Polish army officers: "We have driven the Soviets back". "Let us make a peace treaty with them to show how non-greedy capitalists can be". Really, Poland??? Why didn't you support the white movement?? *expects no answer*
swiss Man 17 well. What would they get fron it? Russians were clear they would not trade land for military help.But of course Piłsudski should have done something, at least reconquer tge lost land.
swiss Man 17 "Fine, I guess we should annex like half of Ukraine and more of Belarus or something... or just sit there not being Greater Westslavonia"-Polish Officers
Arturo Cevallos Soto Yah, the world actually lost one of the least % of its people in the last century. Case in point: the Roman empire lost 5% of their population against Hannibal alone, which is about the % Germany lost in ww2, militarily speaking.
Jack Hawk The 19th Century was also incredibly bloody what with Napoleon, US Civil War, South American colonial rebellions, Taiping Rebellion, and European conquests in Africa and IndoChina/East Indies.
***** I used various Russian websites explaining the events and routes of the White Movement/Bolsheviks/Triple Entente, my own Atlas of World History, and these maps: maps.omniatlas.com/russia/
***** Oh, trust me, it's even more complicated than this video shows. If I had shown all separate white movements (such as the Czechoslovak Legion) The war would look even more messed up.
+The Pottstick We in Russia are at school and at university learned mostly just political part of the Civil War. Military action is almost not taught because it's FUCKING LOONY BIN ! ! !
+Archivator-RUS That's the case in most situations. They just go causes-consequences and completely skip the actual war, I find it incredibly boring when they do that. It's more interesting to look at operation Barbarossa animated in a map than reading the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
Nortarus Firehand Anarchist Makhno has agreement with russian communist to conquer Crimea. If he would did it communists allow him to have some territory to form anarchistic state in the south of Ukraine. But after his army conquer Crimea it was destroyed by communists from rearward. Only small groups and Makhno himself escaped death. It was the end of anarchists the deal with communist destroyed anarchist army and after several attempts to form new one Makhno was badly injured and escaped from Ukraine.
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Germany was almost completely stripped of their military when it was signed and fell into poverty not long after. I think it was because of how weak they were that help the Bolsheviks. But maybe it's just me being stupid again.
@@pinochets1fan177 Germany, despite being behind the revolution and Bolsheviks rising in power, supported some White armies with money, weapons and equipment (Bermondt-Avalov's army, Krasnov's army, the Drozdovtsy and some others).
If it wasn't for the Bolsheviks winning the civil war, Russia would never have been able to beat Nazi Germany. The white movement was very divided among itself. The only uniting factor was "we're not Bolsheviks". If they won, Russia would've been split into dozens of smaller nations, many having conflicting ideologies. This isn't even mentioning that the big industrialization and advancement that the Soviets made would never have occurred and Russia would've still been pretty backwards military-wise. It would've been a cake-walk for Nazi Germany and they probably would've made it to Siberia.
Meanwhile, one of the main factors the Nazis were allowed to exist and expand were the Bolsheviks. The Allies were afraid of them much more than the weakened Germany, it was meant to be a buffer and counterweight against Soviet Russia. Only after the Nazis proved to be unexpectedly dangerous were the Allies forced to form an alliance with the USSR.
Михаил Алексеев it’s crazy how the ideologies of communism and liberalism would ally themselves against fascism in the 30s and 40s, but now it seems fascism and liberalism ally themselves against communism
@@MrAtlfan21 "now...fascism and liberalism ally against communism"But where do you see communism now? Russia is not communist country. The ideology of modern Russia is the mix of socialism, Orthodoxy, monarchism etc. What another country are communist now? North Кorea? But it is not the World Power
@@MrAtlfan21 They had no choice, we would ally with anyone when faced with imminent death. By the way, Germany and the USSR cooperated until 1941, they even divided Poland together in 1939. They had one thing in common - they were outcasts.
влад луков no I mean in general since WW2, like how the US overthrew socialist governments in Nicaragua, Chile, Honduras, Grenada, Panama, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, Panama, and Guatemala in favor of far right dictatorships
+GamesLegitament Nope. If the others won russia would never industrialize and move forwards. They would be even more backwards than the US today, just poorer.
GamesLegitament The US is also responsible of millions of deaths. Religion is something to get rid of. The supression of culture in the USSR was not nearly as brutal as in Mao's China.
Even if they had taken Moscow, they wouldn't have been able to hold it for a long time, since the Bolsheviks were becoming more powerful throughout the country, and the anarchists would've been pushed back soon, so it wouldn't have changed much
Great job! Thanks for putting the complex border flow on all fronts in one easy map! Really appreciate the effort, being somewhat of a Russian Civil War enthusiast myself. The only comment I had is in regards to 1922 developments in Primorye region. Even though there were evacuations that Summer. The Japanese didn't pull out of the region until September. Vladivostok and southern Primorye were not taken by the Reds from the White General Diterikhs until October 25th 1922.
Jack Griffin George Havenhand Actually there a lots of groups that forms the Communist in the Russian Revolution, there were mostly Bolshevik and also Mencheviks, the major difference between them is that the Bolsheviks wanted a dictatorship, and the Mencheviks wanted a democracy. The Mencheviks forms some soviets (some sort of local parliament leads by the people), but at the end, the Mencheviks were exterminate, and the soviets died with them. And the idea of a Direct Democracy also.
@@simpleman4215 Comparing to the era of Tsarist Russia, more people were educated and healthcare was better. More houses were also built, and the country became more industrialised. However we cannot deny the deaths that were caused in the early days by Stalin's desire to industrialise the country rapidly.
@@taygadesign I was going to answer you but you do It yourself at the end of the comment. Also Tsarist Russia was ended by the time Bolsheviks took the power, they did the coup d'etat against the duma, not against the Tzar.
Frankly, Kerensky was probably Russia's only chance, and bloody Lenin had to go and ruin something that had worked better in eight months than the Romanovs had in three centuries. Bloody Lenin.
the key to the Bolshevik victory in the civil war was maintaining the control of the heavily industrialized west. The reds held a smaller land mass with large cities with factories and armories. On the other hand the whites held a greater area of Russia but the land they occupied was generally wilderness, small peasant farms, scrub land and swamps. This meant that there were far more means to produce income for the reds, whilst the whites on the other hand (at points in the war) had to rely solely on donations from foreign powers. Also the reds aggressive "war communism" policy which led to the deaths of thousands from starvation and the "Cheka" secret police kept the population servile and in fear of the red authority. 20/20 on my essay on the Russian civil war last year :D
You are a good scholar. Bolsheviks were smart as fucks. To take over St. Petersburg with such a small power and then infect everyone with communism - the Devil complains about them right now.
The main problem of Bolshevik forces were that all fuel-Rich regions were controlled by Whites and because of this the Bolshevik fabrics were stagnated. All of cities under Bolshevik control were starving, because all the black-soiled regions were controlled by White Movement. The white movement was more anarchious (Denikin did not help either Yudenich or Kolchak) and their propoganda was weak. About "War communism" - it caused some rebellions in Kronshtadt among sailors(which had sturmed Winter Palace in 1917) and was quite uneffective and reactionary. Lenin then changed it into "НЭП"(New Economic Policy). The biggest winning forces of Red Movement was the youth. "Комсомол"(Young Communistic League) was one of the motive forces for the Bolsheviks. They fighted at the front, did any job for the Idea, "by naked enthusiasm". You can contact me for more information if you will
+Robert Edwin Hause Thanks for trying to correct the original poster who was a total idiot. Maybe it's a 20/20 essay when your teacher also has a very shallow knowledge
Alexander Platypus well it's a total disaster, when you try to make a project about Russian Civil War without native knowledge. Only Russian can tell about difference between Lenin and Trotsky, Denikin, Yudenich, Kolchak and Vrangel. Also I sure, that guy doesn't a word about Makhno and his anarhists or why did Lenin stopped using a theory of "international revolutionary flame" after defeat in soviet-polish war (1920). This theme still has got lots of secret documents, untold stories and causes lots of questions in post-USSR society.
A perfect example of the Russian Empire's logic: "Nearly the whole country occupied and in risk of falling into a near totallitarian communist regime?" "Better invade Mongolia"
Brainwashed as they are. "totallitarian communist regime"; So the monarchy was not a totalitarian regime, you think? I am wondering, those who talk about communism, totalitarianism, socialism and so on, generally understand the meaning of these words? Probably not.
''So the Monarchy was not a totalitarian regime, you think?'' No one ever said that Monarchy was not totalitarian, but the Monarchy was dead by that point, and it doesn't change the fact that Communism is a cancer - it refuses to die and keeps on growing.
+Gallo 4 East Francia>Holy Roman Empire(Prussia also)>Confederation of the Rhine/Prussia>German Union(And Prussia)>North German Union(Prussia as leader)>German Empire>Weimar Republic>Nazi Germany>West Germany/East Germany>Modern Germany
+Gary Busususaurus Things did get a lot better once rebuilding took place actually. Remember there is still a ton of lies and ignorance about the USSR around the world. There is no incentive for countries to tell the positives about their enemy
In the fall of 1919 did the Red Army really rapidly advance across Siberia hundreds of miles from the Trans-Siberian railroad or was that mainly the local folks switching sides?
Partisan-driven Soviet uprising in Yakutia. There was no Red Army, it was moving along railroad to Irkutsk where main White leader Kolchak was captured soon, and buffer Far Eastern Republic was established to avoid direct Soviet-Japanese confrontation over remaining cossack separatist states.
Liberī Philosophus He had the same ideals as Marx. He just believed that in order to achieve true communism, there needed to be a revolution and that the revolution needed to be led by a vanguard party.
reading the comments about the USSR, I understand. If you want to collect a bunch of likes, say that the USSR was shit, hell on earth. If you want to get a lot of insults, tell us about what the USSR has done. The positive aspects that the Bolsheviks brought.
I have to say this explains The Russian Civil War better than anything else I have ever read or seen I have to say very good job Soumi! Also I am guessing you are Russian and if so where in Russia are you from? Novosibirsk Oblast, Moscow, Rostov Oblast, or St. Petersburg.... etc. Also thanks again for another amazing video this must have taken you a lot of time to put together!
***** Otto Köster No, you're both wrong. The war ended in 1918, not to mention, the bolsheviks had already signed a peace treaty with Germany much earlier. The RSFSR Still held all the important major industries and productions centers in russia and thus they were the only ones that really could continue going.
In the Civil War I would have definitely supported the Bolsheviks, but ever since the incident at Kronstadt it's understandable why many of its previous supporters opted out or at least became disappointed in Lenin. They warned Lenin that he had too much power and that a vanguard party will lead to oppression and a dictatorship of a single man or people who have hidden interests, but the paranoia Lenin developed after assassination attempts were made on him made him hold on to his power like it was a matter of life and death. While Lenin still had his intellect to prevent him from going way too far with his power, his paranoia was passed down to the aggressive brute known as Stalin who was a complete psychopath. He became the influence of Mao and other Asian Communist movements. Damn, so many things went wrong. It's really depressing for a Communist sympathizer like myself to see how every Communist movement was either suppressed by an outside force or disintegrated from forces within.
Noticable mistakes (I will say one): Fightings and offensives couln't be held in Central and Northern Siberia and Kamchatka. There are forests and snows only. Fightings were only in Southern Siberia, Primorye and in some territories of Yakutia.
really nice man, i really like how you included parts of the heimosodat. even so i would really like to see a more detailed timeline of the heimosodat, sad thing is that not many people know about this events and they are preattty important for the baltic history
The finnish reds weren't bolsheviks. They had good relations with them, yes, but were a separate entity. It' quite silly to include them. Likewise, how the hell was the republic of Finland part of the white movement?
***** That doesn't change the fact that they weren't a part of the russian white government. Also, calling them Белофинны doesn't necessarily imply they were a part of the russian whites. Calling rightists "whites" and leftist "reds" was a common thing at that time.
Yelsä Vidaravskaja The Kinship Wars were private incursions from Finland by volunteers, and by local karelian insurgents, and were not facilitated by the white finnish government.
it was split between Germany and Russia until Lenin made peace with the Kaiser and Poland was recognised, but the majority of Poland was under Russian rule. As for that 1 major victory it was agaisnt eh Soviet Union when they tried to reclaim old territory
+Nortarus Firehand had they just been a little more successful they would've liberated Ukraine like they originally planned and prevented the forceful starvation of millions of Ukrainians and Tartars😞
The beginning of the October Revolution and the Civil war is the most tragic day in the whole history of Russia.
9 років тому+11
Yes but not for Russians only for Rotschild
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Why do you think so? Russia was poorest part of Europe with almost no industry before Stalin. BTW 2nd world war backs Russia where it was before him thats true..
The Bolsheviks lost any claim to be "fighting for the people" after they abolished the the legislature because they didn't win a majority. That's the main reason the Left SR (who were themselves revolutionary socialists) joined the White Movement; they realized the Bolsheviks had lost their claim to democratic legitimacy.
+That Guy From Kentucky They were not really alive anymore.... but whatever floats your boat if you actually think the Whites were anything but Monarchists, Fascists, anti semites, and oppressors... I got a bridge to sell ya in NJ
Stalin was paranoid during the Great Purge. Unfortunately, Stalin thought that Hitler won't betray him. The Soviet Union wasn't prepared enough, so they let the Germans getting exhausted, then they struck back. And Stalin thought that Hitler faked his death.
I guess there was no point in defending them. It wouldn't have been possible for the Whites to set up a country-in-exile there like the Chinese Nationalists did with Taiwan. They're just frozen wastelands.
+☭Leninist Soviet Comrade☭ Nope i exactly Know that cocommunists are like terrorists. Lenin was the beginning of that terrorism. Stalin was even worse. Until 1990 communists killed about 60 million people. Not in wars.
Mr President Thats right. Daboru No nation in the world were communist. Only socialist... like USSR.(Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics). North-Korea = "Stalinism" PR China = Capitalism (City) + Socialism and and and....
I found it also interesting to read the civil war part of the Soviet Unions history.I dont know if it's totally accurate, but Suomi did write that not all movements of troops are mentioned here. On reading my opinion was that the Bosheviks had a pretty lucky timing on the foreign policy events before the Revolution started and partly also afterwards. E.g. German Empire having invaded Lithuania so Britans didn't want to land there on supporting the "Russian Republic". Latter on the leaving of war from Germany (can be seen here to) made the Reds gain most of the territory Germany had in the east at the ending of 1918. Curiously you can also find out that Britain forced Germany to remain troops in Lithuania until Treaty of Versailles was signed (the Allies didn't have own troops there).All in all it was Long time unclear who would win the Reds or Whites. Another interesting event was that the USA didn't allow a big Intervention by the allies(cant remember the reason but probably the Allies were war-weary after WWI)althought Britain wanted to Support the Whites furthermore.And Zarizyn (today Wolgograd) played an very important role in many failed attemps of the Whites to retake Petrograd or Moscow. The defending of Zarizyn which had a very very important railway connection to the capital Moscow(before the Revolution started actually Petrograd was capital but they moved it) and Petrograd the two most important cities for the Revolution was also important. Found the Video very interesting, cause ist another Thing seeing the changing of territory on a map. Bolsheviks were a bit lucky and had also the effects of the Revolution on there sides. I say that because the red army wasn't that strong in the civil war years (got also defeated by Poland in 1920) compared to latter. But thats why you call its civil war, its a bloody war in the own Country with the citizens killing each outer. And your very lucky when its over and you survived it.
Was going to give you shit about your spelling of the word "disastrous" but then I saw the name Suomi and realized English is probably your third or fourth language after Finnish, and probably Swedish and Russian.
Festined Productions The majority of the railway is in Siberia, arguably Vladivostok is too, and have you ever been to Manchuria? Not a hot place at all.
One thing I’d like to mention is a more accurate title for this video would be the Russian Revolution. The Russian Civil War only refers to the period from 1918 onwards, the Russian Revolution refers to the 1917 revolutions as well as the civil war.
Gismo 359 The IDEA sounds good, but this is why communism can't work. The people simply won't work hard enough. When the CEO of microsoft gets the same pay as leonardo from mcdonalds for having a much easier job, do you think the CEO of microsoft will want to work at a job like that, or even work at all? after all, he can put in MUCH less effort and get paid the same.
Aлександар Поповић Actually, the USA sent troops in Russia (Kola and Transbaikalia) to support the White russians against the Reds and prevent japanese expansionism
Shogo5000 The British would have approved of the Japanese as they were allied to share China between them.Good information as war between Japan Britain versus the US for control of East Asia. Britain would support anyone against Russia.They still do! Not the workers I might add as they struck to prevent arms going against the Bolsheviki.
No, it wasn't from the time Germans occupied it first during the war and as an independent state from 11.11.1918'. Keeping Rzeczpospolita of 1920' when we were fighting war ended with battle of Warsaw and Niemen as "white movement" is totally unpropriate.
DarkShadow64 *sighs* So many people dont know what the soviet union was it was a failed attempt at communism, a successful communism is (or would be) great! But unfortunately the soviet union failed
@@batistapk It may not have been as large, but it was a defining moment of the Revolution. It convinced Lenin to shift away from War Communism and begin the New Economic Policy, which it what divided the party between Trotsky, Stalin, and others. The end of Kronstadt also crushed any chance for democratic socialism in the USSR.
@@LuxLoser you are right, the Kronstadt uprising was part of the civil war, but perhaps the author decided to show the main stage of the civil war, that is, the confrontation between the "white" and "red" armies.
Aлександар Поповић It was kind of too late already, Bolshevik was an idea at this point, and they would win whether it took 3 civil wars. The battle was lost before the war even begun.
"Sir, we're quite badly losing this conflict, what are we going to do??"
"Conquer Mongolia"
Polish army officers:
"We have driven the Soviets back". "Let us make a peace treaty with them to show how non-greedy capitalists can be". Really, Poland??? Why didn't you support the white movement??
*expects no answer*
swiss Man 17 well. What would they get fron it? Russians were clear they would not trade land for military help.But of course Piłsudski should have done something, at least reconquer tge lost land.
Dominik Zuba
Yeah, okay. It just seemed odd to me, that Poland would give up after they had beaten them back.^^
swiss Man 17 "Fine, I guess we should annex like half of Ukraine and more of Belarus or something... or just sit there not being Greater Westslavonia"-Polish Officers
"Mongolia's gonna be my Man-Cave."-Sternberg
I didn't know the Soviet Union had access to super Mario galaxy at the time...
thats how they won the war, they were more skilled at super mario galaxy
But it technicaly was the Russian ssfr.
They lost Mario galaxy when they became the ussr.
20th century itself was the bloodiest in all human history
Jack Hawk Because there were more people.
Arturo Cevallos Soto Yah, the world actually lost one of the least % of its people in the last century. Case in point: the Roman empire lost 5% of their population against Hannibal alone, which is about the % Germany lost in ww2, militarily speaking.
Jack Hawk The 19th Century was also incredibly bloody what with Napoleon, US Civil War, South American colonial rebellions, Taiping Rebellion, and European conquests in Africa and IndoChina/East Indies.
Jack Hawk Who knows what horrors await us in the 21st century...
It's because more people were bleeding.
Good job Suomi. You'll have to tell me the sources you used sometime. They seemed very detailed.
***** I used various Russian websites explaining the events and routes of the White Movement/Bolsheviks/Triple Entente, my own Atlas of World History, and these maps: maps.omniatlas.com/russia/
***** Omniatlas isn't usually an accurate source completely, no. I personally don't use it.
i am a fan of your videos EmperorTigerstar,they are fantastic and accurate
Eoghan Neville You're too lazy to read the description.
Eoghan Neville Read The Descrpition! To know the music
Damn this war is way more complicated than I first thought. I may need a few months to wrap my head around it.
***** Oh, trust me, it's even more complicated than this video shows. If I had shown all separate white movements (such as the Czechoslovak Legion) The war would look even more messed up.
+The Pottstick
We in Russia are at school and at university learned mostly just political part of the Civil War.
Military action is almost not taught because it's FUCKING LOONY BIN ! ! !
+☭Suomi★ Amazing
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+Archivator-RUS That's the case in most situations. They just go causes-consequences and completely skip the actual war, I find it incredibly boring when they do that. It's more interesting to look at operation Barbarossa animated in a map than reading the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact.
Suomi, please add mughan soviet republic (South Azerbaijan)
Still better than Tigestarian's video.
1. Low speed
2. Beautiful and comfortable design
3. Very correct
4. Amazing soundtrack
I agree. While Tigerstar's was more accurate, this is easier to follow, especially thanks to the information text throughout.
who is tigestarian?
Wished this one included the Green armies.
Schützengrabenvernichtungspanzerkraftwagen He meant EmperorTigerstar. He is doing video's just like Suomi. But with a other kind of style.
Yep
1921 Anarchists... oh... they're still alive?
+Eduard White They'll never die
+Eduard White Ukraine
Greece
+Eduard White I wonder what they were doing there in Crimea, perhaps they were trying to figure out how to Anarchy...?
Nortarus Firehand
Anarchist Makhno has agreement with russian communist to conquer Crimea. If he would did it communists allow him to have some territory to form anarchistic state in the south of Ukraine. But after his army conquer Crimea it was destroyed by communists from rearward. Only small groups and Makhno himself escaped death. It was the end of anarchists the deal with communist destroyed anarchist army and after several attempts to form new one Makhno was badly injured and escaped from Ukraine.
2:54 when you leave one province undefended in HOI4
2:48: So close! Just one more great push!
3:00: CURSES!
So what the difference its make between white took over Russia?
Ryan lex What?
EnergyKnife I meant what the differences between "White movement".
Ryan lex The White movement was a group of counterrevolutionaries who fought the communist red movement.
EnergyKnife Yeah I know but what happen if the "white movement won" or difference?
I like that you showed the Finnish civil war aswell, nice touch :)
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Hahaha my phone always does crazy shit in my pocket *****
Okay then that is something funny I just read in the comments about a devastating civil war.
2.55 USSR be like "Treaty of Versailles signed? Time to activate HULK mode."
Desmond Ng what benefits did the Treaty of Versailles give to the Bolsheviks?
Germany was almost completely stripped of their military when it was signed and fell into poverty not long after. I think it was because of how weak they were that help the Bolsheviks. But maybe it's just me being stupid again.
@@pinochets1fan177 Germany, despite being behind the revolution and Bolsheviks rising in power, supported some White armies with money, weapons and equipment (Bermondt-Avalov's army, Krasnov's army, the Drozdovtsy and some others).
Le Croisé Blanc they also conquered the Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine, and the Caucasus before they surrendered
@@fahoodie1852 Those were the lands that Germany gained by Brest-Litovsk peace treaty signed by Bolsheviks, so there's nothing surprising about that.
The Trans-Siberian railway didn't go all the way to St. Petersburg. It reached from Moscow to Vladivostok.
LordCucumber Correct. But there was also an important railway between St. Petersburg and Moscow which also played an important role during the war.
LordCucumber Nope. The Trans-Siberian railway itself began in Miass, not in Moscow.
Wrong idiot! Anglos justo spitting sit about what they dont know
Who else remembers watching this when they were younger?
Me 😅
SMG Bowser music? I'm not complaining.
Alex M. kewl
Great video
Joseph Stalin Thank you!
Joseph Stalin approves.
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The polish front movements are inaccurate - Poland advanced into central Ukraine and took Kiev in may 1920. This is not depicted.
Did anybody else notice the super Mario galaxy music?
yes
Super mario galaxy music? Awsome!
Молодцы Суоми!!! Продолжайте в том же духе)))
If it wasn't for the Bolsheviks winning the civil war, Russia would never have been able to beat Nazi Germany. The white movement was very divided among itself. The only uniting factor was "we're not Bolsheviks". If they won, Russia would've been split into dozens of smaller nations, many having conflicting ideologies. This isn't even mentioning that the big industrialization and advancement that the Soviets made would never have occurred and Russia would've still been pretty backwards military-wise. It would've been a cake-walk for Nazi Germany and they probably would've made it to Siberia.
Meanwhile, one of the main factors the Nazis were allowed to exist and expand were the Bolsheviks. The Allies were afraid of them much more than the weakened Germany, it was meant to be a buffer and counterweight against Soviet Russia. Only after the Nazis proved to be unexpectedly dangerous were the Allies forced to form an alliance with the USSR.
Михаил Алексеев it’s crazy how the ideologies of communism and liberalism would ally themselves against fascism in the 30s and 40s, but now it seems fascism and liberalism ally themselves against communism
@@MrAtlfan21 "now...fascism and liberalism ally against communism"But where do you see communism now? Russia is not communist country. The ideology of modern Russia is the mix of socialism, Orthodoxy, monarchism etc. What another country are communist now? North Кorea? But it is not the World Power
@@MrAtlfan21 They had no choice, we would ally with anyone when faced with imminent death. By the way, Germany and the USSR cooperated until 1941, they even divided Poland together in 1939. They had one thing in common - they were outcasts.
влад луков no I mean in general since WW2, like how the US overthrew socialist governments in Nicaragua, Chile, Honduras, Grenada, Panama, Brazil, Argentina, Haiti, Panama, and Guatemala in favor of far right dictatorships
"You can build a throne of bayonets, but you can't sit on it for very long"
-Leonid Brezhnev
Sindri Myr you ignorant dumbass, these words belong to Alexander II!
@@marluxia8832 as far as i can tell these are Napoleon's words
Sindri Myr before your butt gets bloody
@@servantofvaria626 No these words are Boris Yeltsin's words
@@kayrakaya4858 these words are mine.
do the skyrim civil war
Wrong side won this war.
+GamesLegitament Nope. If the others won russia would never industrialize and move forwards. They would be even more backwards than the US today, just poorer.
Adrian Schreiber But the communists were brutal and killed millions of Russians and suppressed Russia's culture and religion for nearly a century.
GamesLegitament The US is also responsible of millions of deaths. Religion is something to get rid of. The supression of culture in the USSR was not nearly as brutal as in Mao's China.
Adrian Schreiber The US is responsible for millions of deaths, but not on it's own people.
GamesLegitament The results were still better than what the US gets out of terrorism in the middle east.
I wonder how history would've been different if the anarchists had taken Moscow.
Nathan Campbell seeing how anti authoritarian the anarchists were maybe the world would be a better place
Nathan Campbell freeeeeaking yes
Even if they had taken Moscow, they wouldn't have been able to hold it for a long time, since the Bolsheviks were becoming more powerful throughout the country, and the anarchists would've been pushed back soon, so it wouldn't have changed much
They would still lose because it's Russia.
@@Kriegter He said anarchist russians
Amazing Suomi. I was waiting for this video very long. Great job
Peter Ridilla Thanks!
np ☭Suomi★ ,great like always :)
☭Suomi★ Are you socialist, Suomi?
Great job! Thanks for putting the complex border flow on all fronts in one easy map! Really appreciate the effort, being somewhat of a Russian Civil War enthusiast myself. The only comment I had is in regards to 1922 developments in Primorye region. Even though there were evacuations that Summer. The Japanese didn't pull out of the region until September. Vladivostok and southern Primorye were not taken by the Reds from the White General Diterikhs until October 25th 1922.
You even got the detail with the Aral lake right :P it's the size it was during the civil war.
Jack Sparrow We in Russia still calling it "sea", although we know it's a lake. And it's still a lake, but sooooo screwed up dead lake.
Jack Sparrow Блять, как же я сразу не понял, что и тут русско-говорящие есть.
+Jack Sparrow лол, удивился сперва что ты по-русски говоришь, ибо на англе всё время писал.
2:50 I guess the Bolsheviks were pissed about the treaty as well.
OwnageCubed They needed time to stabilise,Lenin gave that much land willingly.
I kinda wish the White Movement won.
The communists killed more people than the tsar could ever have.
Leonell Valderama But the Bolsheviks were the communists, weren't they?
Jack Griffin Yes.
Jack Griffin George Havenhand
Actually there a lots of groups that forms the Communist in the Russian Revolution, there were mostly Bolshevik and also Mencheviks, the major difference between them is that the Bolsheviks wanted a dictatorship, and the Mencheviks wanted a democracy. The Mencheviks forms some soviets (some sort of local parliament leads by the people), but at the end, the Mencheviks were exterminate, and the soviets died with them.
And the idea of a Direct Democracy also.
***** Agreed nice name :)
This is the most exciting wars in human's history @_@
Why?
so many frontline changes
Nattapong Kaewthanom And the Anarchists
You should do one on JUST the Czechslovak Legion.
The Bolsheviks almost lost the civil war, but the Russian people fought for a new Russia, for communism and for a better future of Russia
How can communism be a "better future"?
@@simpleman4215 Comparing to the era of Tsarist Russia, more people were educated and healthcare was better. More houses were also built, and the country became more industrialised. However we cannot deny the deaths that were caused in the early days by Stalin's desire to industrialise the country rapidly.
@@taygadesign I was going to answer you but you do It yourself at the end of the comment.
Also Tsarist Russia was ended by the time Bolsheviks took the power, they did the coup d'etat against the duma, not against the Tzar.
(((They)))
Frankly, Kerensky was probably Russia's only chance, and bloody Lenin had to go and ruin something that had worked better in eight months than the Romanovs had in three centuries. Bloody Lenin.
Hahaha, the Mario Galaxy music made my day.
I hope I will have the honor one day to live in a communistic system.
+Wolfey Just make your dreams come true by going to Cuba or North Korea
Random Guy Cuba is fine
Oh god it would be a nightmare
+Wolfey The "honor" to live under a horribly repressive regime?
+Wolfey We have different definitions of fine.
the key to the Bolshevik victory in the civil war was maintaining the control of the heavily industrialized west. The reds held a smaller land mass with large cities with factories and armories. On the other hand the whites held a greater area of Russia but the land they occupied was generally wilderness, small peasant farms, scrub land and swamps. This meant that there were far more means to produce income for the reds, whilst the whites on the other hand (at points in the war) had to rely solely on donations from foreign powers. Also the reds aggressive "war communism" policy which led to the deaths of thousands from starvation and the "Cheka" secret police kept the population servile and in fear of the red authority.
20/20 on my essay on the Russian civil war last year :D
You are a good scholar.
Bolsheviks were smart as fucks. To take over St. Petersburg with such a small power and then infect everyone with communism - the Devil complains about them right now.
The main problem of Bolshevik forces were that all fuel-Rich regions were controlled by Whites and because of this the Bolshevik fabrics were stagnated. All of cities under Bolshevik control were starving, because all the black-soiled regions were controlled by White Movement. The white movement was more anarchious (Denikin did not help either Yudenich or Kolchak) and their propoganda was weak. About "War communism" - it caused some rebellions in Kronshtadt among sailors(which had sturmed Winter Palace in 1917) and was quite uneffective and reactionary. Lenin then changed it into "НЭП"(New Economic Policy).
The biggest winning forces of Red Movement was the youth. "Комсомол"(Young Communistic League) was one of the motive forces for the Bolsheviks. They fighted at the front, did any job for the Idea, "by naked enthusiasm".
You can contact me for more information if you will
+Robert Edwin Hause Thanks for trying to correct the original poster who was a total idiot. Maybe it's a 20/20 essay when your teacher also has a very shallow knowledge
Alexander Platypus well it's a total disaster, when you try to make a project about Russian Civil War without native knowledge. Only Russian can tell about difference between Lenin and Trotsky, Denikin, Yudenich, Kolchak and Vrangel. Also I sure, that guy doesn't a word about Makhno and his anarhists or why did Lenin stopped using a theory of "international revolutionary flame" after defeat in soviet-polish war (1920).
This theme still has got lots of secret documents, untold stories and causes lots of questions in post-USSR society.
Alexander Platypus and sure his teacher was a bigger idiot, if he printed him 20/20 mark. Maybe they both were using eng wiki :)
This is a part of history that I know very little about. Thanks for putting such a dynamic map together.
I'd like to see one of these videos done for the Spanish Civil War sometime. It's well done this one.
A perfect example of the Russian Empire's logic:
"Nearly the whole country occupied and in risk of falling into a near totallitarian communist regime?"
"Better invade Mongolia"
Brainwashed as they are.
"totallitarian communist regime";
So the monarchy was not a totalitarian regime, you think?
I am wondering, those who talk about communism, totalitarianism, socialism and so on, generally understand the meaning of these words? Probably not.
***** Ja
The monarchy was authoritarian too! And it had unrest coming through generations
''So the Monarchy was not a totalitarian regime, you think?''
No one ever said that Monarchy was not totalitarian, but the Monarchy was dead by that point, and it doesn't change the fact that Communism is a cancer - it refuses to die and keeps on growing.
@@DreamWalkerVl The monarchy was more totalitarian than Lenin.
Rus, Tsardom, Empire, Soviet Union, Federation = that Russia is just phoenix! and always still great and strong as fck!
Germany is also.
+Gallo 4 East Francia>Holy Roman Empire(Prussia also)>Confederation of the Rhine/Prussia>German Union(And Prussia)>North German Union(Prussia as leader)>German Empire>Weimar Republic>Nazi Germany>West Germany/East Germany>Modern Germany
Weimar
Natural Bodybuilding heck yeah long live mother Russia!
Natural Bodybuilding More like
Rus, Vassal Appanage, Tsardom, Empire, Republic, Soviet Union, Federation
*Reds during the war* We're fighting for equal wealth! *After the war* We fought and died just so everyone can be hungry together?!
+Gary Busususaurus Things did get a lot better once rebuilding took place actually. Remember there is still a ton of lies and ignorance about the USSR around the world. There is no incentive for countries to tell the positives about their enemy
People didnt starve in the soviet union
The Romanian Atheist no
Ukraine was an isolated case, it was politically motivated and necessary
Alexander Platypus this
In the fall of 1919 did the Red Army really rapidly advance across Siberia hundreds of miles from the Trans-Siberian railroad or was that mainly the local folks switching sides?
Partisan-driven Soviet uprising in Yakutia. There was no Red Army, it was moving along railroad to Irkutsk where main White leader Kolchak was captured soon, and buffer Far Eastern Republic was established to avoid direct Soviet-Japanese confrontation over remaining cossack separatist states.
2:50 you can pinpoint the exact moment my heart breaks in two
RIP Russian Empire!
I really wish Stalin didnt screw up Lenin's idea of communism.
Well he didn't even rule over Russia and the Soviet Union for one year, he could have done even worse things than Stalin if he survived for longer.
+MuricaMapper You mean: Lenin didn't screw up Marxs idea.
+JamesToneyLegend Lenin didn't change Marx's idea.
Lenin's idea was pretty fucked too
Liberī Philosophus
He had the same ideals as Marx. He just believed that in order to achieve true communism, there needed to be a revolution and that the revolution needed to be led by a vanguard party.
reading the comments about the USSR, I understand.
If you want to collect a bunch of likes, say that the USSR was shit, hell on earth.
If you want to get a lot of insults, tell us about what the USSR has done. The positive aspects that the Bolsheviks brought.
I have to say this explains The Russian Civil War better than anything else I have ever read or seen I have to say very good job Soumi! Also I am guessing you are Russian and if so where in Russia are you from? Novosibirsk Oblast, Moscow, Rostov Oblast, or St. Petersburg.... etc. Also thanks again for another amazing video this must have taken you a lot of time to put together!
Finnish
Oh ok!
The fuck happened at 2:48?
Garen Crownguard WWI was over and millions of soldiers returned back home to rejoin the red movement
***** Otto Köster No, you're both wrong. The war ended in 1918, not to mention, the bolsheviks had already signed a peace treaty with Germany much earlier.
The RSFSR Still held all the important major industries and productions centers in russia and thus they were the only ones that really could continue going.
Garen Crownguard The Red Plague burst out.
Otto Köster I thought the Russian Forces capitulated after the treaty of Brest-Litovsk, not the treaty of Versailles.
Such a terrible war...
In the Civil War I would have definitely supported the Bolsheviks, but ever since the incident at Kronstadt it's understandable why many of its previous supporters opted out or at least became disappointed in Lenin. They warned Lenin that he had too much power and that a vanguard party will lead to oppression and a dictatorship of a single man or people who have hidden interests, but the paranoia Lenin developed after assassination attempts were made on him made him hold on to his power like it was a matter of life and death. While Lenin still had his intellect to prevent him from going way too far with his power, his paranoia was passed down to the aggressive brute known as Stalin who was a complete psychopath. He became the influence of Mao and other Asian Communist movements. Damn, so many things went wrong. It's really depressing for a Communist sympathizer like myself to see how every Communist movement was either suppressed by an outside force or disintegrated from forces within.
Noticable mistakes (I will say one): Fightings and offensives couln't be held in Central and Northern Siberia and Kamchatka. There are forests and snows only. Fightings were only in Southern Siberia, Primorye and in some territories of Yakutia.
+MrRussianMapper And second: Anarchists didn't captured so mush land in Ukraine.
really nice man, i really like how you included parts of the heimosodat. even so i would really like to see a more detailed timeline of the heimosodat, sad thing is that not many people know about this events and they are preattty important for the baltic history
The finnish reds weren't bolsheviks. They had good relations with them, yes, but were a separate entity. It' quite silly to include them. Likewise, how the hell was the republic of Finland part of the white movement?
FinRanomness Check out a guy called Elfvengren
FinRanomness Yrjö Elfvengren to be exact.
***** That doesn't change the fact that they weren't a part of the russian white government. Also, calling them Белофинны doesn't necessarily imply they were a part of the russian whites. Calling rightists "whites" and leftist "reds" was a common thing at that time.
Yelsä Vidaravskaja The Kinship Wars were private incursions from Finland by volunteers, and by local karelian insurgents, and were not facilitated by the white finnish government.
The good news in all of the doom and gloom is that Finland got its independence from this war.
And poland
+CarpeDiem. Official they had a grand total of 1 major victory before '39
CarpeDiem. Official Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Poland got its independence after WW1 from Germany.
it was split between Germany and Russia until Lenin made peace with the Kaiser and Poland was recognised, but the majority of Poland was under Russian rule.
As for that 1 major victory it was agaisnt eh Soviet Union when they tried to reclaim old territory
+Nortarus Firehand had they just been a little more successful they would've liberated Ukraine like they originally planned and prevented the forceful starvation of millions of Ukrainians and Tartars😞
This comment section makes me want to die.
Why?
ignorants, ignorants everywhere
Go to hell bubbler!
Yeah, these imperialists makes me think Stalin didn't go far enough.
INSTALL GENTOO huh
Oversimplified would have to go through so much debt when making this...
Great video!!! I never knew how complex the Russian civil war was, also love the Super Mario galaxy music!!!
The beginning of the October Revolution and the Civil war is the most tragic day in the whole history of Russia.
Yes but not for Russians only for Rotschild
Why do you think so? Russia was poorest part of Europe with almost no industry before Stalin. BTW 2nd world war backs Russia where it was before him thats true..
Jim Hawkins Didn't Lenin die from the war?
Oh alright.
The problem was people like you...
WE'RE GETTING THE SEQUEL BOYS JUST LIKE SM GALAXY 2 LETS GOOOO
very nice song!
+Ego Sum Leafar Its from Super Mario Galaxy
very powerful
What was going on in Franz Joseph Land?
***** After the White Movement retreated from the area, the area was abandoned and usettled.
Can you do the American Civil War? You did so well with this complex war I assume you can handle a much simpler one like the American civil war.
I think that Bolsheviks Revolution was the most succsefull one
I'm glad the Soviets won that war.
A great victory for the working people of the world against Imperialism indeed!
red plague
Red Victory
The Bolsheviks lost any claim to be "fighting for the people" after they abolished the the legislature because they didn't win a majority. That's the main reason the Left SR (who were themselves revolutionary socialists) joined the White Movement; they realized the Bolsheviks had lost their claim to democratic legitimacy.
N.A.T.O Allience General secretary of NATO is the former primeminister of Norway, he's party was the workers party, the socialist party...
+rustik milas Putin approves!
N.A.T.O Allience Shocking truth?
I love that the beginning song was featured in Super Mario Galaxy
This is one really serious video but the song is from Super Mario(I like the song). Xp
Isn't this from mario
Super Mario Galaxy, I think, yeah
This song comes on in the final battle with Bowser in super Mario galaxy 1
+Deo Ignition No, it's the regular Bowser battle theme.
Yeah killing commies is from Mario.
Actually, Mario was looking like Stalin so it would make sense. (not really)
That feeling when you know what's going to happen, but still watch and root for the whites.
I imagine the elderly veterans of the White forces were in a state of euphoria when the Soviet Union finally fell.
+That Guy From Kentucky They were not really alive anymore.... but whatever floats your boat if you actually think the Whites were anything but Monarchists, Fascists, anti semites, and oppressors... I got a bridge to sell ya in NJ
hey whats the background song
Super Mario Galaxy - Bowser Battle Theme
2:50 Yo bro, can you look after my pizza for a bit?
3:25 Ok, I’m back, what happened now?
Stalin was clever but he was to cruel and paraioniac
Radioactive Gameplay stalin was an idiot, if he was clever, ww2 ended 4 years early. Lenin is the one led the revolution of russia.
When Germany invaded USSR was suprise attack, and Stalin ended war in 3 years. 1941-1945.He was clever but he was paranoic, learn more about Stalin.
Stalin was paranoid during the Great Purge.
Unfortunately, Stalin thought that Hitler won't betray him.
The Soviet Union wasn't prepared enough, so they let the Germans getting exhausted, then they struck back.
And Stalin thought that Hitler faked his death.
What happened Taimyr and Franz Joseph Land. When these territories have become a draw, and why? Where to find information with such a?
I guess there was no point in defending them. It wouldn't have been possible for the Whites to set up a country-in-exile there like the Chinese Nationalists did with Taiwan. They're just frozen wastelands.
Andrew Durand I understand ... But where he could take these dates ...
Comrade, are you communist? and do you support the USSR?
☭Leninist Soviet Comrade☭ Nope
Fuck communists
Daboru Please do some research before trying to debate a communist, most of us are very well educated on Communism, capitalism, and fascism.
+☭Leninist Soviet Comrade☭ Nope i exactly Know that cocommunists are like terrorists. Lenin was the beginning of that terrorism. Stalin was even worse. Until 1990 communists killed about 60 million people. Not in wars.
Mr President Thats right.
Daboru No nation in the world were communist. Only socialist... like USSR.(Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics).
North-Korea = "Stalinism"
PR China = Capitalism (City) + Socialism
and and and....
I never know the details of this war until I watch this video. Thanks!!!!
I found it also interesting to read the civil war part of the Soviet Unions history.I dont know if it's totally accurate, but Suomi did write that not all movements of troops are mentioned here. On reading my opinion was that the Bosheviks had a pretty lucky timing on the foreign policy events before the Revolution started and partly also afterwards. E.g. German Empire having invaded Lithuania so Britans didn't want to land there on supporting the "Russian Republic". Latter on the leaving of war from Germany (can be seen here to) made the Reds gain most of the territory Germany had in the east at the ending of 1918. Curiously you can also find out that Britain forced Germany to remain troops in Lithuania until Treaty of Versailles was signed (the Allies didn't have own troops there).All in all it was Long time unclear who would win the Reds or Whites. Another interesting event was that the USA didn't allow a big Intervention by the allies(cant remember the reason but probably the Allies were war-weary after WWI)althought Britain wanted to Support the Whites furthermore.And Zarizyn (today Wolgograd) played an very important role in many failed attemps of the Whites to retake Petrograd or Moscow. The defending of Zarizyn which had a very very important railway connection to the capital Moscow(before the Revolution started actually Petrograd was capital but they moved it) and Petrograd the two most important cities for the Revolution was also important. Found the Video very interesting, cause ist another Thing seeing the changing of territory on a map. Bolsheviks were a bit lucky and had also the effects of the Revolution on there sides. I say that because the red army wasn't that strong in the civil war years (got also defeated by Poland in 1920) compared to latter. But thats why you call its civil war, its a bloody war in the own Country with the citizens killing each outer. And your very lucky when its over and you survived it.
Was going to give you shit about your spelling of the word "disastrous" but then I saw the name Suomi and realized English is probably your third or fourth language after Finnish, and probably Swedish and Russian.
+AholeAtheist "stupid marxist liberal" My worst nightmare.
What does the Trans-Siberian railway have to do with the civil war?
Because it's kind of Russia's spine...
That is true. But Vladivostok is not Siberia though. Its right next to Korea and China, two hot countries.
Festined Productions The majority of the railway is in Siberia, arguably Vladivostok is too, and have you ever been to Manchuria? Not a hot place at all.
Oh. I've never been to Asia, so yeah. Suprisingly, on my globe it says Vladivostok is highly populated. Thats why I thought it wasn't.
Population density has nothing to do with it, it's a mater of geography.
Yo, what’s the song?
Say darude sandstorm and your gay.
Leninrude Bolshevikstorm
@@taygadesign lmao
This video song make feel like that I am fighting with the evil boss.
One thing I’d like to mention is a more accurate title for this video would be the Russian Revolution. The Russian Civil War only refers to the period from 1918 onwards, the Russian Revolution refers to the 1917 revolutions as well as the civil war.
Suomi was created by this XD
I think the idea behind communism was good. What happened in the end, wasnt.
Also, Lenin didnt want Stalin to become the leader of the Union.
***** Wise words.
Gismo 359 The IDEA sounds good, but this is why communism can't work.
The people simply won't work hard enough. When the CEO of microsoft gets the same pay as leonardo from mcdonalds for having a much easier job, do you think the CEO of microsoft will want to work at a job like that, or even work at all? after all, he can put in MUCH less effort and get paid the same.
I can't even imagine what would happen if the Tsar made an allience with USA.
He did.
USA had invaded Russia in 1917
True, but the official Government in power then was the Russian SSR, meaning that, technically, it was an invasion.
Aлександар Поповић Actually, the USA sent troops in Russia (Kola and Transbaikalia) to support the White russians against the Reds and prevent japanese expansionism
Shogo5000 The British would have approved of the Japanese as they were allied to share China between them.Good information as war between Japan Britain versus the US for control of East Asia. Britain would support anyone against Russia.They still do! Not the workers I might add as they struck to prevent arms going against the Bolsheviki.
The rendition of the Polish counter offensive against the Bolsheviks in August and September 1920 is not shown. Someone was not paying attention.
stalin was Georgian from gori and his full name was ioseb jugashvili
Why the hell is independent Poland marked as "white movement"?
Poland was at a time part of Russia.
No, it wasn't from the time Germans occupied it first during the war and as an independent state from 11.11.1918'. Keeping Rzeczpospolita of 1920' when we were fighting war ended with battle of Warsaw and Niemen as "white movement" is totally unpropriate.
mefisto654 "we" You weren't even alive, dude.
O rly?
mefisto654 It would have made an already complicated video even more complicated (look 3 comments up and suomi explains it LOL).
This is the birth of the greatest super power
rather dead than red
Shakur dead it is then
fuck i remember when this video was new
And Finland was finally free for the 1st time ever.
Chinese Civil War plox
Communism, a very unfortunate event in human history.
Mat M no, socialism is different. There are good versions of socialism, unfortunately one of them is Communism which is complete garbage.
Mat M whatever the fuck it was, it was still complete garbage of a system.
DarkShadow64 *sighs* So many people dont know what the soviet union was it was a failed attempt at communism, a successful communism is (or would be) great! But unfortunately the soviet union failed
Mat M I know it was socialist but they had communist ideas
Andrey Kravchenko tell me one, ONE SINGLE, succesful communist country.
6:48 would have been magical with USSR anthem
Love the super mario galaxy music
No Kronstadt Rebellion mentioned? Good video others, very informative.
Kronstadt uprising was not as massive as, say, the uprising of anarchists. Because it wasnt mentioned.
@@batistapk It may not have been as large, but it was a defining moment of the Revolution. It convinced Lenin to shift away from War Communism and begin the New Economic Policy, which it what divided the party between Trotsky, Stalin, and others. The end of Kronstadt also crushed any chance for democratic socialism in the USSR.
@@LuxLoser you are right, the Kronstadt uprising was part of the civil war, but perhaps the author decided to show the main stage of the civil war, that is, the confrontation between the "white" and "red" armies.
Thanks Judeo-Bolshevism! Very cool!
Nazx 36 No.
Nazx 36 maybe thats based in your mind but not mine
@@rodster5978 I have a proposition to you for making this world a better place. m.imgur.com/gallery/lvZ0J70
If only the good guys won.
They did. The Bolsheviks did win.
SIMcityplayer2002 Zionist murderers of 60,000,000 people that tried to destroy the Russian culture are good to you?
Aлександар Поповић *Bolsheviks. Zionists were different
Aлександар Поповић It was kind of too late already, Bolshevik was an idea at this point, and they would win whether it took 3 civil wars. The battle was lost before the war even begun.
Aлександар Поповић lol
bosheviks: that's how you roll, when you have jewish money and support!
+Pedro_xCore I see another Hitler wannabe is posting in this video. How "shocking" and "edgy".
yeah, and 70 years of genocide and opression in palestine is also nazi propaganda? ;)
Are you for democracy?
1:20 OMG Finland, the ethernal soviet failure.
WTF the Bolchevils went also to persia ?