Your analysis made me wise and conservative as an investor in stock market in the secondary market and kept myself miles away from primary market. Fraud in our share market is responsible for the situation where gullible people are investing their money but it is not creating expected number of jobs.
Tata can remain exempt from listing by selling 4%- 4.5% stake in TCS... By selling 1.5% in FY 2023 -24, they cash in 9230 Cr.. if the valuation of TCS will go up by minimum 10% in FY 2024, they might not sell entire 4% even.. Tata Sons share is about 71.75% as on today in TCS..
Tatas have been an exemplary group throw out their post independence history. Therefore, it’s imperative that they set an example and list. For the Govt and regulatory authorities too it will show them in poor light if they start making exemptions for any group. Uncertainty and whims in governance are uncalled for especially when India is looking at an upward trajectory. A firm resolve, clear and unbiased policy is the foundation on which better future rests. Further, it will be in the interest of the group to perpetuate itself because individuals at the helm howsoever capable and well intentioned they are yet prone to errors, a collective under public scrutiny on the other hand will certainly have lesser margin for error though it may not be as nimble, but then you don’t want to be nimble at the cost of being sagacious and wise when you are so big.
Mistry family is related to Noel Tata 😂😂 when Ratan kicks the bucket, Noel Tata and his 3 children will be running Tata group... Noel Tata is the brother in law of Mistry family 😂😂 his wife is the daughter/sister of Pallonji group. Better to have full knowledge than half knowledge. Ratan Tata's biggest mistake was to fight with Pallonji group.
@@kurshymaster3408: The Pallonji group do not have the kind of influence even within the Tata Group - as a Tata name does. And Noel Tata knows this full well; that he's a Tata first. And that is the reason why Noel Tata played a very significant role in the AGMs in favour of the Tatas during the Cyrus Mistry crisis - despite him being the brother-in-law. And anybody with a hint of grey cells in the Pallonji family would have realised it by now. 😅
@@RonBhattacharya , Noel Tata should've been in that seat , he got it now BUT the entire unholy debacle could've been avoided had Ratan Tata just trusted Noel Tata with it in 2012 instead of beating around the bush.
@@kurshymaster3408: Why are you soo dumb?! Firstly, Noel Tata isn't the Chairperson of "Tata & Sons". It's a different person there still. Secondly, in 2012 (12 years ago) Westside (which was the core thing Noel Tata handled) had just 28-30 stores - so nothing to talk about. 😅 - - - - - - - P.S. Sucheta Dalal is just insane to say Ratan Tata's performance was 'lacklustre' in 1991. The 'fact' is, that he turned around every failing company JRD Tata assigned to him. And also, during his time, RNT grew the group by 10x.
I think the main the question to be asked is will India gain if Tata Sons lists? Our gain as individual shareholders is not the issue at all. That RBI, Co. Law authorities, ICAI, et all slept when ILFS led them down the path is not the reason to force Tata Sons to list. ILFS was listed. It had innumerable SPV subsidiaries. But greed got the better of financial discipline and ethical management. Auditors failed at their watch. What purpose is served by asking Tata Sons to go public? Greater disclosure norms? The Govt. can all the information it wants without Tata Sons becoming public. It is the control over decision making, attitude and ethos of management in Tata Sons that probably is at stake. Issue is whether the next set of decision makers in Tata Sons [Pvt. Ltd.] continue the same set of values along with nation first as their policy? If they list how can continuity can be ensured? NBFC business should be moved out of Tata Sons. This will stop the debate.
U need to watch vdo again or read more on this....nbfc business is not the only reason 😇 Past history suggest,they nvr kept nation first attitude when things were competed with grp n nation They always kept group priorities first, even at the cost of minority shareholders of listed entities
There are good value MNC stocks out there but currently Indian stock market is a bubble. Too inflated in valuations bcos when FII exit then GOVT forces DII to invest as they don't want it to look like share market is falling during their governance !!
If they get listed then TCS employees who are robbed all the profits to support entire of tata group will be happiest lot. Hopefully they will get some share of TCS profits.
Tata group is well respected business conglomerate in india but why they didn't not want to list Tata sons & very surprising , shocking they were looking loopholes to avoid listing . Tata group is now behaving like ordinary business house not to get scrutiny from market about there wealth 😅😅
India Corporate/Inc is synonymous with Tata . Govt must be creative and accommodative to allow Tata sons /Trust it’s Independence . Indian economy foundation is actual production, employment of mass middle class and consumption. Other than Tata hardly any other corporate has that scale , depth and efficiency. Hence 1st priority to ensure strategic Independence of Tata Trust .
TATAS; have their own Generations/Family need to run the show; while Giving every 1.4 Billion indian oNE share worth Rs 10 only = 10.4 Billion rupees. Isnt it Fair for every indian be PROUD to Hold one SHARE and be part of us? With best Brand; Credit; Ethics Values; Principles; Morals; Professionalism? Give every indian one chance . and let 1.4 Billion indians pray; and CHANT Glory of TATA; VALUES; ETHICS ; PRINCIPLES. WE HOLD IN GREAT ESTEEM.
India trust Tata group...but this is about systemic risk.The management can keep the control of new Tata Sons ..but has to be subject to SEBI that protects the minority interest (of public investment). Controlling entities being beyond the SEBI laws...is a clear risk to the Indian economy!
About the business practices of Tata Groups, the less said the better. Since 1920s, Tata has been involved in activities that have exploited people, resources, government, customers, and shareholders in India. It seems that Tata consistently finds and uses every loophole in the law. The removal of Mistry, who was taking steps to improve the group, is a case in point. Although the NCLAT decision was reversed by the Supreme Court, it's noteworthy that Tata Group rarely loses cases in the higher courts of India. However, numerous Tata companies, including TCS, have faced and lost many fraud cases in courts outside India. Furthermore, the Tata Trusts, do not genuinely function as charitable organizations. This raises significant questions about the governance practices within Tata Sons and the broader Tata Group. The interlocking of shares and equity among Tata companies appears to be a complex web designed to obscure transparency. Unfortunatley govenements, RBI, and other institutions are supporting for ovious reeasons.
Real estate is expensive, stocks are highly priced ..why not consider the possibility that currency is losing its value consistently..keep sitting on the sidelines with your wishful thinking🙏
When things running smoothly some burocrates give false advised to politicians. Why Airlines were taken from tatas ? Now again handed over to Tatas . It is all due to senseless politicians . Country suffers.
The structure of TATA sons is a private holding company,which owns and controls most of the tata companies by virtue of their investment in these public companies.
Your analysis made me wise and conservative as an investor in stock market in the secondary market and kept myself miles away from primary market. Fraud in our share market is responsible for the situation where gullible people are investing their money but it is not creating expected number of jobs.
It's the right thing for RBI to enforce listing of TATA sons
TATA sons have given up RBI something! ?
Law is same for all. There should be no exemptions.
Superb analysis as always. Rare thing to find independent in-depth analysis of such complex matters these days
Appreciate your kind words.
No company should be forced by a government to go public.
It should be the decision of the majority shareholders of the company.
It is not required for all companies to go public but what companies which manage people’s money through deposits. It is a good step.
National Interest could not be on a shaky foundation
Law is same for all. No exemptions should be allowed. If it is allowed, it will be favoritism.
Sucheta, Always wait to hear U
Thank you!
hats off to you covering complex topic which retailers can never thought of or have limited knowledge. Thanks very much Madam
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Tata can remain exempt from listing by selling 4%- 4.5% stake in TCS... By selling 1.5% in FY 2023 -24, they cash in 9230 Cr.. if the valuation of TCS will go up by minimum 10% in FY 2024, they might not sell entire 4% even.. Tata Sons share is about 71.75% as on today in TCS..
They did a buyback of TCS shares recently 😂😂
Keep Tata as Tata. Don't disturb it. They are efficient
Don't b a bhakt
@@pratikjain1310 not bhakt. Andh bhakt 😂
Tatas have been an exemplary group throw out their post independence history. Therefore, it’s imperative that they set an example and list. For the Govt and regulatory authorities too it will show them in poor light if they start making exemptions for any group. Uncertainty and whims in governance are uncalled for especially when India is looking at an upward trajectory. A firm resolve, clear and unbiased policy is the foundation on which better future rests. Further, it will be in the interest of the group to perpetuate itself because individuals at the helm howsoever capable and well intentioned they are yet prone to errors, a collective under public scrutiny on the other hand will certainly have lesser margin for error though it may not be as nimble, but then you don’t want to be nimble at the cost of being sagacious and wise when you are so big.
I totally agree with Sucheta. Many smiles and much metta.
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Mam... You are a true genius.
I have one query regarding Zomato... Does Zomatos stock recent performance sustainable? Is it manipulated?
kya market me bubble form ho raha hai ? mam is topic par video laye . what should we investors dp right now
Excellent! Keep it going, you are a national asset! BFSI sector, needs an approval for the decisions, action they take.
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The moment Mistry family sells their shares or die with no legal heir, Tata will happily take it public once again
Mistry family is related to Noel Tata 😂😂 when Ratan kicks the bucket, Noel Tata and his 3 children will be running Tata group... Noel Tata is the brother in law of Mistry family 😂😂 his wife is the daughter/sister of Pallonji group.
Better to have full knowledge than half knowledge. Ratan Tata's biggest mistake was to fight with Pallonji group.
@@kurshymaster3408: The Pallonji group do not have the kind of influence even within the Tata Group - as a Tata name does. And Noel Tata knows this full well; that he's a Tata first. And that is the reason why Noel Tata played a very significant role in the AGMs in favour of the Tatas during the Cyrus Mistry crisis - despite him being the brother-in-law.
And anybody with a hint of grey cells in the Pallonji family would have realised it by now. 😅
@@RonBhattacharya , Noel Tata should've been in that seat , he got it now BUT the entire unholy debacle could've been avoided had Ratan Tata just trusted Noel Tata with it in 2012 instead of beating around the bush.
@@kurshymaster3408: Why are you soo dumb?!
Firstly, Noel Tata isn't the Chairperson of "Tata & Sons". It's a different person there still.
Secondly, in 2012 (12 years ago) Westside (which was the core thing Noel Tata handled) had just 28-30 stores - so nothing to talk about. 😅
- - - - - - -
P.S. Sucheta Dalal is just insane to say Ratan Tata's performance was 'lacklustre' in 1991. The 'fact' is, that he turned around every failing company JRD Tata assigned to him.
And also, during his time, RNT grew the group by 10x.
Are their similar precedents in the West?
company must go public to bring transparency in country
why dont you list your family assets in the public to bring transparency?
@@praneethjayasimha5943 i am talking about multi billion dollars company ....which are involved in financing other companies and taking huge debt
I think the main the question to be asked is will India gain if Tata Sons lists? Our gain as individual shareholders is not the issue at all. That RBI, Co. Law authorities, ICAI, et all slept when ILFS led them down the path is not the reason to force Tata Sons to list. ILFS was listed. It had innumerable SPV subsidiaries. But greed got the better of financial discipline and ethical management. Auditors failed at their watch. What purpose is served by asking Tata Sons to go public? Greater disclosure norms? The Govt. can all the information it wants without Tata Sons becoming public. It is the control over decision making, attitude and ethos of management in Tata Sons that probably is at stake. Issue is whether the next set of decision makers in Tata Sons [Pvt. Ltd.] continue the same set of values along with nation first as their policy? If they list how can continuity can be ensured? NBFC business should be moved out of Tata Sons. This will stop the debate.
U need to watch vdo again or read more on this....nbfc business is not the only reason 😇
Past history suggest,they nvr kept nation first attitude when things were competed with grp n nation
They always kept group priorities first, even at the cost of minority shareholders of listed entities
Hi Sucheta, fine as you say all are chor. Pls advise where to invest money to beat inflation
There are good value MNC stocks out there but currently Indian stock market is a bubble. Too inflated in valuations bcos when FII exit then GOVT forces DII to invest as they don't want it to look like share market is falling during their governance !!
Thanks for opening our eyes wrt this complex topic 🙏🙏👍
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Highly informative. Well expressed. Thumbs up
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If they get listed then TCS employees who are robbed all the profits to support entire of tata group will be happiest lot. Hopefully they will get some share of TCS profits.
I completely agree with you. Thanks for this valuable analysis
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Tata group is well respected business conglomerate in india but why they didn't not want to list Tata sons & very surprising , shocking they were looking loopholes to avoid listing . Tata group is now behaving like ordinary business house not to get scrutiny from market about there wealth 😅😅
Excellent analysis
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It’s pretty complicated and not that straight forward .. ILFS is case of mis Managament . Tata sons still cannot be graded as mismanagement
India Corporate/Inc is synonymous with Tata .
Govt must be creative and accommodative to allow Tata sons /Trust it’s Independence .
Indian economy foundation is actual production, employment of mass middle class and consumption.
Other than Tata hardly any other corporate has that scale , depth and efficiency.
Hence 1st priority to ensure strategic Independence of Tata Trust .
TATAS;
have their own Generations/Family
need to run the show;
while Giving every 1.4 Billion indian oNE share worth Rs 10 only = 10.4 Billion rupees.
Isnt it Fair for every indian be PROUD to Hold one SHARE and be part of us?
With best Brand;
Credit;
Ethics
Values;
Principles;
Morals;
Professionalism?
Give every indian one chance .
and let 1.4 Billion indians pray; and CHANT Glory of TATA; VALUES; ETHICS ; PRINCIPLES.
WE HOLD IN GREAT ESTEEM.
Vry vry informative
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Thank you ma'am
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Brilliant analysis and delivery. Eye opener
Corporate Governance & Compliance?
Why RBI & not SEBI? Not explained
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India trust Tata group...but this is about systemic risk.The management can keep the control of new Tata Sons ..but has to be subject to SEBI that protects the minority interest (of public investment).
Controlling entities being beyond the SEBI laws...is a clear risk to the Indian economy!
Thanks ma’am 🙏
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About the business practices of Tata Groups, the less said the better. Since 1920s, Tata has been involved in activities that have exploited people, resources, government, customers, and shareholders in India. It seems that Tata consistently finds and uses every loophole in the law. The removal of Mistry, who was taking steps to improve the group, is a case in point. Although the NCLAT decision was reversed by the Supreme Court, it's noteworthy that Tata Group rarely loses cases in the higher courts of India. However, numerous Tata companies, including TCS, have faced and lost many fraud cases in courts outside India. Furthermore, the Tata Trusts, do not genuinely function as charitable organizations. This raises significant questions about the governance practices within Tata Sons and the broader Tata Group. The interlocking of shares and equity among Tata companies appears to be a complex web designed to obscure transparency. Unfortunatley govenements, RBI, and other institutions are supporting for ovious reeasons.
Real estate is expensive, stocks are highly priced ..why not consider the possibility that currency is losing its value consistently..keep sitting on the sidelines with your wishful thinking🙏
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Tatas will devise a way to Bypass
When things running smoothly some burocrates give false advised to politicians. Why Airlines were taken from tatas ? Now again handed over to Tatas . It is all due to senseless politicians . Country suffers.
The structure of TATA sons is a private holding company,which owns and controls most of the tata companies by virtue of their investment in these public companies.
80% इंडियन not known english properly. Ur all videos in English, कृपया हिन्दी मे व्हिडिओ करे
60% of India does not speak Hindi. Kripya "Hindi nationalism" se baahar niklein.
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