Love the video, keep it up! l detailed analysis, clear explaination, and awesome vidoe production, 26 minutes is not enough :) look forward to the podcasts with the pros
Grabbed a bsod this year, ride all over the mountain, groomers, powder trying a new style of board this year. Atlas or forces? I’m torn. Stiffness according to the site is only one off each other, I’m old and still like comfort as well
I totally agree that if you are riding a stiffer board with fairly stiff boots the new Force seems to be a very good choice. I have some Atlas and Force pairs and tend to prefer the Force. If you like to pop a few tricks here and there the Force is a better choice than the Atlas. More overall lateral give and softer, more compact highbacks. The Atlas are great for pure freeride, carving and pow but personally when I want to hit a few jumps here and there on resort runs I go with the Force.
Hey Mr. Fawcett, I not only followed your racing career but patterned my riding style after yours. Your assements matter for the next gen...and old sckool riders who are not done progressing yet. Looking for a really damp binding to put on my Nitro Beast 62 paired with Nitro Team TLS boots - the new Union Force or Burton Cartel X (reflex)? Or something other else - thoughts?
Ok wonder what your guys take is on which is closest to Burton malavitas? Have a GNU RC and GNU hyper with Burton malavitas and love the comfort and heel hold but feel I’m stuck between mounting positions one being a touch narrow and get kicked around in slush snow and get a touch of lower back ache and the next position is good and stable on board but just a bit bow legged and loss of mobility. So seeking something with similar comfort but more width adjustment. I’m told the strata is the malavita of union with even more response (especially toe side) which sounds good to me but curious your thoughts on best match up to those boards. Looking at strata or new force although the full disc has me questioning vs Burton re flex, maybe the falcor too since same rated stiffness as force but mini disc however all reviews seem to make it sound much stiffer and aggressive than rated and also looking at bent metal transfer or other recommendations. Not a park rider and like all day cruising through the trees in pow. Thoughts?
@@GEB-yy3ud well the malavitas have autocant so I guess theoretically they use canting as you go wider. I bought the strata’s and bent metal transfers and I’m just going to test both this season to see what I prefer. Maybe even discover I’m ok with the wider stance of the malavitas but I think I’m going to like the touch narrower that the strata and transfers allow.
I am huge malavita fan. I here that burton will be discontinue next year. What have you found as a malavita replacement? I might buy a spare malavita for the reserves.
@@ShanQueefus I tried the strata’s for two and a half trips (one half trip was back to back vs BM transfers and fatigue with the strata was noticeable right away) and have no clue what people are talking about being cushioned and damp. The pad may look big and cushy but the frame crosses the heel internally and it has zero padding there just a strip of rubber over plastic essentially so every heel dig to scrub speed over chopping goes straight to the knees. The malavitas with the EVA and gel pad work way better and knees weren’t nearly as fatigued at the end of the day IMO. Switched to the BM transfers and so far I’m really liking them. It’s weird some say they’re soft others say they’re stiff and responsive. I’d say the highback and frame feel flexy by hand without the drive plate in and the drive plate itself feels flexy but then when ridden it’s still a responsive binding, seems to have good cushion but I have not compared back to back vs malavitas but I will say the toe strap is probably my favorite of all so far, just seems to mold to the boot and grip well. The ankle strap is also very comfortable I’d say equal with the malavitas ankle. I think I’m going to stay on the BM but two others I’d wish I’d tried are the union ultra or rome katana. The ultra with the frame cutouts in the heel area and toe look much more similar to a Burton binding to me and a better malavita match than the strata.
How does the new Force compare to the Bent Metal Transfer? Mini disk VS regular disk, dampness, response? I'm looking for a binding for the Banked Country/Gnu Hyper. Love these videos you are making! I learn alot from these breakdowns about tech! Cheers!!
Just got the Forces to pair with my NS proto synthesis and heading to Breck on friday. They're getting a few inches between now and then so it should be pretty epic conditions. Can't wait to try the combo coming from an Rossi One LF with Cuda's which were pretty meh and super heavy.
Hey guys, loved the review Stuck between ultra's and new force's, to match a GNU Riders Choice C2, for all mountain/a bit of freestyle, mainly jumps, carving, general resort riding what do you think? do you have any boots recommendations? thanks for your time.
Shane says Ultra! , Fawcett says Force!! haha , both are honestly great. As for boots , we have been big Fans of the Vans INfuse , 32 TM2 , and Burton Photons ..... thanks for watching !
Great review but still torn. Would you recommend the new Force or Atlas to pair with a YES. Standard? I need to replace my current Strata’s due to minidisc not being compatible with the slamback inserts.
Check out the Ankle straps on the two choices - that's where we see people making the decision .... both are great - Atlas for the real responsive feel!
Honestly don't care if the forward lean is quickly adjustable, I don't mind using a screwdriver for it as I pretty much set it to the forward lean I like, and then leave it for the rest of eternity. I've been enjoying my neon yellow strata's from a few years back, the've been the best bindings I've ever owned, easy/quick to get into, good responsiveness and dampening compared to my previous bindings, and will likely stick with a pair of Unions when I need a replacement.
Thanks guys, I'm definitely going with the ultra for my awesome new Jamie Lynn deck. I'm a powder snob so I like a little cushion when it's not powder.
If you would recommend a Union Bindinh to someone coming from a Burton Step On, what would be it? I like the responsiveness of the Step On and I'm an all mountain freeride guy.
Been using a custom with EST vitas, grabbed a BSOD + Indoor and a set of Forces and Atlas pros. Do I use the EST screws or the Camber disk screws when using the Unions on the burton custom channel?
What would you reccomend for a "Yes Dicey 2020-2021" New Force, Ultra or Strata. I am mainly riding on groomed slopes. My level is beginner-intermediate.
Hi guys. Loved the video! Thinking of pairing either a union force or ultra with a mountain twin jones board.. what do you guys think? force vs ultra :S
im the same way. an adjustable highback would make these a no brainer for me. Im wondering if i can just drill some holes in the highback and make one myself
Mark, I have a pair/set(?) of old Atlas from 5+ years ago that I had to phase out because it was such a jarring ride on harder snow. You mention in the video that the new Atlas/Atlas Pro are really damp. Is that a new thing for this year or am I just remembering the ride really poorly?
Looking for a binding to suit my Yes Standard Uninc. This Union Force '24 keeps coming up. (I have Flow Fuse Hybrids now). Would this binding be a good fit or are other bindings better suited or maybe go with a Union Force Classic?
We Feel the upgrades on the New Force are totally worth the extra cost - go there if you can afford it! If money is of issue, the Classic is a great choice!
I’ve been riding the older Cartels (now the cartel X) for the last 10 years. Just picked up a Libtech Rig. How would these pair with that board or should I just stick with the binding I know? Love the videos!
Now select pro. I have the board and all of them. Atlas has no cushion and force lacks response. Select pro is more comfy than force and with more reponse than atlas.
Hey Guys, Just ordered a 2025 mega death and need binding recommendations for someone who loves to go hard but also rides with the family. I weigh about 97kg, considering the force but have also been recommended the Atlas. Can you help?
I'm having a hard time making up my mind between the 2024 Union force or the 2024 Union. Please help this is my second season I consider myself in between beginner and intermediate I'm a guy who likes to do freestyle but also bomb the mountain. I will be using It on a 2024 Nitro prime view board which is like a medium flex. Thanks in advance who gives the time to respond to me
When it comes to snow gear/equipment, the women always get better colors, better graphics, and overall cooler stuff than the men. To the point it bothers me. Seriously, what is up with that?
Love the video, keep it up! l detailed analysis, clear explaination, and awesome vidoe production, 26 minutes is not enough :) look forward to the podcasts with the pros
Thanks for the Kind words and Support!!
Get a room with those bindings.
Love the forward lean delete on the Ultras 🔥
Exactly the video I needed!
Yea boys, glad to see a deep dive
Grabbed a bsod this year, ride all over the mountain, groomers, powder trying a new style of board this year. Atlas or forces? I’m torn. Stiffness according to the site is only one off each other, I’m old and still like comfort as well
These should be great for me considering I haven't bought bindings since the 1999/2000 season (which were Ride bindings).
I totally agree that if you are riding a stiffer board with fairly stiff boots the new Force seems to be a very good choice. I have some Atlas and Force pairs and tend to prefer the Force. If you like to pop a few tricks here and there the Force is a better choice than the Atlas. More overall lateral give and softer, more compact highbacks. The Atlas are great for pure freeride, carving and pow but personally when I want to hit a few jumps here and there on resort runs I go with the Force.
Hey Mr. Fawcett, I not only followed your racing career but patterned my riding style after yours. Your assements matter for the next gen...and old sckool riders who are not done progressing yet.
Looking for a really damp binding to put on my Nitro Beast 62 paired with Nitro Team TLS boots - the new Union Force or Burton Cartel X (reflex)? Or something other else - thoughts?
Ok wonder what your guys take is on which is closest to Burton malavitas? Have a GNU RC and GNU hyper with Burton malavitas and love the comfort and heel hold but feel I’m stuck between mounting positions one being a touch narrow and get kicked around in slush snow and get a touch of lower back ache and the next position is good and stable on board but just a bit bow legged and loss of mobility. So seeking something with similar comfort but more width adjustment. I’m told the strata is the malavita of union with even more response (especially toe side) which sounds good to me but curious your thoughts on best match up to those boards. Looking at strata or new force although the full disc has me questioning vs Burton re flex, maybe the falcor too since same rated stiffness as force but mini disc however all reviews seem to make it sound much stiffer and aggressive than rated and also looking at bent metal transfer or other recommendations. Not a park rider and like all day cruising through the trees in pow. Thoughts?
When you go wider do you use canted bindings? I'm 6ft and love the slight can't on my Katanas. Helps me feel less bow legged. Stay rad.
@@GEB-yy3ud well the malavitas have autocant so I guess theoretically they use canting as you go wider. I bought the strata’s and bent metal transfers and I’m just going to test both this season to see what I prefer. Maybe even discover I’m ok with the wider stance of the malavitas but I think I’m going to like the touch narrower that the strata and transfers allow.
I am huge malavita fan. I here that burton will be discontinue next year. What have you found as a malavita replacement? I might buy a spare malavita for the reserves.
@@ShanQueefus I tried the strata’s for two and a half trips (one half trip was back to back vs BM transfers and fatigue with the strata was noticeable right away) and have no clue what people are talking about being cushioned and damp. The pad may look big and cushy but the frame crosses the heel internally and it has zero padding there just a strip of rubber over plastic essentially so every heel dig to scrub speed over chopping goes straight to the knees. The malavitas with the EVA and gel pad work way better and knees weren’t nearly as fatigued at the end of the day IMO. Switched to the BM transfers and so far I’m really liking them. It’s weird some say they’re soft others say they’re stiff and responsive. I’d say the highback and frame feel flexy by hand without the drive plate in and the drive plate itself feels flexy but then when ridden it’s still a responsive binding, seems to have good cushion but I have not compared back to back vs malavitas but I will say the toe strap is probably my favorite of all so far, just seems to mold to the boot and grip well. The ankle strap is also very comfortable I’d say equal with the malavitas ankle. I think I’m going to stay on the BM but two others I’d wish I’d tried are the union ultra or rome katana. The ultra with the frame cutouts in the heel area and toe look much more similar to a Burton binding to me and a better malavita match than the strata.
The guy casually snowboarding a tree. 😱
Union are thebest, i still rocking an orange contact bindings from 2011, they are amazing, no fault whatsoever !
How does the new Force compare to the Bent Metal Transfer? Mini disk VS regular disk, dampness, response?
I'm looking for a binding for the Banked Country/Gnu Hyper.
Love these videos you are making! I learn alot from these breakdowns about tech!
Cheers!!
Just got the Forces to pair with my NS proto synthesis and heading to Breck on friday. They're getting a few inches between now and then so it should be pretty epic conditions. Can't wait to try the combo coming from an Rossi One LF with Cuda's which were pretty meh and super heavy.
which ones would you throw on a k2 excavator? I had the falcors, but they were a little too stiff for me
Hey guys, loved the review
Stuck between ultra's and new force's, to match a GNU Riders Choice C2, for all mountain/a bit of freestyle, mainly jumps, carving, general resort riding
what do you think? do you have any boots recommendations? thanks for your time.
Shane says Ultra! , Fawcett says Force!! haha , both are honestly great.
As for boots , we have been big Fans of the Vans INfuse , 32 TM2 , and Burton Photons ..... thanks for watching !
Great review but still torn. Would you recommend the new Force or Atlas to pair with a YES. Standard? I need to replace my current Strata’s due to minidisc not being compatible with the slamback inserts.
Check out the Ankle straps on the two choices - that's where we see people making the decision .... both are great - Atlas for the real responsive feel!
Honestly don't care if the forward lean is quickly adjustable, I don't mind using a screwdriver for it as I pretty much set it to the forward lean I like, and then leave it for the rest of eternity. I've been enjoying my neon yellow strata's from a few years back, the've been the best bindings I've ever owned, easy/quick to get into, good responsiveness and dampening compared to my previous bindings, and will likely stick with a pair of Unions when I need a replacement.
Thanks guys, I'm definitely going with the ultra for my awesome new Jamie Lynn deck. I'm a powder snob so I like a little cushion when it's not powder.
Turd!!! Great Choice man!
Nice review. Will you be doing a review of the new 25 Falcor?
@@matthiashufschmid9372 its coming up in the Top Bindings Episode :)
If you would recommend a Union Bindinh to someone coming from a Burton Step On, what would be it? I like the responsiveness of the Step On and I'm an all mountain freeride guy.
Been using a custom with EST vitas, grabbed a BSOD + Indoor and a set of Forces and Atlas pros. Do I use the EST screws or the Camber disk screws when using the Unions on the burton custom channel?
What would you reccomend for a "Yes Dicey 2020-2021" New Force, Ultra or Strata. I am mainly riding on groomed slopes. My level is beginner-intermediate.
Hi guys. Loved the video! Thinking of pairing either a union force or ultra with a mountain twin jones board.. what do you guys think? force vs ultra :S
Thanks for rewie! Did your ride fix binding? Peak + or magnum. And what you think about it in comparison with force 23
Just not sure on the fixed forward lean in the ultras
im the same way. an adjustable highback would make these a no brainer for me. Im wondering if i can just drill some holes in the highback and make one myself
Aggg strata or ultra? I like the way you can change the highback setup on the strata but in the end you prefer the ultra mmm
@@eigusteeen go ULTRA !
Mark,
I have a pair/set(?) of old Atlas from 5+ years ago that I had to phase out because it was such a jarring ride on harder snow.
You mention in the video that the new Atlas/Atlas Pro are really damp. Is that a new thing for this year or am I just remembering the ride really poorly?
I know you didn’t ask me but I’ll add my $0.02. Way better straps on the new ones.
No cushion on the new ones. Good for pow or if you are young
Looking for a binding to suit my Yes Standard Uninc. This Union Force '24 keeps coming up. (I have Flow Fuse Hybrids now).
Would this binding be a good fit or are other bindings better suited or maybe go with a Union Force Classic?
We Feel the upgrades on the New Force are totally worth the extra cost - go there if you can afford it! If money is of issue, the Classic is a great choice!
I’ve been riding the older Cartels (now the cartel X) for the last 10 years. Just picked up a Libtech Rig. How would these pair with that board or should I just stick with the binding I know? Love the videos!
absolutely recommend adding these to that board ! we have seen a few of that combo out the door here!
I have the white ones, unfortunately a lot of parts break and become loose within 7 rides😭
would the new union forces pair well with the PYL Uninc?
Do all the union bindings come with some degree of Cant ?
Anyone?😂
Yes 3 degrees
Would you guys recommend the ultra, atlas, or force for the aeronaut? Gonna be my quiver killer setup.
Go Force - its the middle of those 3 choices!
@@Riders_Lounge dope, thanks! Awesome content as usual 🤙🏽
I'm tied between Force and Atlas at the moment, can you advise which way to go? I'm pairing them with a YES DCP PYL UnInc, Thanks!
Now select pro. I have the board and all of them. Atlas has no cushion and force lacks response. Select pro is more comfy than force and with more reponse than atlas.
Hey Guys,
Just ordered a 2025 mega death and need binding recommendations for someone who loves to go hard but also rides with the family.
I weigh about 97kg, considering the force but have also been recommended the Atlas.
Can you help?
Slightly different dampening and response types with those two - Atlas for sure if you are looking for increase in stiffness and response!
Have you checked out the new hovercraft split?
Yes - That epi is in the Works!
@@Riders_Loungeis it an upgrade over the 1.0? Let me know and I’ll hit add to cart!
Oh yea it is!!! @@jeffstewart4162
got my first union forces last year, there is a big dead spot, but I will shred them to infinity... overall reliable and enjoyable... cheers
Stuck between the t rice falcons and the new forces. Anyone got an opinion on tvaf
This is a great review
great in-depth, loved it. Was very surprised to see the Strata below the ultra. Would have thought the strata was the softest on the lineup.
New Force or Atlas to paid with the new megadeath ?
Which of the Union lineup would you put on a Korua Transition? By the way, these are the best vids I've found for snowboarding, appreciate you guys!
A couple of our team guys ride the T. finder! One uses Atlas and the other is on this New Force Binding
Thanks!@@Riders_Lounge
Love the atlas on my pencil
Classic eyeroll 🙄 @6:13
How did you guys come up with the name tribute?
we have a 20th anniversary and mini doc coming out soon! check that and it will make sense ! thanks for the support!
I'm having a hard time making up my mind between the 2024 Union force or the 2024 Union. Please help this is my second season I consider myself in between beginner and intermediate I'm a guy who likes to do freestyle but also bomb the mountain. I will be using It on a 2024 Nitro prime view board which is like a medium flex.
Thanks in advance who gives the time to respond to me
The Force might be a bit stiff - look at the Strata or Ultra !
@@Riders_Lounge ended up getting the 2023 Strada. Thanks 4 advice.
So, did Shane like the Ultra or not?
😆
No Strata?
Legacy is on the table, the guys mention that it is an equivalent to Strata
When it comes to snow gear/equipment, the women always get better colors, better graphics, and overall cooler stuff than the men. To the point it bothers me.
Seriously, what is up with that?
So would this go well with my Rome Service Dog 2024? 5 Flex, Pow/All mtn board
Get force, still a bit surfy.
Or better yet Rome Vice. They make amazing bindings
Yes for sure - that would be a killer set up!
Guys, please will you review the new 24 Ejack (with spoon nose). 🏂 love tribute
Hopefully Mervin will send us one - we would love to review it !