I had two main additional thoughts. One, the documentary didn't delve much into the experiences of the mothers. Don't get me wrong, the kids had a shit time, but these women were assaulted and violated and they mention it only briefly. Second, you didn't point out that they were all within a small area, so you have to forever worry about inbreeding lol.
bro literally annoyed me so much, the mothers barely spoke, i think the focus was too much on the children’s experience, which was obviously horrific. but i wanted to hear the mothers talk about how they felt when they realised and dealing with the fact that both the law and some people don’t see it as assault.
@@josemacias6207 assault is defined and cited by wikipedia as "the act of inflicting physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person or, in some specific legal definitions, a threat or attempt to commit such an action". in this case, assault _most closely_ aligns with the latter definition (unwanted physical contact). according to google, to violate [someone or something] is to "1. fail to respect (someone's peace, privacy, or rights); 2. treat (something sacred) with irreverence or disrespect; 3. rape or sexually assault (someone)." any of these could apply honestly. so yes, these women and their bodies were sssaulted and violated.
I totally agree with Noel when he said that male doctors have to pass some sort of "can you talk to women normally" test bc the few experiences I've had with them were so scarring, I try to actively avoid having male doctors, especially OBGYNs
I really don’t get why cis male obgyns exist. Like how can you understand me? I always get uncomfortable around them, I only go for female doctors (some also suck but at least I’m less uncomfortable)
@@Candy-md1ukI've had this same thought forever until my mum took me to a male obgyn. He's honestly one of the most professional and nicest people I know. He's very respectful and have allways made me feel comfortable so I guess their are some good doctors out there but don't let that stop you from looking out for the freaks 😅
@@Candy-md1uk eh I get why you might be uncomfortable but I don't think they shouldn't exist. It's just body parts, they're doing a job. Likewise female urologists exist and I don't see a problem with that. Keep in mind that even doctors who are not obgyns will deal with female reproductive organs and their all the time, as will normal nurses.
The part in this docu that got me so fucking pissed off was the fact that these people are forced to look for their siblings. Even after he had already violated their mother's and forced them through a procedure they did not consent to, he is now forcing these people to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. They all live in the same vicinity and because they're at something crazy like 30+ (and counting) siblings they need to know if they might be dating someone they're related to, god forbid it's a spouse and you have biological kids. Absolutely horrific and tbh the docu did not do it justice Edit: have been informed its 90+ now
Bruh, these folks out here playing ancestry Russian Roulette where every sixth date is actually your sibling or cousin. Like even assuming that all of these people manage to escape accidentally having kids with their siblings. Okay, your generation are safe but now think about your kids who will still all be related by blood and not know it. The only choice is to move away to a different state with a new gene pool.
can we also talk about how one of the siblings was also one of dr. klein's patients? aka this guy was examining his own daughter KNOWING it was his daughter???
What you should’ve really drove home was that a lot of the dads had submitted their samples that were supposed to be used, but the doctor still used his own. Dr. Klein was never supposed to use his sample in anybody. They had donor samples that were meant to be used, but the doctor just threw them out, and used his own. It’s so disgusting. Like he tries to say that he just wanted to help the women, but that’s bullshit because the women’s husbands had given perfectly good samples that were supposed to be used. I would be devastated if I was one of these dad’s, and I find out that the doctor had just thrown my shit away, and put his own in. That guy is a freak man, and I can’t believe that what he did isn’t considered illegal. Also, what’s disgusting is that he did this dozens, and dozens, and dozens of times in a very small vicinity, so a lot of these people in this town are related, and don’t know it. You could’ve married your brother. The odds that you hooked up with a sibling is pretty high. Hopefully nobody had kids together that were siblings, because it’s disgusting, and also can lead to horrible birth defects, and medical issues for the child. 🤮
There's definitely a very heavy racist superior race bs aspect to this because its not like he wanted to be a father to that many children since he clearly doesnt give a shit about them now. Its like if hitler was an insemination doctor. god everytime I see his face I feel like loading a punch with all life available in me.
@@haileyt857 Indianapolis, Indiana is not a small town. It is a small area for so many half siblings to be living in. It's population has been over 500,000 since 1950 and today it is almost 2 million.
Especially dumb when you consider that mixed race people have lower rates of chronic health conditions like sickle cell, diabetes etc. At least that's what I was taught in school.
The part where the dudes friends reveal they went to him for fertility treatments and that he was in photos with their (his) daughter as a kid...then he became her gynecologist growing up?? Yeah I almost kicked my laptop into orbit wtf
Y'know, I can't bring myself to be surprised at the fact that Dr. Klein got off damn near scott free, but more of me died than usual when I heard it. Like, there was this tiny inkling of hope that he'd be punished for what he did.
@@botanicalitus4194 yeah about 98% of cases in the US sexual abusers go unconvicted, so just a friendly reminder take justice into your own hands cause ya won't get any from the justice system; castrate rapists and pedos they're just gonna get away with it anyways 🌈💖
Imagine if you these test kits for these sites weren't even a thing. like this story would have never been told. you could be married to your sibling. And he would have never even been exposed. like that is chilling.
I watched it last night and I was HORRIFIED. As a nurse myself, how the hell did the doctor not get charged with reckless medical practice, abuse of power, possibly causing health issues in the community as people or their kids may meet and marry? Like it seems Indiana was in on this
@@cmd0113 are we seriously STILL doing the old jokes. It's been how many years. I'm betting Cody doesn't even like those jokes anymore and so many people are just continuing them.
As soon as you said the doctor was only interested in what profession his biological children were in, I knew this story was taking a hard turn towards eugenics
Yeah, I follow a girl who’s the product of this kind of conception and she’s working on awareness that this is LEGAL. How? How is this legal? To not tell the parents that you’re replacing their sample with yours???
What absolutely sent me was any time they interviewed the lawyer. They asked him if having a prosecutor from his county vouch for him was like morally okay in the lawyer world or whatever and he was like "uhm, yeah well I'm actually not going to comment on that." And then when Jacoba started just ramming on Cline's ass during the trial and the lawyer was like "yeah I crossed that stuff out but she still read it. I'll tell you, she has balls." Idk man every time he spoke I just found myself shaking my head
Right?! And the whole thing Jacoba said about ‘so if I spit on you it’s battery?’ was so fucking badass. I feel so bad for Jacoba and her siblings, but jfc, Jacoba is so strong.
he made me so upset. He sounded like he didn't care at all about the horrific and disgusting things that the doctor had done. When he said that it was not assault because "they wanted to get pregnant" I literally gasped, because that is such a gross thing to say to a victim
@@hillary96renteria82 I think he was commenting on the legal aspect of the situation. They used an anonymous donor and at the time, and maybe now, there weren't any laws about this exact situation. He agreed that it was morally reprehensible but he knew that there was no legal precedent to convict the doctor with rape. It felt like some weird loophole that shouldn't exist was being exploited.
@@kennysiegler3497 I understand that he was “just the messenger” you know, but there was very little compassion and in his words to a group of people who were very emotional. And the whole “you got the kid you wanted” thing sounded very much like victim blaming. The doctor ignored informed consent, bypassed his own procedures and policies, and masturbated in the work place and during work hours. I just don’t understand how not a single on of these things is illegal 😔 it’s sad that patients have zero legal protection
I spent the night at my Friends house, I heard His parents Watching the documentary and the whole time I was disappointed and Disgusted, not only from the documentary but also from the fact my friends parents were sympathetic to the doctor and literally were talking shit about the Girl who came out about the Doctor. The shit i heard them say literally made my stomach turn, and I know it sounds over dramatic but they went off about the kids and just demonized them the entire time. I felt so uncomfortable knowing that they just felt that way
part of growing up is realizing a lot of the adults you looked up to are actually steaming piles of shit :( not all of them, but, more than you would think
I remember when i was 9 yo, we were watching the new with my uncles, i was living in Paraguay back then. The news was showing a case of a 11 yo girl that was found raped and pregnant, and my aunt commented ''como puede ser tan puta desde tan joven'' that in english would be ''how can they be so little hoes from suck a young age''.....Me and my sister 9 and 11 yo look at each other and fear for our lives, thank god we emmigrated to europe with mi parent. Today i still cant understanh how they didnt say anything about the 40yo dude who raped her.😫 also my sister before immigrating had a boyfriend of 18 yo when she was 12 and when my aunt found out, they beated and tortured my sister and never called police on that ''boyfriend''.
@@OnesFan1 that sounds horrific sucks that it sometimes be our own families with that type of mentality. It’s very common among Latinos to always blame the women/ young girls.
You weren't the only one gasping, did no one else pick up on that weird moaning sound everytime the sibling count went up?? Weird creative choice if you ask me 😭
This is horrific. I have a friend in med school right now and they've talked about how seeking out any kind of mental health professional is super looked down upon amongst their peers and mentors. The stigma around getting mental health help in folks that work at the top of the medical field, ie doctors and surgeons, is really harsh as I hear it from this friend currently in med school.
It’s such an interesting contrast! I’m going to law school right now and we’re constantly having classes and sessions on mental health awareness and how we need to consider talking to mental health professionals due to the nature of the job/client confidentiality and the stress. I wonder if it’s because there was a shakeup a few years ago that caused it. It seems the in medical field there’s a lot of “fear of being seen as a failure” and seeking mental health help is in that category. Also, I know a few people who are in the medical field and I know the cultures they came from don’t have a high opinion of therapy. I wonder if that contributes too.
Yes! I've even heard that in some places you can't get a medical license if you've been treated for a mental illness in the past?? ...bc I for sure want doctors with UNtreated disorders???
it’s similar in vet medicine i’ve learned to not mention to any of my classmates at all that i suffer with depression and anxiety or go to therapy to try and mitigate that bc they genuinely look at me with either extreme pity which is horrifically patronising, or they look at me like i have 10 heads. and the most ironic thing is, is that veterinary professionals (surgeons, doctors, nurses etc) have the highest rate of suicide than any other career field, and my therapist and a couple other therapists i saw while i was shopping around to find the best one told me themselves that they see a lot of veterinary students from my uni for various mental health problems, depression, anxiety or exam related stress etc. it’s crazy that many of my peers also seek help for their mental health but look down on me when i mention it out loud
I can’t imagine what these people are going through. I hope they have insurance that will pay for all of their medical expenses. That he’s not rotting in jail is horrific.
What also fucked me up was the fact that almost all of the kids live within the same general area, so they always have to worry if they're actually dating their siblings, because they don't know for sure how many times that doctor did it
aren’t doctors one of the professions where a god complex is common? because it sounds like all his kids should’ve banded together to beat that ass back down to earth. on some holy retribution/family gang joined by genetics type shit.
i’m sure there are doctors who develop a superiority complex from being a medical professional seeing as many of them are in fields where they have power over life-and-death scenarios, but you’ll find people with superiority complexes in every profession and more often than not i find that doctors tend to struggle more with impostor syndrome and inferiority in the sense of thinking “i’ll never be good enough” in a career as challenging and stressful as theirs.
Fuck can you imagine if you're one of those doctor's bio kids and you somehow end up falling for one of your siblings cause you never knew they were your sibling in the first place? Fuck
I think the real crazy part is that the husbands had donated. So he went out of his way to get rid of those donations and use his. Plus this man has health issues that would have disqualified him off the bat.
in the documentary it is said that it is not counted as such so Jakoba couldn't do an impact statement about how he basically violated these womens rights
lawyers in the documentary said it didn’t/couldn’t count as rape due to the clinical setting of the action and the weird grey area where the women went into the office to have an invasive service that involved semen and that he didn’t forcefully put himself onto the women. i hate that this is the case and the fact that he only got a slap on the wrist for committing the grossest form of medical malpractice.
Noel basically water boarding his employee. Alex blink with tears in your eyes while you accidentally breathe that water into your lungs if you need help! Hmmm he won’t stop blinking. Still love ya Noel!
Personally, I only let female gynecologists work with me. Idfc if it’s a misandrist move, I just don’t like the idea of a guy studying a woman’s body and getting off to it. Don’t wanna risk it.
@@verdurite weird to be “not all men” in this context. She’s ‘generalizing’ men for fear of sexual assault. Most women are afraid to walk alone at night. This doesn’t mean they think all men are predators. It’s about reducing the odds of having an encounter with one man who is. Generally, trans men are not being included in the count of “all men” in the context of criminal activity. When I say I have the fear that a man will assault me, I’m never talking about a trans man. So let’s not act as though preferring female gynecologists is an act of exclusion.
sadly, most of the time i visit any doctor that isn't female regarding my reproductive organs, i have a fear that it's some freak that gets no bitches, as Noel put it. the cases are small considering the pool of professionals, but it's still so nerve-racking to constantly worry and pay attention to every move your doctor makes in your direction when you're in a vulnerable position on the inspection chair. maybe I am paranoid about this sort of stuff, but SA is something i have to constantly look out for as a transmasc with all the creepy dudes saying that people like me should just be SA'd to be 'set straight'
That’s why it’s always important to ask for a female nurse to be in the room. At least that way you’re never alone with the male doctor during a vulnerable position.
@@SweetNothing937 yeah, agreed But I suppose a nurse that works with a creep would eventually excuse his behavior and not pay much attention But I also acknowledge that I'm a paranoid mf that tends to overthink things lmao
Yeah I also have this fear too. Especially since SA is incredibly common and underreported. It's scary knowing that at any moment you could be interacting with someone who wants to take advantage of you. And it being from a doctor, it's easy for them to get you in a vulnerable position
I had a male obgyn who swabbed my vagina, handed it to the nurse then went in later with another swab because the first one he was just “playing with it”. It being my vagina. My mom also had one back in the 80’s who said “wow it’s so pretty I bet your husband loves it.” Shout out to the good male ones but I ALWAYS request female obgyns. Sorry not sorry
I love documentaries and I agree, the first half was so poorly done I actually didn't finish the whole thing. Im glad you did this video cause I'll go finish it and it's def a story more people should hear. But my god, I can watch almost any documentary and even I couldn't make it through that boring first half.
See I didn't get bored watching the documentary. I thought it was well done; however, I definitely agree with some other commenters who are saying that the mothers' stories weren't really touched as well as the very sad fact that these women were sexually assaulted.
Honestly after going to pharmacy school and being around some of my male classmates, I decided to never have a male doctor again if I can help it lol. People put too much faith in a uniform
medschool student here. the point about some medschool guys getting no bitches and being hateful is true especially in american medical schools. the process of getting in is very difficult and many student literaly have no lives outside of class. this includes men and women. as i guy i hate hanging out with other medschool guys its just a depressing place
@@laurenmccabe1441 i’m on twitter so i’ve definitely been tuned in, it would just be interesting to hear aleena’s thoughts since she is a familiar face.
Is everyone just gonna overlook the fact that he hit and KILLED a 4 year old girl when he was younger?? And apparently nothing happened to him after and it’s what inspired him to “find god”???? Like WHAT???
@@laurenmccabe1441 even among the ones who aren't creepy, men are more likely to discount the accounts of women/female patients. Guys like this doctor are just some of the worst of them but more needs to be done to improve men in medicine.
@@jackrussel999 I would consider men in the medical profession who don’t listen to women’s genuine medical concerns as “creepy”. I’m just not a fan of generalizing men in medicine, that’s a super slippery slope. To suggest keeping men out of the industry as a whole based of only their gender instead of fixing the problem at hand is something that can easily be flipped into women, even after we’ve fought to get our spot in the workplace.
@@jackrussel999 that’s great for you, and I applaud you for taking your health into your own hands! I personally prefer male therapists and female doctors! Whatever floats your boat, but everyone should be able to practice modern medicine!:)
Some med schools actually are trialing something that is like an "are you a good person?" test (its called Casper). But its kind of dumb tbh. They also have been working on new styles of interviewing that might give a less biased appraisal of your personality/character.
I couldn’t get past the fact that she contacted the attorney general and a bunch of government officials and they didn’t do anything! And the charge he went to court for wasn’t even for the charges against the mothers! So stupid
We have to take a Casper test when applying for med school. It essentially ranks are you a decent person, good leader, responsible. So in theory we do kinda have a way of trying to weed out the weirdos…
It's better than not having one, but those are easy to score high in, so I still don't think it's the best possible measure. The weirdos could still put down ethical answers that make them out to have strong values and leadership qualities. People even take courses that prepare them to score high in the Casper :/
This stuff is so.... morbidly fascinating to me. I have a friend.... friend's sister DIDNT go to a clinic, NO NO, she found someone ONLINE. We have no idea if SHE put out an ad looking for a baby daddy, or if HE had an ad out..... but she has said things like "no worries he has done this before", "he is a smart man, good genes, he's a doctor!" - SO IT'S OKEY THEN. Kid, and the internet, is now syncing up around being old enough to watch youtubers talk about DNA kits, and understand there is an issue - the issue being NO explanation to who and where bio dad is. This amazing human is also constantly broke, friend has had enough and told her to start using food banks, and did they actually go as far as to say, "call the bio dad...?" - I know they wanted to say it! Literally not my friends problem that their sister's is part of some Noah's ark cult experiment. Bio dad is likely not American - BUT - kid and mother ARE blond and blue eyed.
In my country, netflix actually directly recommended me that documentation and I watchted it fully, it would have been a waste to skip any of that. It was apretty good documentation, although I gotta say those nteflix docus are always a little movie alike and I personally prefer a more subtle way of telling those stories. but thats just a little note, people might prefer the netflixs way and thats fine. Other than that, I cant really say anythign about the informations that were being provided, because the children themselves told the story, I assume it was the right way. I am so sorry for them and wish them the best :)))
“Arian race with gastrointestinal problems” hit really close to home for me lmao. Got screened for stomach cancer last year, turns out I just had the worst lactose intolerance they’ve ever seen. Blonde hair blue eyes and I get a sunburn in a full moon.
What if you were watching the documentary and they were interviewing the children, next thing you know Cody Ko is the next one up “Yeah I thought I knew my dad…”🤣
i highly recommend unsolved mysteries and worlds worst roommate on netflix !! my adhd is so bad and i can’t pay attention to anything that doesn’t keep me interested and and i was able to watch all of them
i was born in the hospital across the street from his office :/ i guess i didn't realize that the documentary was boring because it seems to capture indiana so well. boring.
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I had two main additional thoughts. One, the documentary didn't delve much into the experiences of the mothers. Don't get me wrong, the kids had a shit time, but these women were assaulted and violated and they mention it only briefly. Second, you didn't point out that they were all within a small area, so you have to forever worry about inbreeding lol.
bro literally annoyed me so much, the mothers barely spoke, i think the focus was too much on the children’s experience, which was obviously horrific. but i wanted to hear the mothers talk about how they felt when they realised and dealing with the fact that both the law and some people don’t see it as assault.
lol?
Assaulted and violated??
@@josemacias6207 assault is defined and cited by wikipedia as "the act of inflicting physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person or, in some specific legal definitions, a threat or attempt to commit such an action". in this case, assault _most closely_ aligns with the latter definition (unwanted physical contact).
according to google, to violate [someone or something] is to "1. fail to respect (someone's peace, privacy, or rights); 2. treat (something sacred) with irreverence or disrespect; 3. rape or sexually assault (someone)." any of these could apply honestly.
so yes, these women and their bodies were sssaulted and violated.
@@gofarbehappy sorry, I'm Mexican this is my third lenguage
I totally agree with Noel when he said that male doctors have to pass some sort of "can you talk to women normally" test bc the few experiences I've had with them were so scarring, I try to actively avoid having male doctors, especially OBGYNs
I really don’t get why cis male obgyns exist. Like how can you understand me? I always get uncomfortable around them, I only go for female doctors (some also suck but at least I’m less uncomfortable)
@@Candy-md1ukI've had this same thought forever until my mum took me to a male obgyn. He's honestly one of the most professional and nicest people I know. He's very respectful and have allways made me feel comfortable so I guess their are some good doctors out there but don't let that stop you from looking out for the freaks 😅
@@Candy-md1uk eh I get why you might be uncomfortable but I don't think they shouldn't exist. It's just body parts, they're doing a job. Likewise female urologists exist and I don't see a problem with that. Keep in mind that even doctors who are not obgyns will deal with female reproductive organs and their all the time, as will normal nurses.
@@Candy-md1uk I've had 2 female gynos and a female family dr who sucked ass so bad I avoid their whole organization (prohealthcare)
Sure... every make doctor is out to molest you. Cool story lol
The part in this docu that got me so fucking pissed off was the fact that these people are forced to look for their siblings. Even after he had already violated their mother's and forced them through a procedure they did not consent to, he is now forcing these people to look over their shoulders for the rest of their lives. They all live in the same vicinity and because they're at something crazy like 30+ (and counting) siblings they need to know if they might be dating someone they're related to, god forbid it's a spouse and you have biological kids. Absolutely horrific and tbh the docu did not do it justice
Edit: have been informed its 90+ now
At the end it said there’s 90+ siblings and counting
Bruh, these folks out here playing ancestry Russian Roulette where every sixth date is actually your sibling or cousin. Like even assuming that all of these people manage to escape accidentally having kids with their siblings. Okay, your generation are safe but now think about your kids who will still all be related by blood and not know it. The only choice is to move away to a different state with a new gene pool.
Why do you have a problem with it? Are you a bigot?
@@MK_ULTRA420 nigga what
@@MK_ULTRA420 yes
can we also talk about how one of the siblings was also one of dr. klein's patients? aka this guy was examining his own daughter KNOWING it was his daughter???
That's just messed up to a high freakin degree man
Holy fuck that's vile. This man is so fucked words can't describe how disgusted I am
exactly! i was sick to my stomach when i heard that
How can he know that she was one of his daughters? How did he know she was his daughter? Serious question.
@@Anakin_1234 He had to of known because she was the daughter of his friends. So he used his semen in his own friends insemination.
What you should’ve really drove home was that a lot of the dads had submitted their samples that were supposed to be used, but the doctor still used his own. Dr. Klein was never supposed to use his sample in anybody. They had donor samples that were meant to be used, but the doctor just threw them out, and used his own. It’s so disgusting. Like he tries to say that he just wanted to help the women, but that’s bullshit because the women’s husbands had given perfectly good samples that were supposed to be used. I would be devastated if I was one of these dad’s, and I find out that the doctor had just thrown my shit away, and put his own in. That guy is a freak man, and I can’t believe that what he did isn’t considered illegal. Also, what’s disgusting is that he did this dozens, and dozens, and dozens of times in a very small vicinity, so a lot of these people in this town are related, and don’t know it. You could’ve married your brother. The odds that you hooked up with a sibling is pretty high. Hopefully nobody had kids together that were siblings, because it’s disgusting, and also can lead to horrible birth defects, and medical issues for the child. 🤮
There's definitely a very heavy racist superior race bs aspect to this because its not like he wanted to be a father to that many children since he clearly doesnt give a shit about them now.
Its like if hitler was an insemination doctor.
god everytime I see his face I feel like loading a punch with all life available in me.
This is why you don't get involved with anyone in a small town that you're from and they're from lol
@@haileyt857 Indianapolis, Indiana is not a small town. It is a small area for so many half siblings to be living in. It's population has been over 500,000 since 1950 and today it is almost 2 million.
I don’t know how any man hasn’t gone down there and fucked his genes up a bit.
the irony of thinking you have superior genetics and then passing on a bunch of genetic health conditions...........
Especially dumb when you consider that mixed race people have lower rates of chronic health conditions like sickle cell, diabetes etc. At least that's what I was taught in school.
Sounds about white
@@chatnoir9038 yup
@@chatnoir9038 😂😂😂
with all the risk of inbreeding as well this dud didn't do his "race" any justice
The part where the dudes friends reveal they went to him for fertility treatments and that he was in photos with their (his) daughter as a kid...then he became her gynecologist growing up?? Yeah I almost kicked my laptop into orbit wtf
Her fertility doctor, which makes it even worse.
Oh nah he became her gynaecologist? 😟
@@Katiana2001 holdon he put his semen in his own daughter?????
Y'know, I can't bring myself to be surprised at the fact that Dr. Klein got off damn near scott free, but more of me died than usual when I heard it. Like, there was this tiny inkling of hope that he'd be punished for what he did.
that's the worst pat of this whole story
SexuaI abusers never get any serious punishment
@@botanicalitus4194 yeah about 98% of cases in the US sexual abusers go unconvicted, so just a friendly reminder take justice into your own hands cause ya won't get any from the justice system; castrate rapists and pedos they're just gonna get away with it anyways 🌈💖
I was hoping they’d figure something out with the whole autoimmune disease thing getting passed off to his kids in order to persecute him.
Imagine if you these test kits for these sites weren't even a thing. like this story would have never been told. you could be married to your sibling. And he would have never even been exposed. like that is chilling.
I watched it last night and I was HORRIFIED. As a nurse myself, how the hell did the doctor not get charged with reckless medical practice, abuse of power, possibly causing health issues in the community as people or their kids may meet and marry? Like it seems Indiana was in on this
Do people really complain about Alex? I love him! I think he raises Noel's game by giving him that energy of another person to work off of as well.
@concert4aliens it's the lack of old people representation
Man ukrainians really can't cath a break😔
I've never seen one complaint and he keeps making the same joke so I think it's a bit.
@@cmd0113 are we seriously STILL doing the old jokes. It's been how many years. I'm betting Cody doesn't even like those jokes anymore and so many people are just continuing them.
... i kinda wish that Noah and Alex would both be on ... shout-out Noah
As soon as you said the doctor was only interested in what profession his biological children were in, I knew this story was taking a hard turn towards eugenics
exactly!
The fact that he isn't murdered by now is an injustice
This kind of ending makes me so mad. Same as Tinder Swindler. People doing horrific shit and there being no consequences
The confidence of using a green screen and not putting anything on it. Hope you're ready for the edits Noel lol 😂
Considering what he’s talking about what exactly do you put there
@@nuclearbiologist It's the noel miller community, so probably some really fucked shit.
Yeah, I follow a girl who’s the product of this kind of conception and she’s working on awareness that this is LEGAL. How? How is this legal? To not tell the parents that you’re replacing their sample with yours???
He predicted this
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What absolutely sent me was any time they interviewed the lawyer. They asked him if having a prosecutor from his county vouch for him was like morally okay in the lawyer world or whatever and he was like "uhm, yeah well I'm actually not going to comment on that." And then when Jacoba started just ramming on Cline's ass during the trial and the lawyer was like "yeah I crossed that stuff out but she still read it. I'll tell you, she has balls." Idk man every time he spoke I just found myself shaking my head
Right?! And the whole thing Jacoba said about ‘so if I spit on you it’s battery?’ was so fucking badass. I feel so bad for Jacoba and her siblings, but jfc, Jacoba is so strong.
he made me so upset. He sounded like he didn't care at all about the horrific and disgusting things that the doctor had done. When he said that it was not assault because "they wanted to get pregnant" I literally gasped, because that is such a gross thing to say to a victim
@@hillary96renteria82 I think he was commenting on the legal aspect of the situation. They used an anonymous donor and at the time, and maybe now, there weren't any laws about this exact situation. He agreed that it was morally reprehensible but he knew that there was no legal precedent to convict the doctor with rape. It felt like some weird loophole that shouldn't exist was being exploited.
@@kennysiegler3497 I understand that he was “just the messenger” you know, but there was very little compassion and in his words to a group of people who were very emotional. And the whole “you got the kid you wanted” thing sounded very much like victim blaming.
The doctor ignored informed consent, bypassed his own procedures and policies, and masturbated in the work place and during work hours. I just don’t understand how not a single on of these things is illegal 😔 it’s sad that patients have zero legal protection
I spent the night at my Friends house, I heard His parents Watching the documentary and the whole time I was disappointed and Disgusted, not only from the documentary but also from the fact my friends parents were sympathetic to the doctor and literally were talking shit about the Girl who came out about the Doctor. The shit i heard them say literally made my stomach turn, and I know it sounds over dramatic but they went off about the kids and just demonized them the entire time. I felt so uncomfortable knowing that they just felt that way
Oh my god???? Huh??????? Did you say anything to ur friend bc omg😭
I’m so sorry for your friend and you that’s like… really fucked up.
part of growing up is realizing a lot of the adults you looked up to are actually steaming piles of shit :( not all of them, but, more than you would think
@Joshua EdwinRoehl I already fell for this once today 🥲
I remember when i was 9 yo, we were watching the new with my uncles, i was living in Paraguay back then. The news was showing a case of a 11 yo girl that was found raped and pregnant, and my aunt commented ''como puede ser tan puta desde tan joven'' that in english would be ''how can they be so little hoes from suck a young age''.....Me and my sister 9 and 11 yo look at each other and fear for our lives, thank god we emmigrated to europe with mi parent. Today i still cant understanh how they didnt say anything about the 40yo dude who raped her.😫 also my sister before immigrating had a boyfriend of 18 yo when she was 12 and when my aunt found out, they beated and tortured my sister and never called police on that ''boyfriend''.
@@OnesFan1 that sounds horrific sucks that it sometimes be our own families with that type of mentality. It’s very common among Latinos to always blame the women/ young girls.
Also every single time the number climbed I legitimately could not believe it. Like fully GASPED every single time
SAME
You weren't the only one gasping, did no one else pick up on that weird moaning sound everytime the sibling count went up?? Weird creative choice if you ask me 😭
@@bidishah I went back to check and you're right, I forgot they put that in there, it felt a little uncomfortable. 😭
Im so sorry to hear about the struggles that come with being rich af, i can only imagine the fatigue. And yet you post. Amazing.
"Struggles that come" That's me🙄😩
struggle? like.. mr struggle?
Yeah he’s pretty tone deaf sometimes
@@j.greenwood423 Noel was making a joke. He's not actually rude or tone deaf
@@AdaAdaAdanna 🤐
“Why are you here, because you don’t wanna watch the whole darn mov-“ well hold your horses there partner I just refreshed my subscription tab dayum
Right I didn’t know what this was even about until he said it lol
Ceau
Being a woman is hell
This is horrific. I have a friend in med school right now and they've talked about how seeking out any kind of mental health professional is super looked down upon amongst their peers and mentors. The stigma around getting mental health help in folks that work at the top of the medical field, ie doctors and surgeons, is really harsh as I hear it from this friend currently in med school.
Good god, why??
It’s such an interesting contrast! I’m going to law school right now and we’re constantly having classes and sessions on mental health awareness and how we need to consider talking to mental health professionals due to the nature of the job/client confidentiality and the stress. I wonder if it’s because there was a shakeup a few years ago that caused it. It seems the in medical field there’s a lot of “fear of being seen as a failure” and seeking mental health help is in that category. Also, I know a few people who are in the medical field and I know the cultures they came from don’t have a high opinion of therapy. I wonder if that contributes too.
Yes! I've even heard that in some places you can't get a medical license if you've been treated for a mental illness in the past?? ...bc I for sure want doctors with UNtreated disorders???
it’s similar in vet medicine i’ve learned to not mention to any of my classmates at all that i suffer with depression and anxiety or go to therapy to try and mitigate that bc they genuinely look at me with either extreme pity which is horrifically patronising, or they look at me like i have 10 heads. and the most ironic thing is, is that veterinary professionals (surgeons, doctors, nurses etc) have the highest rate of suicide than any other career field, and my therapist and a couple other therapists i saw while i was shopping around to find the best one told me themselves that they see a lot of veterinary students from my uni for various mental health problems, depression, anxiety or exam related stress etc. it’s crazy that many of my peers also seek help for their mental health but look down on me when i mention it out loud
@@tiyas5378 it’s probably just america no other country has people dumb enough to judge you for having a mental illness and getting help for it
I can’t imagine what these people are going through. I hope they have insurance that will pay for all of their medical expenses. That he’s not rotting in jail is horrific.
As someone who’s known about this story for a while because I live near indy, I’m so glad that people are going batshit over this insane story
What also fucked me up was the fact that almost all of the kids live within the same general area, so they always have to worry if they're actually dating their siblings, because they don't know for sure how many times that doctor did it
The double use of the oh brother snippit is why I wake up every morning.
aren’t doctors one of the professions where a god complex is common?
because it sounds like all his kids should’ve banded together to beat that ass back down to earth. on some holy retribution/family gang joined by genetics type shit.
i’m sure there are doctors who develop a superiority complex from being a medical professional seeing as many of them are in fields where they have power over life-and-death scenarios, but you’ll find people with superiority complexes in every profession and more often than not i find that doctors tend to struggle more with impostor syndrome and inferiority in the sense of thinking “i’ll never be good enough” in a career as challenging and stressful as theirs.
@@mentholcrystals Yes put the god complex doctor is more dangerous than the other professions "experts"
Shoulda been on some Greek gods vs Chronos type shit
No?
He was part of a right wing religious cult that seeks to have many children, it’s called quiver full
Fuck can you imagine if you're one of those doctor's bio kids and you somehow end up falling for one of your siblings cause you never knew they were your sibling in the first place? Fuck
I think the real crazy part is that the husbands had donated. So he went out of his way to get rid of those donations and use his. Plus this man has health issues that would have disqualified him off the bat.
Can this be counted as r*pe? or any sex crime? what the fuck
if it isn’t it absolutely should be
in the documentary it is said that it is not counted as such so Jakoba couldn't do an impact statement about how he basically violated these womens rights
lawyers in the documentary said it didn’t/couldn’t count as rape due to the clinical setting of the action and the weird grey area where the women went into the office to have an invasive service that involved semen and that he didn’t forcefully put himself onto the women. i hate that this is the case and the fact that he only got a slap on the wrist for committing the grossest form of medical malpractice.
Nope There were no laws that protect against this. He technically didn’t break any laws which is fucking disgusting
@@kayla-mv2yz That's terrible. I can't believe that this is not illegal. These women did not agree to be a part of his sick, fetishistic scheme.
I’m from the area where this all happened and now I’m just wondering how many of this guys offspring i have interacted with and not even know it
Maybe you are one of his offsprings too and don't even know. Do you have blue eyes?
Not ‘offspring’💀
Imagine 2 people falling in love and marrying and finding out they're cousins :/
@@Direnaar siblings not cousins
omg THANK YOU! i am a huge blumhouse fan but i was SO BORED. i didn’t even finish the documentary, and that’s like unheard of for me!
Noel basically water boarding his employee. Alex blink with tears in your eyes while you accidentally breathe that water into your lungs if you need help! Hmmm he won’t stop blinking. Still love ya Noel!
The “oh brother” one right after another killed me
noel is just so humble, though he's super-rich flying around the world 2 times just to make a video for us peasants
Your right gynecologist should have sum form of psych test before getting hired
Personally, I only let female gynecologists work with me. Idfc if it’s a misandrist move, I just don’t like the idea of a guy studying a woman’s body and getting off to it. Don’t wanna risk it.
@@corvid2910 some men are gay or trans (and not attracted to women), don't generalize
@@verdurite weird to be “not all men” in this context. She’s ‘generalizing’ men for fear of sexual assault. Most women are afraid to walk alone at night. This doesn’t mean they think all men are predators. It’s about reducing the odds of having an encounter with one man who is. Generally, trans men are not being included in the count of “all men” in the context of criminal activity. When I say I have the fear that a man will assault me, I’m never talking about a trans man. So let’s not act as though preferring female gynecologists is an act of exclusion.
@@verdurite keyword ‘risk’, buddy.
I mean not caring about his kids feelings and he was absent their whole life… sounds like a true dad to me
no, sounds like a dead beat man. There are great dads out there.
Lmao true
thank you for flying around the world twice just to show ur commitment to us.
sadly, most of the time i visit any doctor that isn't female regarding my reproductive organs, i have a fear that it's some freak that gets no bitches, as Noel put it. the cases are small considering the pool of professionals, but it's still so nerve-racking to constantly worry and pay attention to every move your doctor makes in your direction when you're in a vulnerable position on the inspection chair. maybe I am paranoid about this sort of stuff, but SA is something i have to constantly look out for as a transmasc with all the creepy dudes saying that people like me should just be SA'd to be 'set straight'
i rather wait months for a female OB then see a man
That’s why it’s always important to ask for a female nurse to be in the room. At least that way you’re never alone with the male doctor during a vulnerable position.
@@SweetNothing937 yeah, agreed
But I suppose a nurse that works with a creep would eventually excuse his behavior and not pay much attention
But I also acknowledge that I'm a paranoid mf that tends to overthink things lmao
Yeah I also have this fear too. Especially since SA is incredibly common and underreported. It's scary knowing that at any moment you could be interacting with someone who wants to take advantage of you. And it being from a doctor, it's easy for them to get you in a vulnerable position
I had a male obgyn who swabbed my vagina, handed it to the nurse then went in later with another swab because the first one he was just “playing with it”. It being my vagina. My mom also had one back in the 80’s who said “wow it’s so pretty I bet your husband loves it.” Shout out to the good male ones but I ALWAYS request female obgyns. Sorry not sorry
The law really said “those women had it coming”
0:31 You should do innuendo bingo with Alex that would be hilarious
I love documentaries and I agree, the first half was so poorly done I actually didn't finish the whole thing. Im glad you did this video cause I'll go finish it and it's def a story more people should hear. But my god, I can watch almost any documentary and even I couldn't make it through that boring first half.
solo noel on green screen is amazing format ik its not permanent but still 10/10
See I didn't get bored watching the documentary. I thought it was well done; however, I definitely agree with some other commenters who are saying that the mothers' stories weren't really touched as well as the very sad fact that these women were sexually assaulted.
Honestly after going to pharmacy school and being around some of my male classmates, I decided to never have a male doctor again if I can help it lol. People put too much faith in a uniform
I just watched this yesterday!!! I'm starting my infertility journey and I went from so excited to......worried.
Best of luck to you💞
@@megrobinson9254 thank you so much🥰
Good luck
medschool student here. the point about some medschool guys getting no bitches and being hateful is true especially in american medical schools. the process of getting in is very difficult and many student literaly have no lives outside of class. this includes men and women. as i guy i hate hanging out with other medschool guys its just a depressing place
Since the law failed to punish him, all the women should come after him for child support
"Our father", I wish you would be my Father, Noel
never been so glad to have broke teen parents, never have to worry abt being secretly adopted or have a pysco doctor dad 🙏🏻
"You laugh you're fired"
Sir, Have you ever considered going into Human Resources Management?
i know one of the daughters… her story is really powerful. if you ever get the chance to hear their stories, listen.
NO NOEL, I WATCHED ALL OF IT. SO I CAN JUDGE YOU ON HOW ACCURATE YOU"RE REPRESENTING THIS STORY.
This would've been a good topic to do with Aleena as a guest since she is woman.
yesssss definitely, I would have loved to hear her thoughts on this
There’s a lot of women online talking about this if you’re interested!
@@laurenmccabe1441 i’m on twitter so i’ve definitely been tuned in, it would just be interesting to hear aleena’s thoughts since she is a familiar face.
we need a mental exam and frequent mental check-ins for doctors
15:10 truer words have never been spoked. What a tragic story.
Damn he missed the opportunity to say “he punked him with his spunk”
Bro really referred to himself as “default as fuck”
Is everyone just gonna overlook the fact that he hit and KILLED a 4 year old girl when he was younger?? And apparently nothing happened to him after and it’s what inspired him to “find god”???? Like WHAT???
The documentary reminds you that we live in an UNJUST world and it will sadly stay like that forever.
YES,, something I can finally get behind- get men out of medicine!!! Lmao
Creepy men*
@@laurenmccabe1441 even among the ones who aren't creepy, men are more likely to discount the accounts of women/female patients. Guys like this doctor are just some of the worst of them but more needs to be done to improve men in medicine.
@@laurenmccabe1441 i started requesting all women/female physicians and it definitely improved my experiences at medical appointments.
@@jackrussel999 I would consider men in the medical profession who don’t listen to women’s genuine medical concerns as “creepy”. I’m just not a fan of generalizing men in medicine, that’s a super slippery slope. To suggest keeping men out of the industry as a whole based of only their gender instead of fixing the problem at hand is something that can easily be flipped into women, even after we’ve fought to get our spot in the workplace.
@@jackrussel999 that’s great for you, and I applaud you for taking your health into your own hands! I personally prefer male therapists and female doctors! Whatever floats your boat, but everyone should be able to practice modern medicine!:)
There was a case exactly like this years ago on Law & Order: SVU
Some med schools actually are trialing something that is like an "are you a good person?" test (its called Casper). But its kind of dumb tbh. They also have been working on new styles of interviewing that might give a less biased appraisal of your personality/character.
I couldn’t get past the fact that she contacted the attorney general and a bunch of government officials and they didn’t do anything! And the charge he went to court for wasn’t even for the charges against the mothers! So stupid
Blumhouse is really diversifying that portfolio.
According to a new report from 3 weeks ago, he's paid 1.3 million so far in civil suits and 3 more are pending. Still no criminal charges though
Idk what's going on but I have a feeling he predicted this
We have to take a Casper test when applying for med school. It essentially ranks are you a decent person, good leader, responsible. So in theory we do kinda have a way of trying to weed out the weirdos…
It's better than not having one, but those are easy to score high in, so I still don't think it's the best possible measure. The weirdos could still put down ethical answers that make them out to have strong values and leadership qualities. People even take courses that prepare them to score high in the Casper :/
1:14 the desk moving a bit so it's not on Noel is such an unnecessary edit it kills me
Not Noel saying "towns where drugs are the only option other than college" as my hometown scrolls by
ofcourse, men like him get away scott free. God i hate this world
Noel and Alex are like in monsters inc when the monsters go into kids rooms and do comedy until they laugh
I was going to go to that Hartford show but you have to buy two tickets and I'm lonely, Noel, that's why I watch your uploads so fast 🌞
Bruh I'm Burnt as shit I got halfway through the video till I realized I had seen the documentary lmao blum house effect
I'm loving the green screen effect of a green screen.
This stuff is so.... morbidly fascinating to me. I have a friend.... friend's sister DIDNT go to a clinic, NO NO, she found someone ONLINE. We have no idea if SHE put out an ad looking for a baby daddy, or if HE had an ad out..... but she has said things like "no worries he has done this before", "he is a smart man, good genes, he's a doctor!" - SO IT'S OKEY THEN.
Kid, and the internet, is now syncing up around being old enough to watch youtubers talk about DNA kits, and understand there is an issue - the issue being NO explanation to who and where bio dad is. This amazing human is also constantly broke, friend has had enough and told her to start using food banks, and did they actually go as far as to say, "call the bio dad...?" - I know they wanted to say it! Literally not my friends problem that their sister's is part of some Noah's ark cult experiment. Bio dad is likely not American - BUT - kid and mother ARE blond and blue eyed.
In my country, netflix actually directly recommended me that documentation and I watchted it fully, it would have been a waste to skip any of that. It was apretty good documentation, although I gotta say those nteflix docus are always a little movie alike and I personally prefer a more subtle way of telling those stories. but thats just a little note, people might prefer the netflixs way and thats fine. Other than that, I cant really say anythign about the informations that were being provided, because the children themselves told the story, I assume it was the right way.
I am so sorry for them and wish them the best :)))
This guy literaly tried to pull a Genghis Khan.
Nah… because these poor people could have been messing about with their siblings and not even know…
It was so dark and over dramatized too, didn’t really care for the stylistic choices the filmmakers made
Noel dude, you should come to London and do a few nights here… would be awesome to see you live. I can’t be the only UK fan.
My ex's mom was one of his patients. She was not one of the victims, but the friend that referred to her was
First time ever hearing BLUMHOUSE pronounced that way, lmfao
“Arian race with gastrointestinal problems” hit really close to home for me lmao. Got screened for stomach cancer last year, turns out I just had the worst lactose intolerance they’ve ever seen. Blonde hair blue eyes and I get a sunburn in a full moon.
Really is some Midwest shit
The Hulu documentary is actually about a different doctor named Dr.Thomas Hicks
Me: damn, there's nothing to watch on YT
Notifications: Noel Miller just poste-
Me: **WATCH**
“watching tiktok bc it’s like a series of victims repeating the same lines”is absolutely hilarious
Noel I don't watch Netflix I only watch you reviewing shows on Netflix so I appreciate these vids
“it’s like tik tok, just a series of victims repeating the same line” damn i thought it was just my feed 😭
My soul hurts listening to this
also the way they made the first girl sound like she was a social outcast for having blue eyes and blonde hair
What if you were watching the documentary and they were interviewing the children, next thing you know Cody Ko is the next one up “Yeah I thought I knew my dad…”🤣
i highly recommend unsolved mysteries and worlds worst roommate on netflix !! my adhd is so bad and i can’t pay attention to anything that doesn’t keep me interested and and i was able to watch all of them
From what I've learned of history most people alive do actually come from like 7 dudes. *cough cough* Ghengis *cough* .
I'm not a mother but I have a uterus so I see obgyns and it makes the experience so much more comfortable when my doctor tries to make me comfortable
i was born in the hospital across the street from his office :/ i guess i didn't realize that the documentary was boring because it seems to capture indiana so well. boring.
if you don’t mind me asking where was his office located??
dude the last 10 minutes of this documentary had my jaw on the godamn floor
Rat race is so fucking good, these vídeos always remind me to listen again