Adeptus Mechanicus are Looking SCARY Again?
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Let's talk about the big Admech changes in the Balance Dataslate, and the big damage that the omnissiah's servants can unleash...
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0:00 Intro
2:12 Core Rules Changes
3:53 Doctrina Imperative
8:20 Skitarii + Kataphrons
10:01 Ruststalkers
11:24 Other Squads
12:50 Improved Vehicle Datasheets
18:12 Belisarus Cawl
19:38 Other Vehicles + Characters
22:16 Closing Thoughts + Outro - Ігри
From the moment I understood the weakness of my codex, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of the Balance Dataslate.
I aspires to the purity of 3+.
I craved the strength and certainty of the +1 BS
Your kind cling to your Codex and Index, as though it will not decay and fail you...
@@The_Penguin_8964 But I am already safe, for the balance update is immortal.
@@Sir_Tomoyuki *Angry nerd scream with robotic background*
Let's take a moment of this Admech coverage to recognize Auspex as a blessed machine switched over to conqueror's imperative for this dataslate.
Ad Mech, gets good, wins 1 tournament, GW: NERF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Till then might as well enjoy it! 😅
Nerfing without balance dataslate means points increase
Which is an absolute win with the rules change we got now
How it feels to be a grey knights player rn lol
And Necrons got off with a slap on the wrist
It's better for the faction now because they were playing like knockoff guard and admech were rediculously expensive to collect to the point getting a warhound titan was cheaper than to fill out 1000pts. And all of their rules and weapons got buffs so its more of a rework than a nerf
I swear, every other sentence of this video had me doing a miniature evil laugh.
I am so psyched to have some games with my AdMech now.
Finally brother
I’ve been so invested in my Tyranids this edition, I have let my Ad Mech fall to the wayside. Now, both of my factions, chitin and machine, have risen mightily. Time for battle!
Meanwhile the Guard twiddling their thumbs waiting to not just be "Dorn spam"
Most things went up slightly but i am fine with that because ADMECH IS NOT A HORDE ARMY DAMN IT!
THey got a lot of buffs. New doctrines are just rude, striders double the shots and sustained1, crawler guns better, etc etc.
I need to actually crack open that box holding my admech that have been sitting there for well over 2 years.
Changes are a good start, but they are still a hoard and the most expensive army by far. Combat patrol is also still under 300points
@@0XFallen Oh for sure this isnt enough to completely fix them.
I agree theyre still too hordy. Some units still got nothing and thus are still in a weird spot, their detachments are largely meh, and the two doctinas are so different it might be hard to include certain units at the same time.
Im not competitive though so i dont care if theyre amazing i just want them to be fun and not auto-lose bad.
@@vineheart01
According to nowaday's points, I'll say that that hordest detachment is still (unsurprisingly) Hunter Cohort, but in a MUCH different way🤔
But let's say that you just want something looks cool and actually do damages, almost all detechments can do this right now (except Rad-Zone Corp, no one loves it btw🙄) 👍🏻so yeah, feel free to try more possibly on your flavour, as things start gets better now😆
@@The_Penguin_8964 Rad Zone Corps has/had a Playerbase. It's one of the better detachments if you play around its strength. But the change to double use Stratagems really limited some of its more fun combos.
BY THE OMNISSIAH WE’RE FUCKING BACK
Just from a fun perspective, Cawl being able to make himself a battleline unit and trigger other battleline adjacency effects feels so fluffy and is exactly the kind of army rule interaction I want from 40k’s design. I’m really happy to specifically see that effect.
Update: Admech no longer positively fuming.
Au contraire, they revved up their engines and positively started fuming joyous irradiated smoke.
Cawl getting an 8" move means that he can keep up with ruststalkers and use his cantile to get battleline to give them +2 to charge.
I'm not weeping. I'm looking to the sky scanning for the inevitable GW nerfhammer.
I got to play a game with the updated AdMech today, and we're looking good boys! Ballistarii be BLASTIN, ruststalkers be SLASHIN, infiltrators be BLOCKIN, and the new doctrines feel really good. Admittedly, I did only use conqueror, but that +1 AP is a game changer on so many profiles.
And that's why you don't buy the physical codex
That and so you don't end up having to shelve it a month later for a new edition
I started with 10th, got the Codex, Datacards, Dice etc.
Guess it is a collectable now?😅
Books becoming outdated so fast is what kept me out of the hobby for so long. A certain wiki that has all the rules and datasheets got me to hop in though.
@@Ruffy112 id say make notes and use page markers for updates you need to remember. I still prefer a physical copy as I have a hard time navigating some wikis and online pages. Ironic that I play admech… lol
BRO I HAD LITERALLY JUST BUILT 2,000 POINTS SOMEHOW AND NOW THEY GOT BUFFED AND I HAVE TO REMOVE UNITS
Oh my God, what an absolute Renaissance!! It is Ascension Day come at last! 🙏
Ave Deus Mechanics
Think its worth remembering 13:57 the eradication beamer has D3 sustained on top, so very swingy but maxes out at a crazy amount of hits
while true, that is more impactfull when you hit less acurate, in average , it got 1 extra shot with this data slate, not a great buff and +30 points on cost.
Or 2 shots if you are in +1 Bs
@vicio19995 wasn't it 1d3 shots before and now it's 2d3? That with the previous sustained is pretty big
@@CharlieALeigh it was 1D6, it got more consistent and higer floor.
1-6 shot bfore averagr 3.5 before
2-6 shots now average 4 now
@vicio19995 ah right, didn't notice that! Thanks
Anyone who complains about point increases for Adeptus Mechanicus should volunteer for servitorisation
Apparently one guy here deemed the increases "nasty" whilst admitting they were due to buffs... LOL
@@chrisg8321 Funnily enough, that guy's comment was right under this one on my end
Praise the omnisiah! Our targeting systems work again
WE ARE SO MECHANIBACK
I’m so proud of all you Admech players. Never stop fighting!
- an Imperial Fists player
The Enginseer also no longer gives a 4++ from his ability to the vehicles he repairs, instead giving a 5+ FNP, which makes those vehicles extra tanky. Running them with Onager Dunecrawlers looks genuinely scary (albeit about twice the price as it used to be XD)
That's an older change, that's not new
I'd argue that they were kind of needed with a block of Kastellans as the first one they attempt to hit would have a save profile of 2+/5++/5+++. Good luck cracking that anytime soon, that said a full skew list did get hit quite a bit if you don't run cawl to babysit the gun line.
The imperial guard regimental enginseer is the one that gives 4++
I wish robots got a little more outside of the detachment for them. since I own 12 of them.
They have to do something big to the detechment, and really need those 30k buddies come back🙈
A long way to go, I have to say🙈
I honestly think the Heresy robots will get data slates like the knights did. The reason they didn't for Marines is they already have enough!!
Phosphor blaster actually tripled its shots
twelve shots with ignore cover and twin-link is actually nasty
Whoever thought 130 points tank with 4 S6 -2 1 shot was ok was totally brain dead.
The machine is immortal
Nice to see some changes for Cawl, imo the coolest model GW has made.
Points increases are nasty (lost 175 points from my army) but those are some nice buffs to compensate. 😁
So its not nasty then....
They are when I have spent money and time making models for said army only to now find I can no longer fit them in the list.
But like I say, the buffs are good, so more than compensate for that negative.
@@petersutherland6181 I would think with these sort of changes, you would be considering redesigning your list anyways
The point of the point increases was so that along with rule changes and datasheet buffs you no longer had a horde army that was bad at being a horde army
Also now you can have some list variety with those extra units
lets go! The changes look good so far
For the first time ever 40k players are happy about a points increase. You can finally afford to play now
Happy admech sounds
Just want to point out Sicarian Infiltrators gained +1 attack
All the factions about to get massive lore are gonna be boosted in game
10th is the Tyranid focused edition, and this is the weakest they have ever been
Admech players weeping tears of joy at their army getting across the board points increases.
Vanguard riding in a dune rider just got a whole lot scarier for point storming and clearing, dune rider with 18 AP -1 shots plus a vanguard squad having 30 AP -1 shots having full reroll to hit from marshal and full reroll to hit from the dune rider ability is a TON of dice rolls
Praise the Omnissiah and pass the ammunition
My 2 Disintegrator/2 Onager list: "OUR CANNONS SHALL SING"
Brb, need to grab my toaster real quick
We were finally reached about our ad mechs extended warranty.
Praise be to the ommnisiah
my brothers in the Omnisiah, Rejoice! The Machine god has heard our prayers
If only the Space Marine Codex, with the same win rate as Admech before the buffs, had received this sort of attention. Instead it got nerfed...
No now Auspex, I'm still watching the hour long video you released earlier today!
Thanks for the video
we are so back
Admech VS World Eaters Yesterday, Score was 26 to 38 at the end of turn 2, I tabled World Eaters on Turn 3. My Neut laser + Erad. Beamer Dunecrawlers plus Laser-Ironstriders absolutely crushed my opponent 'Oops all eightbound!'-list. I deployed by feeding my Rusttalkers and Dragoons to the front line of my deployment zone, Angron wouldnt pop 2 Dragoons in one swing, my saves were hot!
Knowing that WE can turn-one-charge you is not all that scary with preparation, the large and tough dragoons will not only survive attach but also fallback and charge to allow shooting later. The -1 to be hit in melee DRAMATICALLY dropped WE damage, maybe 25-30% less killy from that rule alone.
Omnissiah Bless!
PRAISE THE OMNISSIAH! (aka Auspex Tactics, he must be a tech preist at least)
Never been so thrilled for a points bloat in a codex.
The day before yesterday was a good day to start planning an admech army, but damn admech is kinda good now
Apart from that, I really like your videos, keep up the great content👍
Cries quietly in the corner (deathwatch)
It sounds like I might be powering up some of my soldiers of the Omnissah once more. I don't need them to be top tier but playable. Losing blast on the Neutron Laser seems perfectly fine for the other improvements, and having my unit able to actually hit targets again will be lovely. Never before have I actually been happy to see an update with across the board point increases, what a time we live in!
losing blast on the neutron laser is almost entirely a buff imo. Not being able to shoot into melee if an enemy dreadnought or something similar charged you was absolutely brutal.
@@FavoriteKarma A valid point. Firing at a target where the blast was useful was generally massive overkill anyway. You've have needed to run out of hard targets completely to have to resort to firing at large units of models.
ABOUT FUCKING TIME.
Admech is my only 40k army since 8th. I'm mostly happy but the points increase is rough. The very awesome new army rule could make up for it, but I'm not sure.
Praise the Omnissiah, for the machine is...eternal⚙️⚙️⚙️
Soo happy for the update🙈😆
Good analysis! We had someone from AoW on the unofficial discord the other day and this tracks. I still dont think Onager will see a lot of play, and IMO robots are overrated- the ones who use them REALLY love them but closing the distance is still rough. But big boost to our most standard forms of play and having rusties again is an excellent boost.
Skystalkers got nerfed through the general grenade nerf. That one hurt.
Ave Deus Mechanicus! *Makes sign of the Cog*
I played a game with the new rules the day they came out. I brought 0 Kataphrons and killed multiple tanks. I'm so happy 😭
Beep Boop!
Not an ademch player but very happy for the playerbase, this looks like a lot of good change!
I like this idea of admec being an accuracy army , its different and its very thematic.
Guess we finally appeased some machine spirits
Looking forward playing Dunecrawler
Anyone know where I can find those rules changes for the Skitarii Marshal and the Dunerider, I don't see them in the dataslate, so I'm assuming their in some other document I can't find.
On the metawatch article scroll all the way down and download the Adeptus Mechanicus one under indexes. It's an errata.
TIME TO FINISH BUILDING MY ARMY
Vehicles with overhang and round bases should be included in the 2" pivot cost.
Non-vehicles/monsters on oval bases should only pay 1" pivot cost.
This update is just what we needed!
I might be a but biased, butvI don't think we're so strong now that we wilk be nerf big in the next
Hitting on 3 finaly! And hitting on 2s if standing still
Or get a exte ap but then hit on 4s
I looking forward to try this out :)
Edit: Apparently they've changed Hazardous to do MWs now for all units. Don't think I like that particular change(as if FNPs aren't already powerful enough in 40k!) but we'll see how it plays out.
Things are still looking up for the worshippers of the Omnissiah! 🤖
AdMech needs to double the points and effectiveness of all their units, just to make them barely affordable again
This. it's been a good start but wasn't enough to not be the most expensive army by far.
Some of the prices are just cruel. Compare a rhino to the ad mec transport.
If stuff is hitting on 2s with devastating wounds or anti whathave you, then of course there have been points increases lol. Bad news for me is my mate started collecting them. My poor Ultramarines :(
i pray gw lets us keep this for a bit i am so hyped for these buffs
Well with them fixed can we contemplate how to go about Codex marines getting hammered for year straight now?
Popeyes (2000 Points)
Adeptus Mechanicus
Skitarii Hunter Cohort
Strike Force (2000 Points)
CHARACTERS
Belisarius Cawl (150 Points)
• Warlord
• 1x Arc scourge
1x Cawl’s Omnissian axe
1x Mechadendrite hive
1x Solar atomiser
Skitarii Marshal (55 Points)
• 1x Control stave
1x Mechanicus pistol
• Enhancements: Clandestine Infiltrator
Skitarii Marshal (65 Points)
• 1x Control stave
1x Mechanicus pistol
• Enhancements: Battle-sphere Uplink
Technoarcheologist (45 Points)
• 1x Mechanicus pistol
1x Servo-arc claw
BATTLELINE
Skitarii Rangers (85 Points)
• 1x Skitarii Ranger Alpha
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Galvanic rifle
• 9x Skitarii Ranger
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
7x Galvanic rifle
1x Plasma caliver
Skitarii Rangers (85 Points)
• 1x Skitarii Ranger Alpha
• 1x Close combat weapon
1x Galvanic rifle
• 9x Skitarii Ranger
• 1x Arc rifle
9x Close combat weapon
7x Galvanic rifle
1x Plasma caliver
DEDICATED TRANSPORTS
Skorpius Dunerider (85 Points)
• 1x Armoured hull
1x Cognis heavy stubber array
OTHER DATASHEETS
Ironstrider Ballistarii (140 Points)
• 2x Ironstrider Ballistarii
• 2x Ironstrider feet
2x Twin cognis lascannon
Ironstrider Ballistarii (210 Points)
• 3x Ironstrider Ballistarii
• 3x Ironstrider feet
3x Twin cognis lascannon
Ironstrider Ballistarii (140 Points)
• 2x Ironstrider Ballistarii
• 2x Ironstrider feet
2x Twin cognis lascannon
Onager Dunecrawler (160 Points)
• 1x Broad spectrum data-tether
1x Cognis heavy stubber
1x Dunecrawler legs
1x Eradication beamer
Pteraxii Sterylizors (75 Points)
• 1x Pteraxii Sterylizor Alpha
• 1x Flechette blaster
1x Pteraxii talons
1x Taser goad
• 4x Pteraxii Sterylizor
• 9x Phosphor torch
9x Pteraxii talons
Pteraxii Sterylizors (75 Points)
• 1x Pteraxii Sterylizor Alpha
• 1x Flechette blaster
1x Pteraxii talons
1x Taser goad
• 4x Pteraxii Sterylizor
• 9x Phosphor torch
9x Pteraxii talons
Serberys Raiders (60 Points)
• 1x Serberys Raider Alpha
• 1x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs
1x Galvanic carbine
1x Mechanicus pistol
• 2x Serberys Raider
• 2x Cavalry sabre and clawed limbs
1x Enhanced data-tether
2x Galvanic carbine
Sicarian Ruststalkers (75 Points)
• 1x Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps
• 1x Transonic blades and chordclaw
• 4x Sicarian Ruststalker
• 4x Transonic blades
Sicarian Ruststalkers (75 Points)
• 1x Sicarian Ruststalker Princeps
• 1x Transonic blades and chordclaw
• 4x Sicarian Ruststalker
• 4x Transonic blades
Sydonian Dragoons with Taser Lances (210 Points)
• 3x Sydonian Dragoon
• 3x Phosphor serpenta
3x Taser lance
Sydonian Dragoons with Taser Lances (210 Points)
• 3x Sydonian Dragoon
• 3x Phosphor serpenta
3x Taser lance
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I'm a little disappointed by the reliance on battle line, but that seems to be a focus in 10th, so these updates are still rad.
where can i find these changes?
For the next two days
Hi! I have a doubt. In the doctrina imperatives explanation, the protector doctrina gives you +1 BS and heavy. You say that this means they can hit on 2+ if static, but there is a rule that says that a hit roll can never be modified by more than -1 or +1. Can they really be hitting on 2+ or because of the mentioned rule on 3+? Thanks in advance and thank you so much for your work!!
a "hit roll" can only be modified by 1. but you can also increase your B.S or W.S which effectively equals a +2 to hit
U know what? Good for u admech players, y’all who stuck with this faction deserve some fun rules (🤞 this lasts for a while, not til next dataslate!)
My optical sensors are leaking from what i assume joy equates to (i only have 1 kilo of flesh remaining after my latest upgrade)
Jokes aside, I am beyond happy with what they've done. A little less hordey and its perfect
Why did I take my cards out of the plastic before even playing my army😢
More to the point why did I buy them before reading the codex, my cards are still the plastic!
Apologies if im simply being impatient. But will all these updates be added to the warhammer app. Or should i find all of these and print them to keep in my codex?
Yes, they will be updated in the app.
Finally!!!
I want to get into 40K and decided to build admech. Can anyone guide me on a 2k build after this balance change?
I thought that a hit roll can’t be modified by more than +1 or -1
The imperatives have 2 steps. The flat increase (+1 BS or WS) and the Heavy stat (reduse the BS by 1 from +4 to +3). So what happens is Heavy makes their BS +3 and the imperative increases it by 1 resulting in a +2
To put it succinctly, improving/reducing ballistic/weapon skill is not the same as adding or subtracting to the hit roll, so both can occur, allowing a 4+ unit to hit on 2s.
Im new to 40k and really like admech but the price put me off, will these changes reduce the cost of a 2000 point army? Thanks
Surely rar battle line unit only gets the boost if within 6in of an other battle line unit
Nah the rule says "and/or" which means either if near battleline and/or if it is battleline.
Does the army rule cover the hole army? Because that was the thing I cared about
With exception to the datasmith and kung-fu panda bots who get it through the detachment rule
No longer hitting like wet noodles :D
Why 2+? I thought the BS/WS cant be improved more than ones.
So BS 4+ cannot be improved to 2+.
Or am I wrong?
Its the difference between modifying the characteristic and modifying the result of the roll. Heavy modifies the result of the roll, this rule and for example the death guard army rule affect characteristics.
Nice, thanks for the clarification
Why do people by the Codex Books again?
That physical Codex is just a paper weight at this point 😅 Hope you enjoy using the app or at least appreciate the pages of lore and artwork 'cause those pages of rules/stats are completely unusable now...
I think we all had hope this would be good but this is GW. They exceeded them in every way.
Not even with this stuff like the Tyranids and even the Dark Angels buffs out of where.
lol admech players in the comments have learned helplessness from all of the previous GW abuse. Hopefully this time is different
Tears of joil
*weeps in WD-40*
Seems like an over correction, but we’ll see.
When is this coming out
It’s out
I didn't update for me till like 3 days after the original question
Let them PLEASE go up in points further so they're not nearly so expensive to collect
I love how we admech players are so starved for good stats that we get an update that barely puts us in par with the average armies and we treat it like the holy grail that will make us competitive again
👍
Awesome stuff. Whyyyyy put points up so much though? Will have to see if it's an overall boost.
because nobody wants to play Admech horde and even less with their prices?
“Why does nobody want to pay 2k for an army? GW’s points nerfs suck!”
Before this update I was looking at list trying to get an idea what to do with the army and the 2k list cost around $1750 so I’m not complaining that I need less units
YIPPEE