Very well put together presentation. This house has a very beautiful open space concept. Love the fact it's on a hill so you can take in the beautiful greenery. BTW I just love how you articulate your words. Great job 👏
A lot of property (4600 sq. ft.) + sea views for $325,000 USD. That is Townhouse price on the North Coast!! I love the master suite, open concept main floor, oversized rooms, spiral stairwell, multiple balconies (or terrace). The finishes reflect the price point which all can be customized easily based on individual preferences. The yard could use some TLC but again a very minor issue in the grand scheme of things. Trelawny is developing rapidly so this is a good buy for the buyer who can afford it.
Wow big house, also some massive properties around. Your looking lovely as usual, full of life as alway's. I need to build a holiday home 🏡 in Jamaica, but those home's are to big to clean and maintain. But very nice , nice view's also. Keep up the great work 👍🇬🇧🇯🇲🏝️🥰
Big to clean and maintain, well I don't want to live in a tiny house, give me the big house. Cleaning a big house is like exercising, good for your heart.
I agree. Staging, wall hangings, a garage door, and finished landscaping would have made this presentation more appealing . What was that in the basement? Paint cans? Unbelievable that those would have been left there when showing a house. 😮
A beautiful, spacious home☺️ Would be more beautiful & worth the price IF it had yard space to plant fruit trees and have a garden. I dislike tile floors, prefer wood floors. The area must be VERY safe to not have Burglar Bars☺️ ( I dislike Burglar bars, think they're fire traps, but I understand the need to have them in certain areas) The doors don't look secure to me. Overall, its a nice home for the right person. Thanks for sharing.👍
Thanks for the walk through, it's greatly appreciated. The property is nice, but the amenities, including accessories, are low budget. The neighbours are relatively close to each other. If negotiable, I'll start at US$290K. Let the realtor contact me
You're welcome 😊 You first have to send your contact information. You may send it via email at propertyviewers@gmail.com or you may contact the realtor directly.
It's lovely n I love it you see if I was working my ears full of wax I would buy it put all of my 5 grandchildren dem in dey . It really nice a love to my heart 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Luv This listing. Looking at the walk-in closet, it's almost as large as a bedroom. Doesn't look like it needs much work. Only drawback is there nesrby construction - which I guess will soon be over.
That's 58 million....seems like a good price to me. Apartments in Kingston going for 60 million. Property needs work but I don't think you can build that for 60m now.....I'm building a 3 bedroom and it's close to 50 million
The house is ok but it’s kinda confusing no much thought no put in it to me then you have a basement with no bathroom think the asking price is too much for it
For the size of the house the kitchen is way too small and there is not enough counter space in the bathroom of the master bedroom and a lot of wasted space It's a beautiful house overall
there seems to be a lot of "DREAM HOMES" like this being built in Jamaica. i would like to know, originally, why a house of this size was built in the first place. Income property, or for a large family.? What was the thought process behind a house of this size. Is the resale price worth the price it took to build the house- everything considered? just wondering,
Why is it that some Jamaican is just jealous at the other Jamaican property,if it was the white people build that house. You wouldn't hear this kind of stupidity, because all those houses are very small houses. Five bedrooms is a very small house compared to some houses,I know in Jamaica growing up. In my community where I was born,there was a lot of white people living there and. Those people lived in mansion, there was a great house in my area,it was 20 bedrooms on over 3,500 acres of land. Where river run through the property for miles, those houses are some very small houses comparing to some houses in my area in St,Ann. The reason some people build big house, because they have a lot of children and. They need to lived properly and, sometimes you have family reunion. When you looked at some Rich guys in the united states,their house all up to 10 bedrooms,12 also 6 cars garage, theater room, games room, you named it.This person need to travel Jamaica to really see some mansion,then she wouldn't be saying this stupid argument at all.
@@blairboyd1735 calm down my dear. it is not that serious. surely as adults we can disagree respectfully without vitriol. Beautiful Jamaica has enough violence, dont you think? have a blessed night.
@@doreenb603 I am living in the united states where more violence,I lived in England for a while.So what you are saying about violence in Jamaica, it is all over the world. My sister house is 7 bedrooms 5 bathrooms unstair and downstairs on 1 acres of land.Because you know what you are saying, you know you shouldn't say that at all. You don't like to hear the truth at all, I don't have nothing against you. I am just telling you the truth,if you go up to cherry 🍒 Garden, Barbican,Red hills, Beverly hills, just to mentioned a few of them.I useto have a very nice friend of mine name Doreen from St, Elizabeth. I met her Florida,we was just social friends and,she returns to Jamaica a couple of years ago and. I have lossed contacts with her, because I changed my phone. Because it dropped into water, so I lost all the numbers.Anyway be very careful of what you say about people, because it is not really nice,ok.
@@johnbrown-um3lf I don't believe you understand what is question ❓, when people like you talking rubbish and. When people speak out,then you are telling me to calmed down.When you are so full of bad mind against other people things,I lived in the united states for decades and. You found a lot of bad minded Jamaican living there, England, Canada, they never liked to see. Their own country people them have anything looking good, because you have no right to say that. As the Bible said, what a man thinketh, so is he. You have too much bad thoughts about people, and their property. You can say anything about me, because I don't care at all, because I have facing a lot of tribulations throughout my life time and. I know how to cope with them, so don't tell me to calmed down, because you are not talking to your children them,ok.
Quit advertising in US$. The property is in Jamaica, therefore the advertised price should be in J$. In general, the property is way overpriced considering the insufficient land mass (< 1/4 acre), antiquated design, it requiring TLC, and the overall design that does not flow coherently.
Agreed, needs yard space. I love to sit in my garden and love planting vegetables and fruits. I wouldn't buy it just for that reason. Good price though.
@@fuzzydon857 With all due respect, if you know anything about luxury construction, you would never say home depot and quality in the same sentence. Thats for people who don't understand the building part of this business.
@@MrNanah38 I don't agree with you. 75% of America is built with supplies from Lowes and home depot. I personally got all my faucets, door lock and light fixtures from home depot and they looking real luxurious. Same brand sell in home depot is top of the line in jamaica.
@@PropertyViewers 😳 Putting new meaning to the people dem things! Only the master suite in this house has a balcony. It is private and can only be accessed by occupants from the master suite. That's the balcony.
The house is nice but selling the house the same price as in the US some things is Wrong.Jamaica something is wrong you can build your own house and it would not cost you so much The closet space was poorly
I know this house and the sea view is permanent. The sea view is from the front balcony and the house is already almost 20 ft above the front Neighbour (comparing ground levels). All houses in the Neighbour hood are restricted to building height of max 25 ft so the view is permanent. Same for the green belt on the side. If I had the funds, I would buy it. do a visit to confirm.
The rooms are spacious and I like the location but it as no cupboards in bathrooms, no closets for clothes,no dishwasher etc kitchen is small , no yard space, it need a whole lot more amenities to this house,. No space for outside relaxation. A no no.
Not greenery vegatation. Where is the bathroom for the basement. I am a out door person and as for I see it is not much yard space. One more thing for the price of this property it should have a beautifully land scape. The main entrance is not ready for the market especially for overseas buyer hope it doesn't stay on the market for long thou.
Hi Wayne, yes the house is for sale. You may contact the realtor mentioned in the video. Andrew Duncan 1 876-995-5444 or sending us an email at propertyviewers@gmail.com
First of all the house seems too big for the land. Second it has a lot of awkward spaces like the dining room and the area outside the master bedroom, Third the kitchen is too small, fourth all the bathrooms in this big expensive house are the type of bathrooms you find in a motel from the 70’s. Fifth those weird windows and massive brown double doors in the bedrooms. Sixth it’s not fenced and doesn’t have burglar bars. USD 285k max
I would have to lean more towards supporting the above comments! I really was expecting to see a much better design inside this house. I was disappointed. What section in the basement can be used as the bedroom? I don't know about the v- shaped rooms of the house. What about the grounds of the yard and landscape? Didn't see that. I don't know if I would recommend it.
That house must be haunted, or spoiled why it is on sale for that amount. I bought my house in Janaica 2012 for 6 million with a two bedroom house, so how come this one is so cheap. People beware ooo. Pray before you invest in 3 storey house ooo.
@@julietjacobs8255 your right I wouldn't but my sister did in a gated community in West Palm Beach for 100 thousand less with all the bells and whistles washing machine and dryer also
The landscape is not serviced, just bush. I want a big backyard to make a pool. She never show the closest on the first floor which is a red flag something not right.
Why is it so cheap. Use that house as airnnb? Lady, are you sure you know all the facts about this house? Thanks, but no thsnks. When I was buying my house, I paid 1.2 million for downpayment and closing cost alone. Something not right with this house. If this house was any bargain, you wouldnt have to advertize it; it would have been gone. Ah fool ino teck people fah.
Very beautiful i like how full of light the house are lovely.Wonderful job as always ❤️👍
Very well put together presentation. This house has a very beautiful open space concept. Love the fact it's on a hill so you can take in the beautiful greenery. BTW I just love how you articulate your words. Great job 👏
Thank you so much Judian 💐
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Duncan's Hills is a really nice community. This house in particular is very intimidating though. I wouldn't know the first thing to do with it.
Thanks for this timely video you saved me a trip. Well presented.
You're welcome 😊
A lot of property (4600 sq. ft.) + sea views for $325,000 USD. That is Townhouse price on the North Coast!! I love the master suite, open concept main floor, oversized rooms, spiral stairwell, multiple balconies (or terrace). The finishes reflect the price point which all can be customized easily based on individual preferences. The yard could use some TLC but again a very minor issue in the grand scheme of things. Trelawny is developing rapidly so this is a good buy for the buyer who can afford it.
👁👁 SPECTACULAR, BREATHTAKING, WOW !!! 😯💗💓💞❤
My extended family is from Samuel's prospect so good to see this video
Hey Samuel, thanks for watching. Glad we were able to give you a peak of back home. ❤️🙏🏽
Awesome breathtaking I love it
So Beautiful 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Nice 🏡 house and nice size. Not as glam but very nice. 🇺🇸.
Cabinets, paint color and Fixtures on faucets etc are so out dated 👌🏽
Beautiful, a well laid out house
My dear friend big up well done loving it
Wow big house, also some massive properties around. Your looking lovely as usual, full of life as alway's. I need to build a holiday home 🏡 in Jamaica, but those home's are to big to clean and maintain. But very nice , nice view's also. Keep up the great work 👍🇬🇧🇯🇲🏝️🥰
Thanks Lorna. Nuff love 💕
Big to clean and maintain, well I don't want to live in a tiny house, give me the big house. Cleaning a big house is like exercising, good for your heart.
Big house for who can afford it. Air bnb may be an option though.
@@vaughnmitchell3030 😆 🤣
Absolutely beautiful
This is a beautiful house for that price.
This is a lovely house. Lord I'm sorry for the domestic worker. I hope the occupant will pay their staff well above the minimum wage‼️‼️
Nice property and quite affordable too
That property is beautiful
Andrew I really love what I am seeing and you have a wonderful tour guide. I love to be in touch with you
great house tour, lots of house for the price... not much land so easy to maintain.
They should have contacted Courts for furniture to properly STAGE the US$300,000.00 house 😎🏁
it's best to see an empty house so you can visualize how you want to furnish it. Beautiful presentation. Beautiful house
You're so right! Staging sells every time...
I agree. Staging, wall hangings, a garage door, and finished landscaping would have made this presentation more appealing . What was that in the basement? Paint cans? Unbelievable that those would have been left there when showing a house. 😮
Does courts do staging?
Love the greenery
Need landscaping ; staging is so important
Just lovely. Affordable. On a hill... 💗
A beautiful, spacious home☺️ Would be more beautiful & worth the price IF it had yard space to plant fruit trees and have a garden. I dislike tile floors, prefer wood floors. The area must be VERY safe to not have Burglar Bars☺️ ( I dislike Burglar bars, think they're fire traps, but I understand the need to have them in certain areas) The doors don't look secure to me. Overall, its a nice home for the right person. Thanks for sharing.👍
Another great property, seems a little cheap for all that house
Love the hair❤️❤️
Thank you ❤
It about location not these size of the house. There r too many unfinished homes there .
I live here in Canada and that money can't buy anything here in Canada
@@PropertyViewers price is good,,that money for that house cannot buy anything here in Canada
Thanks for the walk through, it's greatly appreciated. The property is nice, but the amenities, including accessories, are low budget. The neighbours are relatively close to each other. If negotiable, I'll start at US$290K. Let the realtor contact me
You're welcome 😊
You first have to send your contact information. You may send it via email at propertyviewers@gmail.com or you may contact the realtor directly.
I love it♥️♥️
Beautiful love it
That is where my father was born and lived,my father land is still there and I have plenty of cousins living there.
That's alot of house to upkeep. Like it though. My drawback is it is not a gated community
Absolutely beautiful!❤
Beautiful house 🏠 😍
I think the seller is motivated. It hasn't had the garden done a while. Weeds a tek over!
Yep. That's what I'm talking about. Would't move there unless the seller gave me credit for the necessary land scaping/renovations.
I miss Jamaica so much!
It's lovely n I love it you see if I was working my ears full of wax I would buy it put all of my 5 grandchildren dem in dey . It really nice a love to my heart 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Luv This listing. Looking at the walk-in closet, it's almost as large as a bedroom. Doesn't look like it needs much work. Only drawback is there nesrby construction - which I guess will soon be over.
I love this house
Beautiful property.
Big house it need a lot of things , no lighting doors outdated ,lot of renovation s
Nice house but no skirting board, no architrave, steps need to b wider because of heath and safety reason also kitchen small
That's 58 million....seems like a good price to me. Apartments in Kingston going for 60 million. Property needs work but I don't think you can build that for 60m now.....I'm building a 3 bedroom and it's close to 50 million
That cost sounds to build sounds too much.
The house is ok but it’s kinda confusing no much thought no put in it to me then you have a basement with no bathroom think the asking price is too much for it
4600 sq ft man. What's the price per sq ft to build now? The price point seems low for the size.
Where is the yard space?
Lovely... I want to dream.
Luv it 🌴
Some of those trees need to go how u guys going to keep us safe out there we have working so hard want to come home but afaid
For the size of the house the kitchen is way too small and there is not enough counter space in the bathroom of the master bedroom and a lot of wasted space
It's a beautiful house overall
Nice house, I would have prefered a massive purple heart doors with impressive design.
Is there a bathroom or kitchen in the downstairs/income earning section??
Nice presentation. Too much house for me; and I love a big backyard.
Nice roomy house.
Who was the architect ?
Still not sold?
there seems to be a lot of "DREAM HOMES" like this being built in Jamaica. i would like to know, originally, why a house of this size was built in the first place. Income property, or for a large family.? What was the thought process behind a house of this size. Is the resale price worth the price it took to build the house- everything considered? just wondering,
Why is it that some Jamaican is just jealous at the other Jamaican property,if it was the white people build that house. You wouldn't hear this kind of stupidity, because all those houses are very small houses. Five bedrooms is a very small house compared to some houses,I know in Jamaica growing up. In my community where I was born,there was a lot of white people living there and. Those people lived in mansion, there was a great house in my area,it was 20 bedrooms on over 3,500 acres of land. Where river run through the property for miles, those houses are some very small houses comparing to some houses in my area in St,Ann. The reason some people build big house, because they have a lot of children and. They need to lived properly and, sometimes you have family reunion. When you looked at some Rich guys in the united states,their house all up to 10 bedrooms,12 also 6 cars garage, theater room, games room, you named it.This person need to travel Jamaica to really see some mansion,then she wouldn't be saying this stupid argument at all.
@@blairboyd1735 calm down my dear. it is not that serious. surely as adults we can disagree respectfully without vitriol. Beautiful Jamaica has enough violence, dont you think? have a blessed night.
@@doreenb603 I am living in the united states where more violence,I lived in England for a while.So what you are saying about violence in Jamaica, it is all over the world. My sister house is 7 bedrooms 5 bathrooms unstair and downstairs on 1 acres of land.Because you know what you are saying, you know you shouldn't say that at all. You don't like to hear the truth at all, I don't have nothing against you. I am just telling you the truth,if you go up to cherry 🍒 Garden, Barbican,Red hills, Beverly hills, just to mentioned a few of them.I useto have a very nice friend of mine name Doreen from St, Elizabeth. I met her Florida,we was just social friends and,she returns to Jamaica a couple of years ago and. I have lossed contacts with her, because I changed my phone. Because it dropped into water, so I lost all the numbers.Anyway be very careful of what you say about people, because it is not really nice,ok.
@@blairboyd1735 IT WAS JUST A QUESTION !!! CALM DOWN
@@johnbrown-um3lf I don't believe you understand what is question ❓, when people like you talking rubbish and. When people speak out,then you are telling me to calmed down.When you are so full of bad mind against other people things,I lived in the united states for decades and. You found a lot of bad minded Jamaican living there, England, Canada, they never liked to see. Their own country people them have anything looking good, because you have no right to say that. As the Bible said, what a man thinketh, so is he. You have too much bad thoughts about people, and their property. You can say anything about me, because I don't care at all, because I have facing a lot of tribulations throughout my life time and. I know how to cope with them, so don't tell me to calmed down, because you are not talking to your children them,ok.
With some renovations and additions this home would be lovely.
The neighbors need to complete their construction to stop messing up the view.
Quit advertising in US$. The property is in Jamaica, therefore the advertised price should be in J$. In general, the property is way overpriced considering the insufficient land mass (< 1/4 acre), antiquated design, it requiring TLC, and the overall design that does not flow coherently.
Do you have any property over by Silver Sands in Duncans for sale?
I love it and I know the area but where is the pool and backyard space for a gazebo BBQ....for that price I'm expecting
Agreed, needs yard space. I love to sit in my garden and love planting vegetables and fruits. I wouldn't buy it just for that reason. Good price though.
Nice house but poorly executed with the finishes, why would you have some cheap home depot grade doors on such a nice house?
Probably what they could have afforded.
Home depot sell quality aswell.
Not only apartment qualities.
@@fuzzydon857
With all due respect, if you know anything about luxury construction, you would never say home depot and quality in the same sentence. Thats for people who don't understand the building part of this business.
@@MrNanah38 I don't agree with you. 75% of America is built with supplies from Lowes and home depot. I personally got all my faucets, door lock and light fixtures from home depot and they looking real luxurious.
Same brand sell in home depot is top of the line in jamaica.
She loves breeze 😂😻😂
Hmm... that Kitchen and those bathrooms seem very small there was opportunity to make those bathrooms bigger.
Two big!!
That which you called a balcony is actually a Terrace. A Balcony is attached to a private space such as a bedroom.
Hi The Zeus, that's not right my friend. I suggest that you Google both terms to understand the difference. Thanks for watching. 👍
@@PropertyViewers 😳
Putting new meaning to the people dem things! Only the master suite in this house has a balcony. It is private and can only be accessed by occupants from the master suite. That's the balcony.
Looks like two terraces and a large balcony. Nice views though.
Where do I sign up to be apart of your awesome team. 👌
Lovely property. Renovations required. Bedroom door color is a definite NO
The house is nice but selling the house the same price as in the US some things is Wrong.Jamaica something is wrong you can build your own house and it would not cost you so much The closet space was poorly
The sea view is only temporary. Wait till next door's house is finished and that's your view.
I know this house and the sea view is permanent. The sea view is from the front balcony and the house is already almost 20 ft above the front Neighbour (comparing ground levels). All houses in the Neighbour hood are restricted to building height of max 25 ft so the view is permanent. Same for the green belt on the side. If I had the funds, I would buy it. do a visit to confirm.
Why would someone want to get rid of such a beautiful house? Also, there is no green space to grow anything.
The rooms are spacious and I like the location but it as no cupboards in bathrooms, no closets for clothes,no dishwasher etc kitchen is small , no yard space, it need a whole lot more amenities to this house,. No space for outside relaxation. A no no.
Affluent country vs affluent town has such different tastes in style.
Kitchen is way too small for that size of house, needs massive UPGRADES
For this size house, the kitchen is not appealing at all.
It looks like too many unfinished homes around there. Something is not cool with that property. The property needs cleaning up. Looking a bit ugly
I like but It's too big for me and my family , only 4 of us....
Not greenery vegatation. Where is the bathroom for the basement. I am a out door person and as for I see it is not much yard space. One more thing for the price of this property it should have a beautifully land scape. The main entrance is not ready for the market especially for overseas buyer hope it doesn't stay on the market for long thou.
They can buy as is and put their own touches to it.
House need to be fence around and better upgrades. Can live in, but not fantastic at alll
Is this house is for sale I’m looking for a house to by how can I get in touch with you
Hi Wayne, yes the house is for sale. You may contact the realtor mentioned in the video. Andrew Duncan 1 876-995-5444 or sending us an email at propertyviewers@gmail.com
Ok I’ll calling you soon
Nice my friend live have property in Hanover with area is better thx a video subscribed
Thank you and welcome💛🥳 We are happy to have you 😊
First of all the house seems too big for the land. Second it has a lot of awkward spaces like the dining room and the area outside the master bedroom, Third the kitchen is too small, fourth all the bathrooms in this big expensive house are the type of bathrooms you find in a motel from the 70’s. Fifth those weird windows and massive brown double doors in the bedrooms. Sixth it’s not fenced and doesn’t have burglar bars. USD 285k max
I would have to lean more towards supporting the above comments! I really was expecting to see a much better design inside this house. I was disappointed.
What section in the basement can be used as the bedroom? I don't know about the v- shaped rooms of the house.
What about the grounds of the yard and landscape? Didn't see that. I don't know if I would recommend it.
based on what I saw from the entry video much curb appeal is incomplete if you ask me, most buyers in this price segment would love a turn-key house.
Have you seen the shacks in Jamaica? That's all I gonna say.
@@sherrancehenderson5915 shacks, yes, but for people who can't afford it. To build a house with this kind of interior design was not very smart.
I agree, the lot size is too small for this house on a hill.
The kitchen is ridiculously small for the size of the house. Really poor design. 👎🏾
No space to plant fruit trees, no swimming pool, anyone can walk in your home , no secure . No yard space.
And no security bars the bushes on the side of the varanda is way too close sweet house but I need more land space and more lights towards the house
How much do I gone need for 24 Hour round the clock security protection my SEFIETY come frist 🤔 😏
Regular Jamaicans can't furnish this place. This needs a professional interior designer.
Home is fine...location is horrible. Property small...$320k usd?....good luck
Little external space for such a large house and not much privacy. Not very childfriendly.
That house must be haunted, or spoiled why it is on sale for that amount. I bought my house in Janaica 2012 for 6 million with a two bedroom house, so how come this one is so cheap. People beware ooo. Pray before you invest in 3 storey house ooo.
It's 320,000 usd. 60 million jmd
It's oh a hill, I wonder during a storm is the land itself secured or will the house tumble
Lots of unfinished areas in the house , even the garage doors not installed . Something wrong
Too much of a big house beautiful .
But is it safe to live there.
Beautiful but its a big BUT MOST returning residents are scared.
I wish this was a turn-key house, lots of work needed to be done. Curb appeal not so much.
It’s a shame that there’s no accommodations for wheelchair access. They need think of these things whenever they are building these houses.
Just say you don't like the house....don't make ridiculous comments about wheelchair access.....
Good point,,but it's not business place,,you do that if you want to,,here in Canada I dont see that
Thats the same price for a house in Florida
You wouldn't get that size house in florida for $320k no way!
@@julietjacobs8255 your right I wouldn't but my sister did in a gated community in West Palm Beach for 100 thousand less with all the bells and whistles washing machine and dryer also
@@melvinpervis6678 Really! I highly doubt that unless she bought it 15 years ago...I sell houses in Palm Beach County ... so come with the receipt 😏
Not this big
The landscape is not serviced, just bush. I want a big backyard to make a pool. She never show the closest on the first floor which is a red flag something not right.
Kitchen no ready for real
Kitchen is a big turn off for me
Lacks curb appeal. The yard is a shamble. Wall is stained.
I know this house I can even look at it right now from my patio, and God knows it don't worth 42 mil
Looking at house it beautiful but not properly constructed too many wasted space not accountable for
Why is it so cheap. Use that house as airnnb? Lady, are you sure you know all the facts about this house? Thanks, but no thsnks. When I was buying my house, I paid 1.2 million for downpayment and closing cost alone. Something not right with this house. If this house was any bargain, you wouldnt have to advertize it; it would have been gone. Ah fool ino teck people fah.
$325,000.us that's almost 50 million Jamaica dollars depending on the rate of US dollars at the time...
Kitchen not appealing and bathroom as no storage
It's horrible...