Why I regret buying X1C
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- Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
- Sharing my experience using X1C, good and bad - and a suggestion what I would have bought today instead. This video might save you a lot of money :)
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I was between the two and ended up going with the X1C combo, and I don't regret it.
1) The LIDAR has actually worked well for me. I had 1 adhesion issue with an old Monoprice filament I had laying around for *years* and it caught it without my intervention.
2) The camera quality difference between the X1C and P1S is almost inexcusable, honestly. There's no reason that the P1S should have such a garbage camera...it's *really* bad. Not only is the resolution and quality bad, but the framerate of it is unusable to actually see what the thing is doing. If you don't look at the camera it doesn't matter, but I actually use it regularly enough while printing just to keep an eye on things.
3) I've had nothing but perfect success with the AMS, including the PLA-CF 250g sample that came with the printer. Multi-color prints have been awesome on this thing, right out of the box. Being able to throw multiple colors directly into the model in Bambu Studio and just letting it run overnight is great.
4) The difference in the screen is...big. The screen on the P1-series is literally worse than the one I had on my 5 year-old Ender 3 3D. It displays more horizontally, but the refresh-rate and quality of it are just bad. It makes it really hard to use the device, itself, to do things. The screen on the X1C shows exactly what you need easily and quickly, and lets you make changes as-needed at any point, including even switching spools in the AMS live. Anyone getting a P1-series should look into the after-market screens that are coming out to at least be able to do the basics easily without having to use the computer.
5) I haven't had any issues with the existing build plates, but ya I do use glue sticks (Elmers Purple). I used hairspray on glass for years with my Ender, but this is much more reliable. I do want to buy the gold plate from the P1-series, but so far I haven't found a need. I don't tend to care if the bottom layer has a bit of glue stuck to it...if I need the quality on the bottom I can just plop a raft down and break it off once it's done.
6) I do agree that the AI bit is probably mostly nonsense. I've seen reviews show it working, but the single failure I've had (that was my own doing, since it was my design) the X1C didn't even notice and would have kept going. Luckily I was watching the camera at the time (remotely), so I stopped it on the subsequent layer, but I wouldn't trust the AI.
That said, all of these are so reliable these days that failures like that should be *incredibly* uncommon.
Thanks for this video! I think you're right. Going to go for the P1S!
I've had to create a blacklist for filament from certain manufacturers because the spools don't work with AMS. If there's a filament that I love, but don't like the spool, I re-spool it onto a good spool. The AMS works great when the spools are compatible. It shows a need for standardization. Screw cardboard spools. We need to move to refills. Buy a spool once, refill it forever. That's more green than cardboard.
Maybe go for the Hydra ams upgrade
I'm about to buy an X1C with AMS. I've had an Ender3 V2 for years and modified the hell out of it. I really need the ability to print supports. I also rarely do PLA. I came here looking for a compelling reason not to get the X1C. What you've mentioned here is very good to know, but for me not a compelling reason to change my plans. Thanks very much for the information.
Good video.
Just convinced me to get the P1S instead of X1C.
I was reqlly getting hooked into that calibration stuff.
Does ams work with p1s? I do some multi color
Yes, they even have a kit P1S + AMS.
How did hair spray end up with a bent hotend? the 2 are completely unrelated. @1:20
Unless you leveled the bed with the plate off, put the plate on and tried printed without leveling again which is user error not the cool plate.
Lidar has auto calibrations of up to 4 filaments k values and you can lock that in the slicer and as of right now you have object exclusion to delete failing parts to keep the rest going.
Camera is a huge difference. 24fps vs .05fps is the difference between video and a very very slow slideshow
AMS is great for filament redundancy, printing remotely, keeping filament stored and dry. You do not need to touch filament for 4KG worth of printing and you can use up nearly spent spools.
Look up 14 month review.
I was wondering about the same...
Okay, I was torn between the two and you've just sealed it for me. I'm going to get the P1S. I can get the AMS and other accessories and still spend $500 less. Thanks for this video!
Yeah I was originally on getting the P1S but started getting sold on the X1C features, now i'm questioning if I should just go for the P1S or not lol
You can buy the Panda Touch to get an X1 Custom 😝
I have a P1S and a Flashforge AM5 Pro and I would say that both of these printers are pretty much on par with each other. P1S is slightly larger build plate, but I rarely print things that are over 200mm anyway. I mostly use them for printing functional parts so I have no real use for an AMS.
How in the world did hairspray lead to a bent hotend??? That little clip has me doubting the value of the rest of the opinions in the video.
Print detached, lifted, nozzle ran into it and pushed into the print chamber wall probably.
Good to know, my Anycubic is showing its age. I was wondering if I should pony up cash for a prusa or one of the newer core xy models.
There are new printer models coming out every month so it's hard to make a call. It's guaranteed that the moment you buy something a better option will appear :)
@@MaximKachurovskiy 😂 I am pretty sure of that
Prusa is overpriced garbage.
Do you find you need to manually calibrate the P1S fillament settings often?
I don't actually have a P1S, only X1C
I had no problems feeding the included PLA-CF from the AMS.
Feeding worked fine, it was getting stuck during retraction at the end of the print
I just picked up my x1c tonight, the cool plate I got spaghetti on and well... the PLA didn't stick to it at all. The camera to check your print is just hot garbage, and this printer is just so incredibly loud... now the positives, it makes beautiful prints. I haven't tried upping the speed of it yet but I'm looking forward to actually seeing fast prints. (poop plate took over 8 hours to print in normal mode, I would have like to see it print faster)
If you use the ams and don't have enough filament on one spool... Can you add a second spool in the ams and it will automatically switch and continue printing? In this case the ams would have good benefit for me 🙂
That's the theory. In practice I have AMS tangle the first spool while it was trying to start printing and get stuck.
@@MaximKachurovskiy OK hope it doesn't make to much of a problem the ams...then I might go for a machine with ams. I don't have that much use with different colours... But use it for almost empty spools would make a big difference 🙂 I'm a bit tired of my qidi x-max so need something better...a machine that I don't need to switch motherboard on 🤨😅
I have printed 50-55 spools with AMS. Not even one problem with AMS (4 of them).
Had nozzle clogs and similar small problems, but not even one with any of my AMS units... O.o
Also I can see that LED lights in AMS are completely different than in mine, so I'm pretty sure that you have some old outdated AMS, and problems...@@MaximKachurovskiy
@@MaximKachurovskiyyou might need to update your firmware for the ams as they’ve done numerous fixes over the last year. This might be your problem.
I was using glue stick on my P1S and was disgusted to have to do so. Then I raised the bed temp to 60C and everything stuck.
I want to buy a x1 but I'm wondering if it's better to buy a p1s and a hardened nozzle and extruder is anyone able to advise me?
That’s what I’ve ordered and discovered. Get the xtouch kit to give yourself a nice touch panel upgrade and buy the hardened steel assemblys, not just the nozzles because the assembly’s pop in and out and the nozzle require old-school swapping and hose setting etc. i still don’t have mine but I’ve been researching and have ordered the upgraded parts, per bambu’s recommendations to print ass and petg-cf
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@@tekmouse I finally ordered the P1S and I'm very happy with this printer and the fact that I didn't overpay for the x1c because they break down a lot
@@Adam0855
They don't break down alot. They "break down" like every other printer does.
@@lb8384 No. P1s doesn't break unless the user is an idiot, in x1c for example lidar falls
I agree with the cool plate they supplied. The P1S comes with a PEI textured plate, which is considerably better than what the X1C came with.
Is there any value to AMS just for switching materials?
Sure, I thought I would use it for that but turns out I just print with one filament all the time 😁
Yes. You can use nearly empty spools without any issues, if you have another spool of the same material in the AMS. And you can print 4kg+ in one go without swapping out the spools at all.
I have been printing with AMS for months now it is super useful. I only use the external spool for TPU and that is tedious.
haha took me a while to find a real review, I noticed that all videos that you search for x1c are actually sponsored as they were all released on the same week. All of those videos basically read a script. thanks.
Thanks.. Got all I need to make the decision.. P1S will be enough for me
I liked my X1C a lot but agree with your experiences totally. In my experience, X1 is the least polished product and a lot of things that could be done better, which are done better with P1 series. With X1, you need to go through a bunch more small troubles to get it to work perfectly. So generally I do really recommend P1 to people.
AMS is a slightly different story - it is affected by environment a lot. For example, I had no trouble with it, and my friend had a lot of trouble. Then we realized that my room is hotter than his (it is my server room), the way I put the printer and the AMS is different from his. After making a few adjustments his AMS works perfectly. Such kind of issue is definitely frustrating. I will still recommend AMS for people that need the features, but I recommend to go without it first.
What small troubles?
The P1 you need to manually calibrate every different filament you use.
@@final3119A ton, but some of them probably because of batch issue. The issues I have ran into include thermistor in accurate, bed heating very slow, controller overheat, print head stuck...
@@CCL13CN i havent had any of those issues with mine at all
The glue patterns just wipe off?
I don't think so, they're embedded into the print at that point.
I think you are absolutely right.
I got my X1C 6 months ago so the P1S wasn't released yet.
The cool plate is horrible, had to wash the plate after every other print, then apply glue again for even basic prints with PLA.
I got the gold PEI sheet now and it is amazing, never use any glue anymore for pretty much all materials now.
So I basicly had more succes printing without lidar calibration.
I would definitely get a P1S if I had to get one right now, eventho I like the interface features of the X1C it is a costly luxury that could be saved or spend on an (extra) AMS
This is interesting to me. I use the Cool Plate almost exclusively, and rarely wash it - I use hairspray on it, and barely give it a second thought.
As I reflect on it, I really don't need the features of the X1C - though like you, when I bought mine the only other option from Bambu Lab was the P1P, which didn't do everything I wanted.
Still quite happy with my X1C as my first Bambu Lab printer. If I get second, I think I will probably go with a P1S.
Ouf j’ai acheté la P1S combo hier ta vidéo me rassure je n’ai pas fait de mauvais choix 😊
I'm happy with my X1C. No problems so far and I've had it for 8 months.
Love my AMS a ND P1S
thankyou for persuading me to save $1,000 odd and getting a P1S instead lol
The revised QIDI X-Plus3 looks like even better value, similar price to the P1S, still very fast but with a heated chamber so you can print some of the more difficult engineering materials. How do you find the Bambu cloud system?
I like Bambu software and cloud system, haven't had issues. Will check out Qidi but it doesn't make a good impression.
You use way too much hairspray. It is not the 80's with hairspray. A little light coat will be fine for many prints.
Красавчик!! Так держать! Приятно видеть что у тебя есть развитие в твоих начинаниях и воплощение идей.
Sell it and buy a P1S should solve your problem
If you have the X1C you should just print ABS and ASA. Brush on some wolfbite or nano polymer and your prints will stick like a mofo.
I watched this video about 3 months ago... 2 months ago I bought X1c and P1s because I knew I couldn't trust any opinion other than mine. And I was correct.
Only reason why I'm back here is to tell anyone watching, don't listen to this dude...
AMS is one of the best things in 3D printing in my 8 years of 3D printing, it's working flawlessly. I really don't understand why you hate it.
I'm wondering, do you own P1s so you really compared them?
And, to the dude who created this video, thank you for your time/opinion/video, nhf...
I totally agree with this opinion which is contrary to the video. I also have the X1C and the AMS works flawlessly and is a dream come true. I believe most people would find the AMS to be a boon in just about any case scenario even if you aren't doing multicolor prints. There certainly can be problems from time to time with any printer. But think very, very carefully before you let this guy in the video turn you off of the X1C. The X1C is definitely the way to go for ease of use, speed, reliability and print quality.
Why did you order the combo if you didn't have need for the AMS? It sounds like you didn't fully research the printer before buying. I do agree with the cool plate being a nuisance and I didn't order the AMS because I wanted to print mostly single color prints and although it was before the P1S came out I'm still satisfied with my X1C.
You paid a premium to be an early adopter. That's just kind of how these things work.
I got it just a few weeks ago. The untimely adopter 🥹
"Early adopter" isn't quite right the right term for a printer that doesn't have anything new - BambooLab took open source community experience that gained over a decade and turned it into a commercial product.
Give it a few months. BL will discontinue both the P1P and X1C as they're pointless now that the P1S is out. They already discontinued the base X1 after just a couple months when it wasn't selling as well as the X1C.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 a hater of Bambu Lab yet he comments on every Bambu Lab video. Even from small channels like this. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@hologos_ Are you always this late to every comment
@@LilApe I just don't scan the whole youtube for every Bambu Lab video. Don't forget to like your own comment. Oh wait, you already did. 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
Why would they discontinue the X1C? Because the P1P is out now? Highly doubt it.
I am here to announce that you were wrong.
Do not go for the nice looking printers. Just buy a Prusa printer like MK3s+ or the new MK4. Everthings works the first time, no fuss. You can also have fun building it yourself with a kit version. Software and settings are nearly perfect. It may be a bit too boring for a hobbyist, there are no improvements to be made. Another advantage: good support, spare parts, most of which are printable. (You have to print them out in advance or have a another printer). The MMU2s unit is another story, I got it working after a long time. Hopefully the new one is better.
PLA works only good with Smooth PEI, PETG with Textured PEI and Satin PEI, PC with Satin PEI. I never use glue.
Speed is a bitch. It's like an expresso coffee machine, everything has to be just right, otherwise it won't work. Dimensions are not correct, defects in the most important places and layer adhesion is poor. A brass nozzle works ok, others don't (so no carbon fiber etc.)
I need to get device cases produced quickly, can't wait all day. Same for other parts. I'm not going back to the slow ones 😀 Quality is good to great.
I have 2 X1C with AMS since 6 months with 1000 hours printing and absolutely any kind of problem... X1C and P1 series are very good printers. I can not agree with this kind of videos. It is not right to denigrate such machines
What? All he really said is the X1C isn’t worth the extra cost over the P1S for most people and he’s right, it’s a few mostly useless features.
@@3vlogs487 aluminium wall not plastic, hardened steel driver gears, hardened steel nozzle, the Lidar sensor, AI and a great and powerful touchscreen.... yes X1C is worth the extra cost over P1S but P1S is also a great printer. I have it one.
This and the walled garden locked down firmware and cloud junk is enough for me to stay away. Ill keep what i have
Fwiw I don't have any problems with locked down firmware or cloud system. It works well. In years I will sell this printer anyway, it's just a good tool.
@@MaximKachurovskiy Why would you publicly announce you're stupid lol
I'll take it off your hands. I mean, if you truly do regret it and aren't feigning idiocy for clicks.