Ordinariate Solemn Mass and Solemn Traditional Latin Mass | Side by Side
Вставка
- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Both beautiful liturgies! Find a Mass
ordinariate.ne...
www.latinmass....
/ discord
To be clear we also take paleoconservatives, post liberal conservatives, high torys, high church Anglicans and Orthodox Christians. Even though it is a Tradcath Monarchist server.
If you want to support me: www.buymeacoff...
this is how the novus ordo should have been
and this is how it will be in the future once the current crisis is solved
Amen!!!!
We hope and pray. But the sacredness of the NO is controlled by the Bishop or Cardinal. Sadly in some places, the future looks bleak for years to come.
@@SoCalCath
the spring time that Vatican II promised is coming
seminaries now are mostly filled with Orthodox faithful priests
the modernist project is failing
Do you think the NO mass will survive at all in some shape or fashion? Genuine question. I am unsure.
@@mousakandah5188another thing that has happened (yes I know a lot of V2 has been negative), is that the faith in a loving God has been restored. An unfortunate problem with mid century catholicism was that God was seen only as judging, not as loving
The Ordinariate must have been what the Fathers of the Second Vatican Council have in mind... NOT the current Bugnini crafted Mass. The altar of the Ordinariate is always up against a wall and the communion rails are intact. No altar girls nor communion in the hand.
When you read the actual documents approved in the Second Vatican Council, you cannot help but but come to any other conclusion. A gently reformed missal along the lines of the Ordinariate mass is very likely what a majority of the council fathers envisioned. If you go find an online copy of the 1965 missal it is very clear from the early revisions that a very conservative reform was the true intention. Not the radical hijacking that was later engineered by Bugnini.
@@randyjones3050 The 1965 Missal was the hijacking of the 1962 Missal.
@@johnpolitis7929The Ordinariate Mass retained many of the traditional practices that the 1962 took out
@@handel1111 It still has Novus Ordo elements in it like a 3 Year Lectionary and the Novus Ordo Calendar of Saints.
I personally love all three: Novus Ordo, Latin Tridentine and Ordinariate.
Ordinariate is the proper name of the Novus Ordo. Novus Ordo is not a proper name for any mass of the Church. It was coined by enemies of The Church to associate us and Vatican II with the New World Order conspiracy by misuse of a phrase.
Ordinariate gang represent!
I think the Ordinariate rites are a great way for the church to welcome our Anglican brothers and sisters into the true religion, but it should not replace the new Pauline Rite.
Of course it should not! The Ordinariate Use is very Anglo-centric, there are more countries in the world than the USA/UK/Australia/NZ/Canada, why should I as an Hispanic for instance with no connection whatsoever to Anglo-Saxon culture and even less to Anglicanism worship according to the Ordinariate Use?
@@alisa4124 Because the Church has a culture all it's own, and the mass, to be a unifying force, should be the same wherever you go. I loved most about the mass in Portugal, in Germany, and the US, that it was always the same language: Latin.
@@RealAugustusAutumn Yes that's why we should promote the Traditional Latin Mass! I have no intention whatsoever of worshiping in English as a Spanish speaker, I can see the beauty of the Ordinariate Use, but it's a “niche liturgy" I have seen some Americans who want to impose it on the Church to replace the N.O but I don't think it's appropriate
What is the difference 😅 genuine question. This is the first time I'm hearing about ordinariate rite.
@@racheldsouza8895 "Reverent" Novus Ordo
I've been to an FSSP Low Mass and I went to an Ordinariate Sung Mass this past Sunday. Both were radically different from the NO mass that I'm used to, even the Maronite mass I attended a month ago was more similar.
My experience with the Maronite liturgy (I’ve attended for almost a year) is that it does take cues from the NO like being versus populum but deviates in a couple ways. A Maronite mass with an Anaphora of St Peter is very similar to an NO mass with extra aramaic, but at least in my experience, various other anaphoras are cycled around.
Both Masses are great! The Ordinariate Use also has high and low Mass. It is the 1965 Mass with the Last Gospel (a.k.a what V2 was shooting for)
Not exactly; it has the Psalm 42, and in some aspects it is more traditional than the 1962 Mass, let alone the 1965 (e.g. Palm blessing takes the traditional form of preface, black chasuble used for Good Friday, Good Friday prophecy oration said at the altar instead of sedilia, blessing of the font preceded by Sicut Cervus, restored Pentecost Vigil...) On the other hand, it also contains some Cranmerian practices, such as an alternative Confiteor without invocation of Saints, Summary of the Law, Comfortable Words and Prayer of Humble Access.
While craving for more dignified and aesthetically pleasing liturgies, we ought to be cautious from automatically associating more pleasant celebrations with "what Vatican II intended" or "What the reform was meant to be". It certainly contained some Benedictine RotR elements, as described by Cdl. Sarah, but it's ultimately not the same thing with the same principles of 1965.
I love the Ordinariate , im also very happy to hear that young NO priests in regular NO Masses are reatoring the reverence !
: )
@b-a-boonThe youth are the ones who are active in restoring traditional rubrics in churches
@b-a-boon You know the pope says mass in Latin right? And the pope has encouraged the use of Gregorian chants. Might as well be the opinion of a baboon
Hey, that Ordinariate celebrant is my priest.
Lucky!
You should make more side by side comparisons
The Ordinariate mass seems better to me personally. I just love hearing the Cannon Sung. A silent cannon was a development away from the universal tradition of a sung Cannon. Sadly almost no one uses it
You should do a side by side of novus ordo vespers and traditional vespers
Yes!!! The solemn ordinariate mass can be done in Latin. No, you don't HAVE to have a Tridentine Mass to be solemn. Difference is, in the Gregorian Mass you are not just a spectator but part of the liturgy. Great work!
Amen, replace the Novus Ordo with the Ordinariate
Their Mass is like an English version of the TLM. Actually quite revenant as well - like the TLM
Both of them are so beautiful
So the mass should be ugly?
@b-a-boon Well beauty is a transcendental, we are all attracted to it and it is an attribute of God. What is beautiful is also true and good. You are trying to separate the three.
@b-a-boon A woman is fully beautiful when she is also good.
@b-a-boonLex orandi, lex credendi. The Mass should be beautiful. Doing so shows reverence for the holy things of the Lord.
Better than the NO but we need to restore the pre 55 Liturgy.
I believe all hands on deck when the real reform takes place and only for the full restoration of the beauty of the Traditional Mass.
the ordinariate mass takes from the use of sarum which is literally from the 11th century
Agreed
@@stanyard...and the roman liturgy is older than the sarum rite ;)
@@raptus. the liturgy of St. John Chrysostom is also older, from the 5th century, still used by the Orthodox today
How can I find one In my area ? I live in New York
the Anglo-Catholic Rite has the same content as the Tridentine Rite and the only difference is the language???
And some of the externals as well, if the NO looked like the Ordinariate I don't think trads would have a problem with it.
@@CatholicNicklas The ordinariate rite also draws upon the prayers of Thomas Cranmer first Protestant Archbishop of Canterbury
@@francisobi6851Some of those prayers are really pre-Reformation Catholic prayers "re used" by Cranmer, like the Collect for Purity, which is found in the Sarum Use that was so common in pre-Protestant England
@@francisobi6851Most of those prayers were translated by Cranmer, not written by him.
Cranmer translated those prayers of the priests and servers from the Sarum Rite and added in his own edits, which were removed when they were brought back into Catholicism by the Ordinariate. We kept the practice of them being prayed by the entire congregation rather than just by the priests and servers.
They are both very beautiful and should be cherished.
This is a great!!! Thank you for making this.
This is awesome... basically only difference is the language. Does anyone know what amount of Latin is allowed in the ordinariate liturgy?
There are a few differences and options. This Ordinariate Mass used the option to proclaim the Gospel facing North, like the TLM, but there’s a relatively recent Anglican tradition to proclaim it in the nave, symbolising bringing the Gospel to the people, which is an option in the Ordinariate missal.
@@1976Boats anyother differences? What does an ordinariate Lowmass look like?
Yes, Latin is absolutely allowed in the Ordinariate liturgies, we often use the old settings of Missa Cantatas.
Our Ordinariate Mass often uses Latin settings in Gregorian Chant for the Sanctus and Agnus Dei. The Introit for solemn Masses is always Latin, also mostly the Offertory, though the other minor propers are traditional Anglican. We sing the Gloria and the Credo in Latin during the Christmas and Easter octaves.
The Mass itself is always in Elizabethan English.
@@gion3250The Ordinariate Low Mass looks even more like a Latin Low Mass: Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, Last Gospel, and the Leonine Prayers, except they're in BCP English spoken out loud, and the congregation makes the responses: "O put thy trust in God, for I will yet give him thanks, which is the help of my countenance, and my God", etc.
Before I joined the Ordinariate, the only Latin Masses I had attended were solemn Masses. When I finally attended a Latin Low Mass, it was instantly familiar from my Ordinariate experience.
TLMs celebrated in roman basilicas were ad orientem and versus populum due to the churches facing west.
No not really.
The Ordinariate Divine Worship can be done ad populum. Most don't know this.
So can the TLM, but like the TLM, it is never done that way.
On certain conditions like when the altar is situated at the west
The ordinariate liturgy is still the NO, but modified to look and sound more Anglican l.