Makes perfect sense really.
You have hit on a perfect analogy with the steel wool!
Love to see everything
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That was super cool. And that car, wow! And lastly, a video on those rads would be great.
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Great video Ron, Yes on his Radiators. Fred
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Very interesting. I'm one of those people that always thought magnesium is dangerous. I'm glad he addressed that.
Glad that this video clarified that point.
Ron, yes, please do show how Jerry builds his radiators!
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Of course I'd love to see Jerry build one of those radiators!
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That is a yes to seeing a radiator build
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There was huge fire not far from me that started when some 55 gallon drums filled with magnesium shaving ignited after the oil it was being stored in leaked out. It burned for over 8 hours and took three nearby houses with it. They had to call in units from the airport in to spread foam, because putting water on that fire just made it worse. I knew someone that machined magnesium castings and they were really careful about the shavings, but even they had a fire that caught in the chip pan of a lathe. It burned so hot it melted the bed of the lathe in half.
Yes, magnesium does burn very aggressively once it starts.
I learned something today.
Hello Ron, thanks for another great video! In the past you asked me what kind of content I would like to see, but then I had no specific interests against welding. Guess what, I do have now!:) To be specific, a coworker and me welded together a 12" vacuum tank(made of 304 stainless steel), then welded some 4" clamped flanges(also 304 steel) on it. Flanges have warped so much along the curvature of the cylindrical face that, the gasket between the blind cap and the clamp flange can't form the seal at all. If preventing warping during welding takes the skill of a proffesional like you, I would love to see a video about your opinions on warping in detail!(or in general, anything works!)
Thanks for a great suggestion! Stainless warps more than any other metal I've welded, and there are a few techniques and strategies that can help. I'll see if it might be possible to work that into my video schedule at some point.
Excellent! Thanks for posting this. Still trying to soak up all the quality gas welding videos I can find and this is right up there!
I'm curious to know the story of that framed glove in the background. Any ideas?
Glad you liked the video. I'll ask Jerry about the framed glove the next time we talk.
I would be thrilled to see him make the radiators!!!! :-)
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This is super cool, kinda knew it was a thing but not really if that makes any sense. Now I am more interested in this, super cool.
Great!
Tell me more about that oxy/acetylene holder/starter system. Looks handy!
I didn't know you could weld magnesium with a torch and I've never seen anyone use Oxy and Hydrogen combo. I learned something new. Car looks awesome!
Glad you liked it!
That is incredible!
Yes, many people would have thought this was impossible.
@@RonCovell I am either old enough to know of it, or more Likely knew of it simply because most of my best friends and mentors were Jerry's age or older. Sadly I have run into more than a few people that thought a gas rig was only for cutting.... The skills gap is getting wider every day, but fortunately there are a few people my kids age that have picked them up and are running with them!
Yeah, when I first learned welding in the 1960's gas welding was a commonly used process. These days, electric welding has largely replaced it - for better or worse.
I neglected somehow to mention what my initial thought on this was, It is great to have you and others passing on your knowledge so not only those young people can learn, but also us old dogs! Some how I had forgotten the string trick for drawing an ellipse you use in the F-bomb video. Thanks for the reminder! Now off to bing watch that and more!
Didn't know such a thing was even possible. Amazing how he made a car body out of this stuff considering how much warping the heat caused. And yes I would like to see him make a radiator.
Well, aluminum and steel are much more common metals to make car bodies from, and they warp a lot too. I'm tallying all the requests for a radiator video. Hope we can do one!
EXCELLENT work, 👍😎. In think Porsche used magnesium space frames on the 1970s 917s 👍
I know Porsche made aluminum frames for at least some of the 917's (and they reportedly had a pretty short lifespan) - but I've never heard about magnesium ones. Maybe someone who is knowledgeable can comment on this point?
@@RonCovell maybe l'm mistaken 🤯
Those radiators look great
Definitely do post videos about making those radiators.
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Hi Ron,
Great video. I certainly would like to see how Jerry builds radiators if you get the chance.
Thanks and regards,
R
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Wow, I just discovered this channel and I'm fascinated. Subbed. It warms the heart to know that some people will make us humans survive after the next big solar flare ;)
Welcome aboard!
Hi Ron great video. What were the over all lengths of seat and back on the steel bomber seat? Thanks for any help. Ben
Height is 19-inches, depth (from front edge to seat back) is 13-inches.
Radiator repair would be a great addition
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I am great fan of yours and I’m wondering which English wheel should I buy to start metal fabrication to be as good as you in the next 1000 years. Thanks for everything you made for metal fabrication world.
I'd suggest checking out the offerings of Trick Tools. They have a broad range of top-quality US made machines in many sizes and price ranges:
www.trick-tools.com/
@@RonCovell Thank you my Master
Absolutely would like to see a radiator build. Though you will need slightly better lighting than this one. Your shop has fantastic lighting. His, not so much for videos. Also a close up of the welds for about 5 to 10 seconds are nice.
I'll see what we can do with the radiator idea. It was challenging to shoot this video, and it was done sort of impromptu, using three cell phones for all the shooting. Two of them were older phones, and you can see they had problems getting a sharp focus on the welding.
I would love to see a radiator video and more about magnesium sheet shaping!
Great - I'll be talking with Jerry soon!
Definitely videos on the radiators, theyre amazing!! Also links to his social medial if he has it would be great
Noted on the radiator video. To my knowledge, Jerry does not use social media.
Hello does Jerry have a UA-cam channel? I am seeing that no links were available in the description of the video. Men such as you and Jerry have such a wealth of skill and knowledge its very impressive. I know you offer teaching available through your channel, but is any of Jerry's projects available to learn from as well?
To my knowledge, Jerry Weeks Baker is not active with any social media.
Yes please to offer of radiator build👍👍
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Good grief Ron, the skills (both Jerry's and yours) are astounding. Do you ever worry that they might die out?
Well, if you look at how many views videos like this get on UA-cam, I think you'll understand that a LOT of people are continuing the interest in these somewhat arcane fields!
Interesting video. I never thought about applying flux to the backside of a weld to protect it from oxidation. Would that technique be applicable to inert gas welding as well?
Yes, there is a product called 'Solar Flux' which can be used to protect the back side of a TIG weld on stainless, or some other alloys:
www.amazon.com/Harris-S0FB01Type-Solar-Welding-Flux/dp/B003TT0RJI/ref=asc_df_B003TT0RJI/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312039830589&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4411277471516942186&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032164&hvtargid=pla-569724401241&psc=1&tag=&ref=&adgrpid=63202739518&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvadid=312039830589&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4411277471516942186&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9032164&hvtargid=pla-569724401241