This is a great example of a chain disaster. So, so many things had to go wrong. The loads not being written down, then being underestimated. The locos having bad dynamics. The decision to design the dynamics to shut down during an e-brake situation (which has since been reversed). Completely understandable miscommunications between the lead and helper ends on multiple critical subjects. That particular train being sent down that one stretch of dangerous rails. It took such an absolutely perfect storm to make this disaster possible.
Yes and kinda no, they said it was too heavy even if all those engines were working perfectly. Maybe it would go slower, but still accident was waiting for them.
Definitely feel like the guy who put the wrong weight on the paperwork should have been held responsible for his part in this tragedy. Everyone living in the effected area should have been compensated by the Railroad company and the gas company so that they could move to a safer area.
Both should be held accountable. SP for guessing and letting the train leave the yard and the company the goods were from for not putting what was needed that caused the guessing.
They never even talked about the part that I found most strange. We had an emergency and could not close the three emergency valves. 4 days later we reopen the line without having repaired them. 1 weeks later we need to close those valves and we can't. I'm sorry but that is the most ridiculous thing I see. Yes the train did the damage. But why weren't those valves working?
Southern Pacific was bought out by Union Pacific in 1996, 7 years after the disaster. Union Pacific still runs trains over that section of line today, however a few houses have been put up.
These were obviously low income people living in these houses. Not a single monument or marker to identify the tragedy of these people. I can only hope they were adequately compensated by both the train company and the oil/gas company.
It's much more than that, the locomotives themselves are built with the brakes, but unfortunately many of the locomotives that needed maintenance got put onto the same train. It also is difficult to go into Southern Pacific's maintenance history and it's hard times. It's never as simple as everyone thinks it is, there's many other factors that play into railroad operations.
FYI, the “reported” weight for this train was 6,151 tons. The ACTUAL weight was 8,900 tons. Even had all the engines been working 100%, it still wouldn’t have been enough to hold back that much weight.
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Titanic.... Living is dangerous cause the only alternative is to die. Just a matter of when. Air travel is still technically safer but shows like this exist to show the worst incidents. Mainly In these mediums cause that catches eyes. Lethal car crashes just leave people annoyed by traffic cause the frequency is enough it surpassed fear into normalcy. If we had a mayday episode for every lethal and major nonlethal car crash from the last few decades they'd have to be created faster than you could watch em.
Sorry, Calnev couldn’t shut its emergency valves so almost two million liters of fuel is burned? While I don’t know, I feel like two million liters takes up enough space of pipeline that there should of been another emergency shutoff valve in there somewhere for redundancy. You know, in case one fails. (FYI I don’t work in this industry so if anyone can help me understand how they couldn’t use their “in case of an emergency” valves in an emergency, I would appreciate it.)
That was what bugged me too. The train accident was a set of abnormal events creating a perfect failure... But the fact that at the time of the accident, the shutoffs failed and were not immediately repaired is honestly confusing. Especially since they had the pipeline off for a week because the risk of a failure was there.
No room for error before the lazy guy makes up numbers & the construction workers nick the pipe Oops no need to tell - not a problem this week since the last accident was 2 week ago...
Allow deemed sufficient machinery to run even with some reduced systems because they were built with many redundancies? Ok, but make it this easy and things get pushed back so far we get here. The easier it is to greenlight machinery with any damage, the easier it is to let it continue further. This is a very spur of the moment thought so prolly not the wisest but if only it was required that once transports are anything below fully functional even with backups make required details public and abundantly visible/ Instantly obliges random inspections at regulators call. Annoying? Probably. Steer the public from some craft? Yea hopefully that persuaded change. As said before it's a spur idea I felt like writing. Could backfire and lead to more hiding but could work. Kinda curious now.
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout If you can't see how hauling a heavy load with defective brakes is a bad idea, there's not much point in discussing anything further with you.
Yeah riiiiight, have a pipeline passing thru the middle of a residential neighborhood. What could possibly go wrong ? Even worse, don't tell the homeowners and homebuyers.
@@6th_Army yeah so ? I knew that. They would certainly not build the pipeline under the house or under the street while there are houses around. They still didn't tell the homeowners when the house got built or purchased.
@@power2084 The not telling people part was most certainly wrong. It's just that the way you worded your comment made it look like you thought the house weren't there before the pipeline.
@@6th_Army "have a pipeline passing thru the middle of a residential neighborhood" is what I said. I don't see that as suggesting the pipeline was added after the houses, merely it says it passes thru.
... I seem to recall watching a TV show with a similar accident but haven't been able to find it w/ a quick search... (from recollection) where a company's previous shipment had been *catastrophically* under-loaded by weight, because they'd partially loaded each car by volume -- extrapolating from an initial weighed train car with material from a settled (densified) stockpile; and progressively underestimated the weight of subsequent train cars as the material progressively got looser/less dense. Consequently 'the company' had to immediately send a much larger shipment that they compacted and weighed while loading so that each train car was at its maximum weight. Resulting in an inconsistently dense product. Again the weight wasn't declared *except* for cars that were filled below the maximum weight. tick-marks/manuscript instead of a complete number in the spaces for the max-weight cars. Then the paperwork was "completed" for those cars with additional space by someone outside the company who estimated (by volume) that these maximum-weight cars were actually some fraction of their lighter counterparts. (Again, I haven't been able to identify this other incident/accident. But if anybody knows and could leave a reply.)
From other Mayday fans, could you help me out? I'm trying to remember the story of the plane that was flying through a storm, landed on the runway, then flew off the runway, caught fire, and miraculously everyone lived. Also, one passenger on the plane was a total Karen who tried to grab her laptop during the evacuation and complained about the process afterwards. Anybody know which flight that was? It might not have been on a mayday episode specifically.
Why didn't they do better maintenance? So many accidents involving vehicles that can cause so much damage and loss of life. Some from ignorance, incompetence, or the desire to put more money in someone's pockets.
Well, that I can't answer, but this is the official Mayday channel that's for sure. The semantics of how Wonder uploaded the episodes fully first and then why Mayday does it with theirs anyway is beyond me... Probably something to do with the distribution rights and Wonder being some kind of app or something?
@@thirdiprodigy3579 Actually I'm a conductor on passenger trains, but I hope to drive them one day. It's great fun, I talk with people all day and give tours. It's a job well suited for me, and I enjoy almost every moment. I suppose you're going to say your occupation is objectively better?
@@thirdiprodigy3579 Mayday did a mini spin off series of 3 episodes unrelated to Air Disasters, but still under the Mayday title. Do you know how to research, kiddo?
Missed part 1? Watch it here: ua-cam.com/video/7LbBDL1pMdM/v-deo.html
I’m officially addicted to your channel 😆😁
i always found pipeline emergencies/failures to be one of the scariest things out there
NAW CAUSE SAME, IT'S FUCKING SCARY
I hope Air Crash Investigation can make more special Crash Scene Investigation episodes.
Considering the fact this comment was hearted means maybe someone there will get the message.
This is a great example of a chain disaster. So, so many things had to go wrong. The loads not being written down, then being underestimated. The locos having bad dynamics. The decision to design the dynamics to shut down during an e-brake situation (which has since been reversed). Completely understandable miscommunications between the lead and helper ends on multiple critical subjects. That particular train being sent down that one stretch of dangerous rails. It took such an absolutely perfect storm to make this disaster possible.
Yes and kinda no, they said it was too heavy even if all those engines were working perfectly. Maybe it would go slower, but still accident was waiting for them.
Assuming the maximum load sounds like a good idea from the start when you don't know.
When companies have poorly ...
.. paid and poorly trained employees they claim they are saving money but they are actually risking people’s lives.
and then losing even more money after lawsuits stemmed from accidents or incidents
Definitely feel like the guy who put the wrong weight on the paperwork should have been held responsible for his part in this tragedy. Everyone living in the effected area should have been compensated by the Railroad company and the gas company so that they could move to a safer area.
Disagree.
He didn't knew the weight. Somebody else didn't do their job (write the weight on the paper). He should never had to make a guesstimate.
Both should be held accountable. SP for guessing and letting the train leave the yard and the company the goods were from for not putting what was needed that caused the guessing.
This is a rather strange looking air disaster
ahh, finally the part 2 of this video, was waiting for it!!
Thank you for uploading.....
They never even talked about the part that I found most strange. We had an emergency and could not close the three emergency valves. 4 days later we reopen the line without having repaired them. 1 weeks later we need to close those valves and we can't. I'm sorry but that is the most ridiculous thing I see. Yes the train did the damage. But why weren't those valves working?
iKR, I WAS LIKE "FIX THEM-"
Great informative video
Southern Pacific was bought out by Union Pacific in 1996, 7 years after the disaster. Union Pacific still runs trains over that section of line today, however a few houses have been put up.
I live in San Bernardino. This is a tragic event I had no idea even happened here. 😢
Really, when did you live there?
These were obviously low income people living in these houses. Not a single monument or marker to identify the tragedy of these people. I can only hope they were adequately compensated by both the train company and the oil/gas company.
Probably not...they're brown, you know...
Yeah right…. And lilsuz you got it in one.
They don’t know how to sue or think it’s wrong.
Why would the rail company use engines that they know have no brakes? Seems like a serious problem to me.
It's much more than that, the locomotives themselves are built with the brakes, but unfortunately many of the locomotives that needed maintenance got put onto the same train. It also is difficult to go into Southern Pacific's maintenance history and it's hard times. It's never as simple as everyone thinks it is, there's many other factors that play into railroad operations.
Damn. Two lawsuits in 2 weeks.
Imagine the insurance rates from this
Can we get the hurricane hunters episode soon?
I don't remember witch engine it is, but 1 unit survive was rebuild and is running down here in Brazil, I think is a SD40 or a U30C
It was SD45R 7443 that got sold to Brazil
FYI, the “reported” weight for this train was 6,151 tons. The ACTUAL weight was 8,900 tons. Even had all the engines been working 100%, it still wouldn’t have been enough to hold back that much weight.
Awesome 2 parter
1:15 Wait a minute, she had her house rebuilt in two weeks?
she lived on the other side of the street husband didnt want to be track side
@@Nzeropheonix Thought her son was having a shower when the train struck and they found him alive in the rubble? Or was that another family?
@@hagbard72 different family.
@@hagbard72 Totally different family.
Still one of the worst north American freight railway disaster of modern time after the Lac-Megantic train fire in Quebec.
Wonder why the engener did not realise the extra weight going up the hill? Hmmm.
It was horrific. The legal wrangling in the aftermath, even worse!
7:33 Frank Holland: Alan Alan Reese: Yea Frank Holland: what are your dynamics like Alan Reese: They Revving [Deleted Scene]
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Also me: Just watched most recent Mayday: Air Disaster video. Now what?
Boats. Boats are going to be next 😂
Titanic....
Living is dangerous cause the only alternative is to die. Just a matter of when. Air travel is still technically safer but shows like this exist to show the worst incidents. Mainly In these mediums cause that catches eyes. Lethal car crashes just leave people annoyed by traffic cause the frequency is enough it surpassed fear into normalcy. If we had a mayday episode for every lethal and major nonlethal car crash from the last few decades they'd have to be created faster than you could watch em.
Drive? Even MORE dangerous! Bike? Well...if some idiot driver runs your ass over, it'll only be YOU that gets killed. STAY. HOME!
@@johnnybhoff226 Ah yes, people gonna boat from a landlocked country
Just remember every mode of transportation has accidents. It's how we handle them that results in life or death.
Sorry, Calnev couldn’t shut its emergency valves so almost two million liters of fuel is burned? While I don’t know, I feel like two million liters takes up enough space of pipeline that there should of been another emergency shutoff valve in there somewhere for redundancy. You know, in case one fails.
(FYI I don’t work in this industry so if anyone can help me understand how they couldn’t use their “in case of an emergency” valves in an emergency, I would appreciate it.)
That was what bugged me too. The train accident was a set of abnormal events creating a perfect failure... But the fact that at the time of the accident, the shutoffs failed and were not immediately repaired is honestly confusing. Especially since they had the pipeline off for a week because the risk of a failure was there.
Would anyone here ever take off on a trip in your vehicle knowing your brakes don't work? What a bunch of poorly maintained junk.
No room for error before the lazy guy makes up numbers & the construction workers nick the pipe Oops no need to tell - not a problem this week since the last accident was 2 week ago...
Allow deemed sufficient machinery to run even with some reduced systems because they were built with many redundancies? Ok, but make it this easy and things get pushed back so far we get here.
The easier it is to greenlight machinery with any damage, the easier it is to let it continue further.
This is a very spur of the moment thought so prolly not the wisest but if only it was required that once transports are anything below fully functional even with backups make required details public and abundantly visible/ Instantly obliges random inspections at regulators call. Annoying? Probably. Steer the public from some craft? Yea hopefully that persuaded change. As said before it's a spur idea I felt like writing. Could backfire and lead to more hiding but could work. Kinda curious now.
Yeah! I mean what could POSSIBLY go wrong? Right?
@EyewatchlessYTeach Timetheylockmeout If you can't see how hauling a heavy load with defective brakes is a bad idea, there's not much point in discussing anything further with you.
Thoes emergency shutoff valves turned out to be just for show didn't they?
Yep. Even 2 weeks after the first incident they still didn't work correctly.
I wonder if Mayday is gonna cover the Metrolink Chatsworth collision.
i think one of the other disaster channels did. seems like i watched something about it not long ago.
Plus, it should be a no brainer to not build houses near train tracks.
Yeah riiiiight, have a pipeline passing thru the middle of a residential neighborhood. What could possibly go wrong ?
Even worse, don't tell the homeowners and homebuyers.
Pipe was there before the house's.
@@6th_Army yeah so ? I knew that. They would certainly not build the pipeline under the house or under the street while there are houses around. They still didn't tell the homeowners when the house got built or purchased.
@@power2084 The not telling people part was most certainly wrong.
It's just that the way you worded your comment made it look like you thought the house weren't there before the pipeline.
@@6th_Army "have a pipeline passing thru the middle of a residential neighborhood" is what I said. I don't see that as suggesting the pipeline was added after the houses, merely it says it passes thru.
Just for a bonus we have three emergency shutoff valves that don't work.
... I seem to recall watching a TV show with a similar accident but haven't been able to find it w/ a quick search...
(from recollection) where a company's previous shipment had been *catastrophically* under-loaded by weight, because they'd partially loaded each car by volume -- extrapolating from an initial weighed train car with material from a settled (densified) stockpile; and progressively underestimated the weight of subsequent train cars as the material progressively got looser/less dense.
Consequently 'the company' had to immediately send a much larger shipment that they compacted and weighed while loading so that each train car was at its maximum weight. Resulting in an inconsistently dense product.
Again the weight wasn't declared *except* for cars that were filled below the maximum weight. tick-marks/manuscript instead of a complete number in the spaces for the max-weight cars. Then the paperwork was "completed" for those cars with additional space by someone outside the company who estimated (by volume) that these maximum-weight cars were actually some fraction of their lighter counterparts.
(Again, I haven't been able to identify this other incident/accident. But if anybody knows and could leave a reply.)
That sounds like the same accident, just told more specifically.
There was another show that covered this accident, called The Crash Files that Discovery made. The episode was titled, "Disaster on Duffy Street".
@@joelggundam That's up on UA-cam if it hasn't been struck yet
The fact that the thumbnail saids air crash disaster but it has train. Wut
Caught me off-guard, but it was a pleasant surprise.
Heyyy Who is the narrator Of this Video.... So Awesome I love his voice 😊😊😊🎊🥰
Tungsten carbide shoes?
Break pads for trains
Why is this an Air Disasters episode?
no monument for the people, animals, creatures and incident.....just a bad memory to crush the spirit.....until free..
From other Mayday fans, could you help me out? I'm trying to remember the story of the plane that was flying through a storm, landed on the runway, then flew off the runway, caught fire, and miraculously everyone lived. Also, one passenger on the plane was a total Karen who tried to grab her laptop during the evacuation and complained about the process afterwards. Anybody know which flight that was? It might not have been on a mayday episode specifically.
Just watched it last week, it's Air France Flight 358, the episode is called "Miracle Escape." Holy smokes, she was a real piece of work.
@@TheErasedGuy Thank you!
Luckily, everyone survived that disaster after a headcount in the airport.
The "Karen" was not a Karen, god dammit. I've already gone through that argument on that upload
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Ight I'ma save you some time typing by editing my comment.
Why didn't they do better maintenance? So many accidents involving vehicles that can cause so much damage and loss of life. Some from ignorance, incompetence, or the desire to put more money in someone's pockets.
train on mayday air disaster
Remember. When they went off the rails, they DID go airborne. So...that WOULD make it an AIR-train! This it WOULD be an air disaster.
@@NiceMuslimLady Booooo.
There's also a boat episode lol
He needs to do the other runaways
Definitely not Holland's fault, it was Thomas Blair's fault.
Hold up trains dont fly
Only for a very brief period of time.
They cover mostly air, but also transportation disasters.
Isn't this a channel about things that fly in the air? Air mayday??
They cover mostly air, but also transportation disasters.
This is different for this channel
They cover mostly air, but also transportation disasters.
Arnoldo zamudio castillo mi pls to do it again soon and then I can go to work tomorrow so
This must be the rerun channel. I have already seen this. Why upload things just a week after another channel that uploads these?
right? it's getting annoying.
Well, that I can't answer, but this is the official Mayday channel that's for sure. The semantics of how Wonder uploaded the episodes fully first and then why Mayday does it with theirs anyway is beyond me... Probably something to do with the distribution rights and Wonder being some kind of app or something?
Glad everything is okay
I hate these “Britishized” re-narrations and trying to constantly calculate and convert the metric crap back to English measurements.
If I wanted to watch trains I would go back to preschool
Then go back to preschool? What's wrong with trains?
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I bet you like trains
@@thirdiprodigy3579 I work on one, what about it?
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Cool you pull levers all day. What a life
@@thirdiprodigy3579 Actually I'm a conductor on passenger trains, but I hope to drive them one day. It's great fun, I talk with people all day and give tours. It's a job well suited for me, and I enjoy almost every moment.
I suppose you're going to say your occupation is objectively better?
Not interested
Then why'd ya click on it?
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 "MayDay Air Crash Investigation" Do you know how to read kiddo?
@@thirdiprodigy3579 Mayday did a mini spin off series of 3 episodes unrelated to Air Disasters, but still under the Mayday title. Do you know how to research, kiddo?
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 Okay and?? Haha Who are you
@@MilesL.auto-train4013 I really don't care for your opinion, go outside