5 Times Mon Mothma Was Naive About the Empire
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- This was a video we made early on in the first season of Andor as background information for the show. We never got around to releasing it so here it is!
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Mon Mothma is the Idealist.
Saw Guerrera is the Radicalist.
Luthen Rael is the Pragmatist.
Making them as the three pillars of the Rebel Alliance in their fight against the Galactic Empire despite their conflict in interest.
Then you have Leia who’s the Jack of all trades
Don't forget Yoda the Ketamine spice lord of the starwar galaxy
So whose the Realist in the Rebellion?
Well said 👏
@@worldwanderer91 I'd argue Bail Organa was a realist. He took the hand he was dealt and tried to entertain Mon Mothma's idealism while still working towards the eventual conflict he knew was coming.
So many tragic mining accidents. The galaxy's mining companies really need to have more safety inspections.
They do don't they
Unfortunately, 2 days ago the Mine Safety Inspector suffered an unfortunate mining accident
@@garmandino4506 yes a mining accident is how all the geontions got killed
Mon Mothma's main flaw is that she didn't learn from Duchess Satine's example. Mandalore, under Satine's rule, tried to ignore their past and avoid conflict at any cost. Mothma's New Republic would repeat this mistake, trying to forget the war with the Empire and avoid fighting their remnant forces. She just doesn't get that not all issues can be resolved peacefully. She "adopts" the idea when she joins the Rebellion, but her actions after the war show that she never believed that there wasn't a problem she couldn't solve diplomatically.
Sometimes, you have to be a Saw Guerrera/Peacemaker and keep killing people until you achieve the objective...but it's a razor thin line from Palpatine's POV.
This, even though everyone around her CLEARLY knew that was not the case. She was a figurehead, and a lot of the major commanders with clear vision probably knew they had to work around her to get stuff done. Rogue One showed her trying to run the rebellion like a democracy. It caused gridlock and inaction, which spurred parts of it to go off on their own...she "might" have been ready to give the official green light for deploying forces to Sacriff. Still, she also might have been looking at being far more tentative, or just as likely she might have meant to try and talk Raddus down...only to find he had already left with his ships.
*Mothma's idealistc outlook & focus has it's pros & cons to her views & stance on things which of course will automatically cause her to make the decisions to join the Rebellion in the long run. But, choices in life, even in star wars, needs to happen to make room for people to learn, grow & try their best to not make that many more bad decisions as time goes on.*
Reporters: How the Imperial government lost control of Lothal?
Palpatine: It's a mining accident and an angry mob of radicalized workers.
I smell Commiustism
To be honest her character is amazing If you forget the sequels exist
The demilitarization and everything New Republic related completely destroy her character
Demilitarization seems like something she would do tho
For me the sequels don't exist, I take them as random generic B-grade Sci-fi that accidentally has similar characters
@@Bizzon666 that's fair, I enjoy them very much myself but to each their own
Ah, yes, the good old fan fiction trilogy.
@@Bizzon666 me too I hated them
sometimes it's hard to believe Padme and Mon Mothma managed to have long and successful careers as politicians.
I guess with so many seniors and worlds they managed to hold on
I think she grew up a lot dealing with Luthen and seeing that you can only go so far in a rebellion without getting your hands dirty.
Mothma. Heart of gold, brain of pyrite.
I’m using that.
True, true. She was good at winning the war, not keeping power afterwards.
@@HolyknightVader999 with the rest of rebellion? Yeah, she had plans to transition the New Republic to something more sturdy but factionalism and 'Old World Blues' killed those plans...
@@TheTrueAdept Basically, yes. If there was one good thing about the Empire, it kept factionalism to a minimum.
7:35 Bail should've told Mon Mothma the truth; that Palpatine was a Sith; a being capable of great power, depravity, and cruelty. As far as Mon Mothma was concerned, Palpatine was just some power-hungry political bigwig, which was the farthest from the truth. If she surrendered to the Emperor, it would change nothing. The Imperials would still hunt down the remaining rebels without mercy, while Palpatine would just fall back on his nature as a Sith and torture her for information and for his own twisted pleasures. Surrendering at that point would be fruitless.
Mon Mothma knew Sidious is a Sith. It's one of the reasons why she is desperate to build the Rebel Alliance and fight the Empire.
Would an ordinary person have even known what a Sith was, or even cared? She had real military and political problems to deal with, not dark space wizards that may not even exist.
I was eating and nearly choked laughing when you said "..by doing baked good sales.."
The state of the mining industry was so bad that it made Padmé Amidala die from sadness..
This makes me wish they'd keep making Andor after Season 2, with Mon and others carrying on after Cassian dies.
This would be cool, Mon Mothma was such a minor character in the OT.
In hindsight, standing around that Ops table on Yavin and hearing some Outer Rim hick tell you he's turning off his targeting computer would have been utterly terrifying.
😂
I personally like the new actor over the old one. She is a lot more regal and stately.
I worry for her family. She is in a lot of trouble in Andor already🥺
Hope her daughter goes with the gangster son and he can protect her daughters🤔 Interesting show Andor.
I'm surprised when people say that during the time of the rebellion jedi were seen as a myth, like santa. It's only been less than 20 years since the Jedi were wiped out, anyone who is an adult was alive at the time of the Jedi.
People how had been in a position of power, or close to the core, like Mothma, would've personally seen many Jedi.
So if someone had told her Kenobi believed Luke was strong with the force her reaction would be more likely to be "Cool,let's see what he can do" than "I don't believe in space wizards".
It's actually one of the issues I have with the prequels, by making the Clone Wars and age of the Jedi not that long ago it undermines all the OT comments about the force being mythology.
Plus if she heard the name of Skywalker from Luke, she would want to meet the son of the Hero of the Clone Wars and bring him to the side of the Rebel Alliance than alienate him.
I agree It does seem like a long time ago in the OT. Which makes it extra strange that it is mentioned in a new hope that Vader personally betrayed, hunted, and killed the Jedi, so it can’t have been that long ago after all. Even if Obi-wan is talking about some long ago golden age there still must have been enough of a remnant space wizards around to justify hunting them down. I’ve never personally seen or been affected by a terrorist or anything, but I don’t doubt they are a myth.
@@joshuabanner3675 There were around one to two thousand full jedi knights in a galaxy of trillions they were extremely rare and most people would never meet someone who had met a jedi they mainly worked in the top sections of goverment acting as diplomats/peace keepers and when they were not working they isolated themselves in their temples. Once they were disowned by the republic they faded into myth so fast because they were already halfway there
Most people in the galaxy would never have met a Jedi so to most people they would have been mythical.
My one problem with Mon Mothma was that she wanted a return to the Republic, a system that was shown to be very flawed only caring about the core world and essentially using the rest of the system as cheap labour.
Alan, your perspective and delivery are pitch perfect in this and in so many of your discourses. Our own history must show that revolutions are always complicated, only exceeded in complexity by the governance that follows them.
You are a really great storyteller. Like, Star Wars campfire time... 😊🤗
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i think she was naive at first, definetly during the clone wars but i would imagine after the senate and leading the rebels she grew up in that respect
Ever since the Empire, workplace safety and OSHA went out the space lock. When my union rep complained at our mine (fortunately I was seeing this girl on Pijal) the planet exploded and my buddy Phil got radiation burns from this big laser thing and his buddy Mike fell off a platform with no railing. I went to my Imperial Senator under the Whistleblower Protection law but she was killed in and this you won’t believe; eaten by some teddy bear looking thing while surveying this moon to be established as wildlife refuge 🤷♂️. Weird right?
US Senators: "Ya damn right she's WTF level naive lol!"
What Chandrilan weed does to a mf
Being a great leader is a razor blade walk between a naive Mon Mothma and a more machine than man psychopath Saw Guerra.
She like real world leaders just got luck: right time, right place.
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The worst for me is the demilitarization of the fledgling New Republic. Fam, you're asking to be attacked.
The Republic needed the Chaos Gods.
The Skywalker Heresy.
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Could you do a video about the creation and rise of the republic
If Mon Mothma had crossed Cersei or even Tywin Lannister, she'll have no idea what she's getting into.
You think _those two_ would be her greatest danger? _BOY, do I think you forget a certain someone!_
"Baelish... perhaps I was wrong in mistrusting you."
"Mistrusting me was the wisest decision you've made since you've got off your horse~." 😏
@@MrDibara Yes, Petyr will take her for a ride and turn on her just to appease the Emperor. Here's another bad badass I can remember, would Mon Mothma be gullible enough to attempt to use a hyperspace corridor for the Rebel Alliance by negotiating with Walder Frey?
I never realized how dangerous Imperial Mining Policies were.
What’s so sad about Mothma is she undergoes a pretty big change overtime in the old lore.
She starts out a lot like this, naive and believing the Rebellion should try to fight the Empire conventionally, forming a government and trying to hold territory.
But by the end of her life, she was in many ways a lot like Mustafa Kemal or Oliver Cromwell, where she was basically ruling the Republic even if she wasn’t the actual head of state, and was willing to compromise on some things in order to preserve the Republic.
At least EU Legends Mon Mothma didn't make the New Republic that too crappy as it was able to stand up and fight against the enemies and threats thrown at their way.
The NR in the EU fell the moment the Vong looked at them funny.
@@rippera45 True but they didn't go down like paper tiger compared to Disney's New Republic.
@@TheWarmachine375 Have you forgotten when the Vong showed up? Let me remind you. The NR leadership literally pretended it wasn't a problem, even as their fleets were getting their asses kicked straight through the Outer Rim all the way to the Core. Within weeks, the capital planet was taken by the Vong, and the NR crumbled and fell. No version of the New Republic lasts.
@@rippera45 I think I now know where Disney Star Wars got their idea from when making their New Republic being idiots to the face of the First Order's threat
@@TheWarmachine375 Oh the EU is FULL of NR incompetence. The Bacta War in the X-Wing series is a great example: Imperials release a virus that targets and painfully kills all non-human life. The best medicine to stop it: Bacta. An Imperial splinter sect, the same one that released the virus, has control of the Bacta planet Thyferra, basically allowing them to control where Bacta goes and how much is produced. The NR's people are suffering and dying. They know the Imperials are in full control of the situation, but they have a big enough fleet and the resources to take down the splinter and free Thyferra. What do they do? Nothing. Politically, the NR doesn't want to fight the Imperial Remnant unless they have to. It takes a defected "Resistance" group of former NR pilots to save the day. If you think Disney's NR is bad, you WILL be disappointed by the EU's NR.
Imma do this for the Legends boys who don't wanna.
As soon as January 1st hits, I'm going through the entire Disney timeline. Chronologically or release order?
You'd figure in the future there wouldn't be so many mining accidents
The original trilogy portrays her as an almost angelic figure. Then Andor reveals to us how she’s actually much more ruthless then she portrays on the surface even willing to sacrifice her own family to defeat the empire. Then the clown show known as the sequel trilogy turns her into a complete idiot.
'Mining' accident? LOL!
But, the children yearn for the mines!
If the Military Disarmament Act took effect gradually over 20-40 years it would have still accomplished what it set out to do, without leaving a power vacuum in galactic security. If would have given PDF's time to build up and professionalize, while still leaving the New Republic enough forces to deal with the Imperial Remnants and any rogue actors on the galactic stage.
George Washington did not have wooden teeth. That is just silly! 😜🤦🏼♀️
Thats the biggest issue with "peace, peace, peace at any price" especially since Mothma wanted it soonest as possible.
During 1938, Germany was preparing to invade Czechoslovakia and take possession of the Sudetenland, a German speaking region in the country’s south. The invasion was expected to set off a broader conflict in Europe, since both France and the UK had treaties with Czechoslovakia. The French and British were all worried about war breaking out. At the last minute, the leaders of France, the UK, and Germany held a conference in Munich. The three powers agreed that Germany could move against southern Czechoslovakia and that the UK and France would not stop them. In return, Hitler promised that he would not invade the rest of Czechoslovakia.
The British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, returned to London triumphantly and announced that the country would not be going to war with Germany. Crowds cheered as he announced, “My good friends, this is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honor. I believe it is peace for our time.”
I'll give you two guesses what Germany did immediately after that.
"Peace at any price" retains a scornful power and is still used to indicate cowardly, short-sighted policy. And sadly for dear Mon Mothma, her desperate bid of forgiving everything, forgetting everything, trying to let the remnants of an Empire that still held the same cruelty that Palpatine had perpetuated into the Senate and Republic, and guess what happened when she thought she accomplished her "peace".
Complete destruction of the entire Republic solar sector, and the First Order being dominant...
And a sequel being crap.
Ironically, in Legends continuity after the New Republic was shaken to its core by the Yuzan Vong invasion and rebuilt as The Galactic Alliance, Mon Mothma's worst fears would be realized as the democratic government would once again turn authoritarian from the inside with some help from a Sith hiding in the shadows training a youthful and troubled Jedi to be the next Dark Lord. So in a way...the New Republic was doomed no matter what.
Part of the reason I was disappointed with the sequels is it robbed us of seeing the slow decay of the New Republic from thew inside as history began to repeat itself. Plus in my opinion those books were just much better written than the sequel trilogy was.
Luke did have some Pilot experience not Starfighter but another Incom vehicle
Yes.
Pacifism only works if absolutely *everybody* agrees to it. Mon Mothma *refused* to accept that fact. She was also in denial about the extent of Palpatine's role in the fall of the Old Republic. From what we saw in the prequels, it was already falling apart by the time that the Trade Federation invaded Naboo. A government that is so weak that it cannot even prevent its member states from attacking each other is a failed government. Yet she saw this as some kind of golden age. The Clone Wars didn't begin at the Battle of Geonosis. They began when the Trade Federation refit their freighters as battleships and assembled a droid army. Yet the Republic courts couldn't even successfully prosecute Nute Gunray over the invasion attempt, or force the Trade Federation to disarm.
Tbf Nute Gunray was only able to avoid prosecution in the senate after his invasion of naboo because of palpatine as he still needed him for his future plans of leading the separatist movement
@@bloodangel7731 - Exactly the point. Did the Trade Federation lose a leader? Nope. The case got bogged down in the courts. Were they forced to disarm their Lucrehulks? Nope, the Republic wasn't powerful enough to force them to and Palpatine certainly wanted them to continue arming for war.
This is very relevant to the incompetent Senate we're being shown in Ahsoka. This is all fairly recent history. Yet everybody acts like it never happened, and certainly could never happen again.
Say, for a video idea, how about a video that analyzes the similarities and differences between the Clone Wars Galactic Republic and the Galactic Empire before 0 BBY?
We know you are not kidding, Dolphins live in a smelly and fishy environment!
"Mining accident."
People are complex, Mon Mothma is not a realist, she hoped for the best, but accepted the worse, without condemnation.
What a good video.
Mon Mothra!
13:30 Isn’t this the clip from right before someone shot a couple of rounds into the air with an AK 47 in the Jordanian parliament?
The problem is people cannot seem to understand no ONE person can do everything.
Mon motha couldn't sacrifice Krieeger
Lutheran never forgive
Saw would bever disarm
Right place wrong time
If you want another set of contingencies beyond legends, Check out all 3 of the classic trilogy "What if..." comics.
Peace with Sidious was always a pipe dream
Can you do a video on the jedi temple mineing accident?
Honestly I don't think she is naive, honestly she's smarter and rather not even those close to her realize. Great example is the end where she makes up her husband gabling to cover her use of money.
If only her brain was as big as her heart.
Its pronounced Na'vi, but this could mean a lot because the Na'vi were very Na'vi about humans, so Mon could have been Na'vi to the Empire. On that same coin The empire was pretty Na'vi when it came to the rebels.
Hi Generation Tech. I know Alan thinks that Admiral Piett was one of the worst officers to serve the Empire. However I was wondering if you could do a video explaining why Vader didn't kill him in the Empire Strikes Back when Vader killed Ozzel and Needa
Like listening to these vids. Alan's snarkiness is just the right level. Please do a ROBOTECH vid, Alan. Thx. go long. Want longer vids. Thanks again
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
12:00 SW isn't a different universe, just a different Galaxy. "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away." So the real sin is that she knew about future events.
If i were in charge of the new republic i would have made sure the military and navy around for at least a few more decades.
I still like mon mothma though.
Goodness is Only Naive in an Evil World!
5:50 If they didn't know what the Force was, then why do they keep greeting each other with "May The Force Be With You."?
She was chosen because she was the last senator from the republic republic that was completely moral and unblemished by the emperor
9:17 The Rebellion isn't as effective as you say it is, Alan. It would've been a total failure without Luke Skywalker and the Force. They wouldn't have made it past the first Death Star, let alone evacuated enough people from Hoth or turned Vader against Palpatine. If the Rebels went to Endor without Luke, Emperor Palpatine would've survived or even won on Endor. Either A) Battle Meditation is real and he'd focus it against the Rebels, or B) Battle Meditation isn't real and he'd just call in reserves from other fleets to come in and crush the rebel forces at Endor when they're getting a little too successful.
So I wouldn't say that Mon Mothma's strategies were even that good. The Rebellion succeeded barely; thanks to a bloody miracle, more than once. The Rebellion won by using Luke Skywalker and the Force as a crutch; they used his powers to win against the first Death Star, albeit unwittingly, and it was his persuasion that turned Vader against the Emperor. Without that, the Rebellion's regular forces would've been crushed without him.
A smarter commander might've been able to crush the Empire without the Force. Hell, there were other Imperial traitors whose plans against the Emperor might've succeeded if he didn't have the Force. So no, the rebels were far from the ideal counter to the Empire. Other enemies of the Emperor nearly succeeded against him, such as Gentis, Grand Moff Trachta, Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin, among others. Hell, in Dark Empire, the Emperor's final demise was brought about by one of his royal guards (Sovereign Protector Carnor Jax) bribing the doctor to poison his clone bodies. That shows a kind of cunning that the rebels sorely lacked.
The Rebels had to use the Force and the last of the Jedi as a crutch just to survive. Other enemies of the Emperor would've succeeded if the Emperor wasn't as powerful as he was.
Also, bush pilots are actually well-trained, Alan. Luke had been honing his pilot skills to the point where he could hit targets better than pilots who were trained in the military.
Do you do any real history breakdowns?
Why havent you done year one of the empire like year one of the clone wars?
Because the clone wars was 4 years. The empire was over 20 years old and the galactic civil war another few years added to that. That...a lot to cover.
So many mining accidents
I dont think she was Naive, as much as learning to let go of herself. She is now doing all the steps to start the rebellion, but has been hesitating, I think we are gonna see her in full go mode next.
baked goods sale... you're saying Mons daughter is a stoner?
The disarmament act was misguided at best and asinine to the extreme at worst. Say what you will about his methods but Saw Gererra was right about more than she was comfortable with. When you have the enemy on the back foot, that is not the time to stop. That is the time to either fortify your position or press the attack. She did neither and her hesitation and unwillingness to act cost lives.
too young too simple, sometimes naive
a mining accident LMAO
It's only after the Empire was defeated did her Naivety show its deadly consequences, not during it...
But to be fair the same thing happened with the participants of the Treaty of Versailles. The League of Nations believed that by making Germany fully responsible for the First World War another one couldn't possibly happen again, especially by taking apart Germany's means and ability to fight. That put them in a very naive way of thinking since they've forgotten that making someone responsible for something they did not do (if anything it was Bosnia and Austria who started it, not Germany) they were only fostering resentment. But with the victors so confident that the mere memory of the War would be enough to keep them in line, they didn't see the signs or outright ignored and explained away them.
They all went to their graves regretting their way of thinking. And these weren't evil or bad people either.
So rather than think of Mon Mothma as a naive Idealist, I rather think of her as a warning in the same way the Empire serves as a warning.
Not naive, no. Obviously not. She is overly CAUTIOUS, which is the opposite of naive. She's in such a prominent position she can't EVER let her guard down or make a wrong move.
I dont know about that. Her arc in season 1 was her finally realizing she needed to set aside her ideals to fight the war. She didnt agree with the Aldahni heist. As Luthan said, no one has ever made a weapon if they didnt plan to use it. That tells me she didnt even realize what she was doing with her money.
@@stevebreedlove9760 She was realizing that she was INVOLVED and there was no backing out.
Yep. Whatever she imagined it to be is in Luthen's hands now. We do know she survives, but at what cost really? I love her character in this. Mothma was just "there" in ROTJ, now we know why. She was crucial to defeating the Empire, perhaps she can save StarWars too...
Being overly cautious is what makes Mon Mothma weak and ineffective leader.
YEP!
this is why i choose thrawn and the chiss.......................
Who left their respective realms in worse political turmoil? Mon Mothma or Jon Snow?
Mining accident... Why is it always a mining accident!!
What part of her body was made out of wood?)
She knew about Versailles because our universe is to her world what her world is to ours... I wonder who their "Luke Skywalker" equivalent would be. Perhaps Albert Goring. Or something like that. Schindler could be her own equivalent.
How could you not meme “pockets”?
4:33 I don't think that those two options are mutually exclusive, you can be naïve at the same time as being strong. You can even have strength in your naïvety and naïvety in your strength. Quite where Mon Mothma falls on the spectrum of blends between both I don't know, but I am confident that she lies neither on one end nor the other. When you exist on both sides of the line between bravery and stupidity simultaneously, your convictions can often become unbreakable.
I refuse to accept that as cannon.
beans.
Only 5?
What, who or why is a Bothan?
Very interesting, but after 10:00 ...blablabla, no EU, no SW reality... :)
The sequels never happened, story that bad can't be taken seriously. And having a Palpatine be the ultimate savior of the galaxy is just spit in the face of all star wars fans.
And this is why you don't make idealistic pacifists government leaders people!
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I think the only part of Mon Mothma that was made of wood was her personality. Totally wooden. LOL
She had a pure heart but didn't want to believe the Rebels had to dirty to win.