Ok, so as an owner of one of the Tartan 37's pictured IN this video (yep true!) we can say that after sailing a Tartan 37 for 8 years in the great lakes and an honest easy sailing of 15K nautical miles, we can say that the centerboard dampens the motion of the boat - on all points of sail except downwind on calm seas. The center board for sure improves the performance of the boat. We have consistently run across people sailing the Tartan 37 and casually mention they 'don't' use the center board... and we are always surprised due to the results we gain from using it! We are excited that you choose the Tartan 37 in this episode and love watching your channel!
Exactly. It dampens roll and it also helps the boat track downwind. I notice the difference when sailing in a quartering sea with the autohelm on. It works far less with the board down. A K/CB is not the most efficient arrangement because of the operating point differences between a fat low aspect keel section like the T37's and the relatively high aspect thin CB section. The addition of downwash / tip vortices from the fat keel to the CB doesn't help CB efficiency either. But, these are acceptable tradeoffs for most cruisers who want shallow draft and acceptable sailing performance. I'd much rather have a properly designed K/CB boat than a shoal keel, especially one with very draggy wings. It would be interesting to see how the K/CB T37 performs against the Sheel keel variant produced at the end of the production run.
Tartan 37 is one of the boats which I am looking at for a retirement live aboard. My wife and son will probably return to Canada and I plan to Canada so I would like a boat that can handle the great lakes and the passages between Lake Ontario and the Atlantic. Is there a passage which you would recommend and would a Tartan 37 make a good coastal cruiser and Island Hopper? I plan to spend most of my time in the Bahamas. I nearly bought a Tartan 10 when I lived in California. I have always liked these boats, Thanks.
In the 70's O'Day helped add thousands of sailors with their amazing keel/center board boats. I have a 1976 O'Day 20, 14 inch shoal draft, 5ft 6 inches board down. On a large inland lake. I Love the combo. Thanks for the great vids .
Sailed once crossing from Kemah to Florida and then to Bimini and further south. It's definitely great blue water cruiser. Anchoring beside catamarans was 😊.
I would only add that Soulianis hasn't traveled all that far as of yet; basically just Florida and some Bahamas sailing, so the percentage of center-board useage would certainly be higher for anyone doing a circumnavigation of the world or even just a loop of the Caribbean, perhaps even significantly higher.
My buddy had a Tartan 37 for 20+ years. While sailing with him in Florida, I asked how often he has lowered the centerboard and his response....."In 20+ years.....never". As a cruiser in FL and Bahamas, he simply never had occasion to use the centerboard because either he didn't have enough depth and/or simply didn't care about another 1/2 knot of speed. It was a bit troublesome maintaining/anti-fowling the centerboard and centerboard locker.
This is actually my dream boat. They are beautiful boats inside and out. the outside lines are clean and classic. the inside is roomy for its length and the trim and woodwork is gorgeous. The center board is the clincher of the boat... shallow draft for in close to shore and the added stability in wind and open sea. These are very capable circumnavigators and open a world of anchorages that other boats cannot shelter in...
Regarding the Tartan 37 with shoal keel & centerboard, if one goes to Sailing Soulianis Ep 59 (4:00 min.) you can see the risk presented. The T37 has a synthetic line running through a curved pipe to a fiberglass sheave box in the bilge, then vertically down to an attachment point on the CB. There is a high potential for that line to chafe through and drop the CB at a time when that could be a dangerous. [1] If one is heading downwind with large following waves, and the CB drops, then any sideways slewing of the stern on the face of a wave can readily lead to a rollover. [2] If anchored in shallow water, and the centerboard connection fails, the CB will drop and lodge in the substrate. Any rocking of the boat due to swells will put enormous sideways force on the CB and possible damage the keel. A similar situation exists with the Pearson 36-2, although in that case it is a steel cable that passes through multiple bronze tubes and sheave boxes. For the reasons mentioned above I decided to eliminate the CB on my P36-2. I discussed my plan with a naval architect, who encouraged me to proceed. When I removed the mechanism I was alarmed to find that the lower sheave box covered a large opening into the keel trunk. If that sheave box ever broke due to the high loads on it, there would be no way to stop the water intrusion. I have sealed off the bottom of the keel trunk and filled the cavity with concrete. Increased ballast will stiffen the boat slightly, and the keel is now bullet-proof. I am less concerned about some loss of close-winded performance. It should be noted that the low-aspect-ratio long shoal keel and the high-aspect-ratio deep CB provide lift at different angles of attack, so performance is compromised anyway.
I've done a lot of time on a Tartan 38.. same hull fixed keel, taller mast. Been through a lot of tough weather.. did a lot of PHRF racing.. around the buoys and offshore long distance.. a great boat
We have a shoal draft long fin keel (under 5') on a S&S boat (Hughes 40), and we get along just fine without the centreboard. We're a ketch, though, and we were never going to be going to weather with a racing sloop in the first place. I do love the idea of the Ovni 400 or the Garcia 45, though, with their ability to moor at wading depth or dry out entirely.
Yes, a VERY nice Boat. I have owned and extensively cruised a S& S 26 Pawnee, an Alberg 35, a Kelly Peterson 44, a Cal 2-46 and taught sailing for a large school/charter club in San Francisco. This gave me a lot of experience on many boats of the modern racer/cruiser type. I give you this background so when I talk about my TARTAN 37 I do so with some experience. Over all I loved my Tartan. This S&S design makes a very nice sailing boat. Extremely well behaved and well balanced. A true pleasure to sail. Yes, interior is lovely. And some well placed white paint or laminate can brighten up the interior. Loved the center board design. And stepping/un stepping the mast isn’t that hard but does take as small amount more prep. The negatives on this boat is as per the vintage, she is lacking on some waterline length. Not bad though. Also you do need to thoroughly check for core saturation. I didn’t have any in the hull (thank God). But a good bit in the decks. If you are not pretty handy with fiberglass. Repairing this in a yard can rapidly add up to 10K or more. Soooooo. Watch it! A number have had this issue. Hey! What’s new, its a 30+ yr old boat. In cutting up the deck, I was surprised at How thin that the laminates were in the sandwich. For real serious blue water as in ocean crossing, keep that in mind. That said, I have crossed oceans in my other larger boats and would do so in this boat with some good prep. Again, overall……..you are right Great boat! PS. It does sail amazingly well with board up. I used it about 25% of the time. It is very easy to use and certainly does effectively cut down leeway up wind. I never had much in the way of fowling issues with it either. I love the shoal draft!
I have an O'Day 192, which I've done some local cruising with on Puget Sound. I love the versatility the centerboard gives me. In Force 7 winds, when I am already fully reefed, raising the centerboard makes the boat heel a lot less. Leeway is increased, but it then becomes comparatively easy to sail upwind.
Hey Tim ….. love your channel and the work you are doing in Practical Sailor. I sail on the east coast of Canada ( basically Newfoundland). My boat is a 1984 Grampian 30 which I have owned for a year now. So far it’s been just weekend crushing but hoping to someday move up to a bigger boat and give the Caribbean a try 😊. Would love to see you do an episode on G30 and to hear your thoughts. Keep up the awesome content and looking forward to your next episode 😁👍👍
I have a Coronado 25 with a lead swing keel. I appreciate the shallow draft and counter balance to the sail when underway. So far I haven't had any problem other than the hinge joint is loose. It's noisy and irritating when at anchor and trying to minimize roll for sleeping with the keel down.
It is worth looking on youtube at Garcia Yachts complete tour by Pete Goss, a man that knows a thing or two about sailing. There is a very good explanation of the benifits of centreboard over swingkeel. Garcia yachts are made to sail blue water globally but are for from cheap. It is a good video about a yacht with more redundency built in than most. If only I could afford one, good video here as always.
In the whole aluminium expedition yacht scene, various configurations of (weighted) centerboards and lifting keels are the thing: Garcia, Bestevaer, Boreal (really innovative mini keel with centerboard, double rudder, plus daggerboards), Pelagic Yachts, Futuna Explorer, Hutting Yachts. But we are firmly in the 800k to 1.5 million price range there. But these are purpose build high latitude yachts where the ability to hide out, fall dry, freeze in is priced high.
We have a Bristol 43 which is a k/c. Draft board up is 4'6", down is 10'. Only time we put the board down is when going upwind. Maintenance is not an issue.
There is two other place, where (weighted) centerboards and lifting keels really have their place: Expedition/high latitude aluminium yachts. Bestevaer (partially), Garcia, Boreal, Skip Novak's Pelagic Yachts, Futuna Explorer all bet on them in various forms. The plus points: hide from weather deep in anchorages and the ability to fall dry. The later is important too, in the North Sea with it's immense tides. The alternative there is the Twin Keel.
Thanks for this! Really appreciate your insight. I’ll say that I for one like the teal cabins though, I could see a benefit of ash to lighten it up a bit. I think light cushions are a good offset. In contrast, I think cabins done in light colors feel very cold and uninviting. I’d lean to a 70/30 split in favor of teak/mahogany. I’m going to snoop the tartans more.
Great review of the T37C. I love my 1981 T37C. Well built, classic S&S design, beautiful lines. If I had my choice, I’d prefer a fin keel. She sails well with the board up with winds about 14-15 knots or less. If one is looking for a Good Old Boat, with a budget around $60k , I’d recommend giving a T37 C serious consideration. Fair winds. Nick S/V Angela Mia #336 Lake Superior.
I had a 22 ft centreboard and loved it - the board would ride up into the boat when you ran aground - pull it up and no longer aground / come about and sail off - also had a swing rudder that did the same thing but mine needed to be wound back down whereas a redesign to change COG would make it self restore - also see youtube Distant shores TV with a centreboard - good site great info / up there with Captain Q without the fizz and dinty moore (the sailors friend)
Not sure what years they had the center board, I worked for Tartan in 79-80 on the 37 line and never seen one, only shoal keel and fin keel. They were very well built boats and it was a great experience seeing start to finish. They were starting the 42' line when I left. I think there were 3 lines running, 27' racing boat, 32' or 33' cruiser and the 37'.
Good show , I agree. I have a 1982 Catalina 38 SS. Almost the same size boat ,so is the older Erickson 38 . Think Erick Anderras No Bullshit Sailing. I do believe a smaller stiff jib sail can help. Mine is an older 150 % size. My boat has a following in racing out west . I would like to learn more about sail combos for my boat. Keep up the good reporting.
We have a tartan 37.. it’s def something to think about and if things go wrong it can go epically wrong with a centerboard. But overall the boat is a dream!
Weighed the same options when looking at the Endeavour 32. All the centerboard versions I looked at, previous owners had sealed up the cavities at some point. I guess they figured it wasn't worth the maintenance either. I went with the 4' 2" shoal draft.
Hmmm, agreeing with the maintenance vs. rewards argument wholly, Tim. And, having watched the more complex Dutch aluminum solutions offered to 'Distant Shores', I too struggle with the added box, space intrusion, lifting ram and so on. Yet, the new Lifting Keel version of the Jeannuea Sun Odyssey 410 (2021) has a very small intrusion with a spyglass window to observe the ram mechanism, while the whole keel remains in the water. I worry less about the hydraulics, the stainless steel pin, etc... on this smaller pivot area- as critical as it may be- I suggest than sinking risk may be reduced. And, at worst- the board is either down, partially down or up when failure occurs. For the Bay of Fundy, or 9' tidal swings, or 8+ knot moving feasts of sand bars at river entrances- I'd sure like that safety of a 3' draw! Not to mention how much I prefer to be able to point with speed (VMG is the modern parlance) especially if I'm gonna make my wife seasick- her happiness is critical to mine- if you know what I mean. Any shortening of the discomfort is greatly appreciated. However, I really dislike the cheapness of that boats plasticy build, rough unfinished marine plywood everywhere, etc..
Great Channel! I always look forward to your next sailboat review history and thoughts. Just some food for thought for more reviews and history: I currently have a Robert Perry designed 1980 Chevy Lee 48, and a 1969 C&C Redline 41, very recently known as a 1969 Newport 41. I would love to see your take on those. And yes, I know I have a boat problem. Otherwise, Happy Holidays and keep up the great work on the channel.
About 10% T37 production were fin keel / tall rig versions known as the T38. The T38 was also produced in the UK as the Condor 37. Similar boats for consideration should also include the Ted Hood designed Bristol 35.5 and 38.8.
Very good exploration into the merits and otherwise of the shoal keel w/board. As a dinghy sailor, I much appreciate the versatility in different points of sail. Our cruiser is a '85 C& 37 (6.7 draft), which we love to sail, but as we think more seriously about heading to SE Alaska (steeep tides), a centerboard boat is worth considering. I do hear you on the maintenance issue, though. I'd like to hear more about your experience with the Redline. Have you covered our vintage C&C 37?
Love to see a review of the Celestial 49 pilothouse I have already bought mine but would be interested in another opinion might learn something I don't know. Love your work.
Did you see the Tartan 34C that Captain Q did in Portland, Maine? I looked at it last week. I looked at it last week. Needs a good bottom cleaning/painting and the teak brightwork is, well, not so bright. But you could throw it in the bat today and sail it. And it can be had for next to nothing.
When you talk about a centerboard coming out the bottom of a shoal keel, the first boat I think of is the Grampian 26. On the G26, when the centerboard jams, it stays jammed, and it's difficult or impossible to repair.
I just purchased a IP 35 with the center board. I don’t know much about it and I’m in the Columbia River in Oregon. Hopefully soon I’ll be able to see how it works in the ocean
This was an interesting video. I came to the same conclusion about centerboards, the concept is great but too many moving parts that can create issues. In my opinion, less is better, but you did give me much food for thought. I plan to purchase my first live aboard sailing vessel towards the end of next year so I have been weighing all the options. I do plan to live on it full time so I want something that is comfortable. And I do plan to cross the oceans at some point. Since I am relatively new to sailing I want to stay close to home (USA) for the first two to three years. This will give me time to get use to the sailing life and will also help with the insurance since most insurance companies like to see some history of sailing before ensuring a ocean crossing. So I could see myself focusing on the Bahamas, Caribbean and perhaps the Mexican Riviera. As you pointed out in this video, a more shallow draft boat is better suited for these areas. So I have come to conclusion that I will need two boats. Well maybe not at the some time. I will buy a costal cruiser for my time in the Caribbean and then buy something more suited for ocean passages when that time comes. I'm leaning towards a Hylas 46 or 49 for my long term, blue water purchase but maybe starting off with an older Catalina, Pearson or Hunter. Open to suggestions. I appreciate what you do.
I recently purchased a 1978 C&C 36 KCB, previous owner removed the centerboard and replaced the 1 1/2" pivot pin with a 2" stainless pin. he owned it for over 20 years and kept it in the Columbia river ( fresh water) the entire time. Currently bringing the electrical system into the 21st century with lithium set up. I would love to hear your thoughts on this boat or rod rigging in general.
Interesting timing Tim. I'm from Toronto and big fan of the show. I was wondering when you'd do an episode on Tartans. I have just narrowed down my search to only Tartans (40' range) and couldn't make a decision to go with 5.3 fixed or 4.10 centreboard route. I see the things "Distant Shores" people have done with their Southerly and that's what got me into variable keels. Unfortunately Southerly boats are just soooooo rare in NA and the prices!!!
Appreciate your research and summary of the centerboard pros/cons, nice work! What about an overview of the Pearson 39-2 or 36-2? I have a 31-2 and love her for lake sailing and would happily consider the larger 39-2 for Bahamas cruising when the time comes. Thanks!
I would enjoy an episode on small, shallow, starter-boats that could costal island-hop for a 1-2 weeks by a minimalist couple. Such as: an Island Packet 27-29; a Hake Seaward 26RK; the Bayfield 25; Corsair 27; or my C&C 27mk V. Love the channel. Hope to see you passing thru Annapolis.
Great review Tim. Tartan has been on my watchlist for awhile now, really chuffed that I missed a shot at Nemea when Shaun & Julia sold her. My hang-up with a centerboard/pivot keel of any kind is the addition of failure points; enough can go wrong on a boat already, why add another moving part? Thanks again for another great review, looking forward to the next one (and maybe an update on what-all kind of work you did on Lady K this season?) The best to you, K, and the kids!
My T37 has the Scheel keel. My boat was made towards the end of the production run. I see many FB posts showing trouble/hassle with the centerboards. Maintenance-wise, I am glad not to have a centerboard. What are your comments on performance difference between the two?
This is something that interests me with options. Want less then 40 foot. But options with draft. With pretrial and maintenance that scares some to me it's like my grandfather said don't sit in rocking chair it will kill you. I understand fixing stuff is not fun but challenge is rewarding.
Been following you for a while and love your channel. I have a Tartan 34c with a center board. I took it out for bottom pain and as I brought the center board up the rigging for it snapped, the reason why is there was so much growth in the cavity where the center board pulls up to the board couldn't go up. I had the area cleaned out and had the board held up with a metal plate. now I'm wondering if I should fix it or just use the boat with out center board. Your thoughts?
Actually I have a question you mentioned about dissimilar metals in a salt water environment: If electrolysis is a problem why do they put stainless steel balls into a bronze thru-hull valve? How often do you recommend working the valve through its' full range of motion?
Funny, but when Tartan was selling these boats, I HATED them! Old geezer boats- I remember an ad that highlighted the 13 chrome dips that each port received prior to polishing and mounting. In my mind, that was wasted weight! Hahaha. NOW, I would LOVE an aged Tartan for identical reasons: S & S design, classic lines, good PHRF speed in almost any air and at any point of sail, so forth and so on. I would even be OK with the Mahogany interior (at least it's real!). Super robust, well glassed, SS mounting points EVERYWHERE- what's not to love? Now, I think the added holes below the waterline are worth it. I'd even pay for the beer & pizza needed for annual maintenance of the fin, pin & lines to haul it up & down. I genuinely would adore the ability to touch (without bending or breaking) at low speed less deep anchorages. I love the extra 1/4 to 1 knot of boat speed speed gain way off wind, and I like the reduce forces on the wheel as well. Yes, it's a 10% proposition if you don't have it, but- it's a 90% game changer when you need it! (Honey, get out the checkbook, we're spending the kids inheritance!!!) Hahaha- great video, well shared & balanced (although highly praiseful) perspective on the 'Ole Tartan 37! Thanks- I'm subscribing just to enjoy the memories!
Imagine if you will: above mentioned Tartan 37 with brand new 17 strand rigging. Design/build a 'fathead' wing sail for the main & load up that forestay with a new material 150% Genoa on a SS furler. A full spinnaker, a code zero & a nice asymmetrical & you are screaming down to the caribbean and flying on every day sail.... Best. $100K. EVER! (jes sayin') Disclaimer: One man's opinion, I suggest you get at least one more...opinion that is!
Yea I agree with the extra problems you get with the center board. I have a 85 Tartan 34-2 fixed shoal keel. I have been water at 5 feet of water too.Great little boat and can get it on its groove pretty easy. It’s about the passage and the adventure that makes sailing enjoyable for me. Sailing Soulianis had a big problem with there center board in early videos. But they are great to watch.
I have a py23 what are your thoughts on it, has a swing center board in the keel. I was looking for a towable sailboat with good sailing abilities. Like to here your thoughts on them.
Hi, do the centreboards just hold them selves down with weight or do you need a line to lock it in the downward position. Worried about constant banging against the hull. Thank you.
Have you done a review of the Wauquiez Hood 38? This also has a centerboard. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this set up. It is rigged differently than the Tartan (which I’m fond of, having grown up sailing one!).
What are good models of old world craftsman boats for coastal cruising and island hopping? I plan to sail the east coast and Gulf in the near future, spend most of my time in the Bahamas, Caribbean and Virgin Islands but travel to Lake Ontario every summer to see family so I would be up and down the east coast. Looking for a full time live-aboard 30-40 ft that can be rigged for solo sailing. I want a quality made, non-production, older boat with shallow draft. Thanks.
The one Tartan (30) in my old yacht club lost his centerboard, no sitting on the bottom of the mooring field. That was about 2 years after replacing the pivot and cable. Nice boats but very flawed.
As the owner of a T37 and having gone through much of a soup to nuts refit plus thousands of miles of sailing, I can say I disagree with some key points made in this video. True, the T37 is still a great cruising boat so long as you don't ascribe to modern philosophy of sacrificing seaworthiness and sailing attributes for space and ammenities. Most T37s are over 40 years old now and they certainly have common issues that should've been clear from browsing the T37 forum. The build quality is good for a production boat but it's a far cry from more upscale builders of the day. While the CB arrangement adds some complexity it is hardly complicated. The performance is good but still a tradeoff and a deep keel T37 (38) will definitely outperform the CB boat upwind and likely on all points. The Soulianis couple didnt use their CB effectively and they clearly were not seeking optimal performance so suggesting that the board is only needed 10% of the time is completely false for those of us that understand how to sail these boats. And, as price goes, I'm sure you can get them sub $30K but plan on putting in another 30-40K plus thousands of hours of sweat equity if you truly want a capable cruising boat. The T37 has good bones and pedigree but like any 40 year old boat it will bite you hard if you don't fix issues and update systems.
Tim seems to generally stick to boats regular people in North America can buy. Is there a Southerly on this side of the Atlantic that's being offered for sale for less than $1 million?
@@ericfleming5522 I almost bought a southerly pilot house last year for 40k out of Florida but the lockdown kept me from viewing it and the deal fell through.
I have sailed a lot of 20ish foot trailer sailors with retractable keels. There is a lot to be said for the tunavility under sail, but also for the shallow draft with keel up. But the trailer sailors are just that, traileravle and pulling that puppy our for repairs is a snap. And yes that keel system needs maintenance. So does the locker it fits in. It is very tempting to consider a retractable keel if considering the Caribbean. I mean there are some great areas only cats get to now. My advice to anyone thinking about it is to watch a few videos of guys pulling the board for mainstream and decide if you want to do that on a much bigger boat. At 63, I think I would pass now, 20 years ago I would have done it.
How's it working out for you? I ended up buying a Cabo Rico 38 because I lucked out and found a great one for a very reasonable price earlier this year, but I looked at a fair number of C.E. Ryder boats and saw a lot to like about 'em.
@@ericfleming5522 very good she alot more maneuverable than I thought she has more a full keel but with a cutout with skeg for rudder she handles seas good doesn't pound but I really like the self tacking staysail when singlehanding
@@Yeaitstemp 😄 Yeah the cutaway keel and skeg rudder makes all the difference for maneuverability, particularly under power in reverse. I think my boat's full keel might track a little better but I always feel the trade-off when I'm backing into a slip. Fair passages!
I have never owned or sailed a centerboard boat, so I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, but I get nervous thinking about a heavy object below the waterline.
How does a 70ies/80ies Erwin 37 compare to the Tartan 37. There always seem to be several for sale. The Erwin checks alot of the boxes for me, price, center cockpit, duel cabin with heads, but they don't seem to be spoke well of by many. Idk if you have ever done a episode on the Erwin 37? There is alot of them out there n many with upgrades? Most are centerboard ketchs.
Check out Beau and Brandy's latest videos. Their Tartan centerboard Is having major issues. When you try to be a jack of all trades, you become a madter of none.
Ok, so as an owner of one of the Tartan 37's pictured IN this video (yep true!) we can say that after sailing a Tartan 37 for 8 years in the great lakes and an honest easy sailing of 15K nautical miles, we can say that the centerboard dampens the motion of the boat - on all points of sail except downwind on calm seas. The center board for sure improves the performance of the boat. We have consistently run across people sailing the Tartan 37 and casually mention they 'don't' use the center board... and we are always surprised due to the results we gain from using it! We are excited that you choose the Tartan 37 in this episode and love watching your channel!
Exactly. It dampens roll and it also helps the boat track downwind. I notice the difference when sailing in a quartering sea with the autohelm on. It works far less with the board down. A K/CB is not the most efficient arrangement because of the operating point differences between a fat low aspect keel section like the T37's and the relatively high aspect thin CB section. The addition of downwash / tip vortices from the fat keel to the CB doesn't help CB efficiency either. But, these are acceptable tradeoffs for most cruisers who want shallow draft and acceptable sailing performance. I'd much rather have a properly designed K/CB boat than a shoal keel, especially one with very draggy wings. It would be interesting to see how the K/CB T37 performs against the Sheel keel variant produced at the end of the production run.
Tartan 37 is one of the boats which I am looking at for a retirement live aboard. My wife and son will probably return to Canada and I plan to Canada so I would like a boat that can handle the great lakes and the passages between Lake Ontario and the Atlantic. Is there a passage which you would recommend and would a Tartan 37 make a good coastal cruiser and Island Hopper? I plan to spend most of my time in the Bahamas. I nearly bought a Tartan 10 when I lived in California. I have always liked these boats, Thanks.
In the 70's O'Day helped add thousands of sailors with their amazing keel/center board boats. I have a 1976 O'Day 20, 14 inch shoal draft, 5ft 6 inches board down. On a large inland lake. I Love the combo. Thanks for the great vids .
This series just keeps getting better and better. Thanks for all your hard work.
Pearson 40 has a centerboard and sails beautifully!!
Great content. I 💕 my Pearson P 40. Fair Winds.
Sailed once crossing from Kemah to Florida and then to Bimini and further south. It's definitely great blue water cruiser. Anchoring beside catamarans was 😊.
I would only add that Soulianis hasn't traveled all that far as of yet; basically just Florida and some Bahamas sailing, so the percentage of center-board useage would certainly be higher for anyone doing a circumnavigation of the world or even just a loop of the Caribbean, perhaps even significantly higher.
My buddy had a Tartan 37 for 20+ years. While sailing with him in Florida, I asked how often he has lowered the centerboard and his response....."In 20+ years.....never". As a cruiser in FL and Bahamas, he simply never had occasion to use the centerboard because either he didn't have enough depth and/or simply didn't care about another 1/2 knot of speed. It was a bit troublesome maintaining/anti-fowling the centerboard and centerboard locker.
This is actually my dream boat. They are beautiful boats inside and out. the outside lines are clean and classic. the inside is roomy for its length and the trim and woodwork is gorgeous. The center board is the clincher of the boat... shallow draft for in close to shore and the added stability in wind and open sea. These are very capable circumnavigators and open a world of anchorages that other boats cannot shelter in...
Regarding the Tartan 37 with shoal keel & centerboard, if one goes to Sailing Soulianis Ep 59 (4:00 min.) you can see the risk presented. The T37 has a synthetic line running through a curved pipe to a fiberglass sheave box in the bilge, then vertically down to an attachment point on the CB. There is a high potential for that line to chafe through and drop the CB at a time when that could be a dangerous.
[1] If one is heading downwind with large following waves, and the CB drops, then any sideways slewing of the stern on the face of a wave can readily lead to a rollover.
[2] If anchored in shallow water, and the centerboard connection fails, the CB will drop and lodge in the substrate. Any rocking of the boat due to swells will put enormous sideways force on the CB and possible damage the keel.
A similar situation exists with the Pearson 36-2, although in that case it is a steel cable that passes through multiple bronze tubes and sheave boxes. For the reasons mentioned above I decided to eliminate the CB on my P36-2. I discussed my plan with a naval architect, who encouraged me to proceed. When I removed the mechanism I was alarmed to find that the lower sheave box covered a large opening into the keel trunk. If that sheave box ever broke due to the high loads on it, there would be no way to stop the water intrusion.
I have sealed off the bottom of the keel trunk and filled the cavity with concrete. Increased ballast will stiffen the boat slightly, and the keel is now bullet-proof. I am less concerned about some loss of close-winded performance. It should be noted that the low-aspect-ratio long shoal keel and the high-aspect-ratio deep CB provide lift at different angles of attack, so performance is compromised anyway.
What are your thoughts on the Shannon 43? That’s what I’ve been looking into
I've done a lot of time on a Tartan 38.. same hull fixed keel, taller mast. Been through a lot of tough weather.. did a lot of PHRF racing.. around the buoys and offshore long distance.. a great boat
T37 has always been on my bucket list
We have a shoal draft long fin keel (under 5') on a S&S boat (Hughes 40), and we get along just fine without the centreboard. We're a ketch, though, and we were never going to be going to weather with a racing sloop in the first place. I do love the idea of the Ovni 400 or the Garcia 45, though, with their ability to moor at wading depth or dry out entirely.
see youtube "Distant shores TV" with a centreboard boat
Yes, a VERY nice Boat. I have owned and extensively cruised a S& S 26 Pawnee, an Alberg 35, a Kelly Peterson 44, a Cal 2-46 and taught sailing for a large school/charter club in San Francisco. This gave me a lot of experience on many boats of the modern racer/cruiser type. I give you this background so when I talk about my TARTAN 37 I do so with some experience. Over all I loved my Tartan. This S&S design makes a very nice sailing boat. Extremely well behaved and well balanced. A true pleasure to sail. Yes, interior is lovely. And some well placed white paint or laminate can brighten up the interior. Loved the center board design. And stepping/un stepping the mast isn’t that hard but does take as small amount more prep. The negatives on this boat is as per the vintage, she is lacking on some waterline length. Not bad though. Also you do need to thoroughly check for core saturation. I didn’t have any in the hull (thank God). But a good bit in the decks. If you are not pretty handy with fiberglass. Repairing this in a yard can rapidly add up to 10K or more. Soooooo. Watch it! A number have had this issue. Hey! What’s new, its a 30+ yr old boat. In cutting up the deck, I was surprised at How thin that the laminates were in the sandwich. For real serious blue water as in ocean crossing, keep that in mind. That said, I have crossed oceans in my other larger boats and would do so in this boat with some good prep. Again, overall……..you are right Great boat! PS. It does sail amazingly well with board up. I used it about 25% of the time. It is very easy to use and certainly does effectively cut down leeway up wind. I never had much in the way of fowling issues with it either. I love the shoal draft!
I have an O'Day 192, which I've done some local cruising with on Puget Sound. I love the versatility the centerboard gives me. In Force 7 winds, when I am already fully reefed, raising the centerboard makes the boat heel a lot less. Leeway is increased, but it then becomes comparatively easy to sail upwind.
Another informative video. Still in love with my Ontario 32. Hope to see you on the water.
Great topic, thx . Hope to see you down on the ICW south Carolina
Also I sail a Catalina 28 mii fin keel tall rig. Love to see you review this boat.
Hey Tim ….. love your channel and the work you are doing in Practical Sailor. I sail on the east coast of Canada ( basically Newfoundland). My boat is a 1984 Grampian 30 which I have owned for a year now. So far it’s been just weekend crushing but hoping to someday move up to a bigger boat and give the Caribbean a try 😊. Would love to see you do an episode on G30 and to hear your thoughts. Keep up the awesome content and looking forward to your next episode 😁👍👍
I have a Coronado 25 with a lead swing keel. I appreciate the shallow draft and counter balance to the sail when underway. So far I haven't had any problem other than the hinge joint is loose. It's noisy and irritating when at anchor and trying to minimize roll for sleeping with the keel down.
It is worth looking on youtube at Garcia Yachts complete tour by Pete Goss, a man that knows a thing or two about sailing. There is a very good explanation of the benifits of centreboard over swingkeel. Garcia yachts are made to sail blue water globally but are for from cheap. It is a good video about a yacht with more redundency built in than most. If only I could afford one, good video here as always.
In the whole aluminium expedition yacht scene, various configurations of (weighted) centerboards and lifting keels are the thing: Garcia, Bestevaer, Boreal (really innovative mini keel with centerboard, double rudder, plus daggerboards), Pelagic Yachts, Futuna Explorer, Hutting Yachts.
But we are firmly in the 800k to 1.5 million price range there. But these are purpose build high latitude yachts where the ability to hide out, fall dry, freeze in is priced high.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family have fun
We have a Bristol 43 which is a k/c. Draft board up is 4'6", down is 10'. Only time we put the board down is when going upwind. Maintenance is not an issue.
great info, great channel
There is two other place, where (weighted) centerboards and lifting keels really have their place: Expedition/high latitude aluminium yachts. Bestevaer (partially), Garcia, Boreal, Skip Novak's Pelagic Yachts, Futuna Explorer all bet on them in various forms. The plus points: hide from weather deep in anchorages and the ability to fall dry. The later is important too, in the North Sea with it's immense tides. The alternative there is the Twin Keel.
A friend of mine took his centerboard out of his 2001 Tartan 37.It was so much trouble from the line to the SS bolt glassed into the keel.
I like the interior.
Thanks for this! Really appreciate your insight. I’ll say that I for one like the teal cabins though, I could see a benefit of ash to lighten it up a bit. I think light cushions are a good offset. In contrast, I think cabins done in light colors feel very cold and uninviting. I’d lean to a 70/30 split in favor of teak/mahogany. I’m going to snoop the tartans more.
Great review of the T37C.
I love my 1981 T37C.
Well built, classic S&S design, beautiful lines.
If I had my choice, I’d prefer a fin keel. She sails well with the board up with winds about 14-15 knots or less.
If one is looking for a Good Old Boat, with a budget around $60k , I’d recommend giving a T37 C serious consideration.
Fair winds.
Nick
S/V Angela Mia #336
Lake Superior.
I love your thoroughness and style. Thank you for all the work. Do you have any suggestions for West coast boats and coastal cruising?
I had a 22 ft centreboard and loved it - the board would ride up into the boat when you ran aground - pull it up and no longer aground / come about and sail off - also had a swing rudder that did the same thing but mine needed to be wound back down whereas a redesign to change COG would make it self restore - also see youtube Distant shores TV with a centreboard - good site great info / up there with Captain Q without the fizz and dinty moore (the sailors friend)
Not sure what years they had the center board, I worked for Tartan in 79-80 on the 37 line and never seen one, only shoal keel and fin keel. They were very well built boats and it was a great experience seeing start to finish. They were starting the 42' line when I left. I think there were 3 lines running, 27' racing boat, 32' or 33' cruiser and the 37'.
Good show , I agree. I have a 1982 Catalina 38 SS. Almost the same size boat ,so is the older Erickson 38 . Think Erick Anderras No Bullshit Sailing. I do believe a smaller stiff jib sail can help. Mine is an older 150 % size. My boat has a following in racing out west . I would like to learn more about sail combos for my boat. Keep up the good reporting.
great topic🤙. love your shows dude. i always learn something watching them. 🤙🤙
We have a tartan 37.. it’s def something to think about and if things go wrong it can go epically wrong with a centerboard. But overall the boat is a dream!
Weighed the same options when looking at the Endeavour 32. All the centerboard versions I looked at, previous owners had sealed up the cavities at some point. I guess they figured it wasn't worth the maintenance either. I went with the 4' 2" shoal draft.
Hmmm, agreeing with the maintenance vs. rewards argument wholly, Tim. And, having watched the more complex Dutch aluminum solutions offered to 'Distant Shores', I too struggle with the added box, space intrusion, lifting ram and so on. Yet, the new Lifting Keel version of the Jeannuea Sun Odyssey 410 (2021) has a very small intrusion with a spyglass window to observe the ram mechanism, while the whole keel remains in the water. I worry less about the hydraulics, the stainless steel pin, etc... on this smaller pivot area- as critical as it may be- I suggest than sinking risk may be reduced. And, at worst- the board is either down, partially down or up when failure occurs. For the Bay of Fundy, or 9' tidal swings, or 8+ knot moving feasts of sand bars at river entrances- I'd sure like that safety of a 3' draw! Not to mention how much I prefer to be able to point with speed (VMG is the modern parlance) especially if I'm gonna make my wife seasick- her happiness is critical to mine- if you know what I mean. Any shortening of the discomfort is greatly appreciated. However, I really dislike the cheapness of that boats plasticy build, rough unfinished marine plywood everywhere, etc..
Great Channel! I always look forward to your next sailboat review history and thoughts. Just some food for thought for more reviews and history: I currently have a Robert Perry designed 1980 Chevy Lee 48, and a 1969 C&C Redline 41, very recently known as a 1969 Newport 41. I would love to see your take on those. And yes, I know I have a boat problem. Otherwise, Happy Holidays and keep up the great work on the channel.
About 10% T37 production were fin keel / tall rig versions known as the T38. The T38 was also produced in the UK as the Condor 37. Similar boats for consideration should also include the Ted Hood designed Bristol 35.5 and 38.8.
I’m about to buy a condor 37. What do you think of that boat?
@@FDK_7 I believe their reputation is good, but hire a reputable surveyor before you buy. After all the boat will be 40 + years old. Good luck.
Very good exploration into the merits and otherwise of the shoal keel w/board. As a dinghy sailor, I much appreciate the versatility in different points of sail. Our cruiser is a '85 C& 37 (6.7 draft), which we love to sail, but as we think more seriously about heading to SE Alaska (steeep tides), a centerboard boat is worth considering. I do hear you on the maintenance issue, though. I'd like to hear more about your experience with the Redline. Have you covered our vintage C&C 37?
Love to see a review of the Celestial 49 pilothouse I have already bought mine but would be interested in another opinion might learn something I don't know. Love your work.
Did you see the Tartan 34C that Captain Q did in Portland, Maine? I looked at it last week.
I looked at it last week. Needs a good bottom cleaning/painting and the teak brightwork is, well, not so bright. But you could throw it in the bat today and sail it.
And it can be had for next to nothing.
Thanks, I just asked a few days ago!
When you talk about a centerboard coming out the bottom of a shoal keel, the first boat I think of is the Grampian 26. On the G26, when the centerboard jams, it stays jammed, and it's difficult or impossible to repair.
I just purchased a IP 35 with the center board. I don’t know much about it and I’m in the Columbia River in Oregon. Hopefully soon I’ll be able to see how it works in the ocean
This was an interesting video. I came to the same conclusion about centerboards, the concept is great but too many moving parts that can create issues. In my opinion, less is better, but you did give me much food for thought. I plan to purchase my first live aboard sailing vessel towards the end of next year so I have been weighing all the options. I do plan to live on it full time so I want something that is comfortable. And I do plan to cross the oceans at some point. Since I am relatively new to sailing I want to stay close to home (USA) for the first two to three years. This will give me time to get use to the sailing life and will also help with the insurance since most insurance companies like to see some history of sailing before ensuring a ocean crossing. So I could see myself focusing on the Bahamas, Caribbean and perhaps the Mexican Riviera. As you pointed out in this video, a more shallow draft boat is better suited for these areas. So I have come to conclusion that I will need two boats. Well maybe not at the some time. I will buy a costal cruiser for my time in the Caribbean and then buy something more suited for ocean passages when that time comes. I'm leaning towards a Hylas 46 or 49 for my long term, blue water purchase but maybe starting off with an older Catalina, Pearson or Hunter. Open to suggestions. I appreciate what you do.
Catalina 44 MK II is worth looking at .
I recently purchased a 1978 C&C 36 KCB, previous owner removed the centerboard and replaced the 1 1/2" pivot pin with a 2" stainless pin. he owned it for over 20 years and kept it in the Columbia river ( fresh water) the entire time. Currently bringing the electrical system into the 21st century with lithium set up. I would love to hear your thoughts on this boat or rod rigging in general.
1982 Stewart 36.8 Boston boat works
Interesting timing Tim. I'm from Toronto and big fan of the show. I was wondering when you'd do an episode on Tartans. I have just narrowed down my search to only Tartans (40' range) and couldn't make a decision to go with 5.3 fixed or 4.10 centreboard route. I see the things "Distant Shores" people have done with their Southerly and that's what got me into variable keels. Unfortunately Southerly boats are just soooooo rare in NA and the prices!!!
Appreciate your research and summary of the centerboard pros/cons, nice work!
What about an overview of the Pearson 39-2 or 36-2? I have a 31-2 and love her for lake sailing and would happily consider the larger 39-2 for Bahamas cruising when the time comes. Thanks!
I would enjoy an episode on small, shallow, starter-boats that could costal island-hop for a 1-2 weeks by a minimalist couple. Such as: an Island Packet 27-29; a Hake Seaward 26RK; the Bayfield 25; Corsair 27; or my C&C 27mk V.
Love the channel. Hope to see you passing thru Annapolis.
or a 29' NIS
Great review Tim. Tartan has been on my watchlist for awhile now, really chuffed that I missed a shot at Nemea when Shaun & Julia sold her. My hang-up with a centerboard/pivot keel of any kind is the addition of failure points; enough can go wrong on a boat already, why add another moving part? Thanks again for another great review, looking forward to the next one (and maybe an update on what-all kind of work you did on Lady K this season?) The best to you, K, and the kids!
I would like to see a review of a 30’ ish full keel Island Packet....
My T37 has the Scheel keel. My boat was made towards the end of the production run. I see many FB posts showing trouble/hassle with the centerboards. Maintenance-wise, I am glad not to have a centerboard. What are your comments on performance difference between the two?
This is something that interests me with options. Want less then 40 foot. But options with draft. With pretrial and maintenance that scares some to me it's like my grandfather said don't sit in rocking chair it will kill you. I understand fixing stuff is not fun but challenge is rewarding.
Been following you for a while and love your channel. I have a Tartan 34c with a center board. I took it out for bottom pain and as I brought the center board up the rigging for it snapped, the reason why is there was so much growth in the cavity where the center board pulls up to the board couldn't go up. I had the area cleaned out and had the board held up with a metal plate. now I'm wondering if I should fix it or just use the boat with out center board. Your thoughts?
Actually I have a question you mentioned about dissimilar metals in a salt water environment: If electrolysis is a problem why do they put stainless steel balls into a bronze thru-hull valve? How often do you recommend working the valve through its' full range of motion?
Funny, but when Tartan was selling these boats, I HATED them! Old geezer boats- I remember an ad that highlighted the 13 chrome dips that each port received prior to polishing and mounting. In my mind, that was wasted weight! Hahaha. NOW, I would LOVE an aged Tartan for identical reasons: S & S design, classic lines, good PHRF speed in almost any air and at any point of sail, so forth and so on. I would even be OK with the Mahogany interior (at least it's real!). Super robust, well glassed, SS mounting points EVERYWHERE- what's not to love? Now, I think the added holes below the waterline are worth it. I'd even pay for the beer & pizza needed for annual maintenance of the fin, pin & lines to haul it up & down. I genuinely would adore the ability to touch (without bending or breaking) at low speed less deep anchorages. I love the extra 1/4 to 1 knot of boat speed speed gain way off wind, and I like the reduce forces on the wheel as well. Yes, it's a 10% proposition if you don't have it, but- it's a 90% game changer when you need it! (Honey, get out the checkbook, we're spending the kids inheritance!!!) Hahaha- great video, well shared & balanced (although highly praiseful) perspective on the 'Ole Tartan 37! Thanks- I'm subscribing just to enjoy the memories!
Imagine if you will: above mentioned Tartan 37 with brand new 17 strand rigging. Design/build a 'fathead' wing sail for the main & load up that forestay with a new material 150% Genoa on a SS furler. A full spinnaker, a code zero & a nice asymmetrical & you are screaming down to the caribbean and flying on every day sail.... Best. $100K. EVER! (jes sayin') Disclaimer: One man's opinion, I suggest you get at least one more...opinion that is!
Yea I agree with the extra problems you get with the center board. I have a 85 Tartan 34-2 fixed shoal keel. I have been water at 5 feet of water too.Great little boat and can get it on its groove pretty easy. It’s about the passage and the adventure that makes sailing enjoyable for me.
Sailing Soulianis had a big problem with there center board in early videos. But they are great to watch.
...Cheers...
Yes I'd like to see a video on my Dockrell 27.
I have a py23 what are your thoughts on it, has a swing center board in the keel. I was looking for a towable sailboat with good sailing abilities. Like to here your thoughts on them.
Three years ago we moved from our 1965 Columbia 33 Caribbean to our Islander Freeport 41 Ketch, 1978.
What can you learn about these boats?
Love the feed of information on your channel, and yes I would like to hear what you think of the Whitby 42. What do you think 🤔
If you are cruising do you really want to go to windward? Wait a day or two and it will come around, or you could think of somewhere else to go.
Hi, do the centreboards just hold them selves down with weight or do you need a line to lock it in the downward position. Worried about constant banging against the hull. Thank you.
Yes they are often hundreds of pounds. Nothing to worry about.
@@LadyKSailing Ok, do you know if there are wear pads on either side of the board to control any slop or are they quite loose?
Since you love S&# designs, and also like Catalinas, you should do the Catalina 38… it has quite a background
Have you done a review of the Wauquiez Hood 38? This also has a centerboard. I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this set up. It is rigged differently than the Tartan (which I’m fond of, having grown up sailing one!).
What are good models of old world craftsman boats for coastal cruising and island hopping? I plan to sail the east coast and Gulf in the near future, spend most of my time in the Bahamas, Caribbean and Virgin Islands but travel to Lake Ontario every summer to see family so I would be up and down the east coast. Looking for a full time live-aboard 30-40 ft that can be rigged for solo sailing. I want a quality made, non-production, older boat with shallow draft. Thanks.
What do you think of the bombay 26 express swing keel
What do you think of the Ericson sailboat
Redline 25, downwind, spinnaker, rudder, broach...
The one Tartan (30) in my old yacht club lost his centerboard, no sitting on the bottom of the mooring field. That was about 2 years after replacing the pivot and cable. Nice boats but very flawed.
As the owner of a T37 and having gone through much of a soup to nuts refit plus thousands of miles of sailing, I can say I disagree with some key points made in this video. True, the T37 is still a great cruising boat so long as you don't ascribe to modern philosophy of sacrificing seaworthiness and sailing attributes for space and ammenities. Most T37s are over 40 years old now and they certainly have common issues that should've been clear from browsing the T37 forum. The build quality is good for a production boat but it's a far cry from more upscale builders of the day. While the CB arrangement adds some complexity it is hardly complicated. The performance is good but still a tradeoff and a deep keel T37 (38) will definitely outperform the CB boat upwind and likely on all points. The Soulianis couple didnt use their CB effectively and they clearly were not seeking optimal performance so suggesting that the board is only needed 10% of the time is completely false for those of us that understand how to sail these boats. And, as price goes, I'm sure you can get them sub $30K but plan on putting in another 30-40K plus thousands of hours of sweat equity if you truly want a capable cruising boat. The T37 has good bones and pedigree but like any 40 year old boat it will bite you hard if you don't fix issues and update systems.
Also look at the Pearson 35 especially if you have a lower budget.
You should do one on the Southerly... the swing keel recesses almost flush with the hull
Tim seems to generally stick to boats regular people in North America can buy. Is there a Southerly on this side of the Atlantic that's being offered for sale for less than $1 million?
@@ericfleming5522 I almost bought a southerly pilot house last year for 40k out of Florida but the lockdown kept me from viewing it and the deal fell through.
Would there be enough interest for a video on the Beneteau Idylle 37?
How about the Bayfield 40 with the Ketch rig ?
I have sailed a lot of 20ish foot trailer sailors with retractable keels. There is a lot to be said for the tunavility under sail, but also for the shallow draft with keel up. But the trailer sailors are just that, traileravle and pulling that puppy our for repairs is a snap. And yes that keel system needs maintenance. So does the locker it fits in. It is very tempting to consider a retractable keel if considering the Caribbean. I mean there are some great areas only cats get to now. My advice to anyone thinking about it is to watch a few videos of guys pulling the board for mainstream and decide if you want to do that on a much bigger boat. At 63, I think I would pass now, 20 years ago I would have done it.
How about video on Gemini catamarans ?? Had a redline 25 now a Catalina 25 Gemini may be next ..
interesting to note the use of the centreboard only 10 percent up wind yes good thing rest of the time well is what it is
Looks like I'm getting a southern cross 28 but can you do a saber 34 compare to the tartan thanks
How's it working out for you? I ended up buying a Cabo Rico 38 because I lucked out and found a great one for a very reasonable price earlier this year, but I looked at a fair number of C.E. Ryder boats and saw a lot to like about 'em.
@@ericfleming5522 very good she alot more maneuverable than I thought she has more a full keel but with a cutout with skeg for rudder she handles seas good doesn't pound but I really like the self tacking staysail when singlehanding
@@Yeaitstemp 😄 Yeah the cutaway keel and skeg rudder makes all the difference for maneuverability, particularly under power in reverse. I think my boat's full keel might track a little better but I always feel the trade-off when I'm backing into a slip.
Fair passages!
I would like to see my boat a 42 foot west wind ketch.
There's nothing preventing you from getting out a can of white paint and painting teak. Millennium Falcon did exactly that.
I have never owned or sailed a centerboard boat, so I'm speaking from a position of ignorance, but I get nervous thinking about a heavy object below the waterline.
How does a 70ies/80ies Erwin 37 compare to the Tartan 37. There always seem to be several for sale. The Erwin checks alot of the boxes for me, price, center cockpit, duel cabin with heads, but they don't seem to be spoke well of by many. Idk if you have ever done a episode on the Erwin 37? There is alot of them out there n many with upgrades? Most are centerboard ketchs.
Could you do a video on the 1980 Irwin Citation 39 🙏 I just bought it a few months ago.
Did you get a new camera set up ? Looks super clear, great breakdown, that centerboard set up is sketchy on Tartan
Thanks! Same GoPro 7 but better lighting now. And a real mic for the audio :)
How about the Reinke 13?
Check out Beau and Brandy's latest videos. Their Tartan centerboard Is having major issues. When you try to be a jack of all trades, you become a madter of none.
Pretty sure they're sailing a Pearson.
Love to see a video on bilge keel Vivacity 20s and their cousins. She might be small, but she's mighy
S&S Tartan center boards are potentially a disaster when the center board tube fitting fails!
#productivecomments
should not fail with proper and regular maintenance
can you do one on the catalina 30
Isn't the hull a cored hull. That worries me.
Would enjoy your thoughts on Hunter 336 1995
Also on Stackpac sail
Do a video on the odium 28
What about an episode on Catalina 30?
How about the Gulfstar 44 cc. Love your channel btw.
Soulianis is for sale (or sold) they are taking up homesteading with their new born
How about reviewing Hake Seaward Lifting Keel (32RK)?
Ok, Endeavour 37 1978