Evolution Debunked in Less Than One Minute | Ustadh Dr. Ali Ataie
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- Dr. Ali Ataie gives spiritual insights about the paper arguments in the New Atheism movement (particularly Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, and Dennett) that has led many believers, including Muslims, to begin to question the existence of God.
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This talk was held at the SBIA Masjid Al-Mustafa in San Jose on October 24, 2014. It was delivered at the Muslim Community Center - East Bay (MCC East Bay) in Pleasanton, California.
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Ustadh Ali Ataie is a perennial student and researcher who has been involved in interfaith activities for over two decades. He holds a Masters in biblical studies with a focus on New Testament and biblical languages. He also holds a PhD in cultural and historical studies in religion from the Graduate Theological Union. His doctoral work focused on Muslim hermeneutics of biblical texts, especially the Gospel of John. He lives in San Ramon, CA with his wife Roya and three daughters. Learn more about him at zaytuna.edu/academics/faculty...
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Sidi Ali Ataie studied various Islamic sciences with local San Francisco Bay Area scholars. He is a graduate of the Badr Arabic Language Institute in Hadramawt, Yemen, and studied at the prestigious Dar al-Mustafa, also in Hadramawt, under some of the most eminent scholars in the world. He holds a Master’s Degree in Biblical Studies from the Graduate Theological Union in Berkeley (Oct. 2011), with emphasis upon the New Testament (he is the first Muslim seminarian in the over 150 year history of the school to earn this degree). He is certified in Arabic, Hebrew, and Biblical Greek, and is fluent in Farsi. He also holds a Ph.D. in Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics from the Graduate Theological Union (Oct. 2016) and is a professor of Arabic, Qur'an, and Comparative Theologies at Zaytuna College, the first accredited Muslim College in North America.
Education: M.A., Biblical Studies, Graduate Theological Union; Ph.D. Islamic Biblical Hermeneutics, Graduate Theological Union.
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You never get scientists telling us evolution didn't happen. So many well-funded creationists, and still they can't find a flaw in evolution that can be solved by creationism.
Fossilisation doesn't happen very often. It requires very specific circumstances for a fossil to form. It's amazing that there are any.
Trillions ? What is he talking about
Yes trillions. If not more
@@TrevoltIV says who are where
@@TrevoltIV
In what peer reviewed scientific journal does it state 'TRILLIONS'?
I don't think he knows.
@@Jack44M I have trillions of articles from Young Earth Creation Magazine that proves it. BTW it's not peer-reviewed because scientists are conspiring against true science.
I’m more interested in what a professor of evolutionary biology has to say on evolution than a scholar of biblical hermeneutics
well the concepts overlap so he has to mention them, but yeah he shoulda done better research. but how could he? Confirmation bias
Right??? Who'd ask a carpenter how neurology works ?
Well, there are some evolutionary biologists who don't fully agree with all aspects of it, right or wrong, they exist
Charles Darwin envisioned a vast number of transitional forms in the evolutionary process.
In "On the Origin of Species," he suggested that the number of these transitional links between all living and extinct species must have been "inconceivably great."
I think it's pretty clear, I mean Darwin himself said it.
Hundreds of thousands of fossils have been found.
Every species is a transitional form
Trillions is a lie. Basically, what this guy is saying is "I don't understand therefore fake". The fossil record is gigantic and this guy does not know what he's talking about.
How many human fossils/neandrathal and other transitional species that lead to humans have we found?
So what thousands? Mutations in Evolution are small and take a long time many generations. You wouldnt expect a ape to become a homosapien in only a few thousand mutations.
"Trillions is a lie." Okey so, how do you how many transitional species there is then ?
"Basically, what this guy is saying is "I don't understand therefore fake"." No, He's simply saying that you're claiming that there are hundreds, if not thousands, if not more transitional species without you having any factual evidence for that claim. And when you look at the fossil record, you realise that he's right.
The fossil record is not huge, none of the fossils are complete, and there are no real transitional species, not even Tiktaalik or Archaeopteryx. So simply saying "look at the fossil record, it's gigantic, it's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about" isn't going to give you any more credibility, but on the contrary when you know the reality of things. And I speak as a former ardent evolutionist.
@@MuslimTruth91who told you that there are no transitional fossils? They are lying to you. You just mentioned two there are many more.
wow, we just transformed like from an anime, transformed suddenly from an ape to semi human and then suddenly to human, how absurd.
Does bro even know how fosslization works
No.
He also says on another vid that Decartes is "the father of Western Philosophy" -- so much for Socrates.
Because its not so easy for things to fosslize it makes trying to prove the tree of life even more difficult. Looks like you don't know how it all fits.
The fact that people here agree with him is worrying
Because he is just right.
@@MuslimTruth91Smartest Abdul
Praise ALLAH SWT'
"I dont understand evolution therefore it is fake!"
Bro are you an evolutionary biologist or anyone qualified to speak against this widely accepted scientific theory by the science community?
yes
nope
@@theosmanturk obviously not.
Any scientist that speaks against it is kicked out and won’t find a job. It became a cult, that u can’t even try to disprove it without being harassed. If it’s a true theory, why can’t they do it in a lab and test it?
Well, I have a bit of basic knowledge about the subject of evolution, and I can tell u he is right. We only found about 12 fosiles that are supposed to be the transition between apes and Homo sapien sapien.
The nomenclature has long been adjusted, though. This idea of "transitional forms" has fallen out of use. The only ones that keep using it are Christians and Muslims. You can't pinpoint a transitional form. Any individual biological organism has its own morphological features and functions. Trillions of transitional organisms implies that there's an end result that is being worked towards, and that all of these preceding trillions of individuals were just there to get from A to B. You might as well view each individual as the final result, which would in fact be somewhat accurate, from the perspective of the individual, while it's alive, as it would exist in the present moment, and be the latest form to have emerged. This would apply to all organisms then. The problem here is that the dividing lines are rough and somewhat arbitrary. How do you draw the line; "This is species A, and this is A, and that's A, but now here we have B!"? While the process is gradual, involving many individuals reproducing, and passing down mutations. The fossil record is huge, but fossilization is in fact very rare, and we can't get a clear-cut evolutionary journey from A to B represented in actual fossils. You find windows in time; snapshots, and with enough findings, you can start to connect the dots. If this evolutionary process never happened, you'd expect to find the fossil of a modern day cat among fossilized dinosaur remains. So gradual morphological changes over long spans of time seems to be how life on Earth diversified. So what? Does that disprove the existence of God? I don't see how. If you don't think that the changing of the Earth's continents over time disproves God, or that speleology disproves God, or that meteorlogy disproves God, then why would evolution be such a big problem? You can just say that if this is how organisms diversified; then that's how God created it all. What's the problem here? The problem here is singular. There's literally one part of the theory of evolution that theists might object to, which obviously pertains to mankind itself. Adam did not evolve from a preceding lifeform. Does that mean that the whole theory of evolution is false? Does Islam spell out how creatures come to be? It does, in some cases. Adam and Eve, of course, but then there's also the belief in the bodily resurrection in the hereafter, which entails the reanimation of the entire human race, without anyone having to be born, or having to evolve. Angels are created in a different manner. Devils are created from a smokeless flame of fire; electricity possibly. A figruine of a bird is created from clay by a prophet of God, and given the spark of life. A camel emerges out of the side of a rock-cliff. A staff transforms into a coiling serpent. There will be bananas in Paradise; disconnected from the bananatrees we have here on Earth right now. Not evolved, but similar; they're still fruits. There exist beings that are uniquely created, such as the anti-Christ, perhaps the Jasaasah (i.e. some kind of demonic sasquatch), the Buraq, right? Not a mule or horse, as it has wings and can enter the higher realities of creation; so disconnected from other animals. But as to the rest of the organisms that live on the Earth; extant and extinct: the Qur'an doesn't specify the modality for. God creates whatever He wills, however He wills. Besides, according to Islamic occasionalism, there isn't any real cause and effect in the world anyway, so even if evolution for the majority of organisms appears to have happened; then everything that ever happens in the universe, at any point in time, needs to be brought into existence by God, and as a present moment passes, so does everything that is, and the non-existence of the universe is simply what we refer to as "a moment ago". Creation is constantly emerging. It's not chaotic, it's not random, but it's also not because of preceding contingent events, as everything that is now is annihilated right as the next set of incidental characteristics emerge. Evolution is change. And change is the cessation of one characteristic, state or being, and the emergence of a new reality. Cessation and emergence is annihilation and creation. If anything, the gradual morphological changes of organisms only proves the existence of the Creator. I refuse to blindly accept the false dichotomy presented to us by both sides of the conflict. I.e. evolution or creation. What about evolution IS creation. Evolution needs to be created, whereas creation doesn't need evolution.
From the Abrahamic faiths it's the believe about Adam and Eve in paradise then banished and sent to the earth. Don't you see why evolution contradicts it. If you mean evolution as in humans have changed in shapes,sizes, and other features then maybe not. But evolution where we somehow split from monkeys millions of years ago and that all living things were once a single cell or whatever the usual nonsense is then you cannot believe both in conjunction with one another. Unfortunately when people say they believe in evolution they mean they believe in the common ancestor between us and monkeys and all other living things
it is common knowledge that the fossil records have gaps, this whole theory is nothing more than an assumption that can easily be falsified. you stated that the idea of transitional forms has fallen out of use, and well I wonder why? because they would never be able to prove such a baseless theory as you admitted when you stated: "You can't pinpoint a transitional form.". you attempted to address his arguments by listing the numerous problems with this theory. you state that the process is gradual, yet there is no evidence in regards to this matter especially if the fossil records have gaps. and is understood to have gaps.
now in Islam, evolution goes against what the Quran states for a detailed answer check out IslamQ&A
Where can I read more on this
Bro I know I am a year late, and I NEVER reply to such old comments, but thank you very much for this comment.
People who deny evolution think different species all just popped out of nowhere with magic?
not necessarly magic but it's a miracle
Bro you know evolution is a theory right not a fact. And darwin admitted it has many flaws
@@youssefamr8073 bruh a theory remains a theory until it is disproved. Gravity is a theory too, do you deny gravity?
@@youssefamr8073 Theories in science are 100% factual until proven false, scientific theories don’t work the same as conspiracy theories.
Wait, thats exactly what u believe happened with the universe 💀
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What about micro evolution
Life hasn’t been on earth long enough for these transitions to be possible
What is your source for this?
Then current day humans shouldn't have even appeared yet.
bruv.
first off, YES, life could’ve evolved. Life has been on earth for 3.8 BILLION years. Multiply 3..8B * 365 and it goes over 1 trillion, so a bit
less than how many days there have been on earth, probably by a LOT. so yes, humans could have evolved, disproving the idea that the only option could be everything was spawned into existence.
@@Def_7470”could have”, your argument is merely a speculation, the fossil gaps are way to big as was demonstrated in the video for anyone to consider this to even be a possible. It is a theory, and theories are falsifiable, meaning they can be proven to be wrong. So I don’t understand why atheists speak of evolution as a certainty, when this theory has so many holes. And it is a “theory”, which would be proven wrong according science if they find a reason to state otherwise. This whole theory really is blind faith, baseless and purely assumptions.
Their brains haven’t still evolved though. 😂
If you're going to critique a theory, at least take the proper time to understand it.
How would you substantiate this claim about trillions of transitional forms?
This claim is just as ridiculous as the point it's opposing.
If humans have gone through millions of years of evolution and the height of human life span rn is 150 years (being really generous) then for the evolutionary argument saying that it took millions of years for evolution, all the dead bodies of those transitional beings must be some where. Thats MILLIONS of years, so we must find millions if not billions of these fossils somewhere unless you propose it was just a few transitional species alive that lived for hundreds of thousands of years at a time which is why we cant find the rest of the fossils that is.
It’s actually true, it’s what Darwin said, that fossil record will show eventually a #countless number of transitions that accrued from one animal to the other.
Yet there is no countless, there is none that can be a true evidence.
Yeah Darwin's entire chapter "Problems with the Theory" is now missing from his own book. He wrote "If there are no transistional species found, my theory is wrong" so now they've lied against him as well.
hey, can you please link me some source surrounding this? thanks.
We do have have transitional species though. If we didn't I would give it to you but we have numerous transitional species.
Can you back this up with evidence?
Well yeah of course they've lied. That's Satan's entire personality lol. Deceive, steal, lie, destroy.
@@calewood1574 Name a single one that's actually a transitional species and not either an ancient ape or ancient human that in reality is superior to us.
We'll never have all those trillions because not every single living thing on the planet gets preserved.
Tell me you don’t know anything about evolution without telling me
Sad isn't it
I think you proved your own point 🤣🤣
This community is amazing!!!
Why roach/cockroach just little evolving from hundred millions years ago ?
Evolution not applied to them ?
if it ain't broke....
So question for the atheist what is the purpose of the universe what are we here what’s the reason Ik your reason of how the earth was created an explosion but why are we here
"aNyTh1nG i DoNt UnDeRsTaNd mUsT bE FaLsE!!1!!!"
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How do you know that it's trillions?
Or let's say, how do you know it's not 3?
And is it the number of distinct species between nowadays' humans and the common ancestor you're talking about or is it the number of genes being changed in the process?
Yet you don't provide any plausible scientific explanation for the biological data we have. That's all what we just ask for. Yet we get nothing but religious and emotional rhetoric.
Why is it not possible for God to use evolution as a tool? Is the speaker a microbioligist?
what do you mean?
what’s your question
@Linux user so u deny the evolution of species? Do u really think God created from nothing birds and everything. In the beginning there where not animals , they evolved 😊
Because why would God need that incredibly inefficent "tool" when He can just snap his fingers and bring all life into existence? Also evolution is impossible because our earth is fine tuned to use different symbiotic relationships to keep the ecological systems working perfectly balanced. Predators are needed to keep the rest under control, but if they were too powerful they would eat all of them so they are perfectly fine tuned. Bees could not exist without flowers, and flowers could not exist without bees. To say bees or flowers could evolve is nonsensical since they both need each other to survive. Many other examples exist, almost every single thing on earth is symbiotic, relying on others to exist at all. Coral reefs is another good example, take just one animal out of the system and the whole thing crashes and burns.
@@TrevoltIV LMAO
So what do you suggest? That they are created as they were? Without ever evolved?
He didn't suggest a thing
He just debunked darwinian non-sense.
We dont come from apes.. we share a common ancestor i dont know why people dont get this.
trillions of mutations does not mean trillions of completely different visible forms. You just don't understand how evolution works.
Finally somebody says it!!! Thank you!!!!
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We were made by “mud”, and then moulded into shape as a being 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Atheists think we came from nothing yet find it unfathomable to think we came from mud.. hypocrisy at its finest.
Are you muslim
Hahahahaha and earth,sun moon formed in 6 days
@@lawji Time is relative, 6 days "there" can be trillons of years here.
I'm not making this up, in Islamic tradition there are hadiths mentioning a day with Allah are 50.000 days of the Earth... and the number changes.
Time is relative, i thought you liked science xD, but you are using old atheists arguments that are debunked already.
@@JibreelProductions Exactly, I was expecting this response. Actually, if you consider the concept of the formation of Earth, trees, mountains, the sun, and the moon in six days, along with other events like Adam being formed from clay and Noah's Ark, they are mentioned in the Bible and then copied in the Quran. Therefore, Christians also attempt to provide similar explanations.
Now, returning to the topic at hand, even if I were to believe in this seemingly illogical notion, could you please inform me how many human days are equivalent to one day of God/Allah? Is it 1000? 50000?"
They say they believe in empiricism. Do tell how you see this morphology of species and where are the records of such data?
Facts. If ever there were such evolutionary transitions they are much less than expected and thus proving a guiding hand into the process.
not facts at all. we have TONS of transitional fossils, which is lucky because most animals didn't make it to fossilization. it requires special environments, and finding them requires being lucky.
I don't think ants and blue whales are related
All life is related
Lol, you have no idea what you're talking about. You just demonstrated that flawlessly.
Total misrepresentation of the theory of evolution...he has no idea what he is talking about.
Its a theory. Which is not a fact.
Gravity is also a theory
@@ZennZennster gravity existance has already proven, specifically gravity wave. It is detected by researcher at LIGO in america and VIRGO in italy
@@ZennZennster
Gravity is an observable fact checked theory
Darwinism is a theory based on assumptions
Not every theory is a fact
@@Hilman_Faiz Gravity exist as description of an effect but how to explain it precisely with all its facets (equations and etc) is still a theory. It is a good enough theory to work with in our current applications regardless.
@@klickklack3949 theory is observation and ASSUMPTION.
I would trust someone who is an educated professional in the matter for knowledge. I don't ask a baker whats wrong with my car, I ask a mechanic. Youre not a biologist my friend. God bless you and be well.
Hey, you don't have to trust him, if you have guts then answer his question...
@@salehahmad9342 he doesn’t have guts😅
I agree with you that you can't trust his knowledge on this matter but It is still interesting question to inquire about. May be some scientist will say , it doesn't need to or some will say it needs to have all those mutations and etc of other statements. I wouldn't trust media depiction on what scientist agree with also all the time. I'm in Muslim majority country and you will find some channels saying that scientist don't agree with X and Y because it fits what they believe. Same can go with the west btw. Also Not all scientist agree that the operators like mutation and crossover or their current form are sufficient to explain evolution theory given common ancestry as a constant (assuming common ancestry is a fact).
You have come to realisation bro , don’t reject it like that !
You answer the question and make it really clear here, even a baker can debunk this. Can’t wait for a biologist to answer him. And god bless you too.
No, trillions of mutations, not trillions of different animals between old apes and us
Maybe maybe not
Do you need to know every step a killer took in order to know they killed someone?
If there are not billions of fossils, of transitions of not just primates and humans, but every other species, its just a theory that is proved false. Straight up.
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as earth is 4.5 billion years old what was this god doing for billions of years, as nobody knew of the 1 god 3 religions until a few thousand years ago. If this god made earth and the universe in 6 days why is there a 9 billion gap in the age of each.Religion started when the first conman met the first fool
God is beyond our human comprehension beyond time space , so u asking this question is dumb, and it wasn't literally 6 days , in the quran Arabic word ayam means a long period of time or epochs so its not referring to literal 24 hours days
And no religion always existed and its something natural to believe in god wich was scientifically proven that humans are born believing in god , islam wasn't made 1400 years ago that's actually just the time it was complete, islam existed since the begging of human existence
Your comment is stupid. God sent down religions when humans evolved (by his will) from our ape ancestors. He allowed us to evolve from our ape ancestors so that we would be able to comprehend his existence and gain knowledge of his power. You expect god to reveal religion to creatures who aren't able to comprehend the knowledge he will send. He created us so that we would know and worship him and him alone. In islam every animal prays to god in their own way. Dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures probably prayed to god in their own ways. Every creature has a different way of praying. Humans are supposed to prostrate and speak to pray because we are the most intelligent and greatest of his creations.
Subhanallah
What a thorough debunking
Can anyone here provide one demonstrable act of divine creation? There are lots of transitional forms but no evidence for a divine creator.
Unless someone here has some new evidence.
He is talking about trillions mutations needed but the human genome has "only" 3.2 billion base pairs.
He is just lying with big numbers to sound convincing.
If he (or me, or anyone) puts up a number - just check it first.
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to believe in evolution is to have more faith then to believe in Santa
Look up Darwin's finches, evolution is observed reality.
That's a good point lol
Unlike religious texts, scientists have to actually account for all the fossil evidence we've unearthed, while creationists get to say their God created all life on earth at the same time, and then get to just stop there, and claim it's clearly the work of the devil that put all those animals unaccounted for in their texts
The transitional forms are so similar to each other that they appear the same. Also trillions of transitional forms? Only 117 billion humans have ever lived trillions seems too much.
Trillions of miniature genetic mutations, If i dig up you and your dad obviously i wont see a difference. But if you mean enough mutations that its observable then yes, we found plenty
I could do it in 3 words
Minimum gene set
Please explain
explain pls
And proves what?
@@Nagamatoishuzen If you believe evolution is true, you must therefore believe a mathematical improbability, because biogenesis is inherently just that.
Go get your Noble prize, genious!
you are a transitional pecies between your parents and your kids.
I'm a muslim and this doesn't debunk anything.
You do realise that not every animal that dies gets fossilised? Do you even understand what fossilisation is?
Nope. It doesn't take trillions. The fossil record agrees with the phylogenetic record that has produced a list of mutations. You can look it up. Remember you can't tell the truth and be a creation apologist.
Would you mind expounding a bit. I am intrigued.
That’s how to spill your ignorance. Hes a Dr in tha field boss. Stop suggesting obsolete opinions
Evidence please
You can , you just need less arrogance and listen more
the statement " small adaptations through long periods of time" is the evolutionary athiests ground that he stands on, now let's think here about how many transitions does it take for a mouse or a rodent to turn into the common ancestor humans and chimps split from and then let's add to that how many transitions does it take between the common ancestor and each primate that came from it , what are you going to say exactly ?100 transitions? 1000?10000?1 million? 1 billion transitions? bare in mind the difference between a medium sized monkey and a rat or a mouse . yea listen buddio the myth you believe in isn't going to hold on that much when scrutinized, you spoke about the fossil record yet it's an embarrassment to even call it a fossil record as the best they have are a number of fragments that you can count om your fingers and toes , then they try to ascribe to them that they are the transitional phase? there's no need to explain further as anyone with half a brain can see the Giant inconsistencies your theory presents and their contradiction with real life
Do you agree that things change slowly over time? Obviously they do! So…
Fact
Ive been saying it. What evolutionist consider evolution is LITERALLY the "POKEMON" style evolution. Imagine seeing fossils of pikachu and his evolutionary forms as the transitions. That is what evolution is showing!
No it’s not. Evolution is gradual change over long periods of time.
Pokémon evolution is instant.
it's not 'evolutionism'... it's just evolution. which is a fact and a theory. pokemon is fictional, common descent is for real.
Creator of Pokemon was inspired from evolution theory. So he added evolution in the series
Where do you get the number trillions that you cite
You missed the point. He's saying even 100 forms we can't account for. The "trillion" comes from the arheist saying that through small adaptations over a long period of time we end up with human. Those small adaptations require trillions of small changes at allele frequency resulting in small changes to set generations. The "trillions" isn't meant to be a number that can be accurately quantified. Nor should it..the point Is it is a transitional period that occurs gradually. Yet we can't account for any of these transitions. Not even 100. Expecting trillions.
Read 'Darwin's Doubt'. It discusses this in detail.
Watch the video again he literally mentions u can’t even find dozens
The Earth is not old enough to accommodate millions of lucky radom genetic mutations in the correct sequence for even one transition. Easier to win the lottery. Mathematically impossible. It didn't happen that way.
Need to find another answer for creation.
Read the 2nd edition of Darwin's theory of evolution, he's literally attached a book which refutes his own theory lol
Allah "formed from water every living thing" (21:30),"We created man from sounding clay, from mud moulded into shape..." (15:26). And, "He began the creation of man from clay, and made his progeny from a quintessence of fluid" (32:7-8). "Allah's is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth and what is in them; and He has power over all things". (5:120) , (Quran 21:30) Have not those who disbelieve known that the heavens and the Earth were of one connected entity, then We separated them and We made every living thing out of water? Will they not then believe? (Quran 71:14) , God created you in diverse stages (Quran 29:20) Say: "Roam the earth and observe how the creation was initiated. ,(Quran 71:17) And Allah has caused you to grow from the earth a [progressive] growth.
,(Quran 64:3) He designed you then made your design better. ,(Quran 40:64) He formed you then made your forms better.
Darwins theory of Life evolving from water is valid, and ALLAH has complete control over everything in the universe, what seems random mutations to us are simply edits made by Allah through the control of the environment, But in case of Humans, we were DESIGNED using clay and mud specifically the same way things are designed in a lab or manufactured in a factory, in case of ADAM (AS), made in Heaven ( clay and mud is essentially biomass and contains dna of other animals).
Bruh whats so hard to understand from this ?