A Song of Ice and Fire: Demons
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- In ancient Greece, demon's were thought of in two ways. The word demon could be used to refer to an inner attendant or an inspiring force, the famous philosopher Socrates said that he lived his life in accordance with the internal dictates of his own quote “demon”.
In Socrates’ view demons were more akin to what we would refer to as the soul. The other view of demons in ancient times was that they were beings somewhere in between humans and gods. These Demons were not necessarily considered to be malevolent in the ancient greek view. Demons were thought to be benign, similar in nature to the gods and humans, so wildly varied. They were nature spirits, forces of nature, spirit guides. The rising prominence of Christianity would change the way demons were thought of considerably.
Cover Art: Jon Snow with Azor Ahai Sword by Guillem H. Pongiluppi
Music:
Tongue of Azathoth by Lucifer Means Lightbringer / @davidlightbringer
The Long Note by Kevin Macleod
Dark Memory by Silent Partner
Hyperion Playlist: • Hyperion
Dune Playlist: • Dune Lore Explained
Foundation Playlist: • Isaac Asimov
Thanks for watching!
Please consider supporting this channel on Patreon: / ideasoficeandfire
I NOW HAVE A SUBREDDIT: / ideasoficeandfire
Twitter: / ideasofice_fire
Like me on Facebook!: / ioiaf
Feel free to leave a comment like and subscribe!
Thanks For Watching!
Season 8 was definitely something conjured from the seven Hells.
Is that what lanius the butcher of the legion believes? Or is it his hound that speaks now in the name of Ceasar?
Only the fire of R'hllor can purify that abomination.
Ave, true to Caesar!
U made my day!
Preach!
Yeah D&D really dropped the ball on Arya... I dont think "badass ninja" is what GRRM is going for, I think it's more like an extremely troubled child who's been put through hell getting led down a darker and darker path who might be a psychopath.
My personal idea of her character arc is it's about her personal identity, and her only way out of her path is to come to terms on what that means.
I think she is only retaining her identity until she can claim the names she’s purchased with it; her identity will be payment in the end.
she didnt train to use swords, kill people and become faceless in the book?
@@lotsapoppa994 d&d celebrate it as badass girl power while GRRM doesnt
@@manofhonor1685 i must be getting old but what the hell is badass girl power lol?
There's something wholesome about this channel. Love this guy's passion. Keep it up!
I really love his passion too and it shows it's nice to see people actually doing what they like
I love this channel so much. He's a beautiful soul man. He just enjoys fiction so much.
Funny that, as he deals head on with all the creepy dark stuff in the books!
But yes, there is - it's him, Quinn.
Try " the Death of Winter" another vid of his.
(thunderous applause)
Sir, you h ave been sorely missed.
I like that you went back to putting pictures in your video!
Me too. Nice subtle touch that makes a big difference
Don’t forget the alleged demons in Hardhome. Also in the subtitles during the episode where Mirri Maz Dur resurrects Drogo it says: Demon Shrieking
Damn, I never thought like that of the subtitles before.
Really? Very interesting!
Okay so I know this has nothing to do with this video but I just started reading Dune for the first time and I think it might be my favorite book. It is so good. Thank you for recommending it to me. 🙏
You'll be primed for the movie coming next year 😁👍
You are up to a long but very intaking story. Enjoy it :)
Just wait till you read it for about the third time. This is not a joke, and it likely won't happen soon. But after your 3rd, 4th+ readthrough, over the course of years of life and lessons, each chapter will unfold into an entirely new book. If you enjoy it, you'll enjoy it more as you read it again every other year or so, through your life.
See? Demons are real!
sorry wrong thread.
You are the fan that every novelist dreams to have!
The Children and the Others always reminded me of the Seelie and Unseelie courts of Faery.
They're very fairy like. Especially The Children.
Have you read the Meredith Gentry series?
You’re the only man I’ve seen under 50 that make that hat look good
You the first ASOIAFtuber I got into & I love to see the smashing return! Keep killing it Quinn
Almost first.... Demons = those guys at the GOT panel (i dont remember where) that did not allow you to speak the truth about season 8
After reading GRRM’s work I get extra attentive when I read or hear the word Others. May the Others take this habit.
Hope you´re doing well, Quinn. Fantastic work as always!
Hey man, I love your channel. I haven’t read GoT or Dune or anything that you cover, but it’s rad to hear a very knowledgeable person talk about their interests in great detail and with passion. Keep it up man, you rock.
Also, what do you think when people say "demons" live in Mantharis? Do you think they are just people that are so wicked that the rest of the world considers them as demons? And what about the demons that live along the river Ash and Stygai? Are those wicked people too, a force of nature like the others and the children, some kind of unknown monster or creature, or maybe something else?
It almost bothers me that you make that hat actually work
Mark Samenfink he doesn't. Stop
@Canadian Villain ...no, because so many people don't make that hat work. It makes them look stupid. I said it "almost" bothers me.
As long as he doesn't tip to random girls and call them lady
So glad you're back, Quinn! Loved this video. As always you offer such incredible views on the psyches of these characters. Arya seems like one of the most fascinating characters in the books. The show simplified her down so much, as it did with all the characters. Your passion is one of the reasons I want to continue with the books. Thanks for being such a terrific channel.
I've been a big fan for a while and not much a youtube comment type but I just gotta say that you're killing it, and thank you for the amazing content! also you have a beautiful voice! Thank you, keep it up!!!
Incredible pieces of art! Great work, as always.
Loved the pictures. Having a different depiction of these wonderful characters that is different from the actors in the series helps bring the books alive again after the trauma that was season eight. Thank you for this.
Wow! New subscriber. Brilliant video, brilliant channel, brilliant creator. Thanks!
"Hey there demons, it's me, ya boi"
Not everyone can narrate. You can narrate. Wow. Your voice and the tone you use. You got training on that? On top of your approach to videos, editing, and ideas. Wow!
I truly look forward to your every upload. Always so well done. Keep it up man !
Really interesting Video! I really like these deep analyses of the text. I honestly think your Videos get better and better in terms of quality even though they already started out as strong!
Excellent stuff Quinn. Thanks for making these.
This was a very good video. Specially i liked your observation that not a single character had it perfect. Just like real life. Everyone is beaten by Life in the Story as well. Even Petyr Baelish who is playing so well the Game of Thrones had it served a bad deal in his Beginning... End is still unknown... But the guy is having the most fun as of now. But, the humiliation he must have experienced... The Breaking of his World View , Trust, at a tender age...
Didn’t it end with season 8? :/ they didn’t cover him in it?
Would love to see you do a video on Stannis. The rightful heir, the one true king of the seven kingdoms.
Seconded.
The video quality was amazing, edition, timing, climax. great job dude
Great work Quin! I always tought Bran to be some kind of demon when entering Hodor’s mind and let him crawl back in a corner of his own mind..
Glenn Geerlings totally I’m surprised he wasn’t brought up... in Varmyr’s chapter which is skin changer 101 to me they essentially paint a picture of an “abomination” which bran is 2/3 so far so he’s certainly on his way
This is awesome, truly. Was dubious at the title but it worked very well.
Maybe the only channel that I consistently watch when they upload. I mean, when they upload A Song of Ice and Fire videos.
You are the only person who looks awesome with that fedora
Jacobs Ladder has the best quote about demons. I recommend everyone to watch the movie just for that alone.
You are a masterful storyteller!
Great video, particularly loved your use of background music.
You have such a good voice for the dark narration. I would love to hear you do a reading/analysis of lovecraft or king
Loved it,so good missed you brada in regards of ice and fire .Dune content off tha hook.
Since season 8 I have stayed away from all ASOIAF content just saw this and enjoyed it as I know u are looking further into the story then the idiots D&D
Just saying ty for your awesomeness dude this popped up and i was like yessss recomend me these
Been subscribed for some time, but I never told you, you have one of the best voices.
Sir your playlists are very interesting.
I am surprised how I could have missed your videos all these times. Today I found it when I searched Dune.
Keep up the good work.
I really love the music playing in the background
Quinn, stellar work, like always!! ❤️ I LOVE your videos!
Man I really enjoy your content, been following since I had watched your videos on dune one of my favoriate videos. As a fan of your channel, could you perhaps as well consider exploring into different cultural monsters or legends? Considering how well written and voice acted, I would love to hear you talk about the wendigo or the fae, or hopefully maybe something I've never heard of before. In any regard, thank you for your content, its brought me and my friends much entertainment.
Superb editing on this one. Would love to see you go more in depth on characters' inner demons in a podcast or something. For something as integral to the way GRRM tells the story, I feel like people generally don't put enough emphasis on just how pervasive inner demons are throughout the books.
Thanks for making more videos! Not to be weird, but your voice is very calming.
Hey Quinn, wanted to clarify demons in Christian Theology (specifically East Catholic/Orthodox). In these theologies, a demon is just a form without matter (or just a soul) that uses thought (logissmoi) to assail the faithful with negative thoughts, emotions, etc... Check out the Ikon "The Ladder of Divine Ascent". It sort of captures all these aspects you mentioned.
I asked what opinion did you have about demons in one of your live streams over a year ago, bur sadly I think you didn't read my comment. But now I'm glad to finally know what you think about them! Thanks for the video.
Love your channel! Can’t wait for chapter house dune
Outwardly, getting his face shoved into a brazier is explanation enough for The Hound's fear of fire. Just so, I've always wondered if The Hound heard a voice in the flames (like Varys) and inwardly, that's what truly haunts him. His "demon", if you would. There's a quote from The Hound, I can't recall it specifically, where he tells someone that they don't know how hot hell really is. That aroused my suspicions about something more having happened during Gregor's attack. I was hoping the show would've addressed this after The Hound accurately interpreted a fire vision, like maybe a multifaceted scene where we see The Hound reading the flames from Thoros and Beric's perspective where they hear the flames crackling, then from The Hound's perspective where the hissing flames is actually a voice speaking to him, to be followed later w/a confession to Thoros about hearing the flames speak as a child, but no😪.
You could say that fear of fire puts him on the side of ice and makes him susceptible to manipulation by the Night King (if he was the source of the vision of the arrowhead mountain)
Great job as usual, Quinn.
It been a while since I watched a video this good! Keep going
Great video and amazing art.
Thank you for another breathtaking video!
All characters have their demons...
Except Hodor.
He carries his on his back.
Bran is technically his demon. Taking possession of Hodors body.
His demon is that for most of his life, he knows how he will die, retreating to being a simpleton to handle it.
dude! your setup is ballar!
Looking sharp Quinn. Awesome job!
I love and hate videos like this. I love them because they really make you think about what is happening in the story and hate them because they remind me how the show completely ignored this aspect of the books.
The show is just a fanfic I dont concern myself with it
These vids are getting better
Quinn: "Demon... What images are conjured in your mind when you. hear that word?"
Me: *Flashbacks of Demons in Doom 2016, Daemons in Warhammer, and Event Horizon* "... Uhhh, horrible ones?"
That demon in the corner of my room when I get sleep paralysis lol
Thank you for mentioning Cersei's demons - one theme I see is the damaged people who are or were motherless children - especially motherless girls.
(I see Arya, Sansa, Cersei and even Shireen as motherless girls.)
I love your a song of ice and fire videos please make more,where can we chat?
First thought of the word demon, The Demons from DOOM
Second thought, Dante
Third throught, Warhammer 40K
Forth thought, Hazbin Hotel
Hydrogen One first thought, season 8
@@yaboyed5779 40K Demons should be number 1 because the view of demons are very powerful.
Heh, me too. I picture a Pinky hearing "demon". :)
Jot Sengson 🤣🤣🤣👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@@yaboyed5779 😂😂😂
Love your work. Looking for more content 👏🏾👍🏿
Great work sir, as always!
I was expecting D&D to be popping up in the comments.
D&D: "We forgot"
Because of a new bit of information from a while ago, demon now means neutral or evil and not exclusively evil.
You have such a great voice.
Excellent video I wish there was a love button
You my friend, have power.
Ahh finally I see the face of the man who has been providing me with entertainment all day today! Who knew he was a member of the dark ones :) I’m just playin man but thought I’d make this joke to you, as there is some truth in it! Be well, new sub!
High quality as always !
Very awesome video.
Man why are your videos too damn cool😂😂
7 heavens also exist in Islamic mythology. There’s that story of Mohammed visiting the 7 heavens from the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem.
a book i really really want to read that doesn't exist is one with all the muslim stories but not in weird oldy worldy english nor for children and not the actual koran, because i'm too lazy, so i can understand all the stories like about spiders and the seven sleepers and stuff
Josephine Winter The closest you might get is an updated translation of the 1001 Arabian nights. It’s unfortunate because there’s a lot in Islamic mythology stories about the prophet, Most of them are in hadith [stories about the prophet and his companions]. In countries like India, Pakistan, Morocco, Iran, Turkey, etc. there are countless folklore stories of local Sufi Saints like Al Khadiir ( The Green Man). Fortunately all of it is still largely untranslated.
I suspect the seven heavens correspond to the seven planets of the ancients.
Excellent! Many thanks!
One of the funniest passages I ever read was about demons, in a book by Roger Zelazny, Lord of Light,, I believe.. It went something like:
They were not demons in the classical sense, which is to say, supernatural creatures of enormous power and malefic intent. They weren't supernatural.
YES YES YES UPLOADSSSSZZZZ
Arya's best hope of redemption is to kill the remains of her mother, so yeah, that's dark!
Good video dude thanks
“all it takes is one bad day“
Joker
Why Euron and his blood sacrifices wasn't mentioned? He's the most demonic and corrupt character in asoiaf imo.
Good point
Maybe he doesnt want to get into sample chapters (the forsaken) cause of spoilers. I also immediately thought of Euron though.
This--¬^ video:: nigh perfection!!!
As always, you provide TRULY EXCELLENT content on, and pertinent to ASOIF; I especially love that you provide the complete etymology and cultural contexts for the term "demon"...
[[ I wish we(( contemporary civilization ))could somehow truly revive the archaic interpretation/usage of the term...or at least honestly reintroduce and reincorporate the premise, whilst substituting "demon" with... _?? _*_pnévma_*_ (( πνεύμα ))??...??or _*_plásma_*_ ((πλάσμα))??_
Great video!
Love your videos. You made me want to read the books despite my severe disappointment in the show.
Great video! I am always excited to see a new ASOIAF video from you 👍
Another great video!
Just a point about the Lhazareen and Dothraki and how they might view sleeping with demons. When the witches originally danced and slept with demons they were originally based on nature spirits (specifically of the gods Pan/Dionysus/Bacchus) and this is where the classic form of Satan comes from and this changed a witch from a woman closely related to nature and therefore frightening in their power but linked to nature, under Christianity this changed to someone who appealed to a 'false god' and therefore someone to be persecuted. Christian theology also disagrees with the use of sex to gain power. Often traditional witches would work in traditional medicine and midwifery (like Mirri Maz Dur) and this could mean the Dothraki fear Mirri's demons not as an evil force as such but as a strong natural one, that can allow an old sheep woman to be on a par with or even more powerful than them
Equally, like the Others and ice, the demons of Valyria may be nature demons of fire. Not malevolent but neutral and still incompatible with life
The humans of ASOIAF may also contain within them demons that are primal natural spirits. The characters either control these demons or let the demons control them. It could be that magic is linked to demons and that the more powerful someone is magically the more demons they invite into them (like traditional witches but in a less sexual, more metaphorical way). This might explain why Bran has to be continually reminded to not spend so much time in Summer, there is a difference between his basic wants: feeling safe, feeling fed (which he can achieve through Summer) and his actual needs: to keep his physical body safe and fed. The more powerful Bran becomes the less he seems to care and the less himself he becomes. This can be seen to a lesser extent in Arya as well. Trading humanity for power
you know, that is certainly something that has left me puzzled about the game of thrones world, (note: i am NOT intending this to be a real world religious debate) but the supernatural aspect about it has very mixed messages, on one hand, when both jon and dundarion come back from the dead, they state they saw nothing, indicating there is no afterlife (which is a smart move on the end of G.R.R.M because a confirmed afterlife would literally take away from EVERY death and render it meaningless, who cares if the starks die if we suddenly learn there is an afterlife? what worry is their of failure if the worst case to happen is that they just die and live on in an afterlife with their friends and family? it keeps the suspense by implanting the idea that maybe when you die there is nothing, however, they truly confirm the existence of magic and the gods, that there IS a higher power at work BUT they sorta confirm that there might be more than just 1, sure the power of the lord of light is undeniable, but the old gods seem to have a presence as well (unless they are all just the same god being misinterpreted as different ones, though given that the lord of light works with fire primarily, and the children used the old gods magic to create ice zombies, it seems clear thats not the case) they also kinda prove the existence of demons when the witch brings drogo back from the dead with her blood magic, so where do these beings exist if there is no afterlife? why would there be another dimension/existence for evil demons but not for humans? if a persons consciousness dies upon death, how is it brought back? (now true, the body being brought back could just restart the consciousness that was already within) but how are there such things as reincarnations? jon was thought to be the reincarnation of an ancient hero, so was stannis, and if any part of that is true, that would imply that the soul of that person would have to be brought back and placed into a new body (thats kinda what reincarnation is) but if the soul is stuck to the body and dies with body how can it be brought back? (maybe a god could defy this? i don't know) could it be possible that perhaps there is some kind of afterlife, and maybe the powers that be just remove the knowledge of it when the person is restored to life? that seems like it would make things easier without tampering with free will....i mean, if i knew there was an afterlife, for sure, i'd be WAAAAAAAY more of a reckless person to an obnoxious level.....couldn't threaten me with SHEIT
There is anybody who can say what is the title of music in 6:04? (sorry for my bad english)
It just depends on where you live and what you learned from growing up. In some places they're sand spirit's, whilst other's see them as 8-9 feet tall and have bat wings.
Fantastic
Love the video
That hat really suits you!
Awesome
I am subscribed to you and I recieved NO NOTIFICATION of this upload. 😔
Great video very informative
I look forward to the day when we’ll get long form videos discussing the intricacies of The Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring. By then, we’ll all be elderly and unable to remember our own names. In other words, George Martin seems determined not to finish.
Their is a nice song that i here form icefire and i like it