Highly recommend to get a lipo low voltage buzzer, if you discharge the cells below 3.2 volts it will damage or catch fire. If the lipo is not in use store at half capacity
Thanks for the Insight! I'll look into the LV buzzer. I could see overcharging leading to an issue, but discharging the battery below 3.2 can cause an issue?
@@RegsChannel 100%. Overdischarge increases the internal pressure of the battery and leads to swelling. For a non-hardcased battery like this that's a death sentence and fire hazard. 3.2V is a bit conservative. Makita batteries internally disconnect around 15V (3V per cell), other power tools likely similar. If you buy your battery from a respectable manufacturer they should give you a full rundown of discharge curves and min/max safe voltages.
@DLiu-ff1zx Thanks for the info! Online for this particular battery shows a min voltage of 3.2v. I think when I test out the 9000 mAh hard case variant next, I'll attach the multimeter to the battery and give myself a buffer. I'm thinking a simple but effective system would be to set a timer for x amount of hours while using the heated jacket, and then meter the battery before recharging? In RC applications I feel like these batteries last minutes, whereas in this application they discharge over hours. Do you think that makes any meaningful difference? Thanks again for your insights!
@@RegsChannel There are a lot more variables than you think. Look up what a battery discharge curve looks like - voltage sag depends heavily on current draw. There's also the question of temperature. Is the pack going to be on the outside of the jacket and exposed to the ambient air? If so, cold cells sag more and you'll have to take that into account when calculating run time. Or are you going to put the pack between your body and the heating element? If that's the case, how are you going to positively ensure the pack stays under the max temp? Realistically, running any lithium ion battery with no protection whatsoever is a gamble. For an RC car or plane, it's an acceptable gamble, because if you screw up and your pack ignites, well your RC plane usually isn't strapped to your torso when it's running full tilt. Look, I get it. I hot rod batteries too. I build my own 21700-cell Makita packs because they refuse to put out a 1st-party solution. But this is a case where unless you buckle down and really do some research into how to ensure both your own safety and the safety of those you're seated next to, it would be a much better solution to just bring an extra M12 battery or two - where these considerations have already been accounted for - and swap out as needed.
@DLiu-ff1zx Thanks for the feedback! Sounds like you have a ton of knowledge in the field. As best I can tell, the jacket pulls around 0.6 - 0.8 amps on high. The battery pouch on the jacket is not near the elements at all, so it would be sandwiched between 2 layers of fabric only, so I imagine it wouldn't see a lot of warmth from the user. I have worn the jacket several times outdoors already, and the battery has always been cold to the touch on both charge and discharge. Also worth mentioning, I have not ran it till it to 0 (closesest I got was when I test d it in the video) I can see voltage sag being an issue in high current draw applications where you are hammering amperage out of the pack (like a power tool, drone, or other RC applications, but would using a 50c battery pulling less than an amp be as worrisome? I appreciate the information!
Being able to get the full walk to and from the stadium, and the whole game on "high" heat is going to be a game changer! I can't wait to try this out for ice fishing season!
I seriously couldn't believe how long the pack lasted! Especially considering the form factor. I'm now able to sit with my back against a seat and you don't even feel the battery pack anymore which in my opinion is the best! This would be fantastic for ice fishing!
Thanks for the video! I run those Zee 5200 batteries in my RC trucks. Just so you know - that battery is available in a hard case style instead of the soft pack you showed. Same capacity - just more durable for banging around. Just be careful about running those LiPo batteries too much lower than 3.2V per cell. Could damage them
@@JeepinMaxxThanks for the comment!! Yeah I purchased this one as a proof of concept and was blown away by the results! I just ordered the 9000 mAh version that's in the hard case and will doing a showdown between the two of them! Agreed, my plan is to do a runtime test, test voltage and then do some math to figure out a "safe" runtime for longevity
On M12 and M18 batteries, if you run them down too low the chargers won't turn on. They aren't ruined because you can charge them back up with other direct power sources such as power supplies or other fully charged batteries and they will.continue working fine. Can you do that with RC batteries?
Great video! I have the new 2024 "hexon technology" toughshell coat, and the Bluetooth features with the 3.0 flat pack battery are nice for customizing the 3 zones. The best new feature is the ability to have the heat on, but turn the light off. This provides some relief from constantly having to have the "is that a heated jacket, how does that work?" conversation 10 times a day. If only there was a way to hack the new Bluetooth features into this solution, it would be perfect!
@@IsThisThingEvenOnOrWhatThanks for the feedback! Yes I would love to get my hands on one of the newer style jackets! I'm currently trying to figure out how to make this current solution safer for folks, but there are tons of options out there! I'll keep my eyes peeled for a Bluetooth option! Cheers!
@RegsChannel I'm sure it would be possible, but it would require cannibalizing the $100 3.0 flat pack brains to get the milwaukee heated gear app to work with the R.C. battery. I might try that if/when the flat pack I have fails. I definitely recommend the new heated gear. Runs circles around the last gen. Will be sharing your video with friends!
@IsThisThingEvenOnOrWhat remember to mention that they need to understand how these LiPo RC packs work to be safe with them! I've learned a lot from the comments here over the past few days! There are some good USB alternatives with BMS's built in on Amazon. Not as small as the pouch cells but much safer! Thanks again for the support!
@@RegsChannel safer would be a lithium jump starter pack for a car. A lot of them have 3s lipo inside and have a 5.5x2.1mm output port that also has discharge protection. Also they include a charger when you buy them.
Nice video. I have been using a Talentcell 6000 li ion battery for 3-4 years now, for my Milwaukee jacket. I get 6-7 hours on high. BMS protected. comes with the same 12 volt plug that the jacket uses; no adapters needed. Can also get with a 5 volt usb plug. Includes charger (slow but ok) and splitter cable. Very happy with this product.
@@irenejuvshik651 I just looked up the specs, that looks like an incredible value for 50$! And rated at 11.1v@6000 mAh to boot! All that plus the BMS is the icing on the cake! I realize I'm living on the edge a bit with these LiPo packs, but for me I value the space savings and runtime. I think I'm going to do some more homework on this one and talk about it in my next video! Thanks again for the comment!
Reg's Channel gave me the idea. Especially the fact of the round Milwaukee battery eats into your back. But seeing your reply, I decided to go your route and ordered the TalentCell battery for my kid's hoodie for her bike riding. Thanks. If she gives me the thumbs up, I will get one for my jacket.
Just don’t bend that RC battery! It will catch fire in your pocket. They are very sensitive. Would be better to hold that RC battery in a rigid case. Maybe 3D print one…
Hey there! Thanks for the comment technically it is in a "soft" case but with where it sits in the pouch there is very little chance of it bending to a point that would have me concerned. I do like the 3D printed case idea though, and may need to look into that!
Great tips on prepping for winter hikes! I’ve learned so much from this video. Personally, staying warm has always been tricky until I discovered Evofash heated jackets. They’re lightweight, stylish, and keep you toasty even in freezing temperatures. Highly recommend for anyone heading outdoors this winter! ❄
@@Evofash thanks for the kind words! Yeah the extended runtime on these packs is fantastic! I've never heard of Evofash, I'll have to look into them a bit further!
I have a m18 adapter for the jackets i use it is the hooded one that has front and back heat. I use a 5ah battery that last 8 hours and charges in a hour i love it in my jacket it can fit eather behind me or under the side pocket.only downside is its hard to get in and out but working outside all day it makes a big difference!!!!!!
Hey!! Thanks for the comment! Oh I bet! That's great to hear! Yeah the advantage of the M18 stepped down to 11.1 volts is that you will get some sick run-time! I have the Zeee 9000 mAh battery on the way and I am expecting to get 8+ hours of runtime for sure, I'll see if it can give the M18 batteries a run for their money!
@RegsChannel last year I was working on storage units the company I work for were building in Columbus and the cold sucked so I got the jacket only had 1 M12 3ah battery until I got the jacket it came with another and was constantly charging them found the M18 adapter for 20 bucks and I have 6 5ah batteries so worked out really good I also ordered a couple of heat pad kits but dint get the chance to install them in some pants or longjohns last year ended up having some health issues in February and haven't made it back to work been doing some work for a budya trying to get my health good enough to go back full time were im not taking breaks every 30 minutes to a hour lol but definitely going to try them here soon!!!!!
@stevenoe6395 Thanks for sharing! Yeah that was my gripe, all day outdoor events you need to have spare batteries, the m18's are good, but clock in at about 1.54 pounds each, plus the bulk, but if you have them already, it's hard to beat free! Hope your health improves, take care!
@danlux4954 Amazon it's not made by Milwaukee it's a generic has 2 usbs on it a c and a and the plug for the jackets it also has a flashlight on it. I think it makes the jacket hotter also but used it most of last winter with no problem only problem I had was getting it in the pocket with a 5ah battery it was easier to put the adapter in then the battery. I'm going to start using it again today probably lol I put the 12v back in since the cold here in Ohio hasn't been too bad and I'm not working outside as much yet well not working a lot yet lol
Thanks for the comment! I just ordered the 9000 mAh battery for testing and I'll be doing a similar setup for my heat d gloves so I may give that a go. Thanks for the advice!
@@RegsChannelMake sure you read the paper that comes with the battery. It will tell you the minimum charge rate usually .5C and max charge rate usually on zeee batterys its 1c, on a 9000mah batt that would be max 9amps and min 4.5amps. These batterys are not something to tot with have burnt down many a house and sheds. You also want to put them in a storage charge when not using them for multiple days at around 3.8V
Thanks for the comment! My wife has the vest, and loves it! I'll be getting a similar setup for her, think we might go with the 8000mAh battery for hers and then I can float them between my jacket and hers.
Please don’t these are not safe for this application. They are a fire risk on the best of days. They don’t have any protection from over discharge at all.
@@wwg-worldsworstgamer6678 that's for the comment, I have learned a lot more about these over the past few days, I have a low voltage buzzer on the way and will be putting out an updated video soon.
@davidmccurdy306 one definitely needs to understand the risks going into it. I've learned a lot from here, I have a low voltage alarm along with a B6 charger. I feel that the battery is pretty well protected in the spot that it's in, but like anything in life you need to weigh the risk vs. reward. Cheers!
@@jeffclark5024 yeah but I think the primary barrel connector is still the same size, I feel like the secondary connector is for the Bluetooth connectivity. Once I get my hands on one, I can do some further testing. Cheers!
@@1977bjhaas thanks for the comments! If you do make sure you follow all the proper safety precautions first! I have an updated video that I just released that speaks to that side of things a bit more. Cheers!
Anyone know if they make an DC to USB adapter for the new hexagon “ top off” connection ? The new hexagon jackets come with 2 DC connection. One looks bigger than the other. Will the older style DC to USB adapter work?
@@lmSteveo toy knowledge the large plug will work with the old style packs. The tiny plug I assume is for Bluetooth functionality. I need to get my hands on a. Hexon jacket to confirm this. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the comment! I have a hard shelled battery on the way for additional testing. My charger appears to be a balance charger however I do see some very elaborate ones online.
I have a lot of time with lipos. I fly r/c helis and play with r/c trucks. I set the cutoff to 3.2V but you may be able to get away with 3.1 or even 3.0 if you do your due diligence and check the voltage drop when the heated gear kicks on. A big draw when it kicks on to heat when your battery is low could damage it. you have the right connector, XT is the way to go.
@@DavidSmith-jj5pr thanks for taking the time to comment! Milwaukees batteries cut off at 3.4v, zee states 3.2v I believe. Do you have a link to them at all? Would be interested in checking them out!
Clever. But how do you protect the battery from over discharging? Running a lipo pack to the point where it has no more juice, makes it fairly dangerous to recharge, especially on a cheap charger. Rc lipo battery packs are “dumb” unlike tool battery packs. There’s nothing in the pack to prevent you from over charging, or over discharging.
@@Plzdontcrash Hi there, thanks for the comment! The folks in the RC community have been an incredible source of information. I picked up a low voltage alarm that arrived yesterday, but also had made a point to not run the jacket for more than about 4 hours. My charger has an indicator for each cell and my meter shows me approx 4.2v per cell fully charged, but I do acknowledge that I should have a better charger, especially so I can get these to better storage voltage. I have a much better understanding of the risks associated with these, and plan to do an updated video once the additional hardware arrives in the next few days. Cheers!
I recommend the M12 heated vest. I wear it as a base layer with a hoodie and jacket on top. I work outside during the winter and it lasts all day on low with a 3ah battery. Keep a second in my lunch box just in case but I rarely need it.
Hi there! Thanks for the comment. I got one for my wife and she loves hers. It doesn't have as many heating zones. Given that, yes I can see it lasting longer! How cold does it get where you are? If you are moving around and working on it I can see it keeping you warm! Remember I bought mine to drink beer in and watch football 😂 So I am stationary the majority of the time. Cheers!
A couple of things, that is a 3S pack, or 3 separate cells of 3.7v each x 3 is 11.1 rated voltage. It looks like that charger might not be a balance type charger which means it charges across all the cells in series to charge. A balance charger charges each cell separately to keep them in "balance" or at the same voltage. Constant charging without balance could eventually result in one of the cells splitting off from the others and overcharging or under voltage. It might be a balance type not sure. Also, the 3S battery pack has a minimum safe discharge voltage of 10.2 volts. The battery pack does not have circuit to shut off the pack, that is handled by the device plugged into. But since the jacket would not shut off at the 10.2V because it is set up for the Milwaukee M12 type. Going down to 9.9 is below the minimum safe and might result in cell damage or reduced life.
Hey there! Thanks for the insightful comments! The charger I got does indicate that it is in fact a balanced charger, and the 3 lights on it correspond to each individual cell. They go from red to green individually once charged, so I think I'm good there! In terms of the voltage, I contacted Zeee support and for each cell I'm good between 3.2 & 4.3 volts however you are correct, frequent trips to 3.2 volts won't be great for the longevity of the battery. However, with the added runtime I don't think I'll ever need to run it to dead... I plan to do another video testing out their 8000 /9000 mAh battery and am going to try and speak to low voltage situations as you have suggested. Again for the cost/performance/size even if this battery lasted 100-200 cycles I am beyond happy!
@@RegsChannel the cutoff voltage for m12 tools is more like 9.6v, the m12 batteries dont have any protection built into them they are just dumb 18650 cells the tool/jacket does the battery protection. not sure what your electronics skills are like but its likely not that difficult to change the circuit in the jacket to cut off at a higher voltage so then you dont have to add extra protection for the battery.
Nice video. I would like to see this with a 4S pack which would be 14.8 volts. Maybe this would produce higher heat and possibly low or medium setting which would still be higher than 11.1 on high. I’ve been in cold situations where hotter would be better.
@@maximusmock thanks for the kind words! I'm not too sure how the jacket would hold up to higher voltage to be honest, I'm thinking you might burn up an element... If I can get my hands on one of the new tough shell jackets I would gladly "overclock" my current one lol! Something that may help, with my heated gloves I sized them down, made a huge difference in warmth! Doing that with the jacket could help. The closer you can get the elements to your body the warmer it will feel!
I've been using my 18v ridgid battery on my m12 hoodie for the last 3 years with zero issues. It is noticeably warmer than the 12v, the down side is the bulkier battery.
I agree with others, get a hard case LiPo. Also snag a fire bag to use in your pocket in the off chance it bursts into fire. It will buy you a few precious seconds to get the jacket off. It won’t prevent or stop a fire, but just might keep flames at bay long enough. Also, do stadiums in Canada allow you to take in large batteries? I can’t imagine this is allowed in the US.
@@jondilly1974 hi there! Just did an updated video where I added a low voltage alarm, and also got a better charger. Yep, had no problem taking it to games here. I'm looking into 3D printing a hard case for this one currently. Remember I'm pulling 0.6-0.8 amps of current from the battery with the jacket on high, and I also charge it at the same rate. I do believe that there is a correlation between how had you are on the battery with things like current draw and over/under discharge resulting in it turning into basically thermite lol. Folks do need to understand the risks involved, educate themselves, then make a decision from there! Cheers
Thanks for the comment! I've been doing some research and I think they actually make a 9.0Ah one that would be compatible... That should get you 9-10 hours of runtime on high, all in a one pound package! I already have it in the cart on Amazon!
I wonder if this would work with a updated hexon milwaukee jacket. They have a different connector. Try those jackets if you dont have the old jackets guys milwaukee fixed the runtime issues. Great video man ill give this a try.
I believe the new jackets have a dual plug I'm assuming the primary plug is for the heating elements, while the secondary plug might be for sending data to the fancy Bluetooth bits on their new battery pack?
Great idea, but you need a deal to stop the discharge at 3.2v or your prob looking at damaging the battery. Prob should have something to regulate the input as well.. Thanks!
It looks like others beat me to it thankfully but i came here to mention that you need to protect from over discharge. Id also recommend getting a hardcase lipo. You may not think they are fragile because the packs are firm and feel solid but they are in a foil pouch. If you accidentally snag it on something, or slip and fall etc and puncture the pack they can start on fire. I could see this becoming a very painful accident. I can see this being a great idea, i have the Milwaukee heated winter jacket and the heated hoodie as well, and half a dozen 3s lipos but please please use caution doing this, i would also not leave the battery plugged in all the time because sometimes these types of devices can still have a very small current draw even when off. A good example of this are the rc cars themselves. Anyone who has ever forgotten to disconnect the battery and later comes back to realize they ruined a battery and its at like 1.8v per cell will understand. Lipos require a certain level of knowledge and safety practices and i dont want you to burn your house down or hurt your family over a warm jacket!
@@dandieleman2715Thank you for this! It's comments like this that not only help me learn, but to also better appreciate the community ❤️. Yes I couldn't agree more! I'll be doing an updated video shortly I have acquired a low voltage alarm, have a hard case battery on the way, as well as a better quality charger! When done the battery goes in my metal ammo container now, and I plan to speak to storage voltage and care. I want folks to understand the risk, but also to weigh those against the benefits . Cheers!
Awesome video. Thanks. I have three of the M12 hoodies and runtime is definitely an issue and you're right. The low setting is pretty much useless. I'm not into RC but I will be getting one of those batteries and chargers to try it out. I wish I had waited before buying the M12 "Heated Gear Power Source". I got it hoping it would be a bit more less noticeable but I find it's actually worse than the normal M12 batteries and runtime is about the same. Thanks again and good luck with your Blue Bombers. I hope they beat those sucky Argos.
Thanks for the kind words! Are you referring to fat Milwaukee flat battery pack with Bluetooth? My big gripe with it again is runtime, it's only around 2.5-3.0AH. I have the 9000 mAh battery with adapters on the way and will do a full review once I get it! For me the 5200 sits nicely on my left side and is barely noticeable when sitting down. My wife has also used it in her vest and loves it as you don't see a huge bulge. Can't wait for my Blue Bombers to bring home another Grey Cup in a few hours! Let us know how you make out with the battery! Cheers.
@@RegsChannel Yes, the flat one with BT and 3Ah. The only positive I find with it is the app can tell me the percentage left. I just put my order in for that 5200 Ah and charger and adapter.
@@daifeichu just a word of caution as many others have pointed out, invest in a low voltage buzzer as well to prevent over discharge. Trying to charge a lipo cells from a low voltage state can cause a major safety hazard!
One of the 2 prongs should Interface with the old battery adapter. I can only assume the second plug is for the Bluetooth functionality. Won't know until someone send me a Hexon jacket, or I pick one up. Cheers!
I would use a hard case instead of a soft case for a battery. You can get cheap r/c chargers, around $20. Look for a imax b6 style charger. They are either blue or black. Brands vary but they are the same. They have a digital display to tell you tons of info on your battery. Also you need to use a lipo low battery alarm. They are super cheap. Like 4 bucks. They plug into the balance lead on the pack and a alarm goes off it hits under 3v a cell which will damage the lipo and possibly cause a short and fire. Please be safe. *Also when the battery is not in use they need to be stored at storage voltage which is 3.7v a cell, the above mentioned charger can put the pack into storage mode. I've had several of those cheap chargers when i got back into rc. They will work fine for this purpose.
@@traildevil67Thank you for this! My voltage alarm showed up yesterday, and my hard case battery should be here tonight. I saw the B6 and it looks like it's well worth the 40$ CAD. I've made a habit of leaving the battery around 50 percent when not in use. Can you confirm that the B6 can get a battery to storage voltage? If so can you share a link? I'm looking to get one and then put out an updated video with all the feedback I've got from here!
RC batteries do not have a built in BMS so you can easily run them below the 3.0v mark and cause damage. Unless the jacket cuts off at particular voltage but that’s doubtful. M12 batteries have a BMS with low voltage cut off built in. Just get a buzzer to be safe and avoid over discharging for sure.
@@mk2mike Hey there! I have learned a ton more about these batteries from the community here over the past few days and taking the proper precautions is a must. I'm going to order one of the buzzers asap. I did reach out to Milwaukee (doubt I will hear back though!) in regards to if the heated gear has a BMS or not. I have heard conflicting details that the M18 batteries have them built into the battery but that the M12 has it built into the tool. If it had a cutoff I think we would be golden. I have heated snowmobile gloves from FXR, and the batteries look nearly the same as these LiPo cells albeit smaller, no BMS, yet in the gloves you have just the power button I can't feel any extra "hardware" unlike the M12 jacket. I'm going to be doing a followup video soon talking specifically about precautions one should take based on what I have learned here. I will say that I have been using a proper charger with the battery, and I have been monitoring the voltage once I'm done using the jacket. I've used it several times so far, and have ran it into the 4-5 hour range. Battery has been cold to the touch both during use and while charging, but I will take care to make sure it doesn't turn into thermite! Have a good one!
@@adrianrobinson7953 this is straight 11.1 volts. It's the equivalent voltage of a Milwaukee pack. The usb pack was probably limited to 5 volts. Cheers!
I used to use the M18 CP 2.0 Ah battery in my heated gear, and it would last a long time. The bulk wasn't any worse than using an M12 5.0 Ah "mushroom" style battery, and it would actually be more comfortable than using that style anyway, because it was flat.
I use a TackLife 16500mAh (61Wh) battery that has the correct pole plug socket and outputs 12v @10A in my Milwaukee ToughShell :) I'll have to do a runtime test like yours but it lasts forever!
@@RegsChannel Yes, it used to be on Amazon, the Tacklife T6 Car Jump Starter 600A Peak lol It is a bit of a beast in size, but only really bothers me sitting in the car.
@TunaSoda right on, the reason I went with the LiPo pack was in predominantly sitting when using it and it, for me at least is almost undetectable! I can imagine you must get some sick runtime out of a pack that size!
@@MEl02907- Thanks for the kind words! Yep, I would imagine that if the plug is similar it would work! Only point to look out for is the DeWalt system is 20 volts I believe, so you may need to look at the 22.2v lipo cells. Hope that helps!
its 5200mAh at 50c discharge rate, your not discharging at anywhere near 50c (about 260amps yes rc batteries can put out insane amps) so at the low discharge rate of the jacket its likely you will see better mAh performance than the sticker says as its not being drained at a high discharge rate in your application. just be careful not to over discharge or over charge or pierce the outer insulation as it will spit 2 foot flames out the side of it if damaged, they are a lot more volatile than the 18650 cells in the Milwaukee batteries and wont tolerate much bashing around.
My lipo charger icharger x6 charges such batteries in about 15-20 minutes . That lipo can be charged at 5c comfortably so if you want to step up your game you could safely charge it at 30amps and be done in literally seconds 😊 trust me I’m a professional been in the hobby working for about 19 years. This was a cool video I did this long time ago myself but I use a way smaller battery and get about 4 hours run time. Also avoid going to 3.2v per cell. I try not to go lower than 10v on the entire pack. In a perfect world don’t even go under 11.1v this will give you the longest battery cycle life overtime. And you could also pick up a high voltage version of lipo battery which can take you from a full charged pack voltage of normally it’s 12.6v to around 13.2v which would mean two things, warmer jacket and longer play time
Thanks for the kind words! I picked up a 9000mAh pack and will be doing an updated video soon! I've been doing some additional testing using low voltage alarms and have set the floor at 3.4v per cell. (Zeee says I'm good to 3.2v per cell but the internet says that's blasphemy!) If anyone was interested in donating me a jacket I would gladly "overclock" it with a 4s battery and see what happens! Cheers!
@@daleb5967 understood, I had a low voltage buzzer arrived yesterday and have not ran the jacket to 0. Also have a hard case battery on the way. I will be putting out a video on these soon!
Hey there, so we have established it will NOT. I have ordered a low voltage buzzer and will put out an updated video when it arrives. Needless to say I have learned a ton about lipo cells over the past few days! I've used the jacket a few times for a few hours at a time but I check the battery with my multimeter and made sure to keep it above 9.9 volts. Thanks for the comment!
@Kolsch221 I would highly suggest you look into the rest of the safety gear as well and do your homework on best handling and use procedures. My low voltage alarm arrived today, and I'll put out a followup video soon!
That battery balance end wasn't intended to charge that battery the st60 end is for charging and discharging the ballance lead is for balancing while charging the battery. Two people need to know that battery will burn your house down if charged improperly if it gets impaled or if you overcharged it and you will damage the battery if you over discharge it be careful
@@jbengineering2681 hi there, I have since integrated a low voltage alarm and upgraded to an intelligent charger to be safe. What is the point of the charger that charges via balance leads then?
Hey buddy that jst connector is the balance leads NOT for charging it only sends very low voltage to balance the cells use the xt60 for charging. Those tiny wires on the jst aren’t for charging
Hi there! Thanks for the comment I have since picked up a low voltage alarm, and I also have a hard case battery on the way. I'll be doing a new video once I get all that stuff in! I appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
@@louischurch8013 That's fair! From what I gather charging habits and the care of the pack count for a lot. I have just released an updated video where I incorporate a low voltage alarm. Cheers!
In addition to the other comments, look out for your packs becoming puffy - and replace promptly. And for peace of mind get a flameproof lipo charge bag and/or charge in a place where 10 seconds of BBQ won't spread. But yes! And this makes me want to get a jacket.
Hi there! Solid advice! Yeah I do an inspection of the battery pre use always. I have a metal ammo box as well for charging and storage, and also added. A low voltage alarm. Thanks for the comment!
Try having a 3d printed enclosure made to hold the battery..I'd make one to hold 2 or possibly 3 batteries with a dedicated plug in board(for the battery end to what you need. 3 8000mAh batteries would give you ALL day heat and probably still be relatively comfortable laid flat against your lower back
@RegsChannel if you don't have one already a Creality is probably your best bang for your buck during black friday/holiday sales. There are better options but for ease of assembly (what little there is), print volume and quality over cost it's hard to beat. Prusa's are a no-brainer and rock solid, Anker makes a decent unit with several cool features, Bambu labs, the list is endless honestly, no want for choices
Also if you use several batteries in parallel I imagine they don't heat up to badly as the energy discharge would be halved between them but you might look into a low-profile aluminum heat exchanger to keep temps down...IF they are heating up
@mythos000000025 hey there, the battery does not heat up at all either while in use or while being charged. I attribute that to the fact that I charge it at 0.8 amps, and discharge is between 0.6 & 0.8 amps. Thanks!
I understand and appreciate the spirit of this possible alternative but the chemistry in the lipo batteries are too scary for IMO to have in a jacket pocket regularly. I’ve seen them catch fire or explode to the point charging it indoors feels risky. It’s crazy because these go in extremely fast RCs that get wrecked but it’s not next to ur body. I would weigh the benefits
Highly do not recommend using an RC car battery in your pocket of your coat unless you wanna catch on fire. I had one of those exact batteries blow up in my RC car.
@@dirtjunkienation Dan you give me more insight on the incident? Did the battery spontaneously combust or was it under load? Over/under discharged? What was it's physical condition? Cheers!
@@Clay-e8r I agree that LiPo fires can be scary, but if you mitigate the risks you should be OK! With where the battery sits on the side I think I would stand a better chance of winning the lottery, then puncturing the pack, but you just never know. I would look into a hard case alternative for next time!
Just make your own 18650 or 21700 pack. Either option will be far better than a RC pack, and far safer too! But seriously, the energy density of 18650/21700 cells is much greater than those RC packs. The RC packs are great for outputting high amounts of amps, quickly. But they don't hold lots of capacity, unlike the 18650 cells do! Just make your own pack!
The Milwaukee XP 3.0 essentially is 3 18650 cells, and you would still need some kind of BMS. I'm after keeping the size to a minimum hence the pouch cells. I appreciate the suggestion though!
Sure, but 18650 cells come in various capacity’s. It’s a simple fact that pouch cells from an RC car for example, have far greater amp output but less capacity output than lithium ion (18650). And the pouch cells should also technically require a BMS. The same theory would apply. You can run them without in the exact same way you’re running the pouch cell, it’s just not recommended (unless you monitor the voltage when discharging and charging).
Any of us RC guys as soon as we get a wall charger it either goes in the package and gets checked or get set to the side because we have really high in chargers or you can get non-break the bank chargers, but never use a wall charger, cause you can never trust it on charging properly and it could blow the battery
One disadvantage with those RC batteries is bare pouch cells have no mechanical protection. You are one poke, pinch, impact or other damage away from potential disaster. You shouldn't put bare pouch cells in your coat pockets. These really should be in some sort of enclosure to protect them from scrapes and at least blunt other common pocket damage sources.
Hi ther! Thanks for the comment! I do actually have a hard case pack on the way. The battery sits in its own pouch in the jacket. That sits on my left side. I've had some folks comment that I would be in far worse shape from whatever would have caused the pack to get damaged in the first place then what would cause it to turn into thermite! I've added a low voltage alarm into the mix as well. Cheers!
@@RegsChannel It doesn't take much to set some cells off, a lot of it is just luck or lack thereof. Some cells spontaneously burst into flames for no apparent reason, like that EV in South Korea that spontaneously burst into flames after being parked for over a week while its owner was away on vacation. Three seconds from first visible smoke on the security camera to full-blown inferno.
Sorry, but I’m not strapping a lipo battery to my body. Look up lipo battery fires. These batteries are extremely dangerous if punctured/damaged. If that thing catches on fire you aren’t getting that jacket off fast enough. Also, the additional care needed in charging and discharging these types of batteries makes them inconvenient for such a purpose.
@@danielrgusa thanks for the comment! I just got a low voltage buzzer and have a hard case version on the way, as well as a more robust charger. I've learned a lot about the hazards as well as ways to mitigate the risks thanks to the good folks here!
@@jimlachance2181 smart, I would also invest in the low voltage alarm along with a good balance charger (I recently upgraded to the B6) cheers and best of luck!
"The difference between high and medium is pretty negligible, so I run it on high." Uh... What? So you intentionally consume extra energy at no perceptible benefit? Neat...
Any of us RC guys as soon as we get a wall charger it either goes in the package and gets checked or get set to the side because we have really high in chargers or you can get non-break the bank chargers, but never use a wall charger, cause you can never trust it on charging properly and it could blow the battery. It’s not safe to do. You’re literally doing at your own risk.
Hey there, I'm having a hard time following what you are saying here. In the original video I was using the B3 balance charger, I have since upgraded to a B6 charger with a display, and a level of customization when it comes to both charging and storage. Are these classified as "wall chargers" ? Thanks!
@@michaelbottomly2921 thanks for taking the time to voice your concern. If you have a chance, check out my latest video where I address these concerns. Thanks!
pls do some good research on those batteries. they have specific discharge voltages you don't want to go under as well as overcharge. that charger you bought is very cheap and may not be smart enough to detect when it needs to stop or when a battery is bad. I've had a few brand new battery's puff up and burn up on the charger. you can never be too safe. there are bags and containers dedicated for storage and charging incase they do decide to burn. RC cars have ESCs that will stop the battery from draining down below a certain voltage cause its not good for the battery, rc planes also use low voltage buzzers that beep when you're running low so you can hear it before your plane drops from the sky. your jacket wont have any of those meaning it will drain the battery past its limits. a low voltage buzzer should do the trick, it tells you the total voltage, each cells voltage and will beep at the set cut off. just keep in mind it uses the battery too to stay on so it can run down use time
@@ricardogarcia3599 some good points overall! I actually have a low voltage buzzer now, I store/ charge the batteries in an old metal ammo container, and have a B6 charger on the way. Cheers!
@@MitchOfCanada Good point! I have an old metal ammo box I leave them in, and yes the manufacturer specifies right on the charger not to use it unattended. Thanks for the comment!
@@Angry-Little-Fish thanks for the comment! I would start off by finding out what voltage you need, then source the proper adapters. Low voltage cut off alarms or some type of BMS is a must. Make sure you follow all the necessary safety precautions for LiPo batteries and understand the risks. Good luck!
@@Christoph_NTX That's totally fair, as pointed out by many, they are not without their risks. You need to assess them, and then take steps to mitigate them if you go down this road. I did an updated video where I got a better quality charger, as well as added a low voltage alarm to the mix. Cheers!
@@tomhow12 yup, I'm aware but that battery is only the equivalent of 3Ah. Meaning you are going to get Into the same runtime issues. I'm willing to bet there are about 10x more of the older style jackets out there vs. the new Hexon ones based on how long they have been around. Cheers!
@@adrianrobinson7953 read the comments in the video or check out my latest video, you need to assess the risks and take all the necessary precautions to do this safely. This is up to you to educate yourself on the hazards as well as the methods to mitigate those risks. The community here has been great at pointing out better ways to do this. Cheers!
DO NOT DO THIS!!! There is a reason it didn’t shut down when you thought. these batteries have 0 protection and will keep running until dead dead. 0 volts. And when you do this they are a huge fire/ explosion hazard. And when recharging even when they are used properly they should be charged in fire proof bags. They are very volatile. I use these for drones and I won’t even keep them in my house. They are a huge fire risk.
@@RegsChannelit is a hazard when around or below 3 volts the cell with puff up and it will cause damage and be unstable which can be very dangerous to charge back up
lol. So many reasons this isn’t the safest idea. Make sure not to get the voltage too low, don’t let it get wet and don’t let the cells get pierced or bent. Lipo batteries like that don’t have a battery management system like the Milwaukee or power banks. Also make sure to use a balance charger.
@@4acae86 Hi there, thanks for the feedback! I just picked up a low voltage alarm, and I have a hard shell pack on the way. My charger says it's a balance charger but I'm looking into one that can actually discharge to storage voltage. I'll be putting out an updated video once everything gets here.
@@RegsChannel awesome. You should be pretty good with the low voltage alarm and a hard pack. Lipo batteries are like a knife, a great useful tool that needs to be respected so that pot doesn’t bite you. Another good option is a LiFePo4 battery as they are a lot safer and have an onboard bms. Not sure if they make compact ones though. The big advantage with a lipo and the reason they are used in RC is their high discharge rate, but with that there is a little bit of risk side it’s just a raw battery.
Do not to this, huge safety risk. Your normal tool batteries have something called a BMS ( Battery Management System), its something that protects for shorts, and deep,discharge ( more stuff aswell) If a lithium battery is to deep discharged it alters the chemistry of the cell and form micro shorts. This is a huge safety risk cause those shorts will severely increase the risk for fire when using and especially when charging. Those batteries will explode and burn with over a 1000 degrees Celsius. Never ever use a lithium battery without a BMS and an active charging balancer. Also pouch cells are not really suited for that application because they are very sensitive to bending and getting punctured which you guessed increases the risk of fire, so use them with a shell.
Hi there! Thanks for the comment. True, I plan to speak to this in my next video. My charger charges at 0.8c or 800mAh. The battery is cold to the touch while charging so I think I'm ok there!
Milwaukee jackets only do 9 watts of heating power, it's a total sham. Go to the motorcycle store or online and get a hotwire jacket, it's made for motorcycles. It provides 80 watts of heating power, you can run them off drill batteries, you're welcome 😉
This is way overkill. You need a usb c trigger to dc adapter. Use a usb c battery pack (way safer as mentioned many times here than LiPo) and then boom - I have 8+ hours of run time with an Anker 20k mAh battery pack. The pros are i can even plug in the coat directly to my cellphone charger in the car, or my bigger batteries at home. My Anker 20k (with built in USB C) lasts me 8+ hours. Pros are i can natively charge my phone too. AND its way WAY safer than LiPo. Please be safe when dealing with LiPo. A usb C to DC trigger can be found for ~$20, my anker 20k battery bank (which is native USB C i think was ~$45) and i dont have to attach a bunch of useless adapters to it AND most important - its WAY more safe.
@@jaredpnk thanks for the perspective, I have the Anker 26800 pack and it's massive. I can't emphasize the size and weight savings if using one of these. Yep there are safety concerns one needs to take into account no doubt about it, but the USB C packs are big boys.
@@RegsChannel that's why I said the 20k pack. It's similar size and safer by FAR, and the benefits of USB vs some other DC connector far outweigh any benefits you may get from this method. Sure it works, but there's better out there. My Anker 10k power bank is even smaller than your pack here, and it still is safer. Obviously whatever works for you that's fine I'm glad you found a solution. But this isn't the best option or safest.
@@RegsChannel I guess I'm just asking for you to make fair comparisons. Sure the Anker 26800 pack is huge. I have two of them. I fully agree with you there The 20k with built in usb c is lighter than that one. The Anker 10k with USB c built in is even smaller yet and I still get 5-6 hours on high if not more. LiPo is fine if you know how to use it safely, but the majority of people don't. By the time you add in the needed protection, the adapters etc a USB C power bank is cheaper, smaller(potentially) and FAR safer.
AND with both packs I can have them topped off in the car, with any charger that goes into a 12v socket in your car, another power bank, etc. it'll charge a LOT faster than what you have here too. Obviously options are good, but either way, glad you found something that works.
@@Magicinstalls hi there, thanks for the comment, my primary reason for going with the LiPo was the smaller form factor. As I stated in the video I am primarily sitting down and it's nice to not have that bulbous pack poking me in the back. Cheers!
@Magicinstalls good stuff, make sure you do your homework on all the necessary safety precautions to follow if you choose to do this, but so far I can't complain with the results!
@@bakeralex201 consider the application and use case however. The jacket discharges between 0.6 & 0.8 amps... Battery stays protected in the back pocket area (I've also added a low voltage alarm) and I recharge the battery at 0.8 amps... Aside from a hard case I think I've mitigated the risks fairly well? I do have some follow up videos coming that will delve deeper into the safety sod EOD things as well. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
RC guy, here - nice find, but those Zeee batteries are among the lowest-quality available and, in spite of their price, are actually a rip-off. Cheers -
Thanks for the comment! Remember I'm discharging these at less than one amp, and also charging them at the same rate. (Along with taking the proper safety precautions) So far so good for this application. Cheers!
@@RegsChannel good point - you might actually get most of the rated capacity at that rate. Here's a tip - if you only charge to 4.1 volts per cell (instead of 4.2), the thing last twice as long.
@mlentsch thanks for the advice! The rest of the gear should be here in the next few days and I'll get an updated video out! The new charger should allow me to set max charge voltage. Cheers!
@@Kalvin-l2x Thanks for taking time to comment. Can you share under what conditions they "light up" that you observed? I've released an updated video that goes more in depth as well. Thanks!
Highly recommend to get a lipo low voltage buzzer, if you discharge the cells below 3.2 volts it will damage or catch fire. If the lipo is not in use store at half capacity
Thanks for the Insight! I'll look into the LV buzzer. I could see overcharging leading to an issue, but discharging the battery below 3.2 can cause an issue?
@@RegsChannel 100%. Overdischarge increases the internal pressure of the battery and leads to swelling. For a non-hardcased battery like this that's a death sentence and fire hazard.
3.2V is a bit conservative. Makita batteries internally disconnect around 15V (3V per cell), other power tools likely similar. If you buy your battery from a respectable manufacturer they should give you a full rundown of discharge curves and min/max safe voltages.
@DLiu-ff1zx Thanks for the info! Online for this particular battery shows a min voltage of 3.2v. I think when I test out the 9000 mAh hard case variant next, I'll attach the multimeter to the battery and give myself a buffer. I'm thinking a simple but effective system would be to set a timer for x amount of hours while using the heated jacket, and then meter the battery before recharging? In RC applications I feel like these batteries last minutes, whereas in this application they discharge over hours. Do you think that makes any meaningful difference? Thanks again for your insights!
@@RegsChannel There are a lot more variables than you think. Look up what a battery discharge curve looks like - voltage sag depends heavily on current draw. There's also the question of temperature. Is the pack going to be on the outside of the jacket and exposed to the ambient air? If so, cold cells sag more and you'll have to take that into account when calculating run time. Or are you going to put the pack between your body and the heating element? If that's the case, how are you going to positively ensure the pack stays under the max temp?
Realistically, running any lithium ion battery with no protection whatsoever is a gamble. For an RC car or plane, it's an acceptable gamble, because if you screw up and your pack ignites, well your RC plane usually isn't strapped to your torso when it's running full tilt.
Look, I get it. I hot rod batteries too. I build my own 21700-cell Makita packs because they refuse to put out a 1st-party solution. But this is a case where unless you buckle down and really do some research into how to ensure both your own safety and the safety of those you're seated next to, it would be a much better solution to just bring an extra M12 battery or two - where these considerations have already been accounted for - and swap out as needed.
@DLiu-ff1zx Thanks for the feedback! Sounds like you have a ton of knowledge in the field. As best I can tell, the jacket pulls around 0.6 - 0.8 amps on high. The battery pouch on the jacket is not near the elements at all, so it would be sandwiched between 2 layers of fabric only, so I imagine it wouldn't see a lot of warmth from the user. I have worn the jacket several times outdoors already, and the battery has always been cold to the touch on both charge and discharge. Also worth mentioning, I have not ran it till it to 0 (closesest I got was when I test d it in the video) I can see voltage sag being an issue in high current draw applications where you are hammering amperage out of the pack (like a power tool, drone, or other RC applications, but would using a 50c battery pulling less than an amp be as worrisome? I appreciate the information!
Being able to get the full walk to and from the stadium, and the whole game on "high" heat is going to be a game changer! I can't wait to try this out for ice fishing season!
I seriously couldn't believe how long the pack lasted! Especially considering the form factor. I'm now able to sit with my back against a seat and you don't even feel the battery pack anymore which in my opinion is the best! This would be fantastic for ice fishing!
Thanks for the video! I run those Zee 5200 batteries in my RC trucks. Just so you know - that battery is available in a hard case style instead of the soft pack you showed. Same capacity - just more durable for banging around. Just be careful about running those LiPo batteries too much lower than 3.2V per cell. Could damage them
@@JeepinMaxxThanks for the comment!! Yeah I purchased this one as a proof of concept and was blown away by the results! I just ordered the 9000 mAh version that's in the hard case and will doing a showdown between the two of them! Agreed, my plan is to do a runtime test, test voltage and then do some math to figure out a "safe" runtime for longevity
On M12 and M18 batteries, if you run them down too low the chargers won't turn on. They aren't ruined because you can charge them back up with other direct power sources such as power supplies or other fully charged batteries and they will.continue working fine. Can you do that with RC batteries?
Great video! I have the new 2024 "hexon technology" toughshell coat, and the Bluetooth features with the 3.0 flat pack battery are nice for customizing the 3 zones. The best new feature is the ability to have the heat on, but turn the light off. This provides some relief from constantly having to have the "is that a heated jacket, how does that work?" conversation 10 times a day. If only there was a way to hack the new Bluetooth features into this solution, it would be perfect!
@@IsThisThingEvenOnOrWhatThanks for the feedback! Yes I would love to get my hands on one of the newer style jackets! I'm currently trying to figure out how to make this current solution safer for folks, but there are tons of options out there! I'll keep my eyes peeled for a Bluetooth option! Cheers!
@RegsChannel I'm sure it would be possible, but it would require cannibalizing the $100 3.0 flat pack brains to get the milwaukee heated gear app to work with the R.C. battery. I might try that if/when the flat pack I have fails. I definitely recommend the new heated gear. Runs circles around the last gen. Will be sharing your video with friends!
@IsThisThingEvenOnOrWhat remember to mention that they need to understand how these LiPo RC packs work to be safe with them! I've learned a lot from the comments here over the past few days! There are some good USB alternatives with BMS's built in on Amazon. Not as small as the pouch cells but much safer! Thanks again for the support!
@@RegsChannel safer would be a lithium jump starter pack for a car. A lot of them have 3s lipo inside and have a 5.5x2.1mm output port that also has discharge protection. Also they include a charger when you buy them.
Nice video. I have been using a Talentcell 6000 li ion battery for 3-4 years now, for my Milwaukee jacket. I get 6-7 hours on high. BMS protected. comes with the same 12 volt plug that the jacket uses; no adapters needed. Can also get with a 5 volt usb plug. Includes charger (slow but ok) and splitter cable. Very happy with this product.
@@irenejuvshik651 I just looked up the specs, that looks like an incredible value for 50$! And rated at 11.1v@6000 mAh to boot! All that plus the BMS is the icing on the cake! I realize I'm living on the edge a bit with these LiPo packs, but for me I value the space savings and runtime. I think I'm going to do some more homework on this one and talk about it in my next video! Thanks again for the comment!
Reg's Channel gave me the idea. Especially the fact of the round Milwaukee battery eats into your back. But seeing your reply, I decided to go your route and ordered the TalentCell battery for my kid's hoodie for her bike riding. Thanks. If she gives me the thumbs up, I will get one for my jacket.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Honestly, I'd never have thought to consider another type of battery than that of the original manufacturer.
@@MacBolden thanks for the comment! The batteries aren't rocket science if you take the right precautions!
Just don’t bend that RC battery! It will catch fire in your pocket. They are very sensitive. Would be better to hold that RC battery in a rigid case. Maybe 3D print one…
Hey there! Thanks for the comment technically it is in a "soft" case but with where it sits in the pouch there is very little chance of it bending to a point that would have me concerned. I do like the 3D printed case idea though, and may need to look into that!
Great idea!
@nathanrasmussen8550 I think a Bambu labs printer may come down the chimney this Christmas
Race batteries are in hard cases. But all of them are sketchy
@RegsChannel 3d print a crate style case so the battery has some ventilation.
Great tips on prepping for winter hikes! I’ve learned so much from this video. Personally, staying warm has always been tricky until I discovered Evofash heated jackets. They’re lightweight, stylish, and keep you toasty even in freezing temperatures. Highly recommend for anyone heading outdoors this winter! ❄
@@Evofash thanks for the kind words! Yeah the extended runtime on these packs is fantastic! I've never heard of Evofash, I'll have to look into them a bit further!
Discovered or created?
@aarongrantthebulk I'm pretty sure created, lol!
Very cool idea! Thanks for sharing it!!
Thanks for taking the time to comment! Have a good one!
I have a m18 adapter for the jackets i use it is the hooded one that has front and back heat. I use a 5ah battery that last 8 hours and charges in a hour i love it in my jacket it can fit eather behind me or under the side pocket.only downside is its hard to get in and out but working outside all day it makes a big difference!!!!!!
Hey!! Thanks for the comment! Oh I bet! That's great to hear! Yeah the advantage of the M18 stepped down to 11.1 volts is that you will get some sick run-time! I have the Zeee 9000 mAh battery on the way and I am expecting to get 8+ hours of runtime for sure, I'll see if it can give the M18 batteries a run for their money!
@RegsChannel last year I was working on storage units the company I work for were building in Columbus and the cold sucked so I got the jacket only had 1 M12 3ah battery until I got the jacket it came with another and was constantly charging them found the M18 adapter for 20 bucks and I have 6 5ah batteries so worked out really good I also ordered a couple of heat pad kits but dint get the chance to install them in some pants or longjohns last year ended up having some health issues in February and haven't made it back to work been doing some work for a budya trying to get my health good enough to go back full time were im not taking breaks every 30 minutes to a hour lol but definitely going to try them here soon!!!!!
@stevenoe6395 Thanks for sharing! Yeah that was my gripe, all day outdoor events you need to have spare batteries, the m18's are good, but clock in at about 1.54 pounds each, plus the bulk, but if you have them already, it's hard to beat free! Hope your health improves, take care!
Where do you get the step down m18 adapter?
@danlux4954 Amazon it's not made by Milwaukee it's a generic has 2 usbs on it a c and a and the plug for the jackets it also has a flashlight on it. I think it makes the jacket hotter also but used it most of last winter with no problem only problem I had was getting it in the pocket with a 5ah battery it was easier to put the adapter in then the battery. I'm going to start using it again today probably lol I put the 12v back in since the cold here in Ohio hasn't been too bad and I'm not working outside as much yet well not working a lot yet lol
Get a full RC charger that uses the xt60 and balancer charger that you're using. Much quicker charge rates.
Thanks for the comment! I just ordered the 9000 mAh battery for testing and I'll be doing a similar setup for my heat d gloves so I may give that a go. Thanks for the advice!
@@RegsChannelMake sure you read the paper that comes with the battery. It will tell you the minimum charge rate usually .5C and max charge rate usually on zeee batterys its 1c, on a 9000mah batt that would be max 9amps and min 4.5amps. These batterys are not something to tot with have burnt down many a house and sheds. You also want to put them in a storage charge when not using them for multiple days at around 3.8V
I will definitely be getting a setup like this for my wife.
Thanks for the comment! My wife has the vest, and loves it! I'll be getting a similar setup for her, think we might go with the 8000mAh battery for hers and then I can float them between my jacket and hers.
Please don’t these are not safe for this application. They are a fire risk on the best of days. They don’t have any protection from over discharge at all.
@@wwg-worldsworstgamer6678 that's for the comment, I have learned a lot more about these over the past few days, I have a low voltage buzzer on the way and will be putting out an updated video soon.
Those batteries catch fire very easily when damaged or not charged properly it's not really a good idea
@davidmccurdy306 one definitely needs to understand the risks going into it. I've learned a lot from here, I have a low voltage alarm along with a B6 charger. I feel that the battery is pretty well protected in the spot that it's in, but like anything in life you need to weigh the risk vs. reward. Cheers!
The new jackets have a different connector on them that actually turns on the power source.
@@jeffclark5024 yeah but I think the primary barrel connector is still the same size, I feel like the secondary connector is for the Bluetooth connectivity. Once I get my hands on one, I can do some further testing. Cheers!
I’ve got a Hart heated jacket and I’m thinking of going with your method when my batteries are done.
@@1977bjhaas thanks for the comments! If you do make sure you follow all the proper safety precautions first! I have an updated video that I just released that speaks to that side of things a bit more. Cheers!
Please learn about the dangers of this type of battery.
@@stinkyvonfishstix4196 thanks for taking time to comment, I've put together another video talking more about LiPo safety in general. Thanks!
Anyone know if they make an DC to USB adapter for the new hexagon “ top off” connection ? The new hexagon jackets come with 2 DC connection. One looks bigger than the other. Will the older style DC to USB adapter work?
@@lmSteveo toy knowledge the large plug will work with the old style packs. The tiny plug I assume is for Bluetooth functionality. I need to get my hands on a. Hexon jacket to confirm this. Thanks for the comment!
Very, very interesting and informative video. Thank you.
Thank you for the comment! Remember to follow all necessary safety precautions when dealing with LiPo batteries!
They sell hard-shell batteries and smart chargers that would balance the pack when charging and be a lot safer to have strapped to your back.
Thanks for the comment! I have a hard shelled battery on the way for additional testing. My charger appears to be a balance charger however I do see some very elaborate ones online.
I have a lot of time with lipos. I fly r/c helis and play with r/c trucks.
I set the cutoff to 3.2V but you may be able to get away with 3.1 or even 3.0 if you do your due diligence and check the voltage drop when the heated gear kicks on. A big draw when it kicks on to heat when your battery is low could damage it.
you have the right connector, XT is the way to go.
@@DavidSmith-jj5pr thanks for taking the time to comment! Milwaukees batteries cut off at 3.4v, zee states 3.2v I believe. Do you have a link to them at all? Would be interested in checking them out!
I have the same battery but with plastic case from factory and i but for Milwaukee jacket to about month ago
Just be mindful and make sure you are taking the proper safety precautions as many folks in the comments have stated. Thanks for the comment!
Thanks, I like it .I am looking to replace my old vest and wanted a Milwaukee , with this setup, I really think I will like that battery pack
Sounds good! Remember to follow all the recommended safety precautions if going down this road. Cheers!
Clever. But how do you protect the battery from over discharging? Running a lipo pack to the point where it has no more juice, makes it fairly dangerous to recharge, especially on a cheap charger. Rc lipo battery packs are “dumb” unlike tool battery packs. There’s nothing in the pack to prevent you from over charging, or over discharging.
@@Plzdontcrash Hi there, thanks for the comment! The folks in the RC community have been an incredible source of information. I picked up a low voltage alarm that arrived yesterday, but also had made a point to not run the jacket for more than about 4 hours. My charger has an indicator for each cell and my meter shows me approx 4.2v per cell fully charged, but I do acknowledge that I should have a better charger, especially so I can get these to better storage voltage. I have a much better understanding of the risks associated with these, and plan to do an updated video once the additional hardware arrives in the next few days. Cheers!
I recommend the M12 heated vest. I wear it as a base layer with a hoodie and jacket on top. I work outside during the winter and it lasts all day on low with a 3ah battery. Keep a second in my lunch box just in case but I rarely need it.
Hi there! Thanks for the comment. I got one for my wife and she loves hers. It doesn't have as many heating zones. Given that, yes I can see it lasting longer! How cold does it get where you are? If you are moving around and working on it I can see it keeping you warm! Remember I bought mine to drink beer in and watch football 😂 So I am stationary the majority of the time. Cheers!
A couple of things, that is a 3S pack, or 3 separate cells of 3.7v each x 3 is 11.1 rated voltage. It looks like that charger might not be a balance type charger which means it charges across all the cells in series to charge. A balance charger charges each cell separately to keep them in "balance" or at the same voltage. Constant charging without balance could eventually result in one of the cells splitting off from the others and overcharging or under voltage. It might be a balance type not sure. Also, the 3S battery pack has a minimum safe discharge voltage of 10.2 volts. The battery pack does not have circuit to shut off the pack, that is handled by the device plugged into. But since the jacket would not shut off at the 10.2V because it is set up for the Milwaukee M12 type. Going down to 9.9 is below the minimum safe and might result in cell damage or reduced life.
Hey there! Thanks for the insightful comments! The charger I got does indicate that it is in fact a balanced charger, and the 3 lights on it correspond to each individual cell. They go from red to green individually once charged, so I think I'm good there! In terms of the voltage, I contacted Zeee support and for each cell I'm good between 3.2 & 4.3 volts however you are correct, frequent trips to 3.2 volts won't be great for the longevity of the battery. However, with the added runtime I don't think I'll ever need to run it to dead... I plan to do another video testing out their 8000 /9000 mAh battery and am going to try and speak to low voltage situations as you have suggested. Again for the cost/performance/size even if this battery lasted 100-200 cycles I am beyond happy!
@@RegsChannel the cutoff voltage for m12 tools is more like 9.6v, the m12 batteries dont have any protection built into them they are just dumb 18650 cells the tool/jacket does the battery protection. not sure what your electronics skills are like but its likely not that difficult to change the circuit in the jacket to cut off at a higher voltage so then you dont have to add extra protection for the battery.
The lipos have to be balanced charge and stay at the storage charge do not deplete the Lipo completely
Sound advice, thanks for the comment!
Nice video. I would like to see this with a 4S pack which would be 14.8 volts. Maybe this would produce higher heat and possibly low or medium setting which would still be higher than 11.1 on high. I’ve been in cold situations where hotter would be better.
@@maximusmock thanks for the kind words! I'm not too sure how the jacket would hold up to higher voltage to be honest, I'm thinking you might burn up an element... If I can get my hands on one of the new tough shell jackets I would gladly "overclock" my current one lol! Something that may help, with my heated gloves I sized them down, made a huge difference in warmth! Doing that with the jacket could help. The closer you can get the elements to your body the warmer it will feel!
I've been using my 18v ridgid battery on my m12 hoodie for the last 3 years with zero issues.
It is noticeably warmer than the 12v, the down side is the bulkier battery.
@hdlivemodels very cool! What kind of an adapter did you use?
I agree with others, get a hard case LiPo. Also snag a fire bag to use in your pocket in the off chance it bursts into fire. It will buy you a few precious seconds to get the jacket off. It won’t prevent or stop a fire, but just might keep flames at bay long enough. Also, do stadiums in Canada allow you to take in large batteries? I can’t imagine this is allowed in the US.
@@jondilly1974 hi there! Just did an updated video where I added a low voltage alarm, and also got a better charger. Yep, had no problem taking it to games here. I'm looking into 3D printing a hard case for this one currently. Remember I'm pulling 0.6-0.8 amps of current from the battery with the jacket on high, and I also charge it at the same rate. I do believe that there is a correlation between how had you are on the battery with things like current draw and over/under discharge resulting in it turning into basically thermite lol. Folks do need to understand the risks involved, educate themselves, then make a decision from there! Cheers
make a video on the 8k mah one i work outside in washington and its starting to get cold in the mornings would love to see how long it lasts
Thanks for the comment! I've been doing some research and I think they actually make a 9.0Ah one that would be compatible... That should get you 9-10 hours of runtime on high, all in a one pound package! I already have it in the cart on Amazon!
I wonder if this would work with a updated hexon milwaukee jacket. They have a different connector. Try those jackets if you dont have the old jackets guys milwaukee fixed the runtime issues. Great video man ill give this a try.
I believe the new jackets have a dual plug I'm assuming the primary plug is for the heating elements, while the secondary plug might be for sending data to the fancy Bluetooth bits on their new battery pack?
My issue is when using a power bank it just doesn’t get hot enough for me.does it get a hot as stock?
@@adrianrobinson7953 yep it sure does!
Great idea, but you need a deal to stop the discharge at 3.2v or your prob looking at damaging the battery. Prob should have something to regulate the input as well.. Thanks!
Hi there! I picked up a low voltage alarm and have a more robust charger, as well as a hard shell battery on the way!
It looks like others beat me to it thankfully but i came here to mention that you need to protect from over discharge. Id also recommend getting a hardcase lipo. You may not think they are fragile because the packs are firm and feel solid but they are in a foil pouch. If you accidentally snag it on something, or slip and fall etc and puncture the pack they can start on fire. I could see this becoming a very painful accident. I can see this being a great idea, i have the Milwaukee heated winter jacket and the heated hoodie as well, and half a dozen 3s lipos but please please use caution doing this, i would also not leave the battery plugged in all the time because sometimes these types of devices can still have a very small current draw even when off. A good example of this are the rc cars themselves. Anyone who has ever forgotten to disconnect the battery and later comes back to realize they ruined a battery and its at like 1.8v per cell will understand. Lipos require a certain level of knowledge and safety practices and i dont want you to burn your house down or hurt your family over a warm jacket!
@@dandieleman2715Thank you for this! It's comments like this that not only help me learn, but to also better appreciate the community ❤️. Yes I couldn't agree more! I'll be doing an updated video shortly I have acquired a low voltage alarm, have a hard case battery on the way, as well as a better quality charger! When done the battery goes in my metal ammo container now, and I plan to speak to storage voltage and care. I want folks to understand the risk, but also to weigh those against the benefits . Cheers!
He already mentioned that in the vid!
Awesome video. Thanks. I have three of the M12 hoodies and runtime is definitely an issue and you're right. The low setting is pretty much useless. I'm not into RC but I will be getting one of those batteries and chargers to try it out.
I wish I had waited before buying the M12 "Heated Gear Power Source". I got it hoping it would be a bit more less noticeable but I find it's actually worse than the normal M12 batteries and runtime is about the same.
Thanks again and good luck with your Blue Bombers. I hope they beat those sucky Argos.
Thanks for the kind words! Are you referring to fat Milwaukee flat battery pack with Bluetooth? My big gripe with it again is runtime, it's only around 2.5-3.0AH. I have the 9000 mAh battery with adapters on the way and will do a full review once I get it! For me the 5200 sits nicely on my left side and is barely noticeable when sitting down. My wife has also used it in her vest and loves it as you don't see a huge bulge. Can't wait for my Blue Bombers to bring home another Grey Cup in a few hours! Let us know how you make out with the battery! Cheers.
@@RegsChannel Yes, the flat one with BT and 3Ah. The only positive I find with it is the app can tell me the percentage left. I just put my order in for that 5200 Ah and charger and adapter.
@daifeichu awesome, sounds good!
@@daifeichu just a word of caution as many others have pointed out, invest in a low voltage buzzer as well to prevent over discharge. Trying to charge a lipo cells from a low voltage state can cause a major safety hazard!
I’m thinking this won’t work with the hex jacket.
@@DriHand I need to get my hands on one to verify, but I think it will as hexon is compatible with the older style batteries
Is there an adapter yet for Milwaukee's new Hexon heated clothing using the 2-prong F-shaped plug?
One of the 2 prongs should Interface with the old battery adapter. I can only assume the second plug is for the Bluetooth functionality. Won't know until someone send me a Hexon jacket, or I pick one up. Cheers!
I would use a hard case instead of a soft case for a battery. You can get cheap r/c chargers, around $20. Look for a imax b6 style charger. They are either blue or black. Brands vary but they are the same. They have a digital display to tell you tons of info on your battery. Also you need to use a lipo low battery alarm. They are super cheap. Like 4 bucks. They plug into the balance lead on the pack and a alarm goes off it hits under 3v a cell which will damage the lipo and possibly cause a short and fire. Please be safe.
*Also when the battery is not in use they need to be stored at storage voltage which is 3.7v a cell, the above mentioned charger can put the pack into storage mode. I've had several of those cheap chargers when i got back into rc. They will work fine for this purpose.
@@traildevil67Thank you for this! My voltage alarm showed up yesterday, and my hard case battery should be here tonight. I saw the B6 and it looks like it's well worth the 40$ CAD. I've made a habit of leaving the battery around 50 percent when not in use. Can you confirm that the B6 can get a battery to storage voltage? If so can you share a link? I'm looking to get one and then put out an updated video with all the feedback I've got from here!
RC batteries do not have a built in BMS so you can easily run them below the 3.0v mark and cause damage. Unless the jacket cuts off at particular voltage but that’s doubtful. M12 batteries have a BMS with low voltage cut off built in.
Just get a buzzer to be safe and avoid over discharging for sure.
@@mk2mike Hey there! I have learned a ton more about these batteries from the community here over the past few days and taking the proper precautions is a must. I'm going to order one of the buzzers asap. I did reach out to Milwaukee (doubt I will hear back though!) in regards to if the heated gear has a BMS or not. I have heard conflicting details that the M18 batteries have them built into the battery but that the M12 has it built into the tool. If it had a cutoff I think we would be golden. I have heated snowmobile gloves from FXR, and the batteries look nearly the same as these LiPo cells albeit smaller, no BMS, yet in the gloves you have just the power button I can't feel any extra "hardware" unlike the M12 jacket.
I'm going to be doing a followup video soon talking specifically about precautions one should take based on what I have learned here. I will say that I have been using a proper charger with the battery, and I have been monitoring the voltage once I'm done using the jacket. I've used it several times so far, and have ran it into the 4-5 hour range. Battery has been cold to the touch both during use and while charging, but I will take care to make sure it doesn't turn into thermite! Have a good one!
@@RegsChannelthe M12 battery has a BMS in side as well. I rebuild them here at home. Every one I have repaired has a BMS in them so far
@kevinroberts781 what ate your thoughts on a guy adapting that BMS to a LiPo battery? Or is that crazy talk?
@@RegsChannel or same type of BMS I should say. Same exact voltage
@kevinroberts781 good to know, my buzzer showed up today, waiting on a few other parts and I'm going to do an updated video!
I’ve tried the power bank it’s no where near the heat..will this be better?
@@adrianrobinson7953 this is straight 11.1 volts. It's the equivalent voltage of a Milwaukee pack. The usb pack was probably limited to 5 volts. Cheers!
I used to use the M18 CP 2.0 Ah battery in my heated gear, and it would last a long time. The bulk wasn't any worse than using an M12 5.0 Ah "mushroom" style battery, and it would actually be more comfortable than using that style anyway, because it was flat.
Thanks for the feedback! I think comfort is a bit subjective, for me I find this style more comfortable personally. Cheers!
He stays high all the time.😂😅😂
@@davidpenney7691 thanks for the comment lol!
@RegsChannel you said it
How do you connect it though. Different leads.
@@danmcguffin4219 I highlight the adapters I use in the video. Please check out my latest now for additional safety info. Thanks!
@RegsChannel ok thanks
I use a TackLife 16500mAh (61Wh) battery that has the correct pole plug socket and outputs 12v @10A in my Milwaukee ToughShell :) I'll have to do a runtime test like yours but it lasts forever!
@@TunaSoda is that tacklife a car jump starter? I have a 26800mAh Anker battery pack with an adapter cable that I will be doing soon as well.
@@RegsChannel Yes, it used to be on Amazon, the Tacklife T6 Car Jump Starter 600A Peak lol It is a bit of a beast in size, but only really bothers me sitting in the car.
@TunaSoda right on, the reason I went with the LiPo pack was in predominantly sitting when using it and it, for me at least is almost undetectable! I can imagine you must get some sick runtime out of a pack that size!
Ordered mine today! lol
@@gerrykmet1206 lol sounds great! Glad the video helped!
Great idea works with DEWALT as well
@@MEl02907- Thanks for the kind words! Yep, I would imagine that if the plug is similar it would work! Only point to look out for is the DeWalt system is 20 volts I believe, so you may need to look at the 22.2v lipo cells. Hope that helps!
Mine has the 12v/20v duel power jacket! Works great. Used your items but got the bigger battery.
its 5200mAh at 50c discharge rate, your not discharging at anywhere near 50c (about 260amps yes rc batteries can put out insane amps) so at the low discharge rate of the jacket its likely you will see better mAh performance than the sticker says as its not being drained at a high discharge rate in your application. just be careful not to over discharge or over charge or pierce the outer insulation as it will spit 2 foot flames out the side of it if damaged, they are a lot more volatile than the 18650 cells in the Milwaukee batteries and wont tolerate much bashing around.
Thanks for the comment! Sound advice, I have a low voltage alarm now, and a more robust charger and hard shell battery on the way. Cheers!
My lipo charger icharger x6 charges such batteries in about 15-20 minutes . That lipo can be charged at 5c comfortably so if you want to step up your game you could safely charge it at 30amps and be done in literally seconds 😊 trust me I’m a professional been in the hobby working for about 19 years. This was a cool video I did this long time ago myself but I use a way smaller battery and get about 4 hours run time. Also avoid going to 3.2v per cell. I try not to go lower than 10v on the entire pack. In a perfect world don’t even go under 11.1v this will give you the longest battery cycle life overtime. And you could also pick up a high voltage version of lipo battery which can take you from a full charged pack voltage of normally it’s 12.6v to around 13.2v which would mean two things, warmer jacket and longer play time
Thanks for the kind words! I picked up a 9000mAh pack and will be doing an updated video soon! I've been doing some additional testing using low voltage alarms and have set the floor at 3.4v per cell. (Zeee says I'm good to 3.2v per cell but the internet says that's blasphemy!) If anyone was interested in donating me a jacket I would gladly "overclock" it with a 4s battery and see what happens! Cheers!
Keep in mind you can discharge an rc battery to a point where you can't recharge them,. Very easily. They have no discharge limit protection.
@@daleb5967 understood, I had a low voltage buzzer arrived yesterday and have not ran the jacket to 0. Also have a hard case battery on the way. I will be putting out a video on these soon!
C'est une très bonne idée. Merci!
Merci pour les gentils mots! assurez-vous d’abord d’examiner les précautions de sécurité appropriées. acclamations!
Nice Video 🤛🏼
Thanks for the kind words! Have an awesome day!!
So with it plugged in and the jacket is on high, the battery will shut off when it gets to the safe low voltage? Excellent video.
Hey there, so we have established it will NOT. I have ordered a low voltage buzzer and will put out an updated video when it arrives. Needless to say I have learned a ton about lipo cells over the past few days! I've used the jacket a few times for a few hours at a time but I check the battery with my multimeter and made sure to keep it above 9.9 volts. Thanks for the comment!
New subscriber, looking forward to seeing the review of the low volt alarm buzzer.
@Kolsch221 I just got them in today! Also have the 9000 mAh hard case battery coming in as well to showdown!
@@RegsChannel looking forward to the link. I ordered the xt90 adapter.
@Kolsch221 I would highly suggest you look into the rest of the safety gear as well and do your homework on best handling and use procedures. My low voltage alarm arrived today, and I'll put out a followup video soon!
That battery balance end wasn't intended to charge that battery the st60 end is for charging and discharging the ballance lead is for balancing while charging the battery. Two people need to know that battery will burn your house down if charged improperly if it gets impaled or if you overcharged it and you will damage the battery if you over discharge it be careful
@@jbengineering2681 hi there, I have since integrated a low voltage alarm and upgraded to an intelligent charger to be safe. What is the point of the charger that charges via balance leads then?
Hey buddy that jst connector is the balance leads NOT for charging it only sends very low voltage to balance the cells use the xt60 for charging. Those tiny wires on the jst aren’t for charging
Thanks for the comment!
The big issue is you now have no
Protection against over discharging the battery.
Hi there! Thanks for the comment I have since picked up a low voltage alarm, and I also have a hard case battery on the way. I'll be doing a new video once I get all that stuff in! I appreciate the feedback. Thanks!
Thank you for the video Keep up the good work Always put God first
Thanks for the comment! Remember to follow all necessary safety precautions if you decide to try this!
If you have ever had one catch on fire you wouldn’t put that in your pocket lol
@@louischurch8013 That's fair! From what I gather charging habits and the care of the pack count for a lot. I have just released an updated video where I incorporate a low voltage alarm. Cheers!
AWSOME review. I'm sold. 8000ma hell yea!!!
@@ShanePowell-d2t I should have the video review of the 9000mAh one out in the next day or two!
In addition to the other comments, look out for your packs becoming puffy - and replace promptly. And for peace of mind get a flameproof lipo charge bag and/or charge in a place where 10 seconds of BBQ won't spread. But yes! And this makes me want to get a jacket.
Hi there! Solid advice! Yeah I do an inspection of the battery pre use always. I have a metal ammo box as well for charging and storage, and also added. A low voltage alarm. Thanks for the comment!
Try having a 3d printed enclosure made to hold the battery..I'd make one to hold 2 or possibly 3 batteries with a dedicated plug in board(for the battery end to what you need. 3 8000mAh batteries would give you ALL day heat and probably still be relatively comfortable laid flat against your lower back
Very cool idea! I'm thinking about cooking up something over the holidays involving a 3D printer. Stay tuned!
@RegsChannel if you don't have one already a Creality is probably your best bang for your buck during black friday/holiday sales. There are better options but for ease of assembly (what little there is), print volume and quality over cost it's hard to beat. Prusa's are a no-brainer and rock solid, Anker makes a decent unit with several cool features, Bambu labs, the list is endless honestly, no want for choices
Also if you use several batteries in parallel I imagine they don't heat up to badly as the energy discharge would be halved between them but you might look into a low-profile aluminum heat exchanger to keep temps down...IF they are heating up
@mythos000000025 hey there, the battery does not heat up at all either while in use or while being charged. I attribute that to the fact that I charge it at 0.8 amps, and discharge is between 0.6 & 0.8 amps. Thanks!
Good video keep it up
@@waterfall8526 thanks for the kind words, much appreciated! I actually just put out an updated video!
Practice removing the jacket quickly if-when the battery lights off
@@funone8716 Thanks for the comment
Should make it a hard shell lipo battery, instead of a soft shell, less chance of it bending and catching on fire
@@mikegardner9215 thanks for the advice, much appreciated!
I understand and appreciate the spirit of this possible alternative but the chemistry in the lipo batteries are too scary for IMO to have in a jacket pocket regularly. I’ve seen them catch fire or explode to the point charging it indoors feels risky. It’s crazy because these go in extremely fast RCs that get wrecked but it’s not next to ur body. I would weigh the benefits
I appreciate your input. Thanks for the comment!
Highly do not recommend using an RC car battery in your pocket of your coat unless you wanna catch on fire. I had one of those exact batteries blow up in my RC car.
@@dirtjunkienation Dan you give me more insight on the incident? Did the battery spontaneously combust or was it under load? Over/under discharged? What was it's physical condition? Cheers!
Cool video
@@nathanwhite5602 thanks for the comments!
lipo fires can be scary inside of your coat... just be careful not to punct. it
@@Clay-e8r I agree that LiPo fires can be scary, but if you mitigate the risks you should be OK! With where the battery sits on the side I think I would stand a better chance of winning the lottery, then puncturing the pack, but you just never know. I would look into a hard case alternative for next time!
Just make your own 18650 or 21700 pack. Either option will be far better than a RC pack, and far safer too! But seriously, the energy density of 18650/21700 cells is much greater than those RC packs. The RC packs are great for outputting high amounts of amps, quickly. But they don't hold lots of capacity, unlike the 18650 cells do! Just make your own pack!
The Milwaukee XP 3.0 essentially is 3 18650 cells, and you would still need some kind of BMS. I'm after keeping the size to a minimum hence the pouch cells. I appreciate the suggestion though!
Sure, but 18650 cells come in various capacity’s. It’s a simple fact that pouch cells from an RC car for example, have far greater amp output but less capacity output than lithium ion (18650). And the pouch cells should also technically require a BMS. The same theory would apply. You can run them without in the exact same way you’re running the pouch cell, it’s just not recommended (unless you monitor the voltage when discharging and charging).
Any of us RC guys as soon as we get a wall charger it either goes in the package and gets checked or get set to the side because we have really high in chargers or you can get non-break the bank chargers, but never use a wall charger, cause you can never trust it on charging properly and it could blow the battery
Thanks for the comment!
One disadvantage with those RC batteries is bare pouch cells have no mechanical protection. You are one poke, pinch, impact or other damage away from potential disaster. You shouldn't put bare pouch cells in your coat pockets. These really should be in some sort of enclosure to protect them from scrapes and at least blunt other common pocket damage sources.
Hi ther! Thanks for the comment! I do actually have a hard case pack on the way. The battery sits in its own pouch in the jacket. That sits on my left side. I've had some folks comment that I would be in far worse shape from whatever would have caused the pack to get damaged in the first place then what would cause it to turn into thermite! I've added a low voltage alarm into the mix as well. Cheers!
@@RegsChannel It doesn't take much to set some cells off, a lot of it is just luck or lack thereof.
Some cells spontaneously burst into flames for no apparent reason, like that EV in South Korea that spontaneously burst into flames after being parked for over a week while its owner was away on vacation. Three seconds from first visible smoke on the security camera to full-blown inferno.
@teardowndan5364 thanks for the feedback!
Use a bms, aka battery management system. It will not let your lipo drain down past a set limit such as 20% left. Look in the rc hobby industry
@@fusionsvt00 thanks for the feedback! I have picked up a low voltage alarm and have been using that but a BMS would be the dream!
Sorry, but I’m not strapping a lipo battery to my body. Look up lipo battery fires. These batteries are extremely dangerous if punctured/damaged. If that thing catches on fire you aren’t getting that jacket off fast enough. Also, the additional care needed in charging and discharging these types of batteries makes them inconvenient for such a purpose.
@@danielrgusa thanks for the comment! I just got a low voltage buzzer and have a hard case version on the way, as well as a more robust charger. I've learned a lot about the hazards as well as ways to mitigate the risks thanks to the good folks here!
Something for people to think about I’m going to try this but going to get a hard case I used my jacket for work
@@jimlachance2181 smart, I would also invest in the low voltage alarm along with a good balance charger (I recently upgraded to the B6) cheers and best of luck!
"The difference between high and medium is pretty negligible, so I run it on high."
Uh... What? So you intentionally consume extra energy at no perceptible benefit? Neat...
@@Wrenchmonkey1I will take all the warmth I can get my friend. Thanks for taking the time to comment on that!
lol
Amp hour ratings are dumb. (Kilo) watt hours is an actual power number. Hi from Brandon MB
@@justindarkcloud Thanks for the comment! Nice to see a fellow Canuck!
I have 600 in rc batteries. Now I know what to do with them!
@@SirHC888 thanks for commenting, make sure you follow all the necessary safety precautions!
Amazon sells a better soft skinny battery that last 8 hours on high. No adapters needed
@@444420keith thanks for taking the time to comment! Cheers
Any of us RC guys as soon as we get a wall charger it either goes in the package and gets checked or get set to the side because we have really high in chargers or you can get non-break the bank chargers, but never use a wall charger, cause you can never trust it on charging properly and it could blow the battery. It’s not safe to do. You’re literally doing at your own risk.
Hey there, I'm having a hard time following what you are saying here. In the original video I was using the B3 balance charger, I have since upgraded to a B6 charger with a display, and a level of customization when it comes to both charging and storage. Are these classified as "wall chargers" ? Thanks!
Exclent way to start a fire
@@michaelbottomly2921 thanks for taking the time to voice your concern. If you have a chance, check out my latest video where I address these concerns. Thanks!
pls do some good research on those batteries. they have specific discharge voltages you don't want to go under as well as overcharge. that charger you bought is very cheap and may not be smart enough to detect when it needs to stop or when a battery is bad. I've had a few brand new battery's puff up and burn up on the charger. you can never be too safe. there are bags and containers dedicated for storage and charging incase they do decide to burn. RC cars have ESCs that will stop the battery from draining down below a certain voltage cause its not good for the battery, rc planes also use low voltage buzzers that beep when you're running low so you can hear it before your plane drops from the sky. your jacket wont have any of those meaning it will drain the battery past its limits. a low voltage buzzer should do the trick, it tells you the total voltage, each cells voltage and will beep at the set cut off. just keep in mind it uses the battery too to stay on so it can run down use time
@@ricardogarcia3599 some good points overall! I actually have a low voltage buzzer now, I store/ charge the batteries in an old metal ammo container, and have a B6 charger on the way. Cheers!
for that price, buy 2 or 3 batteries and change daily while the other charges
Hey there, at least where I am this, with all the parts was actually cheaper than buying a single higher capacity battery. Cheers!
Do not charge or leave those batteries overnight or out of a metal box🔥
@@MitchOfCanada Good point! I have an old metal ammo box I leave them in, and yes the manufacturer specifies right on the charger not to use it unattended. Thanks for the comment!
I’m trying to have a power bank in my backpack to keep it on while I drive my motorcycle then the little batteries when I walk
@@Angry-Little-Fish thanks for the comment! I would start off by finding out what voltage you need, then source the proper adapters. Low voltage cut off alarms or some type of BMS is a must. Make sure you follow all the necessary safety precautions for LiPo batteries and understand the risks. Good luck!
Can’t charge your phone off it.
Yup accurate but it will keep you warm for over 5 hours and you barely know it's there.
Excellent!!
@@OdinsCloud thanks for the kind words! Be sure to follow all the safety precautions if you go down this road!
I just wouldn't feel comfortable walking around with a Lipo cell on me
@@Christoph_NTX That's totally fair, as pointed out by many, they are not without their risks. You need to assess them, and then take steps to mitigate them if you go down this road. I did an updated video where I got a better quality charger, as well as added a low voltage alarm to the mix. Cheers!
@ 1. I love that you replied 2. I love that you even made an updated video 3. Merry Christmas!
Milwaukee makes a new battery for the jackets in the shape of a flask
And it has usb c
Fits into the pocket easily
@@tomhow12 yup, I'm aware but that battery is only the equivalent of 3Ah. Meaning you are going to get Into the same runtime issues. I'm willing to bet there are about 10x more of the older style jackets out there vs. the new Hexon ones based on how long they have been around. Cheers!
That new pack also uses a bluetooth antenna which in itself will trickle drain and can't be shut off (from what I am hearing)
@TunaSoda and is still only about 3Ah. I can appreciate the need to innovate, but I don't think I need an app controlled jacket.
9:43 Hidden kittie! :)
Good catch!
And do NOT CHARGER THE BATTERY THE NIGHT BEFORE NEVER LEAVE A LIPO CHARGED you need to keep them in storage state
Thanks for the feedback! My B6 charger has a storage mode on it. Cheers!
How dangerous is this?
@@adrianrobinson7953 read the comments in the video or check out my latest video, you need to assess the risks and take all the necessary precautions to do this safely. This is up to you to educate yourself on the hazards as well as the methods to mitigate those risks. The community here has been great at pointing out better ways to do this. Cheers!
DO NOT DO THIS!!! There is a reason it didn’t shut down when you thought. these batteries have 0 protection and will keep running until dead dead. 0 volts. And when you do this they are a huge fire/ explosion hazard. And when recharging even when they are used properly they should be charged in fire proof bags. They are very volatile. I use these for drones and I won’t even keep them in my house. They are a huge fire risk.
Hi there, thanks for the insight, at 0 volts do they pose a hazard, or only when trying to recharge from 0 volts? I can see a challenge there.
@@RegsChannelit is a hazard when around or below 3 volts the cell with puff up and it will cause damage and be unstable which can be very dangerous to charge back up
lol. So many reasons this isn’t the safest idea. Make sure not to get the voltage too low, don’t let it get wet and don’t let the cells get pierced or bent. Lipo batteries like that don’t have a battery management system like the Milwaukee or power banks. Also make sure to use a balance charger.
@@4acae86 Hi there, thanks for the feedback! I just picked up a low voltage alarm, and I have a hard shell pack on the way. My charger says it's a balance charger but I'm looking into one that can actually discharge to storage voltage. I'll be putting out an updated video once everything gets here.
@@RegsChannel awesome. You should be pretty good with the low voltage alarm and a hard pack. Lipo batteries are like a knife, a great useful tool that needs to be respected so that pot doesn’t bite you. Another good option is a LiFePo4 battery as they are a lot safer and have an onboard bms. Not sure if they make compact ones though. The big advantage with a lipo and the reason they are used in RC is their high discharge rate, but with that there is a little bit of risk side it’s just a raw battery.
Do not to this, huge safety risk. Your normal tool batteries have something called a BMS ( Battery Management System), its something that protects for shorts, and deep,discharge ( more stuff aswell) If a lithium battery is to deep discharged it alters the chemistry of the cell and form micro shorts. This is a huge safety risk cause those shorts will severely increase the risk for fire when using and especially when charging. Those batteries will explode and burn with over a 1000 degrees Celsius. Never ever use a lithium battery without a BMS and an active charging balancer. Also pouch cells are not really suited for that application because they are very sensitive to bending and getting punctured which you guessed increases the risk of fire, so use them with a shell.
Hi there, I now have a low voltage alarm, and have a hard shell battery along with a more robust charger on the way. Thanks!
Time to borrow one of the kids airsoft batteries…
@@maxball6388 worth a try lol! I would look at the low voltage alarm to be safe as well!
need a bms or it will be over discharge those battery has no protection...need a better charger those can be charge over 10 amps
Hi there! Thanks for the comment. True, I plan to speak to this in my next video. My charger charges at 0.8c or 800mAh. The battery is cold to the touch while charging so I think I'm ok there!
Milwaukee jackets only do 9 watts of heating power, it's a total sham.
Go to the motorcycle store or online and get a hotwire jacket, it's made for motorcycles. It provides 80 watts of heating power, you can run them off drill batteries, you're welcome 😉
@@foam27 would love to see one of these in action! Thanks for the heads up!
I suggest NiMh
@@noooooho thanks for taking time to comment. Cheers!
This is way overkill.
You need a usb c trigger to dc adapter.
Use a usb c battery pack (way safer as mentioned many times here than LiPo) and then boom - I have 8+ hours of run time with an Anker 20k mAh battery pack.
The pros are i can even plug in the coat directly to my cellphone charger in the car, or my bigger batteries at home.
My Anker 20k (with built in USB C) lasts me 8+ hours.
Pros are i can natively charge my phone too.
AND its way WAY safer than LiPo.
Please be safe when dealing with LiPo.
A usb C to DC trigger can be found for ~$20, my anker 20k battery bank (which is native USB C i think was ~$45) and i dont have to attach a bunch of useless adapters to it AND most important - its WAY more safe.
@@jaredpnk thanks for the perspective, I have the Anker 26800 pack and it's massive. I can't emphasize the size and weight savings if using one of these. Yep there are safety concerns one needs to take into account no doubt about it, but the USB C packs are big boys.
@@RegsChannel that's why I said the 20k pack. It's similar size and safer by FAR, and the benefits of USB vs some other DC connector far outweigh any benefits you may get from this method. Sure it works, but there's better out there. My Anker 10k power bank is even smaller than your pack here, and it still is safer.
Obviously whatever works for you that's fine I'm glad you found a solution. But this isn't the best option or safest.
@@RegsChannel I guess I'm just asking for you to make fair comparisons. Sure the Anker 26800 pack is huge. I have two of them. I fully agree with you there
The 20k with built in usb c is lighter than that one. The Anker 10k with USB c built in is even smaller yet and I still get 5-6 hours on high if not more.
LiPo is fine if you know how to use it safely, but the majority of people don't. By the time you add in the needed protection, the adapters etc a USB C power bank is cheaper, smaller(potentially) and FAR safer.
@jaredpnk thanks for your opinion, Take care!
AND with both packs I can have them topped off in the car, with any charger that goes into a 12v socket in your car, another power bank, etc. it'll charge a LOT faster than what you have here too.
Obviously options are good, but either way, glad you found something that works.
Here's an idea… Get yourself another mini three amp battery and get six hours! Wow
@@Magicinstalls hi there, thanks for the comment, my primary reason for going with the LiPo was the smaller form factor. As I stated in the video I am primarily sitting down and it's nice to not have that bulbous pack poking me in the back. Cheers!
@@RegsChannel Yeah I get it. I will probably do the same
@Magicinstalls good stuff, make sure you do your homework on all the necessary safety precautions to follow if you choose to do this, but so far I can't complain with the results!
This is so dangerous 😢
@@bakeralex201 consider the application and use case however. The jacket discharges between 0.6 & 0.8 amps... Battery stays protected in the back pocket area (I've also added a low voltage alarm) and I recharge the battery at 0.8 amps... Aside from a hard case I think I've mitigated the risks fairly well? I do have some follow up videos coming that will delve deeper into the safety sod EOD things as well. Thanks for the comment. Cheers!
RC guy, here - nice find, but those Zeee batteries are among the lowest-quality available and, in spite of their price, are actually a rip-off. Cheers -
Thanks for the comment! Remember I'm discharging these at less than one amp, and also charging them at the same rate. (Along with taking the proper safety precautions) So far so good for this application. Cheers!
@@RegsChannel good point - you might actually get most of the rated capacity at that rate.
Here's a tip - if you only charge to 4.1 volts per cell (instead of 4.2), the thing last twice as long.
@mlentsch thanks for the advice! The rest of the gear should be here in the next few days and I'll get an updated video out! The new charger should allow me to set max charge voltage. Cheers!
Do not do this thank you for pointing out the safety concerns
@@harrywiedmann4353 I think with the right precautions it can be done safely. Thanks for taking the time to comment!
Don't do this. I've personally watched those batteries light up. This guy has not done enough research. Use a flat ororo battery ment for jackets
@@Kalvin-l2x Thanks for taking time to comment. Can you share under what conditions they "light up" that you observed? I've released an updated video that goes more in depth as well. Thanks!