Heavy equipment mechanic in the Northeast, and with the rust up here a 12 point wrench or socket on a 6 point fastener is the fastest way to a rounded fastener. I have all sorts of 6 point wrenches, box, ratcheting, ratcheting flex head, line wrenches, and the Matco hex grip. I do have a set of Snap on flank drive plus but rarely use the box end to break fasteners free unless I have no other option. Since those RBRT wrenches came out they have been my go to in the service truck to break fasteners free and they have worked great for me, especially for holding a nut when its a nut and bolt situation. If I can I weld the new nut going back in so the next guy doesn't have to deal with that. I actually envy you for not having to deal with damaged or corroded fasteners, life much be so much easier. I really like you channel keep up the great work, wish you were up this way so I wouldn't have to work on my camper.
Thanks man for the different perspective. As a mechanic and maintenance guy at work I encounter many fasteners that someone else has rounded and messed up the six point head, requiring a quality (for lack of a better thought) tool in order for me to get that fastener off. Many times it isn’t a fastener but instead it’s a hydraulic component that I can’t just run down the road and buy a new one, meaning I really need to remove and re-install it in order to finish my job and get the machine operator back to work. I can see the need (from my perspective) to really have both kinds of wrenches in my tool box. Thanks for taking the time to lend an alternative perspective for us to think about.
I own multiple sets of 6 point combo wrenches and I use them quite often. I live in the rust belt and deal with mostly older cars. Sometimes, a 6 point wrench saves an awful lot of time. Yes, they're not my only set of wrenches, but they're certainly quite useful.
6 point box end combo wrenches definitely have there place in my tool boxes. I own various sets of combo wrenches...Craftsman, Snap-On, Gear Wrench and S•K. Craftsman's new Overdrive combo wrenches are great and have a 6 point box end with teeth on 3 sides of the box end. Snap-On is 12 point, S•K is 12 point box end.
You mention a very specific and accurate point. All the videos proclaiming these RBRT only show them turning damaged fasteners out in the open. Great catch.
I agree with everything you said about six-point box end wrenches. There are certain situations where they’re great. For every day use, however, there are more downsides when compared to 12-point wrenches.
@@rvtechproalso, as soon as you put your finger in the Tekton six point ratcheting wrench, and flip the pawl, it doesn't move. You did it in front of your face, and said it moves. But it doesn't move. I am positive that you smoke crack.
Back in the 90's I worked in a union millwright fabrication shop so everything had to be made in U.S.A., most of the 40 guys in the shop had Craftsman tools. One day the oldest guy in the shop came walking over to me and asked me if I had a socket for this and he handed me a 12 point fastener, I grabbed a Craftsman 12pt out of my tool box and he thought I just handed him a moon rock. ;-) I'm a 12 point wrench and socket guy.
Sometimes in tight spots you don't have much room to move and 12 point works with hex fasteners and 12pt fasteners, some will say hex nuts and bolts get rounded off by 12pt fasteners yet I've never had this happen. @@fishkluch
@@fishkluchsometimes you’ve got to work in really tight spaces where you can’t turn the wrench enough to put a 6 point on it. A 12 point gives you that in between of each turn that a 6 point can’t always give you in tight spaces
I have a set of Proto six point wrenches and love them in automotive at least. They work great for suspension work, drain plugs, and stuff. A cramped engine bay or under dash not so much. For the tight area I use the matco flex head ratchet wrenches srfm102pa.
I appreciate you guys enlightening me about the existence of the six point wrenches my Air Force buddy showed me his set of snap on ones truly I’ve never seen them before did not know that was a thing
I personally will not give up my RBRT they have their place. There are there for that O crap moment. Not as a daily driver. Like most mechanics, i have more wrenches than i honestly need. Every size, every length, every shape for both SAE and Metric. My go to everyday wrench is Snap On 12 pt combination standard length wrenches. They get 75% of the work. Fun fact, a while back i read a article stating that the average Technician owned 18 ratchets. I owned 18 ratchets in the 80s. At last count it was at 43 and i have picked up a few since then. Do not even ask about Snap On ratchets screwdrivers. Its not really my fault though, they offer way to many colors. Im semi retired now, meaning i only work on jobs i choose to do. Thanks for the video brother, i agree with everything except removing them. It only takes that one bolt or nut that requires that technology. Not much worse than knowing you have the proper tool but its at home. Have a great day and a Merry Christmas.
Interesting and important perspective. Thanks for the opposite of a hot-take :) This is one of the reasons I sold my SK xFrame set, and why the GearWrench and other long-double-box-flex (i.e. Mountain competitors) that have a 6-point box are non-starters (not to mention I want a reverse switch and not have to flip them). Icon makes a great anti-slip design and has a 12-point box end.
Agreeing with your assessments. I find 6 point wrenches mostly helpful for breaking bolts loose, I have a few vintage Craftsman 6 point double box ends. I could see using the open end for final torque but you have the same issue of space and angle , unlike a 12 point box end. There would be situations where i would prefer the 6 point due to worn points on the fastener and/or from just soft metal fasteners.
One of the main things about using a 12 pt wrench is that it allows you to use the wrench on the fasteners in various angles, where as a 6pt is only going to give you a select amount or a specific angle. It is perfectly fine to use a 12 pt wrench/socket on a 6pt fastener. The only caveat is using them on a rounded or rusty fastener, it may, and I say may with an absolute meaning of slight, cause the head to round, but it could round even with a 6pt.
I daily the rbrt wrenches love the case. Road tech for fork lifts sometimes yes it becomes a issue. But for me it's rare and I also have a small 3/8 ratchet set along side me for those times
I barely know what a box end is, and I just bought double box end craftsman v series for cheap, and you verified what I have experienced when working with 6 point. But I do like the extended face.
Granted the RBRT has a more refined open end for better torque. (atleast to my knowledge, I have a USAG brand of the MAC RBRT but not precision torque, Im just going off the video you show.) But with most of your criticism revolving around the box end I'd have to agree with you on the fact of whats the point in using half of a tool at 100% (RBRT) when you can use all of a tool at 90% of the other (PT). Everyone has thier needs and this is a good informational video to inform buyers. Thanks for the video!
Man just stumbled on this been checking out the rbrt set but I have had that very concern of the 6point it the automotive field for my personal experience if I’m grabbing a wrench it’s because nothing else will fit in that space and I need the 12 point to index in the best position possible. I think the open end would work well though. Thanks for the vid man appreciate an honest opinion.
There is a place for 6 point box end wrenches and sockets. These are designed for heavier duty work; suspension, steering components, drain plugs and the like. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've seen damaged/rounded heads because someone consistently used a 12 point socket or wrench especially on oil pan drain plugs. Having said that, the flank drive plus, RBT, Wright grip wrenches have their place in removing rounded/damaged bolts that won't otherwise come loose. I own the Wright Grip wrenches for this purpose and they have served me well. The twelve point box end is convenient; little doubt about that. However, if a bolt/nut is in a critical position or large in size, I need to be sure it will come loose/tighten without damage, its time for the 6 point tool. I own complete sets of 6 and 12 point sockets and wrenches for this reason.
I agree with this man’s sentiments 💯 about 6 point combo wrenches. Only time I want a six point combination wrench is to break a stubborn janky bolt loose. Oddly I have some 6 point Mac box end wrenches my 94 year old grandpa bought in his youth. So 6 point box end been around forever lol
I use Mac Reversible 6pt Ratcheting Wrenches as my daily driver's. I do have a set of Mac 12pt Flex head ratcheting wrenches but i find having a switch to change the direction is easier to work with than having to change the angle of the head to change direction but they each have their use.
Snap on do make 6 point spanners, my snap on rep sold a set not too long ago. I thought of getting them for rounded or seized bolts as I mainly work on garden/ green machines so 9/10 fasteners are rusted, seized, rounded or just fucked up. I think for myself these RBRT spanners would be great as tight access isn't really an issue, most machines are pretty open and naked by design. I don't think these were ever a daily use spanner but still nice to have as a back up I think. thanks RV
I can confirm that the RBRT or 6 point design would be great for what you are doing. I purchased the RBRt wrenches for working on our pressure washer engines (Honda gx390) and pumps. The pressure washer pumps have a lot of brass fasteners and parts, which will round out if you just look at them funny, lol. Because the machines are on the back of our trucks, and out in the elements (Florida weather), similar to your garden machines, a lot of the fasteners such as exhaust studs and so on are corroded and/or fused into/unto something else. I love the tight tolerances and 6 point wrench design, as well as the slip-resistant open end, they really bite and won't let go, where other wrench designs have or would have just rounded off and slipped right off. I do agree though, that for automotive use, working in tight engine bays and such, the 6 point design could be a pain, as you have less angles of approach in an already limited space.
Much like you said, the only time I needed a 6 point wrench(non RBRT) was on damaged bolts. Everything else gets 12 points box end. For wrenches at least. Sockets are obviously a different matter
I have a set of 6-point wrenches from gearwrench and don't use them much because it's harder to get them on the fastener and make adjustments. Mine don't have "RBRT" though which is another issue entirely - extracting a compromised fastener. I would think those "teeth" would mar the fastener and might make things a little worse, so these wrenches seem to be even more special purpose. The open-end might be more useful, but I'd probably not reach for the boxed ends often.
The Mac rbrt wrenches will not make it worse. They'll literally break the bolt or themselves before they let go, unless the bolt is already 100 percent round. Sure, they leave a couple of little lines on the fastener after using them, but it's a fastener down in an engine or under the car somewhere where no one is going to see nor care. So it doesn't matter. Unless your working on some lambos or something, in which case you wouldnt need the rbrt anyhow bc the bolts will be like new bc no one drives them in winter or rainy conditions and they keep them in a garage well maintained. Like these are for vehicles that are used every day, vehicles that probably have more scratches on the rims than you can count. A little mark on a 12mm bolt that is in a dark place under the car is literally not an issue.
@@GarenP I have snap on flank drive plus ratcheting wrenches that I mostly use. They have a 12 point ratcheting box end and their flank drive plus open end for gripping like the rbrt. But the rbrt grip better. It's rusty where I live so I end up using the rbrt alot.
There's a really good reason why the vast majority of combination wrenches have a 12-point box/ring end (US calls them box end, UK calls them ring end, I think they look more like a ring than a box!) - because they don't have a ratchet on them, so your angle of approach to the fastener is limited, and 12 points rather than 6 points gives you twice as many options. With the low torque you're applying to a hand tool, unless you're being naughty and putting cheater bars or extenders on it, 12-point shouldn't round out your fasteners.
A lot of DIYers have cheap stuff, and the cheap 12 point box ends round off anything. If we all bought Snap On, there may be a different attitude. I specifically bought the Tekton flex ratcheting wrenches in 6 point so I would have wrenches that could hold on to questionable fasteners. The flex and ratchet generally make it so space or angle is not a problem. But, I'm not using them everyday. It's a different world.
Ok, so what are the little stubby things to the top left corner of the wrench tray? I like 6 points for when I have to really put some oomph into something. Over the years, I’ve had issues with 12 point chewing up fasteners if not outright stripping them. Now, once upon a time, with ratchets and such only having 36 teeth, you had fewer options, angle wise which made 12 point more advantageous, admittedly I’m jumping back and forth between ratcheting and not. Now, plenty of times, you just don’t have room to use a 6 point, so 12 point it is.
@ they cross over size as well, so like they’re kinda like universal in the sense that it will fit on bolts or fasteners that the size doesn’t say it fits if it’s close, it’ll do it
@rvtechpro so they'll work on sae and metric most likely then? That'd be dope and save me alot of money lol. I saw some reviews saying they stripped fasteners with them but they were probably using the wrong wrench size I think
@@toraarhus-sarauer7805 I have both sets metric and SAE people have been using spline drive for many years on the Mountain wrench and all the variants out there including the tool truck ones except snap-on they made there own in a 12pt everyone else rebrands the Taiwan ones.
It’s funny I was trying to tighten a 7/8 brass fitting into a ball valve and the box end would not fit and the open end would. I thought I was crazy but this video makes me feel less crazy. Still tho, amazing wrenches
I'm the 6 point guy. I have 3 sets of 6 points, ratcheting and reversible, Mac that I use daily. I still have some 12 points just in case but I prefer my 6 points.
I've had more problems with 12 point destroying the head then not having access personally. And since I'm not rich I not going to have both. I get it for a wrench, but I find 12 point sockets just silly, I mean, you put it on a ratchet lol. I buy 6 point exclusively.
Yup we are talking about the wrenches in this video however 6 point socket wrenches are good but if I only had money to buy one set then it would have to be the 12 points due to versatility
MAC advertises all of there RBRT products as Daily drivers, on their website these wrenches are featured to be used on un damaged fasters ie daily driver im sure there are some "academically challenged" out there in UA-cam land (you know who you are) that will argue with that even when its stated on MAC TOOLS website but hey we still got a large group of people that still believe the earth is flat too so there is that.
I had a set of craftsman 6 point wrenches sae and metric and hardly ever use them. All my wrenches are 12 points. And If i ever need the use of 6 point I could always grab my impacts there all 6 point I have them in deeps and shallow.
I love RBRT but my mind is blown people think its ok for daily use. You use this technology on damaged fasters. You especially dont use it on fasteners that are visible in cosmetic areas as it will leave imprints in the fastener. You use RBRT on fasteners you are discarding. Not fasteners you are reinstalling.
Pretty sure you made this video just to piss people off everybody knows what the rbrt is for bro the moment you said that they’re for damage fasteners I would’ve said you are correct the moment you said they don’t make good daily. Wrenches I would’ve said you are correct, that’s about it bro. You can use six point use 12 point when you need to use 12 point and if you have a damage fastener use Rbrt. Your 12 point isn’t getting a rounded fastener off. You wasted your time making this video.
actually I make money off this video thanks to 'great' folks like you who can't resist to comment negatively on it, so thanks for helping the algorithm mate! Keep up the good work, Thanks for watching.
So you’re not a real mechanic you just go around making videos, with other peoples tools. Seriously that’s not how mechanics make money. I’m officially unsubscribed from your channel. Make better videos that are actually informative. Maybe I’ll join up again.
Heavy equipment mechanic in the Northeast, and with the rust up here a 12 point wrench or socket on a 6 point fastener is the fastest way to a rounded fastener. I have all sorts of 6 point wrenches, box, ratcheting, ratcheting flex head, line wrenches, and the Matco hex grip. I do have a set of Snap on flank drive plus but rarely use the box end to break fasteners free unless I have no other option. Since those RBRT wrenches came out they have been my go to in the service truck to break fasteners free and they have worked great for me, especially for holding a nut when its a nut and bolt situation. If I can I weld the new nut going back in so the next guy doesn't have to deal with that. I actually envy you for not having to deal with damaged or corroded fasteners, life much be so much easier. I really like you channel keep up the great work, wish you were up this way so I wouldn't have to work on my camper.
Thanks Will
Thanks man for the different perspective. As a mechanic and maintenance guy at work I encounter many fasteners that someone else has rounded and messed up the six point head, requiring a quality (for lack of a better thought) tool in order for me to get that fastener off. Many times it isn’t a fastener but instead it’s a hydraulic component that I can’t just run down the road and buy a new one, meaning I really need to remove and re-install it in order to finish my job and get the machine operator back to work. I can see the need (from my perspective) to really have both kinds of wrenches in my tool box. Thanks for taking the time to lend an alternative perspective for us to think about.
right on
I own multiple sets of 6 point combo wrenches and I use them quite often. I live in the rust belt and deal with mostly older cars. Sometimes, a 6 point wrench saves an awful lot of time. Yes, they're not my only set of wrenches, but they're certainly quite useful.
right on man
6 point box end combo wrenches definitely have there place in my tool boxes. I own various sets of combo wrenches...Craftsman, Snap-On, Gear Wrench and S•K. Craftsman's new Overdrive combo wrenches are great and have a 6 point box end with teeth on 3 sides of the box end. Snap-On is 12 point, S•K is 12 point box end.
You mention a very specific and accurate point. All the videos proclaiming these RBRT only show them turning damaged fasteners out in the open. Great catch.
thanks for watching
I agree with everything you said about six-point box end wrenches. There are certain situations where they’re great. For every day use, however, there are more downsides when compared to 12-point wrenches.
Right on Sir that was my main point it’s good but not for every day use for me at least
@@rvtechproalso, as soon as you put your finger in the Tekton six point ratcheting wrench, and flip the pawl, it doesn't move. You did it in front of your face, and said it moves. But it doesn't move. I am positive that you smoke crack.
Back in the 90's I worked in a union millwright fabrication shop so everything had to be made in U.S.A., most of the 40 guys in the shop had Craftsman tools. One day the oldest guy in the shop came walking over to me and asked me if I had a socket for this and he handed me a 12 point fastener, I grabbed a Craftsman 12pt out of my tool box and he thought I just handed him a moon rock. ;-) I'm a 12 point wrench and socket guy.
Right on man I like the RBRT wrenches but just not for every day because of the six point box
Out of curiosity, why do you prefer 12pt sockets?
@@fishkluch 🔧 wrenches
Sometimes in tight spots you don't have much room to move and 12 point works with hex fasteners and 12pt fasteners, some will say hex nuts and bolts get rounded off by 12pt fasteners yet I've never had this happen. @@fishkluch
@@fishkluchsometimes you’ve got to work in really tight spaces where you can’t turn the wrench enough to put a 6 point on it. A 12 point gives you that in between of each turn that a 6 point can’t always give you in tight spaces
I have a set of Proto six point wrenches and love them in automotive at least. They work great for suspension work, drain plugs, and stuff. A cramped engine bay or under dash not so much. For the tight area I use the matco flex head ratchet wrenches srfm102pa.
I appreciate you guys enlightening me about the existence of the six point wrenches my Air Force buddy showed me his set of snap on ones truly I’ve never seen them before did not know that was a thing
I personally will not give up my RBRT they have their place. There are there for that O crap moment. Not as a daily driver. Like most mechanics, i have more wrenches than i honestly need. Every size, every length, every shape for both SAE and Metric. My go to everyday wrench is Snap On 12 pt combination standard length wrenches. They get 75% of the work.
Fun fact, a while back i read a article stating that the average Technician owned 18 ratchets. I owned 18 ratchets in the 80s. At last count it was at 43 and i have picked up a few since then. Do not even ask about Snap On ratchets screwdrivers. Its not really my fault though, they offer way to many colors.
Im semi retired now, meaning i only work on jobs i choose to do.
Thanks for the video brother, i agree with everything except removing them. It only takes that one bolt or nut that requires that technology. Not much worse than knowing you have the proper tool but its at home.
Have a great day and a Merry Christmas.
right on man
Interesting and important perspective. Thanks for the opposite of a hot-take :) This is one of the reasons I sold my SK xFrame set, and why the GearWrench and other long-double-box-flex (i.e. Mountain competitors) that have a 6-point box are non-starters (not to mention I want a reverse switch and not have to flip them). Icon makes a great anti-slip design and has a 12-point box end.
Glad it was helpful!
Agreeing with your assessments. I find 6 point wrenches mostly helpful for breaking bolts loose, I have a few vintage Craftsman 6 point double box ends. I could see using the open end for final torque but you have the same issue of space and angle , unlike a 12 point box end. There would be situations where i would prefer the 6 point due to worn points on the fastener and/or from just soft metal fasteners.
Thanks for the tips!
One of the main things about using a 12 pt wrench is that it allows you to use the wrench on the fasteners in various angles, where as a 6pt is only going to give you a select amount or a specific angle. It is perfectly fine to use a 12 pt wrench/socket on a 6pt fastener. The only caveat is using them on a rounded or rusty fastener, it may, and I say may with an absolute meaning of slight, cause the head to round, but it could round even with a 6pt.
thanks for sharing
You are Correct. I Love my Precision Torque 12 pt and they are the best you will ever own!!! The 6 pt wrench is a Crazy gimmick
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100% agree with your logic, and I truly appreciate you sharing your wisdom! ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💰🚀🌛
thanks for watching
I daily the rbrt wrenches love the case. Road tech for fork lifts sometimes yes it becomes a issue. But for me it's rare and I also have a small 3/8 ratchet set along side me for those times
right on man
I barely know what a box end is, and I just bought double box end craftsman v series for cheap, and you verified what I have experienced when working with 6 point. But I do like the extended face.
right on man
Rounded Bolt Removal Technology (R.B.R.T.™) designed to prevent the rounding of hex fasteners. Tolerances are a bit tighter as well.
thanks for watching
I bought the Craftsman overdrive 6 points just for worn fasteners. That's some nice tools you have there.
thanks yeah those v series are nice but they dont sell them in my Lowes
Granted the RBRT has a more refined open end for better torque. (atleast to my knowledge, I have a USAG brand of the MAC RBRT but not precision torque, Im just going off the video you show.) But with most of your criticism revolving around the box end I'd have to agree with you on the fact of whats the point in using half of a tool at 100% (RBRT) when you can use all of a tool at 90% of the other (PT). Everyone has thier needs and this is a good informational video to inform buyers. Thanks for the video!
Thank you Mr. Keaton
Man just stumbled on this been checking out the rbrt set but I have had that very concern of the 6point it the automotive field for my personal experience if I’m grabbing a wrench it’s because nothing else will fit in that space and I need the 12 point to index in the best position possible. I think the open end would work well though. Thanks for the vid man appreciate an honest opinion.
Thanks for watching the open end is awesome the box end only good for if you have much room to turn
I use 6 point snap on wrenches daily..
My sockets are 6 point so why should my wrenches not be?
Right on 👍
There is a place for 6 point box end wrenches and sockets. These are designed for heavier duty work; suspension, steering components, drain plugs and the like. I can't begin to tell you how many times I've seen damaged/rounded heads because someone consistently used a 12 point socket or wrench especially on oil pan drain plugs.
Having said that, the flank drive plus, RBT, Wright grip wrenches have their place in removing rounded/damaged bolts that won't otherwise come loose. I own the Wright Grip wrenches for this purpose and they have served me well.
The twelve point box end is convenient; little doubt about that. However, if a bolt/nut is in a critical position or large in size, I need to be sure it will come loose/tighten without damage, its time for the 6 point tool. I own complete sets of 6 and 12 point sockets and wrenches for this reason.
thanks for watching
I agree with this man’s sentiments 💯 about 6 point combo wrenches. Only time I want a six point combination wrench is to break a stubborn janky bolt loose. Oddly I have some 6 point Mac box end wrenches my 94 year old grandpa bought in his youth. So 6 point box end been around forever lol
right on man
I use Mac Reversible 6pt Ratcheting Wrenches as my daily driver's. I do have a set of Mac 12pt Flex head ratcheting wrenches but i find having a switch to change the direction is easier to work with than having to change the angle of the head to change direction but they each have their use.
right on man
Snap on do make 6 point spanners, my snap on rep sold a set not too long ago. I thought of getting them for rounded or seized bolts as I mainly work on garden/ green machines so 9/10 fasteners are rusted, seized, rounded or just fucked up. I think for myself these RBRT spanners would be great as tight access isn't really an issue, most machines are pretty open and naked by design. I don't think these were ever a daily use spanner but still nice to have as a back up I think. thanks RV
Right on 👍
I can confirm that the RBRT or 6 point design would be great for what you are doing. I purchased the RBRt wrenches for working on our pressure washer engines (Honda gx390) and pumps. The pressure washer pumps have a lot of brass fasteners and parts, which will round out if you just look at them funny, lol. Because the machines are on the back of our trucks, and out in the elements (Florida weather), similar to your garden machines, a lot of the fasteners such as exhaust studs and so on are corroded and/or fused into/unto something else. I love the tight tolerances and 6 point wrench design, as well as the slip-resistant open end, they really bite and won't let go, where other wrench designs have or would have just rounded off and slipped right off. I do agree though, that for automotive use, working in tight engine bays and such, the 6 point design could be a pain, as you have less angles of approach in an already limited space.
Much like you said, the only time I needed a 6 point wrench(non RBRT) was on damaged bolts. Everything else gets 12 points box end. For wrenches at least. Sockets are obviously a different matter
correct
It all depends on the field you're in. I've been in shops you only use 6 point and I've been in shops with only 12s it depends on use case.
Right on man
I have a set of 6-point wrenches from gearwrench and don't use them much because it's harder to get them on the fastener and make adjustments. Mine don't have "RBRT" though which is another issue entirely - extracting a compromised fastener. I would think those "teeth" would mar the fastener and might make things a little worse, so these wrenches seem to be even more special purpose. The open-end might be more useful, but I'd probably not reach for the boxed ends often.
The Mac rbrt wrenches will not make it worse. They'll literally break the bolt or themselves before they let go, unless the bolt is already 100 percent round. Sure, they leave a couple of little lines on the fastener after using them, but it's a fastener down in an engine or under the car somewhere where no one is going to see nor care. So it doesn't matter. Unless your working on some lambos or something, in which case you wouldnt need the rbrt anyhow bc the bolts will be like new bc no one drives them in winter or rainy conditions and they keep them in a garage well maintained. Like these are for vehicles that are used every day, vehicles that probably have more scratches on the rims than you can count. A little mark on a 12mm bolt that is in a dark place under the car is literally not an issue.
@@Trolldaddy5 Good info and perspective, do you use them a lot or as your "daily driver"?
@@GarenP I have snap on flank drive plus ratcheting wrenches that I mostly use. They have a 12 point ratcheting box end and their flank drive plus open end for gripping like the rbrt. But the rbrt grip better. It's rusty where I live so I end up using the rbrt alot.
thanks for watching
I have alot of 12 point sockets and box wrenches, but living here in the rust belt is why I also have a whole second set of 6 point sockets.
yessir love those 6 point sockets
Are these wrenches good for extractions . Maybe a supplemental add on ? If that makes sense
yes thats what they are for damage bolts ect thanks for watching
@rvtechpro thanks for the response
The craftsman V- series is the same wrench set with 13 point. Riley those out. Same case too. Great for travel.
Thanks for the info!
This was very helpful, thank you !
@@danielgeng2306 right on man
There's a really good reason why the vast majority of combination wrenches have a 12-point box/ring end (US calls them box end, UK calls them ring end, I think they look more like a ring than a box!) - because they don't have a ratchet on them, so your angle of approach to the fastener is limited, and 12 points rather than 6 points gives you twice as many options. With the low torque you're applying to a hand tool, unless you're being naughty and putting cheater bars or extenders on it, 12-point shouldn't round out your fasteners.
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How about a 6pt box combination wrench for old rusty fasteners?
Awesome… preferably the RBRT ones “seriously they get er’ done on that stuff
Why does S/O make 6pt combination wrenches? @@rvtechpro
I used to have a set of USA made craftsman wrenches that were 6 point. They worked well. Also sk has a set of ratcheting 6 pt wrenches
right on man
I run rbrt a lot but I work on mostly semi trailers in the oil field
Right on man
Good information here again different industries different perspectives love it!
Where is it made?
🇹🇼 Taiwan
A lot of DIYers have cheap stuff, and the cheap 12 point box ends round off anything. If we all bought Snap On, there may be a different attitude. I specifically bought the Tekton flex ratcheting wrenches in 6 point so I would have wrenches that could hold on to questionable fasteners. The flex and ratchet generally make it so space or angle is not a problem.
But, I'm not using them everyday. It's a different world.
right on man
Ok, so what are the little stubby things to the top left corner of the wrench tray?
I like 6 points for when I have to really put some oomph into something. Over the years, I’ve had issues with 12 point chewing up fasteners if not outright stripping them. Now, once upon a time, with ratchets and such only having 36 teeth, you had fewer options, angle wise which made 12 point more advantageous, admittedly I’m jumping back and forth between ratcheting and not. Now, plenty of times, you just don’t have room to use a 6 point, so 12 point it is.
thanks for watching Ill have to watch the vid again to see what you are referring to
Whats your opinion on spline wrenches?
good my mountain wrenches are spline drive
@rvtechpro I ordered a set of Matcos spline drive combo wrenches and was just wondering. I have high hopes
@ they cross over size as well, so like they’re kinda like universal in the sense that it will fit on bolts or fasteners that the size doesn’t say it fits if it’s close, it’ll do it
@rvtechpro so they'll work on sae and metric most likely then? That'd be dope and save me alot of money lol. I saw some reviews saying they stripped fasteners with them but they were probably using the wrong wrench size I think
@@toraarhus-sarauer7805 I have both sets metric and SAE people have been using spline drive for many years on the Mountain wrench and all the variants out there including the tool truck ones except snap-on they made there own in a 12pt everyone else rebrands the Taiwan ones.
It’s funny I was trying to tighten a 7/8 brass fitting into a ball valve and the box end would not fit and the open end would. I thought I was crazy but this video makes me feel less crazy. Still tho, amazing wrenches
that happens a lot with those
@@rvtechpro never happened with my standard 12 point wrenches, don’t start happening until I picked up rbrt
*didnt
What set would you recommend a daily driver
any 12 point wrench set
Commenting on the video for the algorithm
Right on
I only have six point combination wrenches.
right on man
I'm the 6 point guy. I have 3 sets of 6 points, ratcheting and reversible, Mac that I use daily. I still have some 12 points just in case but I prefer my 6 points.
@@HarleySLA right on brother
Correct ,thank you
You’re welcome 😊
I've had more problems with 12 point destroying the head then not having access personally. And since I'm not rich I not going to have both. I get it for a wrench, but I find 12 point sockets just silly, I mean, you put it on a ratchet lol. I buy 6 point exclusively.
Yup we are talking about the wrenches in this video however 6 point socket wrenches are good but if I only had money to buy one set then it would have to be the 12 points due to versatility
MAC advertises all of there RBRT products as Daily drivers, on their website these wrenches are featured to be used on un damaged fasters ie daily driver im sure there are some "academically challenged" out there in UA-cam land (you know who you are) that will argue with that even when its stated on MAC TOOLS website but hey we still got a large group of people that still believe the earth is flat too so there is that.
Subbed,good information.👍🇺🇸💪
Thanks for the sub!
You shouldn't use 12 points on seized 6 point fasteners, other than that it doesn't matter
red lock tight is not good for non permanent connections
@rvtechpro What? Where in anything that I had said did it have anything to do with Locktite?
I had a set of craftsman 6 point wrenches sae and metric and hardly ever use them. All my wrenches are 12 points. And If i ever need the use of 6 point I could always grab my impacts there all 6 point I have them in deeps and shallow.
thanks for sharing
The Mac RBRT wrenches has one the tighter tolerances for wrenches.
sweet
I think it would make for a good junkyard set,
It is perfect junkyard set. Especially in the rust belt. You use RBRT on fasteners you are discarding. Not fasteners you are reinstalling.
@@pedaltheglobe419 yup
nice idea
@@pedaltheglobe419 You can use them on non rounded bolts and re use the bolt it does nothing to damage the bolt head Id know i use them every day
I love RBRT but my mind is blown people think its ok for daily use. You use this technology on damaged fasters. You especially dont use it on fasteners that are visible in cosmetic areas as it will leave imprints in the fastener. You use RBRT on fasteners you are discarding. Not fasteners you are reinstalling.
thanks for sharing
Obviously the 6 point has its place depending on the geographics.
correct
send to me if you don’t want the 6 points wrenches 😂
they are good for what they are for as an extraction tool just not a daily driver for me
UA-cam is getting bad about the “performance” side of tools vs the practicality of tool designs. Ill stick with my snap on and wright
Right on man thanks for watching
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thanks for watching
Nope, you're right. 6-point box ends are very useless most of the time
thanks for watching
I can't use these bc I work on planes 🤓
Please elaborate
@@rvtechpro planes use 12pt fasteners for more accurate torquing
Aircraft are majority 12point (bi hex) fastners
ohh never knew
Pretty sure you made this video just to piss people off everybody knows what the rbrt is for bro the moment you said that they’re for damage fasteners I would’ve said you are correct the moment you said they don’t make good daily. Wrenches I would’ve said you are correct, that’s about it bro. You can use six point use 12 point when you need to use 12 point and if you have a damage fastener use Rbrt. Your 12 point isn’t getting a rounded fastener off. You wasted your time making this video.
actually I make money off this video thanks to 'great' folks like you who can't resist to comment negatively on it, so thanks for helping the algorithm mate! Keep up the good work, Thanks for watching.
So you’re not a real mechanic you just go around making videos, with other peoples tools. Seriously that’s not how mechanics make money. I’m officially unsubscribed from your channel. Make better videos that are actually informative. Maybe I’ll join up again.