Part of the problem with the mindset within the Church of England and even the CoE evangelicals can be summed up by what Ed Shaw said at 2:26, he considers that it is a "negative" outcome that "irreconcilable differences" were exposed within CoE concerning views about sexuality and gender - it shows a pervasive attitude that divisive issues can be swept underneath the surface for the sake of unity. I consider it a positive and necessary action that light and truth shines in the darkness and shows up what is false teaching and that false teachers are seen as wolves. Even now, our evangelical leaders are unwilling to call out bishops who lead others into false teaching as heretics so that us sheep in CoE remain in unnecessary confusion.
As an American who would love to worship in a CofE church while traveling to the UK,I couldn't bring myself to do it with what's going on in the pulpit. Barely any men,overrun with female deacons and vicars,rife with LGBTQ+ people in the pulpit. Ick.
"come out from among them, be ye separate, touch not the unclean thing." Beware the "Laodaceans" who want to rule over the "laity" the church members.@@mitchmclean5435
@@mitchmclean5435 whilst I understand your sentiment, I have to strongly disagree. This crosses a 'red line' and undermines the entire denomination. I don't see how evangelicals can still remain the in the COE, and don't accept the CEEC view that new structures can and will be created which will provide suffecient legal and independent differentiation. My advise is get out now and work on forging a new path.
hmm. I guess the liberals Nd progressives want exactly that. All those faithful Christians over the centuries who have invested in the church, even on mine where there have been many legacies over the years from faithful believers. And you propose we hand that over to the wolves in sheep's clothing, and become refugees? And what if the new believers who have found Christ recently? The youth? The children? Do we abandon them to the tender mercies of those who have rejected scripture - what kind of spiritual parent leaves the little ones, fleeing trouble? Many of us live in small towns without that many other churches to go to, and in reality are not ready to plant new churches. It may come to that of course. They may well throw us out for defending the truth and scripture. They might do all sorts of abominable things in their wickedness. But you know that Christ is still on his throne you know.
I wonder about the repenting of homophobia thing. You see for many it seems that repenting of homophobia mens different things to dofferent people. If you have the view that this repenrance means total acceptance of all things same sex, then they will see that repentance as hollow or hypocritical. If it is about welcoming all leople to the throne of grace, and loving people, then I dont currently knoe of anyone who would dream of not doing so, and as such have nothibg to repent of. To thus "repent" would also be hyposritical. All who call on the name, and make Jesus Lord will be saved, but part of this gospel is that there is repentance. To not do so is not to make him Lord. Therefore the exclusion may well be self imposed. We welcome all, and then make tje appeal of the gospel. We dont welcome all and say that the cleansing of amd fkrgiveness flr sin makes the sin holy, but we welcome the person. If however someone has an identity that makes them a familiar with sin the appeal ks to reject that.
There's plenty of 'LGPT people' who agree with the CEEC and disagree with the CofE. Also, just because someone says something is something-phobic, it doesn't mean that it is.
Part of the problem with the mindset within the Church of England and even the CoE evangelicals can be summed up by what Ed Shaw said at 2:26, he considers that it is a "negative" outcome that "irreconcilable differences" were exposed within CoE concerning views about sexuality and gender - it shows a pervasive attitude that divisive issues can be swept underneath the surface for the sake of unity. I consider it a positive and necessary action that light and truth shines in the darkness and shows up what is false teaching and that false teachers are seen as wolves. Even now, our evangelical leaders are unwilling to call out bishops who lead others into false teaching as heretics so that us sheep in CoE remain in unnecessary confusion.
Galatians 1:8-9. May they be accursed.
As an American who would love to worship in a CofE church while traveling to the UK,I couldn't bring myself to do it with what's going on in the pulpit. Barely any men,overrun with female deacons and vicars,rife with LGBTQ+ people in the pulpit. Ick.
Why should evangelicals remain in the COE, which in its modern iteration, is clearly now a non-Christian denomination?
Partly non-Christian
"come out from among them, be ye separate, touch not the unclean thing."
Beware the "Laodaceans" who want to rule over the "laity" the church members.@@mitchmclean5435
@@mitchmclean5435 whilst I understand your sentiment, I have to strongly disagree. This crosses a 'red line' and undermines the entire denomination. I don't see how evangelicals can still remain the in the COE, and don't accept the CEEC view that new structures can and will be created which will provide suffecient legal and independent differentiation. My advise is get out now and work on forging a new path.
@@grahammorgan1 My advice is to advocate for structural differentiation as the CEEC are doing
hmm. I guess the liberals Nd progressives want exactly that. All those faithful Christians over the centuries who have invested in the church, even on mine where there have been many legacies over the years from faithful believers.
And you propose we hand that over to the wolves in sheep's clothing, and become refugees?
And what if the new believers who have found Christ recently? The youth? The children? Do we abandon them to the tender mercies of those who have rejected scripture - what kind of spiritual parent leaves the little ones, fleeing trouble? Many of us live in small towns without that many other churches to go to, and in reality are not ready to plant new churches. It may come to that of course.
They may well throw us out for defending the truth and scripture. They might do all sorts of abominable things in their wickedness.
But you know that Christ is still on his throne you know.
I wonder about the repenting of homophobia thing. You see for many it seems that repenting of homophobia mens different things to dofferent people.
If you have the view that this repenrance means total acceptance of all things same sex, then they will see that repentance as hollow or hypocritical.
If it is about welcoming all leople to the throne of grace, and loving people, then I dont currently knoe of anyone who would dream of not doing so, and as such have nothibg to repent of.
To thus "repent" would also be hyposritical.
All who call on the name, and make Jesus Lord will be saved, but part of this gospel is that there is repentance. To not do so is not to make him Lord. Therefore the exclusion may well be self imposed. We welcome all, and then make tje appeal of the gospel. We dont welcome all and say that the cleansing of amd fkrgiveness flr sin makes the sin holy, but we welcome the person.
If however someone has an identity that makes them a familiar with sin the appeal ks to reject that.
We may say we are not homophobic but as far as LGBT people are concerned we are.
There's plenty of 'LGPT people' who agree with the CEEC and disagree with the CofE. Also, just because someone says something is something-phobic, it doesn't mean that it is.
If we love LGBTQ people, Christians should tell them the truth of the Gospel as the truth sets them free.
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