Adventures in TIG Brazing
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2018
- Never TIG brazed a day in my life; always wanted to try it. Join me as I probably do a ton of stuff wrong!
Music: "Danzon De Pasion" - Jimmy Fontanez/Media Right Productions - Наука та технологія
Awesome, The stepping up of the Amps from way too low and showing those results is so helpful to see - learning a ton from that!
excellent . . . now help This Old Tony with his sound effects.
you just have to try this on the mmx,, like having some of the welds that don´t obstruct anything brazed, brushed and left as they are just for the visual
Thanks Martin!
I love seeing you here! Starting to feel the collective community around wealding and as such
Love your video mate...did you try with shorter movements of the torch...I'm keen to see if it chances the stacked look. Cheers
A really good quality welding helmet helped my bad welding much more than using a really good quality welder did.
What helmet
A good helmet and the right lense make all the difference
@@stankhunter666 motorcycle helmet
Optrel 2.0 series is way to go!
It's all about comfort and control, if you don't feel comfortable and confident, it'll show in your welds
You are remarkable Tony. Very talented welder, excellent arc shots, cleaver amount of properly placed witt and great subject material. I cannot say enough how much I appreciate your videos.
I almost fell off the couch laughing at the “here’s a 3/32 filler rod” comparison🤣🤣🤣
I was laughing way too hard at that!
A while back I showed my wife the start of your video where you make a wooden sword for your son because I thought she'd like the humor. Now she has to watch every one of your videos with me on the day they come out. Not sure if its because she is enjoying the videos as much as I am, or if she's just concerned my sense of humor will be damaged if I'm not closely monitored. Either way, thanks for providing the catalyst for quality time with my beloved! :-)
Who knew TOT is the flux between the sexes.
all for a good time though
@@slovencleta AvE's good enough for the girls i go out with
OlTony is just that good. :-)
And his voice is very alluring. Bet she likes his voiceat least some. ;-)
Did he now... gotta find that one; the Chickadee episodes are adorable.
You seriously have a way of making everything entertaining. I have no intention of learning to machine metal or half the things you do, but I still watch. Although I do want to learn how to Tig weld. Also, I will probably stroke your ego more in the future.
Bobby Duke Arts yaaaaayyyyyyy!!
It's engineering porn with a twist - the straight stuff is good too ... but this adds a bit extra. Fascinating seeing just how you make a left hand thread take such a big right hand nut or how much you can get into such a small ..... but you wouldn't take one home to meet the wife (although I do respect their right to individual pronouns and accept that just because it looks like a nut - if it thinks its a bolt it a bolt - no point in splitting pins).
I could watch this stuff till the cows come home, then I reach for my soldering iron and meter and do something I pretend I do understand.
Saaaame
Thanks BDA!
If you weld both sides of the plates it would be strong in both directions.
By far the most entertaining educational show ever. I totally dig this channel. I recommend it to all of my mechanically inclined friends. Great job Tony keep 'em coming!
Tony, I finally did some silicon-bronze TIG "welding" of some 16 ga steel sheet metal, it is totally amazing, I was able to do functional, though not pretty, welds without practice, the current is low enough that you don't risk burning through the sheet metal. IMHO this is what people like me should practice before going on to true welding, which I'm still not good at and will continue to avoid where possible because I get too few opportunities to practice in my field of hobby machining. Another advantage for the newbie is that accidentally contaminating your tungsten with silicon-bronze doesn't affect the process and you can just keep going, unlike with aluminum welding where you have to stop and meticulously clean the tungsten and the parts and your progress is inches per hour rather than inches per minute(!). Again, a million thanks for letting us know about this amazing process.
Interesting stuff! Made it through all of your videos and catched up with this one today. Thanks for everything so far!
You both make great videos, keep up the good work :)
Another one of my youtube circles merge
Better than binge watching some TV show. After I found machining videos I binged mrpete222, doubleboost, TOT, ABOM79, RR in the shop. Now I can binge on yours.
I had to watch them all at least twice. I laugh too much to catch everything the first time.
@@MaturePatriot Clickspring next...trust me
Tony, I'm a welding instructor and boilermaker. I enjoy your videos. They're not only very funny, but perhaps some of the most insightful sources on joining metals. I'm glad you mentioned joint configuration design and how a brazed joint can be just as strong. What I like about bronze is that it allows you to temporarily join dissimilar metals. Afterwarda apply heat and voila take them part with minimal distortion and clean up. So when you're working a prototype, it's an excellent alternative to welding if you want to save material in that phase of a project.
Good tip MB, will have to try that out!
MB, I've always heard it was a good way to permanently join dissimilar metals. Is that true? I do metal artwork, and while most of my work has been in stainless, I've sometimes wanted to add something like copper or brass to it for visual effect, and TIG brazing seemed like it might be the answer. I even bought some rod, but I've never tried it.
@@TomHaroldArt bronze would set that stainless off well. Sure you can permanently join dissimilar metals if that's what you want. Do me a favor: Look up titanium bicycles. Many of which are brazed together. I love the contrast. One of the oxy fuel assignments I have my students do is make a cube from polished 1/4" carbon steel plate with brazed joints. Afterwards they polish any rough spots out with a tiger paw or flapper wheel. Lastly spray it with a clear rustoluem so it doesn't oxidize. I love what I do. I've started a non credit class once a semester where we make art out of silverware and hardware. For that I prefer stainless MIG or TIG. Good luck!
With flame braising, using flux coated filler, don't we strive for a more liquid flow of the SiB (lol) into the lap joint? The intent is increased bonded surface area. Legit question - I took a course, nothing more.
@@sp10sn yep. You want it to sweat in as much as possible. The tighter the joint, the stronger it is.
I have a PhD in “Oh shit, that didn’t work and now I’m on fire again”
Marines are like that, balls to the wall without thinking it through. Siempre Fi buddy
Oh,the cat is on fire.
I think that's called chemistry or electrical engineering but I'm not certain wich
All the kids these days are dabbing to the hot pulse.
Hl
DAB, DAB, DAB! Gotta get that DAB!
Nope I'm 16 and learning welding
This suggests a different and more intense background music, don't you think?
All that talk about joints was making me hungry.
Your channel is literally the only one I've sub'd to where 90% of the content doesn't apply to anything I do - and yet I love to watch the vids. You do a great job on both presentation and explanation.
I think we go to the same place to get our nails done
I always cringe when I see his nails. Reminds me of a kid I knew who chewed his away. COMPLETELY. No nails.
One of my daughters has stubby nails too. Every time I see them I think of ToT.
Mandy's on 5th?
Tony thx for sharing. Once upon a time I used to work in a sheet metal shop where I carbon arc brazed flanges onto sheet metal duct-work. I didn't use double carbon rods, like gougers use, I used a single carbon rod as the heat source. The flange was about 1/8" thick whilst the duct was 20Ga. If I recall correctly the current was around 45A. I did apply the bulk of the heat to the flange. The bronze rod was just about flat to the joint. The bad news was that the flange & duct were both galvanized. I'm just glad I worked under a giant hood. So the carbon rod brazing method seems to be relatively forgiving when it comes to surface prep. There wasn't any. This method was called Eberdu brazing. Most likely the name Eberdu was a product name most likely the silicon bronze rod.
The joint had a smoothness to it like soldering does. No puddling dimes effect. Just a smeared out bronze down the length of the joint.
Hope someone finds this interesting.
Your info, your comic commentary, and your video editing are all incredibly on point. Subscribed.
I need to visit those joints that ThisOldTony recommends. They must be brazen.
This is not getting anywhere near the love it deserves.
the only man to roll a joint with a welder
Ouch.
"Ugly bags of mostly copper". That Star trek reference :))
TNG FTW!
I hit “subscribe” the second I saw that.
Another winner in the books, Tony. I've been wanting to see a thorough video on TIG brazing for about eight years now! This is more info than I was able to dig up in an entire night of UA-cam searching several years ago. I've considered using it to join dissimilar metals for some of my artwork, but was never sure how to approach it. Many thanks for taking a detailed and measured approach that is so clear in all elements involved.
Loved the video, thanks! I find your humor great! I laughed quite a lot throughout, and look forward to watching some more from you. You have got yourself a subscriber!
Just as I turn the tv off and come to bed. This video drops.
His videos have a sedative effect on me idk why.
Who does watch TV anymore? With all this smartphone/computer technology!
Laugh 944 UA-cam streamed to the tv obviously.
Went to the LWS and asked for some 3/32 SIB and they said TOT rocks!! Walked out with a $50 bag of silicone bronze blocks so the joke was on me.
This is honestly THE hands down funniest welding and or instructional video I have ever watched... I am definitely watching more videos this is funny as hell...😭
First time watching any of your videos. Had anyone told you that you are the “Chef John” of welding. Thank you for the lessons and the humor.
I've only dabbled with SiB a few times but I do know you want a longer arc length, maybe double what you normally do while welding. The longer arc length will help spread all that heat out and make it wet in more smoothly. Using a gas lense on your torch and about 20-30cfh you'll get it to look really clean and pretty without having to brush the crap out of it.
Pay no attention to That Old Tony, We all came here for This Old Tony.
With pure argon and silicon bronze, I always find it wets GREAT! Aluminum bronze works great too. You can do cast iron, SS, copper, even brass with the stuff. It is awesome. Great video.
As a draftsperson at a metal fabrication shop, melty holes are a no-no.
When I was a pipe welder we just called them self draining welds.
Only if someone else notices them ;)
As a machinist, I hate you.
As a fabricator/welder, I can assure you everybody on the shop floor hates you. "But it works in CAD"
Daniel & Chance, be honest, deep down you both love having someone to blame though don't you ;)
Your welder has a subscribe button!!??
5:22 seems like you spotted the easter egg, (I missed it, so thanks for pointing it out.)
well spotted, I missed that too!
I saw that & chuckled. Then I shut up, because I'm not a welder, only braze with gas, and... wtf do I know?
I saw it first. The free T-shirt is mine. MINE i tells you...
11:38 it’s gone.
I used to use this technique occasionally on very unusual repairs, it melts so easily with little heat. Using silver soldier with a tig is also very useful sometimes when I needed to patch leaks in copper electrical equipment, when heat was a problem.
The little jokes are what makes the education so comprehendible....and entertaining...thanks
Honestly your hilarious and make listening and learning so much more enjoyable. Love what you do man keep it up
"if your cat catches on fire when it shouldnt be" lmfao
TIG brazing is a match made in heaven, I've gas grazed for 45years and when I was turned ontoTIG brazing I fell in love, way less heat and a good looking bead
Superb!! Not only the visual effect , but the verbal ingenuity also! Thanks!
The use case where I've seen this stuff really SHINE (heh) is putting together complex shapes made from stamped or cnc bent steel sheet that has dimensions susceptible to warping out of spec with too much heat. I found that clamping pieces together with a bit of a gap, resting the tungsten directly in the gap, pointed at the filler, and just letting er rip, running the torch down the line at full petal as fast as I could follow the bead seemed to be the best approach for minimizing heat affected zone while still making a solid braze. You have to get a feel for how the stuff feeds into the puddle but it's an absolute joy to work with! Great stuff Tony
Ok Tony, I admit I have welder envy. I need a tiny Tig like that to replace my boxcar size airco. Great video a always!
ATB, Robin
"...maybe you can see if your cat's on fire when it's not supposed to be." Now I have to clean bourbon and coke out of my keyboard.
I particularly wanted to watch silicon bronze welding. Never done it, all my tig work being ss, cromo and mild steel. I like your videos young Tony. A great balance of humour and the nuts and bolts. Most enjoyable, and I learned much....
Just enough funny remarks that it was 110% enjoyable to watch and more than I bargained for when clicking the video! Thx for the awesome trails, I was wondering how this would work!
good day Tony, unfortunately I do not understand a word of English but you are very nice and I see all your videos because I always learn new things.
Thanks Tony continues like this
Woah a new video? you're gonna make the price drop flooding the market like this!
I'm not complaining
ever heard of a poop and scoop? ;)
TOT you make learning fun. I get more from your videos from a technique standpoint than any of the commercial welding school stuff, and it's entertaining as well. Keep makin' vids and I'll keep watchin!
See this is quality content. I came into this with no knowledge of the principles at play here, and I left with a good deal of information and I even had more than a handful of genuine laughs. This guy really seems to know what he's talking about and enjoy what he's doing.
Great video! I would like to see you try the destructive test after leaving a little gap between the pieces for the silicon bronze to flow into. This is what they tell us to do in collision repair to make for a stronger joint.
With GD&T, giant melty holes are acceptable as long as the specs are met.
I wish more people understood this
The best thing is that with ASME Y 14.5M -1994 this is even easier as when the got rid of the (s) modifier in favor of implied RFS dimensioning they also made GMH (giant melty hole) allowance the default unless specifically disallowed .
I like your sense of humour. Makes learning a pleasure. Wish more of my teachers had this ability
Your videos are a joy to watch, your humor is an added bonus. All the best bud.
Believe me the side lens are a must when your in a fab shop! This way your can see people sneaking in your station to "borrow" your tools or to see the boss standing next to you waiting to talk when your weld is done
Thanks again Tony. Also thanks for getting me hooked on Abom79 lol.
James Brewer *sad Abom camio*
Thanks for sharing this knowledge, I am a retired, Coded TIG welder and I know how skilled you are. (VERY)
I never knew TIG could do this, I did try once with brazing rods and you know the result !
I still keep my eye in with a portable MMA and TIG welder DC only, to keep the cost down, it has got auto strike HF.
I welded Aluminum professionally, but not enough need at home to justify the cost of an AC / DC kit.
I will definitely get me some of those Silicone Bronze rods though, and have a play, on MS, S/S and Copper.
I found this video purely by chance, whilst researching World Bridges for my brother. I will look for more,Thank you.
Great video. I found silicon bronze very useful while building racing headers. I will always use it for a primary pipe attached to a cylinder head flange. You can keep the tubing light, thin wall, and reduce hardening the tubing and eventual cracking.
Those days when you're late to work because you need to re-watch a This Old Tony video a couple times because you haven't yet found the subliminal "Subscribe" message, and there's NO DAMNED WAY I'm putting down this ipad until I've finally found it.
(I did find it, eventually. But I *was* late for work.)
Just watch them AT work like I do!!!
Here comes uncle Tony with some quality content!
Excellent dissection of brazing technique. Thank you!
You could not of presented this demonstration any better, really impressed and very informative 👌
Cheers. Gary. UK. Manchester
Hmmm... My HTP Invertig 221 doesn't have the subscribe button. 5:25
Ah thanks for pointing it out. I'm a relatively new sub and I always forget to watch out for the hidden sub. 😕
You didn’t get the UA-cam Creator version then.
I spit out my coffee at 13:49 !
Lol
There ARE the vice grips to provide perspective if he did not provide any information about the material thicknesses.
I have never seen a video on UA-cam I can fully support on welding as a multi process welder with certs from d1.1 to d17.1. But you Sir I truly enjoyed watching and your thought process and explaining is dead on for the type of people born to tig, or any welding process in general. Being able to analyze a weld down to the core and paying attention to whats really going on while welding is a crucial. I'm sure we would shut down a bar just talking about welding and Fab.
More Tiggy Stuff Please TOT, brilliant & entertaining as always! Congrats on the 400K!
6:50 My first reaction as a totally armchair welder/brazer was "start with 60"... OMG, this UA-cam thing... IT'S WORKING...!!! ;)
Don't you just hate it when you set up your pulsar and some silly magnetar comes from nowhere screwing up your careful timings?
Great video. After watching I had a go at brazing some brass parts using silicon bronze filler and produced something resembling a tumour. The filler just balls up - when you did it it looked effortless and it just laid a bead down
Great video...great teacher... and just funny enough to keep us amused...
I’m on Garuda Indonesia on my way to Bali and the man in the seat next to me is pretending not to watch TOT over my shoulder. He groans slightly when I (deliberately) move the iPad so he can’t see. 😁
Been to Bali many times, have fun and get out of the Kuta. There are some really nice hidden gems!
Burton's Attic I’m in Seminyak. And that’s the plan! 🙏
Cool man! Enjoy!
Satu lagi Bir Bintang Besar, terimakasih!
Just coming for Extra History this is remarkably happenstance-like... ;)
I've done a little (very little) TIG brazing, and you are using quite a bit more amps than I've used. I think you're approaching the inches-of-weld-per-minute like steel filler welding. On thinner material (.063) I was using only 20 amps, but going much slower and watching for the material to heat up visibly. I also found that a gas lense was *very* helpful.
BTW, thanks a bunch, this video just makes me want even more to sell my trusty old Lincoln Square Wave 175 (the Model A of TIG welders) and get a new, fancy welder with pulse control. They'll only pay for plasma donations twice a month. /fast cut/
I was thinking the opposite and treating it like stainless. Crank the amps and move quickly
When you work in a production shop welding or machining you master the every detail when you are in a job shop it is a different world. Great video!
Hi Tony, I want to thank you for teaching us. Your videos are of great quality. Best regards.
I'd like to submit a formal request for a Little Tony collaboration with Chickadee Engineering as soon as humanly possible (human or whatever you are).
JunkAccount I 2nd this!!!
hahaha, just made the same suggestion on Chickadee's channel 👍
The 2 best hand models on youtube meet up in real life?! They should do it and put a bag over their heads for the video.
Hodgepodge Enginerd one bag or two?
Wear green gloves and she will think you're Kermit the frog.
Love the Star Trek reference, wonder how many caught that. Only found your channel a couple weeks ago and I'm hooked!
Top notch videos full of practical knowledge, skill, application without a raft of BS, and he even has a go at humour (only joking). Glad i found this channel. Nice vids TOT.
You Sir are an honest craftsman!! and a sense of humor and appear to have left your ego at the door!!
Yes, you did melt the base metal. That's ok. You ALWAYS will..... Well, sort of. Once the filler melts, and contacts the hot base metal, some of the base metal will dissolve into the filler. Ideally, you get a thin alloy layer at the interface, primarily due to diffusion into the base, and that is it. In practice, you get some base dissolving into the liquid filler. That's ok. It is fine. The bond from brazing is due to the intermetallic layer. Too much dilution, on the other hand, can lead to issues such as cracking. Perfectly executed TIG brazing still is never like a furnace braze, as it is really braze welding (putting in bulk filler, rather than filling a narrow gap).
This is where a short slope up on current is useful, so you can dab in before the parent metal actually melts. It's a timing thing you learn after many attempts. Once you get it you won't compromise the parent materials integrity :-) :-)
Thanks, this comment really cleared up what Tony was doing vs the torch brazing I'm familiar with.
I love your welding&co videos. As a welder you give me great giggles and remind me of the "good old times" when I was learning all this stuff :D
When it comes to TIG-Brazing you basically wanna flood everything with Argon. It's the only flux you have! As a rule of thumb: Biggest cup you have + 50% is just to small.
If you watch closely, you can see the hot end of the rod leaving the Argon a couple of times, witch causes the oxides on the braze.
In terms of aesthetics; try feeding the braze rod continuously instead of dipping to miming the look of a gas brazing...
The extra argon prevents oxidization, which is evident by the black patches and porosity. Also the unoxidizde bronze will flow and wet out better.
You're videos are always awesome and full of funny and knowledgeable info that you can take with ya. Thanks brother
🤣🤣 Just love the commentary. Always brings a smile to my face. AND, there is a thing or two to learn in the process! Makes me think of that Howard(?) guy that works with the wood....
Tell you hwat friend, if you try this again, try it on AC with the balance way up at 95-99% so it's almost purely EN. Works great for brazing, as it gives you a little wiggle room towards not melting the base material and adds a little bit of cleaning. current professional welder.
Interesting tip. thanks
Having done soldering, silver soldering, silver brazing, etc, etc, etc, I can totaly agree about the difference between gas brazing and TIG brazing. For those not in the know, a properly fit up joint that is well cleaned, fluxed, and heated with the filler applied in the correct way and amount with a gas torch will result in fillets on both the outside and inside of the joint as well as the interface. The result is a weld that far exceeds the strength of the base metals in most cases. Think CrMo motorcycle and bicycle frames as a prime example. Some aircraft frames use this method as well. I have used silver solder to join parts to make custom hydraulic fittings even that held
I've always used silver brazing for small parts that need to look good and be gas and oil tight. What I'm wondering is, there has to be a way to use a TIG welder to do silver brazing? You need about 1100F red hot metal, or somewhere thereabouts, to where the metal is glowing orange hot, to make the silver braze work. I wonder if there is a way, maybe with a blunt tungsten, or with really super low amps, where you can heat up the seam without directly ruining the base metals?
@@Ritalie Don't really know about that. The lack of flux may not allow the silver alloy to flow. If the parts are very clean and with the proper silver braze parts in vacuum furnaces. Fit up some parts and give it a go is what I say.
Great video and love the comedy bits. I randomly found your video and they were not only funny and entertaining but most importantly informative.
You take me back 30 years to my welding apprenticeship. Heat affected zones and all that. I specialised on oxyacetylene and only did six weeks of MMA Mig and Tig
Can you later disasemble parts by melting bronze?
'Coz, as i understand, usual whelding is permanent joint.
It's dangerous to drink liquids and watch TOT, as me and my keyboard just found out.
Good video, that machine HTP 221H cost over $2500.00, men when all is said and done you have over $20 000.00, in equipment, thanks god you made those video for us, so we can pipe dream, being able to do it , my wife never will be ok with these expenses, over a project of live. You are very lucky, to have that garage, thanks for all the effort to put these together for all of us.
Great fun watching your videos. I even learnt a thang or two. Great quality, top notch! Keep 'em comic'. Thanks
Just started watching, already laughing. Thanks Uncle Tony!
You mentioned that it is sometimes called SIB bronze. From my experience it is referred to as SIF bronze. Stands for Suffolk Iron Foundry who developed the rods that had a longer transition from stiff to flowing which is why you can build up fillets. Very commonly used in low volume motorcycle frames etc.
A friend of mine was going to repaint an old rusty bicycle, but once sandblasted he found all the brazed joints on the frame so beutiful,, he just clearcoated it as it was
Interesting, entertaining and massively amusing....great sense of humour ....well done....love it
As a total novice to TIG (been using MIG for years - HA - and lost my OXY skills as a result) - watching this video probably game me more clues than anything else I have watched re TIG welding - thanks. Have a nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
I'm calling it SIB from now on. Thank you ThisOlTony. :-)
Brazing is cool. When i realised i didnt need a tig to join aluminium (instead, just braze with hts2000 brazing rod and a propane torch) a new world opened to me...
I had a fellow employee call me Wrong Way Willie when he saw me brazing a pulley set back together for my John Deere mower, he's gone, the braze is still holding 18 yrs later
According to the AWS anything above 800 F to the melting point of the joint is defined as braising.
thanks for this video! very interesting, cant wait to try it with my machine! great alternative to using steel rod under the right circumstances!
Lots of good information! I'm really getting into TIG welding silicone bronze and liking it!
After seeing this for the first time awhile ago I make sure to call it SiB every time I use it I just to see the perplexed look on my coworkers faces determined to make it a thing😂
Someone I follow on Instagram calls it SIB 😆
I've brazed, and I've TIG welded. TIG brazing? TELL ME MORE.
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I love occasionally going back to watch some of these videos cause they're so funny and they're actually useful too
Honestly, I love your filming style, and the little bits of humor keep it interesting! Keep it up, I watch regularly!!
Waited for the soul-mating of the thick and thin for the entire video!
as a mechanical engineer from a metric country, wtf is a ksi. i can only assume its a kilosecond*sqrt(-1)?
No its an annoying UA-camr who had a boxing match with another annoying youtuber. So i guess 1 KSI = 1 Punch by him into somebodies face?
ksi is not metric /iso units. It stands for thousand pounds per square inch. ie 1 ksi = 1000 psi.
Because forces are so much higher, imperial units borrowed kilo from metric so we say KILOpounds, "kips" for short.
Jake Minogue Spot on. It is also equal to 3.87E-5 mHour Newton Ohms per farthing squared if that helps in any future calculations you may come up against.
Kilo-Pounds per square inch. It's a metric-imperial bastard child. 10^3 psi.
This is one of the best Tig videos I've watched
I dig your dry sense of humor and subtle jokes. Subscribed.