Walmart? Guys have you read or heard about Holmes before this ONE video?! The deal was with WALGREENS NOT WALMART. I mean they say multiple times even in this video! Her voice sounds weird regardless of how nervous she is because that’s NOT her real voice. Guys please tell me you’ve looked into this before this video…She started putting on this fake deep voice to mimic Steve Jobs. Psychopaths do NOT typically experience fear or any sort of anxiety based emotion and their lack of empathy means they also can’t relate/experience someone else’s fear. One of you just said they can’t feel most emotions but they can sense fear. That is TOTALLY wrong. Mark, the word you’re looking for in every video is “subconscious” not “unconscious.” No one is doing anything while they’re unconscious…It’s subconscious. All these points probably sound incredibly trivial but you guys are 4 incredibly smart guys with a massive list of credentials. You guys are way too smart to be saying complete garbage like this.
@@lukycharms9970 it's contradictory that you say "depending on how nervous she is" when talking about her voice, then state that psychopaths are incapable of feeling nervous/anxious/stressed and the like. They can certainly feel stress if the potential outcome could be bad for them. It is coming across pretty trivial in the way you're portraying what the panel are insinuating. After all, there were no good points in your comments regarding this (almost 2 hour long) video.
@Luckycharms, he misspoke on saying Wal-Mart instead of Walgreens. However, the Walden family who owns Wal-Mart, had invested in her company. It happens. It was an honest mistake. After discussing both companies, he confused them. It's really not that big a deal.
@@lukycharms9970 you should read the latest coming out of psychology...there are plenty of experts saying that psychopaths can indeed experience & sense emotions, including anxiety and fear. Plus, I think the guys were well aware that Holmes was altering her voice deliberately.
I had a 30 year career in hematology and immunology. I had to laugh when I first heard about her idea of performing 20 or 30 tests on such a very small sample of blood. I knew she consulted experts in the field who told her that it would not work but she went ahead and started finding investors anyway. Just her arrogance in going full speed ahead and thinking she could perform some kind of miracle to get this technology to work shows her pathology right off the bat. Also, I cannot believe that her investors did not consult hematology experts to find out if this idiotic idea would work. Her answers about the FDA in this interview are ridiculous. A company does not get to "decide to cooperate" with the FDA. You HAVE to get approval by the FDA for any medical device or procedure that will be used in clinical testing. They don't make surprise visits to "learn from" your company. They visit your company to make sure that you are in compliance with regulations and if you aren't you HAVE to make the changes in order to get approval. There are so many statements that are laughable to anyone with any regulatory or hematology background. I am surprised that it took as long as it did for her scam to be exposed.
I agree. I'm thinking it had nothing to do with whether it made sense or not. All she needed to do was find one gullible person of influence, mesmerise them with her psychopathic ability to charm and lie. Once she had someone on board like Kissinger, the rest jumped on board, no questions asked, thinking the first must have done their due diligence, and not wanting to miss out on the 'next big thing'.
@@chriper77 I bet the whole lot of them are incredibly embarrassed and humbled by this whole experience. Not that they can’t afford it, because it’d be like the average Joe investing a grand or so, but I’d have loved to have been a fly on the wall during some of those phone conversations or in person meetings when one screamed at the other if they even checked it out and the other one saying he thought the other guy did! It’s almost hilarious, if not that it had such serious consequences in putting patient health at risk. Lol 😆
Beautifully argued and written, obviously coming from a position of pure and authentic professional integrity and solid sense of what this means. However, you perhaps inadvertently put your finger on the legal wiggle room Ms. Holmes gave herself in the language she used, which amounts to sophistry without out-and-out lies, at least as to 2 big instances you mention. “Decided to” (comply) and “learn from” are super-misleading phrases that from a legal standpoint are (and certainly can be construed as) technically true, however misleading. Holmes can plausibly be said to have “decided to comply with and not violate compulsory policy” (which indeed is to “decide” something), and when regulatory authorities do some kind of audit to confirm or ascertain compliance, that is indeed an effort to “learn [something] from,” albeit that “something” being whether or not compliance occurred. So Holmes crafted some very cunning sophistries here that clearly mislead, but seem to keep her safely out of a legal definition of lying. I’m not sure of her legal duty not to mislead in such a situation/context, but it’s clear she studied, practiced, or was coached (probably all 3) in these distinctions to minimize her legal jeopardy. Your observations are just about 100% spot-on, Dr. Petzoldt, except Holmes is playing on the difference between entrepreneurial (some would say “huckster”) discourse and academic or medical scientific discourse. With her “entrepreneur” hat on, society and much of our legal doctrines give her much broader latitude to “puff the product” to the point of gross exaggeration and a certain amount of sophistry. The case really underscores the complexity and difficulties of contemporary blurring of the lines between science and commerce, an ongoing and escalating pattern, problem and challenge in our culture, with this case being an extreme illustration of the broader issue/s. I’m by no means defending Holmes. Quite the opposite: I believe she deserves to go to prison. But I’m also interested in exploring problems in our legal institutions and laws, and changing academic and scientific moral norms in this commercializing direction, entrepreneur-izing everything. In this sense one can see a clear thread connecting the opiate (OxyContin etc.) scandal (“turbocharging prescriptions”), the Boeing tragedies (profits first, safety last) and similar scandals, including the college admissions fraud and bribery cases. When everything is “business is business” we seem to get deeper into these sorts of difficulties.
She believed in what she was doing. She hasn't lied. She genuinely believed her company would deliver the goods one day. Make a business mistake in America and your life is over.
Thanks for not editing out the mute, frozen and dog barking episodes. It's the time we get to see you guys as regular people. You four are a great team. If you had a swear jar Scott could fund the channel 😂
Ok, starting at the 1:00:00 mark, Scott is UNBELIEVABLE! This is the most incredible thing I have seen in a long time, and I watch a lot of UA-cam. Just watch him for two minutes - well done Scott!
This was your best ever. I suggest everyone watch HBOs documentary The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley. I am going to re watch it after seeing your analysis. I worked in medical laboratories as a technologist in hematology and transfusion service and when I heard about her claims I just couldn’t buy it. She is clearly trying to buffalo the WSJ interviewer with all sorts or ridiculous jargon. Blood tests cannot be turned out on any new technology without comparison to known and validated ones. It amazes me how so many investors including Walgreens bought into this BS. The most tragic part of this whole thing to me is deceiving patients who did have blood tested, a lot of which turned out totally erroneous results causing them harm, this never should have happened.
"Her ego is writing checks that her body can't cash" - Chase "She's a confidence trickster" - Mark "She's using words like hopeful & believe. A real CEO uses words like know & understand" - Greg *paused and staring at the camera* - Scott 😂 My favorite episode so far! Keep it up
I think so as well. Along with the intentionally bad makeup that gives the impression she never learned to do it because she was so busy with brainy stuff.
I see it differently. It may be her ego wouldn’t allow another creative professional to do a better job with her makeup and hair than she can. Or… She may either be too pragmatic, or thinks she’s too pragmatic to let someone fuss over her as if she was a beauty queen, which she knows she is not.
What color is the sky? HOLMES - Well, we took the framework of the whole thing and managed to extract the particles we need that makes us stronger. Since they have taken the collective data and applied it to the narrowing commodity of of of colors, we have to step back, think deeply, allow others to chime in and take full advantage of the true project which we created. And that's a good thing.
Why does a chicken cross the road? Because of the FDA it needed to transition from one side of the road to the other side of the road but then there was a car-crash and that was the end of the chicken, as well as Theranos. Bonus question: What was first, egg or Theranos?
Please don’t get a big head over this but…. I tune in not as much for content, but to hang with you guys. Best personalities on UA-cam. Fun, intelligent, open minded, humble and good looking. But the secret sauce is how you all work as a cohesive team. This channel is on 🔥!
I absolutely lost it at Scott holding that face so long. The little movements back and forth were hilarious. I came to these videos for the insight and knowledge, but I fell in love with them because of the humor between all of you!
It's all a costume. A pretty wrapper/facade. Steve Jobs is who she is trying to mimic. The black turtleneck and pants. Zuckerberg does the same...wears the same outfit everyday because they have more important things to think about than their attire. Same w/her hair and her voice. A high percentage of CEOs are psychopaths. This young attractive woman conned a lot of major names (men of course) out of major cash & convinced most of them to be on her BoD. All w/zero proof her miracle product even worked. She also signed major contracts w/Walgreens & CVS. Then she found a rich fiance to support her thru to her trial. She's got some serious manipulation skills. Prison will not be fun for her.
@@emeraldblue5291 That, in itself, it scary. I knew ONE person like this (not as financially well set of course) but once you know one you know them all and I have never been 'sucked in' ever again. My entire body recoils when I come across anyone who exhibits these characteristics.
Yes, please!!! It would be so much easier to follow along with you guys if we can actually see the clips more than just once quickly before and again after. Showing the clips more often would help tremendously!!
Chase is spot on. Not only is Elizabeth emulating Steve Jobs’ look, she is emulating Obama’s verbal cadence. There is a very big gap between her authentic self and who she wants to be.
Apparently she's doing pretty good despite facing prison time. She married a Playboy hotel heir 8 years younger than herself and has a kid with him. She isn't at all hurting for money. A college dropout who has social savvy will go alot further in life than a Harvard grad with no people skills. He's better for her than that Balwani character.
She seems like an SNL character making fun of Silicon Valley. Dressed like a weird Steve Jobs Halloween costume and her voice is the voice women use when they make fun of how men talk.
The only thing that this channel could do to make it better, would be a split screen with the speaker and the video side by side. I'd love to be able to see exactly what your talking about. Or, say what to look for then roll the tape with pause and commentary. I love you guys and your all not too bad to look at but I don't need to look at all of you at the same time the majority. Just saying. Hugs all.
Cool, I didn’t know that. That fake deep voice is creepy, always has been. Her strange fascination with Steve Jobs is also odd. She was madly wealthy, she could have done so much good while still being a narcissistic psychopath.
I mentioned that a few times in the live chat but not sure anyone saw it. I think this is huge! Her father helped set up the board... who's lack of due diligence was because he vouched for her.
I think it’s so funny how she says “we are taking the hard road” referring to “working with” the FDA. Are you kidding me!!! Medical instrument and device companies have no choice. It’s regulated😂🤣🤣
Exactly it sounds like she doesn’t want her product to be checked and regulated. It’s the bare minimum requirement for any medical device! This lady is unbelievable.
@@looking4things669 It's disappointing, isn't it? I find him so likable onscreen, and I used to think he was IRL just kind of dumb and lonely, but the $cilo interview and the info we've discovered about him being gifted custom vehicles and having his personal hangar decorated with what is basically slave labor, that there is no way he can't be aware is slave labor...and even if he somehow isn't/wasn't aware, how can anyone be comfortable with parishioners from their church doing free custom work on their cars and decorating their hangar? How can anyone be comfortable with that kind of treatment from their church?? Martin Sheen goes to Mass at his local church every Sunday just like everybody else, and here's Tom Cruise having $cilons plant fields of flowers specifically for him to run through and thinking that's a totally fine and normal and reasonable thing, and claiming that if there's a car accident he is the only one who can truly help. That's just a level of arrogance that's beyond the pale.
@@dqverify6797I'm so disappointed in him. One birthday many years ago my friends pitched in for a signed pic of Tom Cruise. I once treasured it, now I have no idea where it is. Lol
Her eyes look like two hard boiled eggs. I think 🤔 the tip-off with con artists is that they seem odd or wierd, and then you tell yourself you shouldn't judge them for being odd or wierd.
A pretty big tip off is what she was doing. "Give me money and I'll make the world a better place. I'm *only* doing this to help people. Don't you want to help people? And get rich while doing it?". Yet somehow making the world better requires making her a billionaire. Same shtick as the the Ftx guy.
I was wondering if you gentlemen had ever considered going back to old newsreels or footage of famous "People" and analyzing their body language? Say, Richard Nixon or Bruno Richard Hauptmann? That would be so fascinating!!
@@janne639 I have a strong suspicion, based on his biography and all accounts I have read on the kidnapping, that Lindbergh himself was the culprit, however, I feel it was a prank gone wrong.
Yet, do wonder what he does while spending most of his time on Wall Street? Is he coaching criminal bankers on how to avoid law suits and jail time for their crimes?
@@geraldjensen9399 just watching Inside Job on Netflix. We all know they're crooks but the full extent of it is shocking. Also Dirty Money . There seems no end to the greed.
I’m impressed by this panel style. Usually someone is alone and expounding upon what they see and interpret. This is more easily followable. I rather like the idea that she robbed the rich but it’s important to remember that people were subjected to these tests and came away with bad results. The investors weren’t the only victims. In fact all they lost was money that they’ll have no trouble replacing. People were hurt.
We only hear about the big money investors but she fleeced any number of ordinary people too, including family friends. I know it's nothing compared to health but there were people who lost money they couldn't afford to.
Oooh, finally! But I thought you guys didn't want to cover her as a subject because you said it would be boring since she's sort of a one-trick, flat affect pony. Glad you changed your minds! She's a nice ripe lunatic.
Showing my age here: the original tv series "Hawaii 5-0" had a two part story about a lady doctor who developed a test using a single drop of blood to tell health conditions. In the court scene at the end Jack Lord gives her a supposed sample of his blood. After she comes up with results he reveals it's just a spot of tomato juice. Probably in the late '60's or 70's.
She must have caught an old rerun- that sounds like it was the inspiration for her "genius" invention. Well, after the diagnostic & cure patch idea got laughed out of dodge, that is.
Scott’s question as to how she got those first few influential investors, and all of your general shock at why these people invested is answered when you understand she wasn’t approaching these men as a CEO or even inventor or engineer; she approached these men - who were powerful but, critically, not VCs - as a favoured grand daughter. Watch her with Bill Clinton and you’ll see it loud and clear. This is a “one of us” operation - which she herself was probably genuine about at first, because outrageously privileged people like her (daughter of one of the Enron criminals, don’t forget) believe in their own genius, and even more in the genius of the fruit of their loins. They believe that coming from wealth is a proof of character, of intelligence, of competence, rather than simply of luck. Her older, friends-of-the-family investors like Schultz knew her to be “one of them” probably knew her growing up - they wouldn’t dream of questioning her as they would a stranger from a different socio-economic group.
You're awarded Best Comment so far! I agree 100%. To build on your thoughts though, I would add there is no shame in elder family and acquaintances supporting and encouraging younger members, especially grandfathers to granddaughters. This is a time honored practice. But this young woman used this granddaughter role to use these men to her advantage.
I believe she initially appealed to some people in the guise of seeking mentorship. I can't remember the details from the podcast I listened to some time back. It was when she was still an undergrad and before she deepened her voice. She likely inspired the male protective instinct and appealed by her general air of precociousness.
That's a great observation! I was wondering something similar, but couldn't put it into words. She seemed to me like a kid, such a young face, but it's not really about her age, you're exactly right, it's the "granddaughter vibe", TOTALLY.
She reminds me of Mark zuckerberg i think they share some behaviors and psychopathic elements especially the awkwardly long staring 😅 **would loooove a body language analysis for him !!!!!!!
What about her hair?! That pose of "I´m too smart to get my hair done and be sexy, I´m beyond that"... I watch you guys every week fron Argentina, I´m practising my english with you
I love watching you guys, especially when you’re talking about such an out and out liar! Please don’t delete the interactions between the 4 of you - those are always so enjoyable.
I am just starting to watch your videos but this person gives off such a crazy vibe to me. ( No offense intended) ..if I was to meet her in person I would not want to associate.. she causes my alarm bells to go off .her eyes.. that glare..her jaw is to tight..she just is very fake
I am a chemist and worked for a very large Pharmaceutical/medical equipment companies, I have been involved in FDA new releases as well as compliance with other aspects of already approved and ongoing drugs and machines. I am in total disbelief that this woman has gotten away with such a huge scam. She does NOT have technology to do what she claims to have. FDA compatibility is not a big mystery they just want to make sure your devices or drugs are made consistently, documented properly and perform consistently. FDA requires that your documentation is never destroyed or erased if a mistake is made you need to document the mistake and prove it was a mistake not an act of fraud. AND BTW EVERYONE who makes medical devices and medications HAS to work with the FDA. She keeps saying they are voluntarily working with the FDA , they have no choice . And Quality assurance includes not only the production of the machines but also the efficacy and reproducibility of what those machines do. They may be inspected by different teams within the FDA but her claiming this was a quality systems inspection does not exclude the efficacy of their product.
I don’t recall the details, but Elizabeth and Sonny apparently thought they could bypass the FDA by claiming they were tech/hardware not medicine, or something. It’s in Carryrou’s book, but it’s been a while since I read it. I can look it up for you?
@@dqverify6797 Well, I guess they didn't get away with that. I'm not sure what their reasoning would be because if you are diagnosing people that is certainly a medical procedure. I haven't really followed this because I found it rather distasteful that this young fraudster could manipulate so many people. Well, if I want to be honest it sounded like she was a good looking young woman who used that to finance her start up based on a technology we just don't have yet. I figured it would be exposed sooner or later and I really feel sorry for any patients that fell for this. I would not expect them to doubt the credibility of something that is installed in their local drugstore. Thank you for telling me what her reasoning was for feeling that she had an option.
People indeed trust women with deeper voices. It's probably because people have trusted men more than women for so long. Also, deeper voices tend to be soothing, esp. on the radio. Elizabeth probably knew that and thought she'd use an artificially deep voice to sound more authoritative, esp. since she was only 19 when she got the idea for this technology and could also be dismissed because of her age.@@angkeats7111
I hope the child did not suffer trauma. however chances are slim. I dont think the kidnapper did his crime without a motive. Poor child.The parents must go trough hell.
I think the majority of us thought she had been murdered, so this news is amazing, I'm sure a lot of people will raise a glass to toast the joy of this outcome.
Please do a critique on David Miscavige, that Scientology executive who’s always got a sneer on his face when he’s talking on stage . He’s a horrible man.
This would have been better if the speakers talked while showing the video, so we can see the body movements while they explained. If they want to be seen while they describe, then do a split screen.
I can't really explain it, but when she speaks....I often visualize Zuckerberg. Big eyes? Speech pattern? Lip movement? The need to smile while talking? The head bob though, drives me nuts when people do that. Can't stand to watch KH talk for that reason (and perhaps more). I will add that I previously worked in Medical Diagnostics and if she had told me her vision...I would have looked for a golden egg in her chair every time she stood up.
She started her company at the age of 19, after half a year of college...how much could she have known about the ultra-complex field of biochemistry? I'd like to understand why this didn't seem to matter to the investors and board of directors of Theranos.
@@judyfrancis4515 yeah that was my very first question. What does high school graduate know about biochemistry on that level. Huge scam. Now shes walking into court holding mommy’s hand like she doesn’t know what she did wrong. Total sociopath like Stephanie Lazarus, they could possibly be related even.
I don't understand. If she knew she was fraudulently promoting a technology that didn't exist, what did she think would happen? Did she think she'd never get caught? Did she think she could continue to stall investors for the rest of her life? Did she not have the foresight to see that doing that would turn out badly for her? Why announce a breakthrough technology before you even create it? I'm so confused as to why she did this.
As a teacher of teenagers for 20 years, her behavior is simply juvenile - a fast talking liar. I would say (after her answers), “So anyway, what is the answer to my simple question??” Ugh
Ahaha! This is so true. I'm a teacher too and I say the same to my students when they avoid the question. I'm too busy to try to figure out what you are trying to say. So answer the question I asked and don't make me stif through it. 😑
As an ordinary female of a certain age, the first thing I noticed that put me off and told me there was a problem with her, was her messy hair. Women can’t get away with that above a certain level, her hands reminded me of a (UK) sixth former giving a talk and sinking but trying to rescue herself. Her hands are small and looked sweaty, they flapped uselessly. It’s hard to believe these top companies thought she was the next big thing.
After your Bride of Chucky analysis (my eternal fav of your vids), this has to be my #2 of your work. This woman's arrogance and psycopathy is sooo annoying, and I must admit to being thrilled at her fall from grace. I'm with Scott in feeling so upset/annoyed with her callous lack of empathy for the sick people her company took advantage of with their fraudulent testing....just hope her planned pregnancy doesn't keep her from getting a long and well-deserved jail sentence, the sooner the better!
The minute I heard her, I could tell she was manipulating her voice. It was so strange-sounding and profoundly obvious! I can't believe other people didn't find it freakish and stopped everything right there.
Scott: “She’s getting on my last nerve”. Hilarious. Too bad her parents never told her that when she was growing up. I get the feeling that her parents treated her like a special little princess and never called her out on her lies & b.s.
If all of these high powered people are part of her board of directors, what the heck does a board of directors even do? They can’t ferret out a scammer with all of their “experience”. They sound incompetent!
when chase went in on his assessment while unknowingly on mute, you guys were brutal 😆 you guys are so fun! love the brotherly teasing amongst yourselves. so awesome
My mother and father were both diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I learned early on not to believe anything they said, because they would lie lie lie lie about anything and everything if it suited them. They'd present a wonderful appearance to those in the community, etc - but at home they were demons; pure evil. My mother died in 2008, and to this day one of her old friends is still, "your mother was a saint - one of the kindest and best people to ever walk this planet"! Um, no, she was absolutely terrible...
Hannah ... So sorry you had to deal with this kind of 'mind f---ing' as a child. Do you find, now, that you are particularly sensitive ... do you have good 'radar' ... for people like your parents and how do you deal with this?
Chase, thank you SO MUCH for pointing out that you think she is copying the behavioral and vocal patterns of Barack Obama!! Every single time I’ve watched her, she kept reminding me of someone and I couldn’t figure it out! You nailed it! Thanks to all of you for sharing your amazing talents with us ‘ordinary people!”
I've always felt that her posture, mostly when sitting, always had intentional 'masculine' undertones.. much like the voice, she is mirroring (of sorts) what a male would project and short of the big blues and colored blonde hair, she is almost devoid of female attributes. Her copying of Jobs etc is (to me) JUST COMICAL! I wouldn't have been able to not call her out on it!🤣
Most likely intentional, because male attributes get more respect/attention in fields of business and science. If I'm in a room of friends that are mostly male and everyone's talking over me because my voice is too high and gets ignored, I'll sometimes break out my "dude voice," and suddenly everyone shuts up and turns to see where the commanding voice is coming from. Then they all look horrified. But at least I made my point!
It is easy to laugh at her body language after she was busted, but could you have laughed before she was busted? So, you are interpreting any movement as an indication that she is lying, but that is after you knew that. Try to apply your knowledge to other CEOs and predict whether they are lying or not.
Of course, CEOs are lying about their products, performance, and ongoing expense, can you say APPLE merchandise. The purpose of advertising is to create a need where there is none. The consumer/audience's job is to question everything all the time, which most people don't do. Check your kitchen or workshop, how many things do you have purchased, or freebies that duplicate the same function. Got a butter knife?
These guys are great. But I would like to add something here, because they are all men and none have being raised to be women. Speaking of culture, it is part of the feminine culture to sit straight and with your legs together (for formal occasions like an interview.) That's why lots of women cross their legs while they are sitting. The fact that she seats slouching, with her legs open, one leg bent over the other knee, is aggressively masculine and fits in with the Steve Jobs outfit and the deep voice. She is seriously taking on a masculine presence to begin with, because she commands more influence and power that way, at least in her view.
i agree with you, I was wondering how they didn't mentioned it, but I guess maybe she acts this way because no one took her seriously or maybe someone harassed her so she's doing this as a way to protect herself, cause you know being evil doesn't protect you from other evil. and can you honestly blame her??! (acting in a very masculine way I mean not the other things) think about it when you wears and act in very feminine way what the first thing comes to a man mind?? thank god most of them get their s**t together and realize that we aren't chimpanzees anymore but there's those who don't. (I don't know maybe I have bad experiences but I think most of woman had those experiences)
After the guys said it, I can't stop seeing and hearing her as imitating Obama. Especially when she makes the speech about doing the right thing - I can even imagine his voice saying her words. Yikes!
I've just realized that she reminds me of Mark Zuckerberg in so many ways, not to mention the shape and size of her eyes, her blink rate, and her locked- on stare when speaking. I'd love an analytical comparison of the two of them.
I find her fascinating. Young woman, not even super smart, and yet she fooled so many people, and was self-made billionaire, such a huge success especially being a woman. And what she did was extremely bold, to the point of absurd (being able to sell such /allegedly/ highly advanced technology /which didn't even exist/, and which was so beyond her own expertise in biology or technology). Of course, it's all fraud and evil, but fascinating nevertheless. She's like completely from another planet than normal people, creating her own world, nevermind such a detail as the truth😉. It's hilarious.
All the rich folks who fell for the theranos stuff must have never been in a beer joint cause there is always that one chick in the beer joint with eyes like elizabeth Holmes and every once in a while some rube comes in and leaves without his keys and wallet cause he falls for her stuff.
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Walmart? Guys have you read or heard about Holmes before this ONE video?! The deal was with WALGREENS NOT WALMART. I mean they say multiple times even in this video!
Her voice sounds weird regardless of how nervous she is because that’s NOT her real voice. Guys please tell me you’ve looked into this before this video…She started putting on this fake deep voice to mimic Steve Jobs.
Psychopaths do NOT typically experience fear or any sort of anxiety based emotion and their lack of empathy means they also can’t relate/experience someone else’s fear. One of you just said they can’t feel most emotions but they can sense fear. That is TOTALLY wrong.
Mark, the word you’re looking for in every video is “subconscious” not “unconscious.” No one is doing anything while they’re unconscious…It’s subconscious.
All these points probably sound incredibly trivial but you guys are 4 incredibly smart guys with a massive list of credentials. You guys are way too smart to be saying complete garbage like this.
@@lukycharms9970 it's contradictory that you say "depending on how nervous she is" when talking about her voice, then state that psychopaths are incapable of feeling nervous/anxious/stressed and the like. They can certainly feel stress if the potential outcome could be bad for them. It is coming across pretty trivial in the way you're portraying what the panel are insinuating. After all, there were no good points in your comments regarding this (almost 2 hour long) video.
@Luckycharms, he misspoke on saying Wal-Mart instead of Walgreens. However, the Walden family who owns Wal-Mart, had invested in her company. It happens. It was an honest mistake. After discussing both companies, he confused them. It's really not that big a deal.
Why yall say yall boring. Yall dont bore me at all
@@lukycharms9970 you should read the latest coming out of psychology...there are plenty of experts saying that psychopaths can indeed experience & sense emotions, including anxiety and fear. Plus, I think the guys were well aware that Holmes was altering her voice deliberately.
I had a 30 year career in hematology and immunology. I had to laugh when I first heard about her idea of performing 20 or 30 tests on such a very small sample of blood. I knew she consulted experts in the field who told her that it would not work but she went ahead and started finding investors anyway. Just her arrogance in going full speed ahead and thinking she could perform some kind of miracle to get this technology to work shows her pathology right off the bat. Also, I cannot believe that her investors did not consult hematology experts to find out if this idiotic idea would work. Her answers about the FDA in this interview are ridiculous. A company does not get to "decide to cooperate" with the FDA. You HAVE to get approval by the FDA for any medical device or procedure that will be used in clinical testing. They don't make surprise visits to "learn from" your company. They visit your company to make sure that you are in compliance with regulations and if you aren't you HAVE to make the changes in order to get approval. There are so many statements that are laughable to anyone with any regulatory or hematology background. I am surprised that it took as long as it did for her scam to be exposed.
I agree. I'm thinking it had nothing to do with whether it made sense or not. All she needed to do was find one gullible person of influence, mesmerise them with her psychopathic ability to charm and lie. Once she had someone on board like Kissinger, the rest jumped on board, no questions asked, thinking the first must have done their due diligence, and not wanting to miss out on the 'next big thing'.
And to top that, she claimed her proprietary equipment could perform 200 tests from a single drop of blood.
@@chriper77 I bet the whole lot of them are incredibly embarrassed and humbled by this whole experience. Not that they can’t afford it, because it’d be like the average Joe investing a grand or so, but I’d have loved to have been a fly on the wall during some of those phone conversations or in person meetings when one screamed at the other if they even checked it out and the other one saying he thought the other guy did! It’s almost hilarious, if not that it had such serious consequences in putting patient health at risk. Lol 😆
Beautifully argued and written, obviously coming from a position of pure and authentic professional integrity and solid sense of what this means. However, you perhaps inadvertently put your finger on the legal wiggle room Ms. Holmes gave herself in the language she used, which amounts to sophistry without out-and-out lies, at least as to 2 big instances you mention. “Decided to” (comply) and “learn from” are super-misleading phrases that from a legal standpoint are (and certainly can be construed as) technically true, however misleading. Holmes can plausibly be said to have “decided to comply with and not violate compulsory policy” (which indeed is to “decide” something), and when regulatory authorities do some kind of audit to confirm or ascertain compliance, that is indeed an effort to “learn [something] from,” albeit that “something” being whether or not compliance occurred. So Holmes crafted some very cunning sophistries here that clearly mislead, but seem to keep her safely out of a legal definition of lying. I’m not sure of her legal duty not to mislead in such a situation/context, but it’s clear she studied, practiced, or was coached (probably all 3) in these distinctions to minimize her legal jeopardy. Your observations are just about 100% spot-on, Dr. Petzoldt, except Holmes is playing on the difference between entrepreneurial (some would say “huckster”) discourse and academic or medical scientific discourse. With her “entrepreneur” hat on, society and much of our legal doctrines give her much broader latitude to “puff the product” to the point of gross exaggeration and a certain amount of sophistry. The case really underscores the complexity and difficulties of contemporary blurring of the lines between science and commerce, an ongoing and escalating pattern, problem and challenge in our culture, with this case being an extreme illustration of the broader issue/s.
I’m by no means defending Holmes. Quite the opposite: I believe she deserves to go to prison. But I’m also interested in exploring problems in our legal institutions and laws, and changing academic and scientific moral norms in this commercializing direction, entrepreneur-izing everything. In this sense one can see a clear thread connecting the opiate (OxyContin etc.) scandal (“turbocharging prescriptions”), the Boeing tragedies (profits first, safety last) and similar scandals, including the college admissions fraud and bribery cases. When everything is “business is business” we seem to get deeper into these sorts of difficulties.
She believed in what she was doing. She hasn't lied. She genuinely believed her company would deliver the goods one day.
Make a business mistake in America and your life is over.
Thanks for not editing out the mute, frozen and dog barking episodes. It's the time we get to see you guys as regular people. You four are a great team. If you had a swear jar Scott could fund the channel 😂
Ok, starting at the 1:00:00 mark, Scott is UNBELIEVABLE! This is the most incredible thing I have seen in a long time, and I watch a lot of UA-cam. Just watch him for two minutes - well done Scott!
This was your best ever. I suggest everyone watch HBOs documentary The Inventor: Out for Blood in Silicon Valley. I am going to re watch it after seeing your analysis. I worked in medical laboratories as a technologist in hematology and transfusion service and when I heard about her claims I just couldn’t buy it. She is clearly trying to buffalo the WSJ interviewer with all sorts or ridiculous jargon. Blood tests cannot be turned out on any new technology without comparison to known and validated ones. It amazes me how so many investors including Walgreens bought into this BS. The most tragic part of this whole thing to me is deceiving patients who did have blood tested, a lot of which turned out totally erroneous results causing them harm, this never should have happened.
I agree. I'm a lab tech also. All that bull just makes me want to cross my eyes.
@@ferociousgumby thanks so much! I will look into it. I am always looking for a new interesting book.
@@irenethomas6762 I still can’t believe so many “intelligent” people bought into this. Thanks for your reply!
I am so thoroughly enjoying this discussion, this deep analysis because I always thought this woman was so full of it!! Thanks guys.
E. Holmes needs to rot in prison for playing with patients lives.
She strategically allowed herself to fall pregnant to minimise the risk of that. 🤮
I love your interactions together like really cool friends ❤️ 💕 💖
"Her ego is writing checks that her body can't cash" - Chase
"She's a confidence trickster" - Mark
"She's using words like hopeful & believe. A real CEO uses words like know & understand" - Greg
*paused and staring at the camera* - Scott 😂
My favorite episode so far! Keep it up
Top Gun quotes live on!
Love that
Hahaa funny
Chase is amazing 🤩
@@lisa-annen.7867 isn’t He though? (He’s married, huh? Dang!)
Hello Panelists (Greg Here) we will have a slight delay this week and the video will be out later than usual. We are recording this afternoon.
Thanks Greg! 🤗
I just came to say I hope you and yours are all alright. Glad everyone's ok. Looking forward to the new vid! 🤗
Please let the video be Kyle Rittenhouse's testimony!
Thanks for letting us know, Greg. Was worried I'd missed it. Looking forward to watch it tomorrow now as it's bedtime here in the UK 🇬🇧
I have checked several times today and finally checked here. Glad to hear everything is ok. I really enjoy every week and look forward to Thursdays.
Just the fact that she cannot pull her hair out of a turtleneck makes her certifiable
Yes the messy hair seemed contrived. Like the eccentric genious look. That and the nodding are annoying.
Unable to use hair conditioner
I also think her ‘undone’ hair is in fact carefully done to reflect that ‘nerdy scientist guru’ style that she’s going for 🥸
Right, Steve Jobs mixed with Rick Rubin
Well spotted
I think so as well. Along with the intentionally bad makeup that gives the impression she never learned to do it because she was so busy with brainy stuff.
I see it differently.
It may be her ego wouldn’t allow another creative professional to do a better job with her makeup and hair than she can.
Or…
She may either be too pragmatic, or thinks she’s too pragmatic to let someone fuss over her as if she was a beauty queen, which she knows she is not.
What color is the sky?
HOLMES - Well, we took the framework of the whole thing and managed to extract the particles we need that makes us stronger. Since they have taken the collective data and applied it to the narrowing commodity of of of colors, we have to step back, think deeply, allow others to chime in and take full advantage of the true project which we created. And that's a good thing.
Haha. That is a great comment. That sounds like something she would say.
😂😂😂😂 all that data....
Lol. Brilliantly hilarious!!
Why does a chicken cross the road? Because of the FDA it needed to transition from one side of the road to the other side of the road but then there was a car-crash and that was the end of the chicken, as well as Theranos. Bonus question: What was first, egg or Theranos?
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Please don’t get a big head over this but…. I tune in not as much for content, but to hang with you guys. Best personalities on UA-cam. Fun, intelligent, open minded, humble and good looking. But the secret sauce is how you all work as a cohesive team. This channel is on 🔥!
Agreed. I’m here to see what new intro Chase is gonna use. 😀
I agree completely with this commentor's description of you guys...however, I also love the content.
they have fans like an awesome rock band. Each is gifted and works well together.
I absolutely lost it at Scott holding that face so long. The little movements back and forth were hilarious. I came to these videos for the insight and knowledge, but I fell in love with them because of the humor between all of you!
I think her messy hair is also intentional ... "See, I care more about these serious issues and my company than my hair"
🤣🤣🤣🤣 a thousand times, yes!
The Bohemian lifestyle look
That whole facade is pretty messy on Liz.
It's all a costume. A pretty wrapper/facade. Steve Jobs is who she is trying to mimic. The black turtleneck and pants. Zuckerberg does the same...wears the same outfit everyday because they have more important things to think about than their attire. Same w/her hair and her voice. A high percentage of CEOs are psychopaths. This young attractive woman conned a lot of major names (men of course) out of major cash & convinced most of them to be on her BoD. All w/zero proof her miracle product even worked. She also signed major contracts w/Walgreens & CVS. Then she found a rich fiance to support her thru to her trial. She's got some serious manipulation skills. Prison will not be fun for her.
@@emeraldblue5291 That, in itself, it scary. I knew ONE person like this (not as financially well set of course) but once you know one you know them all and I have never been 'sucked in' ever again. My entire body recoils when I come across anyone who exhibits these characteristics.
I'd love to see a video box in the bottom corner when you guys are talking about a clip. I'd like to follow along with your cues.
Brilliant idea.
Yes I always think the same
Yes, please!!! It would be so much easier to follow along with you guys if we can actually see the clips more than just once quickly before and again after. Showing the clips more often would help tremendously!!
Where in the world would they put it though?
Or in the center? That way you can still see all 4 😃
Chase is spot on. Not only is Elizabeth emulating Steve Jobs’ look, she is emulating Obama’s verbal cadence. There is a very big gap between her authentic self and who she wants to be.
Bingo. Obama’s coach has been busy He also coaches Biden. It’s easy to see it once you identify it (Cannot unsee it now )
Chase you’re a genius! We see the similarity of Obama and Elizabeth. Both cons, both big dreamers, and real Narcissists! Here’s to them! 🤮
Apparently she's doing pretty good despite facing prison time. She married a Playboy hotel heir 8 years younger than herself and has a kid with him. She isn't at all hurting for money. A college dropout who has social savvy will go alot further in life than a Harvard grad with no people skills. He's better for her than that Balwani character.
She seems like an SNL character making fun of Silicon Valley. Dressed like a weird Steve Jobs Halloween costume and her voice is the voice women use when they make fun of how men talk.
Lmao 😂😂😂😂😂
Yup😂
The only thing that this channel could do to make it better, would be a split screen with the speaker and the video side by side. I'd love to be able to see exactly what your talking about. Or, say what to look for then roll the tape with pause and commentary. I love you guys and your all not too bad to look at but I don't need to look at all of you at the same time the majority. Just saying. Hugs all.
This is the way newer Panel videos have been done, for a few months now.
I like looking at you guys. I feel like I’m in a room with smart people (I am)
@@oneneverlaughsenough I was going to make this reply 🙂 I really like the way they changed it to show the isolated behavior.
Agree!!!
Yes I wish they would do this too. Sometimes I want to see what they’re talking about in real time
Her dad was an executive at Enron!!!!!! He taught her everything she knows 😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄😄
Great point!
Fun fact, her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes IV, was a vice president at Enron.
Wow. Lol. So, b.s. is in her DNA, apparently. 😂😂😂
Cool, I didn’t know that. That fake deep voice is creepy, always has been. Her strange fascination with Steve Jobs is also odd. She was madly wealthy, she could have done so much good while still being a narcissistic psychopath.
That tells me all I need to know about what was going on here!
I mentioned that a few times in the live chat but not sure anyone saw it. I think this is huge! Her father helped set up the board... who's lack of due diligence was because he vouched for her.
Crazy!
The voice is the strangest I've ever heard along with some serious bed head.
She's just plain frowsy! Whatever look she was going for didn't work.
I think it’s so funny how she says “we are taking the hard road” referring to “working with” the FDA. Are you kidding me!!! Medical instrument and device companies have no choice. It’s regulated😂🤣🤣
Cooperating with a regulatory agency, how innovative!
Exactly it sounds like she doesn’t want her product to be checked and regulated. It’s the bare minimum requirement for any medical device! This lady is unbelievable.
Once Chase said he thought she was imitating Obama's speech cadence, I couldn't unhear it! Thanks for another excellent analysis, guys!
I completely agree! I thought it was a great insight.
Wait how I’m trying to find it
I can’t believe she duped people for so long. And that people thought she was charismatic. She is creepy and odd to me
with those blink-proof eyes. Could you imagine how much effort that takes? Maybe not much when you are a psychopath.
Absolutely 🤣
I know right? She is attractive but those large creepy eyes and voice can’t be ignored 😂
@@donkeydan5996
She’s not attractive 🫣
She looks weird and she’s creepy 🧙🏻
She answers questions as good as Kamala Harris & Amber Heard
🤣🤣
I'm certainly no expert on body language, but I know the crazy eyes when I sees em.
I know...that's a great poster for the video!
Hahahahaha.... That was funny :D
I had to double check my calendar to make sure Christmas hadn’t come early bc 2 VIDEOS IN 1 DAY feels like an absolute gift 🎁 Thank you!!!
Great isn't it Indy 🤗🇺🇸👀🙏😎
They spoiled us 🥰
And, that doll face got a lot of attention all of her life
And, those shoes, heels
🥰🎁🥳
I want you guys to do Tom Cruise.
Ooooh, that would be good!
God, I used to be his biggest fan until he started fighting with everyone who wasn't a Scientologist.
@@looking4things669 It's disappointing, isn't it? I find him so likable onscreen, and I used to think he was IRL just kind of dumb and lonely, but the $cilo interview and the info we've discovered about him being gifted custom vehicles and having his personal hangar decorated with what is basically slave labor, that there is no way he can't be aware is slave labor...and even if he somehow isn't/wasn't aware, how can anyone be comfortable with parishioners from their church doing free custom work on their cars and decorating their hangar? How can anyone be comfortable with that kind of treatment from their church?? Martin Sheen goes to Mass at his local church every Sunday just like everybody else, and here's Tom Cruise having $cilons plant fields of flowers specifically for him to run through and thinking that's a totally fine and normal and reasonable thing, and claiming that if there's a car accident he is the only one who can truly help. That's just a level of arrogance that's beyond the pale.
@@dqverify6797I'm so disappointed in him. One birthday many years ago my friends pitched in for a signed pic of Tom Cruise. I once treasured it, now I have no idea where it is. Lol
@@JetPackDino Literally lol
Her eyes look like two hard boiled eggs. I think 🤔 the tip-off with con artists is that they seem odd or wierd, and then you tell yourself you shouldn't judge them for being odd or wierd.
A pretty big tip off is what she was doing. "Give me money and I'll make the world a better place. I'm *only* doing this to help people. Don't you want to help people? And get rich while doing it?". Yet somehow making the world better requires making her a billionaire. Same shtick as the the Ftx guy.
mark bowden @ 14:20 you just won my trust stood out and gained credibility. 😍
I was wondering if you gentlemen had ever considered going back to old newsreels or footage of famous "People" and analyzing their body language? Say, Richard Nixon or Bruno Richard Hauptmann? That would be so fascinating!!
I agree
Yeah, do Mark Rutte, prime minister from Holland!! 😅😂
Great suggestion Linda! Speaking of Bruno Hauptmann, I’d be interested to hear an analysis of Charles Lindbergh.
@@janne639 I have a strong suspicion, based on his biography and all accounts I have read on the kidnapping, that Lindbergh himself was the culprit, however, I feel it was a prank gone wrong.
Didn't they do one on oswald?
Would love the panel to analyse British Mick Philpott & his wifes TV plea , both convicted of setting fire to own house with their 6 kids in .
I love Scott's rants, he is quite right to be furious with this morally defunct woman.
First hearing that fake deep voice combined with her eyes she's creeping me out! Is she creeping anyone else out? Like something's way off with her!
The eyes are copying Zuckerberg I think. That guy stares weirdly in all his pics. She's combining Jobs and him..
Greg Hartley is GANGSTA!! the world would be a better place with more men like him
I think they're all great me, we need More like them.
Agree!
Yet, do wonder what he does while spending most of his time on Wall Street? Is he coaching criminal bankers on how to avoid law suits and jail time for their crimes?
Ultimate alpha
@@geraldjensen9399 just watching Inside Job on Netflix. We all know they're crooks but the full extent of it is shocking. Also Dirty Money . There seems no end to the greed.
I would love to sit and listen to a full-blown Scott Rouse rant about something that really vexes him :)
Un-self-censored full blown..hehehe
To make a long story short, Holmes' was just bullshitting all this time.
I’m impressed by this panel style. Usually someone is alone and expounding upon what they see and interpret. This is more easily followable. I rather like the idea that she robbed the rich but it’s important to remember that people were subjected to these tests and came away with bad results. The investors weren’t the only victims. In fact all they lost was money that they’ll have no trouble replacing. People were hurt.
We only hear about the big money investors but she fleeced any number of ordinary people too, including family friends. I know it's nothing compared to health but there were people who lost money they couldn't afford to.
@@randomhumanoidblob4506 That is true. She was an equal opportunity con woman
Oooh, finally! But I thought you guys didn't want to cover her as a subject because you said it would be boring since she's sort of a one-trick, flat affect pony. Glad you changed your minds! She's a nice ripe lunatic.
‘Ripe lunatic’ 😂 x
@@loisdiamond5674 for sure!
Ripe LUNATIC?!!! I absolutely agree!!! 😆🤣😂
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I think they wanted to wait until she was a proven liar.
Showing my age here: the original tv series "Hawaii 5-0" had a two part story about a lady doctor who developed a test using a single drop of blood to tell health conditions. In the court scene at the end Jack Lord gives her a supposed sample of his blood. After she comes up with results he reveals it's just a spot of tomato juice. Probably in the late '60's or 70's.
How wonderful! I didn't see that episode but I wish I had.
She must have caught an old rerun- that sounds like it was the inspiration for her "genius" invention. Well, after the diagnostic & cure patch idea got laughed out of dodge, that is.
FACT CHECK
*Claim* Elizabeth Holmes has crazy-looking eyes.
_Affirmative!_
She's got those Gollum eyes...and you've just swallowed the precious. Good luck.
Scott’s question as to how she got those first few influential investors, and all of your general shock at why these people invested is answered when you understand she wasn’t approaching these men as a CEO or even inventor or engineer; she approached these men - who were powerful but, critically, not VCs - as a favoured grand daughter. Watch her with Bill Clinton and you’ll see it loud and clear. This is a “one of us” operation - which she herself was probably genuine about at first, because outrageously privileged people like her (daughter of one of the Enron criminals, don’t forget) believe in their own genius, and even more in the genius of the fruit of their loins. They believe that coming from wealth is a proof of character, of intelligence, of competence, rather than simply of luck. Her older, friends-of-the-family investors like Schultz knew her to be “one of them” probably knew her growing up - they wouldn’t dream of questioning her as they would a stranger from a different socio-economic group.
You're awarded Best Comment so far! I agree 100%. To build on your thoughts though, I would add there is no shame in elder family and acquaintances supporting and encouraging younger members, especially grandfathers to granddaughters. This is a time honored practice. But this young woman used this granddaughter role to use these men to her advantage.
I believe she initially appealed to some people in the guise of seeking mentorship. I can't remember the details from the podcast I listened to some time back. It was when she was still an undergrad and before she deepened her voice. She likely inspired the male protective instinct and appealed by her general air of precociousness.
That's a great observation! I was wondering something similar, but couldn't put it into words. She seemed to me like a kid, such a young face, but it's not really about her age, you're exactly right, it's the "granddaughter vibe", TOTALLY.
She reminds me of Mark zuckerberg i think they share some behaviors and psychopathic elements especially the awkwardly long staring 😅 **would loooove a body language analysis for him !!!!!!!
Ewww. They are from the same planet or something. I see it.
Yesss!! I thought exactly the same - tries to speak exactly like him. Gross.
Mark's impersonations are priceless!!!
Brilliant
As Greg would say, "Her blink rate is yesterday."
LMAO
Her behaviour is weird and I'm SCARED of her eyes! Yikes!
Ive seen that stare before, run boys run.
That, or she's trying to impersonate Marty Feldman, when she doesn't have Graves' disease. (⊙_⊙)
Lols
Buzzword salad. Saying a lot but saying nothing.
Key to her generation. More words, more credibility.
And lots of hand talking.
Same crazed eyes as Suckerberg....they come from the same android family.
I’ve watched so many videos from you guys I don’t even know how to act normal anymore 🥴😂
What about her hair?! That pose of "I´m too smart to get my hair done and be sexy, I´m beyond that"... I watch you guys every week fron Argentina, I´m practising my english with you
I was just about to ask why is her hair such a mess. This makes so much sense.
Good for you man! Keep at it
I can't be a fraud because my hair's a mess kinda vibe... Now, if my hair was great too, that would be too much for you mortals to handle.
That is a part of her look. I am a business woman not a dolly bird.
Mark, I am 75 and have worn turtlenecks for years; I live in the snow belt; my younger self for warmth, my older self to cover my wrinkles.
@@richardvinsen2385 also in her seating of her leg crossing like a man.
She has crazy eyes. No need for further analysis.
Please don’t edit! The camaraderie & fun is priceless.
I love watching you guys, especially when you’re talking about such an out and out liar! Please don’t delete the interactions between the 4 of you - those are always so enjoyable.
I love watching Chase while Mark speaks.
Me too.
It would make a great Meme.
Find someone who looks at you the way Chase looks at Mark :)
I am just starting to watch your videos but this person gives off such a crazy vibe to me. ( No offense intended) ..if I was to meet her in person I would not want to associate.. she causes my alarm bells to go off .her eyes.. that glare..her jaw is to tight..she just is very fake
I am a chemist and worked for a very large Pharmaceutical/medical equipment companies, I have been involved in FDA new releases as well as compliance with other aspects of already approved and ongoing drugs and machines. I am in total disbelief that this woman has gotten away with such a huge scam. She does NOT have technology to do what she claims to have. FDA compatibility is not a big mystery they just want to make sure your devices or drugs are made consistently, documented properly and perform consistently. FDA requires that your documentation is never destroyed or erased if a mistake is made you need to document the mistake and prove it was a mistake not an act of fraud. AND BTW EVERYONE who makes medical devices and medications HAS to work with the FDA. She keeps saying they are voluntarily working with the FDA , they have no choice . And Quality assurance includes not only the production of the machines but also the efficacy and reproducibility of what those machines do. They may be inspected by different teams within the FDA but her claiming this was a quality systems inspection does not exclude the efficacy of their product.
Thank you! Always good to hear from people who know what they are talking about.
I don’t recall the details, but Elizabeth and Sonny apparently thought they could bypass the FDA by claiming they were tech/hardware not medicine, or something. It’s in Carryrou’s book, but it’s been a while since I read it. I can look it up for you?
@@dqverify6797 Well, I guess they didn't get away with that. I'm not sure what their reasoning would be because if you are diagnosing people that is certainly a medical procedure. I haven't really followed this because I found it rather distasteful that this young fraudster could manipulate so many people. Well, if I want to be honest it sounded like she was a good looking young woman who used that to finance her start up based on a technology we just don't have yet. I figured it would be exposed sooner or later and I really feel sorry for any patients that fell for this. I would not expect them to doubt the credibility of something that is installed in their local drugstore.
Thank you for telling me what her reasoning was for feeling that she had an option.
I believe you should start evaluating the people who are being taken in by these con people.
Underpinning everything she says is her profound arrogance and her belief that the person she is speaking to is not very bright.
Why do she and Zuckerberg and Jared Loughner all look they were made in the same alien skin-suit factory?
Because they did.
DARPA Costumers, Inc.
The FIrst thing I thought when I heard her talk was she sounds exactly like Barack Obama
me too!!! she mimics success. It's just so apparent.
Maintaining that voice must have been exhausting - I wonder if she still does it - in jail?
I agree and was wondering the same thing. Mark's voice impression of Margaret Thatcher was too funny 🤣🤣
She didn't go to jail.
What? I thought she got a prison sentence? Someone in the comments said she has 10 years and 10 months of her sentence left.@@gusgrizzel8397
There's videos where she "fell out of character" apparently and used her normal voice.
People indeed trust women with deeper voices. It's probably because people have trusted men more than women for so long. Also, deeper voices tend to be soothing, esp. on the radio. Elizabeth probably knew that and thought she'd use an artificially deep voice to sound more authoritative, esp. since she was only 19 when she got the idea for this technology and could also be dismissed because of her age.@@angkeats7111
How more people didn't notice this lady was bat sh*t crazy just by looking at those hollow unblinking eyes is baffling. SO CREEPY.
So, did you guys see that the missing 4-year-old girl in West Australia was found safe?
I hope the child did not suffer trauma. however chances are slim. I dont think the kidnapper did his crime without a motive. Poor child.The parents must go trough hell.
I think the majority of us thought she had been murdered, so this news is amazing, I'm sure a lot of people will raise a glass to toast the joy of this outcome.
@@maureeningleston1501 Im more of a realist, FBI says in the first 24 hrs most victims are killed. i believe he did not kill her for a reason.
I hope there is a support team around the parents and the child get all medical help possible.
Please do a critique on David Miscavige, that Scientology executive who’s always got a sneer on his face when he’s talking on stage . He’s a horrible man.
Where is Shelly?
She is a sad example of todays society in that someone can talk absolute rubbish but if they do it convincingly people believe what they say.
It's happened since the beginning of time. Snake oil salesmen.
This would have been better if the speakers talked while showing the video, so we can see the body movements while they explained. If they want to be seen while they describe, then do a split screen.
I can't really explain it, but when she speaks....I often visualize Zuckerberg. Big eyes? Speech pattern? Lip movement? The need to smile while talking? The head bob though, drives me nuts when people do that. Can't stand to watch KH talk for that reason (and perhaps more). I will add that I previously worked in Medical Diagnostics and if she had told me her vision...I would have looked for a golden egg in her chair every time she stood up.
This woman has no medical expertise. Didn’t anyone else see that as shady from the get go?
She started her company at the age of 19, after half a year of college...how much could she have known about the ultra-complex field of biochemistry? I'd like to understand why this didn't seem to matter to the investors and board of directors of Theranos.
@@judyfrancis4515 yeah that was my very first question. What does high school graduate know about biochemistry on that level. Huge scam. Now shes walking into court holding mommy’s hand like she doesn’t know what she did wrong. Total sociopath like Stephanie Lazarus, they could possibly be related even.
I don't understand. If she knew she was fraudulently promoting a technology that didn't exist, what did she think would happen? Did she think she'd never get caught? Did she think she could continue to stall investors for the rest of her life? Did she not have the foresight to see that doing that would turn out badly for her? Why announce a breakthrough technology before you even create it? I'm so confused as to why she did this.
As a teacher of teenagers for 20 years, her behavior is simply juvenile - a fast talking liar. I would say (after her answers), “So anyway, what is the answer to my simple question??” Ugh
Ahaha! This is so true. I'm a teacher too and I say the same to my students when they avoid the question.
I'm too busy to try to figure out what you are trying to say. So answer the question I asked and don't make me stif through it. 😑
We are the real time body language experts - moms and teachers 😉
As an ordinary female of a certain age, the first thing I noticed that put me off and told me there was a problem with her, was her messy hair. Women can’t get away with that above a certain level, her hands reminded me of a (UK) sixth former giving a talk and sinking but trying to rescue herself. Her hands are small and looked sweaty, they flapped uselessly. It’s hard to believe these top companies thought she was the next big thing.
It’s very affected. The messy hair, throwback turtleneck sweater, etc says, “I’m too busy with Important Things to trouble with fashion.”
Yes , I took her style as trying to be quirky and edgy, like a science nerd, but she looks uncomfortable so she doesn't pull it off.
She's trying to be perceived as a boy
After your Bride of Chucky analysis (my eternal fav of your vids), this has to be my #2 of your work. This woman's arrogance and psycopathy is sooo annoying, and I must admit to being thrilled at her fall from grace. I'm with Scott in feeling so upset/annoyed with her callous lack of empathy for the sick people her company took advantage of with their fraudulent testing....just hope her planned pregnancy doesn't keep her from getting a long and well-deserved jail sentence, the sooner the better!
The minute I heard her, I could tell she was manipulating her voice. It was so strange-sounding and profoundly obvious! I can't believe other people didn't find it freakish and stopped everything right there.
Exactly! It sounds like she's doing a bad impression of a woman with a naturally deep voice.
Scott: “She’s getting on my last nerve”. Hilarious. Too bad her parents never told her that when she was growing up. I get the feeling that her parents treated her like a special little princess and never called her out on her lies & b.s.
That's what I say about AOC. I'm so sure she was told how special she is when she should've been told to shut up once in a while.
Her blood sample was exposed to the air before testing. Even I know that would mess up even that specimen.
Great channel.
Always enjoyable.
I would love to see you
analyze Melania's reactions and smiles
for Trump.
Hey guys, they found little Chloe Smith and she’s back with her parents…you were spot on with them
If all of these high powered people are part of her board of directors, what the heck does a board of directors even do? They can’t ferret out a scammer with all of their “experience”. They sound incompetent!
Or they were part of the scam but made sure to cya
@@cannab-al9582 so true, can't put anything past them.
The saying goes, the fish rots from the head down.
Not only is her body language off, but she is talking in circles.
Her father, Christian Rasmus Holmes IV, was a vice president at Enron, an energy company that later went bankrupt after an accounting fraud scandal.
Wow. Thank you for posting
Enron was quite the story. They owed billions. Not sure if anyone served time but the mortgage scam had one scapegoat?
Every time she answers a question I forget what the actual question was by the end of her answer 🚩🚩🚩 👁 👄 👁 🚩🚩🚩
When simple "yes" or "no" questions turn into essay explanations, Houston we have a problem!!
P.S.
....I like bad jokes
when chase went in on his assessment while unknowingly on mute, you guys were brutal 😆 you guys are so fun! love the brotherly teasing amongst yourselves. so awesome
Can y’all do the Rittenhouse trial?
Yes, PLEASE
Esp the crying scene!!
My mother and father were both diagnosed with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. I learned early on not to believe anything they said, because they would lie lie lie lie about anything and everything if it suited them. They'd present a wonderful appearance to those in the community, etc - but at home they were demons; pure evil. My mother died in 2008, and to this day one of her old friends is still, "your mother was a saint - one of the kindest and best people to ever walk this planet"! Um, no, she was absolutely terrible...
Hannah ... So sorry you had to deal with this kind of 'mind f---ing' as a child. Do you find, now, that you are particularly sensitive ... do you have good 'radar' ... for people like your parents and how do you deal with this?
My mom was like that as well. My healing began the day I stopped organizing & managing her fan club. True story
Good analogy!!!!! Congrats on having the strength to do that!!!!!
Also maybe you can relate.. after resigning as her biggest fan, my mother gave me the evil eye and cold shoulder on her death bed.
@@looking4things669 Scary and sad ... but reality.
Chase, thank you SO MUCH for pointing out that you think she is copying the behavioral and vocal patterns of Barack Obama!! Every single time I’ve watched her, she kept reminding me of someone and I couldn’t figure it out! You nailed it! Thanks to all of you for sharing your amazing talents with us ‘ordinary people!”
She idolized Steve Jobs, and tries to emulate him
I've always felt that her posture, mostly when sitting, always had intentional 'masculine' undertones.. much like the voice, she is mirroring (of sorts) what a male would project and short of the big blues and colored blonde hair, she is almost devoid of female attributes.
Her copying of Jobs etc is (to me) JUST COMICAL! I wouldn't have been able to not call her out on it!🤣
Most likely intentional, because male attributes get more respect/attention in fields of business and science. If I'm in a room of friends that are mostly male and everyone's talking over me because my voice is too high and gets ignored, I'll sometimes break out my "dude voice," and suddenly everyone shuts up and turns to see where the commanding voice is coming from. Then they all look horrified. But at least I made my point!
@@SchlichteToven Exactly! I am considered 'Loud'..
Holmes NEVER says three important words, "I don't know."
Except in her deposition, where she says over 600 times. :)
Her eyes are scary looking 😱
That is her defining feature. They are always wide open, and NEVER (at least it seems) BLINK. Creepy, for aure.
It is easy to laugh at her body language after she was busted, but could you have laughed before she was busted? So, you are interpreting any movement as an indication that she is lying, but that is after you knew that. Try to apply your knowledge to other CEOs and predict whether they are lying or not.
Of course, CEOs are lying about their products, performance, and ongoing expense, can you say APPLE merchandise. The purpose of advertising is to create a need where there is none.
The consumer/audience's job is to question everything all the time, which most people don't do.
Check your kitchen or workshop, how many things do you have purchased, or freebies that duplicate the same function. Got a butter knife?
These guys are great. But I would like to add something here, because they are all men and none have being raised to be women. Speaking of culture, it is part of the feminine culture to sit straight and with your legs together (for formal occasions like an interview.) That's why lots of women cross their legs while they are sitting. The fact that she seats slouching, with her legs open, one leg bent over the other knee, is aggressively masculine and fits in with the Steve Jobs outfit and the deep voice. She is seriously taking on a masculine presence to begin with, because she commands more influence and power that way, at least in her view.
i agree with you, I was wondering how they didn't mentioned it, but I guess maybe she acts this way because no one took her seriously or maybe someone harassed her so she's doing this as a way to protect herself, cause you know being evil doesn't protect you from other evil.
and can you honestly blame her??! (acting in a very masculine way I mean not the other things)
think about it when you wears and act in very feminine way what the first thing comes to a man mind??
thank god most of them get their s**t together and realize that we aren't chimpanzees anymore but there's those who don't.
(I don't know maybe I have bad experiences but I think most of woman had those experiences)
what a strange woman
After the guys said it, I can't stop seeing and hearing her as imitating Obama. Especially when she makes the speech about doing the right thing - I can even imagine his voice saying her words. Yikes!
I've just realized that she reminds me of Mark Zuckerberg in so many ways, not to mention the shape and size of her eyes, her blink rate, and her locked- on stare when speaking. I'd love an analytical comparison of the two of them.
I find her fascinating. Young woman, not even super smart, and yet she fooled so many people, and was self-made billionaire, such a huge success especially being a woman. And what she did was extremely bold, to the point of absurd (being able to sell such /allegedly/ highly advanced technology /which didn't even exist/, and which was so beyond her own expertise in biology or technology). Of course, it's all fraud and evil, but fascinating nevertheless. She's like completely from another planet than normal people, creating her own world, nevermind such a detail as the truth😉. It's hilarious.
Agreed
Psychopaths are indeed fascinating! They would do things normal people would never have the nerve to even think about doing
All the rich folks who fell for the theranos stuff must have never been in a beer joint cause there is always that one chick in the beer joint with eyes like elizabeth Holmes and every once in a while some rube comes in and leaves without his keys and wallet cause he falls for her stuff.