Adrian Mannarino’s Old School Style Too Much for Shelton
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In today’s video, I talk about Adrian Mannarino’s old school style and why it’s still efdecrive in today’s modern game.
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OK, sorry Nic, but as said before and as much as I love your content, the spoilers in titles and screenshots sadly prevent me from continuing to subscribe.
Now the usual smart asses can come and write whitty bye-bye whiner comments, but that is not, why I am writing this. I am doing so to SUPPORT the channel by giving Nic info on why he loses (at least some) subscribers.
@@paddytubewtf are you on about? You nuts? Before Nik spoils it, you will see hundred other spoilers here. Insane comment
@@paddytube This is not 1987, we are in the internet age. Plus this video was published almost 12 hours after the match was played anyway.
@@bartholomewlyons People live in different time zones and have different obligations with work, family, etc.
Believe me I wouldn't take this step, if it hadn't been Nic who has spoiled several games for me now. I am aware of which channels to avoid when I am a day or so behind.
@@paddytube fair enough but which videos show the highlights without spoilers? Or watch the match first and then go to YT
Beware of the man who shows up on the tennis court and looks like he just mowed the lawn.
I see what you mean, he looks like a club player. But I have to assume he has no sponsorship clothing deals. He can play though., for sure.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Literally bro. Never underestimate your opponent jajaja
Ha. Yep
I get the jokes but still shows how shallow the regular voewer actually is, just assuming something about how the guy looks still is used too.mucj, thats why shelton or.anotjer hypejobs gets SO much exposure cause they act and look "Big" the yell, shout, like to make strong and powerful winners, butnlavks a Lot of the nuances that make a great tennis player, and the crowd is clueless about that too, so they get showed when a result like this happens
Shelton (as his dad) looked shell-shocked. They could not believe it. That match reminded me of those martial arts movies where the old man just kicks ass to a group of arrogant, brash and cocky youngsters 😂😂😂
Hahaha, love it!
Giles Simon was like that too. Counter Punchers from France.
I love watching Mannarino. As you say, the majority of the modern players play very similar. Mannarino is so different. In the 80's and 90's there was a bigger variety of playing styles. Guys like Santoro, McEnroe, Connors. On the Woman's side they play even more similar, Ons Jabeur & Su-Wei Hsieh being exceptions. Medevedev also has an Interesting style and Tomic had an interesting style too.
Agreed. I also like watching a variety of styles. I'm very happy for Mannarino's ongoing rise with his unique style.
I wonder if you could do a video of what Iga could do differently against a power player on her game. She needs to have some options.
Great video, as usual, Nick! Thanks for the mention. Mannarino is a unique player in many ways, and I'm impressed by his recent progress.
My pleasure. You made a great video on him a couple of years back with exact specs etc
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This is honestly some of the best commentary on tennis I've seen!
Love to hear someone explaining that old school styles can still be effective. I'd argue that because the game can be so 1-dimensional at times that players like Mannarino pose an outsized risk to "regular" players.
»You can play with your own style.« Amen.
Great comments! I agree completely. Mannarino doesn't get much respect, but he wins. It is refreshing to see players with unique/unusual/old school playing styles:)
Great reference to Mecir - loved that guy! The cat!
Mannarino's magic hands stroke again ! 😁 A true counter attacker ! His style is so unusual...
Very nice and precise analysis sir
Thank you much for the video! Many friends have laughed at me for being a Mannarino fan. Your analysis is really awesome. There are too many youtube videos on techniques. Would love to see your court geometry video.
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I KNEW you 'd have a video ready about this match! So interesting to see a different style
I think it's interesting to see that with such an atypical game style he can beat modern game style players. It shows there's not only power to win matches even in the modern area.
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Great post, need to do more of these, great insight. 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks for sharing your insights!!
Very insightful observations. This man knows his stuff
I always love your insights on tennis. I agree with your thoughts on Mannarino - he's is really good at what he does (I was watching him play Hurkacz at the United Cup where he went down fighting hard).
And I was in the crowd watching Rybakina versus Blinkova at AO - I was simply amazing level tennis and everyone was on the edges of their seats. The longest tiebreaker in Womens Slam history (so I read).
PS love your channel!
Thank you
You called it man it was 3 really easy sets. but If Mannarino's last three matches weren't five sets it would have been three competitive sets. Mannarino one of my faves since he had hair. Finally someone who agrees with me that he reminds me of Johnny Mac. It's the magic hand leftiness.
Love this! I also play an “old school” style but that’s because I was a pro player in the early 80’s. I have a small take back on my forehand and hit the extremely flat and precise. My ball skids and it causes big problems for young pros today when I compete at ITF Futures. I haven’t won a match yet against the pros but I’ve broken their serves a few times and I win approximately 30 points per match with big forehand winners. I’m not winning enough points in a row to win more games but that’s coming!!! In March I play 4 more pro tournaments at age 59!!! I’m here to kick the young uns butts! And enjoy myself too! Thanks! Carpe diem
A reference to "The Cat" Miloslav Mecir in 2024 - that's (among other reasons) why I love your channel. Cheers from Germany.
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You did a great job dissecting Mannarino's game Nick😊
Love Mannarino's style of game. Lefty, crazy angles... very difficult to find rhytm against him.
Was it you Nick you told us how loose his strings are? Sth like way under 15kg🙄
I might have, I don’t remember
Excellent analysis. Also might explain his 5 set win record. Spending less energy. Unique player in many ways.
Love these type of recap videos from your expert perspective, thanks Nik
Thank you
People online complain about pushers and say they can't do well at higher levels. Maybe you can't be the best but you can still be competitive.
The Rybakina-Blinkova match was truly exciting. We were all shouting at the club, with every match point lost. Superb!
that was insane.
It's a shame Tomic isn't still at the top level of the game. He is similar to Mannarino, not playing as 'athletic' as most players, but he can still beat them.
Yeh if he could’ve stayed a little bit fitter it’d be interesting
Agreed: it would have been great if Tomic gave a "fig" about tennis!
Australia from the heights of greats like Laver/Rosewell/Newcombr who were extremely intelligent landed up with biggest bunch of morons in this millenium starting with Tomic,,hope they get a new crop and go back to their intelligent ways to change boring way most of modern tennis being played man or woman.Sameness everywhere
Tomic is too lazy in his footwork, his movement is pretty bad. Mannarino moves better on court
@@nightowldickson definitely some better work ethic to get fitter and agile would’ve gone a long way
more such videos please ❤
I love watching different styles! Never heard if a player using 22# string tension, wow!
Well done!
Mannarino doesn’t need to lag as much as the modern stroke because his string tension is extremely low and thus has a powerful trampoline effect.
Amazing 🤩
He does remind me of Santoro a bit but Santoro was in its own class. I saw him play at Wimbledon and in Stockholm Open and it was pure magic.
Excellent perspective on style of play. Like you, I enjoy watching AM. No one plays like him.
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I believe Mannarino's minimalist style of play is the future (away from clay). I can imagine many young players being inspired by the time saving and stability brought by his very short take back.
Yep especially if they want to stay around long enough to improve their skills to their highest ranking, as mannarino has done. the most important thing you can do on the tour is be healthy enough to spend enough time to get good enough to win.
Good analysis. I respect a guy like Manna who isn't the most athletic but uses an unconventional technique. Because he doesn't have a big load up and back swing I think its hard to see which side of the court he's going to hit to. Makes him hard to read. Was a great match to watch.
He is extremely athletic if you watch him play in person.
@@EGchristian of course he is, he had played 3 x 5 set matches in a row. But he doesn't look like the type of player that he is, is what I was getting at.
Very interesting observation. Now Djokovic, at least in my opinion, can draw upon the skills of both the "old school style" and the modern player. Now add unbelievable athleticism, consistency, and reliability, and with his overall achievements, he's the GOAT. To be sure, some of his on-court behavior is a radical departure from other legends like Federer and Nadal, the both of whom I admire equally, although for different reasons. However, Novak's game and record achievements are like no other. I continue to be amazed what he can pull off at his age. It is because of his unprecedented skillset that I enjoy watching him play more so now at this late stage of his career. Again, just my opinion and observations here. But I respect yours too, even if they're entirely different from mine. Our commonality in the tennis community is about the enjoyment and advancement of the game. Happy AO to all.
Djokovic has no "old school" skills. He's not elite at the net, not good at slicing...He has lack of skills but his athleticism is super.
He's been playing in a weak era, that's why he has the most records
Novak hasn't got an unprecedented skill set. His athleticism and mental strength has carried him this far. Federer had a far superior skill set.
You are absolutely correct. At 36 djokovic’s athleticism has obviously degraded but his technique, accuracy, ability to problem solve and legendary mental strength is what keeps him ahead of the rest. Djokovic must be careful not to dismiss mannarino though. Overconfidence might get him in trouble.
@@dboystipsandtricks408 Yes, I agree. I would never underestimate or otherwise discount Mannarino's potential. The same was true with the "magician," Fabrice Santoro. I recall seeing him take down many giants.
@@neertwReally?? Are you serious. On what basis you say that Federer has a better skill set when he cannot win battle of gruelling rallies with Novak and Nadal which he mostly loses.
Pistol Sampras and Connors have judged Novak as the most complete player than Federer. Do you think you know tennis better than them ?? Just asking.😂😂😂
It was classic old school tactics in full effect- placement, different paces, still wins over power if u have the patience and footspeed= wins and being a money player like the frenchman! salute!
Rybakina v Blinkova match was great, and that tiebreak was truly enjoyable. Re Mannarino, I remember in 2022 AO, the commentators were hyping him up, saying he's going to be a tricky opponent for Nadal. Well they were right after the first set, Nadal winning it in a tiebreak, but then Rafa destroyed him 6-2 6-2.
anyone remember when adrian was asking everyone on twitter for a particular babolat racket that babolat said they would no longer produce?
Best hands on tour
I haven't watched Mannarino much in the past but I can't think of anyone I have enjoyed watching more in the last couple of years. I'm rooting for him in the AO. I was happy to see him prevail against the youngster ✌️
I was rooting for Shelton but Mannarino played an exceptional match. Shelton is exciting to watch but I kept saying “wow! That’s a really smart shot!”…about Mannarino.
Exactly. The Murray-Djokovic matchup was one of the most boring. They were doing the same thing, and looked so similar doing it.
Mannarinos big force I think is among others his pricision strokes . Thats due to these shorts swings and standing close to the baseline. Yes I was thinking on Jonny Mac. and
now you mention Metziers "the Cat". Great analyes and yes thank a lot from Denmark.
Like Rios, Mecir and Hingis!!!
I knew this was going to be an interesting match. It's hard to imagine two pros with more contrasting styles.
Mannarino is very underrated! He creep up on you and destroy you within. Very interesting players and like a stealth fighter!
I saw this match completly, fantastic played by Manna. His short strokes also let Shelton not read Mannas forehand, the angles have been fantastic, so he could circle around Shelton from corner to corner. Mannarino plays partly with less tension, he nearly ordered his strings after every rallaye. Djokovic won´t have any problems with Mannarino, Zverev played him often and never lost, when I remind right.
My son is being coached a similar style as Mannarino. The advantage is, that it is in the loading phase much simpler. Before my son had a big loading face where he was often too late, but with a Mannarino style he can react quicker and with the correct technique generate alot of speed and spin. I think it is also much easier to learn for old tennis dads who want to keep up with the young ones :)
Hey Nick could we assume that for rec players above 35 -40 is may be wise to kind of copy manarino s style that it seems more energy sustainable without loosing power as we saw?
Excellent question. It’s very difficult to play like mannarino. Requires quick hands and exceptional timing/footwork. Easier to utilize body to help the arm. I’m going to address this in future, some aspects of Mannarino we can all copy but it’s complex.
I’m a 39 year old 3.5 rec player. I can hit hard if I have time but that’s not always the case as we’re running. A transition to a more counter punching style has helped me tremendously! It actually came about as my mild tennis elbow made me slow down my game more and then I realized it’s the best style of play for me. Especially as I’m 5’10 and carrying 195 lbs
3.5 rec players we just need to cut down errors and be comfortable in neutral rallies like Mannerino. He lives in neutral zone.
At 36, to win three successive five setters against younger opponents is one helluva of feat. Mannarino makes playing tennis so ordinary. He doesn't take too much time to serve and neither he bends his body as much. His shots are very deceptive and he finds incredible angles and depth in shots.
I am sure Novak will never take him lightly when he faces him because Mannarino is a much better player today than he was in the past. His game has improved with age and he has won more tournaments when he is old than young.
Similarly to manna, nole also relies on the power of his strings (hybrid setup) to generate pace on his flat shots. Gut/mono and low tension mono strings bring both control and pace, although manna's string tension is taken to the extreme..
You'll see that, on hard courts, nole often takes control of the point with his down the line flat shots (while manna mostly hits cross) with less preparation than the average modern player.
The outcome of this match will rely on nole's ability to attack manna's lifeless shots which I think he'll manage much better than shelton thanks to his much cleaner/more reliable shots.
Did you also predict Cazaux beating Rune? Any comment on that one?
I agree with you in having different styles in tennis I would add personality too 😊 makes tennis more fun to watch.
It's hardly surprising, Mannarino is a tricky player to play against. And talk about his impressive 5 set records, where he's only lost 2, one of which was against Federer at Wimbledon - where Mannarino was clearly the better player and had Federer in all sorts of trouble until Mannarino rolled his ankle or injured his foot and had to retire.
About predicting WTA - it's an impossible task! Upsets galore!
Yes, give the kid a break, he’s still learning how his body works, etc. almost 5 hours match. This is a valuable experience for a young developing player.
100% agree. All the key fundamentals are there just like any pro tennis players, some people here are acting like he's a club player.
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WTA is harder to predict the draws since it's best of 3 sets and hence there's more chance for upsets (statistically speaking, the longer a match the more chances the better player is going to win).
Mannarino plays like that because he had injuries and issues. He was forced to alter his playing style so he could continue playing.
One factor not mentioned: Mannarino is also a lefty. Shelton probably did not have a small edge he would normally have against right handlers and that edge was enough to lose the match.
Let's go champ! 🐐🇷🇸💪
The Polish player Magdalena Fręch is pronounced with a "h" sound at the end.
i appreciate you saying this but make another video where novak in the next round just gave Adrian a hard court lesson , love all your insight on these matches !
I am a Shelton fan but when I saw this draw I knew it was going to be tough because Shelton can be impatient. Counterpunchers pray on your impatience. That was a bad match up for Ben and probably a good one for Mannarino. But, pretty fun match to see. Both have zero shot to beat the GOAT though IMO.
I am still not convinced with Shelton. Although to be fair my opinion is totally immaterial. He is so young and can learn and still win in five years time at the age of 25. So his fans will have to be patient.
mannarinos string tension is like 20 something lbs
I watched the whole tiebreak between Rybakina and Blinkova and it was quite painful. Out of 42 points there were maybe 5 or 6 exciting rallies with quality finish, but most of the tiebreak was unforced errors, it was unbelievable, especially Rybakina, she was so tight on every match point she had, apart from the last one, where Blinkova played some really amazing defense. But Rybakina really didn’t deserve to win. And the whole match was not the highest quality, both made almost 50 UEs in less than 3 hours on court.
For me the most exciting match was Zverev against Klein, who was very close to an upset. But despite losing his attitude and effort was amazing - also with a lot of errors, but he played super attacking tennis and Zverev said he was only a spectator at times. If he wasn’t serving great that day, he would have lost.
Yeah seemed like both of those ladies were trying to lose!
@@K4R3N It’s the pressure of the moment, so I wouldn’t blame them, I just don’t know why people think it was the best match at AO so far. Without the super long tiebreak and the fact Rybakina lost no one would talk about it.
i'm going to work on emulating his fh but that grip is even more radical than i used growing up. I've always been a big fan and Shelton is going to be top 10 shortly. BTW AM changed his FH a few years ago because of injury. BS fh return down the line is out of control.
Based on your experience with clients what is the average age at which point it is very difficult for someone to continue to improve / play better than the previous year simply because aging body doesn’t allow it? What I find particularly appealing in tennis for those who learnt at a somewhat older age (at 20, 30 or older) is that you can continue to improve year after year. I understand that those who started at a young age / played college tennis / tournaments their peak time in tennis will be in their 20s. In other words can you still continue to improve in your 60s, 70s (80s I doubt it).
Great question. I’ll address in video format bc the answer is long
Please do. Looking forward to hearing about this too as I’m learning tennis in my 30s
Great, it used to be the debate between bent or straight arm. Now its all about the wrist.
🎵🎵🎵Lets go Manna🎶🎶🎶
Unbelievably, he doesn't have an apparel contract and just grabs any old Tshirt out of closet. He's a guy no one wants to play. Impressive the way he changes speed with no obvious effort.
Bye Ben! 👋😆 Taken out by good ol' Manarino!
he plays with the lowest string tension on tour... i think that its related to his technique
Mannarino has a very "compact" stance on his FH and BH. Like in fighting, this makes it easier to counterpunch and hide your intentions making him difficult to read as well.
just say he's a pusher, short & sweet.
Cookie cutter tennis where everyone plays like Djokovic - defensive game, two handed backhand, and little risk taking (subjective I know) bores me. Add grunting, frequent fist pumps, and looks to the player's box - all this is a turn off! Edberg, Rafter, Marcelos Rios - this is exciting tennis. I will def. follow Mannarino and rooting for this underdog!
Nice video but I would call Mannarino's style "old school". I think Mannarino actually uses very compact modern strokes instead of old school style. Old School tennis to me is more likely McEnroe, Connors and Evert where they hit more off the front, more neutral and closed stances, with less loop in the backswing and smaller core rotation.
He has that style you see in a club player that you see and say I can beat him. Then even after losing still think he’s bad and you’re better. Yet you never are able to beat him.
Was rootin for Leyla to make a run...Swiatek will bring it home w Rybakina out now. Rootin for Sinner in the mens
For casual rec player, mcenroe style is best.
the magician, I never underestimate this legend... he currently has a positive 4-3 h2h against medvedev!
Shelton just got taught another lesson by another veteran.
Don't get me wrong Nik I love when Mannarino that plays like bunting the ball (Tiafoe dixit) beats opponents that seem much more dangerous.
But after watching his double bagel vs Djokovic and hearing in Twitter that the last time Nole administered such a score was against Carlos Berlocg in USO in 2011 people are asking now if
that means that Mannarino was Berlocqued the other day ? 🤭
Or that the so called double bagel so far from now on in tennis world will be named a Mannarinade or if I beat tomorrow my next opponent 6-0, 6-0 am I allowed to say like
I schooled him a Mannarino or I waxed him a Mannarino or I gave him a Mannarinade or simply I put him a Mannarino🤣?
I bet he doesn't have the wrist flexibility that some players have.
I wrist only bends back about 45° and my elbows don't allow my arm to fully extend as much as others. I'm well aware of this from practicing yoga.
As a result my grip and stance is different in order to get the same swing through the ball.
We can't follow a model. More coaches should understand anatomy and do some simple test with their student to determine what their most effective technique should be
I don’t know anyone else who plays with such low tension. How can he keep the ball in court?
He is just typical French player Unorthodox and finese
Nothing against Manorino, but he's no Fabrice Santoro. I'd look at Santoro and think there's no way he'd beat a college player let alone someone like Safin. Mannarino like you said reminds me a bit of Rios so I can see him do well in general and specifically against power players
Mannarino uses lower string tension, yes?
Excuses, excuses for Mannarino busting your bracket 😂😂😂
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I think Ben Shelton is so impatient or in a hurry to be on top. He thinks he can duplicate or even surpass Alcaraz' achievements in a short period of time. He should learn more from these older players, be humble and respectful of them. His time to be on top will come when he gained enough knowledge and experience from his opponents everytime he loses. Sweet victory will come in due time. In the meantime, enjoy each match you play.
Probably the most sustained intelligent match I have watched since Federer gave up playing Even FedEx had very difficult time when he played him in Wimbledon.As an Indian,I will probably compare Mannarino's style to my countrymen RameshKrishnan who can make many players esp Shilton type rabbits dance to his tunes.This match was a delight to old hags like me who are not impressed with the idiotic playing styles of modern players misguided by morons sitting in their boxes as coaches.I hope Australia wakes up make their tennis sparkle with intelligence,rest of world will take long time to wake up
You can only play as good as your opponent allows you! If I were playing someone who "as not as good as myself" my plan would be to exploit his weaknesses, and to do that I would keep the ball in play until he/she has showed me what they can do. All the while I would be winning games at the same time. I tell tournament players you want to play your best tennis when you need to, that should have been a practice match for Ben, but he has not figured that out yet! That is how good players become great players. It takes years to understand that, some people never do. How do you play your best tennis against a player not as good as you? not pretty! but that's how you learn! I go to clubs and see kids giving lessons, they have no match experience (or very little) and it looks like these new people to tennis get off to a very bad start in their habits. I feel sorry for them, a good pro/trainer would give them better introduction to tennis. But then again, how do you tell a up and coming millionaire such basic things? hard lesson to learn and his trainers cannot seem to point that out him. Hope this helps, sorry for the rant.....
Didn't help much against the Djoker though. Almost cooked up a triple bagel.
Yes you mentioned its not interesting to see players with the same style. I would say that the Grand Slam matches between Murray snd Djokovic have been boring relative any other matches with the other legends.
I wonder if the lefty/lefty matchup challenged Shelton, and with Mannarino being a crafty lefty… even worse.
I think it did
why isnt mannarino sponsored?
Pusherino!
He Strings his stick at about 12-20 LBS Pounds