I am on a fixed income and am African American, whi , in my experience have been heavily carnivore and not really into animal rights. However I have been a great animal lover from childhood but was raised eating tons of animal products bc it was socially sanctioned. Who remembers government cheese and powdered milk? I am in my 50s and have evolved to be a True animal lover and I can no longer condone the wholesale slaughter of these beautiful creatures just to feed ungrateful humans who are tearing up the planet. Love you, Rose.
Hey friend! Just shouting out that I'm weird (also Sicilian) and don't eat animals mostly because of racial politics and worker exploitation (I'm not meaning to sound fancy. I watched Dick Gregory and I put me on). I eat on a low income and I fully get it. Indeed and of course I'm an animal, not pet, lover, too. Peace and love!
Well people talk about "The Vegan Diet" as if it's a single prescriptive diet. It's a class of diets; and of course there are healthy and unhealthy diets within that class. Same as for carnivore diets. See how long you can stay healthy by eating just bacon every day.
@@yessopiethat’s why a lot of vegans often hate at these as many carniovores think we only eat grass and starve. Because people like social media influencers disguise their disorders with “vegan” diet. They don’t truely understand a vegan diet/ lifestyle. Most of them have eating disorders or just do it to lose weight. When I was vegetarian I found raw food awesome but never tried it because of the weight loss people had.but I still was vegetarian. I started watching more videos about the dangers and more vegan content and understood that this is not a good way to do it. Some will say so and that’s okay but often when I hear a raw food vegan I think it’s due to weight loss not health. I don’t understand how someone can be okay without protein, legumes, nuts. It’s about what you eat. I don’t like raw vegan diets, only fruit, alkaline, I personally think the best is a wfpb vegan diet. But also having mock meats is ok in moderation. Most meat eaters don’t follow a balanced meal. There are different ways to get good foods. I only started to care about my health seriously when I wanted my bleached damaged hair to get better as a goal. I started to look minerals and what foods actually provide. I already don’t drink or smoke but I want to actually understand nutrition and before I was vegan i was to led to believe that weight loss is healthy. Edit: wfpb is the diet but veganism is the lifestyle. For me idc if people hate that I’m vegan, I kinda see it as my religion. I know my truth and why I’m doing it and we can both be respectful to one another. But a lot of my family members are against it and act like I’m sick when I have never felt happier and sure of a decision. Plus it helps the environment and my spending habits so it really improves my decisions in other parts of my life. I still eat burgers and sweets just without animal cruelty and animals involved :^
@@Jess11220 Real vegans also laugh at fad dieter "vegans" like raw "vegans" and fruitarian. And yes they arent real vegans because in order to be a vegan you must be doing it for ethical reasons, non-ethics-based "vegans" arent vegans, doing it for "health" or "environment" primarily is not animal rights-based and therefore not vegan. Veganism is about animal rights not fad diets.
I hated how to comment section of this video was full of people saying they thought both sides made great points, when all I heard from the meat eater side was anti-scientific and selfish excuses 🙄
@@garden.of.thistles The carnivores where terrible as expected . The vegans where not aggressive enough and not willing too call out the carnivore bs . Much too woke for my liking .
@@julienfroidevaux1143 I heard that the original debate was 3x longer then the final video, so it's very possible that the vegans were more aggressive in their replies, but the editors cut out a lot of their replies to make the conversation appear more "balanced"
Former combat athlete and nutritionist here....when women lose their period, its usually because of a very low fat, low calorie diet. I literally went through weight cuts and didnt lose my period because I was still eating a very balanced diet with some healthy fats...mostly in the form of avocados and natural nut butters.
Good for you! I've been vegan and plump for years (I had severe bulimia for a long time but never lost my period) but I've gotten into exercising and I've heard that this can be a problem for some.
In Germany we have the term "Sonntagsbraten" which refers to traditional bigger meat dishes. It was normal until the 1970 for most families to only have one big meat dish on Sundays and the rest of the week a lot of dishes were vegetarian or had only smaller amounts of meat in it (like in soup), because meat was too expensive. Eating meat on a daily basis was something that started with factory farming and people already forgot what has been normal for our parents and grandparents. 😐 One of my brothers was babysitting for me for a few weeks a decade ago and took it upon him to also cook for us. He brought an old cooking book from the 1950s he stumbled upon in our grandparents' bookshelf and the recipies were either plant based or vegetarian.
Thanks for sharing this!! Exactly - factory farming is really how and why everyone eats so much meat nowadays and somehow these people "against factory farming"want to promote a diet that can only be possible with it.... so frustrating!
@@CheapLazyVegan Amen.. Ala, such folks saying that they're 'yeah; against factoryfarming, but not against meateating, though!' Them clueless that FORTY YEARS AGO, the 'true' fair- market, (if NOT massively- subsidized) cost of meat & dairy was ALREADY estimated to (actually) be $25 per pound for meat, and the same for a gallon of dairy milk.) As Ag- scientists are repeatedly telling us that 'grassfed meat for all', done such- LARGEscale, would be impossible, without several 'Earths.' Now I hear that the industry, on top of commonly 'finishing' 'grassfed' livestock on '25%- grains', wants to deceptively label as 'grassfed', animals that're merely kept confined indoors 24/7, and the sileage (even in the form of compressed, PELLETIZED grasses), brought- indoors to them, them remaining in their stalls & pens.. About like calling chokingly-filthy, shed- confined, miserable chickens 'cage free' or even 'free range', if kept in huge sheds, in which humans must wear ammonia-filtering respirators to enter; sheds that have one TINY 'outside access door' that most birds never find; one activist finding that (birdless) 'outdoor area' provided for tens of thousands of birds, to be a mere 4'×4' fenced concrete pad. .
Also also, if any of the meat eaters actually knew about ancient humans, they'd know that meat was a very small portion of the diet because hunting with a bow and arrow on foot is a lot different than using a rifle from a tree stand on a piece of property that's been prepped to attract wild game animals. Ancient hunting took over a week to track and kill wild game in the best of circumstances. Do meat eaters think that the rest of the tribe sat around and starved waiting for the hunters to come back?
It doesn't really matter what people ate millions of years ago - ancient humans didn't have a choice but to eat whatever was around in order to survive. Some probably ate a lot of meat but since most humans didn't live past the age of thirty, it didn't matter if they were eating a diet that would cause them to have health issues in later life, such as cardiovascular disease or cancer, since they weren't going to live long enough to develop them. Life was brutish and short for the vast majority. However for people today, who have the chance to live into their 90s (and maybe beyond,) our diet doesn't need to be based on mere survival but rather on optimizing our health so we can stay healthy as long as possible. And for that the research is clear - eating more plants is going to up your chances of living a longer, healthier life although, of course, other lifestyle choices, such as getting regular exercise, also play an important part....
@@JubeiKibagamiFez In the Armageddon, the paleo/keto/carnivore people will be the first to go. Their diet relies on the modern world; we take B12 because of the modern world.
@hardcoreherbivore4730 Well, paleo is not really about meat, it about only eating vegetable that can be eaten raw, so all grains are out, most root vegetables are out, and a hand full of leafy greens are out. Paleo is suppose to be the diet before agriculture, so only wild edibles.
I feel healthy eating animals and suffer from eating plants. And after I watched lots of vegan videos, I think, no amount of guilt tripping that will stop me from being a carnivore lol.
@@piahsophia1733 You can't consume one plant product out of the many thousands available ? That sounds like made up talk like Michela Peterson that developed a foliate defiency on the carnivore.
Listening to this is frustrating! I'm on a fixed low income and my grocery bill is so low. Tofu, beans , grains, tvp, etc not expensive. I shop for produce in half price bin and can make so many different dishes. I also follow your recipes so thank you
@MichellePatterson-fx Vegan since 1989, (mostly WF, no added oils), and I STILL spend only 35%-40% as much on groceries, compared to what nonvegan friends shockedly say THEY spend, per-person.. One (UK) reporter finally accompanied a vegan mom to the supermarket, and watched in amazement as she spent only 40% as much on groceries, as-were (nonvegan) he and his friends.. Industry propagandists are really working overtime, trying to label veganism as "being for the financially PRIVILEGED!" *(As well as doggedly trying to 'redefine' veganism as 'being about everything- BUT animal rights'.)
@@deirdrehutchins1433 I've lol, been vegan for so long now, that I had to first look- up what a 'tri-tip' IS, and I see it's listed as $9.50/lb, "with an average 1.5-lb package priced at $14.25.." Wow. That certainly IS a lot of fruit n veggie dollars, Deirdre! Best wishes to you! :-)
Today for kicks, I put in a carnivore day of eating into cronometer. Good grief it was low or absent in almost all the vitamins and minerals. Not to mention no fiber at all. Today, I hit almost 100% in all categories eating only 1192 calories of whole food vegan food. Go figure.
Can just say was vegan for years - switched to carnivore and been getting excellent results-it's only been about 8 months though-perhaps too early to tell
90% of all B12 in the world is supplemented to livestock. Among other supplements. 92% of Americans are deficient and vegans are 1% in the world. Most supplements are used by nonvegans. There exists animal based supplements too. There is something called rabbit starvation where people who eat just rabbits still starve of nutrients. Many carnivores I've seen still consumed plants, like coffee because of constipation. Lifting Vegan Logic has a video on comments from carnivores saying they were experiencing health problems. Like constipation or diarrhea. Steak and Butter Gal in this Jubilee video made a video saying she got the worst diarrhea from wagyu beef.
Minute 25: I live in the PNW, folks talk about all the time how our resident Orcas don't have enough Salmon. NO WHERE EVER does the general public, government officials, etc. say, 'Hey, maybe we shouldn't be eating the Salmon" UUUUGGGGHHHH! It's exasperating. It's been hot minute since I've had the privilege of watching your videos. This was great! Thank you!
Wow, this was one of my favorite episode of Twilight Zone!!!!! Anyway, I agree with @CheapLazyVegan 1000% about not being the top of the food chain. If you ever been on an African safari, it's extremely dangerous with weapons and it's suicide without them.
You don't even have to use aliens as an example. Cause some nonvegans would write off nonexistent aliens. But you can use the example of animals, worms, or fresh eating bacteria eating people. Does that mean humans were meant to be food for them then? It's convenient how people leave out their group as "being meant to be subservient, used, or oppressed by others". Race is another example.
Also, local doesn't mean those people are ethical or that customers check up on them or are able to. Nonvegans base so many of their beliefs on fantasy. Yet they accuse vegans of that. Some people didn't even know their neighbor was a k1ller. After school sh00tings or people k1lling themselves some relatives said they didn't see any signs of that. Also, nonvegans often say local butcher or local farm and not local slaughterhouse. Many local butchers don't know how the animals were slaughtered or raised either. Many local farmers don't know how their livestock are slaughtered either. Many people don't live near slaughterhouses. Zoning and redlining often keep slaughterhouses near poor neighborhoods. Many owners want their slaughterhouses and farms far from people to hide the truth from people too. Many farmers, slaughterhouse workers, and labelling lie about being humane or they think what they are doing is humane when it isn't. They think gas chambers are humane when it isn't.
Vegan is not a diet. The problem is that there are people who believe it is. I am glad there are people who are vegan who continue to educate people about it not being a diet.
Also, not once would any of the meat eaters bring up the idea of raising an animal to old age and then eating it after it passes of natural causes. The one kept talking about "respecting and honoring" the animal, then slaughtering it, but realistically, the best way to honor an animal is to let it live it's whole life and let nature take it's coarse.
I haven't heard carnivores talk about lab meat either. Some even ignorantly spoke against it without knowing about it. Ron Desantis banned lab meat in Florida.
It's great that you want to change! Please don't wait no longer. Every day you wait, animals are exploited, tortured and killed on your behalf. Please be kind and go vegan not "this year", but today.
Slavery as a whole, included all races. In the present, there are many people still being trafficked..tortured and murdered.. It's to bring light to the injustice animals go through.
Yeah, most of them dismiss nutrition science as conspiratorial, and they say things like cholesterol and saturated fat is good for you and that fiber is bad for you. All their 'evidence' is anecdotal. I find it truly bizarre.
@@jayeshpatel9854, they're absurdly exaggerating. The human body does need a small amount of cholesterol and (non-saturated) fat, but there's basically no chance any person would end up deficient of those, and that's true even if a person eats a plant-based diet. The human body can produce this small amount cholesterol that it needs, and the small amount of needed fat is available in the plant foods. The animal-based foods overwhelm the body with way too much of these substances.
Change pig or cow to cat or dog and none of them would be talking about "respecting the animal". They would be screaming murder. They hypocrisy is real. lol
Thank you for still being vegan. I'm getting so tired of these "no longer vegan" stories. About to be 8 years for my girls and I. I could never imagine going back to anything other than vegan for the animals.
I had a nice non vegan person just yesterday be surprised at finding out I am not just vegan in eating, but in clothing, etc. she walked away impressed and surprised, saying that's commitment. 😂 if someone is just vegan eating, I don't really consider them vegan since it's not a diet, but a lifestyle choice. Sometimes when people hear you're vegan from choice and not some allergy, they write you off as privileged. It can also be looked at as having principles you stick to of not purposely being involved in violence against animals. When I watch animal lover videos and comments about how all animals deserve safety and love, I always think that those people should be vegan too instead of saying that and then eating a hamburger or steak or drinking milk. 😊
Sadly, I have heard meat eaters, or as I call them, opportunistic necrovores because they eat beings that are conveniently killed for them (except for the guy who hunts himself) but a lot of them will say that because they said a prayer and thanked the animal when it died, that, that’s how they justify it
I have been living a fully vegan lifestyle for 7 years, driven by ethical reasons. It wasn’t easy at first, as I spent a long time creating a balanced diet, but now I feel proud and healthy. I’ve always known that there are many incredible dishes that don’t rely on animal products, especially in Middle Eastern cuisine, which is part of my cultural heritage. Dishes like flavorful dips, hearty stews, and fresh salads are not just part of my background but also perfect examples of how diverse and delicious a vegan lifestyle can be. The same applies to other cuisines, like Indian, offering endless delightful plant-based options.
I couldn't even watch this video on jubilee, I knew from go that the carnivore side would just be a bunch of pathetic, parroted excuses to continue doing the unthinkably horrific to countless innocent animals. I appreciate this channel. ❤
Some of the questions were unfair, such as "were animals put on earth as meat for people?" Cause of course vegans couldn't step forward and be able to counter the nonvegans on that.
@ same! I guess people who eat tons of meat alternatives and other processed vegan convenience foods might struggle financially a bit, but if you’re eating whole plant foods it’s more affordable than carnivore for sure. Even eating avocados daily is cheaper than eating meat daily.
@@tarabooartarmy3654Yeah, those processed alternatives are expensive but beans, lentils and tofu are very affordable. People can literally make their own meat alternatives using those.
That's how I justify my Rancho Gordo bean habit -- sure they're several times the price of grocery store beans but they're still cheaper than steak! (And wow are they excellent.) Processed vegan food has never interested me, fortunately.
WTF, so the meat eaters think animal rights are just as important as human rights, but still think they can go into the woods, shoot an animal & get legally away with it? WTF! Imagine someone going into the city and doing the same to humans & get legally away with it -WTF! I love your vegan talk videos. Keep them coming 💚🐾🌱
Great video, great points. Bella the carnivore one has dogs you made a good comparison for her. It doesn’t make sense to me her logic to defend eating meat and I was in that community for three years.
I love this video! It was so satisfying to watch because you expressed everything I have been thinking and feeling about this carnivore/anti-vegan nonsense but struggled to put into words.
I'm honestly so done with jubilee at this point. They keep platforming extremely harmful ideas under the guise of compromise, when they're really just trying to rile people up. I appreciate you responding to all these points thoroughly. I totally agree that there is no good way to justify eating meat when you look at it from an animal rights perspective - which is what veganism is actually about. It reminds me of the "chickens" episode of bojack horseman if anyone's seen it, essentially it shows how it really doesn't matter if it's a factory farm or a free range farm if at the end of the day the animal is gonna be killed. Also you're spot on with the point at 15:00. Trying to say that beings were put on earth for a specific purpose is a classic blueprint for oppression. We see this a lot with transphobia these days, where people try to claim that people have certain "purposes" based on their sex. It's disgusting and people should know by now that we're all just beings trying to live our lives.
Yeah. Some nonvegans suddenly pretend to defend cultures or ethnic cultures, but many cultures and ethnic cultures increased in animal products because of westernization or modernization. Watch Dr Milton Mills on how most ethnic people are lactose intolerant. Some nonvegans ignorantly overly paint all our ancestors as eating a high amount of animal products, but then say the opposite and accuse vegans of forcing people to eat peasant food.
So on point Rose. These righteous meat eaters who say they respect animals before eating them is just them justifying murder so they can sleep at night. Or they’re just fully lying because they have a camera pointed at them. Just be real and say you care more about yourself than you do about the well being of animals. These people are so annoying. They need to watch this video and get some truthful insight and perspective. ❤️
You mean "self righteous" nonvegans because these nonvegans aren't righteous. Also, Vegan47 said we shouldn't call nonvegans meat eaters. Because that reduces veganism to a diet.
@ who is vegan47? And how exactly does word choice reduce veganism to a diet? Genuinely curious. Clearly I was being sarcastic when I said “righteous” but sure.
Thank you so much for this! It is so good to learn about arguments you can say when you talk to an avid meat eater. I’ve been plant based for 11 years now, since I got diagnosed with MS, and I’ve never felt better (except for certain symptoms) and I haven’t gotten any new scars since then. Besides, I love the impact it has on animal welfare, the planet and my spirituality. Love your channel! 🤩
When meatheads say they only eat meat they've hunted, I don't believe them. You're telling me you never ever eat meat from a restaurant and are completely vegan except for things you've hunted? Get real!!
That vegan to carnivore person gives me the ED vibes. People with ED uses “I’m vegan” as an excuse to themselves and to others that they’re not eating. That person was never actually a vegan imo.. that person was living plant based. Don’t think they know what respecting an animal means. Def so much mental gymnastics to excuse their violent way of eating.. loved this video Rose 🖤🖤🖤
I pay less than $150 a month in food, but of course I’m not eating out at all ever. This is the healthiest version of plant only diet called Whole Foods based. It might be possible to get that cheap on an omnivore diet but it’s definitely harder. By the way, my health on this diet is excellent and it’s solved my high cholesterol problem. That was eight years ago and it’s still fine.
To say that you're somehow honoring the innocent, non-human being which you are about to eat, is absolutely absurd. Oh yeah, thank you so much for speaking up for the voiceless.
I feel that carnivore "steak and butter" girl is psychotic. She would rather lie as if being vegan was only about diet (Yes, Rose..you are right)..horrible and doesn't eat dairy due to her health?? Yet, we see her posting on her channel eating dairy?
Okay, calling someone psychotic is not the move. How are Vegans who experience psychosis supposed to feel about that? We cannot be against some forms of opression and use other's to justify our beliefs. I agree with what youa re saying just wanted to point that out
Great vid. I love these. What definitely bugged me the most out of the jubilee video was that they kept talking about veganism as a diet. Especially when they talked about health. Like ok because you claim you need to eat meat to survive all of a sudden your going to zoos and buying leather now? Also that carnist girl was shown buying her meat from Costco, and Kirkland is absolutely a factory farm, she straight up lied about where she buys her meat!
Lifting Vegan Logic had a short on Steak and Butter Gal from the Jubilee video saying she was for "ethical animal products" and all that, but had a clip of her buying from McDonald's. She was the one that even posted that. Do they not know people can see the evidence of their lies?
I’m with you Rose My back story, had to have meat for every meal. Health was going south. I was living in New Orleans, a waiter and party thrower. Back in 2015, After watching “Forks over Knives” ….. well , shift happens. First for health. Short story, my health problems melted away in a matter of three weeks. Within 6 weeks my pot gut and 35 ponds melted away. So first it was for health reason …… didn’t take long for the animal rights reality became part of my heart. Then, I was fine dining waiter at a world famous restaurant in the French Quarter , I was a very good waiter with 30 years in the hospitality industry. Tell you what Rose, in the wake of my shift, I had to disconnect my personal ethics every day I went to work…… selling veal with enthusiasm, and knowing there were multiple murders on every fork. In 2020, I had to walk away. Thanks for the video Rose, I’m with you. And to let you know, I purchased the bundle this morning.
if anyone reading this comment hasn't read "Tender is the Flesh" or ""Cadáver Exquisito" by Agustina Bazterrica, please do! definitely speaks to the speciesism & hypocrisy of an omnivore/carnivore-predominant society...only pushed to the extreme. read it a few months ago & canNOT stop thinking about it! definitely recommend. // i also feel like i watched this entire jubilee video & lost so many brain cells. as a primary care doctor, it is deeply disturbing to see how quickly & freely misinformation is spread with such ease.
The people who switch are grifters. Like if you actually cared and wanted to be vegan, youd see a doctor and nutritionist and see WHY you lost your period. I have period issues and i just see my doctor. Guess what? Its thyriod problems 😂
Honestly I've never lost my period even when I had a ed as a teenager. When I Became vegan I had a better relationship with food. I could never wrap my head around the fact that we ate animals.
Something I have never heard anyone talk about is that some people use their diet as a way to garner attention, especially on social media. On privilege:: "Studies often show a correlation between veganism and higher income brackets, suggesting that people with higher disposable income may be more likely to adopt a vegan diet."
Something to note, the girl in white (I can't remember her name) there's no evidence of her being vegan, I looked through all her social media accounts, and on her oldest insta post, she has a comment referencing her other posts (that no longer exist) and mentioning how she makes nice food, that post (if I remember) was her at a steak house. So not only did she erase all her content prior to (I think) 4 years ago, but she has comments from people who have no issues with her being at a steak house, talking about how the food she previously posted looks nice. If she was on a plant based diet prior to jumping onto the carnivore diet, why didn't any of her followers question her being at a steak house, instead of saying how they like the food she posts, or why she deleted all those posts but will happily show photo's of her skin, claiming a plant based diet caused acne and the carni diet fixed her skin, you'd also expect her oldest post being her specifically talking about or referencing her change. Everything about her social media screams fraud, which makes sense since she has already been called out for lying on that show.
Im a poor vegan college student. I eat a lot of black beans, apples, and nuts. I can get a week's worth of black beans for less than $10. Just saying. You dont have to be rich.
Without mentioning slavery, holocausts, and other human-centered analogies, how can one get through to a speciesist? If they don't care about the animals they kill, I guess you can appeal to other species they wouldn't kill/eat. Either way, you can't appeal to empathy for people severely lacking empathy.
I think maybe I didn’t articulate this well- I think there’s a way of bringing up slavery and other human atrocities but you need to be quite careful with your wording and be very intentional at explaining speciesism !
@CheapLazyVegan I wouldn't expect such people to be honest actors. They will play the victim to avoid accountability for their part in current atrocities. I think walking on egg shells to "convince" someone they are doing something bad is not a strong move. I realize that will put some people off, but it's real and those lacking empathy are not going to come around anyway, at least not until it clicks for them personally.
Hi Hi! Black Vegan here! I think the best way to go about it is to refer to Vegans of that oppressed/marginalized group! Even if your wording is kind, it may still offend some because you are the deliverer, simply put. BUT if you want to try, I suggest caring, being involved in (respectfully), and fighting the oppression that that marginalized group experiences along side Speciesism. If you are not, you're not only being hypocritical to you own point, but you are not gaining any respect from the people you are talking about or to.
@@joshmargulis3750I disagree. Sometimes you won't convince others and they have to arrive their on their own, yes. BUT if you do not take care with this topic as a person not-apart-of-those-communities- vegan, you are showing you do not actually care about the topic of slavery/holocaust etc and THAT is hypocritical to being Vegan because of Speciesism. It is hypocritical as a Vegan. It shows the same lack of empathy and compassion you say NonVegans have. If for not other reason than to be consistent in your values, you SHOULD take care and "walk on eggshells" if this is NOT your community to speak on.
OMG, I could go on for days about the ridiculous arguments made in that video for a carnivorous diet. Puhhhlease, and don't get me started on "ethical" dead flesh, lol. How is it kind or ethical to kill an animal for your tastebuds?? So they assuage their guilt by saying the animals had a good life? I just cannot with these people. Thank you, Rose, for dispelling the BS that came out of them. And I do understand that there are food deserts where fresh produce is limited, but there are other options besides dead flesh that are cheaper: rice, legumes, pasta, canned goods, you name it. When I was unemployed for a time, I ate the cheapest stuff I could find/make, and it was all vegan. It can be done. It just takes a little effort and a desire not to be cruel to other species.
I'm 60 years old; I eat one steak a day seasoned with salt, and that's it. Cost me an average of 15 bucks, including beverages. That's $450.00 a month, and I have never felt better in body and mind, not even close! It is a privilege I am grateful for.
S&B Gal is a blatant liar in her claims. Clearly she wasn't eating a "healthy Vegan diet". I've been Vegan for 14 years, I'm 54 years old, not on ANY medications. I'm at a healthy weight with maybe a few extra pounds (which I'm ok with). I also went from eating Atkins (carnivore) and having serious negative health consequences as a result. Brain fog, GI issues, severe lethargy and I can't imagine what my cholesterol levels were. Also, it seems that the Vegan group didn't get to say their fair share and didn't seen to have as much as a voice.
I need a follow up video of carnivore humans fight carnivore animals to see who's really at the top of the food chain :)) and all this nonsense about paying respects and honouring the animal, really? it's crazy what they'll convince themselves of.
I completely agree with everything you said. I remember a post you made regarding raw on insta that I didnt completely agree with, but since listening to your points on this video, I agree. I think I was one of the very few who thrived on raw, as I was vegan years before I went raw. It did turn my health around for the better, but now I am into the gym and protein, all I see is the raw community bashing protein, and it gets a bit tiring! The reason why I brought this up is because it reminded me of that post! However, your other points you put across so well and intelligently. I would love a longer version of this, would like to know your thoughts on the whole episode!
Having any control over your diet is a privilege, to an extent. If someone is exclusively relying on a soup kitchen for food, then they would probably not be able to sustain any dietary restrictions (veganism, carnivore diet, etc.). However, this does not mean that you need to be ultra wealthy to be a vegan.
Great video and especially well stated on the point that veganism, in terms of food (in most places if you go whole food plant based) is the cheapest, least privileged diet that exists, and that meat is basically the food of the elite -- but that, at the same time, the ability to even think about the ethics of what you're eating is kind of privilege - if you're concerned every day about just feeding your family and paying your bills, you likely don't have the time or space to think about philosophical questions like animal rights.
@GS-Iq.. And yet, vegans, them EQUALLY concerned with feeding their families (arguably, on average, far more judiciously and nutritiously), and keeping their bills paid, LIKEWISE each day have the identical 24 hours/ 1,440 minutes per day.. I would say there's ZERO 'privilege' involved. If one (medically- documentedly for years now) sludges-up their bloodflow for hours after each high animal- fats saturated meal, (including bloodflow to their brain, muscles, and other organs), and then has little ENERGY to do anything BUT lethargically, hypnotizedly 'couch potato' come home and stare at glowing screens until bedtime, 'lather, rinse, repeat', being spoonfed the industries- serving pablum presented, them with no curiosity nor reading/ research/ learning new things, and challenging their lazy suppositions.. that's entirely on that PERSON, them satisfiedly content with that, and NOTHING to do with vegans possessing certain 'privileges' denied to nonvegans, I would strongly assert.. *I generally LOVE your Comments.. Right on..
I 💯 agree with reintroduce animal products before jump into this extreme. Even if temporary with the animal product, the goal is to live peacefully and coexproducts, then when, if you do go back to plant base, is to do research on what the nutrients you're looking for. Thank you for your input Rose, I enjoyed hearing your blunt honesty. Refreshing
It feels so weird seeing the world from a vegan perspective. Feels like non-vegans are trying to gaslight us (or themselves) by repeating all these nonsensical talking points ad nauseum. What's even weirder is that before I went vegan, I probably agreed with some of those points (veganism is expensive, it's respectful to use the whole animal) and now I can't understand how I ever thought like that. It makes my head hurt.
I love the videos where you respond to this type of stuff. I’ve been reading a lot of books about animal rights lately, and the connections that exist between animality and other forms of systemic oppression. Have you considered doing like “vegan book review” videos? I feel like that’s a niche no one’s really filling
I would love this. I have several vegan books on my to read list (some sitting on my shelf) and I just don't have the motivation to read. If someone did vegan book reviews or a virtual book club kind of thing (like the lady reading harry potter on instagram, posting reactions to significant events and each chapter as a whole) I would probably start reading them
@CheapLazyVegan 3 Months eating this way reversed stage 1 kidney disease, non alcoholic fatty liver disease, stable thyroid, my iron levels improved and my type 2 diabetes decreased by a point and my cholesterol went back to normal. Vegan is healthier, reverses diseases and cheaper than eating meat, carnivore and the sad American diet.
@@Jenna-bear1 Congratulations, Jenna! I'm a 66-yo, 35-yearslong vegan, here. When I retired and became less physically active, I started putting on a few pounds. So I dug out my old copy of a book entitled 'The St*rch Solution', to refresh my memory.. "The fats you eat, are the fats you wear." I'd already long-since gotten rid of bottles of cooking and salad oils, but I went thru my pantry looking for 'hidden' oils, and was shocked. Even dried Ramen having added oils, and it ~30% fat- calories... I got rid of most of what I'd thot were 'innocent' such things, and began usually making my own fat-free sauces.. and found that, in a pinch, Pr*go brand 'Low Sodium' pasta sauce is also only around 6% fat-calories. (The extra pounds effortlessly came back off.) The Meat & Dairy industries LOVE to point a falsely- accusing, blame-shifting finger at 'carbs', thus creating the present anti- carbs hysteria, but decades ago, the 'Kempner Rice Diet' (largely, shudder, white rice, fruit juices, and table sugar (sucrose), which reversed not ONLY the (hypertension) it was targeting, but also obesity, coronary plaques and angina, and some cases of Type 2 diabetes and renal disease. To placate skeptics, a Kempner study was repeated, in a closed, monitored metabolic ward. Same results. More recently, groups of stable-weight women were fed, daily, several HUNDRED 'extra' calories of table sugar, for several months.. Traditional 'calories math' predicted a THIRTEEN pound weightgain to result, but instead, the women gained 0-1 pounds.. after months of that purest, refined 'carb' ! *(Not to 'exonerate' (refined) sugars; they're increasingly co- implicated, along with a breakdown- byproduct of animal proteins, in irritating/ roughening arterial linings, setting them up for plaques to 'stick'.) Our bodies are primed to vastly- prefer to merely 'burn off' CARBS.. Carbs are RARELY converted to bodyfat, with an inefficient upfront- LOSS of 23% of their calories, when rarely significantly- done. But, conversely, our bodies, as 'famine insurance, are primed to STORE dietary FATS as BODYfat.. So LITTLE 'alteration' of fats are required to do-so, that pathologists, biopsying, can tell the dietary SOURCES of our bodyfat.. With me having a certain thoroughly- brainwashed relative in mind (who shall remain nameless), they'd eat an entire platterful of pasta, it smothered in oil, cheese, greasy meatballs, accompanied by (butter and cheese-dripping) garlic bread, finish with cheesecake, ruefully pat their belly, and say, "boy, these 'CARBS' are really packing- on the POUNDS!" (As the Meat & Dairy & extracted-oils industries meanwhile laugh all the way to the bank.) My vegan wholefoods, no-added-oils diet's grocery bill is only 35%-40% as much as my (non)vegan friends', and I daily take a pennies- per-day B12/zinc/ 'D'- containing (etc) vegan 'multi', and my bloodlabs continue, as for vegan decades now, to show zero nutritional deficiencies.. The only one I ever HAD, (iron) was BEFORE I went vegan in 1989. It's never recurred. I was born a preemie with yearslong hypoglycemia, anemia, asthma, and then adult- onset hypertension, prediabetes, NAFLD, GERD, on top of that since- childhood asthma and reactive hypoglycemia.. ALL of which immediately or quickly RESOLVED, when I finally listened to my conscience re how cruelly and violently animals are treated, and abruptly, resolutely went vegan.. Started running wellness and endurance circles around (nevertheless 'stones- throwing') coworkers.. >70% of whom, I've now read their obits or attended their funerals.. -As I cannot even REMEMBER even my last cold or flu, and vaccinatedly 'skipped' COVID. My HCP's newest FNP just dug wayyy- back thru my e-records, amazed at all my 'discontinued' prescriptions, at my bloodlabs, at last- summer's "100%-PERFECT" arterial & bone- scans.. She disbelievingly took my BP TWICE (it that of a slim 12 year-old) and told me that the usually-advised FOUR routine doctor visits yearly, I might as well HALVE, to just TWO per year. Meanwhile, seems like every time I check- on my (NONvegan) friends, they're again at their doctor's, sick, every 3-4 weeks, and complaining that they're running out of room in their medicine cabinets. Some try insinuating I'm just 'genetically LUCKY', and then I leave them silent and openmouthed when I then recite my entire family's (and my neonatal) absolute 'horror show' medical- histories. So be prepared for a lotta ignorance, and possible 'doomsaying' out there, but you know you're doing the right thing, Jenna. Keep learning all you can. Another book I'd highly recommend, it FULL of jawdropping, cutting-edge research, is 'The Power F*ods Di*t', by Dr. Ne*l B*rnard.. The YT-vids by bariatric surgeon Dr Garth D*vis, are also fantastic. Best wishes to you, Jenna !
We keep chickens and only eat their eggs. We don't eat any meat. They are all loved, have free range and we pick them all up and spend time with them, they love it and are all very happy and healthy. If we can give them their best life, they'll give us our best life, and they do. Once they're done laying, they still are loved and continue living out their lives. We don't put them down. I'll never in my life understand people who can justify the slaughter of their animals.
That's nice I'm a baby vegetarian myself aswell and I'd love to have my own hens and a few dairy cows of my own one day for eggs and dairy products knowing my animals are treated well. Have you considered also getting a family dairy cow aswell?
@@firestarsparkleaj8182 The breeder of those chicks you'd likely be buying- from, cruelly and ruthlessly KILLS the 'nonlaying' (male) chicks.. And today's chickens are bred to be (joints/ internal organs ruinously) be TWELVE TIMES FATTER than were the descendants of wild chickens in the late 1800's.. To try to prevent CALCIUM depletion from their bones, hens will sometimes consume their own eggs, to regain that lost calcium that results from us-humans breeding them to produce (not ~ a dozen, but NOW ~300(!) eggs per year! And the only way to start, and keep, that contemplated cow, that mammal, LACTATING, is thru repeated, serial forced pregnancies.. Either her CALF then drinks the milk intended for him or her, or else each time, that calf is ripped-away, deeply traumatizing calf and mother, and the calf then...? I pray you'll reconsider.
I'm one of your "reducetarian" viewers, I live in one of the most conservative parts of the US with the few vegan options you would imagine, and the idea of someone who ONLY eats animal products saying veganism is more expensive is absolutely wild to me. At that point you can't say you live in a food desert, or that you're unable to or lack the time to cook, or that it's outside your budget, etc etc. Jubilee is always like this though I"m afraid lol
Hi Rose - just wish to add a comment. Most on raw vegan are doing well, I think u said it is restrictive ! For most of us, it is about abundance. Also, many have to eat raw, as they just don't feel good on cooked plants, and certain diseases respond better to raw plant diets, as per Dr Brooke Goldner MD. 💚💜
Huge Reason why people do not want to eat vegan bc it’s associated with cheapest food And therefore poverty. But the “high” society was also very ill from eating flesh
This makes me crazy. I’m so thankful that I’m vegan. I better those women don’t give it a when they’re eating the meat . Of how there honoring the animal, they’re just shoving it down their throat. And not giving it another thought.
Steakandbuttergal (asian girl in white) is definitely giving “eating disorder.” You never actually see her eat that full plate of steak and a dozen eggs on her page. And you never actually see her swallow her food. Totally a grifter. Oh and she also says that she doesn’t count butter and raw milk as dairy. 😂🤦🏻♂️
Steak and Butter Gal, as her channel is called, the carnivore Asian woman in white,, used to be raw vegan indeed and a quite deluded one at that. So the reason for her issues and the resulting failure on her vegan diet is very clear - she was eating very poorly. I think she even admits that on a podcast somewhere, yet says the opposite everywhere else. Lot of lies in everything she says.
Carnivore people (especially the women) are the most annoying group of people. Im not vegan...Im a hardcore omnivore and always have been because its what works best for me and Im big on a balanced diet, but I would go vegan before Id go carnivore.
@@SuperMel81-j5l Why would the carnivore women be more annoying? I don't see that. Did you mean just in the Jubilee video or in general? People don't need animal products. Gary Francione has been vegan for over 40 years. 90% of all B12 in the world is supplemented to livestock. Among other supplements. 92% of Americans are deficient and vegans are just 1% in the world. Most supplements are taken by nonvegans. There are animal based supplements and vegans don't take those. Watch the doctors, bodybuilders, and documentaries on Plant Based News. Watch Viva Longevity, Mic the Vegan, Lifting Vegan Logic, Earthling Ed, BitesizeVegan Joey Carbstrong, Conserving Compassion, Humane Hancock, Vegan47, Gary Francione, and Gary Yourofsky. Watch Rich Roll on the blue zones.
18:59 you’re literally bringing up my main issue with eating meat, especially meat raised in farms. So you love them, raise them, make them think that you are their mother, then sell their meat? Ok.
I am on a fixed income and am African American, whi , in my experience have been heavily carnivore and not really into animal rights. However I have been a great animal lover from childhood but was raised eating tons of animal products bc it was socially sanctioned. Who remembers government cheese and powdered milk? I am in my 50s and have evolved to be a True animal lover and I can no longer condone the wholesale slaughter of these beautiful creatures just to feed ungrateful humans who are tearing up the planet. Love you, Rose.
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Wow that took a different turn! Amazing and wonderful take care ❤❤❤❤❤
I love this ! ❤❤ good for you for making this realization .
Hey friend! Just shouting out that I'm weird (also Sicilian) and don't eat animals mostly because of racial politics and worker exploitation (I'm not meaning to sound fancy. I watched Dick Gregory and I put me on). I eat on a low income and I fully get it. Indeed and of course I'm an animal, not pet, lover, too. Peace and love!
thank you for sharing your story!!! ❤
People who go from Vegan or Raw Vegan straight to Carnivore set off lots of ED alarm bells to me. I've been vegan for years and never lost my period.
Very diet hoppy, just drifting from trend to trend.
Well people talk about "The Vegan Diet" as if it's a single prescriptive diet. It's a class of diets; and of course there are healthy and unhealthy diets within that class. Same as for carnivore diets. See how long you can stay healthy by eating just bacon every day.
@@yessopiethat’s why a lot of vegans often hate at these as many carniovores think we only eat grass and starve. Because people like social media influencers disguise their disorders with “vegan” diet. They don’t truely understand a vegan diet/ lifestyle. Most of them have eating disorders or just do it to lose weight. When I was vegetarian I found raw food awesome but never tried it because of the weight loss people had.but I still was vegetarian. I started watching more videos about the dangers and more vegan content and understood that this is not a good way to do it. Some will say so and that’s okay but often when I hear a raw food vegan I think it’s due to weight loss not health. I don’t understand how someone can be okay without protein, legumes, nuts.
It’s about what you eat. I don’t like raw vegan diets, only fruit, alkaline, I personally think the best is a wfpb vegan diet. But also having mock meats is ok in moderation. Most meat eaters don’t follow a balanced meal. There are different ways to get good foods. I only started to care about my health seriously when I wanted my bleached damaged hair to get better as a goal. I started to look minerals and what foods actually provide. I already don’t drink or smoke but I want to actually understand nutrition and before I was vegan i was to led to believe that weight loss is healthy.
Edit: wfpb is the diet but veganism is the lifestyle. For me idc if people hate that I’m vegan, I kinda see it as my religion. I know my truth and why I’m doing it and we can both be respectful to one another. But a lot of my family members are against it and act like I’m sick when I have never felt happier and sure of a decision. Plus it helps the environment and my spending habits so it really improves my decisions in other parts of my life. I still eat burgers and sweets just without animal cruelty and animals involved :^
@@yessopie Raw Vegan is an inherently unhealthy version of the vegan diet
@@Jess11220 Real vegans also laugh at fad dieter "vegans" like raw "vegans" and fruitarian. And yes they arent real vegans because in order to be a vegan you must be doing it for ethical reasons, non-ethics-based "vegans" arent vegans, doing it for "health" or "environment" primarily is not animal rights-based and therefore not vegan. Veganism is about animal rights not fad diets.
I hated how to comment section of this video was full of people saying they thought both sides made great points, when all I heard from the meat eater side was anti-scientific and selfish excuses 🙄
so ridiculous - just their bias showing lol
People love hearing things that support their own views and don't require any effort, even if the statements aren't backed by any facts
@@garden.of.thistles The carnivores where terrible as expected .
The vegans where not aggressive enough and not willing too call out the carnivore bs .
Much too woke for my liking .
@@julienfroidevaux1143 I heard that the original debate was 3x longer then the final video, so it's very possible that the vegans were more aggressive in their replies, but the editors cut out a lot of their replies to make the conversation appear more "balanced"
@garden.of.thistles Thats a shame if that was the case .
The vegans really needed to put their nonseanse to rest .
Former combat athlete and nutritionist here....when women lose their period, its usually because of a very low fat, low calorie diet. I literally went through weight cuts and didnt lose my period because I was still eating a very balanced diet with some healthy fats...mostly in the form of avocados and natural nut butters.
Thanks for your input! Yes, I noticed a lot of low fat raw dieters lose their period
Good for you! I've been vegan and plump for years (I had severe bulimia for a long time but never lost my period) but I've gotten into exercising and I've heard that this can be a problem for some.
You're so right and I'm sure that she wasn't eating properly. She had an eating disorder
In Germany we have the term "Sonntagsbraten" which refers to traditional bigger meat dishes. It was normal until the 1970 for most families to only have one big meat dish on Sundays and the rest of the week a lot of dishes were vegetarian or had only smaller amounts of meat in it (like in soup), because meat was too expensive. Eating meat on a daily basis was something that started with factory farming and people already forgot what has been normal for our parents and grandparents. 😐 One of my brothers was babysitting for me for a few weeks a decade ago and took it upon him to also cook for us. He brought an old cooking book from the 1950s he stumbled upon in our grandparents' bookshelf and the recipies were either plant based or vegetarian.
Thanks for sharing this!! Exactly - factory farming is really how and why everyone eats so much meat nowadays and somehow these people "against factory farming"want to promote a diet that can only be possible with it.... so frustrating!
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Amen..
Ala, such folks saying that they're 'yeah; against factoryfarming, but not against meateating, though!'
Them clueless that FORTY YEARS AGO, the 'true' fair- market, (if NOT massively- subsidized) cost of meat & dairy was ALREADY estimated to (actually) be $25 per pound for meat, and the same for a gallon of dairy milk.)
As Ag- scientists are repeatedly telling us that 'grassfed meat for all', done such- LARGEscale, would be impossible, without several 'Earths.'
Now I hear that the industry, on top of commonly 'finishing' 'grassfed' livestock on '25%- grains', wants to deceptively label as 'grassfed', animals that're merely kept confined indoors 24/7, and the sileage (even in the form of compressed, PELLETIZED grasses), brought- indoors to them, them remaining in their stalls & pens..
About like calling chokingly-filthy, shed- confined, miserable chickens 'cage free' or even 'free range', if kept in huge sheds, in which humans must wear ammonia-filtering respirators to enter; sheds that have one TINY 'outside access door' that most birds never find; one activist finding that (birdless) 'outdoor area' provided for tens of thousands of birds, to be a mere 4'×4' fenced concrete pad.
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Also also, if any of the meat eaters actually knew about ancient humans, they'd know that meat was a very small portion of the diet because hunting with a bow and arrow on foot is a lot different than using a rifle from a tree stand on a piece of property that's been prepped to attract wild game animals. Ancient hunting took over a week to track and kill wild game in the best of circumstances. Do meat eaters think that the rest of the tribe sat around and starved waiting for the hunters to come back?
It doesn't really matter what people ate millions of years ago - ancient humans didn't have a choice but to eat whatever was around in order to survive. Some probably ate a lot of meat but since most humans didn't live past the age of thirty, it didn't matter if they were eating a diet that would cause them to have health issues in later life, such as cardiovascular disease or cancer, since they weren't going to live long enough to develop them. Life was brutish and short for the vast majority. However for people today, who have the chance to live into their 90s (and maybe beyond,) our diet doesn't need to be based on mere survival but rather on optimizing our health so we can stay healthy as long as possible. And for that the research is clear - eating more plants is going to up your chances of living a longer, healthier life although, of course, other lifestyle choices, such as getting regular exercise, also play an important part....
Agree
@@JubeiKibagamiFez In the Armageddon, the paleo/keto/carnivore people will be the first to go. Their diet relies on the modern world; we take B12 because of the modern world.
@@suzy1750 Well said, and great motivation for a run! 👍
@hardcoreherbivore4730 Well, paleo is not really about meat, it about only eating vegetable that can be eaten raw, so all grains are out, most root vegetables are out, and a hand full of leafy greens are out. Paleo is suppose to be the diet before agriculture, so only wild edibles.
The mental gymnastics to alleviate a guilty conscience in killing animals. It's gross.
@@snittykitty1 I doubt these carnivores have a conscience .
Yup that’s exactly what it is
I feel healthy eating animals and suffer from eating plants. And after I watched lots of vegan videos, I think, no amount of guilt tripping that will stop me from being a carnivore lol.
@@piahsophia1733 You can't consume one plant product out of the many thousands available ?
That sounds like made up talk like Michela Peterson that developed a foliate defiency on the carnivore.
@piahsophia1733 Out of the thousands of plants available too you you aren't able to consume one like Mickela Peterson?
Listening to this is frustrating! I'm on a fixed low income and my grocery bill is so low. Tofu, beans , grains, tvp, etc not expensive. I shop for produce in half price bin and can make so many different dishes. I also follow your recipes so thank you
thanks for sharing! Plant-based food is definitely way cheaper
@MichellePatterson-fx
Vegan since 1989, (mostly WF, no added oils), and I STILL spend only 35%-40% as much on groceries, compared to what nonvegan friends shockedly say THEY spend, per-person..
One (UK) reporter finally accompanied a vegan mom to the supermarket, and watched in amazement as she spent only 40% as much on groceries, as-were (nonvegan) he and his friends..
Industry propagandists are really working overtime, trying to label veganism as "being for the financially PRIVILEGED!" *(As well as doggedly trying to 'redefine' veganism as 'being about everything- BUT animal rights'.)
Same! Since I changed my diet I have saved so much money. Do you know how many fruits and veggies you can get for the price of a tri-tip?
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I've lol, been vegan for so long now, that I had to first look- up what a 'tri-tip' IS, and I see it's listed as $9.50/lb, "with an average 1.5-lb package priced
at $14.25.."
Wow. That certainly IS a lot of fruit n veggie dollars, Deirdre!
Best wishes to you! :-)
These jubilee videos are so rage bait-y I refuse to watch them I just watch reacts lol
If animals were here to completely nourish us like carnivores claim, then why do they not have every vitamin and mineral we need to survive?
Today for kicks, I put in a carnivore day of eating into cronometer. Good grief it was low or absent in almost all the vitamins and minerals. Not to mention no fiber at all. Today, I hit almost 100% in all categories eating only 1192 calories of whole food vegan food. Go figure.
They don't even have 20% of the nutrients that we need to survive. Lol
@@yakzivz1104 Exactly lol like do they know what scurvy is? Guess where it comes from?? 😂
Can just say was vegan for years - switched to carnivore and been getting excellent results-it's only been about 8 months though-perhaps too early to tell
90% of all B12 in the world is supplemented to livestock. Among other supplements.
92% of Americans are deficient and vegans are 1% in the world.
Most supplements are used by nonvegans.
There exists animal based supplements too.
There is something called rabbit starvation where people who eat just rabbits still starve of nutrients.
Many carnivores I've seen still consumed plants, like coffee because of constipation.
Lifting Vegan Logic has a video on comments from carnivores saying they were experiencing health problems. Like constipation or diarrhea.
Steak and Butter Gal in this Jubilee video made a video saying she got the worst diarrhea from wagyu beef.
Minute 25: I live in the PNW, folks talk about all the time how our resident Orcas don't have enough Salmon. NO WHERE EVER does the general public, government officials, etc. say, 'Hey, maybe we shouldn't be eating the Salmon" UUUUGGGGHHHH! It's exasperating.
It's been hot minute since I've had the privilege of watching your videos. This was great! Thank you!
UGH!!!
Rose mentioning about what if aliens showed up and started eating us.
Me: "Yes! The "It's a cookbook!" episode of Twilight Zone!"
Wow, this was one of my favorite episode of Twilight Zone!!!!! Anyway, I agree with @CheapLazyVegan 1000% about not being the top of the food chain. If you ever been on an African safari, it's extremely dangerous with weapons and it's suicide without them.
There's also a Classic Doctor Who episode that has the premise of aliens who eat human for food
You don't even have to use aliens as an example. Cause some nonvegans would write off nonexistent aliens. But you can use the example of animals, worms, or fresh eating bacteria eating people.
Does that mean humans were meant to be food for them then?
It's convenient how people leave out their group as "being meant to be subservient, used, or oppressed by others". Race is another example.
I did have Popeyes for lunch today. The spicy mayo was NOT as good as it usually is. Plus they forgot my honey sauce.
Even factory farms are considered a local farm somewhere.
Also, local doesn't mean those people are ethical or that customers check up on them or are able to.
Nonvegans base so many of their beliefs on fantasy. Yet they accuse vegans of that.
Some people didn't even know their neighbor was a k1ller.
After school sh00tings or people k1lling themselves some relatives said they didn't see any signs of that.
Also, nonvegans often say local butcher or local farm and not local slaughterhouse.
Many local butchers don't know how the animals were slaughtered or raised either.
Many local farmers don't know how their livestock are slaughtered either.
Many people don't live near slaughterhouses.
Zoning and redlining often keep slaughterhouses near poor neighborhoods.
Many owners want their slaughterhouses and farms far from people to hide the truth from people too.
Many farmers, slaughterhouse workers, and labelling lie about being humane or they think what they are doing is humane when it isn't.
They think gas chambers are humane when it isn't.
She was on a podcast and said that she did a vegan diet poorly and did not supplement. Don’t want to speculate but sounds odd to me.
Makes sense
That doesn’t surprise me at all based on everything she said here lol
Vegan is not a diet. The problem is that there are people who believe it is. I am glad there are people who are vegan who continue to educate people about it not being a diet.
Also, not once would any of the meat eaters bring up the idea of raising an animal to old age and then eating it after it passes of natural causes. The one kept talking about "respecting and honoring" the animal, then slaughtering it, but realistically, the best way to honor an animal is to let it live it's whole life and let nature take it's coarse.
I haven't heard carnivores talk about lab meat either. Some even ignorantly spoke against it without knowing about it.
Ron Desantis banned lab meat in Florida.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c From a vegan stand point, I don't trust that lab grown meat is truly vegan. I would rather just have fortified plant substitutes.
I did have Popeyes for lunch today. The spicy mayo was NOT as good as it usually is. Plus they forgot my honey sauce.
@@user-gu9yq5sj7c I don't fully trust lab grown meat, though. It's not transparent about where they get the growth serum from to grow the meat.
I have been pescatarian for years but I have made a promise to become vegan this year. This video is a great motivation for my goals thank you! ❤️🙏
It's great that you want to change! Please don't wait no longer. Every day you wait, animals are exploited, tortured and killed on your behalf. Please be kind and go vegan not "this year", but today.
Please don't!
Slavery as a whole, included all races. In the present, there are many people still being trafficked..tortured and murdered.. It's to bring light to the injustice animals go through.
You are spot on. Just because we do doesn’t mean we should. If these people tried some of your recipes they would feel differently. 🌱
So when they say animal products only, do they literally mean they don't eat veggies at all? I didn't know that was a thing.
Yeah they literally mean no vegetables at all (I think some of them eat some fruits).
Unfortunately yes, there are people who are now eating no veggies and only animal products
Yeah, most of them dismiss nutrition science as conspiratorial, and they say things like cholesterol and saturated fat is good for you and that fiber is bad for you. All their 'evidence' is anecdotal. I find it truly bizarre.
@@jayeshpatel9854 Flat earth behaviour.
@@jayeshpatel9854, they're absurdly exaggerating. The human body does need a small amount of cholesterol and (non-saturated) fat, but there's basically no chance any person would end up deficient of those, and that's true even if a person eats a plant-based diet. The human body can produce this small amount cholesterol that it needs, and the small amount of needed fat is available in the plant foods. The animal-based foods overwhelm the body with way too much of these substances.
Change pig or cow to cat or dog and none of them would be talking about "respecting the animal". They would be screaming murder. They hypocrisy is real. lol
Thank you for still being vegan. I'm getting so tired of these "no longer vegan" stories.
About to be 8 years for my girls and I. I could never imagine going back to anything other than vegan for the animals.
can't imagine going back!!!
I had a nice non vegan person just yesterday be surprised at finding out I am not just vegan in eating, but in clothing, etc. she walked away impressed and surprised, saying that's commitment. 😂 if someone is just vegan eating, I don't really consider them vegan since it's not a diet, but a lifestyle choice. Sometimes when people hear you're vegan from choice and not some allergy, they write you off as privileged. It can also be looked at as having principles you stick to of not purposely being involved in violence against animals. When I watch animal lover videos and comments about how all animals deserve safety and love, I always think that those people should be vegan too instead of saying that and then eating a hamburger or steak or drinking milk. 😊
It's 2025, we all have unlimited access to information and people still try to justify killing animals. What went wrong?
Sadly, I have heard meat eaters, or as I call them, opportunistic necrovores because they eat beings that are conveniently killed for them (except for the guy who hunts himself) but a lot of them will say that because they said a prayer and thanked the animal when it died, that, that’s how they justify it
Rice and beans are a privilege? Wow you learn something new everyday!!
I have been living a fully vegan lifestyle for 7 years, driven by ethical reasons. It wasn’t easy at first, as I spent a long time creating a balanced diet, but now I feel proud and healthy. I’ve always known that there are many incredible dishes that don’t rely on animal products, especially in Middle Eastern cuisine, which is part of my cultural heritage. Dishes like flavorful dips, hearty stews, and fresh salads are not just part of my background but also perfect examples of how diverse and delicious a vegan lifestyle can be. The same applies to other cuisines, like Indian, offering endless delightful plant-based options.
Rose, love you keeping it so real!!! Keep on keeping on.
Thank you❤
I couldn't even watch this video on jubilee, I knew from go that the carnivore side would just be a bunch of pathetic, parroted excuses to continue doing the unthinkably horrific to countless innocent animals. I appreciate this channel. ❤
Well said these carnists sound psychotic.
I could at a min respect them for their honesty if they said they didn't care about ethics and environment.
Some of the questions were unfair, such as "were animals put on earth as meat for people?" Cause of course vegans couldn't step forward and be able to counter the nonvegans on that.
i am having the same frustration, eye rolling listening to that video. there is so many questions to ask that group.
Someone being on extreme budget eating vegan is so much less expensive than meat and dairy!
Oh, this ought to be good as expensive as meat and eggs have become. 😂
Seriously! My grocery bills went down dramatically when I stopped eating animal products.
@ same! I guess people who eat tons of meat alternatives and other processed vegan convenience foods might struggle financially a bit, but if you’re eating whole plant foods it’s more affordable than carnivore for sure. Even eating avocados daily is cheaper than eating meat daily.
@@tarabooartarmy3654Yeah, those processed alternatives are expensive but beans, lentils and tofu are very affordable. People can literally make their own meat alternatives using those.
That's how I justify my Rancho Gordo bean habit -- sure they're several times the price of grocery store beans but they're still cheaper than steak! (And wow are they excellent.) Processed vegan food has never interested me, fortunately.
@@pmcallister I've heard of Rancho Gordo beans....I've never tried them but am intrigued. Are they really worth it?
WTF, so the meat eaters think animal rights are just as important as human rights, but still think they can go into the woods, shoot an animal & get legally away with it? WTF! Imagine someone going into the city and doing the same to humans & get legally away with it -WTF!
I love your vegan talk videos. Keep them coming 💚🐾🌱
Great video, great points. Bella the carnivore one has dogs you made a good comparison for her. It doesn’t make sense to me her logic to defend eating meat and I was in that community for three years.
I lost my period while eating animal products and got it back on a vegan diet, because I started to eat more. It had nothing to do with being vegan.
love this video, you NAILED it, thank you for applying general logic to debunk the opposition (the animal eaters). Bravo!
I love this video! It was so satisfying to watch because you expressed everything I have been thinking and feeling about this carnivore/anti-vegan nonsense but struggled to put into words.
I'm honestly so done with jubilee at this point. They keep platforming extremely harmful ideas under the guise of compromise, when they're really just trying to rile people up. I appreciate you responding to all these points thoroughly. I totally agree that there is no good way to justify eating meat when you look at it from an animal rights perspective - which is what veganism is actually about. It reminds me of the "chickens" episode of bojack horseman if anyone's seen it, essentially it shows how it really doesn't matter if it's a factory farm or a free range farm if at the end of the day the animal is gonna be killed.
Also you're spot on with the point at 15:00. Trying to say that beings were put on earth for a specific purpose is a classic blueprint for oppression. We see this a lot with transphobia these days, where people try to claim that people have certain "purposes" based on their sex. It's disgusting and people should know by now that we're all just beings trying to live our lives.
Thanks Rose for the chart at 28:35. That's a great resource to have handy. 💚🌱
Yeah. Some nonvegans suddenly pretend to defend cultures or ethnic cultures, but many cultures and ethnic cultures increased in animal products because of westernization or modernization.
Watch Dr Milton Mills on how most ethnic people are lactose intolerant.
Some nonvegans ignorantly overly paint all our ancestors as eating a high amount of animal products, but then say the opposite and accuse vegans of forcing people to eat peasant food.
So on point Rose. These righteous meat eaters who say they respect animals before eating them is just them justifying murder so they can sleep at night. Or they’re just fully lying because they have a camera pointed at them. Just be real and say you care more about yourself than you do about the well being of animals. These people are so annoying. They need to watch this video and get some truthful insight and perspective. ❤️
You mean "self righteous" nonvegans because these nonvegans aren't righteous.
Also, Vegan47 said we shouldn't call nonvegans meat eaters. Because that reduces veganism to a diet.
@ who is vegan47? And how exactly does word choice reduce veganism to a diet? Genuinely curious.
Clearly I was being sarcastic when I said “righteous” but sure.
Thank you so much for this! It is so good to learn about arguments you can say when you talk to an avid meat eater. I’ve been plant based for 11 years now, since I got diagnosed with MS, and I’ve never felt better (except for certain symptoms) and I haven’t gotten any new scars since then. Besides, I love the impact it has on animal welfare, the planet and my spirituality. Love your channel! 🤩
And I love your argument “what if an alien came to earth?…”! 🛸🌍
When meatheads say they only eat meat they've hunted, I don't believe them. You're telling me you never ever eat meat from a restaurant and are completely vegan except for things you've hunted? Get real!!
I’ve linked one of your vegan reponses in my insta bio because you hit every point just so well!!
thank you so much!
That vegan to carnivore person gives me the ED vibes. People with ED uses “I’m vegan” as an excuse to themselves and to others that they’re not eating. That person was never actually a vegan imo.. that person was living plant based. Don’t think they know what respecting an animal means. Def so much mental gymnastics to excuse their violent way of eating.. loved this video Rose 🖤🖤🖤
You’re awesome Rose, thanks for everything you do!!
Not saying the vegan side are not good representatives, but Cheap Lazy Vegan would absolutely demolish the carnivore debaters
Every single person needs to watch this video ! Send this to at least one person you know !
Haha thank you❤
I pay less than $150 a month in food, but of course I’m not eating out at all ever. This is the healthiest version of plant only diet called Whole Foods based.
It might be possible to get that cheap on an omnivore diet but it’s definitely harder.
By the way, my health on this diet is excellent and it’s solved my high cholesterol problem. That was eight years ago and it’s still fine.
To say that you're somehow honoring the innocent, non-human being which you are about to eat, is absolutely absurd. Oh yeah, thank you so much for speaking up for the voiceless.
I feel that carnivore "steak and butter" girl is psychotic. She would rather lie as if being vegan was only about diet (Yes, Rose..you are right)..horrible and doesn't eat dairy due to her health?? Yet, we see her posting on her channel eating dairy?
Okay, calling someone psychotic is not the move. How are Vegans who experience psychosis supposed to feel about that? We cannot be against some forms of opression and use other's to justify our beliefs. I agree with what youa re saying just wanted to point that out
I don't believe that that woman was ever Vegan at any time. She sounds like she is working for the Meat and Dairy Council. Anyway, thanks for sharing.
Great vid. I love these. What definitely bugged me the most out of the jubilee video was that they kept talking about veganism as a diet. Especially when they talked about health. Like ok because you claim you need to eat meat to survive all of a sudden your going to zoos and buying leather now? Also that carnist girl was shown buying her meat from Costco, and Kirkland is absolutely a factory farm, she straight up lied about where she buys her meat!
Lifting Vegan Logic had a short on Steak and Butter Gal from the Jubilee video saying she was for "ethical animal products" and all that, but had a clip of her buying from McDonald's.
She was the one that even posted that.
Do they not know people can see the evidence of their lies?
@user-gu9yq5sj7c No kidding
"Steak and BUTTER" girl... what's butter made of? Don't tell us it's Vegan butter now..we don't want you to "lose your period".
I’m with you Rose
My back story, had to have meat for every meal. Health was going south. I was living in New Orleans, a waiter and party thrower.
Back in 2015, After watching “Forks over Knives” ….. well , shift happens. First for health. Short story, my health problems melted away in a matter of three weeks. Within 6 weeks my pot gut and 35 ponds melted away. So first it was for health reason …… didn’t take long for the animal rights reality became part of my heart.
Then, I was fine dining waiter at a world famous restaurant in the French Quarter , I was a very good waiter with 30 years in the hospitality industry. Tell you what Rose, in the wake of my shift, I had to disconnect my personal ethics every day I went to work…… selling veal with enthusiasm, and knowing there were multiple murders on every fork. In 2020, I had to walk away.
Thanks for the video Rose, I’m with you.
And to let you know, I purchased the bundle this morning.
Also love how she described herself as a carnivore …. last I saw she was a human and not a lion!
I would love to see Rose on one of these panels.
she would do great, but at this point i wouldn't recommend it cause jubilee is more interested in making ragebait than portraying issues sensitively
I’ve met Torre ! The black guy. He’s SUPER nice 🥰
And also a super accomplished IFBB pro body builder 🤘
Seems like a nice guy!
if anyone reading this comment hasn't read "Tender is the Flesh" or ""Cadáver Exquisito" by Agustina Bazterrica, please do! definitely speaks to the speciesism & hypocrisy of an omnivore/carnivore-predominant society...only pushed to the extreme. read it a few months ago & canNOT stop thinking about it! definitely recommend. // i also feel like i watched this entire jubilee video & lost so many brain cells. as a primary care doctor, it is deeply disturbing to see how quickly & freely misinformation is spread with such ease.
And yet there are countless videos of her, going to In-N-Out and ordering puppy patties, which is basically just the meat
yeah she's such a hypocrite it's insane
I did have Popeyes for lunch today. The spicy mayo was NOT as good as it usually is. Plus they forgot my honey sauce.
Locally sourced has nothing to do with how animals are treated. I could live right next door to a factory farm and it would be locally sourced.
I feel like rose has been nice for too long but simply cant take bullshit misinformation lying down anymore 😂
Hahaha I could never tolerate the BS, but I may have tried to be nicer before hahahah
The people who switch are grifters. Like if you actually cared and wanted to be vegan, youd see a doctor and nutritionist and see WHY you lost your period.
I have period issues and i just see my doctor. Guess what? Its thyriod problems 😂
i would love to see full video reactions, i absolutely love these videos you've been making🙏🥺
I went vegan and lost my period. Wait, no, it was menopause. 😂
LOL
Honestly I've never lost my period even when I had a ed as a teenager. When I Became vegan I had a better relationship with food. I could never wrap my head around the fact that we ate animals.
Something I have never heard anyone talk about is that some people use their diet as a way to garner attention, especially on social media.
On privilege:: "Studies often show a correlation between veganism and higher income brackets, suggesting that people with higher disposable income may be more likely to adopt a vegan diet."
Something to note, the girl in white (I can't remember her name) there's no evidence of her being vegan, I looked through all her social media accounts, and on her oldest insta post, she has a comment referencing her other posts (that no longer exist) and mentioning how she makes nice food, that post (if I remember) was her at a steak house. So not only did she erase all her content prior to (I think) 4 years ago, but she has comments from people who have no issues with her being at a steak house, talking about how the food she previously posted looks nice.
If she was on a plant based diet prior to jumping onto the carnivore diet, why didn't any of her followers question her being at a steak house, instead of saying how they like the food she posts, or why she deleted all those posts but will happily show photo's of her skin, claiming a plant based diet caused acne and the carni diet fixed her skin, you'd also expect her oldest post being her specifically talking about or referencing her change.
Everything about her social media screams fraud, which makes sense since she has already been called out for lying on that show.
Im a poor vegan college student. I eat a lot of black beans, apples, and nuts. I can get a week's worth of black beans for less than $10. Just saying. You dont have to be rich.
I was waiting for this response, and it delivered!
Thank you❤
Without mentioning slavery, holocausts, and other human-centered analogies, how can one get through to a speciesist? If they don't care about the animals they kill, I guess you can appeal to other species they wouldn't kill/eat. Either way, you can't appeal to empathy for people severely lacking empathy.
I think maybe I didn’t articulate this well- I think there’s a way of bringing up slavery and other human atrocities but you need to be quite careful with your wording and be very intentional at explaining speciesism !
@CheapLazyVegan I wouldn't expect such people to be honest actors. They will play the victim to avoid accountability for their part in current atrocities. I think walking on egg shells to "convince" someone they are doing something bad is not a strong move. I realize that will put some people off, but it's real and those lacking empathy are not going to come around anyway, at least not until it clicks for them personally.
Hi Hi! Black Vegan here! I think the best way to go about it is to refer to Vegans of that oppressed/marginalized group! Even if your wording is kind, it may still offend some because you are the deliverer, simply put.
BUT if you want to try, I suggest caring, being involved in (respectfully), and fighting the oppression that that marginalized group experiences along side Speciesism. If you are not, you're not only being hypocritical to you own point, but you are not gaining any respect from the people you are talking about or to.
@@joshmargulis3750I disagree. Sometimes you won't convince others and they have to arrive their on their own, yes. BUT if you do not take care with this topic as a person not-apart-of-those-communities- vegan, you are showing you do not actually care about the topic of slavery/holocaust etc and THAT is hypocritical to being Vegan because of Speciesism. It is hypocritical as a Vegan. It shows the same lack of empathy and compassion you say NonVegans have. If for not other reason than to be consistent in your values, you SHOULD take care and "walk on eggshells" if this is NOT your community to speak on.
OMG, I could go on for days about the ridiculous arguments made in that video for a carnivorous diet. Puhhhlease, and don't get me started on "ethical" dead flesh, lol. How is it kind or ethical to kill an animal for your tastebuds?? So they assuage their guilt by saying the animals had a good life? I just cannot with these people. Thank you, Rose, for dispelling the BS that came out of them. And I do understand that there are food deserts where fresh produce is limited, but there are other options besides dead flesh that are cheaper: rice, legumes, pasta, canned goods, you name it. When I was unemployed for a time, I ate the cheapest stuff I could find/make, and it was all vegan. It can be done. It just takes a little effort and a desire not to be cruel to other species.
I'm 60 years old; I eat one steak a day seasoned with salt, and that's it. Cost me an average of 15 bucks, including beverages. That's $450.00 a month, and I have never felt better in body and mind, not even close! It is a privilege I am grateful for.
S&B Gal is a blatant liar in her claims. Clearly she wasn't eating a "healthy Vegan diet". I've been Vegan for 14 years, I'm 54 years old, not on ANY medications. I'm at a healthy weight with maybe a few extra pounds (which I'm ok with). I also went from eating Atkins (carnivore) and having serious negative health consequences as a result. Brain fog, GI issues, severe lethargy and I can't imagine what my cholesterol levels were. Also, it seems that the Vegan group didn't get to say their fair share and didn't seen to have as much as a voice.
ooooooweeeeee, CLV came with ALLLLLLL her receipts. Well done honey.
I need a follow up video of carnivore humans fight carnivore animals to see who's really at the top of the food chain :)) and all this nonsense about paying respects and honouring the animal, really? it's crazy what they'll convince themselves of.
Good cuts of meat are very expensive right now and so are eggs. Eggs are outrageous right now. Beans, lentils and tofu are not.
thank you rose. thank you...
thank YOU for watching : )
I completely agree with everything you said.
I remember a post you made regarding raw on insta that I didnt completely agree with, but since listening to your points on this video, I agree. I think I was one of the very few who thrived on raw, as I was vegan years before I went raw. It did turn my health around for the better, but now I am into the gym and protein, all I see is the raw community bashing protein, and it gets a bit tiring!
The reason why I brought this up is because it reminded me of that post! However, your other points you put across so well and intelligently.
I would love a longer version of this, would like to know your thoughts on the whole episode!
Having any control over your diet is a privilege, to an extent. If someone is exclusively relying on a soup kitchen for food, then they would probably not be able to sustain any dietary restrictions (veganism, carnivore diet, etc.). However, this does not mean that you need to be ultra wealthy to be a vegan.
If anything, carnivore is for the privileged. Grass fed beef and pasture raised eggs are not for regular Joe and Joanna.
Exactly.
Great video and especially well stated on the point that veganism, in terms of food (in most places if you go whole food plant based) is the cheapest, least privileged diet that exists, and that meat is basically the food of the elite -- but that, at the same time, the ability to even think about the ethics of what you're eating is kind of privilege - if you're concerned every day about just feeding your family and paying your bills, you likely don't have the time or space to think about philosophical questions like animal rights.
@GS-Iq..
And yet, vegans, them EQUALLY concerned with feeding their families (arguably, on average, far more judiciously and nutritiously), and keeping their bills paid,
LIKEWISE each day have the identical 24 hours/ 1,440 minutes per day..
I would say there's ZERO 'privilege' involved. If one (medically- documentedly for years now) sludges-up their bloodflow for hours after each high animal- fats saturated meal, (including bloodflow to their brain, muscles, and other organs),
and then has little ENERGY to do anything BUT lethargically, hypnotizedly 'couch potato' come home and stare at glowing screens until bedtime, 'lather, rinse, repeat', being spoonfed the industries- serving pablum presented,
them with no curiosity nor reading/ research/ learning new things, and challenging their lazy suppositions..
that's entirely on that PERSON, them satisfiedly content with that, and NOTHING to
do with vegans possessing certain 'privileges' denied to nonvegans, I would strongly assert..
*I generally LOVE your Comments.. Right on..
I 💯 agree with reintroduce animal products before jump into this extreme. Even if temporary with the animal product, the goal is to live peacefully and coexproducts, then when, if you do go back to plant base, is to do research on what the nutrients you're looking for. Thank you for your input Rose, I enjoyed hearing your blunt honesty. Refreshing
I agree with you. Good critique!
It feels so weird seeing the world from a vegan perspective. Feels like non-vegans are trying to gaslight us (or themselves) by repeating all these nonsensical talking points ad nauseum. What's even weirder is that before I went vegan, I probably agreed with some of those points (veganism is expensive, it's respectful to use the whole animal) and now I can't understand how I ever thought like that.
It makes my head hurt.
You have very good arguments. Thank you for making this video. Well done.
I love the videos where you respond to this type of stuff. I’ve been reading a lot of books about animal rights lately, and the connections that exist between animality and other forms of systemic oppression. Have you considered doing like “vegan book review” videos? I feel like that’s a niche no one’s really filling
I would love this. I have several vegan books on my to read list (some sitting on my shelf) and I just don't have the motivation to read. If someone did vegan book reviews or a virtual book club kind of thing (like the lady reading harry potter on instagram, posting reactions to significant events and each chapter as a whole) I would probably start reading them
I am poor. Went vegan. Cheaper than carnivore diet.
woot!
@CheapLazyVegan 3 Months eating this way reversed stage 1 kidney disease, non alcoholic fatty liver disease, stable thyroid, my iron levels improved and my type 2 diabetes decreased by a point and my cholesterol went back to normal. Vegan is healthier, reverses diseases and cheaper than eating meat, carnivore and the sad American diet.
@@Jenna-bear1
Congratulations, Jenna!
I'm a 66-yo, 35-yearslong vegan, here.
When I retired and became less physically active, I started putting on a few pounds. So I dug out my old copy of a book entitled 'The St*rch Solution', to refresh my memory..
"The fats you eat, are the fats you wear."
I'd already long-since gotten rid of bottles of cooking and salad oils, but I went thru my pantry looking for 'hidden' oils, and was shocked.
Even dried Ramen having added oils, and it ~30% fat- calories...
I got rid of most of what I'd thot were 'innocent' such things, and began usually making my own fat-free sauces.. and found that, in a pinch, Pr*go brand 'Low Sodium' pasta sauce is also only around 6% fat-calories. (The extra pounds effortlessly came back off.)
The Meat & Dairy industries LOVE to point a falsely- accusing, blame-shifting finger at 'carbs', thus creating the present anti- carbs hysteria,
but decades ago, the 'Kempner Rice Diet' (largely, shudder, white rice, fruit juices, and table sugar (sucrose), which reversed not ONLY the (hypertension) it was targeting, but also obesity, coronary plaques and angina, and some cases of Type 2 diabetes and renal disease. To placate skeptics, a Kempner study was repeated, in a closed, monitored metabolic ward. Same results.
More recently, groups of stable-weight women were fed, daily, several HUNDRED 'extra' calories of table sugar, for several months.. Traditional 'calories math' predicted a THIRTEEN pound weightgain to result, but instead, the women gained 0-1 pounds.. after months of that purest, refined 'carb' !
*(Not to 'exonerate' (refined) sugars; they're increasingly co- implicated, along with a breakdown- byproduct of animal proteins, in irritating/ roughening arterial linings, setting them up for plaques to 'stick'.)
Our bodies are primed to vastly- prefer to merely 'burn off' CARBS.. Carbs are RARELY converted to bodyfat, with an inefficient upfront- LOSS of 23% of their calories, when rarely significantly- done.
But, conversely, our bodies, as 'famine insurance, are primed to STORE dietary FATS as BODYfat.. So LITTLE 'alteration' of fats are required to do-so, that pathologists, biopsying, can tell the dietary SOURCES of our bodyfat..
With me having a certain thoroughly- brainwashed relative in mind (who shall remain nameless), they'd eat an entire platterful of pasta, it smothered in oil, cheese, greasy meatballs, accompanied by (butter and cheese-dripping) garlic bread, finish with cheesecake, ruefully pat their belly, and say, "boy, these 'CARBS' are really packing- on the POUNDS!"
(As the Meat & Dairy & extracted-oils industries meanwhile laugh all the way to the bank.)
My vegan wholefoods, no-added-oils diet's grocery bill is only 35%-40% as much as my (non)vegan friends', and I daily take a pennies- per-day B12/zinc/ 'D'- containing (etc) vegan 'multi', and my bloodlabs continue, as for vegan decades now, to show zero nutritional deficiencies.. The only one I ever HAD, (iron) was BEFORE I went vegan in 1989. It's never recurred. I was born a preemie with yearslong hypoglycemia, anemia, asthma, and then adult- onset hypertension, prediabetes, NAFLD, GERD, on top of that since- childhood asthma and reactive hypoglycemia..
ALL of which immediately or quickly RESOLVED, when I finally listened to my conscience re how cruelly and violently animals are treated, and abruptly, resolutely went vegan.. Started running wellness and endurance circles around (nevertheless 'stones- throwing') coworkers.. >70% of whom, I've now read their obits or attended their funerals.. -As I cannot even REMEMBER even my last cold or flu, and vaccinatedly 'skipped' COVID.
My HCP's newest FNP just dug wayyy- back thru my e-records, amazed at all my 'discontinued' prescriptions, at my bloodlabs, at last- summer's "100%-PERFECT" arterial & bone- scans.. She disbelievingly took my BP TWICE (it that of a slim 12 year-old)
and told me that the usually-advised FOUR routine doctor visits yearly, I might as well HALVE, to just TWO per year.
Meanwhile, seems like every time I check- on my (NONvegan) friends, they're again at their doctor's, sick, every 3-4 weeks, and complaining that they're running out of room in their medicine cabinets.
Some try insinuating I'm just 'genetically LUCKY', and then I leave them silent and openmouthed when I then recite my entire family's (and my neonatal) absolute 'horror show' medical- histories.
So be prepared for a lotta ignorance, and possible 'doomsaying' out there, but you know you're doing the right thing, Jenna. Keep learning all you can.
Another book I'd highly recommend, it FULL of jawdropping, cutting-edge research, is 'The Power F*ods Di*t', by Dr. Ne*l B*rnard..
The YT-vids by bariatric surgeon Dr Garth D*vis, are also fantastic.
Best wishes to you, Jenna
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We keep chickens and only eat their eggs. We don't eat any meat. They are all loved, have free range and we pick them all up and spend time with them, they love it and are all very happy and healthy. If we can give them their best life, they'll give us our best life, and they do. Once they're done laying, they still are loved and continue living out their lives. We don't put them down. I'll never in my life understand people who can justify the slaughter of their animals.
That's nice I'm a baby vegetarian myself aswell and I'd love to have my own hens and a few dairy cows of my own one day for eggs and dairy products knowing my animals are treated well. Have you considered also getting a family dairy cow aswell?
@@firestarsparkleaj8182
The breeder of those chicks you'd likely be buying- from, cruelly and ruthlessly KILLS the 'nonlaying' (male) chicks.. And today's chickens are bred to be (joints/ internal organs ruinously) be TWELVE TIMES FATTER than were the descendants of wild chickens in the late 1800's.. To try to prevent CALCIUM depletion from their bones, hens will sometimes consume their own eggs, to regain that lost calcium that results from us-humans breeding them to produce (not ~ a dozen, but NOW ~300(!) eggs per year!
And the only way to start, and keep, that contemplated cow, that mammal, LACTATING, is thru repeated, serial forced pregnancies.. Either her CALF then drinks the milk intended for him or her, or else each time, that calf is ripped-away, deeply traumatizing calf and mother, and the calf then...?
I pray you'll reconsider.
I'm one of your "reducetarian" viewers, I live in one of the most conservative parts of the US with the few vegan options you would imagine, and the idea of someone who ONLY eats animal products saying veganism is more expensive is absolutely wild to me. At that point you can't say you live in a food desert, or that you're unable to or lack the time to cook, or that it's outside your budget, etc etc. Jubilee is always like this though I"m afraid lol
Hi Rose - just wish to add a comment. Most on raw vegan are doing well, I think u said it is restrictive ! For most of us, it is about abundance.
Also, many have to eat raw, as they just don't feel good on cooked plants, and certain diseases respond better to raw plant diets, as per Dr Brooke Goldner MD. 💚💜
I know of many healthy raw vegans, Dr Doug Graham is one of them, lots more .. they do eat fat ! I love fat too, avo, etc
Huge Reason why people do not want to eat vegan bc it’s associated with cheapest food And therefore poverty.
But the “high” society was also very ill from eating flesh
This makes me crazy. I’m so thankful that I’m vegan. I better those women don’t give it a when they’re eating the meat . Of how there honoring the animal, they’re just shoving it down their throat. And not giving it another thought.
Steakandbuttergal (asian girl in white) is definitely giving “eating disorder.” You never actually see her eat that full plate of steak and a dozen eggs on her page. And you never actually see her swallow her food. Totally a grifter. Oh and she also says that she doesn’t count butter and raw milk as dairy. 😂🤦🏻♂️
thank you for being a voice of sanity among the insanity 🙏
Steak and Butter Gal, as her channel is called, the carnivore Asian woman in white,, used to be raw vegan indeed and a quite deluded one at that.
So the reason for her issues and the resulting failure on her vegan diet is very clear - she was eating very poorly. I think she even admits that on a podcast somewhere, yet says the opposite everywhere else. Lot of lies in everything she says.
19:25 why do they protect their children? Why do they form emotional bonds with each other? Why do they experience grief?
How can they say "respect" while talking about murder, you sound like Hannibal Lecter
This jubilee video made me furious, I couldn't finish it because I was so irritated by the carnivore women
Carnivore people (especially the women) are the most annoying group of people. Im not vegan...Im a hardcore omnivore and always have been because its what works best for me and Im big on a balanced diet, but I would go vegan before Id go carnivore.
@@SuperMel81-j5l I think anyone with common sense would see the myriad reasons why a carnivore diet is not ideal
@@SuperMel81-j5l Why would the carnivore women be more annoying? I don't see that.
Did you mean just in the Jubilee video or in general?
People don't need animal products.
Gary Francione has been vegan for over 40 years.
90% of all B12 in the world is supplemented to livestock.
Among other supplements.
92% of Americans are deficient and vegans are just 1% in the world.
Most supplements are taken by nonvegans.
There are animal based supplements and vegans don't take those.
Watch the doctors, bodybuilders, and documentaries on Plant Based News.
Watch Viva Longevity, Mic the Vegan, Lifting Vegan Logic, Earthling Ed, BitesizeVegan Joey Carbstrong, Conserving Compassion, Humane Hancock, Vegan47, Gary Francione, and Gary Yourofsky.
Watch Rich Roll on the blue zones.
18:59 you’re literally bringing up my main issue with eating meat, especially meat raised in farms. So you love them, raise them, make them think that you are their mother, then sell their meat? Ok.