Most hunters,trappers,hikers have low to none survival skills ! Just because you go in the wildernesses most think they do ! Glad you’re channel talks about this sure it has already save a life!! Many Thanks!!
I agree that animals attack much more often than we are taught. I also think that rockfalls bury people more often than we think and sinkholes and forgotten open shaft mines swallow people then backfill themselves in the process more often than we collectively think. I think just these things can account for many (but not all) of the "Missing 411" mysteries.
Great information for future hikers. It breaks my heart that her Mother is so certain she is alive. As a Mother, I can certainly understand that hope, however, the common sense part of me knows this young lady is deceased. Praying for this family.
I get that, however, we all should know it's been 27 days, the probability is not great, too many things to factor in. I do pray she is though, that would be wonderful.
I will try and not be crude with how I tell this story... I’ve been out hunting in the entiat range of the cascades for many years, I recall one outing where I was moving through some thick trees at about the 5,000 foot elevation, I stumbled onto a deer buried under debris with just the legs poking out of the pile of miscellaneous forest material. The hairs on my back immediately stood up. There were obvious markings on the ground from the cat scratching and moving debris over the deer. Needless to say I backed out there gun drawn and alert. If a cat did take a person/hiker, they will drag its kill away and bury it. this is another thing search and rescue need to take into consideration if the animal component is considered in a missing persons search. Cougars rarely confront their prey, they will take prey from behind, the side or from above. So be aware of your of surroundings especially if your under trees, rocks or over hangs.
Extreme climbing seems adrenaline rush and self indulgence building, where as hiking and trekking (in my opinion) is endurance and strength of Spirit building. Very interesting info, please keep um coming lol! We’re getting to Zion for the 1st time by month’s end, Thanks partly to these vid’s
I agree with what you've said. Where she hiked was not your typical "out for a day hike" type location. She may have hiked it a thousand times before, all it takes is once. She probably lost her footing and fell. It's unfortunate and extremely sad. It's a sad situation all the way around. I understand they have stopped "officially" looking for her, but her friends and family will continue. I hope no one else becomes hurt in the process. The searching for her apparently has been extremely dangerous.
When Death comes for you, it does not matter where you hide, or how "experienced" hiker you are, or how young, or how wealthy you are. If Death is there to get you, it will get you not matter what
I can't understand that girl who had a boyfriend but went to the wilderness alone! I always struggled to have boyfriends and even when I have one, no one ever wanted to go camping or hiking etc. And her boyfriend did like it. I tried to go hiking alone but a woman in a forest alone risks a lot. And one time I went there I couldn't sleep at all all night because I was scared as hell. I had to sleep a bit in the morning when it wasn't dark any more and then go further. If you have such a luck to have a bf who loves hiking, it's a really bad idea to do it alone.
NIKIA, IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON SAMANTHA? THIS CASE, IS JUST SO SAD TO ME! AGAIN, THAT TERRAIN IS SO ROUGH, EVEN FOR PROS, SHE HAD NO BUSINESS DOING THIS ALONE, BECAUSE INJURY IS SO PROBABLE ON THAT MOUNTAIN!!!!🤔😪
@@RatandCat in the last conversation with her daughter before the hike, lisa says something about sam wanting to do a trail(?), a route(?) she had never done before. no one knew what that meant.
Sorry I missed the live video . I agree with the bear spray . Bear spray is extremely effective but I also carry a big gun . I am by myself along ways in the woods.The Lord makes me feel alive. doing things with my wife. And getting on my dual sport and going miles out in the forest where it's only me bigfoot and the wind. These things make me feel alive. Seriously I have talked with people that had issues out there and most all of them say if you pay attention have a gut feeling somethings wrong .Don't ignore those feelings.
A gun to kill the animals whose home is the forests you are hiking? I bet the Lord does not approve that. Do you know that many hunters, many people carrying guns into forests have gone missing, vanished forever, even when they were hunting, hiking with others? Wild animals do not attack people just because....Respect their lives when you are in THEIR territory, THEIR HOME
@@breadandcircus1 , i find that wild animals, like most farm animals, two key motivations are food and fear. In the attacks I mentioned, the people didn't have weapons, and were simply making their way down a path. What are your thoughts about that?
Those people either scared those wild animals, or invaded their territory. The animals reacted normally to what they perceived like aggression. To carry a gun to kill wild animals in case they attack people when they invade THEIR HOME, is grotesque. People know that when they go to forests, to bear territory what to expect. They should take precautions, use non-lethal methods to scare the animals like spray, make freaking NOISE to signal animals you are in the vicinity. Animals hate people, they run away when they see them
@@RatandCat it was more of the sheer cliffs and shale footings. I was carrying 2 cameras on the hike, that was the scary part lol. It was beautiful!! No bigfoot sightings
On my national park trips this summer, I noticed that from summits, it is hard to tell where the path down begins because there are the appearance of many bare dirt paths thru the rocks and bushes at the summit. Many times there is no indication up there of where the correct path down is. The park service really needs to do a better job of putting up more frequent markers, especially over rocky balds and summits. It is a good idea to turn around and mark the appearance of the path you are on, especially when you enter a bald rocky area. When you get to the top, turn around and mark where you are coming off the path, so you can take the same one back down. Build a little cairn or something. Don't change your mind about your planned route down once you get up there or decide to take another path that looks interesting, shorter, or easier from above. Keep to the trail and keep to your path. I didn't have a Garmin inreach. They are wonderful and Guthooks app is great also. I do have Alltrails but couldn't use it! NO signal in the Sierras and Rockies! I also noted how many people wore clothing with colors that blended into the landscape - impossible to see from the air, or rescue team. Wear loud bright unnatural colors, and have gear with them also. Don't wear black, grey, blue or green or brown! Orange and red is the way to go!
It's not a matter of if it's a matter of when.. I've been riding motorcycles most of my life, and that when happened five years ago. Still ride but be aware it's a risk for anything that you do. You're in Natures playground, guess who's going to be the toy? I've been stalked by mountain lions a couple times, it's not a good feeling if your 20 miles out in the mountains alone. Not a good feeling just 20 yards from a parking lot onto a trail.. They are quick and they are Quiet, they are around and you don't know it.
RIP to Sam. Her bf did not go on hike with her so possible tension in the relationship. She was probably on a personal level sometimes hard to deal with. Maybe stemming from the Alopecia making her personal view of herself hard to find attractive. Maybe her business was not doing great. She was living her best life on Social Media. Don't know if that was to cover pain.. She descended a dangerous less traveled way down. Why? Because she wanted to jump and self delete. She self deleted because of her negative view of herself stemming from the Alopecia. She picked a day that she knew her bf could not hike with her and she deleted herself. Sad..
THANKS FOR REPLYING HERE, NOKIA! I DONT HAVE A COMPUTER SO IM LIMITED! JUST UA-cam!! I DO FOLLOW YOUR EVERY MOVE AND FILM! BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!, YOURE ALONE ALOT!!!!!👍
Jacob Gray being found just this week is still a mystery to me. His bike and trailer were found alongside the Sol Duc River and they had found a place on the bank where it looked like he fell in and climbed back out. But they found his remains in a remote area. His bike was found where he fell in right after the fact. There aren't many details yet. My heart goes out to his loved ones.
I learned of this in a video you did awhile back. I think many of the missing in our National Parks could be victims of this. And it only has to be about 40 degrees and the poor conditions?
breadandcircus1 I agree. I am reading comments on FB Find Jacob Gray and it said he was found... Near Hoh Lake about 10 miles from the Sol Duc trailhead i believe. How and why did he hike 10 miles and leave his bike and gear along the river and seen by the highway? I think he had taken some but little gear with him and no mention of food. And it's said they found marks in the moss on a rock where he had slipped and scrape marks (by hands) where he had climbed back out. That was a long time ago on a search. The pieces don't fit but we may learn more. Not so sure about a Missing 411 case here.
I enjoy your videos. I myself used to explore when horseback riding but sadly I no longer have horses and therefore don’t go into the wilderness anymore. I have also been made aware of the risks through 411 as well as Rat and cat. I can say I won’t be hiking in the wilderness myself. I have become afraid to do that through my awareness plus’s I’m much more into the lazy way these days. I have become very interested in the people who go missing in our wilderness not because I think there are sashquash because I don’t know if there are any but I think it’s a lot of people missing not to question where they are. Thank you for the great videos I love the pictures you get of your trecks into the wilderness plus you do great investigative work on the missing people. Thanks
In the news today: Grizzly attacks family www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/24/yellowstone-bear-attack-mother-grizzly-charges-chases-10-year-old/1087722002/ Bear spray drove off the bear.
One reason mountain lions are more aggressive is that in early history they were often treed and held there by dogs. Lions associated dogs with danger and kept a distance..As the practice of treeing died out, cougars are bolder to approach and even stalk humans. Our ancestors knew what we have forgotten.
What gets me is the fact she was packed for a day hike. Yes I can see that if you are in a camp around or near your vehicle. The fact of the matter is she was not prepared. 1) She did not have a survival kit with several days worth of food. 2) She did not have a firearm. What I like to do is at a minimum is have a .22 rifle or pistol AND a pump action .177 pellet gun. one resource that everyone ignores is the BIRDS. That is one steady supply of food that you are trying to trap which is very hard and time intensive.. Just pump up the pellet pistol and drop them I also like to get to know an area before I head into it by taking SHORT hikes and then make ever bigger walking circles. Learn the lay of the land so to speak She did not deserve what has happened but she could have been way better prepared Not attacking just sayin
I'm sorry but I'm kinda wrapped my head around the fact that Jacob's remains were found I think a week ago. He was hiking where my kids and I have worked and played so it was so personal to me. My heart is broken. Did they find Samantha? I'm sorry if you said and I missed that. Prayers being said for her and her loved ones as well as for Jacob and his.
Sobering indeed. Jacob had been staying in my town before he went on that hike. My daughter and her husband go up to the Lake Crescent/Sol Duc area often and they ran into some early on searchers who had run across some clothing and gear which I think was actually Jacob's. His mom recognized the things. I really wonder how he ended up 10 miles and in a 'remote' area where he was found? Especially leaving his bike and the bike trailer. Which soon after the park rangers pick that stuff up for safe keeping I guess. I don't think he had even been reported as missing at that point. It doesn't look promising for Samantha and I hate to say that. I hope they find her soon. I have thought about Jacob so often since April 2017. It has to be so hard for family. Maybe his family can at least find some closure and try to move on so they can live again. I can't imagine how tough it must be to not know where or what happened to your child. Nikia thank you agaiin.
Read what I wrote about James Griffin, who went missing in National Olympic park too and was found dead from hypothermia. Jacob Gray died in strange circumstances too. Same national park
People healing from injuries going for short hikes in the forests go missing. Many old people, children, depressed people, people with health problems vanish in the wilderness. I wonder if the baldness of Samantha Sayers was like a magnet for interdimensional creatures ? Many times they pick on the different ones, the vulnerable ones, THEY KNOW, they can "read" people venturing into the wilderness
Very sad. But had she been an experienced hiker, she would have returned on the same trail she went up on. Her body is probably at the bottom of some ravine off the side of the mountain. Shortcuts or wrong turns on steep mountains will not end well...May she rest in peace and condolences to her family and friends....
I wonder if all those ravines were looked by SAR people. If she is not at the bottom of one those ravines, if she did not fall from that mountain, she was taken by the interdimensional creatures roaming US wilderness, or she was a victim of foul play. Very sad case. But whom in her right mind, what woman, what man would go to hike alone in such a treacherous trail, to climb that dangerous mountain? She was not very wise. She believed she was superior to Nature, an "experienced" hiker. That is NOTHING when you are alone there, facing Nature. You can be experienced, have a gun, transponder, all the gear, and if it's time for you to die, you die no matter what
In my opinion Jacob Gray was victim of cryptids in the wilderness. James Griffin went to National Olympic park just for a short hike in December of 2014. He knew the area very well. He was in good health, 60 years old, and he was healing from a broken leg. He was in the Hot Springs taking a bath, and people saw him on the trail at 4 PM on December 21, when he was returning to the trailhead where his car was parked. Guess what? He never returned. He was found dead -hypothermia, the coroner said- above a vertical rock wall, 1,000 feet, a giant boulder, in thick bushes. The park spokeswoman could not explain why, how he could climb that impossible rock wall if his leg was not OK, why he threw his backpack just 50 feet away from the trail, and went climbing that wall in pitch black night. Why, if he knew like the palm of his hand the way to the trailhead? He was found just 3/4 of mile off the trailhead. This case haunts me. There is NO WAY James climbed that 1,000 feet vertical wall of pure rock. In my opinion the dark supernatural forces in the wilderness took his life. James Griffin was found about a month after he went missing. BEWARE OF PLACES WITH BOULDERS, CREEKS AROUND: MANY PEOPLE VANISH IN THOSE AREAS.
I have a friend who goes up there often though she hasn't in the last few months that I know of. She goes alone or sometimes with a couple of friends. They do a lot of horseback trail riding. She's in her early 40's but I think there has always been women like her. Not me. I'm afraid in the dark and I would never go alone. I never used to camp in campgrounds because that's how my family was when I was a kid. But today I think it's safer to stay in campgrounds. Had a couple of experiences many years ago while camped alone with my husband and our 2 yr old son. A couple of guys who had been drinking heavily wandered into our camp on foot. Said they had been partying up on a mountain and decided to leave during the night. I was just cleaning up the breakfast dishes when they showed up. It was unnerving to me. Fortunately there was no trouble but it made me think about some things. I don't recall the story of James Griffin but I must have known of it. Sounds awful and similar to David Paulides Missing 411 cases. BTW, Rusty West has some great videos of people gone missing in different National and State Parks. He is on You Tube. I will search James Griffin and see what I can find. Thank you.
James Joseph Griffin from Port Los Angeles, he went missing on December 21, 2014 at National Olympic park, Hot Springs trail. He was found dead in strange circumstance's in January of 2015. A case that baffles me. I don't believe for one second, Jim climbed a 1,000 feet tall boulder, a vertical, impossible one, no way when he knew the trail, no way in pitch black night, no way if he was healing from a broken leg
Whats up with ur eye balls the first few mins of the video........its prob a glitch but it looks like ur eyelids are closed and u have eyes drawn on ur eyelids or maybe im a lil crazy!!!!! Take care, krissy ur neighbour up north.....eh!!!lol
Samantha Sayers went alone to hike that dangerous trail and mountain. She paid with her life for her mistake. She went to Bigfoot territory, a typical Missing 411 case. No dogs could pick a scent, nobody saw her on the trail on her way back home: she just vanished. Some people saw her in the mountain. Unfortunate events. Some people believe that because they are "experienced hikers" they can cheat Death out there in the wilderness.
Bob Myers Yes there is BF. There have been many sightings on the Olympic Peninsula in WA state. My daughter spends a lot of time out near Forks and Oil City when she and her husband do work for a man out there. They have heard BF push trees over, stomp, do tree knocks and grunt. Their dog can smell him or sense him somehow and he wants to climb in the truck instantly and he doesn't make a sound. After doing a lot of reading it appears BF are coming in closer to camps and communities. One has also been seen in or just outside of Quilcene on a trail near the beach of Dabob Bay. There's still a lot of treed land here and not as many people. Though it's getting to be pretty crowded for this old native of this area. I had my own sighting almost 40 years ago but I have told very few. He was tall and thin compared to what others report. But he was also a salt and pepper or mainly just grey in color. And alone he was headed to a blueberry field by a small but deep stream. Pretty sure he was old. They do exist.
You are talking about a woman that has been missing for a month..you started talking about her only a few days in..that wasn't cool AT ALL. You took advantage of this...bad taste.
I spoke about the subject with respect, using facts from my conversation with the sheriff's department and my own knowledge of search, rescue and survival. Here on Rat and cat, we search for those who have gone missing, so others can learn how to survive.
She is a Starseed. Her star family took her back home to the stars. It's that simple. This happens a lot in National Parks.
Most hunters,trappers,hikers have low to none survival skills ! Just because you go in the wildernesses most think they do ! Glad you’re channel talks about this sure it has already save a life!! Many Thanks!!
👍🏼
I agree that animals attack much more often than we are taught. I also think that rockfalls bury people more often than we think and sinkholes and forgotten open shaft mines swallow people then backfill themselves in the process more often than we collectively think. I think just these things can account for many (but not all) of the "Missing 411" mysteries.
Great information for future hikers. It breaks my heart that her Mother is so certain she is alive. As a Mother, I can certainly understand that hope, however, the common sense part of me knows this young lady is deceased. Praying for this family.
I get that, however, we all should know it's been 27 days, the probability is not great, too many things to factor in. I do pray she is though, that would be wonderful.
Right on. Your info is getting us smarter. well, definitely less naive. Thank you
I will try and not be crude with how I tell this story... I’ve been out hunting in the entiat range of the cascades for many years, I recall one outing where I was moving through some thick trees at about the 5,000 foot elevation, I stumbled onto a deer buried under debris with just the legs poking out of the pile of miscellaneous forest material. The hairs on my back immediately stood up. There were obvious markings on the ground from the cat scratching and moving debris over the deer. Needless to say I backed out there gun drawn and alert. If a cat did take a person/hiker, they will drag its kill away and bury it. this is another thing search and rescue need to take into consideration if the animal component is considered in a missing persons search. Cougars rarely confront their prey, they will take prey from behind, the side or from above. So be aware of your of surroundings especially if your under trees, rocks or over hangs.
Those woods, that area, so something black like Bigfoot in those woods, and something is in that tree behind the car, clocking...
Extreme climbing seems adrenaline rush and self indulgence building, where as hiking and trekking (in my opinion) is endurance and strength of Spirit building. Very interesting info, please keep um coming lol! We’re getting to Zion for the 1st time by month’s end, Thanks partly to these vid’s
Cool! What a beautiful area!
I agree with what you've said. Where she hiked was not your typical "out for a day hike" type location. She may have hiked it a thousand times before, all it takes is once. She probably lost her footing and fell. It's unfortunate and extremely sad. It's a sad situation all the way around. I understand they have stopped "officially" looking for her, but her friends and family will continue. I hope no one else becomes hurt in the process. The searching for her apparently has been extremely dangerous.
When Death comes for you, it does not matter where you hide, or how "experienced" hiker you are, or how young, or how wealthy you are. If Death is there to get you, it will get you not matter what
How true....
I can't understand that girl who had a boyfriend but went to the wilderness alone! I always struggled to have boyfriends and even when I have one, no one ever wanted to go camping or hiking etc. And her boyfriend did like it.
I tried to go hiking alone but a woman in a forest alone risks a lot. And one time I went there I couldn't sleep at all all night because I was scared as hell. I had to sleep a bit in the morning when it wasn't dark any more and then go further.
If you have such a luck to have a bf who loves hiking, it's a really bad idea to do it alone.
Sorry I missed your live feed. You are doing such good work! Thank you!
Dont hike alone
NIKIA, IS THERE ANY UPDATE ON SAMANTHA? THIS CASE, IS JUST SO SAD TO ME! AGAIN, THAT TERRAIN IS SO ROUGH, EVEN FOR PROS, SHE HAD NO BUSINESS DOING THIS ALONE, BECAUSE INJURY IS SO PROBABLE ON THAT MOUNTAIN!!!!🤔😪
Yeah. She has done it several times before, as I recall. I wonder what was different this time?
@@RatandCat in the last conversation with her daughter before the hike, lisa says something about sam wanting to do a trail(?), a route(?) she had never done before. no one knew what that meant.
@@samcrabby2050, interesting.
Sorry I missed the live video . I agree with the bear spray . Bear spray is extremely effective but I also carry a big gun . I am by myself along ways in the woods.The Lord makes me feel alive. doing things with my wife. And getting on my dual sport and going miles out in the forest where it's only me bigfoot and the wind. These things make me feel alive. Seriously I have talked with people that had issues out there and most all of them say if you pay attention have a gut feeling somethings wrong .Don't ignore those feelings.
Yes, Eaglerider, there's a lot to listening to your gut. Thanks for sharing what inspires you too.
A gun to kill the animals whose home is the forests you are hiking? I bet the Lord does not approve that. Do you know that many hunters, many people carrying guns into forests have gone missing, vanished forever, even when they were hunting, hiking with others? Wild animals do not attack people just because....Respect their lives when you are in THEIR territory, THEIR HOME
you cannot kill an interdimensional creature like a Bigfoot, or Sasquatch
@@breadandcircus1 , i find that wild animals, like most farm animals, two key motivations are food and fear. In the attacks I mentioned, the people didn't have weapons, and were simply making their way down a path. What are your thoughts about that?
Those people either scared those wild animals, or invaded their territory. The animals reacted normally to what they perceived like aggression. To carry a gun to kill wild animals in case they attack people when they invade THEIR HOME, is grotesque. People know that when they go to forests, to bear territory what to expect. They should take precautions, use non-lethal methods to scare the animals like spray, make freaking NOISE to signal animals you are in the vicinity. Animals hate people, they run away when they see them
Love hearing your advice, just did a hike up to Silverstar, up Eds trail side. That was scary to say the least! Going to post a video soon of it.
Nice. It's beautiful up there. Why scared? It's a modest peak. If you got the proper gear, there's not much to be afraid of.
@@RatandCat it was more of the sheer cliffs and shale footings. I was carrying 2 cameras on the hike, that was the scary part lol. It was beautiful!! No bigfoot sightings
Heres the video link if you are interested. It came out beautifully ua-cam.com/video/qKO4czRx_U0/v-deo.html
On my national park trips this summer, I noticed that from summits, it is hard to tell where the path down begins because there are the appearance of many bare dirt paths thru the rocks and bushes at the summit. Many times there is no indication up there of where the correct path down is. The park service really needs to do a better job of putting up more frequent markers, especially over rocky balds and summits. It is a good idea to turn around and mark the appearance of the path you are on, especially when you enter a bald rocky area. When you get to the top, turn around and mark where you are coming off the path, so you can take the same one back down. Build a little cairn or something. Don't change your mind about your planned route down once you get up there or decide to take another path that looks interesting, shorter, or easier from above. Keep to the trail and keep to your path. I didn't have a Garmin inreach. They are wonderful and Guthooks app is great also. I do have Alltrails but couldn't use it! NO signal in the Sierras and Rockies! I also noted how many people wore clothing with colors that blended into the landscape - impossible to see from the air, or rescue team. Wear loud bright unnatural colors, and have gear with them also. Don't wear black, grey, blue or green or brown! Orange and red is the way to go!
It's not a matter of if it's a matter of when..
I've been riding motorcycles most of my life, and that when happened five years ago.
Still ride but be aware it's a risk for anything that you do.
You're in Natures playground, guess who's going to be the toy?
I've been stalked by mountain lions a couple times, it's not a good feeling if your 20 miles out in the mountains alone.
Not a good feeling just 20 yards from a parking lot onto a trail..
They are quick and they are Quiet, they are around and you don't know it.
RIP to Sam. Her bf did not go on hike with her so possible tension in the relationship. She was probably on a personal level sometimes hard to deal with. Maybe stemming from the Alopecia making her personal view of herself hard to find attractive. Maybe her business was not doing great. She was living her best life on Social Media. Don't know if that was to cover pain.. She descended a dangerous less traveled way down. Why? Because she wanted to jump and self delete. She self deleted because of her negative view of herself stemming from the Alopecia. She picked a day that she knew her bf could not hike with her and she deleted herself. Sad..
For a video titled "Samantha Sayers,,,," I watched and heard nothing about her, was the info deleted ?
Love your videos Nikia! I share on FB and with my family. Thank you.
Thanks, laswan!
Great episode man ! Cheers
Thanks! I need to catch up on your adventures.
THANKS FOR REPLYING HERE, NOKIA! I DONT HAVE A COMPUTER SO IM LIMITED! JUST UA-cam!! I DO FOLLOW YOUR EVERY MOVE AND FILM! BE CAREFUL OUT THERE!!, YOURE ALONE ALOT!!!!!👍
Jacob Gray being found just this week is still a mystery to me. His bike and trailer were found alongside the Sol Duc River and they had found a place on the bank where it looked like he fell in and climbed back out. But they found his remains in a remote area. His bike was found where he fell in right after the fact. There aren't many details yet. My heart goes out to his loved ones.
Very interesting. Signs of paradoxical undressing from hypothermia. Alarming how risky that is.
I learned of this in a video you did awhile back. I think many of the missing in our National Parks could be victims of this. And it only has to be about 40 degrees and the poor conditions?
So Jacob left his bike and trailer next to the river, and walked 10 miles to the lake and he died on the lake's grounds? This is absurd, very strange
Why would Jacob would abandon his bike and walk 10 miles? It makes no sense. Missing 411 case, no doubts.
breadandcircus1 I agree. I am reading comments on FB Find Jacob Gray and it said he was found... Near Hoh Lake about 10 miles from the Sol Duc trailhead i believe. How and why did he hike 10 miles and leave his bike and gear along the river and seen by the highway? I think he had taken some but little gear with him and no mention of food. And it's said they found marks in the moss on a rock where he had slipped and scrape marks (by hands) where he had climbed back out. That was a long time ago on a search. The pieces don't fit but we may learn more. Not so sure about a Missing 411 case here.
Wish i can carry a gun, but here, in Quebec Canada, it's not possible
WHY?
I enjoy your videos. I myself used to explore when horseback riding but sadly I no longer have horses and therefore don’t go into the wilderness anymore. I have also been made aware of the risks through 411 as well as Rat and cat. I can say I won’t be hiking in the wilderness myself. I have become afraid to do that through my awareness plus’s I’m much more into the lazy way these days. I have become very interested in the people who go missing in our wilderness not because I think there are sashquash because I don’t know if there are any but I think it’s a lot of people missing not to question where they are. Thank you for the great videos I love the pictures you get of your trecks into the wilderness plus you do great investigative work on the missing people. Thanks
In the news today: Grizzly attacks family
www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/08/24/yellowstone-bear-attack-mother-grizzly-charges-chases-10-year-old/1087722002/
Bear spray drove off the bear.
Thank you Bob!
One reason mountain lions are more aggressive is that in early history they were often treed and held there by dogs. Lions associated dogs with danger and kept a distance..As the practice of treeing died out, cougars are bolder to approach and even stalk humans. Our ancestors knew what we have forgotten.
There's only been sixteen fatal Mountain Lion attacks in the past Century...
facebook.com/events/284757798922558/ Here is his memorial
It is to my knowledge that sasquatch are rock throwers with deadly accuracy.
What gets me is the fact she was packed for a day hike. Yes I can see that if you are in a camp around or near your vehicle.
The fact of the matter is she was not prepared. 1) She did not have a survival kit with several days worth of food. 2) She did not have a firearm. What I like to do is at a minimum is have a .22 rifle or pistol AND a pump action .177 pellet gun. one resource that everyone ignores is the BIRDS. That is one steady supply of food that you are trying to trap which is very hard and time intensive.. Just pump up the pellet pistol and drop them
I also like to get to know an area before I head into it by taking SHORT hikes and then make ever bigger walking circles. Learn the lay of the land so to speak
She did not deserve what has happened but she could have been way better prepared
Not attacking just sayin
I'm sorry but I'm kinda wrapped my head around the fact that Jacob's remains were found I think a week ago. He was hiking where my kids and I have worked and played so it was so personal to me. My heart is broken.
Did they find Samantha? I'm sorry if you said and I missed that. Prayers being said for her and her loved ones as well as for Jacob and his.
My understanding is that they haven't found Sayers yet. Strange when it hits near home. Sobering.
Sobering indeed. Jacob had been staying in my town before he went on that hike. My daughter and her husband go up to the Lake Crescent/Sol Duc area often and they ran into some early on searchers who had run across some clothing and gear which I think was actually Jacob's. His mom recognized the things. I really wonder how he ended up 10 miles and in a 'remote' area where he was found? Especially leaving his bike and the bike trailer. Which soon after the park rangers pick that stuff up for safe keeping I guess. I don't think he had even been reported as missing at that point.
It doesn't look promising for Samantha and I hate to say that. I hope they find her soon. I have thought about Jacob so often since April 2017. It has to be so hard for family. Maybe his family can at least find some closure and try to move on so they can live again. I can't imagine how tough it must be to not know where or what happened to your child. Nikia thank you agaiin.
Samantha Sayers has not been found. Dogs did not pick a scent. She vanished
Read what I wrote about James Griffin, who went missing in National Olympic park too and was found dead from hypothermia. Jacob Gray died in strange circumstances too. Same national park
Is that river a big one? So strange
I don't stay in the states so what's happened to Sam .?
She went to hike and climb a mountain alone and did not return
His sister (Mallory) has a FB page. I think it's Find or Finding Jacob Gray. I hope I got that right.
People healing from injuries going for short hikes in the forests go missing. Many old people, children, depressed people, people with health problems vanish in the wilderness. I wonder if the baldness of Samantha Sayers was like a magnet for interdimensional creatures ? Many times they pick on the different ones, the vulnerable ones, THEY KNOW, they can "read" people venturing into the wilderness
Very sad. But had she been an experienced hiker, she would have returned on the same trail she went up on. Her body is probably at the bottom of some ravine off the side of the mountain. Shortcuts or wrong turns on steep mountains will not end well...May she rest in peace and condolences to her family and friends....
I wonder if all those ravines were looked by SAR people. If she is not at the bottom of one those ravines, if she did not fall from that mountain, she was taken by the interdimensional creatures roaming US wilderness, or she was a victim of foul play. Very sad case. But whom in her right mind, what woman, what man would go to hike alone in such a treacherous trail, to climb that dangerous mountain? She was not very wise. She believed she was superior to Nature, an "experienced" hiker. That is NOTHING when you are alone there, facing Nature. You can be experienced, have a gun, transponder, all the gear, and if it's time for you to die, you die no matter what
Her mom did not want her to go and her daughter replied "I'll be ok mom"...mom's intuition was right
Woah. She's not "dead" until there is a dead body. That's foul to even say.
In my opinion Jacob Gray was victim of cryptids in the wilderness. James Griffin went to National Olympic park just for a short hike in December of 2014. He knew the area very well. He was in good health, 60 years old, and he was healing from a broken leg. He was in the Hot Springs taking a bath, and people saw him on the trail at 4 PM on December 21, when he was returning to the trailhead where his car was parked. Guess what? He never returned. He was found dead -hypothermia, the coroner said- above a vertical rock wall, 1,000 feet, a giant boulder, in thick bushes. The park spokeswoman could not explain why, how he could climb that impossible rock wall if his leg was not OK, why he threw his backpack just 50 feet away from the trail, and went climbing that wall in pitch black night. Why, if he knew like the palm of his hand the way to the trailhead? He was found just 3/4 of mile off the trailhead. This case haunts me. There is NO WAY James climbed that 1,000 feet vertical wall of pure rock. In my opinion the dark supernatural forces in the wilderness took his life. James Griffin was found about a month after he went missing. BEWARE OF PLACES WITH BOULDERS, CREEKS AROUND: MANY PEOPLE VANISH IN THOSE AREAS.
I have a friend who goes up there often though she hasn't in the last few months that I know of. She goes alone or sometimes with a couple of friends. They do a lot of horseback trail riding. She's in her early 40's but I think there has always been women like her. Not me. I'm afraid in the dark and I would never go alone. I never used to camp in campgrounds because that's how my family was when I was a kid. But today I think it's safer to stay in campgrounds. Had a couple of experiences many years ago while camped alone with my husband and our 2 yr old son. A couple of guys who had been drinking heavily wandered into our camp on foot. Said they had been partying up on a mountain and decided to leave during the night. I was just cleaning up the breakfast dishes when they showed up. It was unnerving to me. Fortunately there was no trouble but it made me think about some things.
I don't recall the story of James Griffin but I must have known of it. Sounds awful and similar to David Paulides Missing 411 cases. BTW, Rusty West has some great videos of people gone missing in different National and State Parks. He is on You Tube. I will search James Griffin and see what I can find. Thank you.
James Joseph Griffin from Port Los Angeles, he went missing on December 21, 2014 at National Olympic park, Hot Springs trail. He was found dead in strange circumstance's in January of 2015. A case that baffles me. I don't believe for one second, Jim climbed a 1,000 feet tall boulder, a vertical, impossible one, no way when he knew the trail, no way in pitch black night, no way if he was healing from a broken leg
Whats up with ur eye balls the first few mins of the video........its prob a glitch but it looks like ur eyelids are closed and u have eyes drawn on ur eyelids or maybe im a lil crazy!!!!!
Take care, krissy ur neighbour up north.....eh!!!lol
Hi Krissy. Yeah, that's a weird encoding glitch. It was live so I can't re-upload it or change it.
Samantha Sayers went alone to hike that dangerous trail and mountain. She paid with her life for her mistake. She went to Bigfoot territory, a typical Missing 411 case. No dogs could pick a scent, nobody saw her on the trail on her way back home: she just vanished. Some people saw her in the mountain. Unfortunate events. Some people believe that because they are "experienced hikers" they can cheat Death out there in the wilderness.
There is no such thing as bigfoot and hanging on to a fairy tale just distracts from reality of any situation.
Bob Meyers tell that to the thousands who have reported sightings... yes they do
Bob Myers
Yes there is BF. There have been many sightings on the Olympic Peninsula in WA state. My daughter spends a lot of time out near Forks and Oil City when she and her husband do work for a man out there. They have heard BF push trees over, stomp, do tree knocks and grunt. Their dog can smell him or sense him somehow and he wants to climb in the truck instantly and he doesn't make a sound. After doing a lot of reading it appears BF are coming in closer to camps and communities. One has also been seen in or just outside of Quilcene on a trail near the beach of Dabob Bay. There's still a lot of treed land here and not as many people. Though it's getting to be pretty crowded for this old native of this area. I had my own sighting almost 40 years ago but I have told very few. He was tall and thin compared to what others report. But he was also a salt and pepper or mainly just grey in color. And alone he was headed to a blueberry field by a small but deep stream. Pretty sure he was old. They do exist.
That's just your opinion. Thousands of people's testimonies about Bigfoot, Sasquatch cannot be lies
S. Can: Bos Meyers must be liberal and atheist, lol
You are talking about a woman that has been missing for a month..you started talking about her only a few days in..that wasn't cool AT ALL. You took advantage of this...bad taste.
I spoke about the subject with respect, using facts from my conversation with the sheriff's department and my own knowledge of search, rescue and survival. Here on Rat and cat, we search for those who have gone missing, so others can learn how to survive.