NEW CHESS CHEATING SCANDAL??????????

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  • @arthoormoorgen9492
    @arthoormoorgen9492 7 місяців тому +7203

    That tweet from Magnus will cover Levy's expenses for the rest of the year 😂.

  • @joshmcginn7546
    @joshmcginn7546 7 місяців тому +1259

    At this point i get the feeling you could absolutely destroy magnus if you simply looked at him before a game and said "im going to cheat"

    • @axelconde529
      @axelconde529 7 місяців тому +15

      🤑

    • @Exponaut_R-01
      @Exponaut_R-01 7 місяців тому +69

      Why do I get the feeling if Magnus and Levy played a game OTB and Levy said that it would just be this cancel out thermite fire game of chess where both of them play terribly
      Magnus because he's concerned
      Levy because he's playing Magnus

    • @krollo8953
      @krollo8953 7 місяців тому +16

      yes but all people would be unnerved by this. cheating has happened in almost every possible sport that can be imagined... i think a higher level of security is needed. like should they be playing in faraday cages. should there be devices that can take pictures of emf ect to demonstrate technology at work. i mean i wouldnt be surprised if a electric ventricular assist device could be tweaked to morse code an answer. people should be concerned about cheating

    • @calibrexdaoc
      @calibrexdaoc 7 місяців тому +4

      You’d lose then before the begins

    • @newbgameplay
      @newbgameplay 7 місяців тому +1

      True. I feel bad for him.

  • @user-kh6xl4yg1j
    @user-kh6xl4yg1j 7 місяців тому +542

    1. Rules should be consistent; 2. Smartphone use by spectators should not be allowed in the playing hall while any game is in progress;
    3. Some form of broadcast delay should always be in place.

    • @danielestrada3390
      @danielestrada3390 7 місяців тому +17

      A quarter of an hour of delay maybe

    • @disabledchatzen5276
      @disabledchatzen5276 7 місяців тому

      Why not delay it the full length of the game? What's the downside to ensuring the integrity of the game?@@danielestrada3390

    • @MkLC04
      @MkLC04 7 місяців тому

      ​@@danielestrada3390 at minium

    • @Necro-the-Pyro
      @Necro-the-Pyro 7 місяців тому +10

      Yea i feel like its in the same category as taking a phone call while in a movie theater. Its disruptive and inconsiderate regardless.

    • @Narrowcros
      @Narrowcros 7 місяців тому

      True, only problem with carlsen askissers is that they are ignorant. He opponent never wore a smart watch.

  • @xxlCortez
    @xxlCortez 7 місяців тому +758

    I think Magnus' problem is that there was recently a cheating scandal that put the effectiveness of rules into question but instead of strictening it, arbiters being lax about existing rules. So, he's being distracted by the fact that nobody learned anything from the previous case.

    • @dwightPhoenix
      @dwightPhoenix 7 місяців тому +90

      Or. He wasn't that affected by the watch but subconsciously balloons it as a problem when he embarrassingly loses to a lower rated player.
      Just sharing another perspective.

    • @jordanmungo917
      @jordanmungo917 7 місяців тому +35

      The arbiter determines if analog watches are allowed or not. The rule Levy showed didn't give a list of items that are banned, it gave an example of items which could be banned at a tournament. That's why it says "E.g" rather than showing a clear list of banned items. The tournament decides what items are banned, and they didn't ban analog watches
      The part about smartphones in the playing hall is a good point though
      Magnus are Levy are simply wrong about the rule. Maybe other tournaments ban analog watches, but that's their choice
      I agree with Hikaru. If we are worried about analog watches then absolutely all jewelry should be banned. It gets to be ridiculous at some point

    • @agarrigue002
      @agarrigue002 7 місяців тому +22

      @@jordanmungo917 Maybe it should. The law should be clarified to say that any gadget a player wants to wear should be approved beforehand and by approved, it should be carefully studied to make sure no tampering has been done to it.
      You should absolutely worry about jewelry and any kind of gadgets because it's so easy to conceal electronics nowadays. If we want to preserve the integrity of the game, we need to take cheating seriously.

    • @PurpleHazeVanNederlands
      @PurpleHazeVanNederlands 7 місяців тому +14

      ​@@dwightPhoenixThat's exactly what it, Magnus seems to accuss every person who beats him of cheating

    • @LOLILALULO
      @LOLILALULO 7 місяців тому +10

      ​@@jordanmungo917 in the list it says clearly WATCHES. When we say watches we say the analog watches, not the smart watches. Or why cannot someone take his wallet with him? What is it a smart wallet? For gods sake some of you people.

  • @mostafaalnasr6209
    @mostafaalnasr6209 7 місяців тому +2707

    Chess never fails to speak for itself

    • @mr.death7267
      @mr.death7267 7 місяців тому +18

      Underrated comment

    • @timsagichnicht
      @timsagichnicht 7 місяців тому +3

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @strawberryramun4646
      @strawberryramun4646 7 місяців тому +4

      Can you explain this?

    • @freeyoungsex
      @freeyoungsex 7 місяців тому

      ​@@strawberryramun4646Hans Nie***n said that after his scandal

    • @Joren68
      @Joren68 7 місяців тому +9

      @@strawberryramun4646Hans neiman quote

  • @SwiFTDBL
    @SwiFTDBL 7 місяців тому +510

    i can definitely understand how THINKING your opponent MIGHT be cheating would effect your own gameplay / strength.

    • @onyx3019
      @onyx3019 7 місяців тому +73

      next up in chess , "my opponents shirt is distracting and creates an unfair advantage" time to play naked

    • @roguez1333
      @roguez1333 7 місяців тому

      ​@@onyx3019average 500 rating player

    • @Marc467gg
      @Marc467gg 7 місяців тому +22

      He was wearing a watch bro chill

    • @Mebsuta
      @Mebsuta 7 місяців тому +32

      Yes, but this basically exonerated Hans Niemann. Apparently Magnus gets nervous/paranoid when slightly under the thought that he might be playing a cheater, so the problem is just his, and his accusation are less believable because he's prone to making them.

    • @hgcrazy6915
      @hgcrazy6915 7 місяців тому +15

      @@Mebsuta i mean he only accused one person. who tbf had chated in the past and of course its a him thing thats what he said in his tweet. the cheating as a whole tho is a chess problem

  • @Carlos-dp5nv
    @Carlos-dp5nv 7 місяців тому +927

    This reminds me an old story which occurred in a game between Nimzovich and Lasker.
    Nimzovich was very sensitive to smoke. Lasker, on the other hand, used to smoke one cigar after another while playing. However, he had agreed not to smoke his cigars during the game. After a few moves, Lasker pulled out a big cigar, bit off and put it in his mouth. Then Nimzovich protested to the umpire, the umpire looked and said: "Well, he is not smoking, the cigar is not lit" Nimzovich replied, "But he threatens to smoke! and you know as well as I do that in chess the threat is often stronger than the execution."

    • @onyx3019
      @onyx3019 7 місяців тому +472

      everyone is uncomfortable around naked people thats why hikaru promised magnus not to play naked , but after a few moves he unbuttoned the top button on his pineapple shirt ,then magnus protested to the umpire ,the umpire looked and said "well he is not naked ,his shirt is still on" magnus replied "but he threatens to get naked and you know as well as I do that in chess the threat is often stronger than the execution."

    • @TheFattestLInHistory
      @TheFattestLInHistory 7 місяців тому +19

      @@onyx3019🤣🤣🤣

    • @yamirruizdiaz6346
      @yamirruizdiaz6346 7 місяців тому +10

      ​@@onyx3019😂😂😂

    • @1.4142
      @1.4142 7 місяців тому +8

      then there's the karpov's blueberry yogurt

    • @dob2664
      @dob2664 7 місяців тому +24

      @@onyx3019 you are fucking hilarious

  • @bunkenator
    @bunkenator 7 місяців тому +102

    The Dutch GM Maximiliaan Euwe used to smoke cigar in the playing hall. He said it distracted his opponents. When it became prohibited to smoke at events he used to bring his cigar and put it beside the board. He said that worked just as well.

    • @brendanbrown3100
      @brendanbrown3100 7 місяців тому

      That wasn’t Euwe - it was Lasker Ithink.

    • @bunkenator
      @bunkenator 7 місяців тому

      Oh, that's possible,@@brendanbrown3100 I just remember reading about it in Euwe's chess book series, it's possible he was referring to Lasker. But he definitely approved of the methodology (-:

  • @UnicursalOfficial
    @UnicursalOfficial 7 місяців тому +189

    L arbiter...

  • @savin9100
    @savin9100 7 місяців тому +1674

    Levy never fails to clickbait me, any ways i love his channel

    • @alanpierce2002
      @alanpierce2002 7 місяців тому +47

      Cheating scandal without the cheating... not sure how that works, but here I am watching so I guess it worked perfectly.

    • @kiiturii
      @kiiturii 7 місяців тому +9

      it's not clickbait tho

    • @exeddo3278
      @exeddo3278 7 місяців тому +39

      @@kiituriiit is lol

    • @goku445
      @goku445 7 місяців тому +13

      @@kiiturii totally is

    • @LOLzum101
      @LOLzum101 7 місяців тому +13

      ​@@kiituriiit literally is

  • @arcynic5404
    @arcynic5404 7 місяців тому +22

    My new goal in life is not to be so good that people think you’re cheating when you win. Its to be so good that people accuse others of cheating when they win against you.

    • @simple45679
      @simple45679 7 місяців тому +3

      Achieving peak rating of 2880 is hard but good luck

  • @greencreature
    @greencreature 7 місяців тому +1041

    The problem is Magnus has now openly admitted his play is affected when he is concerned about cheating. He was obviously concerned when he played Hans. Hans clearly has a checkered past but it does lend credence to the fact that Hans didn't need to cheat to win that match.

    • @rorykeegan1895
      @rorykeegan1895 7 місяців тому

      Hans is a cheat, not only is he a proven cheat, he's an admitted cheat. Cheats shouldn't be playing in tournaments, simple.

    • @oscarosorto2152
      @oscarosorto2152 7 місяців тому +158

      I think people also forget Magnus has autism so it’s harder for him to concentrate with little things

    • @dooflydetailguuy4349
      @dooflydetailguuy4349 7 місяців тому +175

      ​@@oscarosorto2152he said that when he was a kid all he could think about was philosophy and he determined that the purpose of existence in life is an eternal endless loop so he picked up chess to distract himself.

    • @dooflydetailguuy4349
      @dooflydetailguuy4349 7 місяців тому +7

      It's in his interview with Rainn Wilson

    • @stianaandal1488
      @stianaandal1488 7 місяців тому +119

      I dont think Hans cheated OTB. (I dont know if Magnus thinks the same too). However the problem is when you start to think about it. Then you find moves suspicious and you cant get it out of your head

  • @RealCarlosPerez
    @RealCarlosPerez 7 місяців тому +541

    I can totally see Magnus being the type of guy who sees a guy who is clearly breaking the rules (although may not be cheating) and is just 100% distracted for sure.

    • @stianaandal1488
      @stianaandal1488 7 місяців тому +23

      Yeah I think the same thing happened with Hans

    • @Mathijs303
      @Mathijs303 7 місяців тому +38

      Exactly, it's like a surgeon saying, I disinfected my rings very well.

    • @vladimirgertner3960
      @vladimirgertner3960 7 місяців тому +37

      The rules weren't actually broken. The rules state "electronic devices". A mechanical watch is not included. Even if you list "Watch" as a clarifying measure, the category is still "Electronic devices". Furthermore, the rules state "Unless allowed by an arbiter" which it was.

    • @_egghead
      @_egghead 7 місяців тому

      ​@@vladimirgertner3960watch is always electronic since it use battery

    • @drake4931
      @drake4931 7 місяців тому +44

      ​@@vladimirgertner3960the "electronic devices" thing was in a different category. Pens were listed alongside watch, so clearly they had moved on from just electronics. And I don't see anything about the arbiter being able to allow it. The only thing about the arbiter that I see is saying that you can't refuse a search from one

  • @Rechnerstrom
    @Rechnerstrom 7 місяців тому +41

    "He is threatening to smoke, and as an old player you must know that the threat is stronger than the execution." - Aaron Nimzowitsch (allegedly)
    This episode plays quite along that line.

  • @cloudtheavegner1000
    @cloudtheavegner1000 7 місяців тому +219

    Magnus is one of those obsessive types. He couldn't stop obsessing over the watch, which is something he wasn't used to and it got the better of him. His obsessiveness with chess is also why he's the GOAT. You win some, you lose some.

    • @Samibeast8
      @Samibeast8 7 місяців тому +15

      He’s autistic as well (which most people forget) which could contribute to that as well

    • @cloudtheavegner1000
      @cloudtheavegner1000 7 місяців тому +12

      @@Samibeast8 there’s mixed information about that so I refrained from saying it. But yes, autistic people are obsessive over things, which makes them great at what they do.

    • @conelord1984
      @conelord1984 7 місяців тому +8

      If he dealt with himself instead of making these dramas about it, it would be fine. The problem is the collateral damage of his obsessive behavior. At least less and less people are taking him seriously with each tantrum.

    • @cloudtheavegner1000
      @cloudtheavegner1000 7 місяців тому +15

      @@conelord1984 it’s not a tantrum. He doesn’t blame his opponent and he admits his obsession got the better of him. The fact remains he’s still the best. Given his outlandish personality, I’m amazed he’s avoided drama for this long.

    • @matteopacelli9001
      @matteopacelli9001 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Samibeast8magnus is not autistic

  • @taylaca
    @taylaca 7 місяців тому +19

    The spectators with smartphones weren't even subtle. They were practically waving them in Magnus's face, taking pictures of him, while the arbiters stood by unconcerned.

    • @pierrecurie
      @pierrecurie 7 місяців тому +1

      It's that bad?

    • @anubizz3
      @anubizz3 7 місяців тому

      Then chess should be play inside a box and the player need to play it naked...

  • @TheBiggestBlue
    @TheBiggestBlue 7 місяців тому +385

    Levy: *Points out blemishes in wall*
    Me: *glances at wall consistently for the rest of the video*

    • @corynaberhaus2962
      @corynaberhaus2962 7 місяців тому +23

      Kind of like a watch...

    • @TheBiggestBlue
      @TheBiggestBlue 7 місяців тому +5

      @@corynaberhaus2962 Clever!

    • @Narrowcros
      @Narrowcros 7 місяців тому +3

      Carlsen: He was cheating with the wall

    • @Jartran72
      @Jartran72 7 місяців тому +1

      Thats an old meme from Hikaru to the queens gambit show. Players looking at walls, usualy the ceiling.

    • @TheBiggestBlue
      @TheBiggestBlue 7 місяців тому +2

      @@Jartran72 while true about it being an old meme, it wasnt the intent behind the comment. I legit just couldn't stop (and now every time I see this room) bringing my eyes to the wall blemish

  • @aleksi4836
    @aleksi4836 7 місяців тому +862

    Levy never fails to mate from the back

  • @LumocolorARTnr1319
    @LumocolorARTnr1319 7 місяців тому +10

    One of the most effective attacks in chess is outside the board; disturb your opponents ability to concentrate. Everyone who played knows how important the setting around the table with the board is.

    • @robbe542
      @robbe542 7 місяців тому +4

      And the most effective attack outside of the board is to launch an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile at your opponent

  • @christopher19894
    @christopher19894 7 місяців тому +5

    Magnus losing to Hans and now Alisher is probably proof that he's entering the twilight of his career. The Hans game was more suspicious, but in the Alisher game, Magnus simply played a bad opening and middlegame, which makes it harder to suspect cheating.

  • @AbelShields
    @AbelShields 7 місяців тому +401

    Magnus literally said he wasn't accusing him of cheating

    • @potatopromise
      @potatopromise 7 місяців тому +120

      yeah, i think people are overreacting. He said why wasnt the rules followed and people are saying he is accsuing.

    • @Thatsweat
      @Thatsweat 7 місяців тому +85

      Levy never fails to squeeze water from a stone

    • @10011110011
      @10011110011 7 місяців тому +8

      Why not protest before starting the game? Dontnplay or something?

    • @AbelShields
      @AbelShields 7 місяців тому +48

      ​@@10011110011I think Magnus did ask the arbiter during the game, I assume that's what his tweet meant, the arbiter allowed it.

    • @potatopromise
      @potatopromise 7 місяців тому

      @@10011110011 he did tweet this
      “I did ask an arbiter during the game whether watches were allowed, and he clarified that smartwatches were banned, but not analog watches. This seems to be against FIDE rules for events of this stature”

  • @kheireddineattala1281
    @kheireddineattala1281 7 місяців тому +110

    Magnus before he wins: watch
    Magnus after he looses: watch

    • @getfam1liar
      @getfam1liar 7 місяців тому +9

      Loses!... I don't know what "looses" is!

    • @rdspam
      @rdspam 7 місяців тому

      @@getfam1liarneeds to tighten up his game…

    • @kheireddineattala1281
      @kheireddineattala1281 7 місяців тому +1

      @@getfam1liar I make this exact spelling mistake so often lol

    • @getfam1liar
      @getfam1liar 7 місяців тому +1

      @@kheireddineattala1281 totally understandable if English isn't your primary language! Lol

  • @kju-uu8me
    @kju-uu8me 7 місяців тому +18

    13:34 I won't recover from that flashbang until the next cheating scandal comes to pay Levys rent

    • @The94Beanie
      @The94Beanie 7 місяців тому +2

      I think i'm legally blind now ☠️

  • @inteluhdgaming1524
    @inteluhdgaming1524 7 місяців тому +2

    4:22 there is also Bg5 after Ng4 attacking the Queen, f6 Bh4 defending f2 and your knight is awkwardly placed.
    Your engine dept is also incredibly low at times

  • @elevenchuck2446
    @elevenchuck2446 7 місяців тому +11

    you know... Bobby Fischer complained a lot at tournaments. Cameras, lights, audience etc.

  • @istoleyourorangejuice
    @istoleyourorangejuice 7 місяців тому +13

    SpaceUK in chess 💀

    • @uggmufpendrak8088
      @uggmufpendrak8088 7 місяців тому +2

      Such a niche gaming reference, I love it

    • @jukezy46
      @jukezy46 7 місяців тому +1

      :o hello fellow gd player

  • @economicsjingle
    @economicsjingle 7 місяців тому +2

    Magnus and Levy both misinterpreted the FIDE rulebook. Watches are listed as an example of electronic devices that are prohibited. Many watches are not electronic at all but mechanical--just springs and gears inside.

  • @user-sh3tm8yj5o
    @user-sh3tm8yj5o 7 місяців тому +8

    The thing is when you feel like your opponent is cheating,your own game decreases by more than 50% .

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому

      not exactly, unless you focus on it too much and let it hinder your gameplay and that's the case for Magnus

    • @user-sh3tm8yj5o
      @user-sh3tm8yj5o 7 місяців тому

      @@valiantwarrior1988 sorry but you don't need to focus on that, that comes to your mind automatically

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому +2

      @@user-sh3tm8yj5o the case with Magnus was he saw his watch which was against fide rules, he then asked the arbiter about it and told it was against the rules and the arbiter didn't agree. Its the fact that the organization isn't well done and rules aren't being followed and potential cheating maybe lurking around is what messed with his psychologically and he just couldn't focus much which led to his poor play - that knight move.

    • @homiealladin7340
      @homiealladin7340 7 місяців тому +1

      Hikaru has literally beat genuine cheaters before and these gms can tell the difference between an engine playing and an actual human. Magnus knew he wasnt cheating but just wanted an excuse as to why he lost.

    • @JimmyBoosterCrate
      @JimmyBoosterCrate 7 місяців тому

      Not really, I'd be more chill since I'm no longer worried about being out-witted by a fellow human.

  • @susymay7831
    @susymay7831 7 місяців тому +22

    I would not want my opponent being able to look at a watch on his wrist if I were a high stakes chess player.

    • @susymay7831
      @susymay7831 7 місяців тому +6

      @@Edd-zd5wb No one is accusing the winner or either cheating or continually watching his watch.
      The FIDE rules prohibit the wearing of a watch due to the possibility of high-tech cheating, and I think it is best to literally follow this rule, and a host of other rules that are becoming common to protect the players and integrity of the events, in high-stakes chess matches. I don't know of any top players who disagree.
      Mad props to the winner of this game!! 🏆

    • @imissmygirlbro8932
      @imissmygirlbro8932 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Edd-zd5wbbro how hard is it for you to read the rules why are you trying to be the oddball rules are rules they are meant to be followed

  • @mr.cynical520
    @mr.cynical520 7 місяців тому +1373

    DO IT JIGGLE?

    • @ivarte
      @ivarte 7 місяців тому +52

      Agree

    • @builderphill1361
      @builderphill1361 7 місяців тому +411

      Palestine vs Israel chess match to determine who gets to stay and leave

    • @AC_Blanco
      @AC_Blanco 7 місяців тому

      Full occupation and population expulsion

    • @soundwavesuperior28
      @soundwavesuperior28 7 місяців тому +21

      jihad will win

    • @paul_warner
      @paul_warner 7 місяців тому +372

      Free Palestine from Hamas

  • @tigrengbisakol8280
    @tigrengbisakol8280 7 місяців тому +4

    This will now become a precedent whenever a high rated player loses to a lower rated opponent. Accusations of cheating can be done because the GOAT of chess started the trend. Kramnik already followed suit.

  • @gaussniwre866
    @gaussniwre866 7 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic recap Levy. Can't imagine how much time you put in those but you are a natural.

  • @epileptix8954
    @epileptix8954 7 місяців тому +4

    This seems super clear. How is it so confusing.
    "...any electrical device not specifically approved by the arbiter in the playing venue."
    The arbirter at the venue approved it.
    How is that event not "following the handbook" when the handbook leaves it to the arbiters discretion?

    • @Math.Bandit
      @Math.Bandit 7 місяців тому +4

      Because in addition to banning anything not specifically approved, there is a second document that was shown that outlines that specific items (watches, pens, wallets) are banned unconditionally.
      If a restaurant policy says that only approved jackets can be worn to dinner, that doesn't mean I can walk in with an AK47 strapped to my chest as long as the manager is cool with it, since the laws of my country also forbid that.

    • @philipchouliaras5879
      @philipchouliaras5879 7 місяців тому +1

      It wasnt an electrical device though was it?

  • @Justfun-kh4kn
    @Justfun-kh4kn 7 місяців тому +4

    Magnus's opponent plays the watch gambit!

  • @javakendrick321
    @javakendrick321 7 місяців тому +9

    I think the problem is that Magnus gets this urge that he needs to justify every loss because he's the best.However, this is not the case at all.If someone plays well congratulate them and stop insinuating that they cheated somehow.

    • @Tuh_qh90
      @Tuh_qh90 6 місяців тому

      Not really. He loses every now and then. He doesn't complain

  • @robertprince9014
    @robertprince9014 7 місяців тому

    Great feed bro! Make another one tomorrow! Thanks

  • @arcaneben9171
    @arcaneben9171 7 місяців тому +81

    Imagine being the player who has literally mastered a mental game and still gets thrown away by a wrist watch

    • @futureflash3479
      @futureflash3479 7 місяців тому +19

      It's a sign that perhaps Magnus might start looking into retiring from chess...

    • @MrVovansim
      @MrVovansim 7 місяців тому +4

      Please let his next opponent roll in looking like Flava Flav, with a watch the size of his head around his neck.

    • @nft3
      @nft3 7 місяців тому +2

      OP kid never heard about Fischer or Kasparov.

    • @stianaandal1488
      @stianaandal1488 7 місяців тому +3

      He is strong mentally (probably the strongest) but when its possible to cheat its different

  • @nakiyembaflorence7699
    @nakiyembaflorence7699 7 місяців тому +7

    Magnus gets absolutely crushed
    Finds excuses😂

  • @88Cardey
    @88Cardey 7 місяців тому +79

    The arbiter is entirely at fault here, I don't think anyone thinks Alisher cheated but if anyone does think that, it's the arbiters fault. Why let something as simple as a watch cause such controversy? I think most people are in agreement anti cheating measures are a good thing and being lax about them at the top level in particular, is terrible for the game.

    • @bzeljn
      @bzeljn 7 місяців тому +15

      "if he allowed to wear a watch?" "it is not a digital watch so yes he is" magnus then proceeds to lose

    • @freefall9832
      @freefall9832 7 місяців тому

      Definitely cheating again. Magnus doesn't say vibrating watch by accident.

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому +7

      Magnus did not, and I mean he absolutely didn't say Alisher cheated. It was a well played game by him, just a foul one for Magnus because as you may imagine a guy who cheated against him would make him feel worried of playing any more potential cheaters. Yes, playing against stockfish feels like being mercilessly pressed by all sides, I've played cheaters at 2200 elo so I know how terrible it feels.

    • @freefall9832
      @freefall9832 7 місяців тому

      @valiantwarrior1988 Magnus brought up the topic of cheating after the match. He knows he was cheated against, and we should believe he knows if he's been cheated against.

    • @benson21
      @benson21 7 місяців тому +8

      @@bzeljn but the handbook clearly says a watch is not allowed so the arbiter allowing it is the reason he was at fault mate

  • @KessaWitdaFro
    @KessaWitdaFro 7 місяців тому +27

    Magnus: Shows up 20 minutes late half dressed with a snack
    Also Magnus: Your watch is distracting me

  • @TSpoon823
    @TSpoon823 7 місяців тому +123

    When I saw a breakdown of this game earlier I immediately thought "that chess spoke for itself" 😂 couldn't wait for Levy's commentary for sure.

  • @peeriuga5517
    @peeriuga5517 7 місяців тому +133

    Levy Never fails to include magnus in his video

    • @xJayhawkFANx
      @xJayhawkFANx 7 місяців тому +4

      I mean Magnus videos perform the best so it makes sense

    • @fatshibaballs
      @fatshibaballs 7 місяців тому +2

      he's literally the one who acknowledged the possibility of cheating. of course hes relevant.

  • @DylanWagerMusic
    @DylanWagerMusic 7 місяців тому +2

    They should also ban chefs hats, just in case that dude from ratatouille pulls up to the chess competition

  • @humanrightsadvocate
    @humanrightsadvocate 7 місяців тому +3

    There should be ABSOLUTELY no devices allowed, regardless of their nature. It is trivial to insert a vibrating mechanism inside a mechanical watch that will alert the user when the opponent made a suboptimal move.

  • @kukuc96
    @kukuc96 7 місяців тому +56

    I don't know what list you pulled up, but the FIDE website says Anton Smirnov is rated 2586 in classical (and Australian). Which would make him 2 points higher than Temur Kuybokarov. So your memory was on point. Until the end of the game anyways. I imagine he gained more than 2 points for winning.

  • @robinthomsoncomposer
    @robinthomsoncomposer 7 місяців тому +2

    So entertaining Levi. Looking forward to getting your book. C’mon the 24th of October….you are still so faraway!!!

  • @alexcantelou2469
    @alexcantelou2469 7 місяців тому +2

    Once again... the GothamChess commentary is as good as any of the old-time prize fights on the radio! Awesome.

  • @TheMosayat
    @TheMosayat 7 місяців тому +4

    That last checkmate was freakin unbelievable 😂 I will never ever see the solution to a puzzle like that

  • @brycepeddicord6763
    @brycepeddicord6763 7 місяців тому +4

    Magnus taking his first steps toward Bobby Fisher levels of paranoia

  • @DKintar
    @DKintar 7 місяців тому

    i wanna bring some attention to point in FIDE rules, where it says "ELECTRONIC" devices. If watch was analog, how it is under that rule?

  • @andreidima1576
    @andreidima1576 7 місяців тому

    That 6:30 analogy with Izzy v Pereira got me double checking what channel I’m watching. Love to see it ❤

  • @isaacbenrubi9613
    @isaacbenrubi9613 7 місяців тому +8

    These chess scandals really are a pain in the ass.
    ...Too soon?

  • @itsmefrancois6825
    @itsmefrancois6825 7 місяців тому +115

    Hi Levy,
    I just want to say thank you for your content. You are currently helping me through a hard time with a lot of anxiety. When I watch your videos I can actually relax and flew from the anxiety for the short time. It means a lot to me. Your kidness, happines and character spreads so much positivity which for sure not only me values a lot. Thank you

    • @OrchestralButterflie
      @OrchestralButterflie 7 місяців тому +3

      I just wanna say I'm in a similar boat myself. Eric Rosen may be another streamer/tuber to look into when you've memorized all of Levy's videos. Such a chill, soothing vibe.

    • @kevinperson2630
      @kevinperson2630 7 місяців тому +1

      W

    • @nikkuchiluveri5539
      @nikkuchiluveri5539 7 місяців тому +1

      W

    • @NoThanksblahhhh0751
      @NoThanksblahhhh0751 7 місяців тому +1

      Anna Cramling is digital Prozac with chess content if you haven’t watched her channel maybe give it a look?
      Hopefully I didn’t misspell her last name, but yeah she’s very positive and has a contagious laugh.

    • @parsphere6357
      @parsphere6357 7 місяців тому

      google en passant

  • @everettpeabody8024
    @everettpeabody8024 7 місяців тому +1

    I’m so glad Levy never would stoop to the level of clickbaiting us like other channels.

  • @ColinTimmins
    @ColinTimmins 7 місяців тому +1

    I agree, no watches and I would even introduce metal scanning for events that are important.

  • @adityag9199
    @adityag9199 7 місяців тому +120

    One more interesting thing that happened here was apparently Fedoseev leaving the playing hall with more than 1 hour on the clock and a completely lost position

    • @meekaboi
      @meekaboi 7 місяців тому +59

      Against a 2298 rated FM. Important detail.

    • @luisyfonsy711
      @luisyfonsy711 7 місяців тому +17

      @@meekaboi still completly unacceptable

    • @Joseph-nh6in
      @Joseph-nh6in 7 місяців тому +17

      @luisy
      Not unacceptable if it's an act of protest because he knows the FM is cheating.

    • @user-te7rf8ik7z
      @user-te7rf8ik7z 7 місяців тому

      @@luisyfonsy711He probbaly was very frustrated and wanted to leave asap

    • @Romans8-9
      @Romans8-9 7 місяців тому +47

      @@Joseph-nh6in So anytime u lose to a lower rated player, you can just accuse the opponent of cheating without evidence. That's utterly stupid, sorry.

  • @elijaharsenault
    @elijaharsenault 7 місяців тому +5

    The moment I saw Magnus’s tweet I would’ve bet my life savings this would be the next levy video. Turns out my money is safe

  • @noamlindell4530
    @noamlindell4530 7 місяців тому +1

    13:05 it says "not specifically approved by the arbitor"

  • @slayerbot36
    @slayerbot36 7 місяців тому +3

    When xqc was playing in the twitch tourney showed this is a glaring problem and other of the like. Enforce and run all the same rules cause uniformity is key.

  • @michaeldean6380
    @michaeldean6380 7 місяців тому +4

    So every time magnus gets embarrassed in competition the opponent is cheating. Got it.

  • @gertmolder791
    @gertmolder791 7 місяців тому +2

    Basicly the organizers were running on the first part of the regulation and probably didnt notice the anti cheating regs mentioned watches as a example since the first rule said it banned smart watches and the arbiter actually quoted that rather than the anti cheating regs. Its abit sad that magnus got tilted and played badly and his opponent actually played well enough to crush him and this is somewhat ruining this, cause defeating the best chess player in the world as a relativly new gm is a massive deal especially in classical chess.

  • @ta6847
    @ta6847 7 місяців тому +2

    Chess pro tip: trick Magnus into thinking you might be cheating and he'll self-destruct.

  • @Unitedstatesof135
    @Unitedstatesof135 7 місяців тому +3

    Bro is talking in 20m more than I can in 24hours

  • @haikofthegods
    @haikofthegods 7 місяців тому +6

    Completely savage if alisher gifts his watch to Magnus

  • @keysersoze9592
    @keysersoze9592 7 місяців тому +1

    There seems to be a theme now of magnus getting whooped and him not taking a loss like a man.

  • @American_Mike
    @American_Mike 7 місяців тому +1

    It would not be surprising to learn that local tournament organizers are MORE strict when it comes to anti-cheating than the big money tournaments.

  • @Feedmagoo92
    @Feedmagoo92 7 місяців тому +14

    Doesn't the handbook say "not specifically approved by the arbiter". - Magnus brought it up to the Arbiter, who said it was ok. Surely that means it's allowed because the Arbiter has approved it?

    • @ulissesjacob8502
      @ulissesjacob8502 7 місяців тому +1

      It says eletronic not a watch

    • @johnstahl3256
      @johnstahl3256 7 місяців тому +4

      ​@@ulissesjacob8502 Nah the handbook Levy shows in this video details watches as not being allowed, without implying that they must be electronic to be disallowed.

    • @YourLocalNihilist
      @YourLocalNihilist 7 місяців тому

      ​@@johnstahl3256yeah because every watch in chess games can whisper the best move for any possible position 👻👻

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому +3

      its not and the arbiter is at fault, the organization is nothing strict

  • @ayoxX
    @ayoxX 7 місяців тому +19

    The fact it's Already one year since the scandal is astonishing 😂

  • @brian6319
    @brian6319 7 місяців тому +1

    Without metal detectors or delay it's actually so easy to cheat. Hide a receiver anywhere and get moves transmitted by someone nearby.

  • @mauntern6688
    @mauntern6688 7 місяців тому +2

    I agree with Levy that at this level, the FIDE rules should be adhered to.
    It brings consistency.
    As this kind of thing has the potential to sour a great game.

  • @russellcraft7269
    @russellcraft7269 7 місяців тому +5

    I think the arbiter's position may be that the adjective "smart" applies to all three nouns, not just the first, so that only smart pens and smart watches are banned. English is a funny language.

    • @ulissesjacob8502
      @ulissesjacob8502 7 місяців тому +2

      but the first word was wallet so that doesnt make sense

    • @luisyfonsy711
      @luisyfonsy711 7 місяців тому

      ​@@ulissesjacob8502smart wallets is a common item lol.

  • @christopheralba7801
    @christopheralba7801 7 місяців тому +5

    Love your videos

  • @ilias2056
    @ilias2056 7 місяців тому

    hello can you make an video about middelgames i don't now what to do after my opening

  • @SimpleBilliards
    @SimpleBilliards 7 місяців тому

    Much like when I am playing in a pool tournament. if people are constantly walking behind me when i am shooting or the music is too loud so everyone has to yell to talk it completely tilts a guy.

  • @daexion
    @daexion 7 місяців тому +26

    Magnus is simply making excuses as to why he lost and is really just insulting his opponent with a back-handed compliment. "You played an excellent game, but I lost because I was distracted by your watch".

  • @Samsunaattori
    @Samsunaattori 7 місяців тому +104

    I think FIDE rulebook meant "No wallets, smart glasses, smart pens or smart watches", but it was simply written in withourt repeating the wordd smart. An extra hint is that pens obviously are allowed and used during matches, and the specification of the rule was under a rule about electronics, and analog watches do not use any electronics

    • @meron7700
      @meron7700 7 місяців тому +10

      Wtf are smart pens?

    • @user-cl8lf1wm8b
      @user-cl8lf1wm8b 7 місяців тому +25

      @@meron7700 they can speak. For themselfs

    • @le_sebasti4723
      @le_sebasti4723 7 місяців тому +11

      If the FIDE rule had meant smartwatches, we would've seen smartwatches being written. It's that simple.

    • @SoneNando
      @SoneNando 7 місяців тому +7

      It wasn't, it was under "other fair play violations". Also, how can there be a smart wallet or pen?

    • @IRCIsaac
      @IRCIsaac 7 місяців тому +11

      Whether that's what they originally intended or not, this does seem like a valid interpretation of the grammar.

  • @jmwolos6729
    @jmwolos6729 7 місяців тому +2

    “TAKE THE DAMN WATCH OFF”-Levy Rozman 15:45

  • @Chickenchu
    @Chickenchu 7 місяців тому

    19:10 CD? CDeez nuts!!!

  • @devOsiris
    @devOsiris 7 місяців тому +19

    Being a Kazakh, I am very glad that Alisher showed such a level of play and our country is developing in terms of chess. I will root for my country. Thank you Levy! 🇰🇿

  • @MistaOppritunity
    @MistaOppritunity 7 місяців тому +14

    My question is, What is the difference between someone potentially having a cheating device in their watch that they are wearing on the wrist, and having a cheating device hidden on their person? Feels to me like if someone wanted to cheat, banning the watch wouldn't really hinder that at all.

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому

      As it is easier to cheat with a watch I suppose, other methodology is hard to pull off

    • @dwightPhoenix
      @dwightPhoenix 7 місяців тому

      Very good point man

    • @dwightPhoenix
      @dwightPhoenix 7 місяців тому +1

      ​@@valiantwarrior1988why is it easier?

    • @valiantwarrior1988
      @valiantwarrior1988 7 місяців тому +1

      @@dwightPhoenix watches are more readily available and quite a common thing, anal bears on the other hand do tell me where to find them. This case however is different, as he didn't cheat but it was distracting for Magnus since wearing a watch is against the rules and when he told arbiter about it the arbiter didn't act on it which must've annoyed Magnus since he has ego

    • @MistaOppritunity
      @MistaOppritunity 7 місяців тому

      watches might be readily available, but they aren't created for the purpose of cheating at chess. The person cheating would still need to create a cheating device and hide it somewhere regardless, whether it was the watch or someplace else.@@valiantwarrior1988

  • @a.r.9822
    @a.r.9822 7 місяців тому +1

    I never thought flexing a diamond watch against magnus would be super effective against him during a game.

  • @omarz2145
    @omarz2145 7 місяців тому

    Hello? No mention of the ring he was wearing? Smart rings are becoming increasingly commonplace now. When I saw the clip of him with the watch my eyes immediately went to the ring because it looked very similar to a smart ring I saw an ad for.

  • @builderphill1361
    @builderphill1361 7 місяців тому +58

    When you're in a lying competition and your opponent is a gothamchess title 😂

    • @kefrov
      @kefrov 7 місяців тому +1

      Lmfao

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 7 місяців тому +33

    13:48 To me that FITE handbook rule means smart watches not watches in general, as it says "smart glasses, pens, watches" like they are triplet of smart devices they are referring to, not just one. Because if it means watches in general that would mean pens in general are illegal, which is obviously nonsensical unless they think your plan is to st ab your opponent with it to cheat.

    • @craigbyrne6186
      @craigbyrne6186 7 місяців тому +6

      It also says gadgets, common sense tells you it has to be digital or electronic to be a gadget

    • @JJ-zr6fu
      @JJ-zr6fu 7 місяців тому +6

      It means
      smart glasses
      Pens
      Watches
      You can hide a lot in a pen and watch

    • @karimek10
      @karimek10 7 місяців тому +5

      ​@@JJ-zr6fuWell pens are absolutely allowed

    • @philipchouliaras5879
      @philipchouliaras5879 7 місяців тому +17

      @@karimek10 No they are not. Players dont bring their own pens lol

    • @chrisoliver4663
      @chrisoliver4663 7 місяців тому

      If they meant smart watches they should specify smart watches, the wording however just says watches.

  • @mauer1
    @mauer1 7 місяців тому +1

    26:00 the player threaten us with a repition of moves is such a cool line

  • @Cruiz0123
    @Cruiz0123 7 місяців тому

    It says "not specifically approved by the arbiter of the venue" and what did the arbiter of the venue say? Why wasn't that addressed?

  • @fryderyksadocha8044
    @fryderyksadocha8044 7 місяців тому +9

    I mean, I could see someone on youtube make a watch that looked like analog, where the "hour arrow" would point at a rank and the "minute arrow" would point at the file. This would be used to either show the position of a piece that would be best to move, or to show a position where some kind of piece must move to. So while I believe there wasn't any cheating, it certainly is possible that the watch which would look like analog could potentially help to choose best moves

    • @itsasecret2298
      @itsasecret2298 7 місяців тому +4

      A subtle vibrating mechanism would be a lot less conspicuous than the hands on the watch jumping around and the player having to constantly look at it.

    • @YourLocalNihilist
      @YourLocalNihilist 7 місяців тому +1

      Magnus meat riders are next level conspiracy theorists

    • @fryderyksadocha8044
      @fryderyksadocha8044 7 місяців тому

      @@YourLocalNihilist I just say that it was a technical possibility. However as I said, no one would dare to cheat against Magnus after that big scandal with Hans.

    • @fryderyksadocha8044
      @fryderyksadocha8044 7 місяців тому

      @@itsasecret2298 true, true. You could also combine two mechanisms, the vibrations would tell you which piece to move and the arrows to which square that piece is going, or viceversa

    • @YourLocalNihilist
      @YourLocalNihilist 7 місяців тому

      @@fryderyksadocha8044 "no one would dare cheat against Magnus", Magnus almost got sued after that scandal, what are you on 💀

  • @dr.bogenbroom894
    @dr.bogenbroom894 7 місяців тому +20

    I think it wouldn't be hard to design a device to wear inside a shoe that was connected to an engine and gave the user the engine move as a sequence of "tics" given that the position could be sent to the engine somehow. I'm sure if there were a competition for cheating devices we would see some crazy stuff

  • @nmw_nerk
    @nmw_nerk 7 місяців тому

    Open air concept smothered mate was a good one

  • @JakeyBaby0
    @JakeyBaby0 7 місяців тому

    This whole video was a roller coaster ride of games, especially the knight alley-oop in the final game!

  • @pwndnoob4937
    @pwndnoob4937 7 місяців тому +1

    Can someone clarify the "pen" portion. When players are to record the moves, do they always use pencils or something?

    • @ulissesjacob8502
      @ulissesjacob8502 7 місяців тому +1

      Its simple they just use the one in the table waiting for them!

  • @razinmuntasir6817
    @razinmuntasir6817 7 місяців тому +6

    What i don't understand is people like Hikaru, Fabiano,Ian , ding , Anish ,Alireza struggle to play n win against magnus and I don't understand how Magnus manages to lose against people 300 points lower than him.

    • @HereCharlieRules
      @HereCharlieRules 7 місяців тому +10

      Everybody has a bad day

    • @TrueMr.Quinn1
      @TrueMr.Quinn1 7 місяців тому +8

      Because he has experience with those said players, he knows more or less how they play and operate. As opposed to a lot of these younger people who he is playing for the first time or just started playing them for a 2nd or third time

    • @andymenke
      @andymenke 7 місяців тому +1

      Possibly a lack of respect for his opponent from Magnus?

    • @DrakoLykoi
      @DrakoLykoi 7 місяців тому

      Magnus isn't the only player struggling with 2500s. The top pool playing the same opponents become overrated in part they begin to become weaker when not playing in open tournaments.

    • @titan2540
      @titan2540 7 місяців тому

      dont know much about chess, but id imagine magnus plays ~2800 players less frequently than he does ~2500 players, so he's probably a lot more likely to underestimate / underprep against players from the latter group.

  • @roastghost901
    @roastghost901 7 місяців тому +2

    As a fellow human being (allegedly), I get it. Other people not following established rules that you're used to can put you on tilt pretty easily, and Magnus was right to acknowledge it has own failing. It is weird that the "no watches" rule isn't being enforced in this post-Hans era though. Just ask the guy to put it in his pocket.

  • @robrick9361
    @robrick9361 7 місяців тому +2

    Alisher sounds like a bully at a private prep school.

  • @PurpleHazeVanNederlands
    @PurpleHazeVanNederlands 7 місяців тому +2

    the only honest way to beat Magnus now is to play completely naked with a colonoscopy cam up your arse because otherwise he’s already composing the tweet he’s going to send to ruin your career once the game is over.

  • @JamesArcherWeddings
    @JamesArcherWeddings 7 місяців тому +3

    I love how chess players always use words like "throwing shade at Alisher's BRILLIANCY today" and things like "chess GENIUS". They never say skill, or talent, because they are so obsessed with the idea of chess being some kind of grand display of a person's intelligence when in reality it's the same as every other talent in life; you practice, memorize, get good, and you win. Just like playing darts or anything else.

    • @ammonquitalig9077
      @ammonquitalig9077 7 місяців тому

      agree

    • @Asowlif2
      @Asowlif2 7 місяців тому

      you can't compare it to other sports... It would be just like saying math is a sport.

    • @JamesArcherWeddings
      @JamesArcherWeddings 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Asowlif2 tell me how you practice chess and how you practice a sport, and then explain me the difference in the process.

    • @Asowlif2
      @Asowlif2 7 місяців тому

      I mean I practice chess by playing it a lot, reading books about theories. I practice cooking by cooking a lot and reading cooking books. I practice maths by doing a lot of maths questions and by reading the theories. and the same is to be said for sport.@@JamesArcherWeddings

    • @JamesArcherWeddings
      @JamesArcherWeddings 7 місяців тому +1

      @@Asowlif2 so we agree. Everyone's happy

  • @barryweaver8833
    @barryweaver8833 7 місяців тому +3

    If you beat Magnus then you must be cheating, but he doesn't want to be in big big trouble LOL.

  • @zacc1051
    @zacc1051 7 місяців тому

    At the start of the video i saw a chess helper add and i thought it was part of the video

  • @siddharthannandhakumar6187
    @siddharthannandhakumar6187 7 місяців тому

    "Sorry for the light mode"!! Wow Levy you know the audience very well !!
    I'm watching the video in dark before going to sleep and that slide was indeed too bright. Brilliant!! Youtubing

  • @samweII
    @samweII 7 місяців тому +10

    Let's all be real, Magnus is clearly moving out of his prime

    • @NicolaBarbaro956
      @NicolaBarbaro956 7 місяців тому

      bro won world and european cup

    • @samweII
      @samweII 7 місяців тому

      @@NicolaBarbaro956 true, he's won almost every single major event, I think. Howeverr he's not as good as he was before, but he is still the best tho