hello since mr color thinner & leveling thinners are banned in taiwan ( so i heard) what is the best subustitute can i use the tamiya laquer thinner for my mr colors?
Hi, yes you can, it is a very similar product. If you can the obtain Tamiya Lacquer Thinner Retarder type, it is a good substitute for Mr Levelling Thinner. Thank you for watching us from Taiwan, it mean s a lot to us!
Nice walk through on the different modeling thinners, good to hear as I am not as familiar with the hobby items. With the full scale car paint/materials, the different thinners, fast, medium and slow come into play with the different environments you are spraying in.
You see a lot of U Tubers showing you with all the hard work in building and details let it all down at the end with the paint finished model and you can see the camera picks up the paint finishes really well and you see many times that the paint didn't level itself plus they are not using enough thinners and wrong pressure , you see that pebble look that is too rough and out of scale. Painting is a whole seperate skill outside model construction building that you need to master and practice. You need to learn the different ratios of paint, thinner , air pressures , needle sizes for different results to achieve in scale and leveled out paint finishes . What you are able to tell, is many of these people are not using the " Leveling Thinners" , they use the normal thinners and it's drying too quick as it is coming off the air brush . Then paint won't level out and you see the micro dots spray patterns on the finished results thats picked by the camera . You really must use leveling thinners it could be that most people are finding it hard to buy so just using normal thinners .There is also Mr Hobby replenishing agent thinners in the 400 size .
The Rapid Thinner is also recommended when spraying metallic paint as it suppose to aid in the alignment of metal particles producing a more realistic metal finish.
Excelente explicacion del uso de los productos Mr Hobby, recien estoy dando el salto de las pinturas enamel, que realmente son muy toxicas, y bastante faciles de usar, sin imprimacion en la mayoria de los casos, pero ahora comence con las acrilicas y encontre estas Mr Hobby y tamiya que son toxicas pero no tanto, aun asi tenia dudas que acabo de aclarar Gracias saludos desde Chile
Tamiya Air Brush Cleaner, Mr Hobby Tool Cleaner are two that hobby stores carry. I use Lacquer Thinner from the paint or hardware store. Use all safety precautions when using these chemicals!
You'll see that using leveling thinner for primer, metallics, and clear coats the effects can be achieved the same way with just a little bit of experience and knowledge. Like for instance, using leveling thinner for primer; itl still leave a flat and matt surface for the base coats to adhere and still having a smooth flat result for base coat. From there you can decide how you wanto approach clear top coat, you can thinner either gloss or Matt and still achieve flat gloss and flat matt. For metallics youl get a really good smooth finish thinning it leveling thinner and then apply flat coat and youl get something similar to using rapid thinner but with the leveling thinner itl be way smoother and more of a machine look that alot of people love on gundam model kits. I personally never use rapid thinner or the regular thinner anymore as mr hobby laquers always have a way to achieve same results in different ways and different results in same ways but this is like different psi to quality of airbrushes or even like that how far or close you are spraying. These are the reasons why I stick with laquers for the versatility and ease of use. But that's just me lol
Fantastic video!!! Please allow me a question : can we mix at a ratio 1/1 mr color thinner and mr rapid thinner so as to have a result properties somewhere between these two? Greetings from Greece/Corfu.
@@gordongriffith9047 For the best gloss finishes use Mr Color Levelling thinner or Tamiya Lacquer Thinner, Retarder type. You want a slower drying time for the paint to lay on smoothly.
Sorry ,no, at least in my experience. You can use it in Tamiya Acrylic, Tamiya Lacquer, Mr Aqueous and Mr. Color. It is a lacquer type thinner and will do nasty things to water based acrylics.
@@hobcen But Acrysion and Aqueous are Water based Acrylics though? So I think Hobby Color Thinner 400 should work with Vallejo paints because their catalogue says "This thinner contains alcohol for faster drying, though the Aqueous Hobby Color may be diluted with tap water"
The way it works is water can be used with Tamiya & Aqueous. It is not as effective as an alcohol thinner however, in my experience alcohol makes Vallejo and similar paints go lumpy and clog my airbrush.
Thank you so much, This was the perfect info I was looking for, I was looking to buy some but didn't know witch one, Now I do, thanks from Marc at BluestreekCustoms UA-cam channel.🤩
Great question! I know when you add retarder to paint, you should not exceed 10 per cent. If you're thinning your paints say at 50, one might try 5 per cent as a first test? Perhaps one of our viewers can weigh in.
I made the mistake of using the hobby color thinner with standard mr. hobby paints. not a fun time. caused the pigments the clump up and separate from the the rest of the paint.
You put the alcohol thinner in the lacquer paint? Yeah, not fun....you can put the lacquer thinner in the aqueous paints though. We need minor degrees in chemistry!!
Hi I got a question I paint with airbrush and I going to useMr. Color C13 Semi-Gloss Neutral Gray 10ml I want to know what kind of pregnant do I need to get
I'm assuming you mean thinner. Mr Color requires their brand thinner or the Mr Levelling Thinner if you want a slower dry time and smoother finish. Mr.Color is the solvent based paint, you could use Tamiya Lacquer thinners as well if you have them on hand.
Rapid thinner is best for achieving flatter finishes. Adding Mr Retarder might bring it back to being similar to regular Mr color thinner? Experiment with various mixes on something you don't care about before going to your current project.
There is one Huge thing confusing everyone... 'Lacquer' Acrylic Paints have 3 basic Thinners. Water, 'Acrylic Thinner' [water+additives], Alcohol [there are different types of Alcohol]. Vallejo is Water Based. MIG is also Water Based, but with more additives. Tamiya is Alcohol Based which is why it dries so fast. X-20 Thinner is actually Denatured Alcohol. Isopropyl Alcohol doesn't work well with Tamiya Paint, but not at all with the Water Based Paints. Lacquer is the confusing one, because they don't say Acrylic Lacquer! Acrylic Lacquer is also Alcohol Based, but with more additives. I use Lacquer Thinner [the Real Thing! Oil Base] to clean my Air Brush. It Does Not With Any Acrylic Paint, it's Oil Based!!! This is also important when it comes to Flow Improvers and Drying Retarders!!! Some F Improvers and D Retarders Won't work with Alcohol Based Paints, they are Water Based and Alcohol breaks them down, Check Before Use!
All paints are acrylics. All acrylics don't work with water. The pigment and binder work with the solvent that is used to carry them to the surface being painted. Once the solvent is assigned, and the solvent is compatible with the pigment and the binder, the paint becomes that "type" and can be used and cleaned with appropriate thinners and solvents. We made an older video that covered some of this as the craft industry basically made "acrylic" synonymous with "water based". Tamiya and Mr Acqueous paints are unique in that they can be thinned with lacquer thinner, which makes them the same as their spray cans. But once you do that, they can only be further thinned or cleaned with lacquer type solvent.
When in doubt use the "smell test". You can typically tell by the smell whether it is lacquer - use Mr Color Thinner or Mr Levelling Thinner, if it smells of Alcohol, use the thinner for Aqueous paints. I have also heard of modelers thinning lacquer based metallics with Mr Rapid Thinner as it keeps the metallic effect more even because of the fast drying.
From the Manuel: Mr. COLOR THINNER: The most basic thinner for Mr. COLOR Mr. LEVELING THINNER: Slows down the drying speed. Recommended for gloss paints. Recommended for airbrushing. Mr. RAPID THINNER: Speeds up the drying speed. Recommended for matt paints and metallic paints. Mr. LEVELING THINNER or Mr. RAPID THINNER is recommended for Mr. COLOR GX series.
GSI Creos ought to pay you for these videos. It's ridiculous how they just put out dozens and dozens of products and expect people to just understand what they mean. It took me a couple hours to figure out what the difference between Mr.Mark Setter/Softer NEO and regular Mr.Mark Setter/Softer is (For anyone reading, NEO is a weaker formula. Either due to EU Chemical safety laws or because Western style decals are thinner and more delicate than thick Japanese ones so they made a weaker formula for it)
hello since mr color thinner & leveling thinners are banned in taiwan ( so i heard) what is the best subustitute can i use the tamiya laquer thinner for my mr colors?
Hi, yes you can, it is a very similar product. If you can the obtain Tamiya Lacquer Thinner Retarder type, it is a good substitute for Mr Levelling Thinner. Thank you for watching us from Taiwan, it mean s a lot to us!
@@hobcen thank you so much
Just the precise info. Excellent!
@@nicoghini thank you 🙂
Alot of guys use the rapid thinner with metalizers. It flashes quickly leaving the pigment suspended in the topcoat giving a more realistic finish
its also good for getting regular paints to make a matt finish.
Spot on. Best explanation of these products I've seen yet. Concurs with my experience.
Great explanation, that what we need, quick essential information. Thank you. Bought all of them.
Great video and great explanation. Finally my doubts have been cleared! Thanks!
Nice walk through on the different modeling thinners, good to hear as I am not as familiar with the hobby items. With the full scale car paint/materials, the different thinners, fast, medium and slow come into play with the different environments you are spraying in.
You see a lot of U Tubers showing you with all the hard work in building and details let it all down at the end with the paint finished model and you can see the camera picks up the paint finishes really well and you see many times that the paint didn't level itself plus they are not using enough thinners and wrong pressure , you see that pebble look that is too rough and out of scale.
Painting is a whole seperate skill outside model construction building that you need to master and practice. You need to learn the different ratios of paint, thinner , air pressures , needle sizes for different results to achieve in scale and leveled out paint finishes .
What you are able to tell, is many of these people are not using the " Leveling Thinners" , they use the normal thinners and it's drying too quick as it is coming off the air brush . Then paint won't level out and you see the micro dots spray patterns on the finished results thats picked by the camera . You really must use leveling thinners it could be that most people are finding it hard to buy so just using normal thinners .There is also Mr Hobby replenishing agent thinners in the 400 size .
Very good points and things modelers need to take into consideration. Thank you!
Awesome information. Thank you.
The best explanation ever ❤
Glad you liked it
Excellent explanation, just what I needed to understand the nuances in thinners! Thank you 👍
Thank you for your kind feedback. 🙂
Thank you. Excellent summary and much appreciated.
The Rapid Thinner is also recommended when spraying metallic paint as it suppose to aid in the alignment of metal particles producing a more realistic metal finish.
Thank you for sharing, that is very useful info!
just note, its recommended you buff the metal surfaces lightly to get a more Metalic feel as well.
Excelente explicacion del uso de los productos Mr Hobby, recien estoy dando el salto de las pinturas enamel, que realmente son muy toxicas, y bastante faciles de usar, sin imprimacion en la mayoria de los casos, pero ahora comence con las acrilicas y encontre estas Mr Hobby y tamiya que son toxicas pero no tanto, aun asi tenia dudas que acabo de aclarar
Gracias saludos desde Chile
Just what i needed to know! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful! We all work together to make modelling fun!
excelent info in less than 5 minutes, all doubts were answered
Thanks for this , help me a lot
You're welcome. Sharing knowledge makes us all better modelers! 🙂
Good explanation thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Bravo!
Thank you. I found this video helpful.
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Great info, thanks!
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Awesome content!
Okay, so I am late to the laquer paint party and want to know what you clean your airbrush with if using these products.
Tamiya Air Brush Cleaner, Mr Hobby Tool Cleaner are two that hobby stores carry. I use Lacquer Thinner from the paint or hardware store. Use all safety precautions when using these chemicals!
@@hobcen Thank you so much for your help sir.
very informativ.
Glad it was helpful!
You'll see that using leveling thinner for primer, metallics, and clear coats the effects can be achieved the same way with just a little bit of experience and knowledge. Like for instance, using leveling thinner for primer; itl still leave a flat and matt surface for the base coats to adhere and still having a smooth flat result for base coat. From there you can decide how you wanto approach clear top coat, you can thinner either gloss or Matt and still achieve flat gloss and flat matt. For metallics youl get a really good smooth finish thinning it leveling thinner and then apply flat coat and youl get something similar to using rapid thinner but with the leveling thinner itl be way smoother and more of a machine look that alot of people love on gundam model kits. I personally never use rapid thinner or the regular thinner anymore as mr hobby laquers always have a way to achieve same results in different ways and different results in same ways but this is like different psi to quality of airbrushes or even like that how far or close you are spraying. These are the reasons why I stick with laquers for the versatility and ease of use. But that's just me lol
Great insights. Thank you for sharing.
Fantastic video!!! Please allow me a question : can we mix at a ratio 1/1 mr color thinner and mr rapid thinner so as to have a result properties somewhere between these two? Greetings from Greece/Corfu.
I don't see why not, the logic is there. Test it and PLEASE share what you learn! :)
Wish kind of Thinner can I use for
Mr. Color C1 Gloss White 10ml
@@gordongriffith9047 For the best gloss finishes use Mr Color Levelling thinner or Tamiya Lacquer Thinner, Retarder type. You want a slower drying time for the paint to lay on smoothly.
May we use the "Mr Color LEVELLING Thinner" with water based acrylic paints like Vallejo?
Sorry ,no, at least in my experience. You can use it in Tamiya Acrylic, Tamiya Lacquer, Mr Aqueous and Mr. Color. It is a lacquer type thinner and will do nasty things to water based acrylics.
@@hobcen But Acrysion and Aqueous are Water based Acrylics though? So I think Hobby Color Thinner 400 should work with Vallejo paints because their catalogue says "This thinner contains alcohol for faster drying, though the Aqueous Hobby Color may be diluted with tap water"
The way it works is water can be used with Tamiya & Aqueous. It is not as effective as an alcohol thinner however, in my experience alcohol makes Vallejo and similar paints go lumpy and clog my airbrush.
Thank you so much, This was the perfect info I was looking for, I was looking to buy some but didn't know witch one, Now I do, thanks from Marc at BluestreekCustoms UA-cam channel.🤩
Hi there ! Would the aqueous thinner go well with water based acrylic paints like vallejo, citadel, army painter etc ?
Yes it would!
So could i make my own levelling thinner if i just mixed regular thinner with retarder? If so what would the ratio be?
Great question! I know when you add retarder to paint, you should not exceed 10 per cent. If you're thinning your paints say at 50, one might try 5 per cent as a first test? Perhaps one of our viewers can weigh in.
@@hobcen ok thank you. My local shop is out of leveling thinner but it's my preferred option so I wanted to see
Great video thank for the explanation 👊🏾 4:57
I made the mistake of using the hobby color thinner with standard mr. hobby paints. not a fun time.
caused the pigments the clump up and separate from the the rest of the paint.
You put the alcohol thinner in the lacquer paint? Yeah, not fun....you can put the lacquer thinner in the aqueous paints though. We need minor degrees in chemistry!!
Hi I got a question I paint with airbrush and I going to useMr. Color C13 Semi-Gloss Neutral Gray 10ml
I want to know what kind of pregnant do I need to get
I'm assuming you mean thinner. Mr Color requires their brand thinner or the Mr Levelling Thinner if you want a slower dry time and smoother finish. Mr.Color is the solvent based paint, you could use Tamiya Lacquer thinners as well if you have them on hand.
Hi can rapid thinner dillute with mr retarder to achieve glossier surface? Im wrongly bought it, thanks in advance
Rapid thinner is best for achieving flatter finishes. Adding Mr Retarder might bring it back to being similar to regular Mr color thinner? Experiment with various mixes on something you don't care about before going to your current project.
There is one Huge thing confusing everyone... 'Lacquer'
Acrylic Paints have 3 basic Thinners. Water, 'Acrylic Thinner' [water+additives], Alcohol [there are different types of Alcohol].
Vallejo is Water Based. MIG is also Water Based, but with more additives.
Tamiya is Alcohol Based which is why it dries so fast. X-20 Thinner is actually Denatured Alcohol. Isopropyl Alcohol doesn't work well with Tamiya Paint, but not at all with the Water Based Paints.
Lacquer is the confusing one, because they don't say Acrylic Lacquer! Acrylic Lacquer is also Alcohol Based, but with more additives.
I use Lacquer Thinner [the Real Thing! Oil Base] to clean my Air Brush. It Does Not With Any Acrylic Paint, it's Oil Based!!!
This is also important when it comes to Flow Improvers and Drying Retarders!!! Some F Improvers and D Retarders Won't work with Alcohol Based Paints, they are Water Based and Alcohol breaks them down, Check Before Use!
All paints are acrylics. All acrylics don't work with water. The pigment and binder work with the solvent that is used to carry them to the surface being painted. Once the solvent is assigned, and the solvent is compatible with the pigment and the binder, the paint becomes that "type" and can be used and cleaned with appropriate thinners and solvents. We made an older video that covered some of this as the craft industry basically made "acrylic" synonymous with "water based". Tamiya and Mr Acqueous paints are unique in that they can be thinned with lacquer thinner, which makes them the same as their spray cans. But once you do that, they can only be further thinned or cleaned with lacquer type solvent.
I thought Kentucky Bourbon was the best thinner. Oh, wait, you didn't mean blood thinner... Never mind :-)
Wish Thinner is better to use mr metallic paint
When in doubt use the "smell test". You can typically tell by the smell whether it is lacquer - use Mr Color Thinner or Mr Levelling Thinner, if it smells of Alcohol, use the thinner for Aqueous paints. I have also heard of modelers thinning lacquer based metallics with Mr Rapid Thinner as it keeps the metallic effect more even because of the fast drying.
From the Manuel:
Mr. COLOR THINNER: The most basic thinner for Mr. COLOR
Mr. LEVELING THINNER: Slows down the drying speed. Recommended for gloss paints. Recommended for airbrushing.
Mr. RAPID THINNER: Speeds up the drying speed. Recommended for matt paints and metallic paints.
Mr. LEVELING THINNER or Mr. RAPID THINNER is recommended for Mr. COLOR GX series.
Thank you. Very clear and concise.
GSI Creos ought to pay you for these videos. It's ridiculous how they just put out dozens and dozens of products and expect people to just understand what they mean. It took me a couple hours to figure out what the difference between Mr.Mark Setter/Softer NEO and regular Mr.Mark Setter/Softer is (For anyone reading, NEO is a weaker formula. Either due to EU Chemical safety laws or because Western style decals are thinner and more delicate than thick Japanese ones so they made a weaker formula for it)
Great information, thank you for sharing with all of us!