There's some theories, that William would be not only a star of American Football(despite being smoll), wrestling, weightlifting but also of "inflexible" disciplines not requiring excessive creativity. I treat those theories with suspicion(as they can flip any moment with new data), as several inventions of Neandertals were replicaed by Humans only around 40 000 years after their demise eg matches. You dont invent those with inflexible mind, in my opinion.
yeah but realistically there would probably be issues as he's literally a different species. it's like having an Ape participating in sports against humans
I watched this movie. The father is a Narcissist and was so jealous and insecure that he didn't get as much attention as his Neanderthal son did, that he destroyed his relationship with his wife and his son. It was sad to see the ending that the Neanderthal has more humanity in him than his father and most human beings he was interacting with.
What are you talking about - they WERE human, and still are : in us, and he was just a simple person like everyone but writting about this humanity it looks just like you think he was separate.. kinda like his father and others in the movie. I'm sorry if you just put your thoughts in bad words and didn't mean that but I just had to write this, because this subject was/is very important by moral means.
@@liwkaosmaek9874 i suppose it could depend on one's definition of "human", but I'd say Neanderthals weren't humans. Humans are Homo Sapiens whereas Neanderthals are another species entirely
That dad managed to screw up his relation with his son 3 times in a row after doing the same thing with his wife the dude doesnt learn from his mistakes its so annoying
@@johngibson2884 Narcissists are psychologically incapable of a accepting they're wrong. He views William as an extension of himself, his own failure. It's clear he resents him.
It is said that a living Neanderthal would probably have a voice very different from a modern human. Their vocal chords make scientists think that Neanderthals could pronounce some of the sounds we can’t and couldn’t pronounce some sounds that we can.
@@NotSandhorst Probably a bit similar to ancient Inuits who practice throat singing, and who by the way have larger amount of Neanderthal genes . Inuits also evolved in the cold like Neanderthals did, with stocky body and short legs, dark red skin. Neanderthal mostlikely couldn't have been white skin because they were meat eaters and hunter gatherers, blonde hair and white skin is a much younger mutation that came with wheat agriculture and much warmer weather from the steps of the dark brown reddish from the Indian subcontinent to Europe. No one is really sure why the red hair didn't happened in other parts of the world, but it could be because of a common shared cave environment in the pontic region North of middle East, with its cloudy, mountainous and many caves who served as shelter to Neanderthal and later human who dwelled in those dark caves to survive the elements and dangerous animals.
@@rebecavillanova7622 that's literally wrong... lmfao Caucasians and Asians have the most Neanderthal DNA and Africans have relatively no Neanderthal DNA.. do you just say things without knowing what you're talking about?
@@Gatsu_Gambino I went back to read my last comment twice and I still haven't found where I did mentioned something about Africans and Neanderthal. Do you know what is a Inuit? They live in Northern Canada and they have relatives in Russia's Siberia, even Finland. I believe that they are categorised as east Asians, not African. And yes they tend to be a bit brown, that's because they of vitamin D rich fishery.
Who the fuck tells their child that it was a failure, a caveman, a freak in a sense. Brings me back to a quote I read a while back: "All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve children."
Similar to another quote i've heard _"While your children may come from you, they do not belong to you. And while they may carry your hopes and dreams, they do not owe you to carry your burdens."_
You know, it isn't possible to be a perfect parent all the time... And there is a difference between a bully and a frustrated parent who loves their kid and wants to correct their behaviour in order to nurture them into their best potential selves. I had lax parents but resented not being pushed more into something constructive... This doesn't result in me pushing my kids into anything, but it highlights how easy it is to get at least part of it wrong in the kids eyes, and it has lead me to be sure to mould my kids into someone that people and myself can like. It's very possible to love your kids and yet also not like them, so you don't ever want to be in that position as a parent, and simultaneously you also want them to like you too and love you of course. Your kids need to be able to come to you when they need you, but they also need someone who loves them to be the one who punishes them but with understanding and well-being in mind! Ultimately you only want the kid to be sorry enough so they learn and don't hurt someone or themselves again, essentially it revolves around that! And as a Father it becomes your job to teach your children about responsibility and therefore empathy for others! That doesn't mean you don't show empathy too though! I can't tell you how many regrets I have as a Father, but I can tell you I love my boys with all my heart and if anything makes me tick, its my Family! And Father that truly is a Bully, has set himself up a bad hand and I'll explain why... Remember Red on that 70s show? Well I thought (with my eldest son) that what was missing from boys upbringings was a more stern father... essentially a hardass dad... I look back on how fvcking stupid that was now with extreme feelings of pain and regret deep in my heart that I cannot express! I am so glad I realised the error of my ways and didn't dig my heals in however just to protect my own ego! I needed to accept I was wrong in some ways, and have spent the years ever since making it upto my Son! I didn't abuse him, but I WAS much more quick to discipline and much less prone to patience also as I am now with my youngest! I was gentle and loving with both boys and especially as babies... but with the second boy, I have learned from regrets I have and as a result, I parent them both differently now! The best advice I can give any parent is be patient! Let them try things out... so what if you were just trying to water the lawn with the little time you have, and dont want to be interrupted just so the kid can have a play with the hose, that is what being a Dad is ALL about! Instead, cherish that moment!! It wont last and it WILL fly by like nothing! And you dont get to do it ever again! I'm telling you, dont be like me and realize one day, that your son today at 3 years of age, just got what you were trying to tell him for the last year, and for the last year you were getting frustrated that "you'd told him before"! Who is the idiot? The kid who was 2 going on 3, or adult for thinking there was a point in repeating himself? You won't fully understand what a 2 year old can understand yet or a 3 year old, so instead of thinking "you should know this" be prepared to let them show you as they go, what they know! Give them time! Not for ever, some things do need a push along, but he patient! Be loving, and teach them to take responsibility... Do it all in their best interests, and you'll make it through Fatherhood without wondering if you're a bully to your own son. The man who gets it wrong will he left with two choices, either dig in them heals, ruining the relationship even more, and the development of your child believing you had it right, or to face the consequences of regret out of genuine love and care for their children. If you decided that a pinch of hardassness was tough love well I am warning you now! It gonna be much tougher on you for years to come if you're not a complete narcissist
The decision to put the college professor who deals with Neanderthals in his class defining them as stupid brutes in at the beginning of the 00's (the period in which I imagine the experiment with William would have taken place) is quite strange. Even popular science channels, as Discovery or Natural Geographic, already spoke of Neanderthals as a very intelligent species with complex social interactions in the 90s.
I agree that scene in the classroom where William confronts his "father" made no sense whatsoever. Plus, you would have to ask yourself, why would the guy put so much time and effort into cloning a Neanderthal if that was his opinion of them? Unless the language he used in his lecture was the result of his disappointment with William. But still, you really have to hate the dad character.
@@badbiker666 yes, if he had grown to hate Neanderthals after the experiment, but if I understood the review correctly, from the very beginning he would have considered them stupid.
I can easily see that as him projecting his own resentment of his son into his work. This dude is one that worships academic brilliance, so the fact his son is not a genius makes him really resentuful. If William had had a father that was, say, a mechanic, or a farmer, he would have lived a live pretty indistinghisable from other people.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Speciation is a delicate and nuanced topic, especially with regard to closely related groups of animals. I'm not a biologist, much less a cladist, but as far as I know they are currently considered distinct species, but for me there would be no problem in considering them the same species, precisely because of the point you raised.
A decent concept, but poorly executed. The rejection William feels from both his peers and his father are supposed to represent the rejection some people feel when they are "othered" or ostracized and unfairly maligned for traits they didn't choose. The problem is, if anyone should know that Neanderthals were intelligent beings with their own culture, it would be his dad. The researcher who studies Neanderthals should know this, but because it's his dad (someone who should love him) the writer made him uncharacteristically cruel to drive home the plot of feeling rejected. That's what happens with you're a writer who comes up with great ideas but is unable to put them on paper without relying on old tropes.
But it should fit our reality because of the concept! This movie is a remake of an old movie called ICEMAN I believe? But like all modern remakes they take and ruin good movies with edited storylines and garbage plot twists! Which is exactly why they all fail and we only know about them from UA-cam channels like this ! But who knows Maybe someone is inspired to do an actual movie or novel that truly captures the essence of this topic and it becomes a masterpiece or they just study anthropology and our primitive ancestors are thrust back into the limelight 😊
I’ll say this much, the comments above are both right It’s entertainment and as a film it needs to make things interesting, but also the film explores what this would be like And sadly the film falls into our notions of “clumsy dumb brute” which it is also trying to say isn’t happening and that is for the concept they try to explore is disappointing to a lot of people I believe this film was trying to reach out to Instead of him failing stuff due to incompetence, let him choose to not invest anymore than he has into subjects his father pushes him into And don’t make him a full blown gene scientist but a historian who has his biases, instead of a man who apparently focuses on Neanderthals and should comprehend that they were more than what he has said I’m not saying the film itself is bad, because it’s not I feel for William especially as someone with autism and who has struggled in the same fields he does I think it would have been good to let him be able to succeed in the maths and the sciences but let him be more interested in culture and art Have his mother(already married to the professor) be a willing donor and let him learn art and culture from her, let him be more than a list of stereotypes that the writers sadly fall into The film isn’t bad by any means and I don’t discredit the writers or the rest of the cast and crew by any means It just falls short and misses a few shots that could have made it great, especially since I do love his design and the concept itself especially as a history nerd
My opinion after watching this movie a few times is that his father was determined to prove William was smarter than homo sapiens and as William grew and showed he wasnt necessarily smarter, but thought in a different way, it made his father mad. He continues to try to force William to think like a homosapien when William doesn't. So by the end, his father calls him stupid because William isn't what HE wanted William to be instead of accepting William for who he was. Then you add his fathers narcissistic behavior and jealousy. That was what my impression was. Vs his mother loved William no matter what, even if he worked a meaningless job. His father expected and demanded William prove to the world that he was essentially a genius and could learn anything when that's not true for homosapiens either. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and his father couldn't accept Williams.
That is possibly the real reason that Homo sapiens is the dominant Hominid on Earth. We reject The Other, if they "write in the wrong direction," venerate ancestors at household altars, and speak a different language. Add "skin deep" differences, and wiping out the Neaderthals is SOP.
I don’t. People treat other people like shit over the unsubstantiated concept of ‘race’. Imagine what they would do to a CONFIRMED other species of human. Religious people would lose their fucking minds too.
@@vanthdreadstar8788 the percentage of people who would actually do that are also a-holes from the start, and obviously not the majority. It's a narrative not substantiated by facts.
I vividly remember a conversation I once had with my grandfather (may he rest in peace). I was maybe 10 or 11 years old. My mind was all about Jurassic Park and dinosaurs. Back then, the South Koreans were making major headlines for being in the planning stages of bringing back mammoths. That got me and my sci-fi filled childish mind going crazy over the idea of bringing back other prehistoric lifeforms. And I remember my grandfather saying "If someone managed to pull something like that off, all we would get would be the loneliest creature in the world."
@@ViktoriousDead he was very wise and smart. Back when he was a young man, the university of Leipzig offered him a full scholarship. He had to decline the offer due to family issues, since this was right after the second world war, and the area he grew up got it pretty bad. He was very smart. He just didn't get the education his mind needed to fully flourish.
Neanderthals were considered to be simple and brutish until quite recently. However, I have read that evidence has been discovered that indicates that they may have a very sophisticated culture. Cave paintings, jewelry, and burial rites that were previously identified as belonging to Homo Sapiens have been re-dated to Neanderthal times. Plus, they were originally believed to have died out, probably due to competition from more evolved Homo Sapiens. But VERY recently Neanderthal (and Denisovan) DNA have been identified in some modern humans. This indicates that they didn't exactly disappear, but merged with us. The only real problem I have with this movie is something the filmmakers have no control over. They only have access to Homo Sapiens actors. The Neanderthal skull was shaped differently from ours. They had a differently shaped lower jaw and their brain was also shaped different. That actor playing William did an awesome job. But the fundamental differences between the two body types extend to more than you can mimic with makeup effects. On the other hand, no real evidence has been discovered that indicate that Neanderthals weren't as "smart" as Homo Sapiens. They were around for a very long time. As a result, I would assume that they were just as capable as we are using language, doing math, and adapting to life in the 21st century.
When you look into the past with Neanderthals, Denisovans, or other bipedal hominids you realize that their is a Caveman version of Star Trek that happened before our current awareness. Like the Klingons with their craggy forheads, and the Romulans with their spoon shaped foreheads etc. Also what species of organism doesn't have cousin versions of it's self? Like if you look into timberwolves/wolves/coyotes/foxes etc. 4 leggeds with very similar function but a switch up of temperment, intelligence, and anatomical densities. It really gets into Frazetta paintings with the multi figure brawls of differing hominids as well.
Though they couldn’t talk due to the formation of their jaw. Doesn’t mean they didn’t have language just not the same way we do. They may have been more likely to use sign language and other forms of communication
@@te9591 I just read last night that a 60,000 flute made from the leg bone of a cave bear was discovered in an area where only Neanderthal remains have been found. Fascinating stuff to read.
@@badbiker666 making music shows great intelligence. also in addition to your point on hominds breeding and merging into human stock, it makes me wonder what early "humans" looked like before the merger? Would they be smaller, less muscular, slightly more elongated, and less hairy?
Neanderthals were just as sophisticated and as smart as humans, just stronger and more resilient. Yet their physical strength is what would lead to their downfall, and eventual assimilation into homosapiens. They were so strong they never needed to invent things like ranged weapons, and they never created large tribes with hundreds of people in them. So in the event of a war between humans and neanderthals, the humans would win through sheer numbers and with ranged weapons. Ranged weapons also allowed us to become more efficient when it came to gathering food, especially if food became scarce.
That seems...unlikely. Neanderthal were highly intelligent, but not in the same way than our branch. Once they found a satisfying solution, they kept it. Until they REALLY need another one. There is a possibility that some autistic traits comes from our neanderthal heritage. They were expert craftsmen, and holding a pencil shouldn't be a problem to them. They also were extraordinary strong ang agile. The 'clone' should be olympic level at an early age...
Well it's a modern movie so they have to get in their "Humans bad/stupid but hey look at [x species] they're so enlightened and connected to nature/spirituality!"
@@alaric_3015 ? Outdated data. The remain we found shows that they were apex predators, gifted hunters able to follow they prey, know their weaknesses well, spear them down ..or wrestle them down.
@@hoteldumort3852 running too, or by doing persistent hunting only? the context is human-centric foot-based sport, like sprinting, marathon, and anything running based, you might got it right on the marching part, although im not sure about the source overall still
You know what he should have done? He should have travelled to a place maybe like Greenland, or Norway, and lived with tribes like the Inuit or Sami. Away from civilization, helping them hunt and fish and survive day to day. I'm sure they would have loved to have someone of his strength helping them out and he might not be able to do every single thing that they can do with his hands but he could have had his role in the tribe that they all respected.
The Sami lmao? Yeah, nothing like going away from civilization than joining a bunch of people hoarding reindeers with helicopters that live in regular 1st world standard houses.
Neanderthals are known for very skillful stone knapping of tools, so it does not make sense that William would be unintelligent or clumsy with small objects like pencils. Their burial practices suggest care for the elderly and a spiritual life. In fact, Neanderthals and Sapiens were contemporaneous for a while, and most modern humans have Neanderthal DNA. It appears that Neanderthals were absorbed into the larger Sapiens population, not going extinct in the ordinary sense. So, I'll watch this movie if I can, but I'm not expecting to be impressed.
These things you list aren't genetic traits but however the ability to do so are . For example, if homo sapiens were to be raised by its successors, it wouldn't be possible for us to speak any language without the necessary Preconditioning.
its probably to do with neural patterns, sure we find a pencil easy to use but that's not to say a Neanderthal would find it as easy to learn these little homo sapiens traits
No, they didn't merge with humans. By the time Humans even met Neanderthals, most of them died off. Also the fact that more people have blue eyes (and even more people carry the blue eyes gene) just shows we didn't breed with Neanderthals all that much. Neanderthals became extinct 40,000 years ago. The blue eye gene first appeared somewhere between 6,000-10,000 years ago. Neanderthals were dying off well before we met them. We just met them at the end of their lives
@@snakevenom4954 They have found that Neanderthal genes contained around 7% homo sapien dna BEFORE they reconnected with homo sapiens again toward the end of their existence. Interesting, right? As a side note, Neanderthals also mated with Denisovans too.
@@presidenttogekiss635 true...but some people just don't have the right temperment for sports/combat. I'm basing all of this off of a recap..i haven't actually SEEN the movie...but a lot was made about how neurodivergant this kid was. (a term i don't normally like, as it gets overused, but in this case is likely accurate) One example in fiction you could use is Hodor from Game of Thrones.. Apparently the strongest character this side of the Mountain...but he jsut didn't have the temperment for combat. Or, for that matter, the Mountain himself..who DID have the inclination for combat but was psychoticaly dangerous...remember the tournament scene, and what was supposed to be a freindly joust? Granted, both of these characters are depicted as having some sort of brain damage, but the comparison still holds true, i think.
I call BULLSHIT on two aspects of this movie. First of all, the Powers That Be would NOT allow this one couple to raise and study him alone. He would have been taken by the State and poked, prodded, and studied until adulthood...probably in the most humane way possible, since the public was watching. Second of all, this kid would have grown up a celebrity, with the whole world fascinated by his mere existence. Most kids would have thought he was cool as Hell and would have wanted to be his best friend...so bullying would have been a rare problem, if at all. Cool concept, but very unrealistic execution.
That is not how kids work he would've definitely been a target as a child. Yes the movie is bullshit but so are your reasonings. Don't try to act smart when you don't really know why something is wrong 🙄
It beats me why scientists would even want to do a selfish thing like this to begin with. They're not even thinking about the quality of life this person would have.
this is tame, even kind or possibly loving in comparison to thing scientists have done. you don't think early medical researchs just waited for enough patients to study, they would make patients to study.
Well, realistically, this is a big: NO NO NO NO NO in terms of ethics. Neanderthals are essentially human, so cloning would be out of the picture. There are guidelines on what scientists are and are not allowed to do.
What I find interesting about this is that everyone tried to categorize William as a brute and savage, but ended up displaying more of those traits than him.
That dad is less intelligent than the Neanderthal. A Neanderthal doesn’t make a mistake twice but that father keeps making them. But interesting movie to watch. Definitely going to watch it.
Dudes a scientist and yet doesn’t comprehend how raising a child harshly and treating them poorly will only stunt their growth in all things that matter Hes close enough to a human that he deserves to be treated like one. He basically is one, yet all he does is treat him like shit
So wait..... He has used a pencil for all of his schooling AND tutoring, over the years, without issue. Then when its college exam time the breaking of the pencil lead is the catalyst for the events and emotions leading up to his murder?? That seems like a very long stretch..... but it IS a movie about a living neanderthal so I cant be too critical lolol
I have not seen this movie, so I can only speculate; maybe the breaking of the pencil, twice and during something as crucial as a college entrance exam, is meant to underscore his nervousness. Simplistic I know, but it is common enough when we are under stress.
Technically Neanderthal DNA is still in near every human on the planet. So modern humanity is in theory not humans, we are a mixed breed betwen ancient humans and Neanderthals. Though the neanderthal DNA has been rather washed down. Approximately 20% of Neanderthal DNA is still persistent in humanity. Though each individual person usually have No More than 2-3% neanderthal DNA. Ofcourse with the exeption of Africa wich is believed to have the purest concentration of ancient human DNA with very little to no Neanderthal DNA mixed in, what Does this tell us? That ancient Africa either never ran into the Neanderthals of they wiped them out rather than breed with them.
Usually college has assistance for people who cant use a pencil in some cases disabled people. William could have request for assistance or attend a separate testing session.
It's funny to me . All of these "recreations", and we still have no clue what they really looked like. My bet is they had brown hair and brown eyes like Eskimos , given the similar environment. Interesting movie though, if somewhat unscientific.
Reminds me of the 1984 Iceman, but instead of cloning they unintentionally revived a Neanderthal and try to understand him, some similar ideas come up in this movie like studying his adaptability, his DNA, and hoping that they can figure out how he survived the freezing process to apply to modern people.
If we managed to clone neatherdals I would personally want to see them paint. Like I want to see their perspective on the world and that's exactly what painting does
Their perspective would probably be like ours since we got all these new technologies and advancements that could potentially increase their life spans like it did with humans.
Why is it in movies people always make fun of people with a messed up face, in real life people just avoid eye contact or act nice cause who care what people look like. Most adults are like this inside their head when they see a not so normal face, "now did I by milk?...hmm that man has a burned face...ouch...ah yes, I did buy milk today." Continues on with life.
"Look an unarmed young man is walking slowly towards us! Dude to the circumstances unfolding before us, we could rush him to the ground but no thats too dangerous for us to do and tasering might seriously do harm him, witch means we have no other option to do but to open fire! " (war cry)
I never got why the f*ck do you stick with your outdated constitution like it was thought something like this: “Ok we should make it a law that all able bodied white man who own property should be allowed to vote and own guns to defend himself and his property. This should curb slave riots and help them survive in our savage colonial lands” And modern people still think they need guns. If you reduce the amount of weapons by 100-1000 times you would reduce the chances for their use in violent crime, reduce policeman/ civilian casulties to low and generally live in much safer country. Modern people do not need to use weapons. Like with your amount of weapons per household I do not know how people are not shooting life bullets during riots. It is not far from burning stores and demolishing statues.
I've met one dude with features of a Neanderthal in the military he was short and looked a bit wierd but was strong and very smart his gt score alone was a 132 with most normal people in the military being around the 95 range so I don't know how accurate science is about then not being smart they adapted and lived in a harsh environment and didn't have the technology we have today if they did I think they would've already made starwars a reality.
The kid William is the most normal looking kid ive seen. They didn't even do anything except enlarge a few of his facial features using CGI. I don't think a child like that would ever be bullied, he looks perfectly normal.
This sounds like yet another attempt at science fiction produced by someone who is more influenced by common tropes than actual science. Most experts now think that Neanderthals didn't deviate enough from the human norm in appearance to stand out in a crowd. This concept that they were 'brutal' is out there with the idea of 'primitive savages'. He would probably fall within the normal human range for intelligence and any brutality is likely to have been nurture rather than nature related. He probably would have had the fine motor skills to handle a pencil as well. The writers would have done a better job if they hadn't picked Neanderthals as their subject and had rather gone for something like an alien or a folkloric monster. Alternatively, they could have gone further back in human development. Most of the people in my part of the world are descended from Neanderthals so, from a modern evolutionary point of view we *are* Neanderthals (as well as monkeys, but we don't talk about that). As a modern Neanderthal descendant, I consider this movie poorly realised ;)
Oh, they would absolutely stand out, not only physically. As different populations of H.Sapiens are pretty homogenous (but still distinct enough to be classified as different sub and full species, if we went with standard applied to virtually all other creatures) there are still marked differences not only in intelligence but also in how it is expressed - neuroses, psychoses, various -pathies, addiction behaviours are more common in certain populations than in others. And at least some of that is directly proven to come from Neandertals, and presumably, other sister-species.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl just like coyotes and wolves, bison and cow(European bison is a whole new species made by crossing ancient steppe bison x aurochs), different kinds of deers and so on and so on... It happens readily in nature, there's a treshold it results in infertile offspring (like mules) but then, some rare mules are indeed fertile. It's just more advanced than high school biology that eg ignores gingers in dominant/recessive heredity. Human racemixing follows numerous laws of hybrids/speciation eg be it birth gender ratios, higher ratio of miscarriage or even something so mundane as not being able to recieve transplants from either of parents, but fellow similar hybrids
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl yet they are and you are wrong. reproducing and creating a fertile offspring doesnt make its parents same species. it is a useful rule of thumb that works most of the time but it is not universal and an incredible generalisation, like "birds are animals that fly" - then you have bats, gliders, humans(lol), insects and a multitude of birds that DO NOT fly.
This is such an interesting premise, wish they could make a better story out of it, even a series to explore the idea of bringing Neanderthals back as a species.
Technically both humans and Neanderthals died out all that time ago, difference being the offspring of human and neanderthal relations survived to evolve into what We refer to as modern humanity, part ancient human part neanderthal, though the neanderthal bit is significantly lower it is there. Particularly in european countries neanderthal DNA can be found while Africa and the East consist of purer ancient Human DNA. Far as i know anyway.
It's kind of strange that Wiliam would want to go back to 'his age' when he meets with the hippies. A more interesting direction would be for him to see the modern day as 'his age' since he was born in it and not really any different beyond genetics. If anything, I think it would be interesting if he wanted to see others like him or expressed that no one quite understands how he doesn't understand the difference between Neandethals and Homo Sapiens.
I sort of disagree. I thought so too for a second, and his friend laughed it off saying “he’s not a time travel.” And in that sense, yes, he is just as much a modern day human as us. But then he isn’t. He is a clone from a society and species long dead. The utter loneliness and sense of displacement he feels is what he is speaking to. He wants to be in a world where he is not the only one. That is why he says he wants to go back. He wants to go back to a world where he isn’t the only one. Now how much of that is genetics or his upbringing? In fact the movie fails a bit on this question quite often. He didn’t have a normal early childhood development in the lab. No socialization with other children until he was like what, 5? And with a narcissist “dad” at that? And he grew up aware he was a clone and a Neanderthal and therefore different. He had a sense of his difference. How much did all of that colour his experience and sense of displacement? I would hazard a guess quite a bit. The movie implies it is genetics… because even for the characters that is an easy move to make. But there is a reason the movie also resists that narrative. In reality there is no way to really break that down. He is a singular individual with very unique set of genes belonging to a an extinct species, with a terrible upbringing, living in a prejudiced society with. A strong sense he doesn’t belong (both because he is neurodivergent AND because his dad never accepted him). Of course he wants to go back.
That shit wouldn't happen in the US either. Campus police aren't even going to have guns in the first place, but even if they were regular street cops, they'd use a taser to subdue him. A half dozen cops aren't going to open fire on an unarmed college kid - especially a media spectacle like a "cloned neanderthal" - just because he walked toward them when they said "stop". Unless the film shows them tasing him to no effect and then him cracking a few of their skulls with the rock, it's utterly ridiculous to depict them just gunning the kid down in that situation.
To me, he appears to be much calmer, with no desire to achieve something that is not necessary. We modern humans created such a complex society to live in that we no longer live. I'm wondering if we're the stupid ones in here, and the other species are just smiling at us as we keep trying to create things we don't really need in life. Whereas other species simply accept reality and try to live and exist. Or maybe we're ( modern humans lol)from another planet, and we don't even belong here.
This. Oh my God, this. We have created a make-believe world for ourselves, and we immediately start criticizing anyone who doesn't want to live up to the standards of the modern human. Your comment, right here? It is so, so accurate.
@@averongodoffire8098 not necessarily, but overhunting and overfishing does cause the mass death of animals and sources of food, it's one thing to make enough food for many to eat, it's another to destroy the environment for an inefficient meat industry
I watched this movie today. I have never seen a movie that is so bad but good at the same time. The Neanderthal saying, "I have been forced into a less advantageous habitat by my superiors," is possibly the best line I have ever heard in a movie. Don't get me wrong- everyone's acting is shit, except maybe the Neanderthal's- but you should still give it a watch. Like I said, I have never seen a movie that is so bad, that it is so good.
I believe my husband has some neanderthal dna he is robust incredibly intelligent and has a pronounced brow bone as well as the top of his apex meeting at a sharp and pronounced line. He is very hardy and also has predominantly Norwegian bloodline (genetic testing was done). In the future hopefully with more data we will be able to understand even more. The old thoughts that Neanderthals were “stupid” and “brutish” is archaic and incorrect.
Having neanderthal DNA does not mean at all that he would be a good example of neanderthal characteristics. It has been THOUSANDS OF YEARS, the DNA left in him would be even less influential than being 1% Norwegian.
People writing them off as brutish completely forget that we have their dna in our bones so clearly something was attractive about them because Pure Brutish Animal personality doesn’t keep a lover long term
The adults in key roles in this story seem to be psychologically and pedagogically illiterate and lacking empathy. Neanderthals could make common children with Homo sapiens - they did (we know this from genetic studies) and these children were not infertile later. This is the most probable explanation of how Neanderthals became extinct: they could simply be assimilated genetically into the species of Homo sapiens. And as Homo sapiens population was orders of magnitudes larger they vanished as a distinct species. Thus, most or all of us probably have some Neanderthal genes (and ancestors), too. Neanderthals were born with teeth and they reached adult biological maturity by the age of 14 (not like Homo spaines by the age of 18).
Their portrayal was visually flawed, but steps could have been made to improve it. First, the actor was too tall. Someone shorter ought to have been cast. Second, all of the prosthetics were placed on the front of the face. That back of the head should have been elongated a bit with silicone. The torso ought also to have been modified through additional prosthetics. Slapping a heavy brow on someone does not make them look like a Neanderthal. I might add that if the clips of dialogue shown here was characteristic of the rest of the film, the script was in need of a rewrite. Because that dialogue was what you might write during a first draft. A script so poor and a depiction of Neanderthals so avoidably inaccurate does not deserve whatever emotional reactions it evokes.
So true! I feel like they got their description of a Neanderthal from Wikipedia at most, and began making the movie without going into the actual details of a Neanderthal.
I don't understand. Why do they have 'Germanic' features? Germanic is an Indo-European language, meaning they are non-European... Wouldn't they resemble Basques? I thought Germanics being haplogroup i, are closer to Bosnians (Danubian Civilization), Neolithic Sardinia, Hittites... The video overall just seems very biased towards an agenda. With their support group in the comments cheering them on.
Such a sad story. Though in real life I think at the right place people would be delighted to see a life and breathing Neanderthal. They constantly focus see on William's weak points, his presumably lesser intellect, while his strengths were neglected. I think he would Excella in certain sports which required brute strength or survival mechanisms. But no, they judged him by his intelligence which gives the same obvious result as when you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree.
Actually its believed that the Neanderthals were equally smart or Even smarter than "humans" at the time, chanses are they got waddled down due to breeding with humans and the occational war wich would devestate their small communities, alongside excessively hostile wildlife twice as big if not bigger than our modern versions. War would be, devestating due to the humans usually having More People with More ranged capabilities as the neanderthal body was not believed to be suited for ranged combat due to biological differences in their shoulders and backs, More suited to direct combat rather than ranged as they were also More ressilient and likely stronger. Essentially, compared to humans they could have been smarter yes, stronger, deffinetly, More ressilient, probably, but they lacked the trowing arm and the numbers the humans had
@@Leto85 im very glad to be of assistance. Glad you enjoyed my little rant :P People dont usually have the patience to read a longer message like that, But on that note, care for another little fact? Its quite entertaining to think about.
@@Leto85 People often talk about how we humans killed off the neanderthals yes? Well technically that isnt true, im theory We are not humans, we are defined as humans yes but We technically arent, exept for Africa ofcourse, they consist of nearly pure ancient human DNA. but the majority of the world is actually a sub species of ancient human and neanderthal wich eventually turned into our modern definition of human. But We are infact genetically seperat from the ancient humans who fought and bred with the neanderthals. Modern human DNA in almost every part of the world exept Africa has a consistent 2-3% neanderthal DNA per person.
@@Kvitravn. I'm definitely not sarcastic here, but yes, so tell me. I find thee things very fascinating. But before you do - as you've made me quite curious - is this your hobby or profession? Because for it's an interest and I got the feeling you know more about this than I do, which I love! 😁
Barbara: I want to take care of my son Julian: He is not your son *Barbara proceeds to surrender William to Julian* *Julian proceeds to call William his son* WTF..
Technically, William is human. Under American laws, he’s just as human as the rest of us. In reality, he’d be treated just the same as everyone is in America. This is what they failed to show in this movie. His dad calling him a dumb brute to his peers… that was not only racist(true racism) but also just downright mean. Also like the others have stated, William wouldn’t have problem on tests and wouldn’t have a problem holding a pencil.
Enjoyed this movie short. There were a few things that could have made the film better . William could have due to his strength played professional sports . Neanderthals were much more powerfully built than homosapiens. Recent DNA evidence now shows how modern humans carry 3 -5% Neanderthal DNA. Mainly those of European and Asian descent. Modern humans therefore basically lived alongside our Neanderthal cousins. We basically due to our numbers. Modern humans bred with Neanderthals. As we modern humans if you're of European or Asian decent all have 3-5% Neanderthal DNA in us. So we all have a little William in us ❤️.
7:19 the framing of the father in a “cage” and his mother outside and free is so intentional. Will himself being partially caged is also a description of being a child under parents with strong opinions on their child’s future.
Unknown as there aren't multiple great examples of their babies/toddlers. In order to have data sets to predict an individual's actual appearance you need fairly large, known as true to what they are supposed to be, and complete (as possible). If you wish to know more about this subject look up forensic anthropology and what information is needed to be able to create an image that is true to life of a skull. Unfortunately to use homo sapien info on skull morphology on a Neanderthal subject would almost certainly end up with a badly skewed result. Lol it would be like using a lion's skull to try and figure out what a tiger looks like in life
Wasted potential. The dude is more durable with greater endurance than Homo sapiens. Would've had a great career making millions as a star athlete in the NFL, WWF, Professional body building then own a construction company, become a singer and then get into acting. It's what makes him happy and fulfilled, than what his "father" wants.
I felt like the dad was very poorly written to be a pseudo-villain. He speaks on one hand of the lack of intelligence on the part of Neanderthals and then talks about how humans could learn from neanderthals. He raises William or at least helps, so he's fully aware William is not a grunting brute with a lack of basic intelligence. I don't think the dad was bad. I think he was badly written. They wanted an antagonist to challenge the films themes and also wanted an archaic scientist who doesn't know what they're talking about. So they hamfisted it into the dad role. If he acted like that around others consistently he wouldn't have been in the situation to be a part of the story Any anthropologist in this decade could tell you that technologically, Humans and Neanderthals we're identical for their shared history, but that they were not the same. They were very closely related, close enough they could reproduce and have viable offspring. But to our current knowledge they were different enough to qualify as a separate species but same genus. Much like how lions and tigers can have viable offspring but are still distinct species.
I thought the premise was very unrealistic. An expert in the field such as William's father would the opposite of person portrayed. William's difficulty with pencils would be immediately recognized. It's a very contrived situation to drive a highly implausible drama.
The dad & mum should have been sued for cloning to begin with, the "authorities" should have given William a decent life, he was basically a guest in our world.
basically, neanderthals where pretty sophisticated in their thecnology, but not as aesthetics as homo sapiens: neanderthals where like engineers, homo sapiens more like artists or architects.
No need for cloning yall, my ex fiance took one of those mail in dna tests. It came back saying that she was more than 23% Neanderthal. She's almost a quarter cave woman.
A medical marvel then considering the majority of People only consist of 2-3% neanderthal DNA with Africa having near none consisting of mostly pure ancient human DNA with an approximation of 20% neanderthal DNA consisting to this Day overall.
@@Kvitravn. Yup she thought it was a joke, but she started crying after her dad read the results and got pissed off. Turns out he's the majority human in the family.
@@Tribudo oh dear, not a good look was It? Neanderthal DNA Is in near every humanoid on the planet but 23% is quite impressive. Could deffinetly use her to recreate the species.
@@Tribudo well technically a somewhat higher Neanderthal DNA count wouldent change much, but could deffinetly use her DNA to "clone" a neanderthal with a bit of purification and DNA manipulation.
I think the father , as a scientist has done one silly mistake here. By comparing two stone tools he concluded that Neanderthal are intelligent than human but early human not modern human .We are far intelligent than our ancestors. But William's gene belonged to the Neanderthal that coexisted with our ancestors. If Neanderthal would have existed till today, than may be it is possible that modern ones would have been more intelligent than us.( But it's my assumption). Assuming William will be intelligent than us is like comparing su-27 with f-15ex which is actually comparable to f-15c.
Makes me sad I've got a high amount of Neanderthal DNA. Meaning some of my ancestors were Neanderthals lots of people have this in common with me. This movie saddens me because if William was here we would reach out and say we love you and your family not dumb or a failure. I really feel Neanderthals weren't stupid
One point that bothers me is that the movie constantly says that humans believe that neanderthals were stupid and savage. We know from the size of their skull caveties that neanderthals had larger brains than modern humans. While this may not imply they were smarter (whales have larger brains than humans by volume), it doesn't mean they were any dumber than homosapians. As for the savage part, they were hunter gatherers like homosapian cavemen were. The main reason they went extinct and we didn't is because homosapians lived in larger groups so we usually outcompeted neanderthals for resources wherever both were found.
The underline narrative they are wanting to push is that mankind are nothing but animals without any true will of our own, but rather driven by instinct. If a Neanderthal were to be brought back today I suspect they could for example master the pencil.
A friend of mine (f) once admitted to me that she imagined her boyfriend as a caveman while they did it. Also a tiger. I'm going to leave that right here.
Humans didn't make art until they crossbred with neantherthals. You ask a child to give you art, they hand you symbols, not a picture, humans turn images into language, the language ability gets in the way of rendering an image . An artist actually sees an object and actually draws the object without letting language get in the way, neantherthals did art. Real art. Not symbols.
Fun fact, neanderthals were much more "masculine" than us, and how they could snap our arms with grip strength alone, they were much more vocal and powerful, they were arguably smarter than us too
I beg to differ, humans were able to outsmart them. Even though we have their DNA, if they were smarter and physically stronger, they would have existed above humans as a specie
The movie would have been a lot better if they showed William eating raw meat and vegetables, making some Neanderthal weapons and tools and then hunting Neanderthal way..and so on..
I read somewhere we all have a little Neanderthal DNA in us as we modern humans interbred with them and we became the dominant humans so we wiped out the Neanderthals but imagine if we did bring them back could we live alone side eachother or be at war with them
You are both correct but also ever so slightly mistaken, technically "We" didnt wipe out the neanderthals, in theory modern humanity is a sub species of human and neanderthal breeding, the only location on the planet with near pure ancient human DNA is Africa, where they either never had contact with neanderthals or they killed them all rather than breeding, due to biological difference betwen the two species humans were More adept at ranged warfare with better trowing capabilities wich Made them More profficient to kill their target before getting too close while the neanderthals were believed to be stronger and More ressilient overall but lacking the ability to Adequately use ranged Weapons due to differently shaped upper bodies, for example trown spears, the neanderthals also had a disadvantage with their numbers being significantly lower than ancient humans with much smaller communities. Humans were weak, so We banded together in big groups for safety, neanderthals were stronger and could easier protect themselves in smaller groups until the humans came with trowing weapons. Approximately 20% of Neanderthal DNA is still persistent today with the majority of the human population consisting of about 2-3% neanderthal DNA per person, exept Africa ofcourse.
This movies film history About genetic engineers. Any living thing can be altered by evolution through DNA engineering. It has been like this since ancient times.
This story could've turned out a lot different if they put William in sports instead of concentrating on academics.
There's some theories, that William would be not only a star of American Football(despite being smoll), wrestling, weightlifting but also of "inflexible" disciplines not requiring excessive creativity. I treat those theories with suspicion(as they can flip any moment with new data), as several inventions of Neandertals were replicaed by Humans only around 40 000 years after their demise eg matches. You dont invent those with inflexible mind, in my opinion.
yeah but realistically there would probably be issues as he's literally a different species. it's like having an Ape participating in sports against humans
Exactly
@@catwoman3247 even better make him sex reasigment surgery and he would anihilate any other M2F athelete
Unfortunately happens to most kids our day and age as well.
I watched this movie. The father is a Narcissist and was so jealous and insecure that he didn't get as much attention as his Neanderthal son did, that he destroyed his relationship with his wife and his son. It was sad to see the ending that the Neanderthal has more humanity in him than his father and most human beings he was interacting with.
Well, William got the last laugh. His “Dad” had to find out his “son” cucked him. Or did the dude die when William smacked him?
Don’t forget his dad girlfriend he ended up making a baby with or maybe not his but the baby do look like him
Neanderthals were human, and most of us carry a small percentage of Neanderthal genes today.
What are you talking about - they WERE human, and still are : in us, and he was just a simple person like everyone but writting about this humanity it looks just like you think he was separate.. kinda like his father and others in the movie. I'm sorry if you just put your thoughts in bad words and didn't mean that but I just had to write this, because this subject was/is very important by moral means.
@@liwkaosmaek9874 i suppose it could depend on one's definition of "human", but I'd say Neanderthals weren't humans. Humans are Homo Sapiens whereas Neanderthals are another species entirely
That dad managed to screw up his relation with his son 3 times in a row after doing the same thing with his wife the dude doesnt learn from his mistakes its so annoying
Top tier horrible dad honestly
Agree but as bad as the dad is, this movie's realistic... because when narcissists screw up, they usually hit the repeat button
He is a narcissist ego-driven fool!
For a Professor, he sure acts very stupid.
@@johngibson2884 Narcissists are psychologically incapable of a accepting they're wrong. He views William as an extension of himself, his own failure. It's clear he resents him.
It is said that a living Neanderthal would probably have a voice very different from a modern human. Their vocal chords make scientists think that Neanderthals could pronounce some of the sounds we can’t and couldn’t pronounce some sounds that we can.
thats pretty intersting makes me wonder what the neanderthals language was like
@@NotSandhorst Probably a bit similar to ancient Inuits who practice throat singing, and who by the way have larger amount of Neanderthal genes .
Inuits also evolved in the cold like Neanderthals did, with stocky body and short legs, dark red skin.
Neanderthal mostlikely couldn't have been white skin because they were meat eaters and hunter gatherers, blonde hair and white skin is a much younger mutation that came with wheat agriculture and much warmer weather from the steps of the dark brown reddish from the Indian subcontinent to Europe.
No one is really sure why the red hair didn't happened in other parts of the world, but it could be because of a common shared cave environment in the pontic region North of middle East, with its cloudy, mountainous and many caves who served as shelter to Neanderthal and later human who dwelled in those dark caves to survive the elements and dangerous animals.
@@rebecavillanova7622 white people and Asians carry this same gene
@@rebecavillanova7622 that's literally wrong... lmfao
Caucasians and Asians have the most Neanderthal DNA and Africans have relatively no Neanderthal DNA.. do you just say things without knowing what you're talking about?
@@Gatsu_Gambino I went back to read my last comment twice and I still haven't found where I did mentioned something about Africans and Neanderthal.
Do you know what is a Inuit? They live in Northern Canada and they have relatives in Russia's Siberia, even Finland. I believe that they are categorised as east Asians, not African.
And yes they tend to be a bit brown, that's because they of vitamin D rich fishery.
Seems like a very nice movie that you'd normally never see if it wasn't for this channel. Thanks.
I swear people will make a movie about anything
What is the name of the movie?
Who the fuck tells their child that it was a failure, a caveman, a freak in a sense. Brings me back to a quote I read a while back:
"All children deserve parents, but not all parents deserve children."
You will be suprised... I have seen a father call his son exactly those things.
sadly for many children their first bullies are their parents.
@@Storm-uq8qz 🥲
Similar to another quote i've heard _"While your children may come from you, they do not belong to you. And while they may carry your hopes and dreams, they do not owe you to carry your burdens."_
You know, it isn't possible to be a perfect parent all the time... And there is a difference between a bully and a frustrated parent who loves their kid and wants to correct their behaviour in order to nurture them into their best potential selves.
I had lax parents but resented not being pushed more into something constructive... This doesn't result in me pushing my kids into anything, but it highlights how easy it is to get at least part of it wrong in the kids eyes, and it has lead me to be sure to mould my kids into someone that people and myself can like.
It's very possible to love your kids and yet also not like them, so you don't ever want to be in that position as a parent, and simultaneously you also want them to like you too and love you of course.
Your kids need to be able to come to you when they need you, but they also need someone who loves them to be the one who punishes them but with understanding and well-being in mind! Ultimately you only want the kid to be sorry enough so they learn and don't hurt someone or themselves again, essentially it revolves around that! And as a Father it becomes your job to teach your children about responsibility and therefore empathy for others! That doesn't mean you don't show empathy too though!
I can't tell you how many regrets I have as a Father, but I can tell you I love my boys with all my heart and if anything makes me tick, its my Family!
And Father that truly is a Bully, has set himself up a bad hand and I'll explain why...
Remember Red on that 70s show?
Well I thought (with my eldest son) that what was missing from boys upbringings was a more stern father... essentially a hardass dad... I look back on how fvcking stupid that was now with extreme feelings of pain and regret deep in my heart that I cannot express! I am so glad I realised the error of my ways and didn't dig my heals in however just to protect my own ego!
I needed to accept I was wrong in some ways, and have spent the years ever since making it upto my Son! I didn't abuse him, but I WAS much more quick to discipline and much less prone to patience also as I am now with my youngest! I was gentle and loving with both boys and especially as babies... but with the second boy, I have learned from regrets I have and as a result, I parent them both differently now!
The best advice I can give any parent is be patient! Let them try things out... so what if you were just trying to water the lawn with the little time you have, and dont want to be interrupted just so the kid can have a play with the hose, that is what being a Dad is ALL about! Instead, cherish that moment!! It wont last and it WILL fly by like nothing! And you dont get to do it ever again! I'm telling you, dont be like me and realize one day, that your son today at 3 years of age, just got what you were trying to tell him for the last year, and for the last year you were getting frustrated that "you'd told him before"!
Who is the idiot? The kid who was 2 going on 3, or adult for thinking there was a point in repeating himself?
You won't fully understand what a 2 year old can understand yet or a 3 year old, so instead of thinking "you should know this" be prepared to let them show you as they go, what they know! Give them time! Not for ever, some things do need a push along, but he patient!
Be loving, and teach them to take responsibility...
Do it all in their best interests, and you'll make it through Fatherhood without wondering if you're a bully to your own son.
The man who gets it wrong will he left with two choices, either dig in them heals, ruining the relationship even more, and the development of your child believing you had it right, or to face the consequences of regret out of genuine love and care for their children.
If you decided that a pinch of hardassness was tough love well I am warning you now! It gonna be much tougher on you for years to come if you're not a complete narcissist
The decision to put the college professor who deals with Neanderthals in his class defining them as stupid brutes in at the beginning of the 00's (the period in which I imagine the experiment with William would have taken place) is quite strange.
Even popular science channels, as Discovery or Natural Geographic, already spoke of Neanderthals as a very intelligent species with complex social interactions in the 90s.
I agree that scene in the classroom where William confronts his "father" made no sense whatsoever. Plus, you would have to ask yourself, why would the guy put so much time and effort into cloning a Neanderthal if that was his opinion of them? Unless the language he used in his lecture was the result of his disappointment with William. But still, you really have to hate the dad character.
@@badbiker666 yes, if he had grown to hate Neanderthals after the experiment, but if I understood the review correctly, from the very beginning he would have considered them stupid.
@@fmac6441 they were not a different species. They could breed with us and produce healthy offspring
I can easily see that as him projecting his own resentment of his son into his work. This dude is one that worships academic brilliance, so the fact his son is not a genius makes him really resentuful.
If William had had a father that was, say, a mechanic, or a farmer, he would have lived a live pretty indistinghisable from other people.
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl Speciation is a delicate and nuanced topic, especially with regard to closely related groups of animals. I'm not a biologist, much less a cladist, but as far as I know they are currently considered distinct species, but for me there would be no problem in considering them the same species, precisely because of the point you raised.
A decent concept, but poorly executed. The rejection William feels from both his peers and his father are supposed to represent the rejection some people feel when they are "othered" or ostracized and unfairly maligned for traits they didn't choose. The problem is, if anyone should know that Neanderthals were intelligent beings with their own culture, it would be his dad. The researcher who studies Neanderthals should know this, but because it's his dad (someone who should love him) the writer made him uncharacteristically cruel to drive home the plot of feeling rejected. That's what happens with you're a writer who comes up with great ideas but is unable to put them on paper without relying on old tropes.
The "father" just wanted the scientific breakthrough. And remember, it's just a movie. As fiction/entertainment, it doesn't have to fit our reality.
But it should fit our reality because of the concept! This movie is a remake of an old movie called ICEMAN I believe? But like all modern remakes they take and ruin good movies with edited storylines and garbage plot twists! Which is exactly why they all fail and we only know about them from UA-cam channels like this ! But who knows Maybe someone is inspired to do an actual movie or novel that truly captures the essence of this topic and it becomes a masterpiece or they just study anthropology and our primitive ancestors are thrust back into the limelight 😊
I’ll say this much, the comments above are both right
It’s entertainment and as a film it needs to make things interesting, but also the film explores what this would be like
And sadly the film falls into our notions of “clumsy dumb brute” which it is also trying to say isn’t happening and that is for the concept they try to explore is disappointing to a lot of people I believe this film was trying to reach out to
Instead of him failing stuff due to incompetence, let him choose to not invest anymore than he has into subjects his father pushes him into
And don’t make him a full blown gene scientist but a historian who has his biases, instead of a man who apparently focuses on Neanderthals and should comprehend that they were more than what he has said
I’m not saying the film itself is bad, because it’s not
I feel for William especially as someone with autism and who has struggled in the same fields he does
I think it would have been good to let him be able to succeed in the maths and the sciences but let him be more interested in culture and art
Have his mother(already married to the professor) be a willing donor and let him learn art and culture from her, let him be more than a list of stereotypes that the writers sadly fall into
The film isn’t bad by any means and I don’t discredit the writers or the rest of the cast and crew by any means
It just falls short and misses a few shots that could have made it great, especially since I do love his design and the concept itself especially as a history nerd
My opinion after watching this movie a few times is that his father was determined to prove William was smarter than homo sapiens and as William grew and showed he wasnt necessarily smarter, but thought in a different way, it made his father mad. He continues to try to force William to think like a homosapien when William doesn't. So by the end, his father calls him stupid because William isn't what HE wanted William to be instead of accepting William for who he was. Then you add his fathers narcissistic behavior and jealousy. That was what my impression was. Vs his mother loved William no matter what, even if he worked a meaningless job. His father expected and demanded William prove to the world that he was essentially a genius and could learn anything when that's not true for homosapiens either. We all have our strengths and weaknesses and his father couldn't accept Williams.
I have a hard time believing anyone would act the way these people did in this movie.
No scientist would act or say things these actors say.
That is possibly the real reason that Homo sapiens is the dominant Hominid on Earth. We reject The Other, if they "write in the wrong direction," venerate ancestors at household altars, and speak a different language. Add "skin deep" differences, and wiping out the Neaderthals is SOP.
I know right just like the soviets trying to make chimpanzee human hybrids for strong soldiers this movie is whack
I don’t. People treat other people like shit over the unsubstantiated concept of ‘race’. Imagine what they would do to a CONFIRMED other species of human.
Religious people would lose their fucking minds too.
@@vanthdreadstar8788 the percentage of people who would actually do that are also a-holes from the start, and obviously not the majority. It's a narrative not substantiated by facts.
I vividly remember a conversation I once had with my grandfather (may he rest in peace). I was maybe 10 or 11 years old. My mind was all about Jurassic Park and dinosaurs. Back then, the South Koreans were making major headlines for being in the planning stages of bringing back mammoths. That got me and my sci-fi filled childish mind going crazy over the idea of bringing back other prehistoric lifeforms. And I remember my grandfather saying "If someone managed to pull something like that off, all we would get would be the loneliest creature in the world."
why? bc they couldn't duplicate another?
@@blacknbougie8021 cause there'd be nothing like it.
No offense…. But your grandad wasn’t exactly a thinkin man was he…..
@@ViktoriousDead he was very wise and smart. Back when he was a young man, the university of Leipzig offered him a full scholarship. He had to decline the offer due to family issues, since this was right after the second world war, and the area he grew up got it pretty bad. He was very smart. He just didn't get the education his mind needed to fully flourish.
@@ViktoriousDead he might not have had a full education, but that kind of thinking he displayed shows just how smart and empathetic he was.
Neanderthals were considered to be simple and brutish until quite recently. However, I have read that evidence has been discovered that indicates that they may have a very sophisticated culture. Cave paintings, jewelry, and burial rites that were previously identified as belonging to Homo Sapiens have been re-dated to Neanderthal times. Plus, they were originally believed to have died out, probably due to competition from more evolved Homo Sapiens. But VERY recently Neanderthal (and Denisovan) DNA have been identified in some modern humans. This indicates that they didn't exactly disappear, but merged with us.
The only real problem I have with this movie is something the filmmakers have no control over. They only have access to Homo Sapiens actors. The Neanderthal skull was shaped differently from ours. They had a differently shaped lower jaw and their brain was also shaped different. That actor playing William did an awesome job. But the fundamental differences between the two body types extend to more than you can mimic with makeup effects. On the other hand, no real evidence has been discovered that indicate that Neanderthals weren't as "smart" as Homo Sapiens. They were around for a very long time. As a result, I would assume that they were just as capable as we are using language, doing math, and adapting to life in the 21st century.
When you look into the past with Neanderthals, Denisovans, or other bipedal hominids you realize that their is a Caveman version of Star Trek that happened before our current awareness. Like the Klingons with their craggy forheads, and the Romulans with their spoon shaped foreheads etc. Also what species of organism doesn't have cousin versions of it's self? Like if you look into timberwolves/wolves/coyotes/foxes etc. 4 leggeds with very similar function but a switch up of temperment, intelligence, and anatomical densities.
It really gets into Frazetta paintings with the multi figure brawls of differing hominids as well.
Though they couldn’t talk due to the formation of their jaw. Doesn’t mean they didn’t have language just not the same way we do. They may have been more likely to use sign language and other forms of communication
@@te9591 I just read last night that a 60,000 flute made from the leg bone of a cave bear was discovered in an area where only Neanderthal remains have been found. Fascinating stuff to read.
@@badbiker666 making music shows great intelligence. also in addition to your point on hominds breeding and merging into human stock, it makes me wonder what early "humans" looked like before the merger? Would they be smaller, less muscular, slightly more elongated, and less hairy?
Neanderthals were just as sophisticated and as smart as humans, just stronger and more resilient. Yet their physical strength is what would lead to their downfall, and eventual assimilation into homosapiens. They were so strong they never needed to invent things like ranged weapons, and they never created large tribes with hundreds of people in them. So in the event of a war between humans and neanderthals, the humans would win through sheer numbers and with ranged weapons. Ranged weapons also allowed us to become more efficient when it came to gathering food, especially if food became scarce.
That seems...unlikely. Neanderthal were highly intelligent, but not in the same way than our branch. Once they found a satisfying solution, they kept it. Until they REALLY need another one. There is a possibility that some autistic traits comes from our neanderthal heritage. They were expert craftsmen, and holding a pencil shouldn't be a problem to them.
They also were extraordinary strong ang agile. The 'clone' should be olympic level at an early age...
It's unlikely, yes. It's a movie, after all.
Well it's a modern movie so they have to get in their "Humans bad/stupid but hey look at [x species] they're so enlightened and connected to nature/spirituality!"
strong and agile in upper part of yhe body sense, they would have trouble doing marathon or marching
@@alaric_3015 ? Outdated data. The remain we found shows that they were apex predators, gifted hunters able to follow they prey, know their weaknesses well, spear them down ..or wrestle them down.
@@hoteldumort3852 running too, or by doing persistent hunting only? the context is human-centric foot-based sport, like sprinting, marathon, and anything running based, you might got it right on the marching part, although im not sure about the source overall still
Who's brutal, savage and cruel?
His dad.
Exactly.
You know what he should have done? He should have travelled to a place maybe like Greenland, or Norway, and lived with tribes like the Inuit or Sami. Away from civilization, helping them hunt and fish and survive day to day. I'm sure they would have loved to have someone of his strength helping them out and he might not be able to do every single thing that they can do with his hands but he could have had his role in the tribe that they all respected.
yeah
The Sami lmao? Yeah, nothing like going away from civilization than joining a bunch of people hoarding reindeers with helicopters that live in regular 1st world standard houses.
@@VG_164 okay so Inuit then. And yes Inuit live in houses too.
Neanderthals are known for very skillful stone knapping of tools, so it does not make sense that William would be unintelligent or clumsy with small objects like pencils. Their burial practices suggest care for the elderly and a spiritual life.
In fact, Neanderthals and Sapiens were contemporaneous for a while, and most modern humans have Neanderthal DNA. It appears that Neanderthals were absorbed into the larger Sapiens population, not going extinct in the ordinary sense.
So, I'll watch this movie if I can, but I'm not expecting to be impressed.
These things you list aren't genetic traits but however the ability to do so are . For example, if homo sapiens were to be raised by its successors, it wouldn't be possible for us to speak any language without the necessary Preconditioning.
its probably to do with neural patterns, sure we find a pencil easy to use but that's not to say a Neanderthal would find it as easy to learn these little homo sapiens traits
Neanderthals were sewing clothes with tiny, self-made bone needles. Having him break the pencil is ridiculous.
No, they didn't merge with humans. By the time Humans even met Neanderthals, most of them died off. Also the fact that more people have blue eyes (and even more people carry the blue eyes gene) just shows we didn't breed with Neanderthals all that much. Neanderthals became extinct 40,000 years ago. The blue eye gene first appeared somewhere between 6,000-10,000 years ago. Neanderthals were dying off well before we met them. We just met them at the end of their lives
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They have found that Neanderthal genes contained around 7% homo sapien dna BEFORE they reconnected with homo sapiens again toward the end of their existence. Interesting, right? As a side note, Neanderthals also mated with Denisovans too.
What kind of Neanderthal specialist would call them "stupid brutes"? That's actually the most unrealistic part of the movie 😂
Shoulda focused on him in sports or selling car insirance, he’d be godlike
Or, once his agressive responses were provoked, killed some people.
@@alexsolomon7991 Some people are stronger than others. That´s natural. Men are naturally stronger than women, but that doesnt mean they cant coexist.
@@presidenttogekiss635 true...but some people just don't have the right temperment for sports/combat. I'm basing all of this off of a recap..i haven't actually SEEN the movie...but a lot was made about how neurodivergant this kid was. (a term i don't normally like, as it gets overused, but in this case is likely accurate) One example in fiction you could use is Hodor from Game of Thrones.. Apparently the strongest character this side of the Mountain...but he jsut didn't have the temperment for combat. Or, for that matter, the Mountain himself..who DID have the inclination for combat but was psychoticaly dangerous...remember the tournament scene, and what was supposed to be a freindly joust? Granted, both of these characters are depicted as having some sort of brain damage, but the comparison still holds true, i think.
Lol I got so annoyed when they said he couldn’t speak English. Dude was born in the modern world and has lived around English speakers his whole life
Exactly lol. The dad was a clueless weirdo who thrived off of making fun of his son in front of his class.
...or a Lawyer
I call BULLSHIT on two aspects of this movie. First of all, the Powers That Be would NOT allow this one couple to raise and study him alone. He would have been taken by the State and poked, prodded, and studied until adulthood...probably in the most humane way possible, since the public was watching. Second of all, this kid would have grown up a celebrity, with the whole world fascinated by his mere existence. Most kids would have thought he was cool as Hell and would have wanted to be his best friend...so bullying would have been a rare problem, if at all. Cool concept, but very unrealistic execution.
Exactly!! The Neanderthal kid would obviously have his problems, but he would be one of the most famous people on the planet.
That's why it's a movie
That is not how kids work he would've definitely been a target as a child.
Yes the movie is bullshit but so are your reasonings. Don't try to act smart when you don't really know why something is wrong 🙄
Also a third, a homo sapiens can not carry a neanderthal. It's like a donkey giving birth to a horse.
@@moonbeeps That isn’t true. We carry neanderthal genes
It beats me why scientists would even want to do a selfish thing like this to begin with. They're not even thinking about the quality of life this person would have.
this is tame, even kind or possibly loving in comparison to thing scientists have done. you don't think early medical researchs just waited for enough patients to study, they would make patients to study.
There are no morals in Science.
Well, realistically, this is a big:
NO NO NO NO NO
in terms of ethics. Neanderthals are essentially human, so cloning would be out of the picture. There are guidelines on what scientists are and are not allowed to do.
The ends justify the means who cares if a few die if we can save thousands-some random scientists probably
What I find interesting about this is that everyone tried to categorize William as a brute and savage, but ended up displaying more of those traits than him.
That dad is less intelligent than the Neanderthal. A Neanderthal doesn’t make a mistake twice but that father keeps making them. But interesting movie to watch. Definitely going to watch it.
Dudes a scientist and yet doesn’t comprehend how raising a child harshly and treating them poorly will only stunt their growth in all things that matter
Hes close enough to a human that he deserves to be treated like one. He basically is one, yet all he does is treat him like shit
That would enrage me to the point I probably can't even watch this movie
Cops sure treated him like he was subhuman. Killed him unharmed. But we are supposed Tobe the 'modern, advanced' ones.
DEADASS tho
The man just wanted a normal life, and that jerk wanted him to be a lab rat, an experiment. I feel this movie has a lot to teach people nowadays
So wait.....
He has used a pencil for all of his schooling AND tutoring, over the years, without issue. Then when its college exam time the breaking of the pencil lead is the catalyst for the events and emotions leading up to his murder?? That seems like a very long stretch..... but it IS a movie about a living neanderthal so I cant be too critical lolol
I have not seen this movie, so I can only speculate; maybe the breaking of the pencil, twice and during something as crucial as a college entrance exam, is meant to underscore his nervousness. Simplistic I know, but it is common enough when we are under stress.
Technically Neanderthal DNA is still in near every human on the planet. So modern humanity is in theory not humans, we are a mixed breed betwen ancient humans and Neanderthals. Though the neanderthal DNA has been rather washed down.
Approximately 20% of Neanderthal DNA is still persistent in humanity. Though each individual person usually have No More than 2-3% neanderthal DNA. Ofcourse with the exeption of Africa wich is believed to have the purest concentration of ancient human DNA with very little to no Neanderthal DNA mixed in, what Does this tell us? That ancient Africa either never ran into the Neanderthals of they wiped them out rather than breed with them.
Yeah they should of rewrote to focus more on his scores than his ability to hold a pencil that seemed off.
Usually college has assistance for people who cant use a pencil in some cases disabled people. William could have request for assistance or attend a separate testing session.
@@evanjb92 yeah true. I guess the only realistic part in this movie is American police shooting innocent people.
It's funny to me . All of these "recreations", and we still have no clue what they really looked like.
My bet is they had brown hair and brown eyes like Eskimos , given the similar environment. Interesting movie though, if somewhat unscientific.
Reminds me of the 1984 Iceman, but instead of cloning they unintentionally revived a Neanderthal and try to understand him, some similar ideas come up in this movie like studying his adaptability, his DNA, and hoping that they can figure out how he survived the freezing process to apply to modern people.
Encino man was a more scientifically accurate movie
@@themosinguy6508 I think 'Altered States" (1980) would be closer to reality..
If we managed to clone neatherdals I would personally want to see them paint. Like I want to see their perspective on the world and that's exactly what painting does
I’ve seen Neanderthals paint many times before, they’re called contractors and shop at Home Depot 😂
@@philiptucker7590 alright, that one's pretty good, not gonna lie.
As they probably see in low light condition (like deers and cat), it would be VERY interesting.
Their perspective would probably be like ours since we got all these new technologies and advancements that could potentially increase their life spans like it did with humans.
Just take a picture dude
Why is it in movies people always make fun of people with a messed up face, in real life people just avoid eye contact or act nice cause who care what people look like. Most adults are like this inside their head when they see a not so normal face, "now did I by milk?...hmm that man has a burned face...ouch...ah yes, I did buy milk today." Continues on with life.
The amount of anger I have for that father is unmeasurable
"Look an unarmed young man is walking slowly towards us! Dude to the circumstances unfolding before us, we could rush him to the ground but no thats too dangerous for us to do and tasering might seriously do harm him, witch means we have no other option to do but to open fire! " (war cry)
I never got why the f*ck do you stick with your outdated constitution like it was thought something like this:
“Ok we should make it a law that all able bodied white man who own property should be allowed to vote and own guns to defend himself and his property. This should curb slave riots and help them survive in our savage colonial lands”
And modern people still think they need guns. If you reduce the amount of weapons by 100-1000 times you would reduce the chances for their use in violent crime, reduce policeman/ civilian casulties to low and generally live in much safer country.
Modern people do not need to use weapons. Like with your amount of weapons per household I do not know how people are not shooting life bullets during riots. It is not far from burning stores and demolishing statues.
#USA
God bless 'Merica
That's 'Merica. Kill first then ask questions later.
Could have just shot him in the leg if they really needed to shoot him.
I've met one dude with features of a Neanderthal in the military he was short and looked a bit wierd but was strong and very smart his gt score alone was a 132 with most normal people in the military being around the 95 range so I don't know how accurate science is about then not being smart they adapted and lived in a harsh environment and didn't have the technology we have today if they did I think they would've already made starwars a reality.
The kid William is the most normal looking kid ive seen. They didn't even do anything except enlarge a few of his facial features using CGI. I don't think a child like that would ever be bullied, he looks perfectly normal.
It's most likely makeup, using CG in every shot is too expensive
It's a little naive to think a kid that looks like that wouldn't get bullied. Kids can be incredibly mean and bully for much more minor reasons.
No he doesn't
Its a movie, have a little imagination
No he doesn't look normal.
The fact the other students didn’t see William defending himself is shocking and makes me so angry…
This sounds like yet another attempt at science fiction produced by someone who is more influenced by common tropes than actual science. Most experts now think that Neanderthals didn't deviate enough from the human norm in appearance to stand out in a crowd. This concept that they were 'brutal' is out there with the idea of 'primitive savages'. He would probably fall within the normal human range for intelligence and any brutality is likely to have been nurture rather than nature related. He probably would have had the fine motor skills to handle a pencil as well. The writers would have done a better job if they hadn't picked Neanderthals as their subject and had rather gone for something like an alien or a folkloric monster. Alternatively, they could have gone further back in human development. Most of the people in my part of the world are descended from Neanderthals so, from a modern evolutionary point of view we *are* Neanderthals (as well as monkeys, but we don't talk about that). As a modern Neanderthal descendant, I consider this movie poorly realised ;)
Oh, they would absolutely stand out, not only physically. As different populations of H.Sapiens are pretty homogenous (but still distinct enough to be classified as different sub and full species, if we went with standard applied to virtually all other creatures) there are still marked differences not only in intelligence but also in how it is expressed - neuroses, psychoses, various -pathies, addiction behaviours are more common in certain populations than in others. And at least some of that is directly proven to come from Neandertals, and presumably, other sister-species.
@@neuswabian9442 they aren't different species they can breed with us and produce healthy offspring
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl just like coyotes and wolves, bison and cow(European bison is a whole new species made by crossing ancient steppe bison x aurochs), different kinds of deers and so on and so on... It happens readily in nature, there's a treshold it results in infertile offspring (like mules) but then, some rare mules are indeed fertile. It's just more advanced than high school biology that eg ignores gingers in dominant/recessive heredity. Human racemixing follows numerous laws of hybrids/speciation eg be it birth gender ratios, higher ratio of miscarriage or even something so mundane as not being able to recieve transplants from either of parents, but fellow similar hybrids
@@neuswabian9442 my point still stands. They aren't different enough for them to be considered a different species
@@MohamedRamadan-qi4hl yet they are and you are wrong. reproducing and creating a fertile offspring doesnt make its parents same species. it is a useful rule of thumb that works most of the time but it is not universal and an incredible generalisation, like "birds are animals that fly" - then you have bats, gliders, humans(lol), insects and a multitude of birds that DO NOT fly.
The ending is disappointing, I feel like it's unnecessarily cruel, just for the sake of shock value.
Exactly. The Neanderthal had a place in this world, just like everyone else.
I agree. There was no reason to kill William off.
I agree as well
This is such an interesting premise, wish they could make a better story out of it, even a series to explore the idea of bringing Neanderthals back as a species.
Technically both humans and Neanderthals died out all that time ago, difference being the offspring of human and neanderthal relations survived to evolve into what We refer to as modern humanity, part ancient human part neanderthal, though the neanderthal bit is significantly lower it is there. Particularly in european countries neanderthal DNA can be found while Africa and the East consist of purer ancient Human DNA. Far as i know anyway.
👍I agree.
Dad to Mom: He is not your son.
Son to Dad: I am not your son.
Dad: *suprised pikachu face*
She carried his fetus for 9 months - in my opinion, she is his mother figure, even if not biologically the same subspecies.
The whole thing about Sarah and William is kind of disturbing 😅.
Ikr and no one is talking about it
@@ArkoKundu I was wondering too 😅
It's kind of strange that Wiliam would want to go back to 'his age' when he meets with the hippies. A more interesting direction would be for him to see the modern day as 'his age' since he was born in it and not really any different beyond genetics. If anything, I think it would be interesting if he wanted to see others like him or expressed that no one quite understands how he doesn't understand the difference between Neandethals and Homo Sapiens.
I sort of disagree. I thought so too for a second, and his friend laughed it off saying “he’s not a time travel.” And in that sense, yes, he is just as much a modern day human as us. But then he isn’t. He is a clone from a society and species long dead. The utter loneliness and sense of displacement he feels is what he is speaking to. He wants to be in a world where he is not the only one. That is why he says he wants to go back. He wants to go back to a world where he isn’t the only one.
Now how much of that is genetics or his upbringing? In fact the movie fails a bit on this question quite often. He didn’t have a normal early childhood development in the lab. No socialization with other children until he was like what, 5? And with a narcissist “dad” at that? And he grew up aware he was a clone and a Neanderthal and therefore different. He had a sense of his difference. How much did all of that colour his experience and sense of displacement? I would hazard a guess quite a bit. The movie implies it is genetics… because even for the characters that is an easy move to make. But there is a reason the movie also resists that narrative. In reality there is no way to really break that down. He is a singular individual with very unique set of genes belonging to a an extinct species, with a terrible upbringing, living in a prejudiced society with. A strong sense he doesn’t belong (both because he is neurodivergent AND because his dad never accepted him). Of course he wants to go back.
If it was any other country a team of cops would not have shot and killed a man with a rock.
The rest of the world will catch up in the next 100 years 😂
@@paulyoung6070 not it wont lmao
That shit wouldn't happen in the US either. Campus police aren't even going to have guns in the first place, but even if they were regular street cops, they'd use a taser to subdue him. A half dozen cops aren't going to open fire on an unarmed college kid - especially a media spectacle like a "cloned neanderthal" - just because he walked toward them when they said "stop".
Unless the film shows them tasing him to no effect and then him cracking a few of their skulls with the rock, it's utterly ridiculous to depict them just gunning the kid down in that situation.
@@keiichi8191 what if he was black tho
@@OliverFlinn If he was black, the same thing would be true. Stop getting your impression of the world from Hollywood movies and sensationalist media.
The “father” was the true Neanderthal here.
Neanderthal is not an insult
@@uyoebyik I can't believe we're having this conversation lmao
As a Neanderthal myself, I take offense to this comment
To me, he appears to be much calmer, with no desire to achieve something that is not necessary. We modern humans created such a complex society to live in that we no longer live.
I'm wondering if we're the stupid ones in here, and the other species are just smiling at us as we keep trying to create things we don't really need in life. Whereas other species simply accept reality and try to live and exist.
Or maybe we're ( modern humans lol)from another planet, and we don't even belong here.
This. Oh my God, this. We have created a make-believe world for ourselves, and we immediately start criticizing anyone who doesn't want to live up to the standards of the modern human.
Your comment, right here? It is so, so accurate.
And that's why those other species are extinct and they hunt everyday for food while getting injured with no food to eat and dying mercilessly
@@shashankdixit8949
Is that wrong?
@@averongodoffire8098 not necessarily, but overhunting and overfishing does cause the mass death of animals and sources of food, it's one thing to make enough food for many to eat, it's another to destroy the environment for an inefficient meat industry
He just wanted to live in the woods and have a family.
I watched this movie today. I have never seen a movie that is so bad but good at the same time.
The Neanderthal saying, "I have been forced into a less advantageous habitat by my superiors," is possibly the best line I have ever heard in a movie.
Don't get me wrong- everyone's acting is shit, except maybe the Neanderthal's- but you should still give it a watch.
Like I said, I have never seen a movie that is so bad, that it is so good.
I believe my husband has some
neanderthal dna he is robust incredibly intelligent and has a pronounced brow bone as well as the top of his apex meeting at a sharp and pronounced line. He is very hardy and also has predominantly Norwegian bloodline (genetic testing was done).
In the future hopefully with more data we will be able to understand even more. The old thoughts that Neanderthals were “stupid” and “brutish” is archaic and incorrect.
Pretty much all non-African populations, especially people with East Asian ancestry followed by Europeans, have neanderthal dna so.
This is one of the funniest comments I have ever seen!
Pics of your hubby, or it didn’t happen.
😂😂😂
Having neanderthal DNA does not mean at all that he would be a good example of neanderthal characteristics. It has been THOUSANDS OF YEARS, the DNA left in him would be even less influential than being 1% Norwegian.
People writing them off as brutish completely forget that we have their dna in our bones so clearly something was attractive about them because Pure Brutish Animal personality doesn’t keep a lover long term
So true, haha 😂
The adults in key roles in this story seem to be psychologically and pedagogically illiterate and lacking empathy.
Neanderthals could make common children with Homo sapiens - they did (we know this from genetic studies) and these children were not infertile later. This is the most probable explanation of how Neanderthals became extinct: they could simply be assimilated genetically into the species of Homo sapiens. And as Homo sapiens population was orders of magnitudes larger they vanished as a distinct species. Thus, most or all of us probably have some Neanderthal genes (and ancestors), too.
Neanderthals were born with teeth and they reached adult biological maturity by the age of 14 (not like Homo spaines by the age of 18).
The nurses' reactions @2:13 though! 😆😂
Hah! A newborn baby with thick eyebrows! 2:20
Neanderbrow
Their portrayal was visually flawed, but steps could have been made to improve it. First, the actor was too tall. Someone shorter ought to have been cast. Second, all of the prosthetics were placed on the front of the face. That back of the head should have been elongated a bit with silicone. The torso ought also to have been modified through additional prosthetics. Slapping a heavy brow on someone does not make them look like a Neanderthal.
I might add that if the clips of dialogue shown here was characteristic of the rest of the film, the script was in need of a rewrite. Because that dialogue was what you might write during a first draft. A script so poor and a depiction of Neanderthals so avoidably inaccurate does not deserve whatever emotional reactions it evokes.
So true! I feel like they got their description of a Neanderthal from Wikipedia at most, and began making the movie without going into the actual details of a Neanderthal.
I don't understand. Why do they have 'Germanic' features? Germanic is an Indo-European language, meaning they are non-European... Wouldn't they resemble Basques?
I thought Germanics being haplogroup i, are closer to Bosnians (Danubian Civilization), Neolithic Sardinia, Hittites...
The video overall just seems very biased towards an agenda. With their support group in the comments cheering them on.
Such a sad story. Though in real life I think at the right place people would be delighted to see a life and breathing Neanderthal.
They constantly focus see on William's weak points, his presumably lesser intellect, while his strengths were neglected. I think he would Excella in certain sports which required brute strength or survival mechanisms. But no, they judged him by his intelligence which gives the same obvious result as when you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree.
Actually its believed that the Neanderthals were equally smart or Even smarter than "humans" at the time, chanses are they got waddled down due to breeding with humans and the occational war wich would devestate their small communities, alongside excessively hostile wildlife twice as big if not bigger than our modern versions. War would be, devestating due to the humans usually having More People with More ranged capabilities as the neanderthal body was not believed to be suited for ranged combat due to biological differences in their shoulders and backs, More suited to direct combat rather than ranged as they were also More ressilient and likely stronger. Essentially, compared to humans they could have been smarter yes, stronger, deffinetly, More ressilient, probably, but they lacked the trowing arm and the numbers the humans had
@@Kvitravn. Thank you for typing that down for me. It sure is an interesting hypothesis.
@@Leto85 im very glad to be of assistance. Glad you enjoyed my little rant :P People dont usually have the patience to read a longer message like that,
But on that note, care for another little fact? Its quite entertaining to think about.
@@Leto85 People often talk about how we humans killed off the neanderthals yes?
Well technically that isnt true, im theory We are not humans, we are defined as humans yes but We technically arent, exept for Africa ofcourse, they consist of nearly pure ancient human DNA. but the majority of the world is actually a sub species of ancient human and neanderthal wich eventually turned into our modern definition of human.
But We are infact genetically seperat from the ancient humans who fought and bred with the neanderthals. Modern human DNA in almost every part of the world exept Africa has a consistent 2-3% neanderthal DNA per person.
@@Kvitravn. I'm definitely not sarcastic here, but yes, so tell me. I find thee things very fascinating.
But before you do - as you've made me quite curious - is this your hobby or profession? Because for it's an interest and I got the feeling you know more about this than I do, which I love! 😁
"shot for not obeying" seems pretty normal in the US, land of the free,
Where you get shot when you don't obey🤣🤣🤣🤣
Neanderthals had a average IQ they could absolutely speak English (not at the time that they existed but assuming they survived in modern times)
IQ isnt the only thing needed to speak
@@romaboo6218 their voices would have been deeper but they most likely had the correct vocal organs to talk
Barbara: I want to take care of my son
Julian: He is not your son
*Barbara proceeds to surrender William to Julian*
*Julian proceeds to call William his son*
WTF..
Neanderthal: why am I being bullied for being different?
Africans: First time?
Africans would have been the ones bullying them, don't you know that Africans are pure Homo sapiens, Homosapiens are humans
The movie has Such a crazy way to convey the way the world truly treats those who are different.
This all could've been avoided if they just freaking gave William a stronger pencil ! ! !
seriously or give him a chunk of charcoal from a fire pit
Technically, William is human. Under American laws, he’s just as human as the rest of us. In reality, he’d be treated just the same as everyone is in America. This is what they failed to show in this movie. His dad calling him a dumb brute to his peers… that was not only racist(true racism) but also just downright mean. Also like the others have stated, William wouldn’t have problem on tests and wouldn’t have a problem holding a pencil.
Neanderthals and other homo species are technically humans since they literally have "homo" in their name
He could just become a rugby player earn 10x more then a Uni graduate
That William doesn’t look like a Neanderthal at all. He looks like a European native.
Same thing
@@gibememoni I mean he looks like a Homo Sapiens European native with an exceptionally thick brow, rather than a proper neanderthal
actually it feels like a good metaphor about kids with learning disabilities.
Neanderthal have similar intelligence when compared to modern humans.
This looks really good, I want to see it now.
Enjoyed this movie short. There were a few things that could have made the film better . William could have due to his strength played professional sports . Neanderthals were much more powerfully built than homosapiens. Recent DNA evidence now shows how modern humans carry 3 -5% Neanderthal DNA. Mainly those of European and Asian descent. Modern humans therefore basically lived alongside our Neanderthal cousins. We basically due to our numbers. Modern humans bred with Neanderthals. As we modern humans if you're of European or Asian decent all have 3-5% Neanderthal DNA in us. So we all have a little William in us ❤️.
Is it weird to find him attractive?
No
Im confused. Did the dad die ?
Also , sarah is julian's girlfriend ? Wouldnt that mean william slept with his dad's girlfriend ?
Yes they did in Forest
Oh wtf
7:19 the framing of the father in a “cage” and his mother outside and free is so intentional.
Will himself being partially caged is also a description of being a child under parents with strong opinions on their child’s future.
Terrible make up job! Would the baby look that different? How would William have memories of “ his time”?
Unknown as there aren't multiple great examples of their babies/toddlers. In order to have data sets to predict an individual's actual appearance you need fairly large, known as true to what they are supposed to be, and complete (as possible). If you wish to know more about this subject look up forensic anthropology and what information is needed to be able to create an image that is true to life of a skull. Unfortunately to use homo sapien info on skull morphology on a Neanderthal subject would almost certainly end up with a badly skewed result. Lol it would be like using a lion's skull to try and figure out what a tiger looks like in life
William was in many car insurance commercials.
So easy a caveman can do it
Well, that was a sad, pointlessly tragic ending… smh 😐
Usually watch the recaps to safe time, but I believe I need to watch this movie.
people be looking at him like he's Shrek. There's nothing particularly unusual about him, except his broad nose, which many people have
And William himself seemed such a sweetheart here. Such a sad turn of events though…
Wasted potential. The dude is more durable with greater endurance than Homo sapiens.
Would've had a great career making millions as a star athlete in the NFL, WWF, Professional body building then own a construction company, become a singer and then get into acting.
It's what makes him happy and fulfilled, than what his "father" wants.
I felt like the dad was very poorly written to be a pseudo-villain. He speaks on one hand of the lack of intelligence on the part of Neanderthals and then talks about how humans could learn from neanderthals. He raises William or at least helps, so he's fully aware William is not a grunting brute with a lack of basic intelligence. I don't think the dad was bad. I think he was badly written. They wanted an antagonist to challenge the films themes and also wanted an archaic scientist who doesn't know what they're talking about. So they hamfisted it into the dad role. If he acted like that around others consistently he wouldn't have been in the situation to be a part of the story
Any anthropologist in this decade could tell you that technologically, Humans and Neanderthals we're identical for their shared history, but that they were not the same. They were very closely related, close enough they could reproduce and have viable offspring. But to our current knowledge they were different enough to qualify as a separate species but same genus. Much like how lions and tigers can have viable offspring but are still distinct species.
I thought the premise was very unrealistic. An expert in the field such as William's father would the opposite of person portrayed. William's difficulty with pencils would be immediately recognized. It's a very contrived situation to drive a highly implausible drama.
It's almost like it's a shitty movie that wasn't wrote by professionals 🙄
@@anawithonen4116 Well, that's a lot more critical than I meant. There are many elements to a movie, and the story line is just one.
The father is such a fcked up character.. he's the only annoying and angrying thing about that otherwise wonderful movie
The dad & mum should have been sued for cloning to begin with, the "authorities" should have given William a decent life, he was basically a guest in our world.
basically, neanderthals where pretty sophisticated in their thecnology, but not as aesthetics as homo sapiens: neanderthals where like engineers, homo sapiens more like artists or architects.
No need for cloning yall, my ex fiance took one of those mail in dna tests. It came back saying that she was more than 23% Neanderthal. She's almost a quarter cave woman.
A medical marvel then considering the majority of People only consist of 2-3% neanderthal DNA with Africa having near none consisting of mostly pure ancient human DNA with an approximation of 20% neanderthal DNA consisting to this Day overall.
@@Kvitravn. Yup she thought it was a joke, but she started crying after her dad read the results and got pissed off. Turns out he's the majority human in the family.
@@Tribudo oh dear, not a good look was It? Neanderthal DNA Is in near every humanoid on the planet but 23% is quite impressive. Could deffinetly use her to recreate the species.
@@Kvitravn. yeah sometimes love is blind, or maybe just me
@@Tribudo well technically a somewhat higher Neanderthal DNA count wouldent change much, but could deffinetly use her DNA to "clone" a neanderthal with a bit of purification and DNA manipulation.
Actually, they are quite good at making complex weapons they are not dumb.
I think the father , as a scientist has done one silly mistake here.
By comparing two stone tools he concluded that Neanderthal are intelligent than human but early human not modern human .We are far intelligent than our ancestors. But William's gene belonged to the Neanderthal that coexisted with our ancestors.
If Neanderthal would have existed till today, than may be it is possible that modern ones would have been more intelligent than us.( But it's my assumption).
Assuming William will be intelligent than us is like comparing su-27 with f-15ex which is actually comparable to f-15c.
Interesting story but in reality if this were to happen in real life the government would’ve came down on them and kept it a secret.
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Reminds me of Isaac Asimov’s “The Ugly Little Boy”
Makes me sad I've got a high amount of Neanderthal DNA. Meaning some of my ancestors were Neanderthals lots of people have this in common with me. This movie saddens me because if William was here we would reach out and say we love you and your family not dumb or a failure. I really feel Neanderthals weren't stupid
A lot of this could have been avoided if William had brought a pencil sharpener with him.
One point that bothers me is that the movie constantly says that humans believe that neanderthals were stupid and savage. We know from the size of their skull caveties that neanderthals had larger brains than modern humans. While this may not imply they were smarter (whales have larger brains than humans by volume), it doesn't mean they were any dumber than homosapians. As for the savage part, they were hunter gatherers like homosapian cavemen were. The main reason they went extinct and we didn't is because homosapians lived in larger groups so we usually outcompeted neanderthals for resources wherever both were found.
The underline narrative they are wanting to push is that mankind are nothing but animals without any true will of our own, but rather driven by instinct.
If a Neanderthal were to be brought back today I suspect they could for example master the pencil.
Yo I did not ask for these feels. They did my boy Will dirty. He clearly is very intelligent.
I expected the nenderthal to wake up and start selling car insurance....
Sounds exactly like some stupid $hit we would do, simply because we could.
Exactly.
There’s an entire country of Williams. Here is a hint, the Capitol is Moscow
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Interesting idea, but sounds like was done by people who only sort of read the science
A friend of mine (f) once admitted to me that she imagined her boyfriend as a caveman while they did it. Also a tiger. I'm going to leave that right here.
Humans didn't make art until they crossbred with neantherthals.
You ask a child to give you art, they hand you symbols, not a picture, humans turn images into language, the language ability gets in the way of rendering an image .
An artist actually sees an object and actually draws the object without letting language get in the way, neantherthals did art.
Real art.
Not symbols.
Fun fact, neanderthals were much more "masculine" than us, and how they could snap our arms with grip strength alone, they were much more vocal and powerful, they were arguably smarter than us too
I beg to differ, humans were able to outsmart them. Even though we have their DNA, if they were smarter and physically stronger, they would have existed above humans as a specie
I wouldn't say much more but yaah
The movie would have been a lot better if they showed William eating raw meat and vegetables, making some Neanderthal weapons and tools and then hunting Neanderthal way..and so on..
I read somewhere we all have a little Neanderthal DNA in us as we modern humans interbred with them and we became the dominant humans so we wiped out the Neanderthals but imagine if we did bring them back could we live alone side eachother or be at war with them
You are both correct but also ever so slightly mistaken, technically "We" didnt wipe out the neanderthals, in theory modern humanity is a sub species of human and neanderthal breeding, the only location on the planet with near pure ancient human DNA is Africa, where they either never had contact with neanderthals or they killed them all rather than breeding, due to biological difference betwen the two species humans were More adept at ranged warfare with better trowing capabilities wich Made them More profficient to kill their target before getting too close while the neanderthals were believed to be stronger and More ressilient overall but lacking the ability to Adequately use ranged Weapons due to differently shaped upper bodies, for example trown spears, the neanderthals also had a disadvantage with their numbers being significantly lower than ancient humans with much smaller communities. Humans were weak, so We banded together in big groups for safety, neanderthals were stronger and could easier protect themselves in smaller groups until the humans came with trowing weapons. Approximately 20% of Neanderthal DNA is still persistent today with the majority of the human population consisting of about 2-3% neanderthal DNA per person, exept Africa ofcourse.
This movies film history About genetic engineers. Any living thing can be altered by evolution through DNA engineering. It has been like this since ancient times.