Britain: Get the flags, we've got some planting to do. US: Lets manifest some destiny. China: Those other planets have been part of China since ancient times. *pulls out a map with an awful lot of dashes on it*
Great episode. I hereby claim the super-massive black hole at the center of our galaxy. Those who wish to continue benefiting from its gravity may continue to do so for a reasonable fee, of course.
Gotta find some way of evicting deadbeats, if you really want to stake that claim OP. Some lens or wall that can block or redirect gravity away from a target. Only then can that claim stand. "The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." - Frank Herbert
I've mentioned on a couple of videos recently that I'm designing a sci-fi game world which is a near-future no-FTL society in space. Part of that is a feudal ownership system where people who own territory offworld are effectively "nobles" with the asteroid colonies being the "peasants" who mine resources and produce food as an equivalent of "working the land" in a futuristic way.
i really enjoyed this, you cover theoretical concepts in a very nice way that feels like you touched most relevant topics. allows me to catapult off what you've said, and theories beyond the limits of this video.
Some of this reminds me of Factorio, where you crash land on an Alien planet, but that's not as bad as it might at first seem because you've got what might as well be a civilisation rebuilding kit in your backpack. :)
Complete with genociding the natives that had the misfortune of colonizing the planet with a less powerful civilisation rebuilding kit earlier. That just made me think of what Factorio 2 could be. You crashland on a lifeless automated industrial forge planet, huge canyons of factories that shuffle ressources around without an obvious goal, some parts intact but idle and defended like a war just happened. And you have to defend your crash site from loads of robot drones while scavenging and recycling the factories to keep your anti-artillery shields up and expand.
@@MadrawnI like that idea, I instinctively played factorio with solar panels and efficiency modules, but it does slow the early game to a crawl, make half the factory or more green energy stuff such as solar panels and batteries, and only go half way to actually being green. And after that you still have to fight the aliens.
@@alan2here Yeah, I've discovered that the main source of pollution isn't power production but mining. Even electric drills are horrible for the environment.
"Now that might really be doable, someone might say they’ve got automated fleets of enforcers who show up and sterilize worlds without suitable claim documentation." That'd be an interesting sci-fi plot. Imagine if this planet were subject to an alien homesteading claim.
As I've always said, laws are only laws if they are enforcable. You can claim a spot on the moon all you wan't, but if I have a rocket to get up there and build a house on your spot and you don't, then there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Kinda boggles people’s mind when I point out basic principles like that. Especially these days when people scoff at “big stick diplomacy”. In short: diplomatic channels only work when you CAN and don’t WANT to violently back your wants and demands and the others, at least vaguely, agree.
You might not even need to be hacker to steal and sell land. Today, you have people filing paper work stating that a property was sold to them. They often just have to pay a fee. They then sell the property to another party for profit. They run off before the real owner shows up and realizes what happened. I can image it being quite a shock to buy land, fly over to your new land, and get set up before someone else suddenly shows up in their lander and say "wait, i just bought this land from the owner." "Well i'm the owner and i haven't sold it to anyone."
@@MorbidEel What George C. Parker did was slightly different from what is happening now but it's more or less the same. He had fake offices, and fake/forge documentation showing ownership of properties which he would then sell. He also sold plays and shows as well. All of which, he had no legal right to.
The answers to many of the questions would probably not be treaties, but those that are stronger military-wise are those that will claim places, because they are strong enough to push you out if you tried.
@@MrGilang100 Dear world someone has broken the treaty and stolen my asteroid 160 million km away.... Is the rest of the world really going to come to your rescue? Heck they world barely did anything when a sizeable chunk of Ukraine changed hands. If there is not invested interest then in space I reckon you are on your own. The strongest will survive.Treaties are going to be hard to enforce and who even says they have any legality off planet? If you want to own it and keep it, buy some big guns.
Just finished the video. So many of these sound really interesting for short stories; I’d love to see a video where you list a bunch of short stories you recommend. The space Wild West sounds fun
These graphics have really gotten a lot better. I haven't actually watched a video in a long time I just listen while falling asleep. You should put all your ads at the end so you still get the money for them but I don't actually have to hear them.
A glance at history shows that distrust of power structures is almost never delusional or paranoid, a concerted effort to look into history will only ever strengthen this fact in the mind of anyone willing and capable of learning.
You would be surprised how many people I've said that to that responded with calling me a racist right-winger 🤣 The idea that one should hold the history of an organization like a government or political philosophy against them seems almost alien to most people nowadays.
@@raymisuto9872 On the contrary i am not surprised, once upon a time anti government sentiment was considered a far left position, how times have changed and yet it all feels so terribly familiar.
@@slovenlygulfcityamerican1290 Mostly come out of the idea that Democrats are left wing, there isn't a single left-winger voting for their fascist club.
A group of people, armed with laser guns, walking up to your door. Wanting to trade this nice rock they just picked up. For your entire property rights. Is the modern day twist, of an old practice.
I do love how so many in the comments are surprised by these ideas. They've been so thoroughly "civilized" that they've forgotten that violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor. And you need the capacity for violence to stop it from being done unto you.
Imagine an interplanetary governance agency that issues licenses/deeds to corporations that promise to exploit a body or subdivision. However, the license/deed requires a lease payment. Thus, corporations that are not able to exploit a resource will not pay and the resource becomes available for some other corporation to exploit.
In the '90s, there a SF comic book series called " Albedo" that featured sort of a " society in a can" automated colony ship. The population of uplifted animals, who knew they were creations, but didn't know who their creators were..
Why am I getting grim-dark feelings about the future, of colonies wiping each other out or violently conquering one another over and over, everywhere, for uncounted aeons in an eternal war, an orgy of blood and the laughter of thirsting gods?
@Portal Opener If you were going to text bomb Robert's message and my personal reply to him, you could at least have wished him a Happy Birthday first, Portal Opener. I have a perfectly functioning and public email - isaac.arthur.utube@gmail.com - for folks to send long messages to, and we have a forum's for discussing theories in, included in the episode description and mentioned at the end of most episodes.
I've always seen future space colonization as being the equivalent of the titular Mortal Engines from the sci-fi series of the same name, where fleets of nomadic space armadas roam the galaxy, stopping by celestial bodies ranging in size from asteroids to entire stars, or even hunting down smaller independent space fleets that wander too close, to add their resources into their perpetually-growing space armadas, thus attempting to resolve the issues with managing an entire galaxy, let alone a group of stars, when communication is limited to light speed, and when travel is limited to even slower than that, by consolidating all those resources into a space that's small enough for effective communication and travel within the span of, say, a week to be practical (like in modern-day Earth).
AI lawyers, maybe? I read an article where AI algorithms could replace lawyers in corporate merger contracts, so, by then, who knows what the robot lawyers will be like? Hopefully not like anything out of Futurama.
@Lawofimprobability "but that still can't eliminate the whole complicated value judgments involved." Not yet, but who knows what the future holds (apart from Isaac Arthur)?
Who would have the right to grant these claims? Unless there is some monolithic galactic empire with the ability to exert control through all the universe how would this work?
In the short term extraterrestrial colonies need to trade with Earth. If the customers don't recognize your title to trade goods, they won't trade with you. For the rest you need both point defense and an authority which has some force and acts not with a monopoly on force, but with a recognized and somewhat enforceable franchise on the SANCTIONING of force. (Same as everywhere else, government as minimal as possible, but minimum government necessary, government defends its franchise by equality under the laws/treaties/contracts, as a minimal government must to maintain general cooperation and support.) The vital next step is a extraterrestrial "Homestead Law" negotiated by the spacefaring nations (or a majority of them), plus whoever else will join. Also needed is an update and expansion of Admiralty law (international law of the sea). There were historical problems with the enforcement of Admiralty law by various national navies, but nevertheless, it was still a real and useful thing, and minimized conflict as far as it went. If you are looking for an end to war, or a quarantine of it, you are looking for what has not existed and cannot exist. "How would this work?" The same way it always has. ("That bad, huh?") I'm afraid so. As the song says "You can run from yourself, but you won't get far, 'cause wherever you go, there you are!"
Only military might decides things like this when there is no central authority to meditate. I could see the U.N trying and failing to oversee this, or some kind of successor organization
@@CameronAB122 The very existence of a central authority implies that they possess the force and organization necessary to exert their will upon other sovereign nations. The UN is not an authority because it has neither. It's a glorified advisory board, where the world superpowers flex their power over weaker nations.
From hunter gatherers we grew and back to hunter gatherers we shall return. Cities and large colonies could become so dangerous that the entire inhabited human controlled universe is just scattered small townships and families exploring, fighting, and trading forever.
I wonder if I wanted to build as many Oneil cylinders as humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible, and I did not care about laws: hat would be the faster option? To mine the moon for the materials or to mine the asteroids for the materials?
Asteroids, assuming the laws being ignored are legal rather than the laws of thermodynamics. Asteroids have more surface area per unit of mass than larger bodies, for better heat dispersions, and need less energy per unit of mass to disassemble.
Wild west compared to the east. The provinces compared to the imperial core. Small town or village compared to expansive urban. We'll figure out what is best with math that grasps our intrinsic nature. I've long held that each community should be close nit around 1,000. All cities broken into self contained communities, the ones that are suited for specialties or labor that's less social have opportunities in communities that fit. We all have our personal variations it's an advantage not an issue. We can really use it to our advantage. Even the odd sideline hermit is fantastic. They watch and see things differently. Use the different advantages we all have. Oh and don't encourage bad behaviors it'll pay out badly over evolutionary times. We don't exist only our decedents do. All is for tomorrow I believe anyways.
I am certain it will be some constant planet hopping where people are just taking whatever is empty and the next person will simply skip to the next barren rock. There is so much emptiness that fighting over a dead rock will be a waste of money and effort for the next thousand years. Never mind that there will be people who sleep for years and end up being so far out there that no one will ever be near you for a long time.
Looking at my $6.00 Staracle certificate, for my star 10,000 light years away. Issac saying it worthless - I'm thinking, OK he might be right, traveling at light speed, in 10,000 years it will probably degrade. Better pay $3.00 to get it laminated, for my progeny.
You want to terraform Mars, but not in the way that you're thinking! Don't put the cart before the horse. It will take generations to get it right and people will pay lots of money for their stake on that claim. It cost money to terraform Mars properly and it takes a lot of time. Countries will sell stake, and that's how they will recouperate their investments that they had been making for a very long time. As you said about Titan, the first colonization of Mars will be in its orbit! Then after much time and investment has been made to make it conducive to human habitation, still in need of a lot of work but a long way from where we began, people will have opportunity to purchase land. They will likely be their own government and the people buying it would have been living off Earth for a very long time making a lot of money in space trade. Think Elon, but way more significant! Rush into it and we get burned! Do it right, and take your time, and we all get very richly rewarded! Asteroid mining will not crash commodity markets here on Earth if you have a space industry that makes use of those resources for the purpose of later generations colonizing a habitable Mars!
Or, just colonise space and don't deal with the hassles of escaping gravity wells. By the time we colonise Mars you could build a shell world (dyson swarm with same amount of workable land) around it with the same amount of investment in automation and time, but the difference in the result is A you get a (mostly) barren Mars ready for human habitation, B Mars fully automated and populated, just not at the surface. There is no big difference if the tin can you are living(for living sake) is on mars or above it. But for trade, space is better, being above it means you could mine it from space (hurling asteroids at it to get the debris while also slowing down the asteroid litho-breaking style, for dimes a megaton) and also terraform it from there, the only minus is not being able to walk on the surface (of Mars) for 100+ more years (or less if you start near the middle and partially terraform using more automation and power from option B), if you are really into it.
@@BadTakesGuy yeah, but the soil is toxic so you are going to be living in a dome anyway for a long long time, months to go and months to come back(in a tin can) it would be far easier to just build a hundred more ISS-es and acclimate to living in space, since you are going to be living there anyway for almost a year (round trip) a month of supply would be heavy(2L*30days water + 1KG*30days food for a single 60KG person ~= 90KG of monthly maintenance and would be dead in a week after arival), as opposed to a fully self recycling space-farm as we have here on earth, let's say 100 KG(thin film of dirt 30 cm deep with some worms and fungi or some algee in a vat and some fish) per person( + the regular aquarium filtering equipment), but lasts for couple of hundreds of years.
This is the kind of thing that stresses me out. Something so pure and untouched as outer space, and then we start staking claims, it just feels like repeating problems of the past. Give me borderless space :(
"You can run from yourself. But you won't get far. 'Cause wherever you go, there you are." There is no problem of the past that was as perverse, destructive or bloodthirsty murderous as pretending to do away with property rights.
Can you make a video about extracting dark energy effects to do a work. Someone proposed high elliptical orbit in one of your older videos. You proposed using a rope, but rope would break after too big of a distance, instead of rope we could use a very long coil and put the two masses into the coil and let the dark energy accelerate it from each other, we need to get enough energy for a new masses because old ones will fly out of the coil some day and extra energy/electricity (after making new masses) is what we gained.
It’s an awful lot of space. I would venture that even our own solar system is too much space to police. What could we come up with that would make both piracy and policing obsolete?
"contemplating it into oblivion", being dead solves both problems, as all dinosaurs did before us (except the ones we eat), but first we just need an asteroid to catch to mine for resources, and after extinction, think of all the planets we could have colonised.
HEY Mr Arthur. I'm a fan from your earliest videos. I have a fervent request which I will repeat until you acknowledge it. So I apologize in advance. Please make an episode that describes a possible RESOURCE BASED ECONOMIC model. You have enough popularity power to be heard by many. You know our current zeitgeist is...mostly insane and destructive both to ourselves and all earth life! I share the dream of humanities reaching and harnessing the stars! But we cannot survive to that point as we are. Life shows us that cooperation equals success as species not competition. Show a vision of how we COULD be if everyone came to understand this
So if people are colonizing other places in space won’t over time be change due to a different environment pressures no longer be human over a long period of time. Time would flow different on different planets so if two siblings went to two different colonies we’re to meet later would they appear majorly or little different.
How exactly would you go about dividing something like a gas giant or a star, where your next door neighbor might be several planets worth of distance away from you in days or hours? Or where you have tons of layers of space
maybe you'd own an orbital path, or some reasonable amount of space that would insure neighbors are unlikely to collide with each other while using some arbitrary minimum amount of station keeping fuel.
Russia is giving a huge amount of money to any Russian who signs up for going and living in the depopulated and infrastructurally weak far east of Russia provided they do something productive there.
Russia is gonna lose their far east to China one of these days. Russia's far east is relatively unpopulated, and right next to China's most populated centers.
@@shorewallHard for China not create a whole world scale international incident if it tried that. I suppose it's possible for the Chinese to gradually just move there and not or barley acknowledge that they're Russian now and not Chinese. But how many Chinese want to do that and have that sort of bizarre attitude about things, it doesn't seem like the people from China that I've met in England. It'd be sensible however, even if wont get done, for Russia to sell a little land to surrounding or new countries for vast fortunes to spend at home. You're right, so much of Russia is empty. There's a fair amount of empty space in China as well. Big chunks of both countries are also farmland subject to changing technology, such as the effect plant meat production is having on animal meat farms. It's also worth noting the mountain range separating China and Russia.
Find or make a wormhole, best if it's reasonably short both on the inside and outside. Put yourself and enough negative matter to more than offset your own mass into the middle of the wormhole. Put positive messes a short way into each end. Your nice new universe awaits. :) Repeat with a new wormhole to break small parts off into subspace for highly speculative thrust and perhaps even sensing through/in subspace, try not to crash back into our universe. :)
To be honest I have no idea, I don't use apple, but I can forward that onto tech support if you want, though you might be better off asking them directly
Too me, how much free Martian real estate could you offer me, for a one-way trip to a barren, deserted hostile environment. You could offer me an area as big as Pennsylvania. When colonization goes bad - and it will. Building housing bricks - with my blood & urine, rationing my ready to eat meals, and turning off my heating nuclear generator, to cut down on the RADs, etc. Isn't appealing to me.
A lot of this depends on how quickly we will be able to jump great distances and all we have physics theories on what the true speed limit is if its faster than light. God I hope we find a way to bend space to technically teleport around the universe. This would avoid a lot of chaos and repeated history at a planet scale of politics, crime, and genocide, I think. That even depends on whether or not we find a way to communicate instantly as well. Duuuude, could you imagine owning your own planet!? Tech aint no thang anymore so you just terraform it and dwell in bliss.
Eh, 10:18 is quite the wild claim imo. Science Fiction, even if not labeled as such (see utopian novels or future novels or scientific-phantastic literature), was a huge sector in the state socialist countries. Especially in the USSR and East Germany (the two I am most familiar with).
Not that much of a hit on his actual point: that spacefaring or spacefaring adjacent nations produce more science fiction (especially SF related to space travel). East Germany did not have it's own space program, but Peenemunde was in East Germany, and a lot of the early "Soviet" space engineers were Germans. Utopian and distopian novels (especially those set on Earth) are not a special interest of viewers of this channel, with a possible and partial exception of those in which technological advancement figures prominently.
I don't buy all the 'desperados in space' talk as an inevitability. Just because our world today is full of hustlers and pirates doesn't mean it is destined to be re-lived in space. I think it is just as possible that just to survive we (those in space) would all have to be practical, disciplined and cooperative to survive. I love the sci-fi shows with all the space pirates, but until we meet some, I believe space flight can be what cleans us up, morally...
I don't see there being any small family flying out and setting up a claim on their own asteroid or whatever. There's just no point to that. I think that asteroid mining operations would be larger scale, dozens, maybe hundreds of people at a minimum, so any problems they have would likely be more systemic, rather than lone psychos. I think any asteroid too small for dozens of people to colonize would not be worth sending people to at all, you just send drones over there to strip it for parts and send those parts back to a centralized controller ship.
@Darryl Revok The thing is though, there would be start-up costs to any operation of that sort, it wouldn't be like the old days where you could just grab a rifle and march out into the woods. I can't imagine that you could buy your own self-sufficient space ship for less than the equivalent of millions of dollars current US, so most people who could afford to "bugger off into the belt" likely wouldn't be that sort of isolationist loner anyway. Now big companies could finance mining operations, but like I noted earlier, it would be a more efficient use of _their_ resources to fund one reasonably large expedition rather than a dozen smaller ones.
@Darryl Revok I still feel that any sort of space expedition would require more resources than an "isolationist loner" would be likely to have access to, or be given by others. Some might *want* that, but I doubt that they could *achieve* it. Some well-off people like to disconnect *temporarily,* but not *so* remote that they can't be back in New York by tomorrow if they feel like it. I doubt they were send _true_ isolationists on a colonization mission, because they would be too risky of abandoning that mission, and the point of it _is_ the mission, not making the loner happy.
@Darryl Revok I think it will be a long time before a self-sufficient spacecraft will be as affordable as a used pick-up truck. By that point, there wouldn't be any practical purpose to put your body lightyears away from other people's bodies, if you want to be alone, you would have plenty of opportunities to do so in a virtual environment.
Isaac ar you saying my en Shifty mine our tech incalculadet so the inhabitants is stable constand in thys government systems till there territory grows by hardware?
EXPANSE SPOILER ALERT! Expanse spoiler alert... do not pan down if you have not watched But it's amazing how even a whole season of a cutting edge Sci-Fi like The Expanse even had a whole season devoted to this theme of homesteading with aliens/ AI!
Does he sound different? Been listening for I think two years now and I thought I was just learning his language or something. When I first started this channel I had to use sub titles. Now it just sounds like a mild accent to me.
Britain: Get the flags, we've got some planting to do.
US: Lets manifest some destiny.
China: Those other planets have been part of China since ancient times. *pulls out a map with an awful lot of dashes on it*
Splendid comment
Perfectly on point.
best politically relevant joke Ive heard for a while haha
Great episode. I hereby claim the super-massive black hole at the center of our galaxy. Those who wish to continue benefiting from its gravity may continue to do so for a reasonable fee, of course.
Thanks for kick up intergalactic space colonization
you may bill my great great great x100 grandkid. ima loan it for a few years
Gotta find some way of evicting deadbeats, if you really want to stake that claim OP. Some lens or wall that can block or redirect gravity away from a target. Only then can that claim stand.
"The power to destroy a thing is the absolute control over it." - Frank Herbert
That's cool. I own the atmosphere of Earth. If you want to keep breathing, lets call it even, yeah?
@@a-blivvy-yus Both your claims are illegitimate compared to mine. Why? Because I have a rogue universal assembler to back mine up.
I didn't expect an episode today! Thank you Issac!
I was literally just thinking about this for a writing project. Thank you!
Now you can just copy the subtitles Bam you got yourself a paper.
Similar problem for mine actually; funny how that happens...
I've mentioned on a couple of videos recently that I'm designing a sci-fi game world which is a near-future no-FTL society in space. Part of that is a feudal ownership system where people who own territory offworld are effectively "nobles" with the asteroid colonies being the "peasants" who mine resources and produce food as an equivalent of "working the land" in a futuristic way.
i really enjoyed this, you cover theoretical concepts in a very nice way that feels like you touched most relevant topics. allows me to catapult off what you've said, and theories beyond the limits of this video.
Some of this reminds me of Factorio, where you crash land on an Alien planet, but that's not as bad as it might at first seem because you've got what might as well be a civilisation rebuilding kit in your backpack. :)
Complete with genociding the natives that had the misfortune of colonizing the planet with a less powerful civilisation rebuilding kit earlier.
That just made me think of what Factorio 2 could be. You crashland on a lifeless automated industrial forge planet, huge canyons of factories that shuffle ressources around without an obvious goal, some parts intact but idle and defended like a war just happened. And you have to defend your crash site from loads of robot drones while scavenging and recycling the factories to keep your anti-artillery shields up and expand.
@@MadrawnI like that idea, I instinctively played factorio with solar panels and efficiency modules, but it does slow the early game to a crawl, make half the factory or more green energy stuff such as solar panels and batteries, and only go half way to actually being green. And after that you still have to fight the aliens.
@@alan2here Yeah, I've discovered that the main source of pollution isn't power production but mining. Even electric drills are horrible for the environment.
Just sat down with a snack and I get a notification for this video, I must have sensed it was coming
But what about your drink?!
"Now that might really be doable, someone might say they’ve got automated fleets of enforcers who show up and sterilize worlds without suitable claim documentation."
That'd be an interesting sci-fi plot. Imagine if this planet were subject to an alien homesteading claim.
please please please!
That's just Hitchhiker's Guide isn't it?
Thank you Isaac for uploading this. I love the brutal honesty! 6:39 "... you can lie through your teeth to them..."
As I've always said, laws are only laws if they are enforcable. You can claim a spot on the moon all you wan't, but if I have a rocket to get up there and build a house on your spot and you don't, then there's nothing you can do to stop me.
Kinda boggles people’s mind when I point out basic principles like that. Especially these days when people scoff at “big stick diplomacy”.
In short: diplomatic channels only work when you CAN and don’t WANT to violently back your wants and demands and the others, at least vaguely, agree.
@@bitharne They're too "civilized" to understand. They don't realize how brutal the world can actually be.
Although, I don't think that any Earth government has sovereignty over the Moon, nor should they!
@@rustyshackleford1508,
I think some people are too "realistic" to understand. They don't realise how malleable human behaviour can actually be.
@@fluffly3606 Human behavior is malleable only when the implicit threat of violence is overwhelming. Otherwise, they're quite unruly.
You might not even need to be hacker to steal and sell land. Today, you have people filing paper work stating that a property was sold to them. They often just have to pay a fee. They then sell the property to another party for profit. They run off before the real owner shows up and realizes what happened. I can image it being quite a shock to buy land, fly over to your new land, and get set up before someone else suddenly shows up in their lander and say "wait, i just bought this land from the owner."
"Well i'm the owner and i haven't sold it to anyone."
That kind of Space piracy is both, funny and boring.
@@rommdan2716 But profitable.
@@rommdan2716 And as such, it might just be the most likely
Isn't that how someone sold the Brooklyn Bridge multiple times?
@@MorbidEel What George C. Parker did was slightly different from what is happening now but it's more or less the same. He had fake offices, and fake/forge documentation showing ownership of properties which he would then sell. He also sold plays and shows as well. All of which, he had no legal right to.
Can't wait for the Vertical Farming episode. Kind of amazed, that no company, is currently doing this on a large scale.
You should
The answers to many of the questions would probably not be treaties, but those that are stronger military-wise are those that will claim places, because they are strong enough to push you out if you tried.
Indeed, you can own anything if you can defend your claim with force. Otherwise someone will take it off you. The strongest win, always.
@@AmusicsiteCoUk The smartest will bypass your efforts.
Yes and no. If berlin conference can be made into reference, diplomacy can still give you something. Just look how Belgium got the Congo.
@@MrGilang100 the Antarctica treaty could be another reference point.
@@MrGilang100 Dear world someone has broken the treaty and stolen my asteroid 160 million km away....
Is the rest of the world really going to come to your rescue? Heck they world barely did anything when a sizeable chunk of Ukraine changed hands.
If there is not invested interest then in space I reckon you are on your own. The strongest will survive.Treaties are going to be hard to enforce and who even says they have any legality off planet?
If you want to own it and keep it, buy some big guns.
Just finished the video. So many of these sound really interesting for short stories; I’d love to see a video where you list a bunch of short stories you recommend. The space Wild West sounds fun
Cowboy Bebop og anime , space dandy , any mobile suit Gundam anime . Good hunting , Space Cowboy !
Also Trigun
These graphics have really gotten a lot better. I haven't actually watched a video in a long time I just listen while falling asleep. You should put all your ads at the end so you still get the money for them but I don't actually have to hear them.
That's not how ads work.
@@E.T.S. oh they know when I'm sleeping? You seems smart so elaborate please.
The Space Marines and Space Wizard Monks shall protect the colonists .
But the Space Marines couldn't fare as well as Ripley on her own.
@@bobpeters61 I think it was a 40k reference.
And the Followers of the Word of Blake with our Corporate Compliance 'Mechs.
It was a 40k and star wars reference .
Yay!!! Bonus... Arthursday on a Sunday. Awesome.
A glance at history shows that distrust of power structures is almost never delusional or paranoid, a concerted effort to look into history will only ever strengthen this fact in the mind of anyone willing and capable of learning.
You would be surprised how many people I've said that to that responded with calling me a racist right-winger 🤣
The idea that one should hold the history of an organization like a government or political philosophy against them seems almost alien to most people nowadays.
@@raymisuto9872 On the contrary i am not surprised, once upon a time anti government sentiment was considered a far left position, how times have changed and yet it all feels so terribly familiar.
@@slovenlygulfcityamerican1290 Mostly come out of the idea that Democrats are left wing, there isn't a single left-winger voting for their fascist club.
A group of people, armed with laser guns, walking up to your door.
Wanting to trade this nice rock they just picked up. For your entire property rights.
Is the modern day twist, of an old practice.
At least they offered to let you leave with a rock.
Government thugs don't even provide that much of a guarantee.
I do love how so many in the comments are surprised by these ideas. They've been so thoroughly "civilized" that they've forgotten that violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than any other factor. And you need the capacity for violence to stop it from being done unto you.
Imagine an interplanetary governance agency that issues licenses/deeds to corporations that promise to exploit a body or subdivision. However, the license/deed requires a lease payment. Thus, corporations that are not able to exploit a resource will not pay and the resource becomes available for some other corporation to exploit.
¿Space georgism?
In the '90s, there a SF comic book series called " Albedo" that featured sort of a " society in a can" automated colony ship. The population of uplifted animals, who knew they were creations, but didn't know who their creators were..
Why am I getting grim-dark feelings about the future, of colonies wiping each other out or violently conquering one another over and over, everywhere, for uncounted aeons in an eternal war, an orgy of blood and the laughter of thirsting gods?
Just another day at the office, my man. It's always been this way.
I'm a big fan of the Orion Project and my birthday is Jan 6! Thanks for the unintended gift!
Then let me give an early happy birthday too Robert :)
@Portal Opener If you were going to text bomb Robert's message and my personal reply to him, you could at least have wished him a Happy Birthday first, Portal Opener. I have a perfectly functioning and public email - isaac.arthur.utube@gmail.com - for folks to send long messages to, and we have a forum's for discussing theories in, included in the episode description and mentioned at the end of most episodes.
with all my heart, I despratly want space cowboys and samuri in the same universe, that would be the coolest shit ever
Last time I was this early claim jumping was dealt with by six guns.
Is there an Alec Baldwin joke in here somewhere?
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Alec Baldwin has always been a sad joke.
I mean, it still is. Magnium revolvers have a presence to them.
damn back to back. don't make me grow used to it
I've always seen future space colonization as being the equivalent of the titular Mortal Engines from the sci-fi series of the same name, where fleets of nomadic space armadas roam the galaxy, stopping by celestial bodies ranging in size from asteroids to entire stars, or even hunting down smaller independent space fleets that wander too close, to add their resources into their perpetually-growing space armadas, thus attempting to resolve the issues with managing an entire galaxy, let alone a group of stars, when communication is limited to light speed, and when travel is limited to even slower than that, by consolidating all those resources into a space that's small enough for effective communication and travel within the span of, say, a week to be practical (like in modern-day Earth).
That's a great idea. :D
A new life awaits you in the Off-world colonies. The chance to begin again in a golden land of opportunity and adventure. Let's go to the colonies!
Recreational McNuke for mining and self defence. Sounds like a good time.
No such thing as an unarmed space ship, after all. :D
Whatever else our new space colonies need, there's going to be plenty of need for lawyers... sigh...
AI lawyers, maybe?
I read an article where AI algorithms could replace lawyers in corporate merger contracts, so, by then, who knows what the robot lawyers will be like? Hopefully not like anything out of Futurama.
Probably better to need lawyers than soldiers.
@@somethinglikethat2176 Bring Lawyers, Guns and Money...
@Lawofimprobability "but that still can't eliminate the whole complicated value judgments involved."
Not yet, but who knows what the future holds (apart from Isaac Arthur)?
Who would have the right to grant these claims? Unless there is some monolithic galactic empire with the ability to exert control through all the universe how would this work?
The might is right classic claim
In the short term extraterrestrial colonies need to trade with Earth. If the customers don't recognize your title to trade goods, they won't trade with you. For the rest you need both point defense and an authority which has some force and acts not with a monopoly on force, but with a recognized and somewhat enforceable franchise on the SANCTIONING of force. (Same as everywhere else, government as minimal as possible, but minimum government necessary, government defends its franchise by equality under the laws/treaties/contracts, as a minimal government must to maintain general cooperation and support.)
The vital next step is a extraterrestrial "Homestead Law" negotiated by the spacefaring nations (or a majority of them), plus whoever else will join. Also needed is an update and expansion of Admiralty law (international law of the sea). There were historical problems with the enforcement of Admiralty law by various national navies, but nevertheless, it was still a real and useful thing, and minimized conflict as far as it went. If you are looking for an end to war, or a quarantine of it, you are looking for what has not existed and cannot exist.
"How would this work?"
The same way it always has.
("That bad, huh?")
I'm afraid so. As the song says "You can run from yourself, but you won't get far, 'cause wherever you go, there you are!"
The man with the biggest space gun.
Only military might decides things like this when there is no central authority to meditate. I could see the U.N trying and failing to oversee this, or some kind of successor organization
@@CameronAB122 The very existence of a central authority implies that they possess the force and organization necessary to exert their will upon other sovereign nations. The UN is not an authority because it has neither. It's a glorified advisory board, where the world superpowers flex their power over weaker nations.
“She’s got…Huge Tracts of Land!”
From hunter gatherers we grew and back to hunter gatherers we shall return.
Cities and large colonies could become so dangerous that the entire inhabited human controlled universe is just scattered small townships and families exploring, fighting, and trading forever.
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I wonder if I wanted to build as many Oneil cylinders as humanly possible in the shortest amount of time possible, and I did not care about laws: hat would be the faster option?
To mine the moon for the materials or to mine the asteroids for the materials?
Asteroids, assuming the laws being ignored are legal rather than the laws of thermodynamics. Asteroids have more surface area per unit of mass than larger bodies, for better heat dispersions, and need less energy per unit of mass to disassemble.
@@isaacarthurSFIA OK thanks.
Wild west compared to the east. The provinces compared to the imperial core. Small town or village compared to expansive urban. We'll figure out what is best with math that grasps our intrinsic nature. I've long held that each community should be close nit around 1,000. All cities broken into self contained communities, the ones that are suited for specialties or labor that's less social have opportunities in communities that fit. We all have our personal variations it's an advantage not an issue. We can really use it to our advantage. Even the odd sideline hermit is fantastic. They watch and see things differently. Use the different advantages we all have. Oh and don't encourage bad behaviors it'll pay out badly over evolutionary times. We don't exist only our decedents do. All is for tomorrow I believe anyways.
Hibernating aliens = the Necron episode .
On the plus side that Trazyn seems like a lot of fun.
I guess, there is a need to adjust the range of exploration to ship capabilities. Don't go too far too slow.
Love when I find an episode I haven't watched!
awesome, very excited to see big rip episode
I am certain it will be some constant planet hopping where people are just taking whatever is empty and the next person will simply skip to the next barren rock. There is so much emptiness that fighting over a dead rock will be a waste of money and effort for the next thousand years. Never mind that there will be people who sleep for years and end up being so far out there that no one will ever be near you for a long time.
Exactly.
Indentured servitude and slavery will become common when you have to rely on your employer for the air, water and food you need to survive.
Hardspace set up in a nutshell.
16:53 "We're talking privately owned nukes or worse"
Now that's an exciting future that I'd like to be a part of
Looking at my $6.00 Staracle certificate, for my star 10,000 light years away.
Issac saying it worthless - I'm thinking, OK he might be right, traveling at light speed, in 10,000 years it will probably degrade.
Better pay $3.00 to get it laminated, for my progeny.
I’d say splurge and get a frame for it too. What’s that, $10 maybe?
This reminds me of that movie Prospect with Pedro Pascal on it.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The sub count on seeing is at 666k. Need more subs stat! Love seeing this channel grow! Thank you for what you guys do.
thanks for the episode!
I just can’t w this stock footage @ 7:03
Beautiful show.
You want to terraform Mars, but not in the way that you're thinking! Don't put the cart before the horse. It will take generations to get it right and people will pay lots of money for their stake on that claim. It cost money to terraform Mars properly and it takes a lot of time. Countries will sell stake, and that's how they will recouperate their investments that they had been making for a very long time. As you said about Titan, the first colonization of Mars will be in its orbit! Then after much time and investment has been made to make it conducive to human habitation, still in need of a lot of work but a long way from where we began, people will have opportunity to purchase land. They will likely be their own government and the people buying it would have been living off Earth for a very long time making a lot of money in space trade. Think Elon, but way more significant! Rush into it and we get burned! Do it right, and take your time, and we all get very richly rewarded! Asteroid mining will not crash commodity markets here on Earth if you have a space industry that makes use of those resources for the purpose of later generations colonizing a habitable Mars!
Or, just colonise space and don't deal with the hassles of escaping gravity wells. By the time we colonise Mars you could build a shell world (dyson swarm with same amount of workable land) around it with the same amount of investment in automation and time, but the difference in the result is A you get a (mostly) barren Mars ready for human habitation, B Mars fully automated and populated, just not at the surface. There is no big difference if the tin can you are living(for living sake) is on mars or above it. But for trade, space is better, being above it means you could mine it from space (hurling asteroids at it to get the debris while also slowing down the asteroid litho-breaking style, for dimes a megaton) and also terraform it from there, the only minus is not being able to walk on the surface (of Mars) for 100+ more years (or less if you start near the middle and partially terraform using more automation and power from option B), if you are really into it.
@@ГеоргиГеоргиев-с3г Completely agree. Dyson Swarm is our future, and everything in the galaxy is grist for the mill.
@@BadTakesGuy yeah, but the soil is toxic so you are going to be living in a dome anyway for a long long time, months to go and months to come back(in a tin can) it would be far easier to just build a hundred more ISS-es and acclimate to living in space, since you are going to be living there anyway for almost a year (round trip) a month of supply would be heavy(2L*30days water + 1KG*30days food for a single 60KG person ~= 90KG of monthly maintenance and would be dead in a week after arival), as opposed to a fully self recycling space-farm as we have here on earth, let's say 100 KG(thin film of dirt 30 cm deep with some worms and fungi or some algee in a vat and some fish) per person( + the regular aquarium filtering equipment), but lasts for couple of hundreds of years.
666k subs, 🤔 you should do a dark world video about evil science.
Every series of Star Trek needs one 👍
Just gonna say Netflix really ruined a family friendly show in their season 2 discovery imao.
i always think of the old sean onnery movie outland (a wonderful oldwest scifi flick) where sean is a sheriff on io
Space is amazing
This is the kind of thing that stresses me out. Something so pure and untouched as outer space, and then we start staking claims, it just feels like repeating problems of the past. Give me borderless space :(
So, fully automated luxury gay space communism, Mr. Roddenberry? ;-)
Semi automated republic
You can't fundamentally change how humans organize by dwelling on the magnitude of the task
"You can run from yourself. But you won't get far.
'Cause wherever you go, there you are."
There is no problem of the past that was as perverse, destructive or bloodthirsty murderous as pretending to do away with property rights.
Great episode.
Can you make a video about extracting dark energy effects to do a work. Someone proposed high elliptical orbit in one of your older videos. You proposed using a rope, but rope would break after too big of a distance, instead of rope we could use a very long coil and put the two masses into the coil and let the dark energy accelerate it from each other, we need to get enough energy for a new masses because old ones will fly out of the coil some day and extra energy/electricity (after making new masses) is what we gained.
It’s an awful lot of space. I would venture that even our own solar system is too much space to police. What could we come up with that would make both piracy and policing obsolete?
"contemplating it into oblivion", being dead solves both problems, as all dinosaurs did before us (except the ones we eat), but first we just need an asteroid to catch to mine for resources, and after extinction, think of all the planets we could have colonised.
I keep reading this as "colonizing space junk" which seems like a video idea itself.
Isaac, bro, you have to try out a multiplayer game about colonizing space. Neptune's pride.
@8:11 "Huge tracts of land on Mars"
I think I've seen that video. ;P
HEY Mr Arthur. I'm a fan from your earliest videos. I have a fervent request which I will repeat until you acknowledge it. So I apologize in advance. Please make an episode that describes a possible RESOURCE BASED ECONOMIC model. You have enough popularity power to be heard by many. You know our current zeitgeist is...mostly insane and destructive both to ourselves and all earth life! I share the dream of humanities reaching and harnessing the stars! But we cannot survive to that point as we are. Life shows us that cooperation equals success as species not competition. Show a vision of how we COULD be if everyone came to understand this
So if people are colonizing other places in space won’t over time be change due to a different environment pressures no longer be human over a long period of time. Time would flow different on different planets so if two siblings went to two different colonies we’re to meet later would they appear majorly or little different.
Ownership, what a concept!
How exactly would you go about dividing something like a gas giant or a star, where your next door neighbor might be several planets worth of distance away from you in days or hours? Or where you have tons of layers of space
maybe you'd own an orbital path, or some reasonable amount of space that would insure neighbors are unlikely to collide with each other while using some arbitrary minimum amount of station keeping fuel.
Hi I'm Damian, just thought I'd congratulate you on 666k subs 😏
To name but one historical example of pirate/brigade origin of some nobles one need only look at the normans of French and English history
when comments start before a chance to even finish the video haha.
Russia is giving a huge amount of money to any Russian who signs up for going and living in the depopulated and infrastructurally weak far east of Russia provided they do something productive there.
Russia is gonna lose their far east to China one of these days. Russia's far east is relatively unpopulated, and right next to China's most populated centers.
@@shorewallHard for China not create a whole world scale international incident if it tried that. I suppose it's possible for the Chinese to gradually just move there and not or barley acknowledge that they're Russian now and not Chinese. But how many Chinese want to do that and have that sort of bizarre attitude about things, it doesn't seem like the people from China that I've met in England.
It'd be sensible however, even if wont get done, for Russia to sell a little land to surrounding or new countries for vast fortunes to spend at home. You're right, so much of Russia is empty. There's a fair amount of empty space in China as well. Big chunks of both countries are also farmland subject to changing technology, such as the effect plant meat production is having on animal meat farms. It's also worth noting the mountain range separating China and Russia.
Find or make a wormhole, best if it's reasonably short both on the inside and outside. Put yourself and enough negative matter to more than offset your own mass into the middle of the wormhole. Put positive messes a short way into each end. Your nice new universe awaits. :) Repeat with a new wormhole to break small parts off into subspace for highly speculative thrust and perhaps even sensing through/in subspace, try not to crash back into our universe. :)
Why does nebula not work on older iPads? I bought it and can’t watch it on anything but my phone
To be honest I have no idea, I don't use apple, but I can forward that onto tech support if you want, though you might be better off asking them directly
I hope I live to see the days of private space nukes
Thug life Issac Arthur background music at the beginning.
Could claims be guaranteed with blockchain?
Really should have tried to get a sponsorship from Claim Jumper Restaurants.
Too me, how much free Martian real estate could you offer me, for a one-way trip to a barren, deserted hostile environment.
You could offer me an area as big as Pennsylvania. When colonization goes bad - and it will.
Building housing bricks - with my blood & urine, rationing my ready to eat meals, and turning off my heating nuclear generator, to cut down on the RADs, etc. Isn't appealing to me.
A lot of this depends on how quickly we will be able to jump great distances and all we have physics theories on what the true speed limit is if its faster than light. God I hope we find a way to bend space to technically teleport around the universe. This would avoid a lot of chaos and repeated history at a planet scale of politics, crime, and genocide, I think. That even depends on whether or not we find a way to communicate instantly as well. Duuuude, could you imagine owning your own planet!? Tech aint no thang anymore so you just terraform it and dwell in bliss.
This is super cool!
As always, the BEST imagination fuel courtesy of Isaac Arthur. ❤️
Oh, I thought you meant "Colorizing Space".
Could be why not enough people want to go to the Moon. Who wants to live in black and white? Worth a try.
Only for Christmas.
Eh, 10:18 is quite the wild claim imo. Science Fiction, even if not labeled as such (see utopian novels or future novels or scientific-phantastic literature), was a huge sector in the state socialist countries. Especially in the USSR and East Germany (the two I am most familiar with).
Not that much of a hit on his actual point: that spacefaring or spacefaring adjacent nations produce more science fiction (especially SF related to space travel). East Germany did not have it's own space program, but Peenemunde was in East Germany, and a lot of the early "Soviet"
space engineers were Germans. Utopian and distopian novels (especially those set on Earth) are not a special interest of viewers of this channel, with a possible and partial exception of those in which technological advancement figures prominently.
So it'll be the belt everwhere? Bring a Drummer or an Ashford. Or both.
Id rather have a united humanity staking claims than countries/corporations doing it.
Not going to happen sadly
Monopolies are generally bad things. I'm not sure how a monopoly on mankind would play out. I assume really bad.
I hope not! If there's only one nation and it doesn't work for you, there's nowhere to go.
We have enough trouble not killing each other, I can't see us being united anytime soon.
Best to have individuals or their own kind doing it. None of this diversity crap that fights itself over details.
Everybody take a bong rip when you see the Scrabble tiles.
The first three streets on the radical Isaac colony Shall be Newton, Asimov and Arthur.
Happy 666k subs :D
I don't buy all the 'desperados in space' talk as an inevitability. Just because our world today is full of hustlers and pirates doesn't mean it is destined to be re-lived in space. I think it is just as possible that just to survive we (those in space) would all have to be practical, disciplined and cooperative to survive. I love the sci-fi shows with all the space pirates, but until we meet some, I believe space flight can be what cleans us up, morally...
None the less I maintain; every legal citizen must have the right to bear nuclear weapons.
Can i ask questions about Nebula?
Sure would be nice for everyone to have their own personal parallel universe.
I don't see there being any small family flying out and setting up a claim on their own asteroid or whatever. There's just no point to that. I think that asteroid mining operations would be larger scale, dozens, maybe hundreds of people at a minimum, so any problems they have would likely be more systemic, rather than lone psychos. I think any asteroid too small for dozens of people to colonize would not be worth sending people to at all, you just send drones over there to strip it for parts and send those parts back to a centralized controller ship.
@Darryl Revok The thing is though, there would be start-up costs to any operation of that sort, it wouldn't be like the old days where you could just grab a rifle and march out into the woods. I can't imagine that you could buy your own self-sufficient space ship for less than the equivalent of millions of dollars current US, so most people who could afford to "bugger off into the belt" likely wouldn't be that sort of isolationist loner anyway. Now big companies could finance mining operations, but like I noted earlier, it would be a more efficient use of _their_ resources to fund one reasonably large expedition rather than a dozen smaller ones.
@Darryl Revok I still feel that any sort of space expedition would require more resources than an "isolationist loner" would be likely to have access to, or be given by others. Some might *want* that, but I doubt that they could *achieve* it. Some well-off people like to disconnect *temporarily,* but not *so* remote that they can't be back in New York by tomorrow if they feel like it.
I doubt they were send _true_ isolationists on a colonization mission, because they would be too risky of abandoning that mission, and the point of it _is_ the mission, not making the loner happy.
@Darryl Revok I think it will be a long time before a self-sufficient spacecraft will be as affordable as a used pick-up truck. By that point, there wouldn't be any practical purpose to put your body lightyears away from other people's bodies, if you want to be alone, you would have plenty of opportunities to do so in a virtual environment.
@Darryl Revok This conversation is getting increasingly off topic and sounding more and more like a rant.
Oh, no! There's the magic number, 666K subscribers! 😀
Isaac ar you saying my en Shifty mine our tech incalculadet so the inhabitants is stable constand in thys government systems till there territory grows by hardware?
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But it's amazing how even a whole season of a cutting edge Sci-Fi like The Expanse even had a whole season devoted to this theme of homesteading with aliens/ AI!
Elon Musk is taking notes right now
That's a great quote from Sherlock Holmes.
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Have you been doing voice training? Because you sound different
Does he sound different? Been listening for I think two years now and I thought I was just learning his language or something. When I first started this channel I had to use sub titles. Now it just sounds like a mild accent to me.
Too often government is a function of firepower.
That is reality of the international realist.
However firepower is in the eye of the beholder
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