Incidentally I am leaving uct and emigrating. I’m a medical doctor with 5 years experience and a year in clinical research and was told that I “need not apply” for a permanent position at uct. They will await a person with sufficient melanin to fill the vacancy regardless of experience.
Fascinating & enlightening conversation guys. Absolutely frightening what is going on in our "academic" institutions which is supposed to be a haven of free speech, tolerance and learning. If this is the future of our country, heaven help us.
I do not agree with everything Benatar says, indeed I disagree with a great deal of it, but I believe Benatar offers a very succinct and very polite argument.
With regards to curriculum transformation, the university does not simply choose black academics because they are black. Their race is a deciding factor but it is not as if the university will choose any academic regardless of assessing the standard of their work. Such an academic and their work will be chosen if their work meets the standards of the university. There has been an emphasis on black academic work because such work has been ignored and disregarded for many many decades. It makes sense that the limelight should be on works that have historically been unrecognised. Further, the increased emphasis on black academics and their work does not equate to the erasure of works by white academics, there is simply just less focus on it.
"Their race is a deciding factor". It's incredible how you just casually slip this in. You're also very confused about standards. If 10 people meet the academic standard but the person highest above the standard is white then not choosing them is not only racist but lowers the standard of scholarship.
Dude could easily work at Oxford. BTW, Peter Boghossian (famous for the Grievance Studies Affair) is gonna have a tour around universities across America asking students about their experiences with wokeism. ua-cam.com/video/OPf9YgFXvQc/v-deo.html
13:10 It is important to note that students and the SRC had been engaging with the university for over a year about the issues of Rhodes and fees. The protests broke out because of the frustration felt by the university's (and government's) unresponsiveness and constant delay of actively addressing the issues. So yes, mechanisms are for students to voice grievances and these mechanisms were indeed used but did not produce results. Protests break out when it is the only way an institution/government will listen.
From a very very legal reliable source the fall of UCT and the Rhodes memorial had everything to do with expelling Freemasonary, yet this prof does not mention this.
Glad I listened, to me Benetar sounds like a disgruntled older White man who no longer enjoys the unfettered privileges his skin colour allowed him in the past. He has repeatedly clashed with the BAC and most recently ( Dec 2021) he lost a case where he was seeking to force the BAC to reveal their members. He is anti-progress, anti-transformation and anti-decolonization but because he lacks the spine to openly voice his opinions, he writes books like this which give a completely one sided view of the ongoings at UCT.
🤣 He's completely spineless! Just read the online court judgement....I couldn't stop laughing at the bad reasoning he advanced. Felt the court judge used Benetar's "professor" title with the irony it deserves... I recommend reading the judgement for comic relief provided by Benetar's founding court papers...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣The rookie mistakes made in these papers show that Mark Oppenheimer is a "bad lawyer" as Malema told him to his face in a separate, more, recent court battle.
Yes Jason is black but why not invite someone who's more well versed about the FMF and RMF movement? ,eg. you could not/don't understand what is meant by "Decolonisation" of education is,there would've been a perfect opportunity for you to further be educated about what is meant by "Decolonisation" for a more impartial view.But no rather get a "Jason" who is "black" so he'll "represent" RMF, FMF and essentially the "Blacks" and sort of give a wishy washy explanation of what decolonisation is...cowardly much?🤔
It is not the case that all or only black people are in favour of decolonization - to assume this assumes the worst kind of race essentialism. We only ever have one guest on the show at a time. But we strive to give a voice and a platform to anyone who wishes to appear on the show, and we usually have two shows on each topic with guests who have dissenting views. If you or someone you nominate would like to appear on the show, please feel free to contact us. We would love to have a dissenting view on the show, and will treat the guest with the same respect we treat all our guests.
@@MavIllaThanMost I don't think the problem is that they need to be further educated about decolonisation. It is a pretty common place doctrine for anyone involved in academia these days and the sentiment is well understood by most. Besides, I don't think the FMF movement has ever been much about holding impartial or reasonable views. Radical ideologues aren't particularly interesting to listen to in any reasonable discussion. Perhaps the best way to contribute is to make the effort and reach out constructively instead of throwing weak accusations. Projection much?
The mirror of interpretation here is unfortunately very Eurocentric. I smell nothing here except the mourn of those whose privilege is slowly being dismantled and hence the frenzied attempt to re-capture the narrative.
The "mirror of interpretation" here, by and large, is the Constitution of South Africa. While yours, of course is the urge to purge any dissent Maoist self-corrective style, because you cannot engage with the points rationally.
@@henniebester9437 to appeal to the constitution over some art takes a lot of guts. THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE was also a fight for self-definition. And this is just the beginning
@@benjaminpedro769 not really, the Constitution is drafted around *individual* rights and doesn't care much about hysteria regarding identity. Besides, the liberation struggle was concluded way before the meteoric rise of American identity politics. I also wonder how you get to "decolonise your mind" when you slavishly lap everything dished up from a postmodernist fad from the US?
@@camillococcia2706 if you are trying to establish equivalence between liberation from apartheid and the exotic ideas regarding liberation in the context of intersectionality, then you can count on strong denial.
Thanks for bringing Prof. Benatar again! Always a pleasure in encountering such a formidable intellect and a tremendous intellectual courage.
He has recently been married to a very attractive female chinchilla
Interesting episode. I just started reading the book. Thanks for producing & sharing this.
Incidentally I am leaving uct and emigrating. I’m a medical doctor with 5 years experience and a year in clinical research and was told that I “need not apply” for a permanent position at uct. They will await a person with sufficient melanin to fill the vacancy regardless of experience.
You were told?? By who?? ...regardless of experience??? Did they tell you this too??
@@benjaminpedro769 lmao unbelievable isn't it
@@benjaminpedro769 whom
@@benjaminpedro769 Whom
@@billgild154 old school
Fascinating & enlightening conversation guys. Absolutely frightening what is going on in our "academic" institutions which is supposed to be a haven of free speech, tolerance and learning. If this is the future of our country, heaven help us.
I do not agree with everything Benatar says, indeed I disagree with a great deal of it, but I believe Benatar offers a very succinct and very polite argument.
With regards to curriculum transformation, the university does not simply choose black academics because they are black. Their race is a deciding factor but it is not as if the university will choose any academic regardless of assessing the standard of their work. Such an academic and their work will be chosen if their work meets the standards of the university. There has been an emphasis on black academic work because such work has been ignored and disregarded for many many decades. It makes sense that the limelight should be on works that have historically been unrecognised. Further, the increased emphasis on black academics and their work does not equate to the erasure of works by white academics, there is simply just less focus on it.
This is inaccurate. UCT currently has a policy, in some departments, of literally excluding white academics.
@@billgild154 please share the source of where you found this information
It doesn't make sense.. It only makes sense to woke ideologues.
"Their race is a deciding factor". It's incredible how you just casually slip this in. You're also very confused about standards. If 10 people meet the academic standard but the person highest above the standard is white then not choosing them is not only racist but lowers the standard of scholarship.
Forever dancing around the cause.
Dude could easily work at Oxford.
BTW, Peter Boghossian (famous for the Grievance Studies Affair) is gonna have a tour around universities across America asking students about their experiences with wokeism.
ua-cam.com/video/OPf9YgFXvQc/v-deo.html
Thoroughly enjoyed the discussion. Where can I buy the book?
www.amazon.com/Fall-University-Cape-Town-university-ebook/dp/B09L96NJRK
13:10 It is important to note that students and the SRC had been engaging with the university for over a year about the issues of Rhodes and fees. The protests broke out because of the frustration felt by the university's (and government's) unresponsiveness and constant delay of actively addressing the issues. So yes, mechanisms are for students to voice grievances and these mechanisms were indeed used but did not produce results. Protests break out when it is the only way an institution/government will listen.
I think you meant to say "the only way an institution/government will agree."
22:54 - Insensitivity; looking from the outside
When he says overseas he probably means Denmark. He is stalking Denmark
Which Peter Singer speech was almost cancelled?
You can view the details here: ua-cam.com/video/YElRc9vfb6A/v-deo.html
From a very very legal reliable source the fall of UCT and the Rhodes memorial had everything to do with expelling Freemasonary, yet this prof does not mention this.
Nonsense.
Glad I listened, to me Benetar sounds like a disgruntled older White man who no longer enjoys the unfettered privileges his skin colour allowed him in the past. He has repeatedly clashed with the BAC and most recently ( Dec 2021) he lost a case where he was seeking to force the BAC to reveal their members.
He is anti-progress, anti-transformation and anti-decolonization but because he lacks the spine to openly voice his opinions, he writes books like this which give a completely one sided view of the ongoings at UCT.
🤣 He's completely spineless! Just read the online court judgement....I couldn't stop laughing at the bad reasoning he advanced. Felt the court judge used Benetar's "professor" title with the irony it deserves... I recommend reading the judgement for comic relief provided by Benetar's founding court papers...🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣The rookie mistakes made in these papers show that Mark Oppenheimer is a "bad lawyer" as Malema told him to his face in a separate, more, recent court battle.
Why not invite any black people on this topic?
Jason is black.
Yes Jason is black but why not invite someone who's more well versed about the FMF and RMF movement? ,eg. you could not/don't understand what is meant by "Decolonisation" of education is,there would've been a perfect opportunity for you to further be educated about what is meant by "Decolonisation" for a more impartial view.But no rather get a "Jason" who is "black" so he'll "represent" RMF, FMF and essentially the "Blacks" and sort of give a wishy washy explanation of what decolonisation is...cowardly much?🤔
It is not the case that all or only black people are in favour of decolonization - to assume this assumes the worst kind of race essentialism.
We only ever have one guest on the show at a time.
But we strive to give a voice and a platform to anyone who wishes to appear on the show, and we usually have two shows on each topic with guests who have dissenting views.
If you or someone you nominate would like to appear on the show, please feel free to contact us. We would love to have a dissenting view on the show, and will treat the guest with the same respect we treat all our guests.
@@MavIllaThanMost I don't think the problem is that they need to be further educated about decolonisation. It is a pretty common place doctrine for anyone involved in academia these days and the sentiment is well understood by most. Besides, I don't think the FMF movement has ever been much about holding impartial or reasonable views. Radical ideologues aren't particularly interesting to listen to in any reasonable discussion. Perhaps the best way to contribute is to make the effort and reach out constructively instead of throwing weak accusations. Projection much?
The mirror of interpretation here is unfortunately very Eurocentric. I smell nothing here except the mourn of those whose privilege is slowly being dismantled and hence the frenzied attempt to re-capture the narrative.
The "mirror of interpretation" here, by and large, is the Constitution of South Africa. While yours, of course is the urge to purge any dissent Maoist self-corrective style, because you cannot engage with the points rationally.
@@henniebester9437 to appeal to the constitution over some art takes a lot of guts. THE LIBERATION STRUGGLE was also a fight for self-definition. And this is just the beginning
@@benjaminpedro769 not really, the Constitution is drafted around *individual* rights and doesn't care much about hysteria regarding identity. Besides, the liberation struggle was concluded way before the meteoric rise of American identity politics. I also wonder how you get to "decolonise your mind" when you slavishly lap everything dished up from a postmodernist fad from the US?
@@camillococcia2706 if you are trying to establish equivalence between liberation from apartheid and the exotic ideas regarding liberation in the context of intersectionality, then you can count on strong denial.
@@henniebester9437 I actually misread the comment