I mean I don't personally disagree but there are people who specialize in luger history would most likely have more experience just because they're focused on 1 specific firearm
Back in 1989, I heard a fellow student ask the professor about some kind of conjecture. The professor blinked, hesitated, and responded "you know, I've never thought of it that way". The student quickly "never mind"ed out of it, because that professor was "the guy" in that subject, he had been there, done that, and you better believe he wrote the book about it. But he tried to put a student down gently, and/or was prepared to deal with the day when a student surpassed him. Self confidence is a good thing, but betting on no one ever catching you being wrong is going to hurt one day.
@@austin_bennett Also, while I also know its a joke, I remember that Ian has explicitly stated that he's not interested in engraved firearms. If he's missed anything, it would be platinum-plated lugers.
@@rd6781 "What's up guys, It's the Gun-Deuche here. Today we are going to strap one of Hermann Görings Lugers behind my Jeep and see if the safety will fail while being dragged. BUT before we do that, I have to shill out some generic man baby loot box. This loot box costs $50 a month and comes with stuff like this dull chinese flipper, a can of BRCC coffee and this moron labia patch. "
Im shocked Göring had these commissioned; I mean horrifically expensive, ostentatious items seems so uncharacteristic of such a restrained, modest man...
I would hate to see the price tag on something like that. Its the ultimate triangulation of: 'engraved gun overpricing', 'nazi association overpricing' and 'luger overpricing'
I mean if your rich as fuck and want , what at the time was a state of the art firearm in terms of operation, Fuck it why not, thats why so many of those Saudi and African Warlords have plated AK-47s and Desert Eagles or 1911's
Given the exclusivity probably more likely they got it off some either suicided Nazi leader or one that surrendered. Nazi leaders arent exactly known for their bravery.
i'm not from usa or uk, but i'm quite ok in english. i was telling myself i'm actually a 'english-portuguese translator', but... i've never heard of the word "cronyism" until right now. and that, my friends, is going to help me A LOT in explaining brazilian politics. thank you, Ian. thank you. this is a true serious history channel.
Göring, during his arrest and handing over his side arm. US Officer: "S&W revolver, interesting choice for a German Reichsmarshall". Göring: (Defensively) "Yeah, well I usually holster my platinum Luger"
That particular revolver is on display in the West Point Museum. I was surprised to discover that he was carrying that gun when he was captured. I would have expected something like the above Luger.
@@louvin44 I believe it's theorized he carried that either (or both) to win favor with his captors by carrying an American gun, and/or to keep his "good" guns safe from capture.
@@BaxterRoss He surrendered to the deputy commander of the 36th division, Brigadier General Robert Stack. In front of his staff officers as well as an MP detachment and photographers. Doing something like that wouldn't have gone over well with Stack's boss or Eisenhower.
I’m a little fuzzy on the subject, but I thought Patton’s disdain was for pearl grips, as he himself had ivory grips on his revolver. But I’m just going off of what I recall from the movie.
@keith moore MacArthur was a bit mental, Bomber Harris was vengeful (arguably rightfully so "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." and Mongtomery was sometimes over confident in his abilities, but Patton was by all accounts actually a genuine arsehole.
@@BFBCFTW Over confident? Montgomery used the colonial troops in his command as cannon fodder. It was his lone tactic. Send wave after wave of colonials at the enemy, until the enemy collapsed, then mop up with proper English soldiers. Very nearly court marshalled for this practice multiple times, but he had connections. At Normandy and in Market Garden he was denied massed colonial troops, and so was completely ineffective, having to be rescued in both instances.
As a German "Krieghoff" sounds like some name an American or British entertainment company made up recently to find a name for a villain or sth. to sound more martial :) Sometimes reality beats fiction.
@@herpderp3131 It was a presentation piece, to be given as a gift, not for Göring's personal use. During WW2 his favoured sidearm was a S&W Military & Police revolver, in .38 Special. Well finished but plain.
August 15th 1939, The Wizard of Oz its official premiere at Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood. If that's not worth a platinum plated Luger nothing is!
@@johnanon6938 these guns have probably something to with that Neuhammer Stuka disaster. It was a display with a lot of Luftwaffe Generals also close to Göring. So maybe Göring had them made for handing them out on this occasion.
There is one possible link between the engraving theme and an intended purpose. The highest combat military honor in the German military was the Ritterkreuz, or Knights Cross. There were additions that could be added to the medal for subsequent awards, the basic one being the Eichenlaub, or Oakleaf Cluster. The use of the oakleaf as the main element in this Lugers embellishment might indicate an intention to award one these guns as a special recognition for valor to a carrier of the KnightsCross withOakleaves.
Oakleaves are just a thing on traditional German male clothing. Take a look at the traditional Bavarian "Lederhosen" or at traditional German hunting gear; there are oakleaves everywhere. Göring was very keen on hunting and was - amongst other titles - officially "Reichs hunting minister" (really !). Most of the "hunting laws" he invented are still active today in Germany. And as people mentioned, the man had a soft spot for "extravagant" dressing. If Göring had been Italian, you can imagine him being a Mafia boss.
The date perhaps says it all.15 August 1939 was the date of a major air disaster at Neuhammer in Germany. There was a demonstration of Stuka dive bombers that ended with a large number of aircraft crashed and 26 pilots killed. It happened in front of a large number of senior generals: Hugo Sperrle, Bruno Loerzer, Wolfram von Richthofen and more. It was held at the new headquarters of Von Rundstedt's Army Group South. I would strongly suspect that the weapons were intended to be presented to a number of senior general attending the event. But given what happened, they were either not presented or presented in a very quiet way and forgotten.
In Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Claire and Steve find a pair of gold-plated Lugers that are decorated exactly like Herman Goring's Luger, which Steve takes and uses for a short time. It's actually the first time that a Nazi official's gun has appeared in a video game.
Just because they're gold plated lugers doesn't make them the guns of nazi officials. Damascening Lugers was popular long before the Nazis came to power. To say "the first time that a Nazi official's gun has appeared in a video game", is a baseless claim, They're just damascened Lugers...
@@tisFrancesfault When I said "Nazi official's gun", I meant that particular Luger, not all Luger pistols as a whole. My claim isn't baseless and it is easily proved by the following fact: Tokyo Marui made limited airsoft models of Code Veronica's Gold Luger, and there are pictures of that online. When that Luger is compared to Hermann Goring's Krieghoff Heinrich Luger, the engravings of both guns are 99% identical. The setting of Rockfort Island in the game was intended to have a few references to Nazi Germany, and that includes the Gold Lugers as well as a Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger with its MG34 coaxial gun still in place.
@@ReonMagnum Urgh, I did something I tend to do, and sound way more confrontational that I intended. Baseless was wrong. The game ones look quite different in styling, the TM Repos are possibly/probably based on on this pistol, as a fairly famous example (grip pattern is fairly different), but they are different.. I guess my point was to contest that this pistol was depicted, Instead, a similar style one was used.
"We don't know if these pistols originally came in cases at all." Now I'm imagining Fatso Göring strolling into his local gun shop near the Schorfheide browsing the glass cases of guns and spotting one of these.
It's sad that Luger's designs are no longer a thing. I've only shot a few magazines through a Luger P.08, but every shot was a pleasure. It was the most accurate pistol, smoothest pistol I've ever shot. The sights were very easy to use, I was able to have a 4" grouping at 50 yards, and by no means do I consider myself to be a good shot. I credit that to this wonderful pistol.
I've shot one too, and I wouldn't put any of those superlatives on it. It's very good for its day, which means its unremarkable by modern standards. Like Jay Leno talking about a Duesenberg for being amazing in that it can handle California freeway traffic about as well as a 1998 Camry.
@@GunFunZS well you're right about that, but as the first pinned barrel pistol, without a shitty trigger, and good sights, was wonderful to shoot. I'm not a fan of Browning tilting Lock and slide handguns or pistols
@@Tyler-uc4ye from videos I've seen it's all updated with the best steel, hand crafted, this guy knows what he's doing. the war brought in so much junk metal across the board: everyone was in a hurry. lots of contaminated metals.
The date perhaps says it all.15 August 1939 was the date of a major air disaster at Neuhammer in Germany. There was a demonstration of Stuka dive bombers that ended with a large number of aircraft crashed and 26 pilots killed. It happened in front of a large number of senior generals: Hugo Sperrle, Bruno Loerzer, Wolfram von Richthofen and more. It was held at the new headquarters of Von Rundstedt's Army Group South. I would strongly suspect that the weapons were intended to be presented to a number of senior general attending the event. But given what happened, they were either not presented or presented in a very quiet way and forgotten.
So glad to see Ian going strong as ever. Killing it with the content! Found myself intrigued by the subject matter and lore. TLDR: Very professionally articulated, MyMan.
I wonder if the serial numbers were in fact party numbers of the person's they were presented to since they range so wildly and are above the actual production numbers. I know it's not very likely but it was the first thing I thought of
High 16,000s to low 17,000s isn't a particularly large range, and is suggestive of a continuation of the existing range if that got to the 13,000s. Perhaps they anticipated another batch of 3000-odd and started the presentation numbering after that.
Like a late medieval gold inlaid engraved wheellock. Intended for the highest ranks of the society, hundreds of man-hours spent on a single piece to make it gorgeous and never used in anger in their intended role. Its ironic that much work goes to such instruments of death and they never find a chance to get fired in the middle of a world war.
I'm glad we have left this idea of beautifying weapons in the past. Imagine it in a current age, US Presidents getting nukes gold and platinum plated, with philosophical mantras of freedom engraved onto the side and gemstones covering the rivets. It would be weird.
Damn, a video about my favourite pistol on my birthday. Thanks Ian, you're my source of gun knowledge of all the interesting guns and how they work. Have a nice day!
Ah I'm glad I found this video. Years ago I saw a very low quality picture of one of these, and it was captioned as "Göring's personal Lugar". Nothing more. I tried to find more info but I was unsuccessful, so it was always a mystery to me if these guns actually existed. Thanks for the video!
Weird thing is Saddam and Hitler both had tons of gaudy guns made that were just meant as gifts for lackeys and actually preferred to own stuff that more fit the overweight tactocool guy aesthetic. I think Saddam got captured having a ghetto AK fitted with a car priced ACOG knock off. Man ended up not only looking like a methed up Bubba he became one.
on the 15.8.1939 there was a airshow from the luftwaffe. on that day 26 people lost there life on that air show so maybe, it was made for the airshow as a gift for some pilots.
I visited a very rich gun collector who lives in a castle in Belgium. He gave me the hunting rifle of King Ludwig II of Bavaria (he built the famous fairy tale castle "Neuschwanstein"). The Barrel is made of Damascus steel. It's a beautiful gun, incredibly valuable.
Herman was an art lover, he loved nice things and he had the chance to get something made that he wanted and he took it. What a lovely Luger ! best one I ever saw !
I don’t think it was unheard of for arms makers to gift “presentation weapon” of extremely high quality to generals and politicians in WW11 Germany (and probably the practice continues worldwide today.)
Luger is my favourite pistol even as a kid I loved them. I had a cap gun Luger when I was about 8. Later on I got a 1939 Luger in mint condition 20 years later. This one is the holy grail for me.
I can’t believe you were able to obtain this piece and show us. I don’t know why I’m so shocked because you have a stout reputation when it comes to acquiring rare and absolutely gorgeous pieces. But wow! This piece is absolutely stunning, I would give a arm and leg just for a replica piece made by a company with even silver plated and some material to look ivory and isn’t . Just because the beauty of it. Just to have in a case and behind glass somewhere in my house to show to only real fans of history to admire. Man, idk why but I fell in love with the artillery Luger and have always dreamed of this one along with the gold plated one as like my “Dream Gun” to have. Absolutely stunning and remarkable pistols. Amazing! Thanks for sharing really!
I saw one of those Lugers in the early 1980s, at Deniliquin NSW Australia, in a collection of 9 Lugers owned by a farmer (wealthy farmer). I hate to think what happened to it and them when he died, probably surrendered in a gun amnesty and melted down.
There's no good or bad in war, only sides Choose your brainwashing propaganda, put on the uniform and go for a nice walk in no man's land while your commander enjoys a whisky from the safety of his bunker
Thanks Ian. These pistols are possibly meant for the families of the thirteen pilots who died during a demonstration of Junkers, Stuka dive bombers, that occurred on 15th August 1939 for the high command in Silesia (in what is today Poland,) Germany. Hope that helps!
Because of his extraordinary clothing-style, Hermann Göring had the german nickname "Lametta-Heini" (english: tinsel-jerk or lametta-idiot). He ran arround like an decorated chrismasstree and some germans told jokes about him. Greetings from Germany, Berchtesgaden
« Good news, there's a book out there. Bad news, it's really expensive and you can't get one » Sums up pretty well what happens with computer stuff nowadays... 😂
Göring liked to boast, and on 9 August 1939, Göring said, "The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Meier!"
I'm not surprised that Admiral (not General) Doenitz never received such a gift from Goering. The Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine weren't the best of buddies.
At 9:07 we se the lug for the shoulder stock just at Ian's thumb. A leftover from the original military production guns or might there have been stocks for these pistols? Not unthinkable for a presentation gun to have all the trimmings.
i swear when you said "it makes sense that Goring would've ordered these' wouldve been followed up with something like "because dude was a real piece of work"
Came here from the Gold Damascene presentation. Platinum makes sense in firearms - it's really dense, EXTREMELY heat resistant, and while still a somewhat soft metal, it's harder than gold. And still looks great, but admitteldly, I like gold on black.patterns. :)
If this is one of Göring`s Lugers then i have to admit that Göring did have some Taste i mean it`s Tacky af but it would be worse if the Gun would be gold plated
@@kanedakrsa No, I only gave my opinion on the optical part or in short: platinum plated is tacky af but ok gold plated is just tacky af and ugly to look at (at least that's what I think)
@@AAArnold Remember the house tour scene in "Wall Street" where M. Douglas points out to C. Sheen the gold plated luger encased on the wall?? "Gold Luger, never fired"???????
Doesn´t matter who they were made for. It´s all about the skill of the gunsmith/artist and what they created. So while i´m not a fan of the Luger design (it has some glaring weaknesses), this pistol is a piece of art and skill.
@toeff7852 Yet I write better than you, how weird huh? I love how Leftists pat themselves on the back when all they have done is regurgitate some lies they have been indoctrinated with.. Was my comment about the movement in any way incorrect or are you just off your medication?
Imagine getting in to a firefight with a german that was throwing gang signs, with his pants hanging around his ankles whilst holding his platinum coated Luger sideways.
“That’s unusual, at least in my experience”
As if anyone else has more experience.
I mean I don't personally disagree but there are people who specialize in luger history would most likely have more experience just because they're focused on 1 specific firearm
@@austin_bennett it’s a joke
Back in 1989, I heard a fellow student ask the professor about some kind of conjecture. The professor blinked, hesitated, and responded "you know, I've never thought of it that way". The student quickly "never mind"ed out of it, because that professor was "the guy" in that subject, he had been there, done that, and you better believe he wrote the book about it. But he tried to put a student down gently, and/or was prepared to deal with the day when a student surpassed him. Self confidence is a good thing, but betting on no one ever catching you being wrong is going to hurt one day.
@@austin_bennett Also, while I also know its a joke, I remember that Ian has explicitly stated that he's not interested in engraved firearms. If he's missed anything, it would be platinum-plated lugers.
@@t4nkychannel921 Yeah, he's more into shooters than lookers. :)
When can we see a mud test?
Don't even joke, there will be obnoxious youtubers out there that would do it
@@rd6781 "What's up guys, It's the Gun-Deuche here. Today we are going to strap one of Hermann Görings Lugers behind my Jeep and see if the safety will fail while being dragged. BUT before we do that, I have to shill out some generic man baby loot box. This loot box costs $50 a month and comes with stuff like this dull chinese flipper, a can of BRCC coffee and this moron labia patch. "
@@Totemparadox hahahaha
I shuddered reading that.
@Evan Langston I get the sentiment but the pistol itself did nothing wrong...
if anything you should do this to his pens...
Im shocked Göring had these commissioned; I mean horrifically expensive, ostentatious items seems so uncharacteristic of such a restrained, modest man...
I guess you never truly know a man.
😂😂ffs
Ha! I see what ya did there. Good job. Almost had me. 🤣
@asdrubale bisanzio yes, he really tried to protect all those sto, I mean art works he took into his personal protection, what a guy!
Few know this but Goering actually wore a corset to hide his dump truck ass's true power level.
Göring really did put the "Supreme" in "Supreme Commander of the Luftwaffe" with this piece.
I would hate to see the price tag on something like that.
Its the ultimate triangulation of: 'engraved gun overpricing', 'nazi association overpricing' and 'luger overpricing'
Lol. Bring it to Rock Island and put a rediculous reserve price on it. See what happens
@@willcaputo1 I bet that if you put a $1mil reserve on it, it'd sell.
@@ScottKenny1978 iirc, a .45 Luger already sold for a million. Better make it 2-3 Mil.
@@willcaputo1 those were honestly *very* rare, though. Assuming that we're talking about one of the US Army trials guns.
@@willcaputo1 was that the rare Luger with the attached flashlight, for officers in Hitler's bunker?
They weren't lying. Goring really was a gamer
Based
More a chancer.
I mean if your rich as fuck and want , what at the time was a state of the art firearm in terms of operation, Fuck it why not, thats why so many of those Saudi and African Warlords have plated AK-47s and Desert Eagles or 1911's
@ As long as their not sold to Blood Diamond Warlords or Middle eastern Oil Princes , Im right there with you.
I wanna be a gamer too. Perhaps I should take my my Deagle or whatever and slap a Razor sticker on it, and sprinkle on some Gfuel dust too
Watch out that’s means he’s got gold on all the other pistols
Underrated comment
@@kwilo wdym it’s the top comment
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Platinum is more expensive, or at least rarer. Gold's shockingly common for the prices it fetches.
@@lovecraftcat it’s a call of duty reference
The soldier who killed the original owner straight up got his legendary loot
Yeah and everyone else in his platoon complained for weeks about the horrible drop rate.
@@nervsouly I'd be jealous too if my homies got the exotic luger and I get nothing but a junk ass Radium Rifle or last ditch bolt gun. SMH
Given the exclusivity probably more likely they got it off some either suicided Nazi leader or one that surrendered. Nazi leaders arent exactly known for their bravery.
Loot box earned. Unlock?
@@ArchonCommandoYep, Göring killed himself.
When you want to own a Gucci glock but they don’t exist yet
Gucci and glocks are only "Premium" to peasants lmao
Gluger (Gucci Luger)
i'm not from usa or uk, but i'm quite ok in english. i was telling myself i'm actually a 'english-portuguese translator', but... i've never heard of the word "cronyism" until right now. and that, my friends, is going to help me A LOT in explaining brazilian politics. thank you, Ian. thank you. this is a true serious history channel.
Cronyism between the political leaders and the corporations is absolutely central to fascism.
crony is a friend, with a hint of illegallity, so, a bad man taking care of his bad friends... make sense?
"that, my friends, is going to help me A LOT in explaining brazilian politics" lol
@@zackp8201 works well to explain the political elite here in the US of A and corporate amerika as well.
@@SvenElven it's not exclusive to fascism, it's pretty common throughout history. :)
Göring, during his arrest and handing over his side arm.
US Officer: "S&W revolver, interesting choice for a German Reichsmarshall".
Göring:
(Defensively) "Yeah, well I usually holster my platinum Luger"
That particular revolver is on display in the West Point Museum. I was surprised to discover that he was carrying that gun when he was captured. I would have expected something like the above Luger.
@@louvin44 I believe it's theorized he carried that either (or both) to win favor with his captors by carrying an American gun, and/or to keep his "good" guns safe from capture.
OR the American soldier pocketed his platinum Luger and turned in his own revolver......... 🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@BaxterRoss that... sounds very probable
@@BaxterRoss He surrendered to the deputy commander of the 36th division, Brigadier General Robert Stack. In front of his staff officers as well as an MP detachment and photographers. Doing something like that wouldn't have gone over well with Stack's boss or Eisenhower.
"Good news, there is a book. Bad news, you can't get it.", best quote of the day.
That should be on the cover of Ian's book.
@@shesawitch3581 I wonder, if it's a good title for my dissertation about the commerce of books in the 15th c 🤣
It shows up on GunBroker occasionally.
I've heard this quote too many times in the last year, but instead of books, for GPUs.
Lukas.....something you'd expect to hear from Dr. Seuss's estate.
WWII Germany: constantly plagued by material shortages
Also WWII Germany: PLATINUM LUGER PISTOLS
Ian said it is dated August 1939, which is a couple of weeks prior to outset of WW2 on 1 September 1929, and was likely made up to a year beforehand.
Well platinum wouldn’t really be important to the war effort
@Evan Langston ye
@Evan Langston Yeah, like selling 3g of platinum would incredibly help the whole country. Then they also will feed people with money.
@Evan Langston That does not make any sense. AT ALL.
I'm surprised Herman Göring didn't just eat the pistol
looks yummy lol
Maybe if the grip was made out of white chocolate instead of ivory.
The ivory came from elephants he ate
@@ajeje1996 He is so fat not even an elephant can carry him
He did look like he ate pretty much everything else...
"Platinum plated loading tool... which is nice."
Ian makes it sound so basic :P
Goring would be the kind of guy to own what Patton would say were only fit for a New Orleans pimp in terms of gaudy.
I’m a little fuzzy on the subject, but I thought Patton’s disdain was for pearl grips, as he himself had ivory grips on his revolver. But I’m just going off of what I recall from the movie.
@@briansmith3011 it makes sense when his opinion on pearl grips are that. Goering is REALLY a blinged out dude...
@keith moore MacArthur was a bit mental, Bomber Harris was vengeful (arguably rightfully so "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind." and Mongtomery was sometimes over confident in his abilities, but Patton was by all accounts actually a genuine arsehole.
@@BFBCFTW At least Patton realized he was fighting on the wrong side, though somewhat too late.
@@BFBCFTW Over confident? Montgomery used the colonial troops in his command as cannon fodder. It was his lone tactic. Send wave after wave of colonials at the enemy, until the enemy collapsed, then mop up with proper English soldiers. Very nearly court marshalled for this practice multiple times, but he had connections. At Normandy and in Market Garden he was denied massed colonial troops, and so was completely ineffective, having to be rescued in both instances.
Mom: What are you laughing at?
Me: Nothing
Also me: Adolf Dripler
ah i see you are a person of culture aswell
I think Joseph stuntin will win the axis
@@KillaIn556 nah, nah it's gonna be benito swaggolini
_spagholini_ morelike
Driplos Horthy my man
I like platinum. I like Lugers. I like Forgotten weapons. This is going to be a good episode
I'd prefer a TiN-coating (would appear golden, but be very scratch resistant).
What about Göring?
@@zombrexgaming687 you’re treading a fine line my friend
I like Göring too
I like
Göring
Was Göring expecting to be the final boss or something? Exquisite tastes
He tried to get Hitler to designate him as the next Fuhrer in 1945, but Bormann put a stop to that
he was the richest man in Europe at one small point in time
He was just trying to get his, "12 good years."
He was born into a family of extreme wealth........the nazi regime further supplemented it with all the looting of antiguities
The guy had pet lions before it was even cool !!!!.....not tigers but LIONS!!
As a German "Krieghoff" sounds like some name an American or British entertainment company made up recently to find a name for a villain or sth. to sound more martial :) Sometimes reality beats fiction.
Like the british actor who played Frankenstein's monster in the 1931 universal movie ? He named himself Karloff.
@@MuciusSkaevola Not NEARLY as bad as being called a Pratt for 10 years at school...yikes.
Göring was more intelligent than you, don't ask me doe why he went for such a gaudy gun.
As in American "Krieghoff" sounds like a fast food chain that specializes in crinkle cut fries.
@@herpderp3131 It was a presentation piece, to be given as a gift, not for Göring's personal use.
During WW2 his favoured sidearm was a S&W Military & Police revolver, in .38 Special.
Well finished but plain.
Imagine being an American soldier and finding one of these on a German dude lol
US soldiers: *gollum's voice* "THE PRECIOUS!"
Daaaamn that German got all his pistols gold
"Hey look, this Kraut has the 1000 kills skin!"
Imagine then any of your officers seeing it.
Pvt Smith did not bring this home.
More like Colonel Jones.
@@iatsd Looting a corpse is a war crime!?
August 15th 1939, The Wizard of Oz its official premiere at Grauman's Chinese Theatre in Hollywood.
If that's not worth a platinum plated Luger nothing is!
that’s awesome
Goering wanted to be a "Friend of Dorthy" as well?
Two weeks later....well that party got out of hand
@@johnanon6938 these guns have probably something to with that Neuhammer Stuka disaster. It was a display with a lot of Luftwaffe Generals also close to Göring. So maybe Göring had them made for handing them out on this occasion.
@@Khanclansith Well, he certainly liked to dress up...
"If one reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Göring. You may call me Meyer." -Hermann Meyer
@ Also not to confused with his cousin, Lyer Lyer Panzer Fyre
Omg I love you guys! Lmfao.
Göring: No, you can't ruin my radio speech like that!
RAF: Ha ha, Mosquito goes wroooooom!
IIRC he said that regarding Allied bombers over Germany - but you did not mention the "eating a broom"-part.
The famous quote / HoI4 loading screen
As soon as I saw the thumbnail I knew this was Göring to be a good video.
Well thank God the loading tool is platinum plated. Imagine if it was gold plated and people noticed, you'd never be able to live that down.
So when will we see this one along Bin Ladens AK in a 2gun match?
@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine oh wait yes. It was Saddam who had the blinged to the brim AK
@@LaNombre He did but the really famous ones supposedly belonged to his son Uday.
@@emilynelson5985 Uday, the man that made Saddam look like a saint by comparison.
Goring must be grinding kills with the luger to get that platinum skin.
He should have the bipod attachment unlocked by now.
"Its a nice gun, I'll give you that. But the engraving gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever."
There is one possible link between the engraving theme and an intended purpose. The highest combat military honor in the German military was the Ritterkreuz, or Knights Cross. There were additions that could be added to the medal for subsequent awards, the basic one being the Eichenlaub, or Oakleaf Cluster. The use of the oakleaf as the main element in this Lugers embellishment might indicate an intention to award one these guns as a special recognition for valor to a carrier of the KnightsCross withOakleaves.
Yes but the date on these pistols was 1939-08-15. The Knight's Cross With Oak Leaves was only awarded beginning on 1940-06-03
Stvdagger: lacking further documentation, or a ouji-board link to Heinrich or Hermann, we can only guess
Oakleaves are just a thing on traditional German male clothing. Take a look at the traditional Bavarian "Lederhosen" or at traditional German hunting gear; there are oakleaves everywhere. Göring was very keen on hunting and was - amongst other titles - officially "Reichs hunting minister" (really !). Most of the "hunting laws" he invented are still active today in Germany. And as people mentioned, the man had a soft spot for "extravagant" dressing. If Göring had been Italian, you can imagine him being a Mafia boss.
The date perhaps says it all.15 August 1939 was the date of a major air disaster at Neuhammer in Germany. There was a demonstration of Stuka dive bombers that ended with a large number of aircraft crashed and 26 pilots killed. It happened in front of a large number of senior generals: Hugo Sperrle, Bruno Loerzer, Wolfram von Richthofen and more. It was held at the new headquarters of Von Rundstedt's Army Group South.
I would strongly suspect that the weapons were intended to be presented to a number of senior general attending the event. But given what happened, they were either not presented or presented in a very quiet way and forgotten.
That pistol is more art than weaponry. Highly Valuable as both a historical artifact and as a stunning, exclusive piece of art. Really cool video Ian.
I’m surprised these survived to this day
Why?
@@durayenterprisesllc4440 because the Ashford family bought em up and placed them on zombie infested islands
It's the mass produced stuff that gets used that doesn't survive because its common and worn so no-one thinks "Hey, this is special".
@@Kevin-mx1vi yeah true but I’m not surprised that they weren’t stolen it’s a wonder why Goring didn’t hide them
@@OMNIBAD nice resident evil reference 😂
They definitely fall in line with Goering's flamboyant style.
Flamboyant is quite the polite term.
Dr Mark Felton made several good videos about the extravagance of Goering.
*vulgar excess.
Goering makes Liberace look straight.
In Resident Evil: Code Veronica, Claire and Steve find a pair of gold-plated Lugers that are decorated exactly like Herman Goring's Luger, which Steve takes and uses for a short time. It's actually the first time that a Nazi official's gun has appeared in a video game.
Just because they're gold plated lugers doesn't make them the guns of nazi officials. Damascening Lugers was popular long before the Nazis came to power.
To say "the first time that a Nazi official's gun has appeared in a video game", is a baseless claim, They're just damascened Lugers...
@@tisFrancesfault When I said "Nazi official's gun", I meant that particular Luger, not all Luger pistols as a whole.
My claim isn't baseless and it is easily proved by the following fact:
Tokyo Marui made limited airsoft models of Code Veronica's Gold Luger, and there are pictures of that online. When that Luger is compared to Hermann Goring's
Krieghoff Heinrich Luger, the engravings of both guns are 99% identical.
The setting of Rockfort Island in the game was intended to have a few references to Nazi Germany, and that includes the Gold Lugers as well as a Panzerkampfwagen VI Tiger with its MG34 coaxial gun still in place.
@@tisFrancesfault actually, the Gold Lugers were a gift to the Ashfords from Göring during the negotiations with Great Britain.
@@ReonMagnum Call an ambulance, there's been a homicide!
@@ReonMagnum Urgh, I did something I tend to do, and sound way more confrontational that I intended.
Baseless was wrong. The game ones look quite different in styling, the TM Repos are possibly/probably based on on this pistol, as a fairly famous example (grip pattern is fairly different), but they are different.. I guess my point was to contest that this pistol was depicted, Instead, a similar style one was used.
Beautifully done. What a work of art!
"We don't know if these pistols originally came in cases at all."
Now I'm imagining Fatso Göring strolling into his local gun shop near the Schorfheide browsing the glass cases of guns and spotting one of these.
Göring was more intelligent than you, don't ask me doe why he went for such a gaudy gun.
@Erina Nagasawa I can see him salivating over presentation pistols on a tray like they were donuts.
It's sad that Luger's designs are no longer a thing. I've only shot a few magazines through a Luger P.08, but every shot was a pleasure. It was the most accurate pistol, smoothest pistol I've ever shot. The sights were very easy to use, I was able to have a 4" grouping at 50 yards, and by no means do I consider myself to be a good shot. I credit that to this wonderful pistol.
I've shot one too, and I wouldn't put any of those superlatives on it. It's very good for its day, which means its unremarkable by modern standards. Like Jay Leno talking about a Duesenberg for being amazing in that it can handle California freeway traffic about as well as a 1998 Camry.
@@GunFunZS well you're right about that, but as the first pinned barrel pistol, without a shitty trigger, and good sights, was wonderful to shoot. I'm not a fan of Browning tilting Lock and slide handguns or pistols
@@Tyler-uc4ye actually there's a German? guy today you can order a HAND BUILT Luger from. I think it's about 12 thousand dollars. and a wait list.
@@thedwightguy oh is there? I doubt he does financing and I don't have a credit card THAT deep. Otherwise I'd be for it.
@@Tyler-uc4ye from videos I've seen it's all updated with the best steel, hand crafted, this guy knows what he's doing. the war brought in so much junk metal across the board: everyone was in a hurry. lots of contaminated metals.
So how shiny do you want your Luger to be?
Göring: YES
*"JA!"
F. T. F. Y.
Ogling at the beauty, then the heartbreak when noticing the dreaded crack in the grip around the safety.....
Yes I spotted that as well!
The date perhaps says it all.15 August 1939 was the date of a major air disaster at Neuhammer in Germany. There was a demonstration of Stuka dive bombers that ended with a large number of aircraft crashed and 26 pilots killed. It happened in front of a large number of senior generals: Hugo Sperrle, Bruno Loerzer, Wolfram von Richthofen and more. It was held at the new headquarters of Von Rundstedt's Army Group South.
I would strongly suspect that the weapons were intended to be presented to a number of senior general attending the event. But given what happened, they were either not presented or presented in a very quiet way and forgotten.
So glad to see Ian going strong as ever. Killing it with the content!
Found myself intrigued by the subject matter and lore.
TLDR:
Very professionally articulated, MyMan.
“Listen kid, this games been rigged from the start.”
Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.
I wonder if the serial numbers were in fact party numbers of the person's they were presented to since they range so wildly and are above the actual production numbers. I know it's not very likely but it was the first thing I thought of
High 16,000s to low 17,000s isn't a particularly large range, and is suggestive of a continuation of the existing range if that got to the 13,000s. Perhaps they anticipated another batch of 3000-odd and started the presentation numbering after that.
Goring was an early party member from 1922 and would have had a low number.
@@slash6184 this gun was just ordered by göring maybe a present for someone else
Like a late medieval gold inlaid engraved wheellock. Intended for the highest ranks of the society, hundreds of man-hours spent on a single piece to make it gorgeous and never used in anger in their intended role.
Its ironic that much work goes to such instruments of death and they never find a chance to get fired in the middle of a world war.
Never know might got shot once at the end of the war 🤣
@asdrubale bisanzio If I have to use one for self defense, I would probably consider myself angry.
The intended role of a piece like this, is not shooting. It's more to show off and make other people envious.
I'm glad we have left this idea of beautifying weapons in the past. Imagine it in a current age, US Presidents getting nukes gold and platinum plated, with philosophical mantras of freedom engraved onto the side and gemstones covering the rivets. It would be weird.
@@GermanTopGameTV drip
Damn, a video about my favourite pistol on my birthday.
Thanks Ian, you're my source of gun knowledge of all the interesting guns and how they work.
Have a nice day!
Ah I'm glad I found this video. Years ago I saw a very low quality picture of one of these, and it was captioned as "Göring's personal Lugar". Nothing more. I tried to find more info but I was unsuccessful, so it was always a mystery to me if these guns actually existed. Thanks for the video!
That makes Saddam's golden AKs look like a joke (they were anyways, but you know what I mean).
Weird thing is Saddam and Hitler both had tons of gaudy guns made that were just meant as gifts for lackeys and actually preferred to own stuff that more fit the overweight tactocool guy aesthetic. I think Saddam got captured having a ghetto AK fitted with a car priced ACOG knock off. Man ended up not only looking like a methed up Bubba he became one.
Ok boomer
@@BigWillyG1000 s
Say what you will about Saddam, but - unlike Hitler - he didn't take a coward's way out and went out like a man.
Kim Jong Un's golden Pistol would be cool aswell. Every dictator has one of those
@@pfw4568 Biden doesn't have one, I don't think.
It's like a scary but awesome piece of art, with a significant historical background. Can't imagine the costs of this thing.
“Engravings gives you no tactical advantage whatsoever”
"If you can read this, I got you in my other sights already...hands UP :p"
"you're pretty good"
"It costs 400.000$ to fire this weapon for 12 seconds..."
Not bad, a Zumwalt rail gun round costs a cool $1m a go
on the 15.8.1939 there was a airshow from the luftwaffe. on that day 26 people lost there life on that air show so maybe, it was made for the airshow as a gift for some pilots.
Truly a safe queen.
With +p+?
@@guaporeturns9472 -p
Patton: My guns have ivory grips
Goring: Thats adorable
I visited a very rich gun collector who lives in a castle in Belgium. He gave me the hunting rifle of King Ludwig II of Bavaria (he built the famous fairy tale castle "Neuschwanstein"). The Barrel is made of Damascus steel. It's a beautiful gun, incredibly valuable.
Can I have it to preserve its history?
Herman was an art lover, he loved nice things and he had the chance to get something made that he wanted and he took it. What a lovely Luger ! best one I ever saw !
And I thought that Gold-damascened Russian thing was something you'd see in the hands of a Bond villain. This is straight out of a thousand war films.
Didn't know Ian had a pack-a-punch machine at the place.
I don’t think it was unheard of for arms makers to gift “presentation weapon” of extremely high quality to generals and politicians in WW11 Germany (and probably the practice continues worldwide today.)
Luger is my favourite pistol even as a kid I loved them. I had a cap gun Luger when I was about 8. Later on I got a 1939 Luger in mint condition 20 years later. This one is the holy grail for me.
What a gorgeous piece of work! Goring probably ordered them to present to his cronies, but they are so nice he decided to keep them for himself.
Or he simply planned to present them at the end of the war!
Fun fact: A pair of these were featured in Resident Evil Code Veronica.
Except those were gold
So basically, they weren't these pistols lol.
Fun fact: no they weren’t.
@@kellanaldous7092 they may have been inspired by these pistol. The villains were originally going to be Nazis.
Fun fact: Fail
1:13 "it had been stored in a case that had acidic felt or leather, but that's not the case for this case"
Imagine being the guy that has to import mark stuff like this, a crime against antiqities
I can’t believe you were able to obtain this piece and show us.
I don’t know why I’m so shocked because you have a stout reputation when it comes to acquiring rare and absolutely gorgeous pieces.
But wow!
This piece is absolutely stunning,
I would give a arm and leg just for a replica piece made by a company with even silver plated and some material to look ivory and isn’t .
Just because the beauty of it.
Just to have in a case and behind glass somewhere in my house to show to only real fans of history to admire.
Man, idk why but I fell in love with the artillery Luger and have always dreamed of this one along with the gold plated one as like my “Dream Gun” to have.
Absolutely stunning and remarkable pistols.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing really!
This thing is beautiful. A work of art.
Engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever
But that was some fancy shooting
I had to scroll way too far to find this.
Was looking for this.
Well, there is an exception to the rule: the Webley Fosbery revolver.
For more information you can check out the C&Arsenal episode.
Skins = Wins
Just when I thought that the Luger pistol couldn't look any more beautiful. Wow. 👌🏻🔥🔥🔥
I saw one of those Lugers in the early 1980s, at Deniliquin NSW Australia, in a collection of 9 Lugers owned by a farmer (wealthy farmer). I hate to think what happened to it and them when he died, probably surrendered in a gun amnesty and melted down.
So cool that you've handled so many historical guns. An autobiography would be awesome some day.
Certainly a most beautiful piece sir!!👍
next time red baron‘s p08 or Lawrence of Arabia’s SMLE？
Say what you will about the bad guys, but they have some good bling.
Hugo Boss was a member of the Nazi party and designed many uniforms for the German military.
Uniforms by Hugo Boss
Weapons by Krieghoff
Rides by Mercedes; I'll say one thing, they had style
Still extremely bad guys.
There's no good or bad in war, only sides
Choose your brainwashing propaganda, put on the uniform and go for a nice walk in no man's land while your commander enjoys a whisky from the safety of his bunker
Idiot
4 am and I cannot sleep but I know my reward for suffering with insomnia is an episode of Forgotten Weapons. And damn is this a good one !
I get the impression that Goering was a bit materialistic.
Thanks Ian. These pistols are possibly meant for the families of the thirteen pilots who died during a demonstration of Junkers, Stuka dive bombers, that occurred on 15th August 1939 for the high command in Silesia (in what is today Poland,) Germany. Hope that helps!
Because of his extraordinary clothing-style, Hermann Göring had the german nickname "Lametta-Heini" (english: tinsel-jerk or lametta-idiot). He ran arround like an decorated chrismasstree and some germans told jokes about him. Greetings from Germany, Berchtesgaden
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Sums up pretty well what happens with computer stuff nowadays... 😂
I've been waiting for this! He may have been one of the most evil bastards of the modern era, but Herr Meyer definitely had an eye for aesthetics.
Göring liked to boast, and on 9 August 1939, Göring said, "The Ruhr will not be subjected to a single bomb. If an enemy bomber reaches the Ruhr, my name is not Hermann Göring: you can call me Meier!"
@Nonoffensive Username Literally ordered Reinhard Heydrich to 'solve the Jewish Question', which led directly to the Holocaust.
I'm not surprised that Admiral (not General) Doenitz never received such a gift from Goering. The Luftwaffe and the Kriegsmarine weren't the best of buddies.
At 9:07 we se the lug for the shoulder stock just at Ian's thumb. A leftover from the original military production guns or might there have been stocks for these pistols? Not unthinkable for a presentation gun to have all the trimmings.
Things like this should be reserved for after you win the war you start.
Göring was more intelligent than you, don't ask me doe why he went for such a gaudy gun.
i swear when you said "it makes sense that Goring would've ordered these' wouldve been followed up with something like "because dude was a real piece of work"
"An American GI who brought this home" - like he picked it up at the gift shop lol
Are we supposed to feel bad for the Nazis because some American soldiers brought home some guns?
Bro pack-a-punched the Luger
Came here from the Gold Damascene presentation. Platinum makes sense in firearms - it's really dense, EXTREMELY heat resistant, and while still a somewhat soft metal, it's harder than gold. And still looks great, but admitteldly, I like gold on black.patterns. :)
If this is one of Göring`s Lugers then i have to admit that Göring did have some Taste i mean it`s Tacky af but it would be worse if the Gun would be gold plated
Did you ignore the part where the other 9 were gold plated?
@@kanedakrsa No, I only gave my opinion on the optical part or in short: platinum plated is tacky af but ok gold plated is just tacky af and ugly to look at (at least that's what I think)
@@kanedakrsa You got it wrong, one out of the ten was gold, the others were platinum.
@@AAArnold Remember the house tour scene in "Wall Street" where M. Douglas points out to C. Sheen the gold plated luger encased on the wall?? "Gold Luger, never fired"???????
Doesn´t matter who they were made for. It´s all about the skill of the gunsmith/artist and what they created. So while i´m not a fan of the Luger design (it has some glaring weaknesses), this pistol is a piece of art and skill.
Holy Sh*t bucket! Yan has got to have a crazy contact network to get this close to this weapon!!!
and do a video on it
I'm surprised Mark Felton hasn't done a video on this. If anyone knows who Goering gifted those Lugers to, it would be him!
On surrender, Goring handed over a pretty ordinary looking revolver, which I though was odd - I would have expected a Luger or Walther
You should make a video about the proper procedure for removing a Luger’s grips, so you don’t chip your IRREPLACEABLE IVORY ONES!!!
I'm surprised to see that these engravings don't have any Nazi symbology.
Did they need any more of it. For God's sake it is even under their dinner plates :D
@Coach Black Pill Your Marxist teacher told you that? Such tendencies were/are taboo within the movement.
@toeff7852 Yet I write better than you, how weird huh?
I love how Leftists pat themselves on the back when all they have done is regurgitate some lies they have been indoctrinated with..
Was my comment about the movement in any way incorrect or are you just off your medication?
@@Willy_Tepes Do you even know what a Marxist even is and have you ever heard of Rommel? Dude didn't like Nazis despite working with them
@@finkamain1621 had no issues with murdering the Jews part though
If Liberace had of had a Luger I imagine it would be a bit like that .
Not enough sequins.
@@nikolajwinther5955 Or an attachement point for Liberace's patented tactical candelabra light .
After reading the title I expected to see Ian sitting in front of THAT fireplace. Probably end up there.
Tomorrow Ian will shoot it, Sunday IV8888 does the 10,000 round torture test
Woah cool camo I wonder how many kills he got in BFV
So when are you mud testing THAT luger?
Just to note: if there is a library that has a copy of the book there’s a decent chance you can borrow it through interlibrary loan.
ILL is an awesome thing!
You may need to hit up a university library, though.
With the crazy serial number gaps, there’s probably an old abandoned train rusting away somewhere....with every boxcar full of NOS Luger pistols...
The included accessories; especially the plated loading tool, would lead me to believe the case was included.
Imagine getting in to a firefight with a german that was throwing gang signs, with his pants hanging around his ankles whilst holding his platinum coated Luger sideways.
Invading modern day germany lol.
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