Belgian Black Rifle: the FNC at the Range
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Today, we're taking the FN FNC out to the range to see how it handles...
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Does his famas know that he doesn’t want guns with 900rpm? WHAT A BETRAYAL.
He is sleeping on the couch today...
😄
@@magoid It's not always to your advantage if both of your favorite guns speak french
The famas probably stuffed the bad GI mag in Ian's range bag. Fortunately Gun Jesus knows how to deal with wayward magazines. ua-cam.com/video/_61NDFvLzo4/v-deo.html
😢 "Tu étais avec elle. Traître !"
This gun is perfect for urban chases especially in somewhere like Los Angeles during a bank robbery or something
Ikr....lol
😅
Assuming you guys are referring to the North Hollywood shootout in '97?
@@raelik777 Heat
@@raelik777 lol.... no the movie Heat.
Gun Jesus preforms a miracle of a bolt hold open, via a jam...
It's not a bug, it's a feature!
Say gun jesus.....lol
😂
Also known as the "Vincent Hanna".
(Heat fans will get this lame joke about an FNC and movie editing)
This gun doesn't bolt hold open? Lemme fix that
Are you telling me that magazines initially designed to be disposable don’t hold up very well over time?
Shocking, right?
Gen III Pmags are now GI, oddly enough. hmm...
What color is the follower? If orange, tan or gray, you shouldn't have any problems. Green or black can lead to problems.
upgrade the follower if it isnt working properly, or possibly just clean it
@@ftargr Or buy PMags like a normal person.
Ian doing a match using this, dressed as Pacino from Heat would make me very happy.
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Not quite but close enough
@@pepati30 Ah yes, I thought I had a vague memory of something similar, but wasn't sure if it was some deranged fever dream I'd had.
Still, seeing Ian run a course with a pair of lifts, gold rings and a wig would make my day. 🤣
He did
Who would have thought that a business suit and tactical rigging would go so well together?
Better to do a Scarface tribute, "Say hello to my little friend!"
I was virtually “married” to this beauty during the time I served in the Belgian Air Force. When we finally upgraded from SAFNs and Thompson to brand new FNCs it felt like Christmas morning
I'm surprised you kept the SAFNs and Thompsons that long, if only because if the ammo supply.
OTOH, I guess your air force (like most air forces) wasn't slinging that many rounds downrange and wasn't as worried about supplying high volumes of ammo to the mechanics out of NATO stocks...
She’ll always be my first battle rifle 🥰
Where stationed? My dad was stationed in Kleine brogel from 1980's if i recall
@@geodkyt you’re absolutely right: even during training exercises the armorers kept a watertight admin on ammo consumption: as soon as the newer types were introduced SAFNs were mostly relegated to school / basic training environments: it was still cool to polish them up for parades and salutes, though
I'm probably going to be sad because i'll probably only get to shoot the scar. i already feel like i'm a generation too late for anything good in life. ( aiming to join 11Bn GN in a year or two).
That slow motion showing the flex of the barrel was so cool.
Surprisingly more than I thought. Maybe the heavier muzzle device is giving it more momentum to flex?
I can't believe I've never seen that before! 😮👍
First thing I noticed in the slow motion portions. I was surprised at how much flex there was.
and the slight shift of the upper and lower!
Why does it do that?🤔
I don't know why, but watching that dust cover dance around under full auto fire amuses me to no end. I could watch that all day haha.
It does look like a googly eye goldfish,love it
I'm absolutely amazed that the Belgians designed something more complicated and expensive than the Swiss. The Sig 55x series just uses rubber flaps riveted into the receiver 😄
Put a mustache sticker on it
"There's a reason everyone went to Magpul...that's it." Throws jammed mag over his shoulder. The mag throw beats the mic drop every time.
Every conversation ought to end with that. It's along the same lines as "Carthago delende est."
...except that a decent USGI mag with a green or newer follower hasn't failed me in the past 25 years 😋
@@ErikL727 I agree that GI mags generally run fine, and anecdotally i've never had an issue with them at the range, but I do think there are far better magazines so I can agree with Ian's sentiment too. At least when it comes to self defense, GI mags would not be my first choice.
@@ErikL727 Me neither. I've been using NHMTG/Surefeed/Okay Industries mags since getting out of the service in 1984. They are all "GI Mags". I don't own anything else.
@@BcFuTw9jt you can believe or deny what you want. We prove out our equipment so that we can depend on it to save our hides. You can choose to do it in perpetuity if you want to with whatever Johnny Come Lately mag floats your boat.
Cold War era firearms are so aesthetically pleasing to me, slick looking iron-sighted weapons without all these modern attachments and usually a focus on being compact. The FNC is probably my favourite example of that, such a gorgeous assault rifle, and how controllable it is!
It must be one of the last new assault rifle designs that was widely adopted during the Cold War era - it just slightly postdates the Steyr Aug and Sig 540. The SA80 was introduced later on, but it had been in development for years. It's like the last gasp of an era before everybody standardised on the AR15 and AK.
I have the same thing but for WW1/WW2 era firearms.
What's an "Assault" rifle?
@@thizmyblockbitch1907 This is an assault rifle. SMH
@@airman88a An intermediate-caliber, select-fire rifle that feeds from detachable box mags - like the rifle in the video.
Gun Jesus: **sticks M16 mag into FNC**
FNC machine spirit: **are you sure about that**
Is it wrong that I expected Ian to do this with a "Heat" cosplay?
Yeah, go watch GarandThumb's FNC video to scratch that itch.
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I like the AK-esque "click clack" of the rifle being charged. 👍🏻
@Daniel Brown Nice 'Cube reference! 😁👍🏻
Wallonians make the best weapons:
Dieudonné Saive (FAL creator)
Ernest Vervier (MAG/Minimi creator)
Louis Leclercq (FNC creator)
the SCAR series
And my favorite Wallonian gun my beloved F2000 (Fusil2000)
I’m so proud of my people vive la Wallonie 💪🇧🇪
@@NicaraguanNacatamale There's definitely nothing wrong with Cuvic Pride, And you are correct, those are all great weapons. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I love the ending, what a twist.
A 1:12 twist?
If the Brits had adopted this instead of the SA80 I think they would have been much happier.
We should have just cut our losses and gone for the M16 instead.
AUG... if they wanted a Bullpup so bad, just adopt a good one.
I think if they adopted sharpened sticks instead of the SA80 they would still have been happier.
should have never stopped with the SLR. seeing as how things are now going back up the bullet size/power scale again..
perhaps changing the whole of the wests militarys based on teens fighting in a jungle who didnt want to be there wasnt the best idea for NATO in the first place..
The SA80 A3 is a very good rifle.
In the army we were taught to never fire more than 90 rounds in short succession, if we had to do more we then should wait until the barrel was cool enough to hold a hand to it. I reckon the gas system adjustment would be cool enough by then to flip back and fourth without issue then, not that we did much with it on the AK5C
Would you say that having that feature is worthwhile, or would you say that it's unnecessary?
@@Dr._Nope I answer you as a swede that had the early AK5 during my military service 1988-89. Yes it is a good idea considering the combination of dirty gun and very cold winters we get here.
@@Dr._Nope it's absolutely worthwhile when it's below -30°C and you've shot a couple mags worth without cleaning. Temperature has an outsized effect on how much friction all that gunk creates.
@Mäkirannantörmä Depending on the nature of the exercise, I didn't always carry much more than 1 mag either (I was a type of coms soldier for my NS) But I was also the MG assistant of our squad so I'd tend to carry quite a few hundred rounds for some exercises, and I also tended to have brass in my uniform when I took it off after we did live fire in the woods. Never got my self burnt on any of the casings somehow though.
90 round limit is more about shortening barrel life dramatically and good barrels are very expensive to replace. There are multiple studies on this subject if you want to spend few hours of your life reading through them.
As anecdotal evidence: I was autorifleman and was handed newly rebarreled rifle at basic and when I moved to reserve I handed over my gun to be rebarreled again, firing 200-600 rounds in very short timeframes ate away the barrel turning the rifle into a gun. (I partly blame tungsten AP ammo too for that)
It sounds very similar to the final gunfight in the movie "Heat"
The sound engineer for Heat served in the Swedish Army. He recorded actual gunshots of the weapon.
Thats because it is, Vincent Hanna (Al Pacino's character) uses this rifle.
@@vaserus5685 Thanks, I should have noticed.
Best shoot-out scene in the history of cinema. (Sound wise)
Have you seen Ian literally do that scene?
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@@draxxsklounst6595 yes. I was just commenting on how similar it sounds still.
Okay, now that you've done the videos on Funco, we need to see Sig-chan.
As an Indonesian kid who grew up through the 1998 - 1999 period, the sound of this gun bring back many... less fond... memories.
Well, it must be hard back then doesn't it, so, how was life back there in NTT?
What happened in Indonesia at that time?
@@zzz6730 Collapse of the Suharto Regime. Shooting of students, riots, widespread shootings in East Timor. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_of_Suharto en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_East_Timorese_crisis
I was about to play a Serbian war song called "My Dad Is A War Criminal", but I don't want to get snatched away
@@pemujakufaku2031 ua-cam.com/video/1Ta4SZr-p8E/v-deo.html
The FNC has a manual bolt hold open where you pull the bolt back but not all the way, and then pull out the charging handle into a groove. This is for easier chamber inspections or clearing jams. At 5:30 you unknowingly(?) activate this and apparently wonder why the bolt stuck while there were no more cartridges jamming the receiver.
I believe he was referring to not having a bolt hold open that's actuated by the magazine follower after the last round is ejected, like what you see on the M-16.
@@airplanenut89 Yes Ian talked about it but that has nothing to do with this feature. The Ak5C variant has a last round bolt hold open, in addition to this manual lock.
Funko fun time!!
I remember when I as a Swedish conscript got to fire this on full auto for the first time, only one guy in my platoon could pull off 3 round bursts. We almost never used it, maybe a three round burst option would be better for us. Nice rifle anyway. Later in life when I re-joined the standard was the upgraded version with rails and open when empty
They told us that "A" is for "Aldrig" and to use semi-auto, so why even bother with a burst setting? :D
Wallonians make the best weapons:
Dieudonné Saive (FAL creator)
Ernest Vervier (MAG/Minimi creator)
Louis Leclercq (FNC creator)
the SCAR series
And my favorite Wallonian gun my beloved F2000 (Fusil2000)
I’m so proud of my people vive la Wallonie 💪🇧🇪
Ian stepping out of frame with the mag clunking off in the distance was a perfect end to this video, and had me in stitches.
There is a reason they came up with a new follower design.
Damm time travelers
Mans commented 3 weeks ago on a video released not even a dat after it was uploaded
Patreon?
Broke: Ian fires the FNC cosplaying Pacino in Heat
Woke: Ian fires the FNC cosplaying Funco-chan from Upotte!!
_my mind shudders at the thought_
I used the FNC as service rifle.
Not the most ergonomic or pretty but I find them tough and mostly reliable (using FN Mags).
Yeah, not ergonomic because of the folded skeleton style, stock.. cheek doesn't rest well & comfortably. But yes it's reliable as Swedish can confirm.
Love these range videos, I appreciate the slow motion shots, and I always love seeing these after you show an awesome breakdown and history on the various firearms.
Can we just appreciate how good the shots sound in this environment? Like actually, it sounds beautiful.
A suggestion, if I may.
Use a steel target when firing these full auto guns so, we as an audience can get positive feedback on how controllable (or not) these platforms really are.
Great video. Thank you for posting.
None of them are, it'd be real disappointing or misleading for folks.
Only value of full auto on service rifles firing offhand is up close and personal or suppressive fire.
The steel would either need to be close (no thanks), as within fifty yards to demonstrate the "up close and personal" or distant, and then you'd just hear one little "tink" and then no more little "tinks."
It'd be underwhelming to say the least
@@JD-tn5lz with all due respect. This is a myth.
I have fired a number of full auto weapons and, a number of them are very controllable, if you fire 2-5 rounds at a time.
it doesn't lock open
locks open anyway
a miracle
I was wondering that too, haha.
Great video, the slow motion and the flexing of the barrel was way Cool to watch. North Texas is watching 👍
Very nice footage in slow motion. Can't believe how much the gun flexes
Fnc is my bucket list rifle.
First, I felt a little shortchanged because of the curtailed mag dump. But the bit after that more than made up for it :D
An interesting rifle, and a great video, as always!
This rifle looks like it would be fun to take out to the range..thanks for the review Ian! You made this disabled US Army Veteran's day with covering of this cool rifle!😃
Ian: "I don't want 800 or 900 rounds a minute out of a 5.56 rifle"
Also Ian: **couldn't stop swooning over the full-auto FAMAS**
the Swedish Modernized AK5 looks pretty sci-fi for sutch an Old rifle tho
The early version of Ak5/FNC already looks good though
It'd be interesting to see a mud test of an FNC, testing it's adverse gas setting too
im so happy you didnt cut the mag malfuntion. love this :)
Seems to be a fair bit of barrel whip there - great slo mo footage!
I'm assuming the problem with the USGI mag is because it has the old style follower as opposed to the current no-tilt followers.
Yeah, if it's a modern made mag with an anti-tilt follower, you're fine. The Okay Industries mags work great generally, and I assume with parts like the feedlips being aluminum, they'll certainly outlast Magpul mags when faced with hard use. I hear good things about Lancers as duty mags.
so true. not to mention that metal has temperature differences while polymer is less suffering (hot/cold)
That's why all of my GI mags have Magpul anti tilt followers added.
This video was so close to being 5 minutes and 56 seconds long...
Love your work sir!
as a swede im enjoying this extra much. its called the ak5 here. had one in my military service 99-00. lovely clip Ian!
Steel/Aluminum GI mags are perfectly fine if you run upgraded anti-tilt followers in them.
FNC has a manual bolt hold open. Pull the bolt back, pull the cocking handle out and clicks into a recess on the steel upper receiver. Then to charge the FNC with new magazine you hit the cocking handle in and bolt will drop feeding the new round.
@AB Agree nothing like a good HK slap!
I was learned that you was not supposed to slap the charging handle. As those lugs that hold it can break.
During my service those were just used when the rifles were inspected by commanding officers.
I really like the way the dust cover works on this weapon, looked very efficient! Nothing is getting in there!
Those slo-mo shots with the small flash at the piston head.. ❤️
The gun looks and sounds awesome.
Thanks to everyone who supports him. With UA-cam’s new rules it’s the supporters who allow him to keep showing us these full autos
Hope those jams will be feature in another video about weapon jams; i loved that one.
Working guns are interesting, but also jams with a technical analysis after them🖤
amazing how much the barrel bends when firing!!! visible on the slowmotion shots.
5:27 Card: "Did you learn something today?"
Me: Yea...don't use GI mags.
I learned on the FAL the transition to the FNC was natural :-) love them both. There is a nice rail for optics SM-FNC-01.
It sounds exactly like it does on Heat. Every time that FNC shows up in the movie I smile a little more
The slow-mo really shows the barrel flex.
Today's video sponsored by MagPul: "For magazines you can trust!" :)
The "jamming in full auto" is actually pretty common in the Ak5 as well, or at least used to ba around year 2000.
I agree. Not a fan of the Ak5A
Yeah that's the fault of the worthless mags and worn extractors. Saved money on replacements tho!
Never happened to me (1998-1999) but admittedly we didn't do much full auto shooting.
The AK5c mags with bolt catch are better
Sounds just how I thought it would! Its sound in Heat is pretty accurate to the real sound too. One more reason to love that movie. Mann really goes all out in the sound effects for his movies.
Thank you Ian great work
Someone draw Ian with Funco from Upotte
Disappointed by the lack of Upotte comments, this is the first one.
Well, someone did it yesterday on Twitter, and it was retwitted Tennouji-sensei (mangaka who draw Upotte!!). Unfortunately links does not survive here.
Dear DS Armes or Brownells. Please make an updated fnc.
Ian: what can I say, it's a 5.56 rifle
me: it's very loud
Thank you Ian for giving attention to this beauty from my country. Now just don't forget to enjoy our beer, chocolate, witloof and waffles...
That's probably more of an issue with the black follower mags. The tan followers have largely solved that feed issue.
We had black, green, tan and probably another color follower I'm forgetting before the USMC went to pmags and I for sure kept those lol
@@miatalife94 thanks to black followers I rated an alibi on an alibi during my first fleet qual at the 200 rapid at cherry point in Dec 2004.
*When Funko heard about you saying her "thongs"...*
I see that you are a man of culture as-well.
**Click**
**Clack**
AAAAAAAH
*_bangbangbangbangbang_*
Well, her Swede cousins might say otherwise about their standard issue lower undergarments.
McCollum-sensei said she is *a little heavy*.
You know it!
I winced a little when I watched that bolt handle reciprocate so close to Ian's face.
Now I know where IWI got the idea for the spring loaded dust cover.
Father you went to go get milk why did instead bring a Belgian semi automatic rifle?
No melk, only Belgian semi automatic rifle.
Because you can get as much milk as you'll ever want, cow or human, when you have a Belgian semi automatic rifle
Its amazing that we in Belgium can barely own this rifle because the government deemded them illegal because they used to be full auto converted to semi and that is a forbidden weapon -under belgian gun laws
My FN-FNC new came with 1 very sturdy steel black magazine. The carbine I have has the folding stockband grenade launcher muzzle and site with lift up launcher site. I purchased mine in 1984. Still looks new. Only put 600 rds through it.
Used it a lot when I was in the belgian army, difference to this only that we had a full rifle butt like the FN Cal. Easy to maintain too. Loved it!
You know what's cooler looking than a reciprocating charging handle? A reciprocating charging handle that goes under a rocking dust cover.
Swedish army did dropp the burst, a soldierd shot them in singel fire, and hardly ever full auto.
We did get to train in full auto doing aimed fire with live rounds though which is more than you get to do with the AK4
Indeed, never fired my AK 5 in full auto, not even once for fun.
@@lavrentivs9891 same here, we never got any practice nor instructions on fill auto. Then my sqaud got told of by a visiting officer during an live fire exercise for not shooting full auto. (Swedish conscript in the 90s)
We did some training in full auto with the AK5 but only in CQB and clearing of foxholes and trenches
@@CJ_Roret True, but i have a feeling that it is depending some on the training personel too. I got some full auto training thanks to our captain and the way he did things and i am just a lowly fuel truck driver!!
WITH THE HIGH SPEED CAMERA FOOTAGE ,YOU CAN REALLY SEE THE FIREARM FLEX AND WOBBLE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A MIRACLE ANYTHING WAS EVER HIT BY IT..
I KNOW IT'S JUST THE HIGH SPEED CAMERA MAGNIFYING DEFLEXION OF THE BARREL AND THE FOLDING BUTT STOCK.
BARREL HARMONICS ? I GUESS..
AWESOME VIDEO
COOL HIGH SPEED CAMERA WORK.
A whole new meaning to the term "mag dump" at the end of the video.
I love the controversy over the 3 rd mode, sure seasoned troops don't need it, but any prolonged war runs out of them and many wars likewise start out with green troops, 3 rd burst was designed to increase hit probability while reducing waste, look at the casualties to rounds fired statistics over history and see how wasteful full auto fire is.
It does seem like 3-round burst is a sensible option for a conscript army. The only stigma of it comes from more seasoned troops with better trigger control, so maybe the best method of deploying rifles with a burst mechanism is simply having troops qualify to use automatic fire if they decide to remain in the army after their conscription period is over, and then swapping out the trigger pack once they pass.
@@johneden2033 I agree, but accuracy has to be taught too, spray and pray is far to wasteful, even though it boosts morale with the hail of gunfire, and certainly has benefit for suppressing the enemy, being careless with the full auto switch can mean troops low on ammo when they need it...so yes a graduated approach would make sense, perhaps a block that the armory could remove, but not the common soldier
GI Mags work with the new “updated” follower. Magpul actually sells the followers in 3 packs and I think they’re under $2 on clearance at MidwayUSA right now. I stopped out all of my followers and the mags run better though I still prefer the polymer mags.
Good to know in states where we can't have post ban 30 round Pmags
Yep, I have a heap of GI type mags with replaced followers - they work perfectly.
I really enjoy watching the dust cover kinda shuffle around a bit
The dust cover is awesome!
Ian are you aware that you can hold the bolt open by pulling the charging handel back and then pushing it in?
Not pushing in, i believe, but maybe pulling it out, as on the swedish AK5?
@@RiderOftheNorth1968 I may indeed be remembering it wrong.
I believe he means a hold-open that is engaged by the follower on the magazine when the last round is ejected, like what you find on the M-16.
@@airplanenut89 I know but he hasn't mentioned the feature i was talking about in either video
Yeah. Pulling it out it is.
It's that lug just before the place there you can disassemble the charging handle.
It was used(during my service) when the commanding officers inspected the rifles.
Submachine gun has smaller projectile? I’m callin you out McCollum!
So you still haven't watched his video of a bump-stocked 2mm Kolibri pistol.
1800 rounds per minute is impressive but only 5 cartridges.
1:03 Nice gun sound!
These *FN* beauties do the best sound when you cycle them.
Time as come!
I request a review of Upotte.
2:20 3 round burst is for conscripts/draftees/levies with minimal training.
It would have looked out of place had you used a Pmag, but it probably would have worked better.
Fair does Ian looking good and nice all round description very surprised at how much flop or bend the gun does ? Nice one
Thank you , Ian .
UA-cam: "Did you learn something today?" Me: "Don't use GI mags!"
As a lefty, does the charging handle flying back and forth in your face bother you?
Not Ian, but as a fellow lefty it does not bother me unless it is supressed as it then tends throw a lot of hot gas in my face. (G36 and HK416 with a short stroke piston are much better than a longstroke weapon)
your knowledge on firearms is rather admirable
Had our swedish version (AK5) as my service rifle over a period of 2,5 years and loved it. Never any issues in sand, snow etc. Super controlable and a very smooth shooter. Only drawback is the pitchy sound that my ears didnt agree with.
A modernized semi-auto version would sell like McDonald's here I bet.
I think the XCR is close enough.
I.e. Galil Ace
@@trailg19c e.g.
It would be interesting to see how the bullets hit on the taget but since you stated you aren't a crack shot I can see why that would not be your preferance. That said a grouping on single, burst and full auto would be very interesting
The end of the video was glorious.
I lost it at the tossed GI mag at the end.
No Ian, that's why everyone went to anti-tilt followers in their aluminum mags ;) Anyway, that rifle looks AND sounds great! It sounds very similar to one of the rifles used in the game 'Perfect Dark' for the Nintendo 64 :)
Hurray for the anti-tilt followers!!!
I shoot left handed, since I’m left eye dominant, so getting your feedback on how a gun functions for lefties is really helpful. I always like hearing the perspective, since you don’t get that on the other channels as much. I should say I am not left handed regularly, I just shoot that way. It’s comfortable, and is nicer for bows and arrows too. Glad I went with my eye dominance over handedness.
Plot twist: at the end when he throws the magazine behind his back a loose cartridge falls on a lone pebble and detonates
Luckily not...
Thanks for the video!