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  • Опубліковано 28 лип 2024
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    In this episode of DIY or Buy we will have a closer look at a small commercial 12V DC Water Pump. We will find out how it works and why it is called a centrifugal pump. Afterwards I will then 3D print a bigger water pump in order to find out whether it makes sense to DIY such a pump with a 3D printer or whether we should stick to the commercial solution instead. Let's get started!
    Thanks to Trinamic Motion Control for sponsoring this video and sending an early version of their DOCK5 board, which features the ROCINANTE chip with integrated RISC-V processor.
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  • @greatscottlab
    @greatscottlab  4 роки тому +814

    I noticed that quite a few people are disappointed that I did not improve the 3D printed pump with a metal shaft. So here is a quick explanation why I stopped at that point. The reason is quite simple and is called time. I already spent 60 hours on this project when I got to the point when the shaft broke. That of course includes everything like planning, getting parts, writing a script, doing test, filming,......... Of course I could have tried improving the pump with a metal shaft but due to other problems I noticed that come with such a 3D printed design, I decided that such an option would not be sufficient for my garden and declared buy as the winner. If I would not have done that, then there might have been a successful water flow with the 3D printed pump but then again I would probably not have enough time to produce the next video for my channel. I appreciate all your feedback and I also love to tinker and get things to work. But I still have to think about getting content out regularly because this is my full time job. You can always support me through Patreon if you do not like this concept. So I can pretty much independently decide how much time I want to spend on projects instead of thinking about how to please the UA-cam algorithm. Thanks for understanding.

    • @Ghyus01
      @Ghyus01 4 роки тому +30

      I think that's fair enough! At some point you just have to call it quits. Thanks for being honest tho!

    • @ssstjepannn
      @ssstjepannn 4 роки тому +2

      I like your channel!

    • @joashnaidoo8644
      @joashnaidoo8644 4 роки тому +32

      Why can't this level of transparency exist in government also.... Great Scott for president???

    • @bhavyajain638
      @bhavyajain638 4 роки тому +15

      So can we expect a part 2 of the video? I'm eager to know what would be it's flow rate.

    • @oniruddhoalam2039
      @oniruddhoalam2039 4 роки тому +3

      What is the vga port on the microcontroller used for?

  • @Clement-xy9iv
    @Clement-xy9iv 4 роки тому +1102

    You should have drilled the plastic rotor axle, to replace it with a metal one. I guess this could have made your pump work a little better.

    • @Aybex97
      @Aybex97 4 роки тому +6

      Yes but since the impeller is 3d printed, a plastic shaft would be present because if not, how would you couple the motor shaft to the impeler ?

    • @Tomas970506
      @Tomas970506 4 роки тому +66

      @@Aybex97 You know that there is such a thing called shaft with a keyway?

    • @Clement-xy9iv
      @Clement-xy9iv 4 роки тому +19

      I'd make a hole, and glue it, or use a shaft with a key-way as Thomas suggests for better results.

    • @johannesmuller1288
      @johannesmuller1288 4 роки тому +11

      @@Tomas970506 or just drill through and put a screw in keyways are difficult to make without a mill

    • @laser69beam
      @laser69beam 4 роки тому +19

      Clément 2000 THE VANES ARE BACKWARDS...!!!! How come no one is saying it..? SCOTT ITS BACKWARDS ;))) look at the vanes on the small pump you bought and see which way the vanes curve in respect to the direction of rotation ;)))
      3:25 THEIRS (note exit hole location, impeller rotation direction and the angle of the vanes.
      5:05 YOURS, note same things ;)
      @GreatScott!

  • @g45h96
    @g45h96 4 роки тому +60

    There's a lot of issues with your diy solution.
    1)the axle was thin enough that there was no contact with the bearing. The oscillation of not being held perfectly centered could have contributed to the shaft breaking
    2)the long axis of the shaft was printed upright, meaning it could easily shear along the layer lines. Print it sideways so the layers run along the long axis of the shaft
    3)petg is one of the most brittle 3d filaments out there. Abs would probably have been a better solution in the first place
    4)3d printing the shaft was probably not the best idea in the first place
    5)you could add a u groove in one of the sides of the pump enclosure, and lay a thick bead of silicon in it to create an o ring
    Those are the issues I'm seeing right off the bat. I'm sure there are more issues that led to failure, and I also saw a lot of areas that could be improved, but didn't necessarily lead to failure.

    • @HighVoltageMadness
      @HighVoltageMadness 2 роки тому +3

      Just use a metal shaft. Or mount the impeller directly on the motor shaft. Then there is no need for any extra work. I would also add a seal for the shaft

    • @zainahmed4172
      @zainahmed4172 Рік тому

      There is more, the pump isn’t primed”
      Which is important for it to work without any issues.

    • @g45h96
      @g45h96 Рік тому

      @@zainahmed4172 true. Centrifugal pumps have a very difficult time pulling suction without sufficient pump head, as well as issues when cavitation happens or if there's large pockets of air. Air is compressible, and these types of pumps (impulse type impellers) are meant to really push incompressible fluids, not cause flow due to a pressure difference.

  • @bjarnivalur6330
    @bjarnivalur6330 4 роки тому +186

    4:59 Your fins are mirrored, that causes a lot of extra stress and resistance to flow.

    • @justd3fy
      @justd3fy 4 роки тому +9

      could you elaborate? edit: nvm i figured out what you meant from someone elses comment. sweep angle is wrong

    • @charlesballiet7074
      @charlesballiet7074 4 роки тому +10

      @@justd3fy more that that there are a even number of blades that cause cross pressure when the water is released on the output side

    • @wtfyman
      @wtfyman 4 роки тому +1

      @@justd3fy Water is incompressible. The water is 'flung out' by the wheel and follows a spiral. The circumference of a circle increases with radius, so for conservation of mass, the cross section normal to the flow has to stay constant. This creates a certain geometry for a spiral.

    • @thorerik
      @thorerik 4 роки тому +15

      @@justd3fy no, the impeller is facing the wrong way:
      www.researchgate.net/profile/John_Anagnostopoulos/publication/228664782/figure/fig3/AS:667634819403779@1536187953532/Sketch-of-a-centrifugal-pump-impeller.png
      The impeller should rotate towards the pressure side.

    • @Chaoddity
      @Chaoddity 4 роки тому +6

      @@thorerik I went back through the video and you are indeed correct.
      Direction of rotation is clockwise from the back (outlet facing right): 8:29
      Direction of the impellers requires clockwise from the front (outlet facing left): 5:08
      the impeller needs to be taken out and turned around the other way. If he simply spun it the other way with the outlet where it is he would get some hellish eddies
      Honestly, this is the kind of design I would use for an air blower or vacuum not a water pump.
      A metal shaft and blades might have helped too.

  • @michaelrosenberg9008
    @michaelrosenberg9008 4 роки тому +341

    You got so close and just said “eh whatever “ 😂 all you needed was a metal shaft and your gasket would’ve worked and you need to prime the pump but it’d have done the job

    • @christopherjones2301
      @christopherjones2301 4 роки тому +5

      No. The forces that these pumps go through are extreme. Traditional centrifugal pump vanes are usually made of glass reinforced plastic and have extra reinforcement designed into the impeller just to handle the forces that are exerted on them. That large pump design was designed to fail, and I'm shocked that it wasn't the vanes that did.

    • @DSmartLife
      @DSmartLife 4 роки тому +7

      @@christopherjones2301 Yeah true, but in this case he made a very clear mistake. The impeller vanes/fins are wrong. It should be the opposite. We can compare to the commercial pump at 3:25 to the DIY one at 5:00. I dunno how Scott can miss it and commit such a fatal mistake. I hope he rectifies it and try with a metal shaft, it will definitely work to pump water if not on very high power.

    • @Zloy_nub
      @Zloy_nub 4 роки тому +7

      what else do you expect? this video was made just to show that trinamic board

    • @Rc2Go
      @Rc2Go 4 роки тому

      Christopher Jones yea no kidding, I fix pool pumps and the impeller is 1/4 the size of that thing on the orange pump he made. Meanwhile on pool pumps they are about 1-2 horsepower

    • @Ben333bacc
      @Ben333bacc 4 роки тому

      @@DSmartLife It rotates the correct way. See later footage... Notice the rotation of the motor coupler??

  • @officer_baitlyn
    @officer_baitlyn 4 роки тому +170

    9:16
    anyone with a 3d printer saw that one coming since 4:20
    such a small cross section of 3d printed material is really weak
    especially when printed along layer lines

    • @l3d-3dmaker58
      @l3d-3dmaker58 4 роки тому +4

      especially in PETG, PLA has the strongest layer bonding of the "low temp" materials unless you go to high temp like nylon in a heated chamber

    • @blubb7711
      @blubb7711 4 роки тому +9

      @@l3d-3dmaker58 And PLA flexes less and the biggest mistake he made, is not actually using to bearing, but letting the shaft flapping in the breeze.

    • @ddegn
      @ddegn 4 роки тому +10

      The was a pretty obvious problem even to those of us who haven't used a 3D printer yet.
      At least he leaves the comments open to let people tell him what he did wrong. Some UA-cam technical channels delete comments pointing out errors. The Raspberry Pi Guy has contributed to many destroyed boards because of bad directions. He deletes comments pointing out his serious mistakes.

    • @Alobster1
      @Alobster1 4 роки тому +1

      Yup I would have printed that piece separately oriented another direction and glued it in. Or just used a metal rod.

    • @BrainSlugs83
      @BrainSlugs83 4 роки тому +3

      @@Alobster1 even printed in a different direction, it still would have broke. Just get a small/cheap section of m6 threaded rod, and it would have been fine.

  • @TheFinalRevelation1
    @TheFinalRevelation1 4 роки тому +20

    I noticed this in the first instance. I have made my own pumps but without 3d printing. I made small pumps by casting exposy resin and grinding it down. Now all you need to do is screw in proper shaft and add a waterproof bearing. These you could get from old blenders. Yes, the size will be large but you can adjust your shaft to be thick in the middle.

    • @jonjohnson102
      @jonjohnson102 3 роки тому +1

      Remember, this is a sponsored video

  • @Nothwarren
    @Nothwarren 4 роки тому +64

    Did you see the "rocinante" and the drawing of the ship from the expense on the ship ? Nice touch ahah

    • @1234fishnet
      @1234fishnet 4 роки тому +7

      I saw it. Hi five "Nerd". ;-)

    • @Unemerix
      @Unemerix 4 роки тому +6

      Loyal soldier of the MCRN im glad im not the only one

    • @ambulocetusnatans
      @ambulocetusnatans 4 роки тому

      To na kang setóp da mesach!
      Detim imim finyish du wa ting, im ye fo sémpere.

    • @-Yogo
      @-Yogo 4 роки тому

      Da Rosi im gútegow xitim!

  • @honich-eriker
    @honich-eriker 4 роки тому +8

    8:52 „… does not work well with my small balls.” :-D

  • @TheFinalRevelation1
    @TheFinalRevelation1 4 роки тому +40

    I'm watching your channel after a long time. Used to watch it regularly. Great to see you grow so big.

  • @MrDaniyalAh
    @MrDaniyalAh 4 роки тому +293

    Should have tried a metal shaft. The rest could be 3d printed

    • @alvarodiaz2221
      @alvarodiaz2221 4 роки тому +11

      yeah, first thing I though. Design a pump with less flow load and use a metal shaft. The massive eccentricity between the rotor and motor also did not help at all (the wobbling shaft)

    • @MCtomgie
      @MCtomgie 4 роки тому +5

      Also didn't help that his 3d printer wasn't properly calibrated. You could see the top layer lines peeling away

    • @DutchStar
      @DutchStar 4 роки тому +2

      Tomgie yes METAL for all shafts and hinges.

    • @alvarodiaz2221
      @alvarodiaz2221 4 роки тому

      @@christianscandi yeah, while the thing in the upper layer is a problem (one that I'm having right now) it doesn't seem to have caused any failure at all

    • @Drxxx
      @Drxxx 4 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/aXcEiOuWKx4/v-deo.html&t DIY is winner!!!!
      i used motor direkt on impeller.. make 10meters lift.

  • @maggiorenne1
    @maggiorenne1 4 роки тому +37

    Any other "The Expanse" fans caught the reference? :D

    • @1234fishnet
      @1234fishnet 4 роки тому

      Yes I got it. Hi five "Nerd". ;-)

    • @mechanicalcyborg3686
      @mechanicalcyborg3686 4 роки тому

      First thing I noticed when he displayed the board on screen!😁

    • @SKYWURX
      @SKYWURX 4 роки тому

      Massive smile when I saw that! Kudos to Trinamatic

  • @sparkyprojects
    @sparkyprojects 4 роки тому +161

    The vanes on the orange pump curve the wrong way, that would put more strain on the shaft, although the shaft sould be bigger or replaced with metal

    • @maxk4324
      @maxk4324 4 роки тому +8

      Also he's spinning it the wrong way even for the given vane direction (ie trying to suck through the outlet) I'm not sure he realised this though as he still tried to use the intended outlet as the outlet. I think you can even see it push a bit of air into the bath tub water near the end.
      Edit: I was wrong, see Daniel's comment bellow for why. Short answer is that centrifugal force wins out over any effects that the blade angle or curvature could impose.

    • @sparkyprojects
      @sparkyprojects 4 роки тому +3

      Not sure about that, he was hand turning it the right way, but much like wagon wheels on western movies, the shaft could look as though it's turning the wrong way when powered.

    • @danielrouw2593
      @danielrouw2593 4 роки тому +4

      @@maxk4324 vane curve has very little effect on centrifugal pumps. Direction will effect it but not reverse flow.

    • @xeigen2
      @xeigen2 4 роки тому

      @@maxk4324 It will still pump water, even with the vanes curved the wrong way. It will just be very inefficient because it causes a lot of turbulence, the pump is fighting itself. But the fundamental principles of centrifugal pumps mean it will never reverse flow. In-fact forward curved centrifugal pumps do exist but are mainly used in air pumps and tend to have smaller vanes closer to the edge of the impeller.

    • @AndyPue
      @AndyPue 4 роки тому +1

      @@danielrouw2593 The curve has a high effect on the flow dynamics inside the pump.
      seeing them at 5:00 they are the wrong way. They should be curved in the rotation direction, so they "throw water" into the outlet part - not shovel it in circles.
      The turn direction by hand was correct there.

  • @SebaSera94
    @SebaSera94 4 роки тому +82

    Why didn't you make a 5mm hole in the rotor and put a M5 bolt to be used as a strong shaft? I think your huge pump could work well! 💪

    • @shno_deela6986
      @shno_deela6986 2 роки тому

      He wouldn't be able to seal it since a shaft seal can't work on threads

  • @MarinusMakesStuff
    @MarinusMakesStuff 4 роки тому +4

    I bet that Trinamic are great 'The Expanse' fans :) Lovely print on that chip!!

  • @dtesta
    @dtesta 4 роки тому +6

    "I noticed the big tubes did not work well with my small balls (bowls)" Funny :)

  • @tylercollins4125
    @tylercollins4125 4 роки тому +88

    9:26 they probably used the motor shaft instead of a 3d printed one, judging by how close the motor is to the impeller

    • @rueebliortak
      @rueebliortak 4 роки тому +10

      its also badly printed, the layers look terrible

    • @joshuasorensen1346
      @joshuasorensen1346 4 роки тому

      Having printed one of those tiny ones, I can confirm that it does use the motor shaft. The impeller just friction fits directly onto the motor shaft.

    • @s.sradon9782
      @s.sradon9782 4 роки тому

      @@rueebliortak no, it is clear that the parts were printed on a raft, however this should not affect the shear strength of the shaft.

    • @luca_sbll
      @luca_sbll 4 роки тому

      @@s.sradon9782 The layers being perpendicular to the shaft certainly contributed to its weakness and failure. Also, he printed the fins the wrong way around, which creates more drag and stresses the shaft a lot more. Still, a metal shaft would have been a much better idea

  • @mosta5
    @mosta5 4 роки тому +36

    You could use a long m4 screw with two washers to act as a shaft . It would be more durable

  • @reasonablebeing5392
    @reasonablebeing5392 4 роки тому

    I designed a similar project a few years ago. I used a submersible aquarium pump which is self-priming with magnetic drive. You need to ensure that not only the flow is good but the "head" or how high the pump can pump the water is also adequate. I had some hanging plants. Interested in seeing the control and measurement part of the design.

  • @rominhawk3949
    @rominhawk3949 4 роки тому

    Great Scott, you are great. Thank you for all your awesome videos.
    You can always replace the plastic impeller shaft with a metal one.

  • @homo_sapiens_sapiens
    @homo_sapiens_sapiens 4 роки тому +126

    7:38 *The Expanse* fans? 🚀

  • @aleks138
    @aleks138 4 роки тому +36

    the sweep angle of the 3d printed vanes is backwards.

  • @anandsingh8987
    @anandsingh8987 4 роки тому

    Awesome, the same I was trying to get a automatic water supply solution for my garden, which works on three input (humidity/moisture, time and temperature)

  • @nosafetyswitch9378
    @nosafetyswitch9378 4 роки тому +3

    Instead of printing the shaft as a cylinder, you can rotate the model in the slicer 90deg and print it so that the layers are parallel to the axis of the shaft. This will add a TONNE of strength compared to your current design. You will have a lot of supports to remove in the end it won't looks as pretty bu it will be hidden anyway😉

  • @HighVoltageMadness
    @HighVoltageMadness 4 роки тому +18

    Use a metal shaft for the impeller and it will work perfectly. I have made several 3d printed pumps with no issues. Simply attach the impeller directly to the metal shaft of the motor. I understand that it wasn't worth your time though. Also your pump impeller had blades that are curved in the wrong direction. they need to be curved backwards to the direction of rotation.

  • @TRMrStone
    @TRMrStone 4 роки тому +36

    0:08, yeah, the "winter" in Germany now is incredible!

    • @batery5156
      @batery5156 4 роки тому +2

      Ja da skokmt aber noch

    • @goodfis624
      @goodfis624 4 роки тому +2

      Hello from Russia. Its from -1 to +1 for last 2 months insted of usual -10/-20. Its best winter in my memory and i'm loving it. We're starting to think global warming isnt a bad thing after all.

    • @TRMrStone
      @TRMrStone 4 роки тому +1

      @@goodfis624 Shit 😂, my sister is sad because here isn't even snow. And we have like 7-13 instead of - 5 - 3 or colder / warmer

    • @TRMrStone
      @TRMrStone 4 роки тому

      @@batery5156 mal hoffen, will Rodeln D:

    • @batery5156
      @batery5156 4 роки тому

      @@TRMrStone lebt im Harz da war ich mal im Winter war so geil bin da auch mal vom Berg mit demm Schlitten gefahren besste Zeit ever fahren halt nur 3 Stunden dahin

  • @ErikBongers
    @ErikBongers 4 роки тому

    Even before you started, I had two likely problems in mind: water-sealing the shaft and stresses on 3D-printed parts. Concerning the stresses, I would think a metal shaft with a hole that holds a nail, to support the plastic propeller would be an easy DIY solution. But what would be an easy way to water-seal the rotating shaft?

  • @MrZenerTech
    @MrZenerTech 4 роки тому

    You can always make parts like the shaft thicker to increase strength.
    Additionally, there are many other materials you can print with, such as carbon fiber, to get much stronger parts.
    I would consider magnetically coupling the impeller instead of a direct drive. Also, I would experiment with different blade design to make for more efficient fluid transfer.

  • @laser69beam
    @laser69beam 4 роки тому +51

    Dude you need an aquarium ;)))
    And at 5:09 the pump vanes are backwards bud
    6:08 STILL BACKWARDS...!!!!! ;)))
    If you have the canes in the correct orientation then it might not fight itself and won’t have such stress forces.

    • @killallfornothing
      @killallfornothing 4 роки тому +3

      You forget about plastic axle what is not fitting to bearing... It is better to use real sealing like simmering or o-ring. It is also better to make small one with higher rpm than bigger with lower.

    • @honza3304
      @honza3304 4 роки тому +1

      Yes, they are! It's kind of disappointment. From mechanical point of view this pump is terrible ...

    • @TheRealMMC
      @TheRealMMC 3 роки тому

      Its not necessarily his fault that the pump vanes were backwards. Remember that he used a user created file that he just downloaded and printed.

  • @dr.rumack7668
    @dr.rumack7668 4 роки тому +4

    Nice experiment there. I enjoy your sunday videos every time. A steel shaft for the impeller(fine tuned inner diameter for the shaft) with two 608s in line would improve things. Mach weiter so!!!

  • @MrSopuli3
    @MrSopuli3 4 роки тому +6

    That was such a wrong use of teflon tape in the beginning
    I love it

  • @er.kakshshah2868
    @er.kakshshah2868 4 роки тому

    Great job mr scott you proved that everything is possible by ourselves. I really appreciate your work and dedication.

  • @matkany
    @matkany 4 роки тому +3

    Please do the irigation automatization. It would help a lot.

  • @matsandersen6119
    @matsandersen6119 4 роки тому +21

    the diameter of the impeller axle shaft, made me react instantly :-) Otherwise it was a nice video

    • @luca_sbll
      @luca_sbll 4 роки тому

      Not the biggest issue honestly

  • @shanthakumarasiri4910
    @shanthakumarasiri4910 4 роки тому

    Dear Greatscott,
    Thank you very much for giving us Directions for our DIY projects through your experiments ...

  • @FalconicofPern
    @FalconicofPern 4 роки тому +1

    I feel like this boils down to your R&D restrictions: there are numerous solutions that all might help fix the issues with DIY that you found. Perhaps try to use those solutions when you actually get to implementing it in your greenhouse system. Printing in another direction or not with the layered extrusion method might help, or using metal parts for things like the shaft will very likely solve it. Great video even if it was less conclusive than you like to be, time constraints are tough to work with! :)

  • @redkeks9992
    @redkeks9992 4 роки тому +9

    Why didn't you try that with other materials? (in the 3D Printer)

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  4 роки тому +11

      Well, I could have tried ABS. But I doubt that ABS would have been the solution. It would have been better to use metal for the wheel shaft. The rest of the pump might have been able to deal with the forces. But then again there were a bit more problems with the 3D printed pump that did not make it in the video. I think even if I invested more hours in the DIY pump, the result would not have been that much better. That is why I decided to stop as soon as I realized that PETG could not handle the forces.

    • @redkeks9992
      @redkeks9992 4 роки тому +1

      But waht is wiht PLA?

    • @greatscottlab
      @greatscottlab  4 роки тому +9

      PLA can take less forces than PETG and ABS.

    • @Krmpfpks
      @Krmpfpks 4 роки тому +4

      @@greatscottlab PLA is definitively stronger than PETG and ABS but it is more brittle and not water tight. Maybe a steel shaft and nylon for the impeller would work.

    • @miawgogo
      @miawgogo 4 роки тому +3

      @@greatscottlab How was the shaft sliced, would slicing it in a different way mean it wouldn't shear like it did

  • @felipe_andres
    @felipe_andres 4 роки тому +6

    You need make a second part for upgrade and fix the pump.

  • @imakeitwhynot
    @imakeitwhynot 4 роки тому

    haha I like the sound of defeat in " Buy is this time, like most of the time, the winner".

  • @liquidsonly
    @liquidsonly 4 роки тому

    I have that Chinese exact pump. It's been sitting at the bottom of a water butt for two years. Still working. It switches on when the soil gets dry. I designed a capacitatave sensor thing to activate the pump. It moslty works. I added a float sensor so that it never runs when the water butt was empty. Happy plants.

  • @pantherdev0123
    @pantherdev0123 4 роки тому +9

    Idk why, but i really like water pumps

  • @pesterenan
    @pesterenan 4 роки тому +4

    Every video he says "Stay Creative" his voice gets up a tone xD

  • @milosilic3977
    @milosilic3977 4 роки тому

    Ahh, look at that Noctua fan on 3D printer! Beautiful! :)

  • @andricode
    @andricode 4 роки тому +1

    I did a same type with an old vhs tape motor. Its powerful even with 6Volts.
    I used two soda caps and a lot of hot glue
    But the wheel was flat. Not rounded

  • @blenderNOOb69
    @blenderNOOb69 4 роки тому +5

    Your impeller is wrong. As it is, it tries to draw inverts.

  • @Trian111
    @Trian111 4 роки тому +12

    second attempt with metal shaft?

  • @ferh12
    @ferh12 4 роки тому

    oh my that pcb with the Rocinante spaceship from The Expanse looks awesome

  • @blakdeth77
    @blakdeth77 4 роки тому +1

    lol I like the Expanse reference on the speed controller.

  • @TTrevolverheldTT
    @TTrevolverheldTT 4 роки тому +7

    The Expanse :D 7:35

  • @Dreez
    @Dreez 4 роки тому +3

    00:14 I totally *NEED* that 😋

  • @davidbranquinho4796
    @davidbranquinho4796 4 роки тому

    Love your videos bud. Been a subscriber for a while now and never miss a video. Keep up the good work.

  • @MyTubeSVp
    @MyTubeSVp 4 роки тому

    Great video. I have done quite some 3D printing myself, and I saw the weak point from a mile away ... 😀👍

  • @PrajjalakChattopadhyay
    @PrajjalakChattopadhyay 4 роки тому +4

    Next episodes of Greatscott:
    LEDs - DIY or buy?
    p-n junctions - DIY or buy?
    n-type silicon - DIY or buy?
    silicon crystal - DIY or buy?
    sand - DIY or buy?
    🤣🤣

  • @joshm264
    @joshm264 4 роки тому +4

    2:43 why do I find this funny

  • @alastairchestnutt6416
    @alastairchestnutt6416 4 роки тому

    Always appreciate your videos, buy vs build. Keep up the good work. Thanks

  • @RogerWilco1
    @RogerWilco1 4 роки тому +1

    Hadn’t heard of Trinamic. Now I have, checked out their site. Just what I needed! Good sponsor to have.

  • @cybersholt
    @cybersholt 4 роки тому +3

    Never seen anyone use Teflon tape on barb fittings before....

  • @hugowoesthuis
    @hugowoesthuis 4 роки тому +8

    3:43 That's what she said...

    • @mr.coolio4321
      @mr.coolio4321 3 роки тому

      ...
      *sighs now that all faith is lost in humanity

    • @hugowoesthuis
      @hugowoesthuis 3 роки тому

      @@mr.coolio4321 2020 isn't over yet!

  • @boblewis5558
    @boblewis5558 4 роки тому

    Large pump is worth a revisit BUT using:
    1. A stainless steel shaft instead of the plastic one
    2. Stainless lock nut on the outside end of the shaft, captive bolt head at the inside
    3. Use normal bathroom silicone sealant bead to seal the outside cap
    4. Probably MOST important ... Use a sealed bearing AND shaft water seal on the inside between the bearing, the shaft and the housing
    Great video as usual.

  • @dabe00
    @dabe00 4 роки тому

    @GreatScott Hey I love the DIY vs BUY series, it answers so many questions that I think about myself! I'd like to suggest you do one for a water valve, I think the comercial solutions there leave more to be desired and the outcome could be different this time 🙄

  • @the9tailsupersaiyan
    @the9tailsupersaiyan 4 роки тому +17

    Nobody:
    Great Scott: *H O T G L U E*

    • @hempbear
      @hempbear 4 роки тому +1

      When in doubt - hot snot it!

    • @TheRainHarvester
      @TheRainHarvester 4 роки тому

      I don't think it will hold. Especially with cold water after a few weeks.

  • @mgfails9274
    @mgfails9274 4 роки тому +11

    8:52. That's what she said :)

  • @An.Individual
    @An.Individual 4 роки тому

    Thanks for this interesting video.

  • @chrissimpson3451
    @chrissimpson3451 4 роки тому

    Go for a gear or screw pump, they are self priming. This might be a better option for your garden, as you will not need to fill your pump with water each time you need to water your plants. Gear and screw pumps can also be used to prime a centrifugal pump

  • @DD-DD-DD
    @DD-DD-DD 4 роки тому +6

    The design you chose is pretty terrible. Also not really comparable at all to the commercial one.

  • @XMaster96DE
    @XMaster96DE 4 роки тому +6

    I am watching you now for some years and normally enjoy your videos, but this was unfortunately your worst one.

  • @calvin-7540
    @calvin-7540 4 роки тому

    You may swap the PETG filament with ABS or Nylon Carbonate Fibre , these have a much greater strength properties comparing to PETG, and also the mechanical design of the 3d prints plays a crucial role to decide whether it is strong enough or not, that means you can improve the strength of the prints even if you using the same filament here

  • @mylesalexander2457
    @mylesalexander2457 4 роки тому

    I love the look on your face as you scowl at the garden out the window.

  • @TheOleHermit
    @TheOleHermit 4 роки тому

    I'm also into hydroponics and purchased the little tan pump from Amazon, w/o realizing how small it is. IMO, Shurflow pumps are among the most reliable, but much more expensive (depending upon the price of your time 🤔). I'll try the little pump to circulate HW in a radiant floor heating system for my new camper van build.
    IMO, the flaw in your 3D printed pump is that you should have used a stainless steel shaft all the way through the impeller with set (aka grub) screws holding them together (similar to your shaft coupling).

  • @cellist2410
    @cellist2410 4 роки тому

    Wtf?!? I looooove the motor controller board with the IC named Rocinante!!
    It's the ship from the expanse, but u guys knew that already. It's a must watch show!

  • @mythril4
    @mythril4 2 роки тому

    I'd say, if you want a custom fit and cavitation is not a concern, you can print one. If a person wanted to print that big orange one, they'd need to build a metal bolt plate which is coupled with a chrome or stainless metal shaft to hold the impeller which would then needs to pass through a bearing (double is better) and a mechanical lip seal. Obviously that is time consuming so often buying is better for basic use. One thing not often considered in most pump videos is the difference between a volume pump and pressure pump. If you were to insert a metal shaft into that big plastic impeller, it would ultimately chew out the center, this is simply due to the resistance of water across the given surface area.

  • @PyroRob69
    @PyroRob69 4 роки тому

    I used a small AC pond pump that is for waterfalls in backyard ponds. IT would have been much easier to control a small DC/AC relay or solid state relay with your Arduino. Also, the pond pumps are self-priming. You can get a 100 GPH pump for about $30 is you look around.

  • @anycatdessai
    @anycatdessai 4 роки тому

    Yet again we get projects exactly at the right moment. Logged into UA-cam after closing a dispute with AliExpress over failed delivery of a 12v water pump and voila! We now know how to make one ourselves.
    Some day in near future I think we need a material science class with regards to 3d printer materials.

  • @doxielain2231
    @doxielain2231 4 роки тому

    I use flexible filament for seals on outdoor long term timelapse cameras, and they work pretty well

  • @TheMrSakib
    @TheMrSakib 4 роки тому

    I've made small water pump with junk plastics, metal and dc motor. I've made the fan by cutting and and glueing plastics and metal. The performance is satisfactory for a small pump. The most important thing is I had fun doing it :)

  • @Twisted07
    @Twisted07 4 роки тому

    Hey GreatScott love your videos! I've been designing my own 3d printed pump as i'm not crazy about any of them designs on thingiverse, and thought i could do much better. So far I've been able to pump 5gl of water in just under 16 seconds running on a 4s lipo and a Traxxas Titan 775 10 turn motor, with a 1in inlet with a 3/4in out, I've taken the outlet down to 3/8 and got a 30ft stream out of the pump! I will be posting my design on thingiverse at some point, just few more little things i'd let to do. I'd like to get 50ft out of the pump for a water canon! :) I'll also be posting a video on this at some point as well, i'll have to post it once its completed. At this stage I've hooked a castle creations 2200kv brushless up out of my 1/8 RC truck and got about 38 to 40 ish feet out of the pump, but i think i may need a bigger inlet as it can suck itself dry with that kind of RPM.

  • @MigotRen
    @MigotRen 4 роки тому +1

    2:53 "and it seems the water can onlky enter this way , and exit that way"
    well i dont know what you were expecting but the last time i ckecked, centrifugal forces always paint outwards from the center of rotation. I mean its literaly called centrifugal pump.
    These basically create a more or less stable pressure difference between inlet and outlet. based on rpm.
    On the other hand there are positive displacemetn pumps that "trap" whatever they are transporting and transport it to the outlet. these have a fixed transport volume that is linear to the rpm. some like gear or scew pumps can work in both ways.

  • @skyoreece9805
    @skyoreece9805 4 роки тому

    Fantastic video and I'm glad you tried so hard. Love your videos and keep up the good work. X

  • @joinedupjon
    @joinedupjon 4 роки тому

    for a glasshouse I'd suggest trying rugged and low cost AC submersible pumps sold for fountains and aquariums - completely waterproof cos they're designed to work underwater - AC has less problems with electrolysis if some moisture does get in to your wiring.
    if self priming is required you could try to DIY a peristaltic pump - which also meters the amount of liquid pumped if you count revolutions.
    or for simple DIY pumping solution you could use an airlift pump

  • @SimonCas
    @SimonCas 4 роки тому

    I love this series

  • @buttersstotch2014
    @buttersstotch2014 3 роки тому

    I own an irrigation business and dang 2gpm is terrible for that amazon pump unless you’re doing drip/micro irrigation. I assume you’re using recycled water rain water or something and that’s why you’re using a pump? Irrigation booster pumps are a bit bigger but will definitely push more water at a higher psi.
    If you’re not using recycled water from a basin or barrel and you’re just using water from the town, you could just use a solenoid valve and hook that up to your microcontroller and sensors. Love to see an update to this

  • @sebastiano246
    @sebastiano246 4 роки тому

    great job man!

  • @MCsCreations
    @MCsCreations 4 роки тому

    Awesome job, dude! 😃
    The only thing I can think of is to modify the design to use a metal shaft. Maybe it could work. 😊

  • @cavosavosk
    @cavosavosk 4 роки тому

    When i was younger i built a couple of small water pumps and one thing to say never start with big one. Me and my friend tinkered with mamy designs ,diferent propelers, etc. After that we built one from old drill motor and pvc tube. She had very good flow it was frickin good even at 6 volts. It still needed some tinkering overall. I have it disassembled on my workbench and when the time comes i would definetly improve it.

  • @dozzed
    @dozzed 4 роки тому

    This video just need a second episode. It is so fun.

  • @CUBETechie
    @CUBETechie Місяць тому

    I have a 60L Tank with an DIN71 cap I want to use it to pump water from it to use it for watering plants on the cementary . Do you have an idea what can i Do?

  • @francescofabbri5398
    @francescofabbri5398 4 роки тому

    Amazing videos thanks!!

  • @martinest9458
    @martinest9458 4 роки тому

    Legendary video as always mate! Even with a metal shaft you would have had a leak from the shaft entry point at the bearing. Best is a mechanical seal, but for diy i would recommend a normal lip seal. You could have just printed a longer “hole” where your bearing went in and put a lip seal in there. For the lid normal motor silicone would of been fine. I Recommend, do not throw away the pump, just put a seal and a nice metal shaft to your impeller, you could even use a bolt for the shaft. And give it another go. The housing looks nice and the impeller is not too bad either.
    Next time don’t give up at ur first failure. The electric part with the motor and controller was brilliant.
    Nice work !

  • @rdyer8764
    @rdyer8764 4 роки тому

    I agree with many of the suggestions below. Also there seemed to be a lot of shaft vibration. Are you sure you had the correct size coupler for the printed shaft? It looked like it was moving eccentrically. Couplers with set screws are something I stay away from. Split clamps do a much better job of keeping things centered. However, either way, you need the correct size coupler for the shaft size.

  • @henterpeter4806
    @henterpeter4806 4 роки тому

    That automated greenhouse project that you mention at the beginning of the video sounds really interesting. Please keep us updated on that.

  • @clion520
    @clion520 3 роки тому

    I liked it, thx for the comment on the time to put things together.

  • @jagadishchakraborty6936
    @jagadishchakraborty6936 3 роки тому

    Very good video. You have not only printed a pump set but also discussed about its advantages and disadvantages. Some other UA-camrs are there who just takes credit of making a pump without any actual result.

  • @kozmaz87
    @kozmaz87 3 роки тому

    I found that shearing forces are the death of 3dprinted parts but can be easily fixed by desining in a bolt into such axles and the thing will stay in place. So your shaft can be printed with a smaller diameter bolt inside and it will work.

  • @brunorrfernandes
    @brunorrfernandes 4 роки тому +1

    please @greatScott during the creation of your green house, share how you do it, that way we can see the cool stuff such as humidity measures and auto watering

  • @trampampukaz
    @trampampukaz 4 роки тому

    Can't wait to see the green house project, I am planning to do that to

  • @chrismartin4892
    @chrismartin4892 3 роки тому

    Hey Greatscott, I definitely think you could have made your pump work using a stainless hexagon shaft which would mate inside of the plastic impeller (possibly glued on). And of course half of the shaft would need to be round to go through the bearing maybe this would cost to much but just an idea.

  • @wayahedia9989
    @wayahedia9989 4 роки тому

    I had this same problem. Get an RV style pump and a ballast. Works perfectly with hoses. Much less work than 3D printing. Shuts itself off, runs on 12V. Cheap. Extremely effective.

  • @oneguyontheinternet9998
    @oneguyontheinternet9998 3 роки тому

    My first time seeing this youtuber & I appreciate his efforts & I have subscribed.
    I do have a comment for all those who are coming across as critical. His purpose was determining whether it was worth diy or not. So he succeeded in his purpose. Realize that commercially manufactured pumps are (generally) designed by college educated engineers who are experienced in pump design. While I found many of the comments to be beneficial to my own education, it simply wasn't worth the time for him to research and learn all of that in order to accomplish his goal.

  • @FlapjackFritz
    @FlapjackFritz 4 роки тому

    What kind of stuff do you (or plan to) grow in your garden? I am really curious now.

  • @tntodorov
    @tntodorov 4 роки тому

    You could also print a negative of the wheel instead of the wheel itself and use this as a mold. Then place some thin strips of metal, cut and bent in the shape of the vanes out of aluminum or tin sheets, as reinforcement. Then pour in some epoxy. You could also add a metal shaft while you are at it... I bet that wheel would be strong enough.
    I think there are many great and easy suggestions in the rest of the comments to warrant a second part of this video ;-)