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This is the dumbest controversy I've heard in a while in the metal community. Why would anyone care about what a band dresses like more than the actual music itself?
When I saw Thantifaxath last night, I came decked out in the typical battle vest and Candlemass shirt. By contrast, my friend who tagged along decided to just go with some cargo shorts and a goofy Star Wars shirt (not to ounlike how Tomb Mold presented themselves).
That was a choice so based that honestly, *I* started feeling more like the poser.
I wore an I See Stars long sleeve to the date in Toronto and nobody gave me any shit for it. Everybody was super nice and chill.
"The truth is metalheads care deeply about fashion."
I really wish this wasn't the case, but it's true. As you pointed out, this is a "controversy" in the metal community. I personally choose to ignore fashion in metal.
I remember a comment on a Rageaholic video I saw a while back (don't worry. I only go their for his Metal and Music Mythos series and to be entertained by idiocy. I disagree with him on almost everything except for his musical opinions). The comment talked about how the commentor liked being an "undercover metalhead" because they could look completely normal and then see the surprised look on the face of a guy with long hair and leather jacket when the commentor talks about their taste in music.
Bottom line, fuck fashion. Listen to what you like.
A SHIRT! AHHHHHHHHH
Since clothing is mandatory outside, I use basic metal fashion as an expression of my identity (both gender and in general). I feel more confident when I'm wearing a metal shirt and jeans + cargo + studded bracelets in the summer than I do being limited to presenting hoodies in the winter (hoodies are much more expensive). Hell, I've used the contrast of pastel goth aesthetics with metal fashion to represent myself as a non-binary person.
Metal has an iconic "look", but ultimately, metal is a music genre, not a fashion genre. You can be into metal and love metal fashion, as I do to an extent, but at the end of the day, anyone telling you that you can't be a metalhead because of fashion is a bullshit gatekeeper that needs to be yeeted into the sun. The only requirement there should ever be to being a metalhead is liking metal music!
Oh, and one more thing, this is why I hate the whole trope of "Name three songs" whenever a woman is wearing a Metallica shirt or some shit. Why should we give a shit if someone likes the fashion but not the music? It doesn't effect us, and it makes the bands money, so maybe we should get off our high horse and let people enjoy whatever the fuck?
Well said!
I have no issue with people getting metal apparel from Hot Topic. I also have no issue with people wearing music apparel even if they know nothing about the music. Wear what you want.
Metal is whatever you want it to be about! ❤
Disagree. If metal is about whatever you want it to be, then what does it stand for? What is the true purpose of metal? How does it stand out from other genres of music? I understand that metal can mean different things to different people, however, there has to be some form of collective interpretation for metal. Of course, such views are subjective but that doesn’t mean that some views aren’t more accurate than others. Otherwise, metal would have no distinction from other categories of art and entertainment and frankly, metal wouldn’t be metal.
@@peepturner8325you sound very pretentious.
This reminds me of when that one black metal band called Sacred Son used a vacation photo of a guy in sunglasses just chilling as an album cover. I thought it was pretty awesome, but so many chronically online black metal elitists were losing their minds over it. It was so funny to watch.
Thanks for making this video. I’ve never bought any metal merch or anything. I don’t even live in a state with any real metal scene - just country and hip hop (which is fine of course, I love hip hop music) but finding people who like metal stuff is a rarity around here. Its good to know that I can wear what I’ve always worn and still love metal and be a part of the metal community!
especially back in my younger teen days (late 90s) Hot topic WAS the metal shop. from goth all the way up to Jnco jeans……it shouldn’t matter so much to others
I must admit that I’m one of those “don’t wear a band shirt unless you know the band”😅 But I wouldn’t interrogate someone about it, that’s just savage!
I get your point but I don't see why it matters. If someone likes the print because it just looks cool or they like the colours then who really cares? For example, I don't like football (the round one you kick with your feet) but I collect old shirts because they look cool, to me at least. I've gotten so much shit for wearing an old Germany top from the early 90's because I like the colours. It looks metal. I don't like football, don't care about it. I've almost gotten into fights with weirdos talking shit to me.
You know what’s not metal? Caring about what other people wear!
Great video, this stuff needed to be said and I honestly wish we had hot topic here in Poland.
good video. that guy from tomb mold is slaying that Ghost in the Shell shirt.
The sheer fact that this is even an issue just killed off more of my brain cells.
I’m 43 now and still love listening to metal and going to gigs. I also enjoy other types of music. I used to wear alot of band T-shirts, but as I’ve gotten older I’ve grown out of it. You don’t need to wear band T-shirts, wear all black etc to be a fan of metal music. I personally like to wear jeans, jogging bottoms, vans/Nike/addidas clothing and plain T-shirts/hoodies etc. I also like smart wear too. Dress how you feel comfortable and don’t feel pressured to fit into a particular box. I listen to everything from Metallica to Dying Fetus. From Opeth to Steven Wilson, Ghost to Korn and Carpenter Brut to Zeal and Ardor.
I always wear non metal shirts to Metal shows, I love getting looks, but they see me head bang and cheer for the band, and then they're like whoa, he's a fan.
One of the reasons why I love Anthrax it's because the relaxed clothing they used. But most importantly, they didn't take too seriously, they just thrashed around the world while wearing NFL jerseys or Public Enemy t-shirts.
That didn't made Anthrax less metal than other bands.
If you watch Devourment's Butcher the Weak studio video, Ruben Rosas is wearing like, a pale green polo shirt recording all the insanely brutal riffs on that album lmao
That means if you listen to that album... ALL THOSE RIFFS you hear were performed by a PALE GREEN POLO GUY HAHAHA
And now as of a couple years ago he's had a haircut and went dad mode. Less terrifying on stage (although he looks a bit like Ed Kemper now lol) but still is one of the most true musicians to come out of the really brutal side of brutal death metal
Like a person who studied journalism, im not too surprised to the level of gossip in a lot of metal/rock press. Its like news about new albums and bands arent enough. So they push for a lot of dumb TMZ gossip for metalheads. I cant blame some people in pages like metal injection and metalsucks, but its kinda annoyed.
My dad has a phrase for a situation like this, and that is some people aren't happy unless they're complaining.
Great video metal meltdown! Also since Carnifex's new album is around the corner, is it possible we'll get a discography review of them before it comes out?
maaaybe
ah, another day where the metal community conjures up some ridiculous drama over how people dress. i honestly think it's pretty funny how upset certain people get over stuff like this whilst also being the same ones to insist metal has 'nothing to do with fashion!!!'. it's very silly lol
(i still remember when that one girl who thought metallica was a clothing brand got literal death threats. totally normal mature adult behaviour 💀)
I own just as many anime shirts as I do band shirts, hell I own more Godzilla shirts than I do band shirts, but I'm still the neighborhood and work metal guy thru and thru. Ones own fashion can be as flexible as your music taste
I live in Asia. Apart from Japan, I literally have to go to a different continent in order to see a decent band and buy merch.
I enjoy the metal look a lot, and getting into it myself has been really fun, and it's nice to "belong" in that sense. When you're out in the world and two people see each other, and you just know, and have that silent acknowledgement. Great feeling.
That being said, while I think it's a fun sort of stereotype, it is ultimately still a stereotype, and not truly that important, and nobody has to adhere to it. People do take it too seriously. I'd never judge anyone else based on it. Just casual enjoyment.
Great video.
I love metal to death and I wear basketball shorts and Wu Tang shirts.
Hahaha this was great. I used to say that “name my 5 songs noooowwww” all the time. I was in my 20’s, and I’m 41 now and I couldn’t care what band shirt they wear now or where they bought it. It doesn’t matter at the end of the day. If it looks good buy it who cares 😊🤘🏻
This is one of those things that people PRETEND is a thing, but isn't actually a thing. Kinda like how when covid started, people online were losing their minds talking about how toilet paper didn't exist anywhere, but every store I ever went to was just as full up as ever of the stuff. It's only an issue or a big deal to internet nerds. Not to anybody in real life.
In fact, the only sort of interaction I've ever had with people regarding "metal clothing" in real life was people I didn't care to speak to, trying to talk to me, and just making me embarrassed for them. I was at a bar a few months ago and some bud light drinkin' mushroom cut zoomer in a pink shirt and flip flops was like "oh, you like metal bro? Yeah this song is for you bro, I knooowww you'll like this one" and changes the music to some emo crap. He was absolutely astounded that I don't listen to "Every Time I Die". This repeated a few more times with other whiny core stuff and I kept telling him I don't listen to that kind of music. I'm wearing boots, Pathologist shorts, an Embalmer t-shirt, a vest with a big Hell Awaits backpatch, and a Destroyer 666 cap. I'm fat-ripped with a big santaclaus beard drinking Jameson straight. What about any of that screams that my favorite band is "crabcore" or that I listen to twinkcore at all? He asked what I DO like and I tried listing some of the most popular bands I could think of. Immolation, Cannibal Corpse, Burzum, Slayer... He was just stunned. Hadn't even heard of'em. I proceed with "Metallica? Motorhead? Iron Maiden? Black Sabbath?" Just to try seeing if the lights were on at all in there, and he goes "oh yeah I've heard of Iron Maiden". Needless to say, the interaction ended with me moving to the other side of the bar and pulling out a book when he was in the middle of trying to say something.
I don't go out of my way to care what others wear and do but it sure as fuck bothers me when people do it to me.
There'll be NO SNOWFLAKES ALLOWED!
Metal is not a personality trait
That is all, have a nice day
I think that listening to the music is more important than looking like you do.
no…Metal is not ALL about fashion.
Metal to me, is the way the music hits your soul…it’s the most important part. and in that, comes how you want to represent or demean yourself. and that’s where the fashion and apparel come in.
but when people bitch and complain about what shirt one wears. is just something immature that probably every one goes through. but SHOULDVE GROWN OUT OF AFTER HIGH SCHOOL.
THE AUDACITY! xD
I got a really nice Cattle Decap shirt from Hot Topic.
Another one who has a strict dress code to be "true metal" " fitting the bill" is UA-cam channel Metal guy Justin Horval. He runs the label and Distro HELLS HEADBANGERS . Regarding bands performing on stage, no wearing shorts, no cammo pants, only all black clothes. No blue jeans. No sports shirts/jerseys. If you're wearing a hat, make sure there's some bend in that cap brim, no homeboy rapper stuff whatsoever . No stupid looking short haircuts. You'll hear that in many of his daily videos.
Goofy old man
ngl it's kind of suspect how hard he goes on hip hop influence in clothing... like, it's almost never actually in the music, it's just in the clothes, and it still bothers him. Why???
This is J Dawgs fault, lol.
Great analysis
Love this style of video dude .. made a lot of great points while also being informative. Keep up the great work 🍻🤘
Metal is about the music. Those of us who have been around since Metal started knows this.
I feel personally attacked by the MW hat in the thumbnail that I happen to have lol, great hat too
In all due seriousness though, I do enjoy seeing others doesn't matter where you get it HAVE SOME RESPECT YALL! Like metal shirts/fashion are great conversation pieces
If it makes you feel better I have the same hat lmao
I've worn shirts with train graphics on them to shows. At this point, terminally online nerds just need to go outside.
Especially if you're underage without a credit card, get your funds together, go online and have your parents(or anyone else with a credit/debit card) and purchase the shirt...sounds lame, but again, this may be your only option
**there's the possibility they might not like your choice and will refuse to buy, so have a plan B or C ready to go
I actually interviewed the band on my channel and we laughed at this offline. We focused on their amazing album. I am an adult and I have kids so I cant go to every show. I bought shirts in Hot Topic , no shame in that. Good video.
Metal is about Satan not fasion
This remindes me how I saw the band Tiamat at the festival like 15 years ago. If you don't know them, they're started as a death doom band and later they changed their sound into gothic metal/rock. That sounds like a band that would wear nothing but black coats and shit, right?
Well, not at the show that I saw. Their stage clothes was as casuall as you can imagine. And because they also tunned their own instruments before the show, I thought that they were just roadies. Hell, the guitarist wore a pink undershirt and his hair was tied up in braids!
I don't know if they just wanted to troll people or if this was just because they played in the middle of the hot summer day. Still pretty funny, I think. 😁
I'm willing to bet its a combination of both lmao
As tempting as it is for me to wear my patch jacket all the time, extreme heat or cold in Canada makes that difficult. Gotta improvise.
No.... i refuse. Fucking no.
Metal was SUPPOSED to be i get to wear black, i wear a band tee, my clothes are somewhat washed... WHAT IS THIS?!
I found my 'Memoirs of a Murderer' shirt from 'King 810' at a fucking 'Hot Topic'.
A jazz band dressed up as a black metal band would be funny, but yeah I agree, who cares how a band or musician dresses, like that's cool
The b'ys throwing a hissy fit over Tomb Mold wearing t-shirts is the most internet metal nerd thing.
Weirdest shit is they don't even dress any different to any other local metal band I've seen in the last 15 years.
"not dressing metal" is so adolescent.
Its kinda sad when you think these are supposed adults saying this.
The amount of time that guy who calls himself "jdog" bashes on new bands and people "NoT LoOkINg MeTaL bro" its cringe.
They don't fit the bill brah brah, bunch of canoes
Sorry I dont speak stupid
People are forgetting a fundamental aspect of metal....I don't give af what other aholes do or think.
Id prolly cry if Metallica cut my hair lmao
This "controversy" was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen, because metal bands dressing like regular people are thing since the 90s (actually it's a thing since the beginning of metal) and especially is ridiculous nowadays because apart from bands like Sleep Token and The Hu (and even these bands aren't like super crazy on his clothes), majority of the bands nowadays wear normal clothes.
So i should wear a polo with skinny khakis and yachting shoes to the knocked loose show?
Sure, fuck it lmao. Wear whatever the hell you want.
@@themetalmeltdownofficial lol thanks bro. I feel better about it now.
@@GlassThirdEye I think you should be able to, but be aware there are some real meat heads at beatdown shows who are more likely to hit you if you're wearing that
@@Sergio-nb4hj yes you should wear what ever you are comfortable in. I was just making a bad joke.
I’m 50 and been a metal head for 36 years but more or less dress normy jeans n plain t 😎
Metal shouldn't be about fashion, but yes it really is! Good video and well said!
Venom looked like a biker gang from mad max
There’s plenty of other reasons to not like Tomb Mold.
I needs to go to Hot Topic to hopefully find good metal merch. Last I went it was stocked full of anime and comic book shirts. I don't care about that crap.
I havent been in one in a long time and now I kinda want to go lmao
I'm always going to wear a metal band shirt to a show along with a baseball cap. My hair is too thin now in my late forties. I miss the long hair days. Banging your head isn't the same when you have mere whiskers on your dome.
Silly, pointless convtroversy at the end of the day.
Wear what you want assholes.
Wear the type of fashion you want. The important thing of this is to not give a fuck and if you like it then you like it. Also I bought Iron Maiden shirts at Hot Topic so I guess I’m a Poser!!!
I saw Killswitch Engaged with Soilwork and Hypocrisy back in the early 2000s and they came out wearing light-colored polo shirts. While they did stick out like a sore thumb it wasn't a big deal.
Thats a gnarly line up
@@themetalmeltdownofficial It's the most memorable show I went to just because it was at a new warehouse in Birmingham Alabama where nobody knew the location so only 20 people showed up. So everyone hung out after the show with the band members and drank some beer and had convos. I shared my blunt I had with a few band members of each band. It was great, lol.
6:15 Even Ihsahn of Emperor one of the greatest black metal bands of all time wears normal fucken clothes. The dude looks like a middle aged hipster in the modern era.
by the way i got to see them this year and Samoth was wearing a hoodie all night. I come for the music not for theatrics
Fashion plays apart but I think mailorder plays a huge part in all underground music
Look at hardcore influenced bands like Helmet. They were notable for not looking metal. Even anti-fashion is a fashion statement.
"Uhh, huh-huh... if you, like, saw these guys on the street, you wouldn't even know they were cool" --Butt-head
@@fclefjefff4041 being of
Gen-x, Beavis and Butthead pop up in my brain on a regular basis as well.
I thought a video game t-shirt is the most death metal thing you can wear!
I think these days things are starting to cool down a bit but maybe that's just my perception. However, back in the days in my early 20s... to say the metal and the punk scenes were insular was a bit of an understatement 🤣 Oh the shit I got for wearing a hockey jersey to a metal show!
Honestly the funniest thing I ever encountered is that a friend of mine dragged me into some goth club playng nothing like EBM and aggrotech: me sticking out like a sore thumb wearing an Armani shirt and a pair of Dsquare jeans, surrounded by rivet heads all dressed in black latex and gas masks. And u know what? Apparently people actually liked me for looking so different from the rest hahaha
never seen a bigger nonissue lol how bored are some people that this is an issue for them?
Metallica is a great clothing brand!
Metal Injection put the final nail in the coffin
I am never taking any Metal Outlet seriously ever again
Loudwire posted about it too lmao, mustve been a slow news day.
I was going to say "But it's true, metal isn't about fashion", but then I remembered how 99% of metal fans and metal band members within particular subgenres all dress the same exact way, as if they're expected to. Like if you're a metal fan, you have to look like a cliche metal fan. The way I dress, I get comments all the time: "You're into metal??? You don't look like it." And it's confusing to me. Metal is just music. Something you blast into your ears and listen to. That's all music is. Why do I need to LOOK a certain way? It's weird to me, personally. Like you're expected to wear your 'metal uniform' if you listen to metal. Nah, I dress how the f*ck I please. And THIS is the proper metal attitude. F*ck you, f*ck what you think, I will dress and behave as I want. Despite not even looking like a typical metalhead, my mindset is far more 'metal' than most metalheads who do everything in their power to 'look the part'. Ironic.
I would love it if Metallica cut my hair!
If Metal wasn’t about fashion Thrashers like me wouldn’t wear bullet belts, denim vests, and white high top nikes. Black metal fans wouldnt wear corpse paint, spikes, and all black
Hot Topic is such a legit place to buy metal/metal adjacent stuff for kids the bad rap it gets is fuckin ridiculous. As a grown man I’ll say with my whole chest hot topic still has dope shirts idc and I’ll physically fight you if you do.
I listen to some vile stuff and will gladly put on some pop music or leave the house in a Melanie Martinez shirt does that make the brutal stuff I like less brutal?….No! Metal heads can truly be the most pretentious douchebags ever.
Goofy ass controversy. Just let people wear what they want. The hot topic thing as well is also goofy. I have gotten 80% of my CC shirts from hot topic recently. And one from a show. Show support for the artists however way you want. Streaming or buying, who gives a fuck.
I feel like the metal subculture is mostly dead at this point. Metal music is going strong, but the community isn't the same anymore.
Subculture definitely not dead bud, its simply changed.
What subgenre? Every metal space I'm in is really active and supportive of bands and each other
I just blast death metal hella loud when i drive. And watch as everyone looks at me with disgust or every now and then someone will vibe to it. I just love when people will purposely try to keep at my pace no matter how fast or slow im going just so they can hear my music.
People can wear whatever they want but it’s disappointing when I think I found a fellow metal head to talk to only to discover he’s a poser.
If people are saying Tomb Mold are not metal because of the way they look, then they are not listening to the music. The music is what matters most, not the "uniform" they wear. They can be cos playing as Sesame street characters and it wouldn't matter because the music would be just as heavy and kick just as much ass. Just sayin'.
A Sesame Street death metal band would be funny as fuck dont even lie
@@themetalmeltdownofficial Hell yeah! I should trademark that! Lol
oh hell people were whining and crying when chuck shuldner wore a funny cat t shirt
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Tomb Mold need to be cast out of the metal community for this! It’s disgraceful!! I’m DISGUSTED!!
Metal is a sound not a fashion trend.
I watch Justin Horval's channel a lot and it would be interesting to get his take on this.
His point is that bands have to 'look the part'. Yet... he's calling out 'posers' all the time.
I think there's definitely a contradiction there, it should be the music that matters, not the dresscode.
I already know what he would think and I don't intend on putting much stock into it lmao
I have to order my shirts online cuz I’m fat as shit.
Also I’ve seen Burzum and Reek of the Unzen Gas Fumes shirts at hot topic, can we call them poser bands now?
BURZUM AT HOT TOPIC LMAO WTF 💀💀💀💀💀
@@themetalmeltdownofficialyeah, but Reek shirts horrified me. A full blown NSBM band
Holy shit really?💀💀. I’ve never seen reek shirts in my hot topics in my area. Maybe I’m just blind.
@@TheDastardlyDipshits thats fucking insane lmao, some wild mfers workin in the shipping & ordering departments I guess
@@themetalmeltdownofficial yeah, to make thing weird, I have NEVER seen a Deafheaven shirt there once
I will say this and I will stfu cuz other than this one particular instance, I dont care. What I like about metal bands and bands under that blanket term is the fact that they wear what they want. I love that. Its them. Its how they wanna present themselves. Awesome. Ive never been swayed from listening to/liking a band cuz they don't fit the mold or whatever. Thats just dumb. HOWEVER. I was a huge linkin park fan since 2000.... then in 2007 they drastically changed cuz of their producer or whatever and they were like styled rather than having their own style if that makes sense. Kinda turned me off when they started wearing skinny jeans and fedoras. Dont misunderstand me, I dont care WHAT it is... its when you start wearing what you're being told to wear thats just not you then it just gives me the ick. Alright everyone now you can start giving me hate. 😣
Idc how a band dresses up as long as the music is still good. A Metal singer can wear a fucking Selena Gomez shirt for all I give a shit as long as the music they make is still good
Nope we are tribal we don't like emos and now we don't like goths. We tribal metal heads were cool with goths until they became a trend and into the mainstream hanging out with hip hoppers
Fu.58ck all that we don't want posers who only listen to mainstream and nu metal . We peaceful in all but we don't wanna associat with fake metal fans