What killed the Blackberry

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  • The fall of Blackberry. Where did we go wrong?
    In retrospect, I suspect RIM (Blackberry) was already doomed even before its heyday.
    The entrance of Apple and Google changed the game, and RIM could not adapt fast enough.
    00:00 In brief
    00:26 1993 Start first modem module
    01:25 1995 Start first integrated messaging device
    02:18 1997 Start what would become blackberry
    02:50 1998 Blackberry!
    03:43 Blackberry System diagram
    05:59 1999 Getting into GPRS and phones
    07:33 Want to be like a big telecom
    08:16 Parachute in the Motoroala managers
    09:20 2006 Apple and Google working on it
    12:25 What made blackberry great no longer mattered
    14:22 Apple and Google changed the game
    15:19 RIM falls behind
    16:19 Where did we go wrong
    17:00 CEO distractions
    18:11 What should have been done but couldn't be done
    22:24 Some of my favourite Blackberry deivces

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  • @jamesthomas4080
    @jamesthomas4080 6 місяців тому +119

    Matthias, you give a textbook example of why the innovator's dilemma is a thing. Thank you for that great history lesson from an insider's perspective.

  • @MattInglot
    @MattInglot 5 місяців тому +15

    I was a co-op student there in 2006 the summer before the iphone came out. I still remember the day I had a conversation with a higher up. I was telling him how excited I'll be for the day that portable cameras, mp3 players, and GPS will be obsolete because the BlackBerry will do them all instead. I was told in clear terms that this was impossible. Mobile cameras would never be good enough. GPS used too much battery. Music would always work better on an iPod type device.
    I think about that conversation a lot.

    • @VITAS874
      @VITAS874 Місяць тому

      Things was simple back then.

  • @typeaboutit
    @typeaboutit 6 місяців тому +79

    Matthias hits it out of the park again! Loved the in depth history lesson from an engineer who's clearly thought this through :)

    • @zeekbruno4869
      @zeekbruno4869 6 місяців тому +1

      Matthias yes no kidding,
      But Blackberry was awesome and breakthrough. It’s easy to put this report together after years latter (Monday morning)
      It’s what kept us productive in Busines And they were Very secure communications

  • @brynyard
    @brynyard 6 місяців тому +19

    One of the killer features on the iPhone keyboard was a capacitive touch screen instead of the previous resistive ones. Capacitive was hard to do well, and they pushed the tech a bit and therefor got an edge on everyone else at launch.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +13

      yes, and the multi touch allowed for two key rollover, which made typing easier and faster

    • @nascheme
      @nascheme 6 місяців тому +7

      Another tidbit of history: Apple was able to do multi-touch well because they acquired Fingerworks a short time before the iPhone came out. I would guess a lot of the research done by the Fingerworks team went into making a great touchscreen phone. I think it also helped with their laptop touchpads. Even now, I think most people would prefer the Apple trackpads.
      Thanks for the history on RIM/Blackberry. One thing I think hurt Blackberries a lot was their web brower. It was quirky, non-standard and clumsy to use. Using a browser on an iPhone or Android was a lot more pleasant. If you only wanted email and instant messaging, BB was fantastic.

  • @jgurtz
    @jgurtz 4 місяці тому +1

    This has got to be one of the most thoughtful and well put together lessons on the tech industry. I greatly enjoyed watching, as I did using my last blackberry 81xx-something with all the keys and the lovely thumb trackball. BES, the RIM support team, and the documentation were always top notch! It was a pleasure to support.

  • @Aratimb
    @Aratimb 4 місяці тому +10

    Matthias, I noticed some weird crypto channel video on my sub feed that i've never subscribed to, and went to check the channel and all videos out and the videos there are yours, which means your main channel has been hacked.

  • @FullSendPrecision
    @FullSendPrecision 6 місяців тому +25

    Really interesting. I started administering and owning blackberry servers in 2004... I had many of the units from the original "pager" - The battery life was... forever. The network worked... everywhere. I switched to the iPhone when the 3GS came out, whenever that was. I thought the blackberry OS was MUCH more sophisticated than iOS at the time... but iOS was pretty.

  • @mnoxman
    @mnoxman 6 місяців тому +21

    Point of order. (RIP Motorola) Moto was taken over by a "activist investor" by the early 2000s and had spun off the semiconductor, Two-way radio and computer/programming divisions along with all the patents to the highest bidder. This left the Mobile phone division, though funded, with out engineering resources and that was eventually sold to Google who took some patents some technology and sold that to Lenovo. I would argue that Moto Mobile phone division was agile in the 90s but had a shadow of their engineering fortitude by 2006. By 2007 "Motorola" was a brand that had gravitas but internally they were just a couple of trade marks and some patents others didn't want. In practicality Motorola was lobotomized by it's investors for RIM, Apple and Google. Though Google picked it's pockets before senting to a 'happy-dale" in upstate China.

    • @aserta
      @aserta 6 місяців тому +1

      Motorola and Nokia were both inside jobs. Corporate raiding (or similar) should be a punishable offense of the highest order. I'd put those SOBs in the same jail cells with common criminals. We're talking here about the tech stuff, but in reality, this is about thousands or more employees that got shafted so other corporations could play the game. Not cool in my book.

  • @ZefStudio
    @ZefStudio 6 місяців тому +8

    I absolutely love hearing your unique perspective on all this! I loved hearing what you had to say about BlackBerry's competitive advantages and what happened as the industry evolved. The way they were able to deliver email over the no-internet network is really cool, but once the networks and chipsets matured, it just didn't matter anymore!
    Another interesting bit of related history that you skimmed over is that when pursuing the iPhone, there were two internal projects. One based on the Mac OS X and one based on the iPod OS. Of course the OS X-based system ended up winning out. The original iPhone (both hardware and software) was developed so aggressively by such a small team of developers, it's incredible what they were able to put out in a stable state at launch.
    The announcement of the iPhone was really what got me into software development when I was in college. I slept on the sidewalk to get the first iPhone on launch day, and have enjoyed watching the industry changing over time.

  • @oldengineguy
    @oldengineguy 6 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for putting this together for us Mathias, it’s nice to hear it from your perspective.

  • @RK-kn1ud
    @RK-kn1ud 4 місяці тому +17

    Looks like your other channel was hacked.

  • @billkimmel5427
    @billkimmel5427 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for making this video. I was an early adopter of RIM/Blackberry and a professional fan of technology development. Your story proves the point that technology solutions exist in a dynamic environment where (in my NASA days) we describe a "feed forward" loop. quite different than a feedback loop. Well done in sharing this story. I remain a fan of all your videos. Truly the best of the UA-cam Mathias. Be well.

  • @bigpushing7167
    @bigpushing7167 5 місяців тому

    "No UA-cam or scrolling through social media being a feature"
    you don't know how much I miss those times
    Thanks for the video!

  • @deepblueride
    @deepblueride 6 місяців тому

    This video made my day 😉Getting more details on the backend infrastructure was really cool (not that I haven't got rough idea what was behind the scenes, but being reminded things like 3DES used to be encryption standard was nice blast from the past😉). Thank you for this!

  • @casikamodern3596
    @casikamodern3596 6 місяців тому +12

    Thank you for the history lesson. I am old enough to have gone through that period but had resisted on getting work emails on personal time so by the time I relented and was deciding on which device to buy, the IPhone 4 had won out. I had no experience with the physical keyboard so it was the sexier larger screen and web browsing ability that had won me over.

  • @TofuInc
    @TofuInc 6 місяців тому +4

    I still have a Blackberry 8100. My favorite was the 8220 Pearl Flip. I really enjoyed that story. 2007 was an interesting time when everyone was innovating and there were a ton of devices coming to market. Now all the phones are the same. I really miss that.

  • @gwesco
    @gwesco 6 місяців тому +1

    Reminds me of the telecom industry at the time. In 1975 I worked for a large hospital that had a step by step telecom switch from the local telco. It used a manual cord board and had rotary dialing. We bought an ITT digital phone system which supported DTMF and had many more features. It was programmable to a certain extent. Then in 1984 we bought a Northern Electric SL-1 system that was fully programmable and even had digital phone sets. When I left in 2006, it had been upgraded to an Option 81C and we were upgrading to VoIP. I ended up teaching VoIP at the local community college for 12 years.

  • @TheWangbolizhong
    @TheWangbolizhong 6 місяців тому +4

    It's really cool to hear your Blackberry story.👍

  • @ckm-mkc
    @ckm-mkc 6 місяців тому +39

    I worked as a C-level strategy advisor at both Palm & Motorola just before the iPhone launched. Palm was actually way ahead of everyone but IP issues massively delayed the release and killed them. Gotta remember at the time that Apple was going nowhere before the iPhone - the iPod had been successful but it was just keeping the company relevant and there was no app store or ecosystem to speak of - that came, much much later, but Palm had all of the above, plus successful devices in the market. Motorola was doomed all around, they were not interested in innovating or new tech, just replicating the StarTac success... Interesting stuff.

    • @scottpageusmc
      @scottpageusmc 6 місяців тому +3

      I remember the PalmPilots. I worked at EggHead Software in '97 for a few months between network and PC tech jobs. Sold a few of them and even got one for myself.
      Another coincidence. Just after that job, I was a network engineer and computer system tech for Legacy Communications in Colorado, a Motorola repair company with serval depots throughout the State.
      Later, I became a calibration tech in the Marines and for Lockheed. Repaired serval Motorola two-way radios and also calibrated the instruments for their engineers as one of our customers.
      Small world!

    • @chaos.corner
      @chaos.corner 6 місяців тому +2

      As I recall, Palm started chasing other things instead of evolving their core success. Wasn't WebOS theirs? Then there was the folio debacle.

    • @Laundry_Hamper
      @Laundry_Hamper 6 місяців тому +2

      WebOS arrived at the current solution to multitasking before anyone else properly attempted any solution. But now it exists to shit up my TV experience

    • @MatthewMakesAU
      @MatthewMakesAU 6 місяців тому +1

      I loved my Tungsten T2

    • @HandlebarWorkshops
      @HandlebarWorkshops 6 місяців тому +2

      I worked for Motorola as a software engineer on the network side in the early 2000's. I know that they had plans for touchscreens, but they were insistent that they would absolutely NOT license Qualcomm tech. They were Motorola, after all. They were the innovators of cellphone tech. They'd figure it out themselves. Well...

  • @mailleweaver
    @mailleweaver 6 місяців тому +12

    I had Blackberry phones at work for several years. When the higher ups switched us to Samsung phones, the thing I missed the most was the physical keyboard. I could type so fast on those things. I still miss them to this day and never have been able to even approach my old typing speed. Touch screen keyboards are far inferior. I think the only reason they've stuck is the fact that they allow for larger screens that can be used for other things.

    • @locke3141
      @locke3141 6 місяців тому

      That’s the truth. At the time, I didn’t ever really do browsing on my phone; just text and email. So the physical keyboard for me provided the physical feedback that I liked. I really missed it for a long time having the touch keyboard over physical. Still kinda miss it.

    • @KnowledgePerformance7
      @KnowledgePerformance7 6 місяців тому +1

      Still waiting for a smartphone with a usable blackberry style keyboard

    • @user2C47
      @user2C47 6 місяців тому

      ​@@KnowledgePerformance7There were a few Android devices with hardware keyboards in the early 2010s, but today the only options are external Bluetooth or USB devices.

  • @ahbushnell1
    @ahbushnell1 6 місяців тому +172

    They failed because you left. :)

    • @Dlutheran
      @Dlutheran 6 місяців тому +3

      😂

    • @LTVoyager
      @LTVoyager 6 місяців тому

      😂 Um, no.

    • @NickSayers
      @NickSayers 6 місяців тому +6

      A wooden slinky conveyor belt is the kinda innovation that woulda saved the company.

    • @mikeguitar9769
      @mikeguitar9769 5 місяців тому +1

      Matthias had a RIM job?

    • @Dlutheran
      @Dlutheran 5 місяців тому +1

      @@mikeguitar9769 yeppers 👍

  • @MrFatalZero
    @MrFatalZero 6 місяців тому

    Great insights! Thank you Matthias! I started working in telecom part time besides uni in 2008. Sold heaps of blackberry, Nokia 9300/9500 communicator and later on the early smartphones like XDA with Windows Mobile.
    As a techie and working in the industry at that time, I really enjoyed this. Thank you!

  • @TopCat2021
    @TopCat2021 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing, I really enjoyed your insider history lesson of RIM and the Blackberry phone. I enjoy your videos and ingenuity this was different but equally enjoyable.

  • @strobie42
    @strobie42 6 місяців тому +3

    I was at Symbian, which failed around the same time, but for different reasons. Like you, I sometimes think about what could have been done differently, but even with hindsight I think it was inevitable. Once a small organisation grows with a success, it's always going to seem foolhardy to divert significant attention and resources away from that, and it's probably the correct business decision not to; you can't know that your research project will succeed, it's a massive gamble. If you're the size of Apple, Google, Microsoft or Samsung you can afford to either acquire a promising company that's already done some/most of the research, or to fund multiple new research projects so that one of them has a chance of success (but see the counterexample of Windows Mobile!)

  • @markelder1345
    @markelder1345 6 місяців тому

    Greatly appreciate your candor on this

  • @matt7403
    @matt7403 6 місяців тому

    Very interesting history. Knowing what happened only from a consumer perspective, the insight into how and why it happened is fascinating. Thank you Matthias

  • @HomicidalApe
    @HomicidalApe 6 місяців тому

    Excellent video! What phone do you use today?

  • @jameshill4900
    @jameshill4900 6 місяців тому +2

    Awesome insight! Thanks for sharing. RIM sorta reminds me of Kodak who I worked with some of their people after their hayday. Their stories echo of how quickly things can change. As a Canadian I find RIMs downfall unfortunate.

  • @brody2642
    @brody2642 6 місяців тому

    Love these videos. Thank you Matthias

  • @richardhsu
    @richardhsu 6 місяців тому

    I got my first Blackberry from my work in 2006 and that was my only phone device till 2016 when my work ended it and asked us to switch to bring-your-own-device. Thats when I switched to an iPhone. I think WhatsApp was the only thing I missed when I had the Blackberry. I don't remember if I did a lot of typing on the Blackberry but definitely didn't enjoy the touch keyboard on the iPhone. When 3rd party swipe keyboard came out, that is when I started typing more, and of course, now swipe is built-in and much better. I still have a hard time typing on the iPhone without swipe all these years later.
    Thank you for this. I bought the Losing the Signal book from your recommendation have been enjoying reading it. The part that stuck out was a) Mike wasn't a software person so that limited his ability to contribute with the OS, apps and also perhaps he gave his less focus; and b) Mike seemed to be very conscious of his personal brand and I was surprised he ran the ads and marketing!

  • @onlyeyeno
    @onlyeyeno 6 місяців тому +1

    I really enjoyed these "insights from the inside" , thanks for sharing :)
    Best regards.

  • @ZenWithKen
    @ZenWithKen 2 місяці тому

    There are few technologies I remember in my IT carrier that were as influential as Blackberry. Having portable email was a game changer. I still remember my first full screen Z20 Blackberry. It had features that Apple and Google never had. The work and personal profiles is still missed. Thanks for sharing!

  • @Jays_World
    @Jays_World 5 місяців тому

    Good analysis, as always Matthias! 🙂

  • @Dickremoulade
    @Dickremoulade 5 місяців тому

    Perfect breakdown. Sometimes there's a very definite lifespan of such explosive corporate success because of the demands that naturally come with along with it... particularly when founded on technological innovation (and all the additional demands *that* brings... quite different from growth based on design aesthetics or innovative marketing!). Thank you for the video!

  • @washoecreative595
    @washoecreative595 6 місяців тому +3

    I started in tech marketing X.25 hardware in 1985. Man, those were the days.

  • @Don.Challenger
    @Don.Challenger 6 місяців тому +2

    Very good exposition, Matthias, quite clear and no doubt correct. Did you think your work colleagues had the same intuition at about the same time frame that you did?

  • @MrSparker95
    @MrSparker95 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for a great overview. It was very interesting to learn about design of those older devices.
    I'm still using my Blackberry KeyOne, it's a nice modern device. But it's sad there is no replacement for it any more. I feel like they almost got it right in the end with KeyTwo LE model, which was a cheaper version.

  • @fredparsons5134
    @fredparsons5134 6 місяців тому

    Very interesting Matthias! I want to watch the Blackberry movie sometime.

  • @johannes_franciscus_kok
    @johannes_franciscus_kok 6 місяців тому

    Now that was a nice piece of history I did not know about, thanks for sharing this Matthias extremely off-topic for your channel 😇

  • @xnademolicious
    @xnademolicious 6 місяців тому +2

    I joined the OS team at RIM in 2006 through an acquisition. Nessus was a great OS and bugdisp worked extremely well (cheers Victor!), but it needed user mode threads (and a dynamic memory allocator!), and source level debugging. I built a proof of concept for both but it never gained any traction - RIM was just too successful, having vanquished Palm, Microsoft, Motorola, Noikia .. management felt we were unstoppable. I really do believe there was a path forward for Nessus to evolve to native mode applications, but the breakneck speed that RIM was growing at just blinded people to the upcoming threats. I don't really blame them either - Barack Obama refused to give up his Blackberry, the Queen of England was touring our factories. We were on top of the world, but it wouldn't last.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +2

      The low level OS was not in bad shape, but ultimately that didn't matter to app developers and third party developers, because there were layers and layers on top of that. Having come up with the bugdisp concept was something I was particularly proud of, and Victor was a great old school guy to take it over. There was a kafuffle over bugdisp ownership at some point, but that might have been just before your time.

    • @xnademolicious
      @xnademolicious 6 місяців тому +2

      Oh so you designed it? I really liked it - very elegant and efficient design. It stayed essentially the same until I left around 2010.

  • @rollo0470
    @rollo0470 5 місяців тому

    Great video, brings back a lot of memories. Also might be worth adding the app-based BlackBerry competitor "Good for Enterprise", later "Good Dynamics" which of course BlackBerry ended up acquiring. I still feel there's a niche for a locked-down limited-functionality mobile device for highly-regulated industries. We were never able to completely replicate the corporate BlackBerry device experience with it's seamless built-in VPN access to on-premise web servers. Even today, the MDM device enrolment and management experience with iOS/Android isn't as good as BlackBerry used to be.

  • @TradieTrev
    @TradieTrev 6 місяців тому

    What a mad dog! Love your work!
    I miss my physical qwerty keyboard on a phone so much.

  • @rpm773
    @rpm773 6 місяців тому

    Fascinating stuff, particularly starting at 18:15

  • @geoffbarton5917
    @geoffbarton5917 4 місяці тому

    Thank you for this, Mathias. I watched Blackberry from afar and was concerned it wasn't keeping up. I've seen it happen before in other tech industries and have seen it since. It's frustrating to work for a company that fails to innovate because they currently have a winning product. Then watch it slowly fall behind and dwindle away.

  • @jyoung9181
    @jyoung9181 6 місяців тому

    So very interesting. Great explanation.

  • @Quitenice
    @Quitenice 6 місяців тому

    Loved using my Bold for the short time I used it ❤️😊

  • @databang
    @databang 6 місяців тому +7

    Aww man, it almost sounded like your visit to your Google interview was almost Job’s 1979 Xerox PARC moment for RIM, or even Microsoft’s campus visit to develop on the McIntosh in 1984. You had visionary keys for a moment long enough to see the writing on the wall and spared yourself from spinning your wheels for dying company. Not sure if you had an NDA knowing about Google development of a mobile device, but it seems like it didn’t matter much and fell on deaf ears on a peak sales year. Good story!

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +9

      I'm not sure, its quite possible that Mike Lazaridis already knew about Android through different sources. But he wasn't overly concerned about it atany rate

    • @Don.Challenger
      @Don.Challenger 6 місяців тому +2

      @@matthiasrandomstuff2221, probably Mike Lazaridis was already more interested in contemplating the perimeter of the universe at that point and had resolved to think of RIM as a cash cow for other glittery projects and others - good people still, however - could manage and ably maintain the shop.

  • @rickpalechuk4411
    @rickpalechuk4411 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the insight
    I came late with OS10 but really enjoyed it at the time.
    Cheers,

  • @MatchaBarnes
    @MatchaBarnes 6 місяців тому

    Very interested video thanks for posting!

  • @Pracedru
    @Pracedru 6 місяців тому +1

    Great reflections on this subject. Not sure if i need to see the movie now :)

  • @jacobhaley5387
    @jacobhaley5387 5 місяців тому

    I worked for IBM/TSS back in the late 90's and we got Rims for communication and they were great. Nice to hear some of the back story of those devices.

  • @romanwowk4269
    @romanwowk4269 5 місяців тому +1

    Super interesting. I believe this same story is playing out with legacy auto companies struggling to develop new compelling vehicles and hesitancy to let the old technology die. It's always a new player that comes in and stirs things up.

  • @fabiosemino2214
    @fabiosemino2214 6 місяців тому

    Loved my 7290, I was given one with the BIS service to help manage an IT helpdesk, I even used many times the browser consulting the newly built mobile browser of Trenitalia that could give you the status of a train almost in real time so I could switch stations in case of troubles, also the wheel interface was very good

  • @rayroulstone3565
    @rayroulstone3565 6 місяців тому

    Great video. My whole family were avid blackberry users and I even ran a home lab with exchange and Blackberry Enterprise Server.

  • @50shadesofbeige88
    @50shadesofbeige88 5 місяців тому

    That trackball though... the combination of haptics and ease of use was really a wrork of art.

  • @jram4271
    @jram4271 6 місяців тому +2

    That is quite an interesting story. You make UA-cam a better form of entertainment.

  • @Z06Fred
    @Z06Fred 6 місяців тому

    Great video Matthias.

  • @mahmoudomara5421
    @mahmoudomara5421 6 місяців тому

    Thanks for the video. Very informative

  • @whitewolf8758
    @whitewolf8758 6 місяців тому +1

    I really liked the blackberry when they were available. We even invested into their stocks and did extremely well. Sold out right before the fall.

  • @TonyAiuto
    @TonyAiuto 4 місяці тому

    That was an awesome history lesson. I can only imagine the "oh shit" moment at the Google interview when you realized RIM was years behind.

  • @Shadsix
    @Shadsix 6 місяців тому

    Annnnd subscribed..
    I still need to buy your build guides at some point

  • @bradhafichuk
    @bradhafichuk 6 місяців тому

    ...and removable batteries! Thanks for such a nice blast from the past.

  • @FilamentFriday
    @FilamentFriday 4 місяці тому

    Did you sell your shares like Mike Lazaridis before it crashed?

  • @simonschoar7448
    @simonschoar7448 4 місяці тому +1

    Hello from the Munich team porting BBM to iOS and android :)

  • @Nathanm7977
    @Nathanm7977 5 місяців тому

    I loved my blackberry. hearing your information about the history and enter working is mind blowing.

  • @manyirons
    @manyirons 6 місяців тому

    My plan was to skip through this long-ish video, picking out the points I was interested in, but it held my interest from end to end. Well done! I think I can skip the movie instead.

  • @tommysedin
    @tommysedin 6 місяців тому +1

    Agreed, "No social media" is the best feature!

  • @TimSavage-drummer
    @TimSavage-drummer 6 місяців тому +2

    My first real software job was writing software for PalmOS (later Pocket PC) and using various mobile data services most of which died out in favor of GPRS. Most of the software was for couriers, security guards for scanning barcodes or receiving jobs.
    Similar to what you describe we had to be very miserly with data, mobile data was insanely expensive with many of our customers paying around $100/MB. TCP wasn't an option as any packet loss would very quickly rack up data use via retries and we did everything over UDP and squeezing as much as we could into each UDP packet.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +3

      those were the good old days, no sending XML back and forth and all that crap, just optimized and packed binary C data structures!

    • @TimSavage-drummer
      @TimSavage-drummer 6 місяців тому

      @@matthiasrandomstuff2221 Many years later I built a native application for latest Blackberry OS (the QNX one) as part of their launch push to get applications into their ecosystem. The OS wasn't bad and the development experience was really good, but was lagging behind Android in features. I wonder if there was a license to Nokia as it was all QT based.
      Blackberry gave me a device at the time and I used it for several years, have yet to have another phone with the same level of voice quality.

  • @tapperdb
    @tapperdb 6 місяців тому

    Thank you for sharing an important part of history

  • @IslandHermit
    @IslandHermit 6 місяців тому +2

    Way back when I briefly worked on a project to convert Toronto's stoplights from electromechanical controllers to electronic control over a network, so that the city could adjust timing dynamically to account for traffic flow. The local microcomputers in that network used QNX and I found it to be a really nice, reliable, lightweight Unix for the time. So a good choice on RIM's part, IMO, even if it didn't work out in the end.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +4

      one thing that bugged me about QNX is how they kept harping on about microkernels. But other than that, I agree with you

  • @miahsbrokengarage
    @miahsbrokengarage 6 місяців тому +5

    My favorite Blackberry feature is how it disabled the wireless modem when the battery got low. If you then charged the phone, the wireless modem would stay disabled until you _manually_ enabled it again. The number of times I missed notifications because the system wouldn't automatically re-enable the wireless modem after being charged was... too many.

  • @JeffYantha
    @JeffYantha 6 місяців тому

    I remember using QNX at Algonquin as part of our real time OS class, such a blast from the past! It's very interesting hearing an insider's view of what has happening.

  • @mxadema
    @mxadema 6 місяців тому +2

    I think rim was one of those companies that existed to move the market foward, but like you said was limited form the start.

  • @GWAIHIRKV
    @GWAIHIRKV 6 місяців тому +1

    Really interesting. And we are seeing a similar outlook for Ford, GM etc with Tesla doing the Apple/Google bit. . .
    I was also in electronics, but from the 80’s. Worked on one of the first ABS systems for cars.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +4

      Except Apple and Google were bigger than RIM to begin with

    • @SquintyGears
      @SquintyGears 6 місяців тому +1

      Not really, cars are much more a construction infrastructure problem than a product design thing. Tesla got an apple like image but the problems they have from construction are painfully obvious. And the big names are just going to buys apple/google software anyways which users have been saying they prefer.
      And also very importantly, they get bailed out by the government every time they make poor decisions that would normally cause them to close...

    • @GWAIHIRKV
      @GWAIHIRKV 6 місяців тому

      @@matthiasrandomstuff2221 Technology wins over corporate speak🙂

  • @jgwd25
    @jgwd25 6 місяців тому +1

    Still have my Z30. I loved the BB virtual keyboard and BB10 os. Now its my alarm clock. Cant let go even though its so out of date

  • @zsigmondkara
    @zsigmondkara 2 місяці тому

    The Blackberry PRIV (the Passport a close second) was still my favourite phone I ever had.

  • @emm_arr
    @emm_arr 6 місяців тому +1

    Interesting. Thanks for this.
    23:02 "today's ginatic phones" So true. I think the phone I enjoyed using the most - based on size - was the Galaxy S4 Mini - 124.6 mm (4.91 in) H X 61.3 mm (2.41 in) W X 8.9 mm (0.35 in) D. A phone that could sit in a pocket and not stick out of the top.

  • @jimmylovesbikes
    @jimmylovesbikes 6 місяців тому

    That was just so interesting!!! Where did you go after Blackberry?

  • @chongli297
    @chongli297 6 місяців тому +4

    Great story Matthias! What do you think about this idea for saving RIM back in 2003: a full-on partnership with Microsoft. Develop the new hardware at RIM and have Microsoft develop the advanced operating system, based on Windows NT. Microsoft tried numerous times to get into the phone business but they were always too late. They may have been very interested in partnering with RIM at the time when Blackberry was the king of the corporate and government world.

  • @micah_lee
    @micah_lee 6 місяців тому

    I watched the movie a few weeks ago. It is interesting how it was in that vs how you described it. It is the same exact storyline, thankfully. I wonder which character was supposed to be you, Lol.
    Great video and legendary story

  • @50shadesofbeige88
    @50shadesofbeige88 5 місяців тому

    I had BBES as part of my environment until 2013. BBES hung on for a looong time. In fact, if I'm not mistaken the last of the QNX software is EOL this month.

  • @michaelprasuhn6590
    @michaelprasuhn6590 6 місяців тому

    Wonderful video!
    I had an 8800 with the trackball on it. Wanted to like it, but it was 2008 and all the cool folks had iPhones with Twitter, and all I had was a trackball full of pocket lint :(
    I was always torn on the Palm stuff, I had a Kyocera 7135 which was the Palm flip phone with color screen. I really liked it overall cause it was just a large flip phone most of the time and the screen was a touch (only for the stylus) screen as well.

    • @williamreinhard
      @williamreinhard 6 місяців тому

      Oh man, I forgot about cleaning the lint out of the little track ball. I had one like Matthias showed in the video, and the model that came after that. Loved those phones, and held out for longer than most before moving to an Android phone.

  • @oliver9089
    @oliver9089 Місяць тому

    No social media is definitely a feature. I miss blackberry

  • @JeremyGruen
    @JeremyGruen 6 місяців тому

    I used BlackBerry's for many years and even today I still use many BlackBerry Apps on my Android. The Hub introduced with the QNX based OS10, is still the best communications interface I have ever used and I still use it. I still use BBM as well. I still think mid-era BlackBerry devices were better for communication than modern mobile devices, but nobody cares so much. Better does not always mean more liked. Just how it goes and when those Apps go away, I will adapt to something new.

  • @bobthemagicmoose
    @bobthemagicmoose 6 місяців тому +1

    Random tidbit: In the NTP v RIM patent suit, RIM was able to use post-grant proceedings to essentially ask the USPTO to reconsider the patents. I believe they were successful and that was the springboard of the Novak Druce patent firm (it has changed around a bit, but it's back to Novak Druce). It also kickstarted a boom of reexamination proceedings at the USPTO.

  • @brody2642
    @brody2642 5 місяців тому

    I’d love more blackberry videos!

  • @HardyP2006
    @HardyP2006 6 місяців тому

    regarding the hiring solution around Waterloo:
    We had bought a small company over there, adding some very specific technical knowledge to our portfolio, merged it with a small startup from California. But one of the reasons we gave up (I think in 2009...?) was the nearly impossible task to get good engineers in or to that area... RIM got everything, the rest was... well, there, bcs even RIM had no need for them...

  • @theRealRindberg
    @theRealRindberg 6 місяців тому

    QNX :) I remember trying it on my PC once. It fit on a 3.5" floppy disk! The whole OS!

  • @AlexanderLapajne
    @AlexanderLapajne 6 місяців тому

    Really good video and explanation of how RIM probably couldn't have done things any differently. I worked at Ericsson from 1999 and up until 2008 and so I saw the effect of the iPhone and Android on our own dumb phones from a different perspective.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +2

      I had an erisson 788 for a whilie, cute simple little phone phone. Was given to me by Mike Lazaridis, he got it as a freebie. I figured I should play around with a GSM phone a bit as we were starting development on that front.

  • @Gabriel-kz8ns
    @Gabriel-kz8ns 6 місяців тому

    At the time right before the z10 was out, I was providing IT services for a couple of big companies, and went to an 'implementing blackberry enterprise infrastructure' seminar, few days, all cool and that, and still remember, they (rim) were fixated that higher end phones were only for managers, ceos, and so, the exact opposite of what people in the time was doing, what led to the mobile phone being a fashion item. I've just implemented one bb enterprise to try it out and didnt bother selling even one of those, everyone back then had a bb, and a couple of years later it was dead... It was so funny to me how they can be so wrong! Cheers!

  • @edconcilio1628
    @edconcilio1628 6 місяців тому

    I still use my BlackBerry KeyOne. Love the keyboard.

  • @xjustinjx
    @xjustinjx 6 місяців тому

    sidekick II and G1 are the best phones i've ever touched, and i've touched 100s from 2000 till now. just from being fascinated with phones and in friend groups who were also (and a friends dad worked in a cell store in the 90s/200s)

  • @TheJ0j00
    @TheJ0j00 6 місяців тому

    great history.
    one thing leaves a bitter taste in my mouth:
    when your analysis is true and rim couldn't be saved (and i think you're right), it just means that its impossible to compete against the monopolies. That's a harsh reality. I hope they get broken up.
    I actually used an palm pre which went the "start with linux and put a nice UI on top" route and your analysis is absolutely spot on for this as well: while the UI was great, the battery life was really poor.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому

      The only think that can kill those big companies is the big companies themselves. And they do, it just takes time. Just look at the giants from the 80's, where are they now?

  • @chm985
    @chm985 3 місяці тому

    I absolutely loved the qnx blackberry, they were faster then android & iPhone, gestures like we have now, but the apps just never came.

  • @jjdawg9918
    @jjdawg9918 6 місяців тому

    Good Times. I was an engineer working on the packet data network part of Motorola's iDEN about the same time blackberry was in its heyday(although it served a different market i.e fleets needing push-to-talk/walki-talki features). Eventually cell phones got cheap and fast enough that it went the same way as Blackberry although it still exists in several Latin American countries.

    • @matthiasrandomstuff2221
      @matthiasrandomstuff2221  6 місяців тому +2

      RIM did an iDen product. I think bribed to do so by Motorola. iDen was weird, but the push to talk feature was useful for its niche. The GSM folks even added a push to talk feature to the spec in response, but I don't think anybody ever implemented it. I imagine now it could be just done over data.

  • @HRHooChicken
    @HRHooChicken 16 днів тому

    It's amazing how sudden Blackberry died. I remember in school in 2010, loads of people still had the BB Curve including myself. Then BBs just died off and they were quite rare after 2012. I stayed loyal until about 2018 and by that point the flaws pissed me off too much. They just never worked perfectly. My PRIV's camera took like 1-2 seconds to take a picture so forget photographing anything that moves. Physical keyboards are far superior though even today.

  • @KG4JYS
    @KG4JYS 6 місяців тому +1

    I can't tell you how much I miss the keyboard on my blackberry. I still have a few blackberries, but no service is attached. I would happily move back to it if the thing had a modern radio capable of connecting to the network. With the Blackberry, I could easily text one-handed without looking at the phone. It's not doable with a touch screen where it's just a single flat surface.

  • @BootSequence
    @BootSequence 6 місяців тому

    Hey matthias, ive been a subscriber for a long time, Im right now scrolling back on your videos tab to see which videos I've seen first, but anyways. Would you let me interview you about your journey from the insanity at blackberry to your youtube journey ? I literally cant remember the oldest video I saw from you. From my backgrounds rememberance, didn't you make your own power supply ? Anyways. Avid watcher, big tech enjoyer. I want to do bigger things on youtube. would love to interview someone I've watched for so many years.

  • @adfaklsdjf
    @adfaklsdjf 6 місяців тому

    No social media is definitely a feature I set up on all my phones. Highly recommended 👍 (typed on a PC)

  • @stellamcwick8455
    @stellamcwick8455 6 місяців тому +1

    I see the potential for a collaboration between Mathias and @BobbyBroccoli that covers this saga in greater detail.