It does happen fast. You nailed it with "it's important for everybody to pay attention". Many thanks for watching! 🙂
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I worked at a coal fired power plant for 12 years. We always had massive Manitowoc cranes in there. The precision of the operator setting the load, blind sometimes, blew me away. Nothing but respect for crane operators.
Almost chilling when you consider the fact that we spent some time talking about dropping loads yesterday on the live stream. Thankfully everyone was out of the way and the other lifting lugs held up. Thanks for the safety reminder Jimmy! I might have to use this one in one of the safety meetings that we have at work.
It's crazy to think that I have gone through my entire career up to now without lugs breaking away. We talk about it on a livestream, and the very next day it happens. I think someone jinxed me. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Great demonstration in real-time what can happen in a heartbeat on a job! Much respect for you Jimmy, performing this work daily and keeping everyone safe. Keep up the good work my friend. Doug@ the "ranch"
These some of the best videos of operating, and what operators do on a daily basis. Great work, been out of it for 14 years do to taking Manager job for maintenance in the steel mills and mining industry, and just getting back to it in a 3275 link belt.
Jimmy Excellent video of the possibilities that can happen, I hope anyone affiliated with crane, boom truck , track or backhoe, and also a farm tractor with a front end scoop. The operator, like you is totally not a fault and someone could have been badly injured. Many people dont understand what might happen Thanks for the video
Thankfully, it doesn't happen very often. But there is an enormous sense of relief when it's over, and you realize everyone's safe, and it wasn't your fault!
Good video to share around the crane community, if the vessel was old and had been in place for some time the big question would be were the lifting points inspected , I assume those are new tanks inspection would fall on quality of the welding, you did a great job keeping it low from the ground. One big positive from my perspective is the crane or the rigging didn’t fail but the actual welds on the load failed . Great job
They were old tanks that were being removed. We did inspect the pick points. After they tore out, it appeared that the penetration of the welds wasn't adequate. Keeping the load low, and maintaining a radius that afforded me a capacity of twice that of the load, definitely reduced the effects on the crane. Whenever I am tailing pieces with the auxiliary, I always keep it low and set myself up for as much safety margin as possible. Many thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane Could have been that they used the wrong grade of welding supplies. Like using 6013 where 6010 or 6011 should have been used. You'll get a nice looking weld with the 6013 but unless done right, there won't be much in the way of penetration.
Even though they were engineer picking points you had them hooked to your whip line. Which isn't a straight up and down pull which puts more pressure on the bottom pick points. Good job on keeping it low though. We've set hundreds tanks that's why we always.have assist crane.
Thank you! I always try to set things up to be as safe as possible. This line of work is a calculated risk everyday. The key is to minimize the risks as much as possible. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
The tank was on the ground and rigging had traveled at least 10 to 15 ft before the guys had time to react. Good reminder to never become complacent on the job site. Tanks rot from the inside hard to tell from the outside. Glad all are safe.
That an awful feeling, it has happened to me while winching a rusty old 1ton pickup out of a deep ravine. The frame was so rotten one of my two hook points tore clean off the frame. My calculated load was near WLL for two 3/8 wire ropes. (Estimated 8k pull @nearly 90deg lift). Had to set it back down in the hole and start over. Glad WLL is 4:1
I didn't like where the onlookers were standing. If you don't need to be close, don't be. Don't stand where you can get pinched between the load and another obstacle. Especially with a tank that can roll. Give yourself somewhere to go. Watch the load and be ready to move. Some people freeze when something goes wrong so they need to be out of range.
Yep. Standing between the skid loader and the tank was a bad idea. Always have an obstacle free exit path when possible. Sometimes you don't have a choice like when working in cramped quarters. Which often was my case. Exit path was up so minimum time in the hole was always the best.
You don't want to be anywhere the load can go. If you draw a line from the ground through the load to the boom you don't want to be there. That is what tag lines are for. When I connected iron we would be close to that line and only got in it when the first end of a beam was at least on a spud wrench, and getting a bolt into it. The guy on the other end was out side the line until he spudded and bolted. My crane operator would swing just a little bit so we could get to the choker to cut it loose without being in the line.
@@ToTheTopCrane Jimmy, I took part in pushing cranes way past what should have been. The operator was very good. Dragging the ball to a beam that the welding truck could not pull to the crane got a building put up. Question; Would you slack a choker on a bean that was hanging on 4 spud wrenches so you could lift up a bag of bolts so we could put the building together?
Thanks for sharing that life lesson:-) The winch ticking just doesn't quite give it that dramatic build up music when you know something bad is about to happen At least you weren't on a fishing boat looking for great whites :-):-)
And this is why tag lines are important if the load can swing. To keep people out of any area where the load would fall and yet still control the movement of the load. What did the weld inspection show? Failure due to undersized welds or corrosion in the welds weakening the welds? Or were the tanks shot to the point that the inside of the tanks had eaten through to the point that it was the base metal that gave way? Or was it just a case of the original engineering of the lug location wasn't in the proper place? Sadly, something like that happening isn't that rare and in my case, would have meant hours of report writing including whether I had inspected the lift points before the lift was done. Luckily I never had anything fall in over 20 years of using cranes and now have been out of the need to worry about that for the past 16 years. 3 years before retirement, an overhead crane fell at another work location other than my main ones. 6 months later we had to take an inspection course on all types of cranes and lifts such that if we were anywhere within our agency's coverage area and work, that we could shut down the job if we saw anything that was not correct until it was corrected. Safety is Job ONE!
Bet you're glad the top two didn't let go. Looks like someone dropped the ball welding the taps on the tank. Glad it wasn't worse. Thanks for the video.
Most definitely a check/change your shorts moment. At least the lifting lugs held and the top of the tank didn't come down on part of the crane or you.
Anytime I am two-lining anything, I keep it as low as possible. For this very reason. I also keep it as close to me as I feel comfortable. That way I have as much capacity as possible. Many thanks for watching. 🙂
did the welds actually break or did the lugs pull out of the shell? if the entire lug pulls out of the shell itself thats not weld failure ---that would be material failure and a UT of the area should have been done beforehand ----that would be on the owner---------------------love your videos sir
I think it got everyone's heart rate up. Lol. Luckily, my pants were fine too. 🤣. Hope you have a great and safe week as well. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Calm is the only way to be in a crane. Even when things happen. Keeping a clear head makes a difference. Many thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂
Retracting the boom would cause the main block (with four parts of line) to lower four times slower than the auxiliary. I also still had a load on the crane. So, the best solution would be to lower both simultaneously. However, there was a 60 foot boom lift on site. So, a person just went up in it and got the lines straightened out.
Unfortunately this is a real world demonstration of what we were talking about just last night on the live stream with dynamic loading and the dangers of being under a load.
Yes, yes it is. It's also crazy that I have gone my entire career without torn out lifting lugs. Then someone brings up dynamic loading....and it happens the very next day. On the plus side, no one was hurt and nothing was damaged. Keeping the bottom of the tank within 4-6 inches of the ground, definitely reduced the effects. I also made sure that I kept a radius that gave me a capacity of almost twice what the load weighed. So, the effects on the crane were much less than what it could've been. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
You’re a great OP, thankfully no one tried to untwist the whip around the main, because obvious reasons like the main cable could of took some stress, Or the other connections on top could of been as bad as the bottom.
Hope you bought a lottery ticket on the way back to the shop. But seriously, it takes a great operator to make sure that he/she is always in the right position should something go wrong. A few more feet higher and it would have been a completely different story to tell.
Thanks for the compliment. I always keep things low that I am "two-lining". For this very reason. I also keep it as close to me as comfortable. Which gives me as much capacity as possible. Doing so, gives me a big safety margin. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Does that clicking I hear as the winch line goes in or out signify any amount of distance on the line? Like each click is a inch or something like that?
The clicking is an indicator letting me know that the winch is turning and how fast. It works out to be right around one inch per click with a single line. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Holy CRAP !!! 0.0 not cool!! The backlash of pressure on the crane is definitely not a good scenario... Luckily no one was hurt and the crane was not damaged....
Bet that got the old heart rate up for a second or three. In this sorta situation where you don't have tailing lugs do you just rig a basket/choker at a sane point and go with it from the auxo winch, or do you have to get a second machine?
If there are no tailing lugs, yes a choker would suffice. In this case, we regrouped, inspected everything and ended up using an articulated wheel loader on the far end. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
That is a problem with someone welding lifting lugs that don’t understands sheer. I ran cranes my hole life. I enjoy your video can’t do it anymore but I live through your videos
What kind of inspection were the lugs given prior to lift ? If only visual its not enough. Lugs should be inspected by NDT proffessional . Also clarifued by inspector what lifting angle lugs are designed for. Only way to ensure lugs are safe for lift. This is mandatory in the offshore lifting industry.
Today, I was driving through a construction zone where they had all but one lane closed, and they were directing cars through one direction at a time. When it came time for my side to go, they were lifting a huge concrete drainage pipe over the road with an excavator. I stopped because obviously I didn't want to drive under it. One of the construction crew that was trying to wave me to drive under it, walked up to my car and started cursing me out. I told him that I wasn't going to drive under it. He insisted it was safe, so I told him if it falls on me, it'll kill me, and I'm not willing to risk that. He cursed at me some more, but finally walked away, and I continued to wait until they got the pipe across the road.
wow thats scary glad no one was hurt thats why i keep my distance anytime an object is off the ground i rather the ground get flattened not me also another reason why i dont take pictures of working heavy equipment best thing to do is stay out of there way
On a different topic Jimmy did you see the footage on the tower crane that came down in Halifax Nova Scotia during Dorian passing through looked to me as though the slew was pinned due to it going over side ways.
I work for a power company on a line crew and many times while we’ve been loading and unloading poles with our Digger Derrick I’ve seen guys walk underneath a suspended pole which weighs 1500+ pounds. I’m always yelling at them for it because even though that pole chain is rated much higher than 1500 pounds, you never know could happen. Glad everyone was safe during this and you kept the load low!
Your slow spinning fan really shook, so I'm sure you did too. Now can you do a video on why it came loose and what would have happened it the other end had come loose?
It did shake a little. Nothing too terrible though. I can do a video on the subject. It will have to be recorded in the "Crane Cave" and not in the seat. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I bet it failed because as the tank tipped, the rigging angle increased, increasing the angle factor multiplier. Or in other words, the lugs were seeing both the downward weight of the tank, and the inward force. I would be surprised if the tank and meant to be lifted with one rig.
Most humans aren't really programmed by their day to day lives to look up for danger, nor does there appear to be any species wide inherited sense of danger from above.
It appeared that the weld didn't have adequate penetration. The wall of the tank was still intact. Goes to show that decent looking welds aren't always strong welds. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane Well that answered a couple of my questions above. Now comes another, did someone have to check on the welder's qualifications? Depending on the age of the tanks, there would have been a data plate on them and the company that supplied them should have the inspection records for those welds. Which is why when the Corps of Engineers built things for us, the initial design specs often ran over 800 pages using both the front and rear of those 800 pages. Then came the drawings from the companies supplying the items and their certifications. And when all was said and done, the set of as-builts that were kept onsite. Because nothing is ever built in the real world to the original drawings/specs.
It would be if the load wasn't suspended the way it was. Booming down would move the close end of the tank away from me, causing the tank to spin. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Typically, the top pick points are very robust. They are designed to carry the full weight plus a large safety margin. The tailing lugs are only designed to stand the tank up or lay it down. But, it does make a person very cautious. Which I am anyway. Hence the keeping it close to the ground and keeping it in a position that the crane had twice the capacity of the load. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
🤔 Wonder what happened? I imagine that would put quite side load on the whip line plus put a lot of pressure on those itty bitty springs for safety latches on hooks. I’ve heard of picks like these. But this is a awfully long load. I thought the manufacturer doesn’t allow using the main and the whip line at same time. But I’m just an apprentice. What do I know ? Hahaha.
Never trust your slings! I bought 2 brand new certified slings and was well within their limits and one tore and my load fell onto a truck. It gets your blood flowing for sure.
I was pipe fitterbyears ago a Chevron refinery and the guy i was fitting for flashed me a couple of times next day my eyes had flash burn the old welder who liked to drink said" ah jus let your girl friend piss in ya eyes " i couldn't stop laughing
@@bustersmith5569 we are union. I have seen lots of operators both union and non that "two line" tanks and other items that need to be stood up or laid down. It's not much different than standing precast panels. I guess the oil refinery business is quite a bit different.
I've never had this happen before. I've heard of it happening. Which is why I always keep the load as low as possible. Now I know why I am cautious. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
So I bet you’re thinking, “How can we rig it next time to prevent this from happening again?” What would you do differently? Just a cpl thoughts - Is it even a possibility to set up a cpl concrete ‘deadmen’ at the base of the tank to keep it from sliding out? Or, put 2-4 shackles on the bottom pick points, then run your strap thru the shackles, then to the auxiliary line. It seems like it would put a lot less direct strain on the points. Hope to hear from you on your ideas. 🤜🤛
I replied with a very long response. I wonder why it's not showing? 🤷♂️. It was a lot of typing for the ole thumbs. Remind me during the next livestream and I'll talk about it then. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
48 foot tall tank....uhm...maybe we should stand 50 feet away...a tag line never hurts....I've welded lifting lugs (2) onto a 160 ton load (3 phase transformer)....two plates 1" thick, about the size of your hand....no problem...bevel the plates...use some flux-core wire....
It would've been worse had I not kept the tank close to the ground, and the crane in a position that kept its capacity twice that of the load. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Bet your pants where full 😂. At least all is good and it was manufacturer defect not you rigging could have been bad real quick. Weld's let go so that can't be you or your company right?
Surprisingly, my pants survived as well. Lol. It wasn't anything that we had any control over. So no, not on us. No one got hurt and nothing was damaged (except the tailing lugs). So, all is good. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
It gets ugly in a hurry don't it buddy. That's why it's important for everybody to pay attention on a job. Thanks again Jimmy.
It does happen fast. You nailed it with "it's important for everybody to pay attention". Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I worked at a coal fired power plant for 12 years. We always had massive Manitowoc cranes in there. The precision of the operator setting the load, blind sometimes, blew me away. Nothing but respect for crane operators.
Almost chilling when you consider the fact that we spent some time talking about dropping loads yesterday on the live stream. Thankfully everyone was out of the way and the other lifting lugs held up. Thanks for the safety reminder Jimmy! I might have to use this one in one of the safety meetings that we have at work.
It's crazy to think that I have gone through my entire career up to now without lugs breaking away. We talk about it on a livestream, and the very next day it happens. I think someone jinxed me. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Hats off to having such a calm response.
Thank you! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Glad you kept it close to the ground. Hopefully the shock-load didn't hurt anything.....except your underpants....LOL.
Hi Ron! The shock load didn't hurt anything. Not even my underpants. Lol. Hope all is well down your way. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Great demonstration in real-time what can happen in a heartbeat on a job!
Much respect for you Jimmy, performing this work daily and keeping everyone safe.
Keep up the good work my friend.
Doug@ the "ranch"
It can happen fast and without warning. Thanks for the compliment and many thanks for watching! 🙂
These some of the best videos of operating, and what operators do on a daily basis. Great work, been out of it for 14 years do to taking Manager job for maintenance in the steel mills and mining industry, and just getting back to it in a 3275 link belt.
After that shockload, do you need to recalibrate the LMI's or do anything specific?
No recalibration. Just a thorough inspection. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Jimmy my God man thankfully no one got hurt. Watching this gave me the chills man. Be safe and stay alive!!
Staying as safe and alive as possible is the goal. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Jimmy Excellent video of the possibilities that can happen, I hope anyone affiliated with crane, boom truck , track or backhoe, and also a farm tractor with a front end scoop. The operator, like you is totally not a fault and someone could have been badly injured. Many people dont understand what might happen Thanks for the video
Thankfully, it doesn't happen very often. But there is an enormous sense of relief when it's over, and you realize everyone's safe, and it wasn't your fault!
Good video to share around the crane community, if the vessel was old and had been in place for some time the big question would be were the lifting points inspected , I assume those are new tanks inspection would fall on quality of the welding, you did a great job keeping it low from the ground. One big positive from my perspective is the crane or the rigging didn’t fail but the actual welds on the load failed . Great job
They were old tanks that were being removed. We did inspect the pick points. After they tore out, it appeared that the penetration of the welds wasn't adequate. Keeping the load low, and maintaining a radius that afforded me a capacity of twice that of the load, definitely reduced the effects on the crane. Whenever I am tailing pieces with the auxiliary, I always keep it low and set myself up for as much safety margin as possible. Many thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂
By the way, I just subscribed to your channel. It's nice to see someone else making some crane videos. 🙂👍
To The Top Crane thank you jimmy I always enjoy the knowledge you bring in your videos .👍
@@ToTheTopCrane Could have been that they used the wrong grade of welding supplies. Like using 6013 where 6010 or 6011 should have been used. You'll get a nice looking weld with the 6013 but unless done right, there won't be much in the way of penetration.
Even though they were engineer picking points you had them hooked to your whip line. Which isn't a straight up and down pull which puts more pressure on the bottom pick points. Good job on keeping it low though. We've set hundreds tanks that's why we always.have assist crane.
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Good safety practices save the day. Again. Strong work, Jimmy!
Thank you! I always try to set things up to be as safe as possible. This line of work is a calculated risk everyday. The key is to minimize the risks as much as possible. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Hi David!!!
@@RonPratt Hi Ron! You and Jimmy are both setting good examples for your respective industries in a lot of ways. Way cool!
The tank was on the ground and rigging had traveled at least 10 to 15 ft before the guys had time to react. Good reminder to never become complacent on the job site. Tanks rot from the inside hard to tell from the outside. Glad all are safe.
That's a fact! Complacency is no good. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Wow great footage. Excellent training video. Everything is great good good then boomzies
Everyone and everything is fine. Could've been much worse. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
So much for the engineered lugs/lug weld. Lucky the front lugs didn't break loose as well
That an awful feeling, it has happened to me while winching a rusty old 1ton pickup out of a deep ravine. The frame was so rotten one of my two hook points tore clean off the frame. My calculated load was near WLL for two 3/8 wire ropes. (Estimated 8k pull @nearly 90deg lift). Had to set it back down in the hole and start over. Glad WLL is 4:1
It is an awful feeling. Sounds like you and I are both lucky no one got hurt and nothing was broken. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I didn't like where the onlookers were standing. If you don't need to be close, don't be. Don't stand where you can get pinched between the load and another obstacle. Especially with a tank that can roll. Give yourself somewhere to go. Watch the load and be ready to move. Some people freeze when something goes wrong so they need to be out of range.
I wasn't a fan either. I was pretty focused on the tank. After that happened, they didn't stay very close. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Yep. Standing between the skid loader and the tank was a bad idea. Always have an obstacle free exit path when possible. Sometimes you don't have a choice like when working in cramped quarters. Which often was my case. Exit path was up so minimum time in the hole was always the best.
Glad no-one was hurt. Those lifting lugs didn't appear to have been braced as they probably should have been.
It could've been much worse! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
OH WOW !.!.! That's one a those instant pucker moments if ever there was.
Glad it was not a tragedy and you're safe.
It definitely gets everyone's attention. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Right?
Probably meant to be tailed by another crane. I’ve used both lines before but always with shorter tanks or vessels.
You don't want to be anywhere the load can go. If you draw a line from the ground through the load to the boom you don't want to be there. That is what tag lines are for.
When I connected iron we would be close to that line and only got in it when the first end of a beam was at least on a spud wrench, and getting a bolt into it. The guy on the other end was out side the line until he spudded and bolted. My crane operator would swing just a little bit so we could get to the choker to cut it loose without being in the line.
It amazes me how many people don't think the way you do. Some people are completely oblivious to suspended loads. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane Jimmy, I took part in pushing cranes way past what should have been. The operator was very good. Dragging the ball to a beam that the welding truck could not pull to the crane got a building put up.
Question; Would you slack a choker on a bean that was hanging on 4 spud wrenches so you could lift up a bag of bolts so we could put the building together?
@@jimharris4013 I wouldn't cut a beam loose with only four spuds holding it.
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Thanks for sharing that life lesson:-) The winch ticking just doesn't quite give it that dramatic build up music when you know something bad is about to happen At least you weren't on a fishing boat looking for great whites :-):-)
You won't find me on a boat looking for great whites either. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
And this is why tag lines are important if the load can swing. To keep people out of any area where the load would fall and yet still control the movement of the load. What did the weld inspection show? Failure due to undersized welds or corrosion in the welds weakening the welds? Or were the tanks shot to the point that the inside of the tanks had eaten through to the point that it was the base metal that gave way? Or was it just a case of the original engineering of the lug location wasn't in the proper place? Sadly, something like that happening isn't that rare and in my case, would have meant hours of report writing including whether I had inspected the lift points before the lift was done. Luckily I never had anything fall in over 20 years of using cranes and now have been out of the need to worry about that for the past 16 years. 3 years before retirement, an overhead crane fell at another work location other than my main ones. 6 months later we had to take an inspection course on all types of cranes and lifts such that if we were anywhere within our agency's coverage area and work, that we could shut down the job if we saw anything that was not correct until it was corrected. Safety is Job ONE!
Bet you're glad the top two didn't let go. Looks like someone dropped the ball welding the taps on the tank. Glad it wasn't worse.
Thanks for the video.
Oh yes! Very glad the top held. The top pick points are very robust. Obviously much more so than the tailing lugs. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Most definitely a check/change your shorts moment. At least the lifting lugs held and the top of the tank didn't come down on part of the crane or you.
Agreed on all of that comment! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Your reaction is fantastic!
Thank you for sharing.
Good job keeping it low to prevent a bigger shock load to the other line
Anytime I am two-lining anything, I keep it as low as possible. For this very reason. I also keep it as close to me as I feel comfortable. That way I have as much capacity as possible. Many thanks for watching. 🙂
Glad no one was hurt! Equipment can be replaced.
Me too! There was no damage to any equipment either. So, all is well. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
....meanwhile the 2-legged donkeys, having seen one near miss , go over & stand under it again... 🙄😒
sir were those lugs welded and broke or tore out of the shell?
Yep...2 more gray hairs added to the beard this day!😯 Glad all worked out in the end! Thanks for sharing!
It may have been more than two. At this point, counting is futile. 😁. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane All good Bud...You have honestly earned each one! Display them trophies with pride!😁
did the welds actually break or did the lugs pull out of the shell? if the entire lug pulls out of the shell itself thats not weld failure ---that would be material failure and a UT of the area should have been done beforehand ----that would be on the owner---------------------love your videos sir
Wow I bet that got the heart rate up LOL. I would been cleaning out my pants as well. Thanks for sharing. Have a great and safe week!!!
I think it got everyone's heart rate up. Lol. Luckily, my pants were fine too. 🤣. Hope you have a great and safe week as well. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Good job for staying calm👌🏻
Calm is the only way to be in a crane. Even when things happen. Keeping a clear head makes a difference. Many thanks for the compliment and for watching! 🙂
That's some scary stuff. I'm glad no one was hurt!!
Me too! It could've been much worse. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane I bet that raised some hair on the back of your neck! How did the tether come loose?
@@a-max3865 weld/metal failure on the tailing lugs.
@@ToTheTopCrane yikes! Were you still able to make the pick?
@@a-max3865 we ended up picking the far end of the tank with an articulated wheel loader while I used the crane on the near end.
Retract the boom? Would move towards you and down simultaneously. Or was there too much load to slide?
Retracting the boom would cause the main block (with four parts of line) to lower four times slower than the auxiliary. I also still had a load on the crane. So, the best solution would be to lower both simultaneously. However, there was a 60 foot boom lift on site. So, a person just went up in it and got the lines straightened out.
That’s an even better solution. Added benefit is close inspection of the remaining eyes for any defects from the shock load
Glad you and the crew were okay.
Everyone and everything are fine. Thanks for your concern and for watching! 🙂
Unfortunately this is a real world demonstration of what we were talking about just last night on the live stream with dynamic loading and the dangers of being under a load.
Yes, yes it is. It's also crazy that I have gone my entire career without torn out lifting lugs. Then someone brings up dynamic loading....and it happens the very next day. On the plus side, no one was hurt and nothing was damaged. Keeping the bottom of the tank within 4-6 inches of the ground, definitely reduced the effects. I also made sure that I kept a radius that gave me a capacity of almost twice what the load weighed. So, the effects on the crane were much less than what it could've been. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
You’re a great OP, thankfully no one tried to untwist the whip around the main, because obvious reasons like the main cable could of took some stress, Or the other connections on top could of been as bad as the bottom.
Wow. Glad your safe
Thanks! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Hope you bought a lottery ticket on the way back to the shop. But seriously, it takes a great operator to make sure that he/she is always in the right position should something go wrong. A few more feet higher and it would have been a completely different story to tell.
Thanks for the compliment. I always keep things low that I am "two-lining". For this very reason. I also keep it as close to me as comfortable. Which gives me as much capacity as possible. Doing so, gives me a big safety margin. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Does that clicking I hear as the winch line goes in or out signify any amount of distance on the line? Like each click is a inch or something like that?
The clicking is an indicator letting me know that the winch is turning and how fast. It works out to be right around one inch per click with a single line. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I thought you would use anouther crane to tail a lift with that kind of length
What is that clicking noise, and why is it getting faster? Is it some kind of warning?
Holy CRAP !!! 0.0 not cool!! The backlash of pressure on the crane is definitely not a good scenario... Luckily no one was hurt and the crane was not damaged....
It definitely got everyone's attention. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Did you have a panel jib on the whip line or rooster only? Nice calm driving anyway mate. No panic, good stuff.
Bet that got the old heart rate up for a second or three. In this sorta situation where you don't have tailing lugs do you just rig a basket/choker at a sane point and go with it from the auxo winch, or do you have to get a second machine?
If there are no tailing lugs, yes a choker would suffice. In this case, we regrouped, inspected everything and ended up using an articulated wheel loader on the far end. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane That makes sense. Thanks for the videos Jimmy, always enjoy learning from you.
That is a problem with someone welding lifting lugs that don’t understands sheer. I ran cranes my hole life. I enjoy your video can’t do it anymore but I live through your videos
Thanks for being part of the channel! Glad you are enjoying the videos. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Dang, that will make your heart race for a little bit while you count heads.
Another good reason to have video documentation .
It will make everyone pay attention. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
That was a pretty scary moment for sure thank god for your skill
It was a tad spooky! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
What kind of inspection were the lugs given prior to lift ? If only visual its not enough. Lugs should be inspected by NDT proffessional . Also clarifued by inspector what lifting angle lugs are designed for. Only way to ensure lugs are safe for lift. This is mandatory in the offshore lifting industry.
Today, I was driving through a construction zone where they had all but one lane closed, and they were directing cars through one direction at a time. When it came time for my side to go, they were lifting a huge concrete drainage pipe over the road with an excavator. I stopped because obviously I didn't want to drive under it. One of the construction crew that was trying to wave me to drive under it, walked up to my car and started cursing me out. I told him that I wasn't going to drive under it. He insisted it was safe, so I told him if it falls on me, it'll kill me, and I'm not willing to risk that. He cursed at me some more, but finally walked away, and I continued to wait until they got the pipe across the road.
wow thats scary glad no one was hurt thats why i keep my distance anytime an object is off the ground i rather the ground get flattened not me also another reason why i dont take pictures of working heavy equipment best thing to do is stay out of there way
Keeping a safe distance is definitely the smart choice. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
your welcome i will always watch your videos
On a different topic Jimmy did you see the footage on the tower crane that came down in Halifax Nova Scotia during Dorian passing through looked to me as though the slew was pinned due to it going over side ways.
I didn't see that. I'll look for it. Hope you are doing well. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane it was on CBC
How much did this tank weigh? Do we have to wait for the next video to find out?
22k pounds.
I work for a power company on a line crew and many times while we’ve been loading and unloading poles with our Digger Derrick I’ve seen guys walk underneath a suspended pole which weighs 1500+ pounds. I’m always yelling at them for it because even though that pole chain is rated much higher than 1500 pounds, you never know could happen. Glad everyone was safe during this and you kept the load low!
Is there a specific chart for then you are using the whip line as well as the main hoist on the same pick?
No specific chart. The extra ball and rigging are all deductions from the gross lifting capacity. Thanks for watching! 🙂
Oh wow, I'm glad everyone is ok!
Thank you! Everyone and everything is ok. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
looked like that ball was coming in to sit with ya for a sec..... Stay safe
It was traveling pretty fast. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Your welcome, I enjoy the videos. I ran a tadano 220 for 5 years.
Your slow spinning fan really shook, so I'm sure you did too. Now can you do a video on why it came loose and what would have happened it the other end had come loose?
It did shake a little. Nothing too terrible though. I can do a video on the subject. It will have to be recorded in the "Crane Cave" and not in the seat. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Thx Pedro
I bet it failed because as the tank tipped, the rigging angle increased, increasing the angle factor multiplier. Or in other words, the lugs were seeing both the downward weight of the tank, and the inward force. I would be surprised if the tank and meant to be lifted with one rig.
That's comment sense like when a tree is being felled you don't stand under the tree as its a headache factor
You'd be surprised at the number of people who are oblivious to suspended loads. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Most humans aren't really programmed by their day to day lives to look up for danger, nor does there appear to be any species wide inherited sense of danger from above.
I'm curious to know if the actual weld broke or did it rip the wall of the tank
It appeared that the weld didn't have adequate penetration. The wall of the tank was still intact. Goes to show that decent looking welds aren't always strong welds. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane Well that answered a couple of my questions above. Now comes another, did someone have to check on the welder's qualifications? Depending on the age of the tanks, there would have been a data plate on them and the company that supplied them should have the inspection records for those welds. Which is why when the Corps of Engineers built things for us, the initial design specs often ran over 800 pages using both the front and rear of those 800 pages. Then came the drawings from the companies supplying the items and their certifications. And when all was said and done, the set of as-builts that were kept onsite. Because nothing is ever built in the real world to the original drawings/specs.
So I'm guessing the lifting lugs broke?
Guess them tailing lugs weren’t certified?
Are you going to be showing the rest of that lift and how you got your auxiliary line untangled
Yes, there will be a full video of that job. We got it untangled with a 60' boom lift. So, it wasn't too bad. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Would boom down be an option if your lines are wrapped around each other?
It would be if the load wasn't suspended the way it was. Booming down would move the close end of the tank away from me, causing the tank to spin. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Does that make you question the rest of the attachment points?
Typically, the top pick points are very robust. They are designed to carry the full weight plus a large safety margin. The tailing lugs are only designed to stand the tank up or lay it down. But, it does make a person very cautious. Which I am anyway. Hence the keeping it close to the ground and keeping it in a position that the crane had twice the capacity of the load. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
oh tore out of the shell owner should have done a UT in those areas and used different plan such as demolition in small peices if possible
🤔 Wonder what happened? I imagine that would put quite side load on the whip line plus put a lot of pressure on those itty bitty springs for safety latches on hooks. I’ve heard of picks like these. But this is a awfully long load. I thought the manufacturer doesn’t allow using the main and the whip line at same time. But I’m just an apprentice. What do I know ? Hahaha.
Never trust your slings! I bought 2 brand new certified slings and was well within their limits and one tore and my load fell onto a truck. It gets your blood flowing for sure.
This wasn't a sling failure. But, I know what you are talking about. Sometimes the unexpected happens. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
block in the seat ....had similar failure lugsbroke side loded welds failed.
good all ok
It definitely gets your attention! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
"After I clean my britches out!"
Fortunately, my britches were fine. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I was pipe fitterbyears ago a Chevron refinery and the guy i was fitting for flashed me a couple of times next day my eyes had flash burn the old welder who liked to drink said" ah jus let your girl friend piss in ya eyes " i couldn't stop laughing
I'm not sure that's a medical protocol to treat flash burn. But then again, I'm no doctor! 🤣
Now that you had to stand up an pull the seat out of the good Lord split. How bad did it wrap up top?
It went around one full time. Luckily it didn't wrap up tight. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Did this just happen today? Glad everything is ok.
It did. Just about 5½ hours ago. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Alot of places I worked for would never ever let and operator do that !!
Do what? Lay down a tank using both winches? It is a pretty common practice, where vertical storage tanks are installed. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
To The Top Crane maybe nonunion ? But not in the oil refinery I worked at !
@@bustersmith5569 we are union. I have seen lots of operators both union and non that "two line" tanks and other items that need to be stood up or laid down. It's not much different than standing precast panels. I guess the oil refinery business is quite a bit different.
Yep that could have been bad..be safe pal lay in there
jimmy have done any lifting in atchison ks
We do work in Atchison occasionally. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Whew... glad all is otherwise okay.
Me too! Everything worked out. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
this topic was mentioned on last nights hang out
It definitely was! I think someone jinxed me. Lol. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Have you ever had anything like this happen before?
I've never had this happen before. I've heard of it happening. Which is why I always keep the load as low as possible. Now I know why I am cautious. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Well technically you got it tripped!
So I bet you’re thinking, “How can we rig it next time to prevent this from happening again?” What would you do differently?
Just a cpl thoughts - Is it even a possibility to set up a cpl concrete ‘deadmen’ at the base of the tank to keep it from sliding out? Or, put 2-4 shackles on the bottom pick points, then run your strap thru the shackles, then to the auxiliary line. It seems like it would put a lot less direct strain on the points. Hope to hear from you on your ideas.
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I replied with a very long response. I wonder why it's not showing? 🤷♂️. It was a lot of typing for the ole thumbs. Remind me during the next livestream and I'll talk about it then. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
Good job in a bad situation
Thank you! Many thanks for watching! 🙂
48 foot tall tank....uhm...maybe we should stand 50 feet away...a tag line never hurts....I've welded lifting lugs (2) onto a 160 ton load (3 phase transformer)....two plates 1" thick, about the size of your hand....no problem...bevel the plates...use some flux-core wire....
WOW...….……. sometimes ya get REAL lucky. That could have been a real disaster.
It would've been worse had I not kept the tank close to the ground, and the crane in a position that kept its capacity twice that of the load. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
What's that ratcheting clicking noise?
skliros Rotation indicator for the winch, so the operator knows the speed of the cable
Danged old welders
I suggest for you try to not use chains on load skill like this ..
Bet your pants where full 😂.
At least all is good and it was manufacturer defect not you rigging could have been bad real quick.
Weld's let go so that can't be you or your company right?
Surprisingly, my pants survived as well. Lol. It wasn't anything that we had any control over. So no, not on us. No one got hurt and nothing was damaged (except the tailing lugs). So, all is good. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
@@ToTheTopCrane probably happened to quit to fill the pants
@@joshwelner1951 it did happen pretty quickly.
Chris guins gave me an idea to subscribe jimmy
Riggin failure?
The tailing lugs broke free on the tank as explained in the video and the description.
Tailing lug failure.
Poor welds !!
Sad part is people do it all the time, no common sense.
просто трябват 2 крана иначе има странично високо напрежение и така става
Would you mind throwing that into google translate? I can't read Russian. Many thanks for watching! 🙂
I can’t believe you didn’t think this would happen lol