Kemper Announces PAID Player Upgrades

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 246

  • @Andreas_Straub
    @Andreas_Straub 10 годин тому +16

    Do not buy! Do not set a precedence! Support Line6 and Fractal instead.

  • @aaronsanchez93
    @aaronsanchez93 22 години тому +13

    Gheeez. For that price ? Yeah right. Sticking with my stomp lol 😂 FREE updates remember when stomp had less blocks? And upgrade to 8 blocks. It was free lol. Come on kemper get it together.

  • @mattpearce79
    @mattpearce79 21 годину тому +12

    Almost bought one this week, went for the Nano Cortex instead, glad I waited..hopefully others don’t go the route. If it was $50 then I would say reasonable but $300! No thanks

  • @aaronashear3002
    @aaronashear3002 20 годин тому +27

    yep. A never, ever product for me. Thanks Kemper. You made the decision abundantly easy.

  • @privateer2584
    @privateer2584 21 годину тому +33

    I'm getting ready to buy a new modeler and was considering Kemper... I'm gonna look at other options.

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  21 годину тому

      If you do, go with the stage IMO. But, I understand if this is just a huge turn off to the brand...

    • @guitartoneSA
      @guitartoneSA 17 годин тому

      That's exactly what you shouldn't do..
      There is nothing on the market in so far as mini nano digital boxes that can compete with a Player either as is stock or adding the 179 Euro level 2 uograde.
      You only really need level 2 at 179 Euros....that's the first set of one gig.
      You get all the Stage FX, all the Drives, the Fuzz system (which is genius), and Morphing.
      Dual 1/2 and 3/4 foot switching was added for free in the update.

    • @Jason-Taylor
      @Jason-Taylor 17 годин тому

      Keep in mind that Kemper is a profiler and not a modeler. I think the term gets passed around from product to product regardless of the technology but if you really are looking for something that has tweakable models, then Kemper is not what you’re looking for.

    • @guitartoneSA
      @guitartoneSA 11 годин тому

      @@Jason-Taylor
      You think you can't tweak the Kemper Profiles?
      You sure can...

  • @89digits59
    @89digits59 11 годин тому +18

    Lot of people will leave Kemper due to this stupid move by Kemper - anyone else agree ?

  • @JCW308
    @JCW308 22 години тому +14

    I own two. Per Kemper Support, you have to buy each upgrade PER UNIT, not per account. INSANE.

  • @ShreddingFinn
    @ShreddingFinn 22 години тому +14

    Where are my Kemper player hackers? This reminds me of the ps5 pro debacle. Like you already mentioned, a grand can buy you a lot of nice stuff on the used market, or I would just go buy a brand spanking new FM3. Tone Junkie is a Kemper shill, I don't like making those type of statements but there should be no support for this as a business model

    • @alien4422
      @alien4422 19 годин тому

      I sent my FM3 back I now have a Kemper Player which even with the paid software upgrades is $467.98 cheaper than an FM3 here in Great Britain.

    • @danielferrera8773
      @danielferrera8773 18 годин тому

      ​@@alien4422can you please share where did you get it for that price? I'd be actually interested...

    • @alien4422
      @alien4422 17 годин тому

      @@danielferrera8773 The Kemper Player is £620 and the FM3 is £1200 in the UK. The Kemper software upgrades are £250.

    • @mirosawwitek929
      @mirosawwitek929 10 годин тому

      Well, Kemper didn't do well, if I had known that they would charge such a high price for the update, I would have bought Nano Cortex!!

    • @vinniesworld459
      @vinniesworld459 10 годин тому

      @@ShreddingFinn custom/homebrew roms wen...

  • @svtbass
    @svtbass 22 години тому +14

    I was looking at this Kemper too. For that reason alone. I will NOT buy a Kemper. Im a bass touring bass player... I dont need all that other extra garbage they have... I need an SVT , B15, Compressor, Octave, maybe Chorus, a few different cabs.. Thats it..
    If LIne 6 Did a capture UNIT.. Id be in.. I run a HELIX at this time or my Ampeg Analog SGTDI with great results... KEMPER just got kicked to the curb for me

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  21 годину тому +2

      Makes sense on all counts. HX Stomp may be best for ya

    • @svtbass
      @svtbass 21 годину тому +1

      @@SteveSterlacci Yes, I currently use an HX Stomp or my Ampeg SGTDI. Ive had the HX out on debbie gibson tours and FOH was very happy.....But I did NOT use an amp sim.. Just comp, OCT, a clean tube pre sim.. Very simple into my REDDI DI.
      My issue with HX stomp is really HX EDIT.. I HATE the Sliders!!!!
      I dont know of many amps that use SLIDERS to make adjustments and the slider from 1-10. 5 is NOT really FLAT EQ.
      My friend has the newer Fender Tone modeler. I have not tired it yet.BUt the UI is great...Could use a bit more bass great..
      I do like the HX stomp but the HX EDIT would be great if it used a KNOB bases UI similar to fractal for faster programming.

    • @johnbeamon
      @johnbeamon 20 годин тому

      All the brands and features you listed, you don't need Line 6 to offer a capture. All those things are available across the entire Helix/Stomp product line.

    • @svtbass
      @svtbass 19 годин тому

      @@johnbeamon I know that.. I've had the HX STOMP since it first came out. Their SVT is not a good SVT compared to some others... It lacks the key features of an SVT. ULTRA LOW, ULTRA HI, The stock SVT 810 is very dark sounding too. I have to use an IR.. Which is OK.. I think it sounds real good. 85% there..But its the HX EDIT that is not super friendly.
      What amp has SLIDERS to make tonal adjustments? Only a few 60s amps that I've seen.
      And even on the SLIDER, from 1 to 10.. 5 is NOT a FLAT position... Which makes on the fly changes cumbersome when in the heat of battle..
      HX EDIT via USB could use an overhaul of GUI much like the newer Fender modeler has.
      IAs you know Line 6 and Ampeg are now owned by Yamaha.
      I recently bought a Macbook pro to use the Ampeg SVT SUITE Prog APP for shows...I'll be taking that out on my next run of shows later this year.
      FOr me teh HX EDIT makes the HX Stomp a real PITA to really dial in a usable sound for BASS .

    • @kurt273
      @kurt273 16 годин тому +1

      ​@@svtbassI had a hard time with hx stomp I owned with my bass..I just went with quad. Glad I did.

  • @nicolasrivera5310
    @nicolasrivera5310 18 годин тому +4

    Better buy an FM3 at that end price.

  • @FatherRabbitt
    @FatherRabbitt 21 годину тому +3

    Feels like a kinda tone deaf move on their part. Their competition in the capture tech world is cheaper, sounds better, and is smaller than what they offer. They gotta focus on releasing a Kemper 2 or something to compete with the Tonex and QC instead of….whatever this is.

  • @AlexGiordaniMusic
    @AlexGiordaniMusic 19 годин тому +3

    Smart move from Kemper....Tonex buyers will increase ten times 😆

  • @matthewdavis473
    @matthewdavis473 21 годину тому +3

    The first thing I thought when I heard this was that you could get a used stage for the price of the unit and both upgrades. Glad you made that point

  • @WholeLottaBulldog
    @WholeLottaBulldog 19 годин тому +3

    $300 is too much, its as simple as that. $200 would have been far more reasonable.

  • @komobabo
    @komobabo 22 години тому +4

    Buying a product only to have to shill out for "more features" is mind boggling to me. Why would I drop $1k (and let's be real it will be more...) on a unit when they offer those features built into the unit in that price range... And this is paid update No.1 so if every one of those is going to be $300 imagine by the end you'll be paying more than you ever did for a Kemper stage or classic Kemper. For a less useful, less intuitive design that will require more money by buying MIDI pedals to properly incorporate the "added" features...
    If that ain't spitting in the face of your consumers, I don't know what is.

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  21 годину тому +1

      It is for sure a bummer. I hope companies dont make this normal practice

    • @komobabo
      @komobabo 13 годин тому

      @@SteveSterlacci I hope!

  • @zipporaid
    @zipporaid 14 годин тому +2

    Should have upped the price on new machines by 100 and charged 99 to upgrade old units. 300 and the cheesy segmented tiers probably cost them more to program then it will make them in the long run

  • @bry8500
    @bry8500 19 годин тому +2

    well, it’s pretty clear what happened here. Kemper released the player and they didn’t sell enough of them to keep providing upgrades for free. line 6 is selling enough of them and the small changes that they make overtime. Keep the sales high enough that they can continue to provide free upgrades. so a company has to either sell their product in huge scale in which case they can provide free upgrades, or if they can’t do that then the upgrades will be paid. those are the two viable business models. I just think the whole thing is going to crash at some point because there’s so many used and nearly free options available that the competition won’t allow expensive gear to be made And sold at a Profit

  • @28mmRPG
    @28mmRPG 21 годину тому +2

    (after seeing so many "YOU DONT NEED A TUBE AMP" "END OF TUBE AMPS" videos show up on YT...) Goes back to playing his EVH5150III...

  • @QuickSticks8771
    @QuickSticks8771 12 годин тому +2

    Don’t give them a cent
    If other companies see this being successful they’ll all do it

  • @lebroucke
    @lebroucke 21 годину тому +2

    And here I was thinking the only horrible choices they made was on the cosmetics 🤣🤣.

  • @muleblues71
    @muleblues71 22 години тому +9

    glad I dumped my kemper and went back to tube amps. Make amps great again

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  21 годину тому +3

      you have my vote

    • @gwynbleiddroach2589
      @gwynbleiddroach2589 18 годин тому +1

      Got my first tube amp this month, and soldano astro 20. Modelers really aren't the same in feel, I can never go back to just using a modeler, and I've tried and played all

  • @Nig6tWalker
    @Nig6tWalker 22 години тому +2

    Kemper screw the Players owner witrh that update

  • @TheRyanshamowski
    @TheRyanshamowski 12 годин тому +2

    You can be sure that if Kemper makes money off this, other companies will quickly follow suit. All you need is one company to set the precedent. Apple removes a headphone jack, Samsung follows suit and so on.

  • @grgrygan
    @grgrygan 17 годин тому +2

    What would have been smarter was releasing a new unit called the player plus for $1000-1100 that was the same hardware with the updates installed. Then wait 6 months to a year to release a $300 upgrade to the original player. I bet everyone would be saying how great a deal it was. It doesn't seem like Keeper understands the psychology of pricing.

    • @davidropertz9996
      @davidropertz9996 2 години тому

      I agree! Still, for the customer their upgrading option is much better, flexible, sustainable. But people don‘t understand… they would rather upgrade the hardware for 1100$ and would love it, than upgrading the existing device for a fraction of the price.

  • @luckymchl2074
    @luckymchl2074 20 годин тому +3

    $300 is too much for features that should have been implemented in the first place. $50-$100 for both and I'd buy one right now. But $300? I'd rather buy a used Boss MS-3 for $350 and run the Kemper into it. (Actually I did and run a Tonex One into it) Shhhhhh. LOL. Best setup at ~$500-600 IMO. I have 3 loops, a Midi controller, Tuner, almost all of Boss's pedals and others like the 808. I believe it's 112 effects in total. 200 patches. Tons of outputs. I highly doubt there is a massive tonal shift between my setup, and the Kemper player with all feature updates that makes it $400-$500 better.

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  20 годин тому

      Tonex 1 for modeling drive pedals is so good too. I agree with the pricing assessment

    • @luckymchl2074
      @luckymchl2074 19 годин тому

      @@SteveSterlacci Yeah, I have a few pedals captures on here. SD-1, 808, ISP Theta Preamp pedal. Even a Two Notes Le Lead tube Dist pedal. I've got the Tonex One into Loop 2, and been mostly running a capture from Tone Wars of the Litchlearm Prometheus that I boost with a Peper's Dirty Tree for gain. With a second channel for leads with Delay, Reverb, and a volume boost. For cleans I have a capture of the Roland JC-120, with the chorus coming from the MS-3. I use the MS-3's noise gate after the loop. A parametric Eq after the loop to tame the high gain tone. Bit of compression before the gain on my lead channel. I've barely touched any capabilities I have. And it sounds great. SD Powerstage 170. Avatar Contemporary 4x12 with 2 - V30's 2 - G12T75's.

    • @DigiArc
      @DigiArc 4 години тому

      Why would you say it “should have been included”? You want the $1500 Stage for $700? Ridiculous.

  • @finchman7654
    @finchman7654 9 годин тому +1

    Thats fkn disgusting.
    You buy the hardware and its capable of these upgrades already then they should be included free when available!!!!
    Its like cars with air con but its disabled until you pay an upgrade.
    Absolutely shit move by Kemper

  • @dariogrijalba
    @dariogrijalba 20 годин тому +1

    This is really a huge turn off for me. I really hope users do not support this kind of greedy business. Another great reason to love my Hx stomp! Great video Steve. I just ordered the tonex one to pair it with my hx stomp after watching your vids!! Can't wait to have that combo

  • @otfan522botjournalismisdea2
    @otfan522botjournalismisdea2 22 години тому +2

    Now we need fractal and line6 to offer capture type tech. If they do they will be forever GOATED

    • @privateer2584
      @privateer2584 21 годину тому +1

      I'm really shocked Line 6 hasn't already done that.

  • @metatron333ascension
    @metatron333ascension 15 годин тому +1

    that is very bad lol. so what is the purpose of getting the $700 player only to do the upgrades and it costs the same as a regular kemper? it just doesnt make sense. $300? they are crazy. that puts the price at $1,000. ill stay with headrush lol its all you ever need anyway. the headrush core is $700 and the prime is like $1,000.

  • @imacmadman22
    @imacmadman22 15 годин тому +1

    What's next, subscriptions? I'm not going to be nickled and and dimed to death, forget that. No Kemper products for me.

  • @MrCgar18
    @MrCgar18 15 годин тому +1

    i dont agree with tone junkie its kind of bs that the unit had the ability to do more but they held out, its catfished you bought something for the price and yes it does what you thought but now they go, oh wait it does more but you have to pay more to get it,why not just put it out this way from the get go? Its bullshit.

  • @FastRedPonyCar
    @FastRedPonyCar 16 годин тому +1

    Absolutely not. Kemper are getting roasted for this. And for good reason.
    Also, I don’t think anyone should buy digital gear because of what it COULD be. You have to be 100% content with hour it is at launch because if you buy it hoping it can do something more eventually, you’ll end up like all the disgruntled quad cortex users who bought those early and were expecting timely delivery of editor software and plugin support.

    • @martiboucat
      @martiboucat 5 годин тому

      I agree. Support and updates are a plus, not a feature.
      I don’t like what Kemper has done as it sets a precedent, but they see it as an upgrade, not an update.

  • @martyshwaartz971
    @martyshwaartz971 21 годину тому +2

    Man I'm shocked Kemper are the ones. Would've place money on NDSP or Fender doing this first.

    • @rejuvenator8966
      @rejuvenator8966 20 годин тому

      Exactly. And I'm surprised Neural is making it's way up in my list of respectable guitar modeller companies. Despite the poorly calculated money grab that the Nano cortex is of course 😂

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  20 годин тому

      @rejuvenator8966 I'm in the camp that likes nano. I've been so critical of qc on the channel. Like VERY. But nano is cool for what it is IMO. As long as they don't over promise and under deliver lol

    • @rejuvenator8966
      @rejuvenator8966 20 годин тому

      @@SteveSterlacci Fair enouh! I'm a QC user that has some gripes with the unit and Neural, but yet I still own the thing and gig with it cause it ticks many boxes for me and sounds good

  • @Ozman77
    @Ozman77 4 години тому +1

    This reminds me of your reaction to finding out the unit couldn’t profile.
    My take is, as an FM9 owner that wanted to add captures to the rig, the ToneXOne in the loop of the unit was amazing! As a former Quad Cortex user, my curiosity for the Nano got the best of me… now that unit is in the other loop of the FM9 😂 and I could be happier, I’m seriously considering selling the ToneXOne and getting another Nano because of the midi capability.
    Running a Wet/Dry/Wet rig on the FM9 now, and having the ability to capture other drive pedals I own or other people Amps for $550 is in my view the best deal of the bunch.

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  4 години тому +1

      You can also use tonex 1 as 2 drive pedals that arent in fractal and get to use both!

  • @Garflips
    @Garflips 20 годин тому +1

    They should have offered their capture capability as a software program along with this upgrade. That would have given them a competitive edge... or at least a more equal edge.

  • @tobiasbales
    @tobiasbales 22 години тому +3

    I am not even playing anything Kemper right now but I don't really get it, they said openly that, on one of the first days, the hardware (DSP wise) it is the same
    but that there are limitations on the software and that future (paid) upgrades might happen.
    This is now happening - and it makes sense.
    Also Kemper not killing their larger products by basically offering a stage for less than half the money does make sense too.
    If you (while reading this) were running Kemper, would you give away your flagship product for less than half the money?
    I doubt it.
    Happy with what the player offers?
    Get the player without upgrades.
    Want everything?
    Get a stage.
    Want everything but don't care about the effects loop, do lots of fly gigs and don't need as many buttons etc?
    Get the player and the upgrades - still quite a bit cheaper (600?) than a stage.
    As for the comparison to the plugins - the Kemper (Head, Rack, Stage) have been around forever.
    Then the player happened - and it was quite different and they were pretty up front with it.
    But now you can make this go full circle in a tiny, and possibly all in one, rig which is pretty neat.
    And where is everybody complaining about Eventide doing this since basically forever?
    And it also does not mean that future upgrades (that Kemper has been doing since 2009 and kept shipping out upgrades and I can't imagine that they stop doing that going forward.

  • @gauravlama2079
    @gauravlama2079 14 годин тому

    It’s better to buy a new product than to upgrade. I don’t like this idea of upgrading etc. They will keep doing this in the future and suck 1000’s of $ dollars 💵 from the people. I am better off with a helix and fractal audio system.
    Seriously this is a bad idea

  • @supermarkmusic
    @supermarkmusic 32 хвилини тому

    Weird… up until this point Kemper have been great. Loads of free upgrades. (Kemper rack user)

  • @acepalacio8223
    @acepalacio8223 39 хвилин тому

    After listening to all the you tube videos on the Kemper upgrade
    If you only have the player and want to remain small then
    Do it.Both upgrades
    If you already have a stage ,toaster,or rack mount but have the player,I say no
    I bought the player for what it was ,something I can throw and fly or for tight areas
    I’m keeping it as is
    Just needed the midis switches to get quicker access to profiles and effects and tuner.
    Strip version perfect for that .
    That’s my take

  • @sb6232
    @sb6232 Годину тому

    It's an upgrade..As a KemperPowerhead owner, I would be PISSED if you could get all of the features of a more expensive unit (..still being made ..) for $700. You want more features? You have to pay more. Period.

  • @bercelsantiago-h8f
    @bercelsantiago-h8f Годину тому

    Got my kemper when it first came out, and its just collecting dust, i wished i didnt buy one, i see 1100 for rack kemper used one here in canada its cheap now, i wished i can return it, why buy kemper player then buy the upgrade while you can get used rack and stage this days for cheap, tone junkie he is always bias when it comes to kemper, i love kemper i have two powered rack too, but this upgrade its just insane, just think about it, why buy kemper player and upgrade when you can buy used stage or rack in the same price maybe cheaper complete effects and full inputs and outputs and can profile amp, getting player is none sense, me myself regret it

  • @dlj1285
    @dlj1285 55 хвилин тому

    Hilarious. Do these companies think these things through at all? lol...Yeah, not gonna happen.

  • @2550marshall
    @2550marshall 17 годин тому

    Mean while, over in the Fractal camp.....dudes!!!!!!....just spend the extra cash and get the best!
    Best decision I ever made was buy a Fractal AF3....cancel my Quad Cortex order and sell my Kemper stage.

  • @JonnyDee123
    @JonnyDee123 2 години тому

    I was considering buying the Kemper as an additional modeller to have in the toybox to partner my Pod Go.
    Following this ludicrously grasping and dumb move by Kemper - now on a scale of 0-10 this is my likelihood of doing that - 0.

  • @psmail007
    @psmail007 16 годин тому

    In keyboard land, Roland has been doing this for a while. But the bit I hate ... If I understand it correctly... Is that you can't sell an upgrade you've purchased when you sell the unit you purchased it for.

  • @MrCgar18
    @MrCgar18 2 години тому

    once again imo companies need to be careful and mindful of its customers honestly i think if we had to, the majority of people can get away with a amp that cleans up nicely,a good od,reverb delay and thats it everything else is just distration honesly as guitarist we do not need all of these pedals its just really extra toys honestly and companies should be aware of this and not try and cheat its customers.I have seen you demonstrate the nano cortex and others and it can do enough to gig.i have bought add on and such and if helix came out with a great bundle as a paid addition I would pay it because they ahve given us alot of fixes free updates but come on kemper you were the xm of satelite radio until sirius added stern and pandora came out apple spotify etc. It took years for you to come out with anything and now this.

  • @jimwoodard64
    @jimwoodard64 20 годин тому

    I got the device day one, and I also own a Kemper Stage. I was hoping this would become my live rig. No, it did not. I have now got a Neural Nano Cortex and ToneX for comparison. I just want something I can put a drive/fuzz/and wah in front of an call it a day. Hopefully, Neural doesn't charge to add some other reverb and delays in the software, but we shall see. That said, I hope that one of these can make my foot stomping a little easier in the live gigs ahead. The Stage would be my mainstay and this would be my smaller rig.

  • @Unclemyro
    @Unclemyro 6 годин тому

    I was kemper player for 10 years, still have it,, over 3k invested,, now they want more money from me?????This sucks, I will not buy it,,what a Total dissapointment from them,, a money grab, Hello Quad,,

  • @johnerodz7
    @johnerodz7 3 години тому

    Im a Kemper user and I’m so disappointed on charging for the upgrades I don’t think is fair. I’m also a Fractal and Fender pro master user and their upgrades are free I’ll stay with the Kemper stage is easy to carry and there’s no need for paying upgrades I hope it’s stay like that

  • @BillySoundFarm
    @BillySoundFarm 21 годину тому

    We are pathetic if we reward them for this by giving money. Kemper Player is dead to me.

  • @adamcogan211
    @adamcogan211 5 годин тому

    Hahahah and all these people who knew nothing were crying and whining about the Nanocortex. This is why I knew the nanocortex was the way forward. And no, tonex is NO WHERE close to quality or sound of either and has a terrible UI.

  • @Vaalbara27
    @Vaalbara27 17 годин тому

    I used to own a Kemper for many years and loved it, I'll probably never buy one again, there's better options out there and they haven't kept up with the industry very well.

  • @JuddOakes
    @JuddOakes 2 години тому

    I think form factor is a big sell point as well for the player cause its way smaller than stage even if you oay the dough the realestate is alot less

  • @nikkinik2161
    @nikkinik2161 7 годин тому

    Kemper lost many new customers over the last years, especially after the releases of ToneX and the Quad Cortex. I always thought their sales are going down, but this is proof that hardware sales are going down and they need new revenue channels. Nothing bad in general, but compared to other brands ... having paid upgrades ... yikes.

  • @adamkendra7182
    @adamkendra7182 6 годин тому

    Fractal literally updates all the time for free with firmware updates to push the boundaries of their units. The only time they come out with new products is when they have pushed the the limits of what the technology can handle.
    As someone who has always been interested in Kemper, the player enticed me when it first came out… this is a bush league move from the people at Kemper and I will never support them going forward.

  • @alexmasters23
    @alexmasters23 5 годин тому

    How did Kemper see the awful reactions to the Nano Cortex and think to announce this anyway...

  • @adamwilcox6405
    @adamwilcox6405 8 годин тому

    The idea that the player is still what it was is such a disingenuous argument. The way the market has worked, even from Kemper, has been the hardware gets regular updates.
    If it was made clear from the start this is how it would work then fair enough, but to drop this nearly a year after its release is pretty poor and you either pay the money or accept the fact that (lets be honest the premium price you paid for a limited product) has become legacy already.

  • @stevegardiner8473
    @stevegardiner8473 7 годин тому

    Well if i was previously on the fence about getting one, im definitely not anymore.

  • @steveeckert8396
    @steveeckert8396 15 годин тому

    $300 to upgrade a $700 box? That's a hard pill to swallow. If I was a betting man I would guess Kemper is either not making required profit margins on the hardware or the company is having cash flow problems, maybe both. You were spot on with the buy used suggestion. As for Tone Junkie, I rarely hear him criticize Kemper............😉

  • @areallyboredguy5825
    @areallyboredguy5825 3 години тому

    SAAS for pedals is a fk no from me. I am so sick of how today you don’t just own things you buy anymore.

  • @peevee605
    @peevee605 11 годин тому

    Let’s see what the other brands do. I’d rather charge 100 bucks more for the unit and keep the tier 3 option for 99$ locked to your account and keep customers coming back.

  • @MidnightCircusBand
    @MidnightCircusBand 7 хвилин тому

    Great video .. cut down on the advertisement. 🙏

  • @JuddOakes
    @JuddOakes 12 годин тому

    Id rather pay for upgrade that actually profiled with this footprint. Iget 8 fx blocks are geeat but it still will not prodile. I get that is cheaper for them to do software updates therefore msximize the length of existing hardware usage.

  • @guitartoneSA
    @guitartoneSA 17 годин тому

    Seriously!
    Guitarists shouldn't make reaction videos for 48 hours...give yourself time to relax and think about it.
    But unfortunately UA-cam influencers have to react immediately.
    You only really need level 2 at 179 Euros....that's the first set of one gig.
    You get all the Stage FX, the Drives and the Fuzz system, and Morphing.
    Dual 1/2 and 3/4 foot switching was added for free in the update.

  • @AbcDino843
    @AbcDino843 18 годин тому

    This is how companies go into extinction. I've been saying for years that Kemper as a company absolutely sucks. I loved the original product, but instead of innovating and keeping up with the market, they decided to just milk it for everything they can. They could have released the player unit YEARS ago, but they wanted those high profit margins. Now this. Every move they make seems to be anti-consumer in nature. Soon enough they will be stomped out of existence by the competition, pun intended. I've owned all of the modelers over the years, and if I was to own another one again, it would probably be one of the Axe-Fx.

  • @DragonBiscuit
    @DragonBiscuit 16 годин тому

    Screw Kemper. Every company is pulling this crap. The number of subscriptions and recurring charges the average person deals with now is a serious issue. It really adds up. Everyone should do themselves a favor and spend a couple hours identifying every single subscription/recurring charge. I just saved myself over $600 annually by cancelling stuff I don't even need...

  • @mickgodwin5023
    @mickgodwin5023 20 годин тому

    Another perspective to maybe see it from, is someone who paid full price for a Stage or toaster... If Kemper just handed over the full package for free, most of the stage/toaster owners would feel robbed and pretty hacked off ... this way, the player can be upgraded to "almost" equal, while still being a cheaper option. Some prefer the smaller footprint and don't need the extra foot switches, so they have the option to get everything they need for less.
    As for upgrading two with one upgrade, I can't see that happening... otherwise you'd just drop round to a friends house who's paid for the upgrade, hook up and give the friend a donation for turbocharging yours...
    And I'm no shill btw, I'm actually pretty pissed that after all the time I've been waiting for the Windows Asio driver, for me, it installs but won't load. Keeps telling me to check that my device is connected to my my computer, where it's been connected and working for over 9 months.... Helix didn't sound as good, but at least when they release stuff it does work! 🤬

  • @wildebtw
    @wildebtw 17 годин тому

    I looked at Kemper as an option before I got my Helix. The big turnoff was Kemper saying they were not for Bass. Helix does both. Probably won't ever change to another manufacturer. Line 6 stays on top of support and updates.

  • @Jason-Taylor
    @Jason-Taylor 16 годин тому

    So even after upgrading to Level 3, you still have just a player that can’t profile. You need to then purchase or find quality profiles online and can’t make your own profiles unless you also already own a Toaster or a Stage at which point, who cares about the Player.

  • @markinthemix6055
    @markinthemix6055 18 годин тому

    I don’t think l like this … well, you’ve never really been a Kemper person. You thought this would be a HX stomp. That doesn’t profile either. As a business owner, if you want good stuff someone has to pay for it. You’re extremely late to the Kemper game but Kemper has made an unbelievable job updating and updating and yes you got it updating for FREE. So what I’m hearing ya say is this super small at the end of your pedalboard chain unit is as powerful as the bigger units. They just didn’t add some features they added ALL the features.

  • @thiagoalexandrino
    @thiagoalexandrino 21 годину тому

    Yes, it’s expensive, but I understand them. Besides profiling, you don’t need the flagship anymore. I don’t care about profiling. My goal is to portability and today, in this weigh category, it’s the most powerful unit around.

  • @AEP2x
    @AEP2x 18 годин тому

    I think it's horrible value proposition compared to other things. It still can't profile at 1000.00 Dallas and I'm sure another fire update at 300.00 is coming to do that. The UI is it great, it's the oldest of this kind of technology, it's it as accurate as the others, and yet they want more money than others.

  • @scottakam
    @scottakam 20 годин тому

    Hopefully people don't buy it so it doesn't spread to other manufacturers. I think Kemper is similar to Apple though. They know their customers will buy anything they put in their face.

  • @billylindsay5712
    @billylindsay5712 15 годин тому

    Thankfully I never got on the player bandwagon, this is just a money grab on an aging platform. I no longer have any Kemper products.

  • @dran1015
    @dran1015 18 годин тому

    The Player was supposed to be a pedal platform unit and now they are offering upgrades to make it an all in one unit if you want which is still $600 cheaper than the Stage with all the same features. Kemper has the same hardware as its initial release and has always given free updates. This seems like a non issue to me as a Stage owner who has a Player as a back up.

  • @RobbieDiMaccini
    @RobbieDiMaccini 20 годин тому

    Apple is worth more than Kemper Amps and Apple has the largest number of users, using their devices for a reason, it is Apple, now but Kemper. ?? bad, very bad decision

  • @AnthonyBullock1968
    @AnthonyBullock1968 21 годину тому

    This kind of practice has been rife in the automotive where cars are delivered with features but they're inactive unless you pay for them. Our a subscription (BMW heated seats !1!!! ). But if the player and upgrades is the same as a used head/rack/stage - and it doesn't profile ?....... Nope. Maybe profiling in Rig Manager will be the next upgrade.

  • @MRxr400
    @MRxr400 19 годин тому

    Maybe with all that's on the market, they're not doing so well and are trying to survive by charging the users. Not the way to survive at all. sounds like some pretty P'd off customers, or potential in the comments below.

  • @markinthemix6055
    @markinthemix6055 18 годин тому

    I’ll probably do it because l want to make content because l want you to watch and l can make a little money. 😂 the Kemper staff deserve their pay as well. Keep the Kemper goodness coming

  • @Banoffeeee
    @Banoffeeee 13 годин тому

    made a stupid choice kemper...u think ur apple? thanks for making me quit trying to get anything from kemper

  • @stevengridley5869
    @stevengridley5869 11 годин тому

    Yeaaahh if other brands follow suit then I'll probably just figure out another solution for live use.

  • @otfan522botjournalismisdea2
    @otfan522botjournalismisdea2 22 години тому

    I was seriously considering buying a player. Very glad I waited. If I wanted into the kemper ecosystem now I would look at a used stage

  • @danielferrera8773
    @danielferrera8773 17 годин тому

    It's like they have chosen to bury the Kemper Player prematurely just for the sake of the bigger brothers?

  • @ThePlanarchist
    @ThePlanarchist 22 години тому

    Yes, if you know you can massively upgrade the hardware at a later date when you buy it it's fine but this is dodgy....

  • @ericvandruten
    @ericvandruten 20 годин тому

    "getting suckered into it" - You said it right, and you don't look happy about it, for the entire 10:28 minutes.

  • @Darkurge666
    @Darkurge666 21 годину тому

    I'll wait for black Friday and hope for a discount. I'd pay 150 eur for both but not 300.

  • @johngee4306
    @johngee4306 7 годин тому

    Helix for me. I just couldn’t decide but I have now.

  • @markbteeps
    @markbteeps 20 годин тому

    Meanwhile I just bought an Egnator 30w combo and an extension can for £250.

  • @rejuvenator8966
    @rejuvenator8966 20 годин тому

    As if the Kemper isn't dead enough already 🤣 They just wanna put that nail in the coffin

  • @scottbronder
    @scottbronder 21 годину тому

    in the words of Louis Rossman.. YOU OWN NOTHING! Pay To Play! Thanks Steve

  • @Dan-of-NJ
    @Dan-of-NJ 16 годин тому

    Greedy and dishonorable. Glad I didn't get one. And the darn thing doesn't even have a screen.

  • @dividedbytimestudios
    @dividedbytimestudios 21 годину тому

    What if they sell these upgrades, then decide now they’re free, do you get your money back?

  • @peterjessop1878
    @peterjessop1878 21 годину тому

    I can’t believe there is no parallel path in the basic player. Honestly that is crap.

  • @Darkurge666
    @Darkurge666 21 годину тому

    I wish I could by a little lcd screen to tell me which amp I'm running. 😂

  • @davidgrogan1
    @davidgrogan1 16 годин тому

    Helix is better IMO. I had one and I didn’t like the interface.

  • @ericajohnson7535
    @ericajohnson7535 22 години тому

    this is crap! like the cars where you need to pay for the heated seats to work

  • @ericajohnson7535
    @ericajohnson7535 22 години тому +1

    Line 6 had something similar I believe--you get the "metal pack" or something?

    • @WyldestZakk1980
      @WyldestZakk1980 22 години тому

      Yes

    • @SteveSterlacci
      @SteveSterlacci  21 годину тому

      Not in the recent HX line...

    • @jaycareaga9929
      @jaycareaga9929 18 годин тому

      Those were plugins not Helix upgrades.

    • @martiboucat
      @martiboucat 5 годин тому

      @@SteveSterlacciJohn Cordy talks about those pod hd packs in his video

  • @professionalprocrastinator8182
    @professionalprocrastinator8182 16 годин тому

    Isn’t this a bit like the Eventide H9 approach?

  • @alanale
    @alanale 20 годин тому

    A friendly reminder that you dont own any digital stuff.

  • @deansden9289
    @deansden9289 13 годин тому

    I was going to buy a Kemper. But now, not a chance.