FIRST TIME REACTING TO Stromae - Fils de joie (Official Music Video) *in depth review*
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- hi!! This is my first reacting to “Fils de joie” by Stromae. I did a really deep dive into the message behind the song and I also included my reaction to his explanation video! please leave your thoughts and your favorite artists/genres in the comments♡♡
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I think that you see things that aren't in the lyrics. There's nothing in this song about double standards for women or socio economic issues. It's not about feminism or social justice in general. Not even about having a hard time raising a child when you're poor. It's specifically about the perception and/or exploitation of sex workers and the hypocrisy around them with the counterpoint of the sex worker's loving son humanizing them. And I think that it's important to point this out, because by interpreting it in this general way, tying it to other issues that might concern you personally, you're sort of hijacking this message, "stealing" it from those it's dedicated to. A bit like if someone was talking about her difficulties as a sex worker, you'd interrupt her to say "Of course, I'm a woman and we women have issues, double standard and such", making it all about women in general, including you, and redirecting the conversation towards something you're interested in instead of listening to her.
I would first like to say that I respect your opinion and you are fully entitled to your take on the song. I will also say that I do not appreciate it when you put words into my mouth without even knowing me. I hope you understand. If you are open to reading the following in-depth explanation, I am extremely grateful and please feel free to respond.
Let's look at these lyrics.
"Maybe this time around we can do it with me insulting her
Yеah everything can be bargainеd for in this life, if you got the money
And after all I’m probably her best customer"
This is the voice of the sex worker's customer. He states that he wants to insult her while they have sex. His justification behind wanting to fulfill this desire is that he pays for her and is probably her best customer. This is an example of how money, and thus, socio-economic status affects the treatment of a person. The person with more money feels entitled over the person who they employ/the person who has less money. That is the general interpretation of these lyrics. So then, how is this phenomenon related more specifically to sex work? We agree that the man and the woman are committing the same action, right? They are both having sex outside of marriage and have multiple sex partners. The only difference is that one has money and the other does not. So, the customer's bad perception of the sex worker is rooted in the fact that she doesn't have as much money as him. This is why I bring up socio-economic status as one of the primary issues that Stromae discusses within "Fils de Joie."
Let's look at another example within the lyrics that is related to socio-economic status.
"Why does everyone hate me?
I’m the one feeding them
Their lives would be way more mediocre
Without me, their lives would be shitty
A place to sleep safely
That has a price, Missy
Well duh, in this life, everything comes at a price
Nobody ever told you?"
This is the voice of the pimp. He lists two main things that he does for his sex workers: feeding them and giving them a place to sleep. However, receiving these basic human necessities come at a price: selling your body. Because sex work is literally selling your body, this "price" that the pimp mentions is his way of claiming the rights to sell other people's bodies because he gives them basic human necessities in return. Obviously, this does not seem like a fair trade. Hence Stromae's satirical line "Why does everybody hate me?" So why does the pimp have this power to control the bodies of sex workers? The answer? He has more money/he has a higher socio-economic status. Because he has more money, he can exploit the sex workers and keep them in a subordinate economic position in comparison to him by regulating the money they receive.
Okay, hopefully my examples and explanations answers your question as to why I brought up socio-economic status. This also explains why I respectfully disagree with your opinion that Stromae does not bring up socio-economic issues within "Fils de Joie."
I will make additional replys to address the rest of your questions/opinions.
Next, let's address my mention of double standards placed upon women.
As a preface, I completely agree with you that Stromae makes no explicit references to gender-specific issues within the lyrics. However, I respectfully disagree with you because I do believe that double standards placed upon women and gender-specific issues are relevant to "Fils de Joie." Now, I will explain my reasoning in-depth.
Let's look at this line:
"Ladies-or should I say: hookers!"
This is the pimp directing a derogatory term towards the sex workers. Let's start by asking: what are the connotations of the word "hooker"? A "hooker" implies that the person is attracting others on purpose and is responsible for any sexual encounters that occur after they "hook" their "victims." I believe that Stromae purposefully used the word "hooker" where the pimp is speaking because it demonstrates a double standard placed upon women: that women are "asking for it" when it comes to sex but men are innocent. This point is even more arguable because "hooker" is rarely used to describe men. In this lyric, the pimp takes no responsibility for hooking in customers even though that is literally his job. So why can the pimp maintain this hypocritical mindset? In my opinion, his hypocrisy results from a double standard that places the blame of sex upon women while also allowing phrases like "big pimpin'" to have positive connotations for men. Essentially, when men's lives revolve around sex, it's a good thing. But when women lives revolve around sex, they are whores and hookers = bad thing. I think that Stromae wanted to show this hypocrisy within "Fils de Joie" because it is a real issue when looking at prostitution and other sex-related industries. Oftentimes, the women are dehumanized and mistreated while the men maintain their raised status.
Stromae also mentions in his explanation of "Fils de Joie" that the "john" bragged to the sex worker's son about, essentially, f-ing his mom. This is a perfect example of this double standard. Once again, we can agree that the "john" and the sex worker committed the same acts: having sex outside of marriage etc. However, the sex worker feels shame in her actions and does not brag about it to her son while the "john" feels pride and confidence in his actions.
With all of this in mind, let's look at these lyrics:
"They dehumanize you
It’s easier for them
But they also court you
And everybody looks the other way"
Once again, these lyrics demonstrate the hypocrisy and double-standard placed upon women. Let's break it down ➝ "They" means "johns" and "you" means sex worker. So these lyrics can be reworded as "It is easy for johns to dehumanize a sex worker." Why? Why is it easy for johns to dehumanize a sex worker? Let's list the general reasons: sex workers do something that is outside the norm, they sell their bodies, they are at a lower socio-economic status then the johns, and they commit illegal acts. Okay, with that established, let's rephrase the second section. "Johns also court you and everybody looks the other way." This use of the word "also" implies that the johns commit acts similar to the sex workers. Let's list them: johns do something that is outside the social norm, they buy (and use) human bodies, they commit illegal acts. So, why does "everybody look the other way" when the johns and the sex workers are doing similar things? In my opinion, it is because of the double standard that is placed upon women which I discussed in the previous example. To reiterate: women/sex workers should feel shame in their sexually-related actions while men/johns feel pride or live comfortably when it comes to their sexually-related actions.
I am aware that the double standard I reference is a *general one* but it relates *specifically* to sex work and the lyrics of the song which is why I mention it. Hopefully my explanations clarify why I brought up this women's issue.
Mentioning a women's issue should not diminish the message of "Fils de Joie" and it is certainly not my way of "hijacking" the song for myself. Actually, my intention behind mentioning women's issues was to bring awareness to the struggles experienced by sex workers. The majority of sex workers are women, in fact. By providing this social analysis, I believe that it will generate awareness that benefits the very people Stromae is honoring with this song. It makes people who watch my reaction check their own perceptions and stigmas that could contribute to the dehumanization of sex workers. So, I respectfully disagree that mentioning women's issues in relation to this song is a bad thing.
Okay, so I'm going to discuss your next points briefly just because I feel like they were either partially explained in my other replies or they confused me.
1. Feminism: I'm genuinely confused about this because I'm pretty sure that I never mentioned feminism. If you would like to elaborate, please feel free to ask me about any point of the video with time stamps.
2. Social justice: I'm also a bit confused about this one. I don't think I ever mentioned anything drastic as far as social changes go. I simply said stuff along the lines of "don't judge a book by it's cover" and don't judge a person based on their job. Maybe you meant to say "social issues" rather than "social justice." Just for clarification: Social justice is justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society. Social justice changes the structure of society usually by legislature. If you did mean "social issues," I think my explanations of this are encapsulated well enough in my previous two replies. If you would like me to elaborate, feel free to let me know.
3. I agree with you that the song is about perceptions, exploitation, hypocrisy, and humanizing sex workers. I do not see how a deeper dive into these topics diminishes the message of this song or "steals it" from sex workers. See the last paragraph of my second post for further elaboration.
4. As I stated in my first reply, I did not appreciate it when you made assumptions about me. I hope you will not do so again. Thank you.
Finally, I would like to take a moment to thank you for questioning this video. This is exactly the type of comments I like to see on my channel because it gives me an opportunity to check my own opinions and really flesh out my thoughts. My reactions encapsulate the first time I hear a song, read the lyrics, and see the music video so I am often wrong or only half-right about my interpretations of the song's message. However, comments like yours allow me to engage with the song again and re-examine it. Thank you again. Sending love from California💓💓💓
@@glitrcamille Thank you for taking the time to word all of your ideas and the meanings you found in that song. I understood it in a similar way as you did but wouldn't have had the energy to develop the arguments the way you did.
To clarify why the women carrying the coffin dress so differently. Usually, the closest people to the deceased carry the coffin to be buried. In this case, it seems that no one else was close to the sex worker, other than her fellow sex workers.
Also, beautiful contrast between the military clothing and those women.
Stromae= the genius of a modern Mozart !!!
Hi! Actually the second group of verses is about a pimp who tries to defend himself and his business ("Security and a bed have a price, missy", or "They accuse me of Human trafficking", "It's better they don't take themselves to seriously as models". The third group of verses is about a cop mocking the sex worker.
Great review! And just as info, the video is shot in Park Du Cinquantenaire in Brussels, Belgium (where he lives and he's from". Pretty cool sight
Wowwww you're so smart🤩 Thanks for your explanation! I really appreciate it. It's very clever of Stromae to present all of these different perspectives/characters within one song. The location of the music video is also stellar. 💓💓
First verse is from a priest perspective second is the pimp perspective and third is a cop perspective. The chorus is the son
@@andersonrodriguez9054 lol
Non actually the first is from the sex worker And the customer
apart from that your right
Sorry for the mistake English is not my original language 😅
The percussion/beat part is actually not trap, it's a pattern used in brazilian/baile funk, it's urban music from Brazil!
thanks for letting me know!! I really appreciate it 🥰💓💓
thought it was kind of an afro trap
@@noahpolimon same! that's also what I thought initially but I'm glad Stromae clarified the genre in his explanation video💓🥰
Stromae is one of those beautiful musicians who makes you glad you started learning another language. What a genius.
so true!💓
Paul Van Haver, known as Stromae, is a Belgian singer-songwriter and producer, born March 12, 1985 in Etterbeek. He became known in 2010 with the song So we dance from the album Cheese. At the same time, he created his own label Mosaert, in order to ensure the production of this first album.
The clip was filmed in Brussels at the Arcades du Cinquentenaire in Brussels
Its a tribute to sexworkers. First he sings from the point of view of a client, then a pimp and last a police. In the chorus he sings from the point of view of a son of a sexworker.
ive watched like 10 or so of these reaction videos and you're the only one going in depth with the arrangement the instruments and the meaning of the song! great job :)
thank you so much for the compliment! I appreciate it💓💓🥰
C'est toujours un plaisir,de l'écouter en boucle!
Loved your reaction! Keep it up
I know it's been a year ^^ but In the chorus he indeed act like the son of the sex worker, and in the verses he plays first a customer, then the pimp, and finally a cop. I love your reacts and the fact you analyse deeply the music.
“Old and new style and putting together into one beat” is a pretty accurate statement to describe Stromaes music. It’s a cocktail of many sounds discovered during his travels, he takes from everything and sounds so familiar yet so unique. It’s perfect because literally nobody else does it much less produce such art
In this INTERNATIONAL WOMENS MONTH, This was a very big & different production for a music video & the cause was worth it women are viewed as objects, properties, with owners so I admired his cause I am looking for the instrumental right now that song can be infused in so many genres to boost& re--create music I luv it thanks.
When is mens month tho?
@@fantasma8253 never that's every single day with no thanks 2 get in return
@@barrywilliams8289 really? So we celebrate everyday and feel special and entitled to everything? Come on don’t be that guy, clearly this international womens month is another one of their demands for preferential treatment while talking about equality at the same time, it’s pure hypocrisy and is why I said you feel ENTITLED
hmmmmm
@@fantasma8253 November
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I think you should review Stromae's album MULTITUDE track by track. The idea behind this album is genuine 🙌🏿 i think you will have a lot of fun by doing it
this is not a trap beat! the name of this genre of instrumental/music is *Funk Brazilian* from South America. y'll need to investigate more. im talking from Mozambique 🇲🇿 in Africa 🌍
Thanks for letting me know, I'm really glad I watched Stromae's explanation video. It was my first time ever hearing of Baile Funk so I apologize that I didn't know what it was. Thank you🥰💓
Great reaction 👍🏿
This girl is so pretty
cool!!!
Impossível ficar parada com o som do baile funk brasileiro !!! 😍😍😍😍
In the description of he’s music video he has put the link of the video where he explains he’s MV and song
Thank you! You might be interested on Stromae’s L’Enfer from Multitude
Thank you, your video/songs analyzes are always very interesting to watch
thank you for the compliment and the recommendation!💓💓💓
for me this is the begs album o ever come out in 2022 I love Stromae
What ur hear at the beginning is call clavecin i love the sound of it , back in then during Marie Antoinette time 1700 / 1800 they used a lot of clavecin. He plays many roles in it , the son , the client , the politician ...
thanks for the information! I really appreciate it. I recently made a video on my channel discussing the different characters Stromae impersonates and how I interpret the meaning of the song. I also love how he included classical instruments within the song. It makes it very unique💓💓
Thank you Camille for helping us identify the instruments used in this video. His name is pronounced "Stro My" french pig latin (Verlan) for "Maestro,`" which he truly is.
I dont understand anything but the song is catchy and your reaction is ️🔥️🔥️🔥
0:05 you actually said that soooo right! 👌
There are a lot of reactions videos. But yours are pretty good 👍 keep it up.
Stromae's video was a masterpiece 👏 the choreography, the weather, the costumes, the stunts.... everything was in sync with the text (fils de joie)
You can't fit this into a genre, because it combines so many genres so elegantly. It's not just a harpsichord that's used, but the music is very neo-baroque, with correct counterpoint and all. After this you suddenly hear Brazillian Funk
Yeah, I would say the genre is "Sromae"
@@louern123 Same, and that's why he's so good
Ye dja - Serge beynaud ( if you like this then also react to the ones below)
Haut - Serge beynaud
Kota na koto - Serge beynaud
Gbesse - ovie kan
Dosabado - Dj Arafat
Pianoforte has already been used in a song like Jamiroquai for "King for a day" ua-cam.com/video/w4AQbsCz1AY/v-deo.html
Interview about the song "Fils de joie" , Stromae - Fils de joie (Multitude ı Track by Track) : ua-cam.com/video/cgL1YXw4ENI/v-deo.html
He explain what talk about his song (there are subtitles in english) about the vision of the Client / Pimp / Police & Child of the sex worker.
I think Bad Romance by Gaga in the bad romance beginning uses the harps accord
Thanks for knowing the instrument at the beginning is a harspichord and not a guitar like other reactions I saw.
haha🤣 thank you for the compliment💓💓
If you want to listen to more Classical Melodies with a Brazilian Funk beat you can listen/react to MC Fioti Bum Bum Tam Tam. I won’t guarantee deep lyrics haha, but the mix between those styles and the melody is great! It was a famous one in Brazil and it also reached other countries
thank you so much for sharing this song recommendation with me. I never heard of brazillian funk before watching this music video so I'm really excited to check out a new genre! 🔥🔥💓💓
The beat is actually more like a Brazilian funk than trap btw
idk if this will be my first and last comment here so it will prob be a long one (sorry u u)
i remember watching this reaction a while ago and wanting to comment because it was my fav from the ones i saw about Stromae (i liked all of your reactions to songs from Multitude really), but never did. last night i came across this video again and i'm finally leaving a comment now before i forget again hehe
i gotta be honest and have to say sorry first, because i remember watching a lot of reactions to Stromae's new songs (because i had recently heard the whole album at that time) and they were all pretty meh, and found yours and thought you were gonna be another like over-the-top reactor with no opinion on the track (which is what i'm interested in, like Stromae makes pretty deep music and great MVs), but you gladly surprised me. it was my bad for judging you prematurely...
i watch a lot of reaction channels for movies and whatnot, but whenever i watch music videos reactions they usually left me disappointed. most times they're very fake and rarely insightful (even when the clickbaity title says smt like "vocal coach reacts" xd), but yours wasn't. on the contrary, i liked your reaction and specially your analysis a lot. it seems that you're a pretty chill person and that you know what you're talking about (like, in the beginning immediately recognizing the harpsichord and the strings being a cello, to give one example of many), so i guess i just wanted to say that i really really liked this
also, sorry if i made mistakes, i'm not a native english speaker, but i think the comment is not too difficult to understand??
Hi, I think that the arch in the back is inspired by the Arch of Reunification in North Korea. I think that he wanted to put in the song an element of a totalitarian regime in order to make it even more alienating.
From what I read, the arch is actually a real monument in Belgium. But yes, he uses it to evoke something different. Or maybe rather something more general, mixing elements evocative of a dictatorial regime and elements evocative of democracies. The woman talking at the beginning makes me think of Burmese Aung San Suu Kyi, while others look like an old style south-American dictator, a middle-eastern president, etc...
Dope reaction🔥🔥🔥🔥, can you please react to Costa tich- big flexa🙏🙏🙏
There's an error in the translation "prostituee disparue" doesn't translate to "missing sex worker", but "dead sex worker". Great video and reaction. I do think you would need to watch it again to readjust some of the comments (understandable you would be confused because there's a lot going on; I was confused too and I speak French). In any case, Stromae does it again by getting everyone to talk about a subject that is seldomly mentioned. And he does it in style.
Thank you so much for translating and for being understanding! I've been a fan of Stromae for quite awhile so if there's one thing I've learned, it's that his songs always have such deep meanings. You're totally right because I knew I wasn't fully grasping the meaning on the first listen🤣🥰 Actually, reading comments like yours helped me film a new video about "Fils de joie" where I really break down and analyze the song ua-cam.com/video/GkB7ktfSLFg/v-deo.html
The new video is my current view of "Fils de joie" but I obviously want to learn more and hear differing opinions about the meaning/message of the song.
Are you a musician yourself? You seem very in tuned with details sonically
I am a Violist (violas are underrated🤣😭) but, in all honesty, most of my musical knowledge comes from my lifetime obsession with music and years of researching/listening to music. 💓
gorillaz has a song with harpsichord, its called sleeping powder
Could you react to LA FEVE - MAUVAIS PAYEUR ? Great video btw, keep it going;)
thanks for the recommendation and the compliment!💓
can you review papaoutai clip please?
🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪🇧🇪 mad in belguim
He is not stromai. He is stroma-e Maestro. Stromae
It is Stromai. He said this in a recent interview.
He said we can pronounce his name the way we want 🤷♂️.
In Bruxelles, they say mystro, so Stromy.
In France they say ma-e-stro, so Stroma-e. In the States : Stromey, in the Netherlands : StRRomae, in Abidjan : Stromy-e...
When you cross borders, it's inevitable 🤷♂️...
React - boa esperança-emicida
thank you for the recommendation💓
It is pronounced "Fee de juu-aah"
Great french pronunciation!!
Clavecin in French.
Please start doing more reaction to DIAMOND PLATNUMZ songs!!! In order for you to attract more subscribers
Maybe it maybe you don’t speak French or really understand Belgique French cause respectfully most of the main point flew pass. The way French songs are interpreted are in total contrast to how we French interpret it. But again, it’s your video reaction and at least you are the few English react channels that are at least try to understand the point of the video.
(My French not so good, apologies )
First perspective was from a rich political personnel who likes to have sex with her but then justifies it with”as long as you have money, you can buy anything and it’s ok to be misbehave once a while. ”
The second perspective was the Pimp(I think it’s what’s called in English). He is saying everyone is judging him to be a bad guy but they all also patronize them. And he is the one paying for all their need and wants.
The third and last perspective was the police officer’s perspective. He was saying they both serve the people but at least he pays tax while she don’t. He says a line which I think you never caught but again even I didn’t catch that the first time had to go back and listen. He says come and take back your id(identity card)🪪 and what ever dignity is left of you. In French it’s like a play on words.
Chorus was he’s perspective, he was talking about how they should all leave he’s mom alone to rest, that he will always speak about he’s mom with pride and she’s her as a hero.He says most importantly that’s they dehumanize her while at the same time try to court her, while the rest of society looks the other way.
Now while I do agree with you on the double standard in society towards sex walkers that was not at all what the video was about respectfully.
I have to say that the culture of French and Belgium is totally different from that of England and the United state. That’s why I see a lot of French Belgique individual are trying to point that out in the comments. There is double standard in every society but in France and Belgium is way way way lower than that of England and the United States. And I think, by making it the point of your video you are missing the point spending time talking about something else than what stromae was trying to point out. But you are not the only one tho. Even when he was doing one interview regarding this song on one tv channel he pointed that out.
Lastly I’m not trying to be disrespectful in any way shape or form and forgive my bad worded English. Thanks
I completely respect your interpretation of the song. I agree with your point that I completely missed the meaning of the song in my reaction. This video displays my first time ever seeing or hearing the song. I hope it is understandable that I didn't comprehend every detail about the song in my first time hearing it. For that reason, I uploaded a lengthy follow-up video where I provide my opinion about the message of the song. Here is the link ua-cam.com/video/GkB7ktfSLFg/v-deo.html if you would like to check it out (no pressure). Thank you for your comment and as you might see by my analysis video, I agree with many of your main points! 💗💗