Just a quick note to the implementation of the service height. 1:17 in the video. My son was playing one of Badmminton England U13 gold tournament earlier this year. There were few courts with umpires and one or two with service umpire (First time on junior circuit). Interesting thing was that the service umpires didn't have the service device. The umpires told the players (and parents) that because they are making calls without the device, they are applying old rules of lowest rib/bellybutton height. I know it's an old video but still relevant.
Short, sweet and great explanation. I was searching for this type of video. But every other videos are 7/10mins long with more confusion. Thank you for the video. I'm just trying to learn and teach my nephews how to service, rules and regulation of badminton
The service rules you describe are in the BWF statutes section 4.1 Laws of Badminton. These are for those events with the sighting devices and service judges. For most of badminton the service rules are set out in section 4.1.4 Alternative Laws of Badminton: "the whole shuttle shall be below the server’s waist" etc.
Hi Roger, thanks for the comment! Yes we did say we are unsure how the BWF will role it out to clubs. As there is so much subjectivity with what the waist is as well as tournaments using the fixed height rule we think it would make sense for clubs to adopt this too!
I think it is fair for BWF to implement below 1.15m for all as tall players have a higher waist level, so it is unfair to short players who have to serve at lower waist level...
Absolutely adore your videos. There’s something for every level, which I appreciate for myself as an experienced player, but also as a resource for my older beginner students. I coach a high school team, and many of them don’t play the sport outside of those four years. This channel is awesome!
Thank you very much for this video. It clears up some of my doubts. I have a few question though. 1) Can you move your feet while serving? Example, serving while walking? 2) Can the opponent be moving around before receiving the serve?
No problem, glad it is useful! Yes we did mention this in the video at 0.25 - both feet have to be in contact with the ground (for both the server and receiver) hope this helps 😀
I am here after watching Alexandra Bøje and Mette Poulsen match since I couldn’t understand what was wrong with their serves. Thank you for clarifying ❤❤❤❤
I've heard pros complaining about the 115cm service height rule - but only from the tall Danes so I assume it was due to the unfair rib-height advantage they used to enjoy. I find that even without a device for gauging the height most if not all of my amateur club serves are below 115cm as I am accustomed to it and know which point in my torso is 115cm.
I used to lose to this single guy in high school because he could drive his serve into me and I felt like I couldn't do anything, turns out what he was doing is a fault, he always had his racket by his head. It was nearly a stationary smash for a serve and I felt stupid for not being able to return it.
Still the most contentious part of badminton. And at a club/league level (and even some tournaments where there's no service judge), how do you even call this against someone. Know a guy in my league who's 6ft3 and serves at his chest, but won't accept when we call him out :@
Is is a difficult one for sure. You don’t want to address it in wrong manner and potentially cause argument! It maybe a good idea to ask to film his serve and then compare it to a fault serve of professional player of similar height?
@@BadmintonInsight Good idea and we had considered it. I took the petty route of pointing it out to everyone at a local tournament and now everyone in the area knows 😅
Actually would be nice if they can have some kind of automatic device to implement the new rule since it's a fixed height a machine should be able to do the job. It gets very frustrating in club play where people flick from their chest every single shot because they are afraid to serve low. People flick with no fault called is such a big pain when playing at club level.
@@BadmintonInsight Out of interest the 1.15m line is basically exactly the midpoint of a standard size net, so if the shuttle is more than halfway up the net when the opponent is serving it then it is likely a fault. Unfortunately realising your opponent is foul serving and convincing them they are/persuading them to stop are completely different things.
Please clarify this one in your next video👇🏾 While my opponent is serving and I’m standing at the neck of the line, ready to receive and kill the serve. The opponent showed the action of serve and not served actually that made me to jerk and the opponent called off saying I moved during the serve. Please clarify and provide the source for reference.
Funnily enough I’ve returned to Badminton after a 25 year lay off and someone picked me up for waggling my racket just before I served. Truly, I never realised I was doing it. It was just a nervous twitch that I must have been doing for a lifetime. Nice to see it clarified by the pros 👍🏻👍🏻
Beautifully and clearly explained. Great. Only question is, how come no referee calls for a foul on the peculiar serve done by Kevin Sanjaya? 1. His serve is 'drive based' 2. He swings left to right, when serving 3. Hits the feathers along with the cork So how would all the referees miss above points... We clearly see the frustration of Kevin's opponents most of the time.. Would love to have your insight please... With love from Sri Lanka..❤️
1. Yes 2. Yes, but his feet remain in contact with the floor 3. It is legal to hit the feathers as long as you hit the cork before hitting the feathers Hope this helps
My question is, I see a lot of players (including professional players) have the following trends: 1) the racket head if above or level with the wrist and 2) moving the shuttle and racket around (without forward movement) like a wand or cannon before service. Is that legal?
India's Doubles Shetty does it outright! Is it Legal.( Wasn't called at Commonwealth games 22) FROM; Biomechanics aspect, if plotting a Graph of distance vs Time function; this would not be A proper function!!( ie, Speed would be uncontinuous). Any comments appreciated.
Even though it might be impossible to truly implement service height into clubs with perspex line thingy; it's still so much better than the vagaries of lowest rib (when you can't even see anyones ribs) and the fact that the rib thing unfairly advantaged talller players rather than it being dependent uupon ability.
now it advantages the smaller players, becomes they have more possibilities to more around, while the taller player need to unintuitivly but the racket very low
Thanks Roger! When there are no line judges you need to rely on the good sportsmanship of the opponents to make the right call (in or out), and if you don't feel like they are being fair then you should ask for a let. If it happens more than once, then ask for the tournament referee to come and keep an eye on the game!
Can we do service with out any backward movement of the Racket? I used to do just forward action only to hit a serve... I like to see your new coaching tips in improving consistency in service so that opponent can't attack on serve.. I felt Its tough to master consistent serve. Love your videos
Thank you very much for your kind words! We prefer the slight backward motion as it makes the swing smoother and more consistent, it also makes it easier to generate power on the flick serve 😃
Excellent presentation, it was very informative. Have you done a forehand serve instruction. Has the 2018 rule change impacted on service delivery. The 1.15m rule is encouraging players doing the forehand serve with a rounded forearm or a hook serve. The contact is still below the 1.15m but not with the 45 degree racket angle. Can you please clarify this. Many thanks from Martin Wilson
talking about the device used by the service judge... if you compare the DISTANCE or SPACE between the 2 lines and the DISTANCE between the device and the server, I believe there is quite a big percentage of error in judging whether the shuttle is below 1.15m at the time of serve because of the short distance between the 2 black lines. If bwf can increase the space to about 25-30 cm between the 2 lines, they will be able to judge more accurately the height of the shuttle at the time of serve... A camera would also be good to have behind the device in case of challenges
Please make a video on rules regarding net block & net overlap in the follow through after doing a net block. Is it allowed to overlap the net if you miss the shuttle?
Whilst in tournaments I see so many people having a fault serve in doubles and even singles but when you mention it they just say that it isn’t and you can’t do anything and it really through you off your game
There's a few different strategies to coping with this which we will mention in a video at some point! The main thing is to have the ability to lower it and of course try not to let it impact your game :)
Thanks for the video, but I just asked my local league for clarification on which service rules apply and the league referred to someone who has been an umpire and service judge at the All-England. I was told that the 'Alternative' rules relating to lowest rib and pointing downwards apply if you aren't playing with a service judge and guides. To be fair to badminton insight, I can't see any reference to 'Alternative' rules that's earlier than May '22. Badminton England and/or the BWF *really* should publish an updated set of rules that is clear and easily found via search engines. [edited to take out an inaccuracy in my original post]
Firstly, many thanks for Badminton Insight - there's a brilliant mix of great advice and good editing/direction, all done in a friendly, down to earth and 'actually useful' way! Just to mention that I've pinged a message off to Chris Trenholme at the BWF in search of a definitive answer on which rules apply to the 99.9% of badminton that is neither elite level nor para. There's a variety of conflicting information and that's such a shame, because it is unnecessary - just tell us all which rules apply when, dammit! Our league rules refer to Badminton England, BE just link to the BWF - so I asked the BWF. I've had an initial reply, but as that only mentions BWF sanctioned tournaments and para badminton, I've asked for them to give a straight yes/no on which rules apply, and which do not, in the local leagues and club matches worldwide. They ought to know and they ought to be able to tell us.
@@BadmintonInsight [Sorry to keep banging on!] I'm typing this in July 2022, so well after Badminton Insight made this video and after the BWF published its 'Alternative' rules on serving in (I think) May 2022. As the old rules on serving had been removed, and the 1.15m rule had been introduced, I think any reasonable person would believe that the 1.15m rule applied everywhere. What else could you possibly think, when the new rule was introduced and the old ones were dropped? Ok, hard to know exactly where 1.15m is (although a cheap and cheerful ribbon across the net at that height might work...), but then it's also not obvious where anyone's lower rib is, exactly. So, after hearing that the 'lower rib' rule and 'angled downwards' rules were being put out as applicable via Badminton England coaching courses, I asked the BWF for a clarification. Incidentally, one reason I have for pursuing this is that I have a copy of the Rules of Badminton on my website (sportsganiser.net) and I want that copy to be accurate and up-to-date. Anyway, Christopher Trenhome (Head of Technical Events Management at the BWF) was kind enough to get back to me, and said: [quote] ... There is no steadfast, mandated set of Laws for recreational play. Players at the recreational level can choose to use the alternative Laws or not. However, the group of players should be in agreement as to which set of Laws for service they wish to use. For any particular organised competition (recreational, regional, etc.), players should consult the governing body with jurisdiction over the competition, for its specific rules and regulations. [end quote] So, it seems that you need the organisers of any non-elite tournament to tell you which rules apply, because "There is no steadfast, mandated set of laws for recreational play". In case there's any doubt: "Players at the recreational level can choose to use the alternative Laws or not" . Personally, I think Badminton England should take the lead and state, loud and clear, which service rules are the default for non-elite badminton. You know, the 99.9% of games that are played. It simply cannot continue to be undefined, variable, a matter of agreement (or, quite possibly, of disagreement!).
@@geoffkendall2006 thanks for this Geoff! Very interesting and we agree - it shouldn't be left to players to decide at all! You might get a really taller player wanting below the bottom rib rules and a small player wanting the fixed height!
Is it foul to service at left corner of left court or right corner of right court towards you ... My opponent mate do the weird service everytime It's so hard to play Excited to know whether it is legal? And how can I beat him .
Hi Guys!!! Been playing this game since I was little but not as a professional player. Just have 2 main questions about the latest service update. 1. Old rule says the racket should be directed downward. How about if the serve is perform with racket head pointing to the side (but height is still legit)? 2. I see professional players do this and it is annoying when used and there is a tendency that your opponent will protest it: Is it really legal to move racket side to side before swinging to hit it?
Regarding #4, in one continuous swing can I go back a slight bit and then forward without stopping? Or should it be only a complete forward movement from static start? Thanks
Great video's. I have a question. I am 6ft4. If the handle of the racket is in line with my waist and the racket is horizontal. If I use a push or a wrist flick to serve is it illegal? Some people say I'm at a disadvantage for serving so low but the serve works in my favour. Someone said it may be illegal because the handle is in line with where the shuttle is struck.
Hi guys, so technically for club level and gold sliver and bronze tournaments we should be using the old service rule? I did think this rule was only for international tournaments. Anyway nice video I can use this when I receive the stupid drive service😁
I think everyone should be using the new service rule (otherwise why would BWF bother making it)... but it's almost impossible to put in to club/gold/silver/bronze tournaments because there's no service judges 99% of the time
We'd agree with Harry Peters - until the BWF have a method to implement this into clubs & domestic tournaments, there is unfortunately no way of using this new rule and device. Which is a shame as we both quite like the new rule!!
Can we intentionally slowly pull the racket backward and then slowly but continually forward too? Continued question: If yes, can we also suddenly flick the shuttle right after the series of slow movements?
This is a really helpful guide, thank you for posting. Based on the height where the shuttle can be struck, can I then assume that the old rule of below the servers hand is no longer relevant?
@@BadmintonInsight No. This is relating to the new rule. Below 1.15m and the racket head below the hand as it used to be. I'm guessing as the height limit is now in place the racket angle is no longer relevant.
With the new 1.15m service rule, does the racket head needs to pointed at a downward angle, or it doesn’t matter as long as the shuttle is struck below the 1.15m mark?
It doesn't matter as long as it's below 1.15m - that's why we are seeing a lot more drive serves now (because you usually hit that with a flat racket angle, not downwards so it used to be called a fault a lot more in the old serving rule)
The drive serve is now a very big part of the professional game! Have a look at our drive serve video on our channel if you are interested 😀ua-cam.com/video/G0hZ7JzSoX0/v-deo.html
It could just be the camera angle, but it looks like in the tournaments the players receiving They Don't Let It Drop though it looks like it's well short of the service line
I am testing my service, I am planning to create my own service that will follow these rules. Is it legal to perform a full forehand serve with the racket having a sliced angle?
Question: Who can receive the service? can the opponents volunteer for themselves like for example the one opponents wants to receive all the services can he do that?
Thanks for opening my eyes towards service . Btw how do I know if I'm hitting shuttle exactly below 1.15 metes above ground?Is it possible to take one of my body parts as reference of 1.15 meters?
Alternatively, 1.15m is almost exactly halfway up a standard size net. (ie halfway from the bottom of the net to the top, not from the floor to the top of the net obviously.)
Could you please inform your viewers if there are different positions of serve? Are players allowed to serve from the corners of the court or is the service only from the center (dividing) line? Thank you in advance for your response!
Can we serve from extreme left or right of the cour? I mean from the sidelines. If yes then what's the disadvantages of serving from there because we usually don't see pro serve from that position
Yes you can! The huge disadvantage is your position on the court after you have served. If you play against a good player then they could easily gain the advantage from this. That being said this serve could actually work against certain lower level players, or even better players as they might get annoyed by it! We would not recommend it though having said that
@@BadmintonInsight thanks for the reply. Yes that's very annoying. I'm a amateur but I love this sports. My friend always serves like that against me and it is very annoying. And one more question. Is there speed limit for the service? I mean my friend sometimes out of nowhere serve as if he's smashing. I mean super speed, directly into my body and most of the time I'm not ready for it. Sometime it even hit my face lol😂
Several people where I play are serving by hitting the bird while firmly holding it in order to cause the shuttle to wobble and be difficult to return. ChatGPT says “You must release the shuttle before hitting it with your racket during a serve. While the rules do not explicitly state you must release the shuttlecock before hitting it, Badminton World Federation Rule 9.1.2 states the server's racket must hit the base of the shuttle so releasing the shuttle before striking ensures this rule is followed and BWF Rule 9.1.7 continuous forward motion requirement implies the shuttlecock should be released to permit striking in one fluid motion without pause. The consensus among players and coaches is the shuttle should be in motion to ensure a fair serve.” Who is right? Thanks.
I have heard that if you attempt to serve and do not strike the shuttle and the shuttle falls to the floor then you are deemed to have served and therefore have faulted. This is common in club games. Which is correct? My amateur pals say service doesn't begin until the shuttle is struck. I've read the BWF Rules and Rule 9.1.0 and Rule 9.3 say that if you attempt to serve and the shuttle is not delivered then the serve fails and you lose the service.
In doubles service social play, we sometimes have had the server serve even when the partner of the receiver is still moving. In one case, the receiver's partner was walking to their position with their back to the server. What are the rules pertaining to this? Thanks!!
Hi I have a question if you could help please. Can you look away while you are serving? I see some people do it, and the receiver can’t figure out if the server was ready or not because they were looking away while serving. I can’t seem to find this information anywhere else. Thanks!
(Middle school) There is one kid that shoots his serve as hard as he can that completely goes behind the retriever. I would consider this a major fault.
I have met some intermediate level players, who do a forehand serve, but slice and rap around the ball, which creates a really low serve with a wide angle (especially in doubles), and I was just wondering if you can effectively hit the tip of the shuttle and the feathers at the same time?
Would you call the serve at 1:09 a fault?!
Yes fault
Would not risk it but yes below the line
Ooof close call, maybe just a fault?
Yes because the whole shuttle isn't below the line! Close one though!!
@@harrypeters1341 I think deffo a fault!! You would try to be safg and give some room for error!
Short, sweet and simply explained, love it 🙌
Glad you liked it!
Just googling the service rules and found you guys again! Awesome tutorials guys! Thank you for this content 👍
Just a quick note to the implementation of the service height. 1:17 in the video.
My son was playing one of Badmminton England U13 gold tournament earlier this year. There were few courts with umpires and one or two with service umpire (First time on junior circuit). Interesting thing was that the service umpires didn't have the service device. The umpires told the players (and parents) that because they are making calls without the device, they are applying old rules of lowest rib/bellybutton height.
I know it's an old video but still relevant.
Short, sweet and great explanation. I was searching for this type of video. But every other videos are 7/10mins long with more confusion. Thank you for the video. I'm just trying to learn and teach my nephews how to service, rules and regulation of badminton
Thank you so much 😊
The service rules you describe are in the BWF statutes section 4.1 Laws of Badminton. These are for those events with the sighting devices and service judges. For most of badminton the service rules are set out in section 4.1.4 Alternative Laws of Badminton: "the whole shuttle shall be below the server’s waist" etc.
Hi Roger, thanks for the comment! Yes we did say we are unsure how the BWF will role it out to clubs.
As there is so much subjectivity with what the waist is as well as tournaments using the fixed height rule we think it would make sense for clubs to adopt this too!
I think it is fair for BWF to implement below 1.15m for all as tall players have a higher waist level, so it is unfair to short players who have to serve at lower waist level...
FINALLY A VIDEO THAT EXPLAINS THE GIST OF THINGS!! THANK YOU!
Absolutely adore your videos. There’s something for every level, which I appreciate for myself as an experienced player, but also as a resource for my older beginner students. I coach a high school team, and many of them don’t play the sport outside of those four years. This channel is awesome!
Thank you very much for this video. It clears up some of my doubts. I have a few question though.
1) Can you move your feet while serving? Example, serving while walking?
2) Can the opponent be moving around before receiving the serve?
No problem, glad it is useful! Yes we did mention this in the video at 0.25 - both feet have to be in contact with the ground (for both the server and receiver) hope this helps 😀
Read the friggin rules online
I am here after watching Alexandra Bøje and Mette Poulsen match since I couldn’t understand what was wrong with their serves. Thank you for clarifying ❤❤❤❤
I've heard pros complaining about the 115cm service height rule - but only from the tall Danes so I assume it was due to the unfair rib-height advantage they used to enjoy. I find that even without a device for gauging the height most if not all of my amateur club serves are below 115cm as I am accustomed to it and know which point in my torso is 115cm.
I used to lose to this single guy in high school because he could drive his serve into me and I felt like I couldn't do anything, turns out what he was doing is a fault, he always had his racket by his head. It was nearly a stationary smash for a serve and I felt stupid for not being able to return it.
Quick on the point! And thanks for showing serve judge perspective. Nice to see it!
Still the most contentious part of badminton. And at a club/league level (and even some tournaments where there's no service judge), how do you even call this against someone. Know a guy in my league who's 6ft3 and serves at his chest, but won't accept when we call him out :@
Is is a difficult one for sure. You don’t want to address it in wrong manner and potentially cause argument! It maybe a good idea to ask to film his serve and then compare it to a fault serve of professional player of similar height?
@@BadmintonInsight Good idea and we had considered it. I took the petty route of pointing it out to everyone at a local tournament and now everyone in the area knows 😅
I’m being forced to watch this
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To real
Same 😂
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Thanks... Absolutely Absolutely brilliant and the clearest video yet on this topic...
Most other videos are super long winded..
That was the aim 😀 thanks a lot! Glad you enjoyed it!
Actually would be nice if they can have some kind of automatic device to implement the new rule since it's a fixed height a machine should be able to do the job. It gets very frustrating in club play where people flick from their chest every single shot because they are afraid to serve low. People flick with no fault called is such a big pain when playing at club level.
Yes definitely! It's a tough one
@@BadmintonInsight Out of interest the 1.15m line is basically exactly the midpoint of a standard size net, so if the shuttle is more than halfway up the net when the opponent is serving it then it is likely a fault. Unfortunately realising your opponent is foul serving and convincing them they are/persuading them to stop are completely different things.
0:50 that sound from racket
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Ah thank you so much 😊 Amazing to hear and really glad you're enjoying our content!!
Please clarify this one in your next video👇🏾
While my opponent is serving and I’m standing at the neck of the line, ready to receive and kill the serve. The opponent showed the action of serve and not served actually that made me to jerk and the opponent called off saying I moved during the serve.
Please clarify and provide the source for reference.
Funnily enough I’ve returned to Badminton after a 25 year lay off and someone picked me up for waggling my racket just before I served.
Truly, I never realised I was doing it. It was just a nervous twitch that I must have been doing for a lifetime. Nice to see it clarified by the pros 👍🏻👍🏻
Beautifully and clearly explained. Great.
Only question is, how come no referee calls for a foul on the peculiar serve done by Kevin Sanjaya?
1. His serve is 'drive based'
2. He swings left to right, when serving
3. Hits the feathers along with the cork
So how would all the referees miss above points... We clearly see the frustration of Kevin's opponents most of the time..
Would love to have your insight please...
With love from Sri Lanka..❤️
1. Yes
2. Yes, but his feet remain in contact with the floor
3. It is legal to hit the feathers as long as you hit the cork before hitting the feathers
Hope this helps
@@erichu2264 is there any rules about, feather release before hitting the cork? Please its an important question for me.
how did you know i need this video? thank you guys . as always
My question is, I see a lot of players (including professional players) have the following trends: 1) the racket head if above or level with the wrist and 2) moving the shuttle and racket around (without forward movement) like a wand or cannon before service. Is that legal?
India's Doubles Shetty does it outright! Is it Legal.( Wasn't called at Commonwealth games 22)
FROM; Biomechanics aspect, if plotting a Graph of distance vs Time function; this would not be A proper function!!( ie, Speed would be uncontinuous). Any comments appreciated.
Even though it might be impossible to truly implement service height into clubs with perspex line thingy; it's still so much better than the vagaries of lowest rib (when you can't even see anyones ribs) and the fact that the rib thing unfairly advantaged talller players rather than it being dependent uupon ability.
Completely agree Christopher! Thanks for the comment. All the best, Greg and Jenny
now it advantages the smaller players, becomes they have more possibilities to more around, while the taller player need to unintuitivly but the racket very low
That was a good one to include. Thanks for that.
Thanks for watching 😄
@@BadmintonInsight
Welcome.
Nice video, big thanks, please do one on calling the shuttle out or in when there are no lines judges, and when (or if) to use a let...tks
Thanks Roger! When there are no line judges you need to rely on the good sportsmanship of the opponents to make the right call (in or out), and if you don't feel like they are being fair then you should ask for a let.
If it happens more than once, then ask for the tournament referee to come and keep an eye on the game!
Nice! Do you have to drop the birdie and then hit it to serve, like do you have to hit it when it is freefalling?
Can we do service with out any backward movement of the Racket? I used to do just forward action only to hit a serve... I like to see your new coaching tips in improving consistency in service so that opponent can't attack on serve.. I felt Its tough to master consistent serve. Love your videos
Thank you very much for your kind words! We prefer the slight backward motion as it makes the swing smoother and more consistent, it also makes it easier to generate power on the flick serve 😃
Excellent presentation, it was very informative.
Have you done a forehand serve instruction. Has the 2018 rule change impacted on service delivery.
The 1.15m rule is encouraging players doing the forehand serve with a rounded forearm or a hook serve. The contact is still below the 1.15m but not with the 45 degree racket angle. Can you please clarify this. Many thanks from Martin Wilson
Simple and well explained🤗🙌🏻
Thank you 🙂
DAMN! Thank you Jenny and Gregg ! Glad i came across this vid - I better cancel my surgery appointment to remove my bottom ribs
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Thanku for the detailed explanation.... Will help the kids to understand 🙏
Glad we can help!!
Amazing! Absolutely love the Motto in the background! If it was deliberate: Well played 😜👍
Haha it wasn’t! But thanks, glad you enjoyed it 😀
talking about the device used by the service judge... if you compare the DISTANCE or SPACE between the 2 lines and the DISTANCE between the device and the server, I believe there is quite a big percentage of error in judging whether the shuttle is below 1.15m at the time of serve because of the short distance between the 2 black lines. If bwf can increase the space to about 25-30 cm between the 2 lines, they will be able to judge more accurately the height of the shuttle at the time of serve...
A camera would also be good to have behind the device in case of challenges
Yes, we believe that the service judge has to sit 1 straight-arm length away from the device. And a camera is a great idea 👍🏼
Simple and Clear, thanks!
You're welcome Stephen, glad you found it useful 😃
Question: Handle is not above racket face but shaft is at a slight downward angle? Legal?
i love the way you explained: KISS ( Kept It Short n Simple)
Haha, thank you! 😊
Please make a video on rules regarding net block & net overlap in the follow through after doing a net block. Is it allowed to overlap the net if you miss the shuttle?
Whilst in tournaments I see so many people having a fault serve in doubles and even singles but when you mention it they just say that it isn’t and you can’t do anything and it really through you off your game
There's a few different strategies to coping with this which we will mention in a video at some point! The main thing is to have the ability to lower it and of course try not to let it impact your game :)
Thanks for the video, but I just asked my local league for clarification on which service rules apply and the league referred to someone who has been an umpire and service judge at the All-England. I was told that the 'Alternative' rules relating to lowest rib and pointing downwards apply if you aren't playing with a service judge and guides. To be fair to badminton insight, I can't see any reference to 'Alternative' rules that's earlier than May '22. Badminton England and/or the BWF *really* should publish an updated set of rules that is clear and easily found via search engines. [edited to take out an inaccuracy in my original post]
Hi Geoff! Yeah most clubs are still adopting the old service rules. In all honesty, both are subjective!!
Firstly, many thanks for Badminton Insight - there's a brilliant mix of great advice and good editing/direction, all done in a friendly, down to earth and 'actually useful' way! Just to mention that I've pinged a message off to Chris Trenholme at the BWF in search of a definitive answer on which rules apply to the 99.9% of badminton that is neither elite level nor para. There's a variety of conflicting information and that's such a shame, because it is unnecessary - just tell us all which rules apply when, dammit! Our league rules refer to Badminton England, BE just link to the BWF - so I asked the BWF. I've had an initial reply, but as that only mentions BWF sanctioned tournaments and para badminton, I've asked for them to give a straight yes/no on which rules apply, and which do not, in the local leagues and club matches worldwide. They ought to know and they ought to be able to tell us.
@@BadmintonInsight [Sorry to keep banging on!] I'm typing this in July 2022, so well after Badminton Insight made this video and after the BWF published its 'Alternative' rules on serving in (I think) May 2022. As the old rules on serving had been removed, and the 1.15m rule had been introduced, I think any reasonable person would believe that the 1.15m rule applied everywhere. What else could you possibly think, when the new rule was introduced and the old ones were dropped? Ok, hard to know exactly where 1.15m is (although a cheap and cheerful ribbon across the net at that height might work...), but then it's also not obvious where anyone's lower rib is, exactly. So, after hearing that the 'lower rib' rule and 'angled downwards' rules were being put out as applicable via Badminton England coaching courses, I asked the BWF for a clarification. Incidentally, one reason I have for pursuing this is that I have a copy of the Rules of Badminton on my website (sportsganiser.net) and I want that copy to be accurate and up-to-date. Anyway, Christopher Trenhome (Head of Technical Events Management at the BWF) was kind enough to get back to me, and said:
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There is no steadfast, mandated set of Laws for recreational play. Players at the recreational level can choose to use the alternative Laws or not. However, the group of players should be in agreement as to which set of Laws for service they wish to use.
For any particular organised competition (recreational, regional, etc.), players should consult the governing body with jurisdiction over the competition, for its specific rules and regulations.
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So, it seems that you need the organisers of any non-elite tournament to tell you which rules apply, because "There is no steadfast, mandated set of laws for recreational play". In case there's any doubt: "Players at the recreational level can choose to use the alternative Laws or not" .
Personally, I think Badminton England should take the lead and state, loud and clear, which service rules are the default for non-elite badminton. You know, the 99.9% of games that are played. It simply cannot continue to be undefined, variable, a matter of agreement (or, quite possibly, of disagreement!).
@@geoffkendall2006 thanks for this Geoff! Very interesting and we agree - it shouldn't be left to players to decide at all! You might get a really taller player wanting below the bottom rib rules and a small player wanting the fixed height!
Is it foul to service at left corner of left court or right corner of right court towards you ...
My opponent mate do the weird service everytime
It's so hard to play
Excited to know whether it is legal? And how can I beat him .
Serve double. When serve who can hit from opesision. Both can hit or only one
Hi Guys!!! Been playing this game since I was little but not as a professional player. Just have 2 main questions about the latest service update.
1. Old rule says the racket should be directed downward. How about if the serve is perform with racket head pointing to the side (but height is still legit)?
2. I see professional players do this and it is annoying when used and there is a tendency that your opponent will protest it: Is it really legal to move racket side to side before swinging to hit it?
Hi Jae! In the old rules if it comes over parallel it is illegal (very hard to judge) as long as the swing hasn’t started it is ok!
@@BadmintonInsight Thank you for confirming. I will now try that annoying Service. Lol!!!
Thanks a lot guy's it's simply and sweet
Ah thank you!
Regarding #4, in one continuous swing can I go back a slight bit and then forward without stopping? Or should it be only a complete forward movement from static start? Thanks
Great video - Cna you clarify. When serving or even receiving (with feet on the floor) are you allowed to stand oON any line?
No you can't be touching any of the lines on the court - as either the server OR receiver!
Really need this because tomorrow is my badminton tryouts and i don't remember the rules😭😭😭
Nice job guys 👍
Thanks
What rules apply to moving your body while serving? ie slightly dipping at the knees. I noticed some men’s double players doing it
Great video's.
I have a question. I am 6ft4.
If the handle of the racket is in line with my waist and the racket is horizontal. If I use a push or a wrist flick to serve is it illegal? Some people say I'm at a disadvantage for serving so low but the serve works in my favour.
Someone said it may be illegal because the handle is in line with where the shuttle is struck.
Hi guys, so technically for club level and gold sliver and bronze tournaments we should be using the old service rule? I did think this rule was only for international tournaments.
Anyway nice video I can use this when I receive the stupid drive service😁
I think everyone should be using the new service rule (otherwise why would BWF bother making it)... but it's almost impossible to put in to club/gold/silver/bronze tournaments because there's no service judges 99% of the time
We'd agree with Harry Peters - until the BWF have a method to implement this into clubs & domestic tournaments, there is unfortunately no way of using this new rule and device. Which is a shame as we both quite like the new rule!!
Guess everyone's going to need made-to-measure t-shirts with a line at 1.15m...and no tiptoes allowed! 🤪
I opine that there should be one rule universally except by mutual consent as there is now with game length.
Can we intentionally slowly pull the racket backward and then slowly but continually forward too?
Continued question:
If yes, can we also suddenly flick the shuttle right after the series of slow movements?
Yes, as long as it's a continual motion!
This is a really helpful guide, thank you for posting. Based on the height where the shuttle can be struck, can I then assume that the old rule of below the servers hand is no longer relevant?
Do you mean the old rule of below the bottom rib?
@@BadmintonInsight No. This is relating to the new rule. Below 1.15m and the racket head below the hand as it used to be. I'm guessing as the height limit is now in place the racket angle is no longer relevant.
Is only backhand Low ser ve allowed in a game or can we do a forehand high serve too
Can the racket be completely horizontal? Or the center line of the racket head be even above the racket grip (base) but below 1.15m ?
😍 that rent bat boy.. Again liked your video
Thank you 😁
With the new 1.15m service rule, does the racket head needs to pointed at a downward angle, or it doesn’t matter as long as the shuttle is struck below the 1.15m mark?
It doesn't matter as long as it's below 1.15m - that's why we are seeing a lot more drive serves now (because you usually hit that with a flat racket angle, not downwards so it used to be called a fault a lot more in the old serving rule)
I always dispute with some players who drive a serve to the back instead of flicking it...A shuttlecock that is driven drops down very fast...
The drive serve is now a very big part of the professional game! Have a look at our drive serve video on our channel if you are interested 😀ua-cam.com/video/G0hZ7JzSoX0/v-deo.html
It could just be the camera angle, but it looks like in the tournaments the players receiving They Don't Let It Drop though it looks like it's well short of the service line
It might be just the angle! Players are very good at judging if it is in or out 😊
Nice information
Thanks! 😄
can we change position of our racket while serving? for example from changing from pointing at 6 o'clock to 8 o'clock.
Yes you can! :)
Nice, Thank You.
You're very welcome!
Can u please advise which raquet is gud for a player(not a beginner)
Hi Shan, this is not so simple! Have you watched our 'how to choose a racket' video? ua-cam.com/video/F_-0pHH8mSI/v-deo.html
Thank you so much.
Thanks for watching!
Thankyou for this video
I am testing my service, I am planning to create my own service that will follow these rules. Is it legal to perform a full forehand serve with the racket having a sliced angle?
Yes it is!
Thank you. ^^,
Question: Who can receive the service? can the opponents volunteer for themselves like for example the one opponents wants to receive all the services can he do that?
Can u make a video for defense such as cut, clear and drive?
Do you mean a block defence? We will definitely look to do this video for you at some point!
Thanks for opening my eyes towards service .
Btw how do I know if I'm hitting shuttle exactly below 1.15 metes above ground?Is it possible to take one of my body parts as reference of 1.15 meters?
odd question since no one here knows the height of your body parts. lol... Get a ruler and measure what body part is 1.15 meters.
Alternatively, 1.15m is almost exactly halfway up a standard size net. (ie halfway from the bottom of the net to the top, not from the floor to the top of the net obviously.)
When backward movement of the servers racket head any delay to starting the service called ...???
Is it legal to vary the time before moving the racket forwards if not using a back swing first ?
Good one
Thanks
Thank You Sir...
Glad you enjoyed it Albin! :)
hi guys, i don't play badminton in a club and as an amateur i am wondering if you are allowed to serve with a forehand instead of a backhand
Of course you are! Hope you’re enjoying it!
@@BadmintonInsight i am ! and your channel helps me a lot improving and training ! thank you so much !
Have 2 questions 1. Should the shuttlecock be tossed before serving? 2. Should the shuttlecock touch the racket when service is made?
Check out our step-by-step serving tutorial (it was released at the same time as this video) 😁🏸
What about which side you're supposed to stand on?
Could you please inform your viewers if there are different positions of serve? Are players allowed to serve from the corners of the court or is the service only from the center (dividing) line? Thank you in advance for your response!
You can serve from anywhere in the legal area.
Can we do wrist rotated flick serve with slight power without violating all the service rules that you have mentioned ?
Is there any shuttle which has sensor inside the cork to identify the outs and service errors?
Can we serve from extreme left or right of the cour? I mean from the sidelines. If yes then what's the disadvantages of serving from there because we usually don't see pro serve from that position
Yes you can! The huge disadvantage is your position on the court after you have served. If you play against a good player then they could easily gain the advantage from this. That being said this serve could actually work against certain lower level players, or even better players as they might get annoyed by it! We would not recommend it though having said that
@@BadmintonInsight thanks for the reply. Yes that's very annoying. I'm a amateur but I love this sports. My friend always serves like that against me and it is very annoying. And one more question. Is there speed limit for the service? I mean my friend sometimes out of nowhere serve as if he's smashing. I mean super speed, directly into my body and most of the time I'm not ready for it. Sometime it even hit my face lol😂
Several people where I play are serving by hitting the bird while firmly holding it in order to cause the shuttle to wobble and be difficult to return.
ChatGPT says “You must release the shuttle before hitting it with your racket during a serve. While the rules do not explicitly state you must release the shuttlecock before hitting it, Badminton World Federation Rule 9.1.2 states the server's racket must hit the base of the shuttle so releasing the shuttle before striking ensures this rule is followed and BWF Rule 9.1.7 continuous forward motion requirement implies the shuttlecock should be released to permit striking in one fluid motion without pause. The consensus among players and coaches is the shuttle should be in motion to ensure a fair serve.”
Who is right? Thanks.
Can we move the hands that holds the shuttle when serving or the hands should be still when letting the shuttle go?
Very understandable
I have heard that if you attempt to serve and do not strike the shuttle and the shuttle falls to the floor then you are deemed to have served and therefore have faulted. This is common in club games. Which is correct? My amateur pals say service doesn't begin until the shuttle is struck. I've read the BWF Rules and Rule 9.1.0 and Rule 9.3 say that if you attempt to serve and the shuttle is not delivered then the serve fails and you lose the service.
Yes it is a fault if you have started the serving motion ie moving a racket toward the shuttle! Hope that helps 😃
@@BadmintonInsight Thanks heaps.
In doubles service social play, we sometimes have had the server serve even when the partner of the receiver is still moving. In one case, the receiver's partner was walking to their position with their back to the server. What are the rules pertaining to this? Thanks!!
Can you do a video where people move the shuttle left and right before releasing the shuttle from their fingers for service?
Is it legal for my opponent to move the racket side to side when serving?
Feel sorry, No one wants to Answer this? WHY.
Hi I have a question if you could help please.
Can you look away while you are serving? I see some people do it, and the receiver can’t figure out if the server was ready or not because they were looking away while serving. I can’t seem to find this information anywhere else. Thanks!
In my local club, we don't have these 1.15 meters devices, so we are using old service rules.
Yes we think it's the same for the vast majority of clubs around the world. We're still not sure how (or if) the BWF will implement this into clubs!
Put a piece of ribbon or tape on the net and that will help guide the server and umpire.
What racquets are you using - the company and model?
Greg uses the Auraspeed 90K and I use the Thruster BXR. They are both Victor rackets - you can check them out here: trmesports.com
@@BadmintonInsight thanks for your response 🙂
Now i know what is the function of the device 👍👍
Is the movement side to side of the racket and shuttle allowed before the serve is started. Ie before you draw the racket backwards.
Thank you
(Middle school) There is one kid that shoots his serve as hard as he can that completely goes behind the retriever. I would consider this a major fault.
Nice 👍 thanks 🙏🏽
I have met some intermediate level players, who do a forehand serve, but slice and rap around the ball, which creates a really low serve with a wide angle (especially in doubles), and I was just wondering if you can effectively hit the tip of the shuttle and the feathers at the same time?
It's illegal to hit the feathers, you have to hit the cork first :)
Thank You Mam..
What if the shuttle touches the net during service only? Will that call for a re- or a point for the opponent?
If the shuttle touches the net and it lands in then it's fine! It if touches the net and it lands out, then you lose the point as normal 👍🏼