gwen and duncan were so cute as best friends, but would've been even better as a couple- IF IT WERE WRITTEN CORRECTLY! i hated how their romantic relationship revolved around courtney 🤦🏾♀️
I like the idea of Gwen and Duncan much more than them with Trent and Courtney. However, I think everyone can agree the writers were forced to do something they didn't plan on and it ruined a lot of things for the audience.
nah the audience just bitches to much, i had no problem cuz i jsut didnt give a fuck about what they did. I enjoyed all the shows up to world tour. Cuz you wanna talk about ruining character Duncan was literally ruined in all stars. but agian no point in crying.
It's weird how World Tour established that Duncan did not give a crap about Courtney getting with another dude, and actively worked with Alejandro to manipulate Courtney. Then suddenly in All Stars he cares about her apathy towards him??? It's just poor writing tbh, like if you're going to work with a cheating plotline at the very least make it mount up to something. It didn't even mount up to Gwourtney's friendship so it all just feels so pointless. Very true to reality tv shows in real life tho lmao
@@ckie_princess7962 yeah potentially, but I honestly see them skewing towards getting Duncan and Courtney back together since they're a fan favorite. Personally I think they're toxic but I also keep in mind this is a cartoon with very extreme personalities based on stereotypes, so I can't really fully fault them for being toxic lol
I’m not ngl I wish they had stayed as friends, their romantic relationship had next to no buildup and just felt kinda forced, and male/female friendships are criminally underrepresented. Edit: why is this my most liked comment
I feel like Gwen is that kind of character who gets along with more guys than girls. Gwen was frieds with Geoff, Dj, Owen and Cody. Why she & Duncan have to be another platonic realtionship when they could be really badass partners in crime.
I wish this didn’t happen because Heather would be eliminated and Then Duncan and Gwen will be a thing and break up in all stars on a good note and Duncan got ruined in all starts I would of Duncan gets eliminated and Gwen Eliminates herself so then it would be on a good note and Duncan and Courtney just be friendish Duncan gets 5 or 4th in all starts and Gwen and Duncan help Courtney and she wins the whole session
@@domenicavallone28 I thought it was a good ship, just because somebody broke up doesn't mean their toxic. Duncan wanted to make Courtney jealous. But I still thought they were a good ship...
@@homurakin they were fine in season 1. And breaking up isn’t why they are toxic. Duncan stopped caring after a while and cheated on Courtney. Courtney became physically and verbally abusive, aggressive, bossy, controlling and manipulative…they’re relationship shouldn’t be glamorized 😂😂 they were only healthy in tdi when you think about it
With Courtney it was the typical “good girl” and “bad boy” scenario where the girl tries to change him into someone better and he does only bc she’s ✨special✨
Duncan and Gwen are a better couple than Duncan and Courtney for the sole reason that Gwen wasn't a controlling abuser. As someone who has helped people with relationships similar to Duncan and Courtney, I can say from experience that Duncan would've been miserable if he stayed with her, especially with Courtney's refusal to change herself at large while trying to force Duncan to be "perfect". Gwen allowing him to be himself is what a reasonable partner is supposed to do, and the fact that they've had friendly chemistry since season 1 instead of starting as enemies gives them a leg up as well. And like a normal person, I ignore the existence of All-Stars because he got derailed so hard there.
I always hide that I like gwuncan bc everyone hates it, it's so good to know that there are more people who like it. Although they don't want to accept it, they both looked so good together, they had a lot of chemistry and they understood each other very well, I ve always thought that duncney was much more toxic and if the creators hadnt ruined their relationship in all stars, gwuncan would have been perfect.
Yes! Honestly I don’t give a crap if people hate Gwuncan, I can understand why they do, all I ask is that you don’t shame or hate on people who do like it.
I ship island duncey more then any other duncey but it was right because Courtney wasent abusing in island and she wasent trying to make Duncan to fit the “perfect boyfriend” role like she did in the end of action/celebrity manhunt while gwen and Duncan were spending more time together she started going mad and crazy to the point where she take advantage of Justin’s feelings and make Duncan jealous and win so I ship action gwuncan for the most part THE WORST PART IS SHE RANDOMLY STARTED CARING ABOUT DUNCAN AGAIN IN SEASON THREE but it was confirmed that she started to realize how she was treating Duncan and confessed that she messed up and started to say more nice things about him like “he can do anything he puts his mind to” but Duncan had already developed feelings for gwen and when she found out they kissed she was heartbroken but mad that’s where things took another turn for the worst when she flirted with Tyler and heathers man Alejandro trying to make Duncan jealous but that’s when gwen feels bad for Courtney but proceeds to hook up with Duncan and in all stars that’s when she messed up completely when gwen came back to make things right but then Courtney hated her then made use believe she forgave gwen but in muddy sundae episode she out of nowhere said that she was only pretending to be Gwen’s friend for the money smh. In the end they are all traitors Duncan for cheating, gwen for proceeding to date Duncan after she saw how sad Courtney was and Courtney for backstabbing gwen to pretend to be her friend. Also gwen and Duncan were planning to tell her when in Greece by the phrase “fine let’s do it, let’s clean the air” but Alejandro took advantage of that by forcing Tyler to tell Courtney that he witnessed gwen and Duncan kissed they were mad because they wanted Courtney to not go crazy because she was almost obsessed with Duncan. lol this is out of order. BUT WHEN YOUR MAD BECAUSE THERES ONLY A CODY AND GWUNCAN BLOG AND NOT A ALEHEATHER BLOG OR ISLAND DUNCEY BLOG OR A LINDSAY AND TYLER BLOG OR OWEN AND IZZY BRUHHHHHH
how can people say they are forced, their relationship started to be build on season 1, was developed in the hole season 2 and theen they finally get together in season 3
Gwen and Duncan had way more chemistry and their relationship itself wasn’t near as toxic as Duncan’s relationship with Courtney. They had a great friendship in seasons 1 & 2 so they were developed, the issue with Gwuncan was not them dating but HOW they got together. Duncan was wrong fro cheating, but the writers were right in ending Duncney. Courtney was such a horrible girlfriend especially in season 2. She was bossy, physically and verbally abusive, aggressive, controlling (she wrote a whole paper on how Duncan should change himself…a big red flag but y’all drool over them for some reason) and overall manipulative. Duncney was only a healthy couple in season 1, whereas Gwuncan had better understanding of each other and they were much healthier (aside from Duncan cheating; I’m talking about the relationship as a whole). The main issue was that the writers ruined Duncan by making him cheat, which is turn derailed Gwen and Courtney. If Courtney and Duncan broke up on normal terms and THEN Duncan got with Gwen then it would have been amazing!! You guys just hate on them because Courtney says “jump” and the fandom asks “how high”. She was genuinely a horrible person in TDA and wasn’t much better in TDWT. Her only good season in terms of her being a kindhearted yet driven girl was in TDI, because we all know how derailed she got in TDAS. And also Trent wasn’t a good boyfriend either at the end. He was overly jealous, insecure and unstable with his emotions and coping mechanisms. He would have bitter remarks towards Gwen and Duncan which wasn’t exactly earning brownie points. I wished the writers handled this in a much better way than they did, because as seen in this video Gwen and Duncan had so much potential and chemistry
I liked Trent and Gwen. The problem for me was that Trent was just the perfect boyfriend. But that was it. He wasn't interesting on his own for me and season 2 just proved how he cannot cope without her as you said
I agree because personally gwen is my favourite and I loved trent and they ruined him but even in season 2 I loved duncan and gwen And I nearly cried when trent called gwen and duncan punk wannabees cause I was like that's just rude
I don't care how mad the Courtney x Duncan shippers are about Gwencan, you cannot pretend like they didn't have chemistry. Gwen understands Duncan and accepts his bad boy personality. She never tried to change him. Courtney tried too hard to mold Duncan into the perfect boyfriend and was too damn controlling and abusive. While I don't agree with Duncan cheating on Courtney, I do know that he was much happier with Gwen.
I honestly liked the ship up until All Stars. I get it, Duncan is tired of how controlling and stuck up Courtney is. So he left her for Gwen who he always had more in common with. But for SOME reason in All Stars he likes Courtney again and that kinda just ruined Duncan’s character beyond repair and both the ships.
i think in all stars it was more of a duncan problem. i'd say he was trying to maintain the bad boy reputation, as in it's cool if girls are into you but it's not if you act like you're into them and that's how it played out when courtney started showing interest in scott. he couldn't deal with that fact, and so he tried getting her attention resulting in him and gwen breaking up. duncan thought it was because he'd gotten too soft, so he destroyed chris' cottage and got arrested. really hate how he got derailed, man. all stars was a mistake.
the writers were just bitter cause they had to break up duncney and make gwuncan a thing because of cartoon network so they decided to fuck up their relationship by suddenly making gwen ignore duncan and become obsessed with courtney and being labeled as a good person (like if you compare her personality in season one with her personality in season five, she looks like a completely different person), while duncan also suddenly wants courtney attention again when he was trying to get her eliminated in season three and was also supporting alejandro's manipulation lol they probably decided to end it up with duncan alone so people could ship whatever they want and there wouldn't be a more realistic couple
Now Duncney and Gwuncan were both poorly handled, but when push comes to shove I definitely prefer Gwuncan. Gwen doesn't try to control or change Duncan, meanwhile most of the time Courtney and Duncan were together Courtney was always getting on him about him being...him. That relationship was pretty toxic, but Gwuncan is also toxic as it was a result of cheating while Duncney was toxic because of it's on-again-off-again nature and Courtney's controlling behavior.
I think Duncan and Gwen would’ve made a great couple. They had so much in common, but if they were written correctly. The relationship would’ve been so much better
The Break up in All Stars sucked, actually the whole season sucked. Gwen and Duncan their break up needed to go different like: "Let's just stay friends." Sth like that. In all stars they shouldn't have made Duncan so obsessed over Courtney. Gwen and Courtney their apology was great on the other hand!
I found this relationship much healthier than Courtney and Duncan. you just don't ship a couple where the guy receives that many nutshots from the gal, one of those with a whole guitar.
I agree. I don't understand the opposites attract trope, and with the constant arguing and hurting each other, it makes the relationship more toxic. At least Gwen and Duncan aren't putting each other in pain every time they talk.
I hated how she treated him that was seriously messed up and she was also trying to change him too you don’t do that to someone you love I don’t completely hate the ship but I don’t completely like it either if you know what I mean and I hate Courtney she thinks she’s all high and mighty because she has a lawyer 🙄
@@juiiQt I wouldn’t say they were perfect, because all stars just ruined it. If they didn’t cheat and had good build up they would be a perfect couple. But gwuncan was ruined. So thank the writers for that one. And that’s why I prefer Duncan and Courtney.
i like gwuncin and duncney but when duncney started to be a couple courtney was so toxic i mean she wrote 32 pages of duncans flaws like common gwuncan was such a good ship but how it started was so bad like they could've been the best couple
Honestly it really sucks because back in island, it was clear Duncan made Courtney less uptight and let her have more fun, and Courtney brought Duncan's soft side out. But then action ruined it, they went from bringing out the bet in each other to being toxic (especially courtney) I can't watch basic staining and then imagine courtney writing an essay on how he needs to change
Basically, both couples have something wrong, one for being based on conditions and not accepting themselves as they are, and the other for the wrong execution
@@kaylaHat And this is what makes TD a such good series. No relations are perfect and some won't last for long, and total drama gave us a great lesson of this
I’m pretty sure Cartoon Network forced the creator of total drama to do it.They made Courtney toxic in her relationship with Duncan so then they could make Gwuncan happen to show,kids your supposed to like people with similar interests and personality like you.If they had just improved Duncan and Courtney’s relationship and made it less toxic while Gwen stayed as a good friend for Duncan it would have been a lot better.
@@sandybonilla742 Then I suggest being nicer about your own opinions. I recommend saying something like this, "I personally don't ship this, but, I respect it!" Rather than "eeww". It just makes you look like a toxic shipper and people are no doubt going to attack you for it.
Look Gwen and Duncan had a great friendship but that's what makes their relationship that much better, it's a friendly one that's more relaxed and without expectations. And what is a girlfriend/boyfriend if not a friendship with extra benefits
At least Gwen and Duncan get get along. I didn’t like how Duncan and Courtney always argued. Never understood their ship and why so many people preferred them
Agreed mane- I still don’t like how the writers made them both cheat on their lovers despite them both being super in love in them. Would’ve been better if both couples broke it off before Duncan and Gwen happened
Cheating will always be wrong, I agree. But Duncan and Gwen have similar interests, get along, can be competitive without taking it personally, and like each other as they are, without wanting to change huge aspects of the others personality. That's more than I can say for both Courney and Duncan, AND Gwen and Trent together. The other two were relationships of convenience and surface level attraction, nothing more. Gwen and Duncan actually like each other. It was just shitty that the writers didn't want it, and thus it turned out the way it did.
The thing is, I can understand where the person who cheated is coming from, like how Duncan was abused by Courtney. When someone in a toxic relationship with an abusive partner cheats on said partner, I tend to sympathize with the former because they had a sympathetic motive. I do not condone cheating, but I understand if they felt like they just wanted to be free from their abusers. That's why I do not have any sympathy for Courtney, because she pushed Duncan away from her by treating him like dirt. She brought all of it on herself. Then, she and everyone else had the nerve to act like it was the biggest betrayal ever, conveniently forgetting all the times she abused him, assaulted him, treated him like garbage, and betrayed him. Yeah, that really helped me lose any form of sympathy I had for Courtney.
Gwen and Duncan would’ve done way better if it wasn’t for the whole love triangle aspect of the show. They only did it to add more drama, when realistically it wasn’t needed. Everyone knew Duncan and Courtney was running on a short fuse. All stars just messed up everything even further ruining plenty of classic favorites. Gwen, Duncan, Lindsay etc.
This relationship could have been so much better if the writers weren’t forced to include it when they had to. if there was proper time to develop it then it would have been so much more sensual and less toxic .. gwuncan deserved better
Petition for the writers to make a gwuncan series where they change the cheating breakup with Courtney and instead just make that relationship end with Duncan confessing to Courtney that he doesn’t like her anymore.
@@sierramarie1698 No offence but. I shipped Duncan and Gwen so damn hard even though their relationship was kinda senseless but I still want them together.
I don't hate them being together, they are actually great friends. However, I don't think hooking anyone up will resolve anything, and that putting them back with either each other, Trent, or even Courtney will not move the story forward. With Gwuncan as a couple, the execution was terrible and people just complain that he is a bad boyfriend because he's not as nice as Trent, and that he had "feelings" for Courtney in All-Stars. I thought it was that he actually wanted to bother Courtney again, since he was bullying her after all that happened in Action, trying to control him, and kicking him in the balls. People will argue that Courtney will try to change him for the better, but Courtney's demands were more for herself than to change him as a person, making the list seem more shallow. He was meaner to Courtney yes, but after having a control-freak girlfriend who got his girlfriend voted off, you can see through his perspective. Was it OOC? Not so much during world tour but yes during Total Drama All-Stars. I did not like Gwen during Season 5, she was very ignorant and cruel towards Duncan, and people think that she is innocent but really she just plays the victim card and end up not taking responsibility for her actions. With Gwen, she wanted Courtney to stop ignoring her but she kept on doing it to Duncan because in her opinion it would distract her. Duncan did care for Gwen, he started asking about Courtney twice, and she broke up with him for that reason which is ironically hypocritical since she was more obsessed with getting Courtney's attention. This is a common thing with Gwen, she lacks commitment in serious relationships. An example of this is with Trent, she gave back to him 50% of the time, and was mad at him a majority of the time because she did not trust him for leaving her in dirt and due to Heather's kiss. None of that was his fault, and in Action, Gwen was thinking that Trent was becoming obsessed with her (NOT DUNCAN'S FAULT SO PEOPLE SHUT THE F*CK UP AND STOP BLAMING HIM), and Duncan and Harold gave her their opinion to help her (which really didn't). Instead of talking to Trent, she just chooses to not talk to him then break up. Trent did mess up since he misinterpreted Owen's words as to throw challenges, and did not trust Gwen at all to make choices for herself. So hooking them up will not help their characters redeem Trent or anyone else for that matter. Now moving onto Duncney. Duncan was an interesting character. He was a bad boy, a flirt, a jerk, and a strong competitor, my overall favorite. He has issues considering feelings since he takes the game pretty seriously when it comes to the show, and communication issues. Sure he bullied Harold, but then again Geoff and DJ were not even under his influence and that they just chose to do it. With Duncan, he is honestly overhated to an extent (same for Owen, Courtney), since people hate how he was never a nice guy, a jerk to Harold, won the second season, accidentally caused a wedge between Gwent, and cheated on Courtney. That's the point of his character, he's a bad boy, but he never stoops as low as Heather or Alejandro or even Courtney for that matter. He's more towards the protagonists side because he does not approve of their actions. I get the bullying Harold part was wrong, but then again having a guy who leaves crusty underwear on the floor, keeps trying to show off their skills by talking about it and being annoying to everyone else, is pretty annoying. However, Duncan does have some respect for Harold, in a jerky-way. He taught Harold how to fight, and worked with him during the end of the war challenge. With him getting to the merge, Courtney was the reason he was mainly targeted so that way they can weaken her. Sure he is not as strong in the merge as he was during the 1st half, but consider how Leshawna's story was done, nobody really liked Justin when he left, and etc. If you think he got plot armor for that season, then you guys have forgotten that Lindsay could have been eliminated in an earlier episode, but since DJ quit she stayed and developed. Let's also not forget that both Alejandro and Heather had some plot armor during World Tour (and Island for Heather). While I get both characters are strong contestants, Heather could have left during the premerge without his return, and Alejandro could have left if Sierra did not accidentally blow up the plane. For breaking up Gwent, he never once actually tried to break them up on purpose, he was caught in a misunderstanding. He only gave Gwen his opinion on what he thought was going on with Trent, but she chose not to talk to Trent and instead listened to Duncan. Duncan never manipulated Gwen, he never even lied to her, and did not even try to change her. Ok this is the one thing I think that could have been written better, the cheating incident in World Tour. For someone who is supposed to be straight with people, he kissed his friend behind his girlfriend's back and voted her off. But then again, when was he ever supposed to be the nicest guy? Also, you can see through his perspective that he was sick of the abuse and stress Courtney was giving to him. Since after Courtney's elimination in Island, she was getting worse as a person as they grew more comfortable to each other. It brought out the worse in both of them, and it is definitely not right to hook them back up after Season 3 and 5. Now Courtney, I am kind of mixed on her character. She was a good character without Duncan involved or even Gwen. She is inconsistently written which sucks, but you can see through her perspective though. She is a demanding character, who wants things to go her way, has a superiority complex, who boasts her CIT status, and would wear the pants in any relationship. She was always bossy and kind of hypocritical during her run in Island. However, she left Duncan for the million, nearly killed Owen, DJ, Tyler, and Cody, bribed everyone's lives for the million, unleashed her anger on all of her team, threw challenges, and betrayed her new boyfriend and best friend in the end. I think she does deserve a huge amount of redemption and to make the finale. However, I think 2nd place would be a better placement for her since she needs to learn to accept that money is not everything and that friends and family are more important than anything.
i agree with you and to me gwen was just a fake friend and was making out with duncan right after duncan and courtney broke up which thats wrong i didnt like gwen at all just bc her character was meh to me and they should have left courney and duncan be they had good chemistry and when he called her princess it felt so right and he didnt even give gwen a name and seemed like gwen and duncan relationship was by force but this is all my opinion so no hate
@@brookezpt7705 I understand that it is your opinion, but I don't agree with Gwen being a fake friend and the making out after the break up part. She and Duncan were actually better as friends in the end of Island and Action, he did not even vote her off, and ended up having fun with her by taking apart the bus, and making good laughs at each other. Their relationship was terrible as they both have communication issues and etc. The only nicknames Duncan came up with for Gwen were Dollface and Pasty, which does make sense since she is really pale compared to the rest of the cast, but he does not call her that too much. Honestly, the chemistry was only good during Island, Action became pretty toxic and World Tour was the couple's demise. I do think that Duncney would have been better if they kept their old chemistry from Island, and etc. But for now, I hope they forgive each other and accept that they are terrible for each other.
Woah, I’m really surprised I actually read all that, but I agree. It’s also important to remember that Trent’s jealousy issues would’ve ruined his relationship with Gwen even without Duncan there. And in World Tour right when Duncan quit the show, I feel like that was a subtle way of him abandoning his relationship with Courtney, personally I don’t think he meant to cheat on Courtney when he did.
@@acidicali7776 Oh, when I said with or without that comment, means if Duncan did not say it. I do agree that Duncan was a reason, but without his comment the result would have been the same. The other part, yeah that's a good point.
This couple would be so good if Duncan and Courtney remembered they broke up, stayed friends, and then Gwen dates Duncan, and then the 3 of them could've been a cool trio friendship.
Duncan deserves to be happy with Gwen. As a kid loved him with Courtney but as a adult holy shit she was so toxic n controlling. Physical abuse out the door just the mental abuse is beyond toxic. Bad writing messed up everyone but thats her from s1
Actually I think it’s what soulmates look like, romantically or friendly wise! They have their own connection through all show, but at the end writers of the show just screwed up! 😫
5:53, This was actually my favorite moment of them and that was it. Everything else was degraded from there. 7:08, OH-kay... 7:33, I can't believe he refused to sing for the first half of TD:WT, because Duncan has a VOICE on him 9:03, Awwwwwwww...
Duncan and Gwen could have been epic I was so happy when they got together to in world tour. Duncany shippers are holding on to season 1 Courtney and Duncan and they were my favs too but sadly she changed and it wasn’t healthy. Gwen and Duncan changed but not that much so it made sense they would want to be together. He went to Gwen because 1 there was always something there and 2. Because Courtney was too controlling and wanted to change him while Gwen liked him for himself. But all stars messed it up and I’m just gonna imagine it never happened. 😂
I absolutely love them, everyone says they are forced and Duncan never truly liked Gwen but for me it’s the opposite!! I always felt like Duncan really liked Gwen more than Courtney, Gwen understood him and it was overall an healthier relationship
i personally prefer Gwen x Courtney, but Gwuncan worked better than Courtney x Duncan did! I just don't understand why people normalize toxic relationships like these
@Chris Quintrell duncan taught Courtney to have fun and not be serious all time while Courtney made duncan a little nicer so they helped each other but they had to ruin the characters in action and world tour! I ship duncney and no body can change my mind but I respect what u all ship
My favorite TD ship! They had so much potential, and really could've been a beautiful couple! I really hate how they got together, and everything that went down in All Stars. Otherwise, I loved their chemistry. Gwen didn't try to change Duncan like Courtney did. She embraced him for who he was, as he did her. They actually seemed to have gotten to know each other way before they developed feelings, like that one clip of Duncan naming off things he knew about Gwen. Meanwhile, he didn't even know Courtney's favorite color. I know some people think Duncan was manipulating Gwen, but that couldn't be far from the truth. These two had a really nice bond that unfortunately got ruined. I like to imagine that after the show, they were able to make things right with each other by either staying friends, or getting back together.
honestly gwen and duncan should have been on the same team in season 1, they’d have gotten along easily and wouldn’t have any courtney problems. gwuncan is a great ship, it just needed better writing
i know this is super unpopular but gwuncan is my favorite because they had so much chemistry and courtney was so abusive, i can't stand that courtney's abuse is downplayed and she's so popular in the fandom but gwen is *EVIL* for kissing duncan when courtney is a psychotic abuser? like duncney is the pinnacle of abuse towards males in the media being downplayed for mere comedy when it's a genuine problem i wish that the show had been written that duncan would break up with courtney and he would realize that gwen treated him so much better and genuinely didn't have a laundry list of what was wrong with him (side note wtf why do people not see a problem w this??) and she was genuinely so sweet to him
As a Duncney shipper for only TDI, I agree. After watching Action and seeing how much she mistreated him after her last season elimination, it made me dislike her so much. I know Duncan isn't a saint either for his comments but he never hit Courtney or wrote a list on her faults. If it were reverse, the fandom would DESPISE Duncan and be happy that Courtney cheated on him with someone else. I know cheating shouldn't be the answer but Courtney went from someone who was in denial for liking a bad boy to someone who wanted to date him AND change him, despite knowing who he was in the first place. They were cute in the first season but after that, the writers really messed it up.
I love how everyone else in the comments is wondering how compatible they are or how fast they got together and I’m just over here like “why are there only some characters that have eye colors?”
Ugh I just love these two together 😩 I looove their friends-besties-lovers storyline and they’re also so cute together (when Duncan takes a leech for his girl 10:18 🥺🦋). I just wish they were written a little better in canon, but I still see a vision with them 💖🌈
I wish they would’ve kept them as something like a best friend dynamic. They are so similar and we’re always great on screen. Bringing a relationship into ended up ruining them plus Trent and Courtney.
Duncan and Gwen had so much chemistry together. They were the prefect couple. I liked that pairing more than Gwen and Trent or Duncan and Courtney. They should've just paired up Duncan and Gwen from the beginning and have them stay together. Lol.
50th comment: Man, it sucks those two broke up in All Stars, and horrifically horrible it was, too. What was that all about tryin’ to get Courtney’s attention all of the sudden?!? He didn’t need to show off his relationship w/ Gwen so Courtney would b jealous. Besides, Courtney moved on, and he should have, too! But overall, Gwen and Duncan’s breakup was bad, and their love oughta b mended, hopefully in the revival series.
I think that was either to stroke and boost his fragile ego that was breaking down when he became a heroic hamster, plus he wanted to annoy her because Courtney neglected him, or that he Gwen was not giving him any attention at all throughout the entire season. Plus, he did not even try to bother after the Gwuncan breakup, and he was supportive of Gwen for the first 4 episodes. Throughout the entire season, Gwen was pretty mean and hypocritical towards Duncan as a whole. Plus, the writers just wanted to give Gwen an excuse to break them up.
@@homurakin And that's fine honestly. You're free to ship whoever you want, just as not as villifying and demonizing any of the characters to make your ship better.
Let's be honest, when we fist watched them at the beggining of tdi we all thought they would be a thing (before we even knew courtney and trent's existence)
I really didn’t like Courtney and Duncan as a couple. In season two when they were trying to get back together and Courtney made the novel list of things that Duncan had to do to be with her was just ridiculous and borderline mental abuse. I like Duncan and Gwen together they’re very cute and get each other. And they’re not trying to force the other person to change. Gwen and Trent were kind of cute but Trent lost all of his magic in season two and just became OCD, and purposefully throwing challenges for Gwen when she didn’t want that. She wanted to win fair and square. Also when Duncan took the leech for Gwen that was low-key very sweet.
People swore up and down that he was done dirty by her but he was checking out Heather/kissing her back and he was checking out the dizzy blond like he wanted her while claiming to have eyes only for Gwen.
I like Courtney and Duncan because rivals to lovers is one of my favorite tropes. It’s just that when they started dating it was super toxic. Gwen and Duncan were a lot better together it just wasn’t written well.
All-Stars screwed this relationship, like it screwed most of the cast. Because I think that this relationship was written well in World Tour, also it had good (although probably unintentional in Island) foreshadowing.
Ok ngl one of my favorite couples in totaln drama, BUT WHY WERE THEY WRITEN LIKE THAT TOWARDS THE ENDDD LIKE THESE TWO WENT FROM CUTE TO AWKWARDLY ONE-SIDED?? IDKK ;-;
gwen and duncan were so cute as best friends, but would've been even better as a couple- IF IT WERE WRITTEN CORRECTLY! i hated how their romantic relationship revolved around courtney 🤦🏾♀️
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I like the idea of Gwen and Duncan much more than them with Trent and Courtney. However, I think everyone can agree the writers were forced to do something they didn't plan on and it ruined a lot of things for the audience.
Ya, Fresh TV could’ve broken Duncney and Gwent on their own terms; that way nobody would dislike Gwuncan as much.
PURRR PERIODT TRYEE
yea...i wonder what happened
nah the audience just bitches to much, i had no problem cuz i jsut didnt give a fuck about what they did. I enjoyed all the shows up to world tour. Cuz you wanna talk about ruining character Duncan was literally ruined in all stars. but agian no point in crying.
It wasn’t because of the audience actually but thought cause Cartoon Network suggested it…
It's weird how World Tour established that Duncan did not give a crap about Courtney getting with another dude, and actively worked with Alejandro to manipulate Courtney. Then suddenly in All Stars he cares about her apathy towards him??? It's just poor writing tbh, like if you're going to work with a cheating plotline at the very least make it mount up to something. It didn't even mount up to Gwourtney's friendship so it all just feels so pointless. Very true to reality tv shows in real life tho lmao
That is a really good point
We all just try to forget that all stars ever happened
well if you watched victorious beck is like duncan and courtney is jade when she flirted with moose
There's gonna be new seasons so maybe they can work out the love triangle?
@@ckie_princess7962 yeah potentially, but I honestly see them skewing towards getting Duncan and Courtney back together since they're a fan favorite. Personally I think they're toxic but I also keep in mind this is a cartoon with very extreme personalities based on stereotypes, so I can't really fully fault them for being toxic lol
I’m not ngl I wish they had stayed as friends, their romantic relationship had next to no buildup and just felt kinda forced, and male/female friendships are criminally underrepresented.
Edit: why is this my most liked comment
I feel like Gwen is that kind of character who gets along with more guys than girls. Gwen was frieds with Geoff, Dj, Owen and Cody.
Why she & Duncan have to be another platonic realtionship when they could be really badass partners in crime.
@Nightwing The Badass no it was Heather and Jeff
400th like
I wish this didn’t happen because Heather would be eliminated and Then Duncan and Gwen will be a thing and break up in all stars on a good note and Duncan got ruined in all starts I would of Duncan gets eliminated and Gwen Eliminates herself so then it would be on a good note and Duncan and Courtney just be friendish Duncan gets 5 or 4th in all starts and Gwen and Duncan help Courtney and she wins the whole session
Really? I didn't know that. Tell me more.
IT WAS SUCH A GOOD FRIENDSHIP
YES FRIENDSHIP
IKR
keyword: friendship
*F R I E N D S H I P*
Friendship 🤪🤪🤪🤪💯💯💯💯💯
They were cute but development tho not the greatest. All stars made everyone OOC tho
Their development was great it was simply HOW the relationship started that caused all the derailment
I really don't like this ship because it's really pushy and other stuff, Courtney and Gwen and Courtney and Duncan are good ships
@@homurakin Courtney and Duncan were terribly toxic how were they a good ship 😂
@@domenicavallone28 I thought it was a good ship, just because somebody broke up doesn't mean their toxic. Duncan wanted to make Courtney jealous. But I still thought they were a good ship...
@@homurakin they were fine in season 1. And breaking up isn’t why they are toxic. Duncan stopped caring after a while and cheated on Courtney. Courtney became physically and verbally abusive, aggressive, bossy, controlling and manipulative…they’re relationship shouldn’t be glamorized 😂😂 they were only healthy in tdi when you think about it
As a gwuncan shipper we should definitely act like all stars never happened
Yes we should
yeah, it took away all character development any character had and flipped it on it's head, they ruined everyone that came in it
I probably would ship them apart from the fact I don’t like gwen and I don’t care for duncan
Agree
Agreed.
Courtney was trying to change him. Gwen understood him
Don't wanna be that girl but dang! Didn't expect this many likes in such a short space of time
With Courtney it was the typical “good girl” and “bad boy” scenario where the girl tries to change him into someone better and he does only bc she’s ✨special✨
@@kitsskit8958 exactly it was just cringe
@@kitsskit8958 what-
@@stephenhawkings513 exactly!
@@kitsskit8958 no maybe it looked like that in the beginning but then she said she liked that about him and duncan liked her intensity
Duncan and Gwen are a better couple than Duncan and Courtney for the sole reason that Gwen wasn't a controlling abuser. As someone who has helped people with relationships similar to Duncan and Courtney, I can say from experience that Duncan would've been miserable if he stayed with her, especially with Courtney's refusal to change herself at large while trying to force Duncan to be "perfect". Gwen allowing him to be himself is what a reasonable partner is supposed to do, and the fact that they've had friendly chemistry since season 1 instead of starting as enemies gives them a leg up as well.
And like a normal person, I ignore the existence of All-Stars because he got derailed so hard there.
AGREED SISTA! 😤🤚🏽
Couldn't agree more! Man, I wish the Gwuncan shippers weren't so outnumbered by the Duncney shippers!
God bless you
True!!
Exactly! 💯
I always hide that I like gwuncan bc everyone hates it, it's so good to know that there are more people who like it. Although they don't want to accept it, they both looked so good together, they had a lot of chemistry and they understood each other very well, I ve always thought that duncney was much more toxic and if the creators hadnt ruined their relationship in all stars, gwuncan would have been perfect.
Yes! Honestly I don’t give a crap if people hate Gwuncan, I can understand why they do, all I ask is that you don’t shame or hate on people who do like it.
I ship island duncey more then any other duncey but it was right because Courtney wasent abusing in island and she wasent trying to make Duncan to fit the “perfect boyfriend” role like she did in the end of action/celebrity manhunt while gwen and Duncan were spending more time together she started going mad and crazy to the point where she take advantage of Justin’s feelings and make Duncan jealous and win so I ship action gwuncan for the most part THE WORST PART IS SHE RANDOMLY STARTED CARING ABOUT DUNCAN AGAIN IN SEASON THREE but it was confirmed that she started to realize how she was treating Duncan and confessed that she messed up and started to say more nice things about him like “he can do anything he puts his mind to” but Duncan had already developed feelings for gwen and when she found out they kissed she was heartbroken but mad that’s where things took another turn for the worst when she flirted with Tyler and heathers man Alejandro trying to make Duncan jealous but that’s when gwen feels bad for Courtney but proceeds to hook up with Duncan and in all stars that’s when she messed up completely when gwen came back to make things right but then Courtney hated her then made use believe she forgave gwen but in muddy sundae episode she out of nowhere said that she was only pretending to be Gwen’s friend for the money smh. In the end they are all traitors Duncan for cheating, gwen for proceeding to date Duncan after she saw how sad Courtney was and Courtney for backstabbing gwen to pretend to be her friend. Also gwen and Duncan were planning to tell her when in Greece by the phrase “fine let’s do it, let’s clean the air” but Alejandro took advantage of that by forcing Tyler to tell Courtney that he witnessed gwen and Duncan kissed they were mad because they wanted Courtney to not go crazy because she was almost obsessed with Duncan.
lol this is out of order. BUT WHEN YOUR MAD BECAUSE THERES ONLY A CODY AND GWUNCAN BLOG AND NOT A ALEHEATHER BLOG OR ISLAND DUNCEY BLOG OR A LINDSAY AND TYLER BLOG OR OWEN AND IZZY BRUHHHHHH
you should keep hiding it
@@ineedabadbleep1557 i feel bad for laughing
Ohhh my gosh!!! I thought I was the only one!!
The Bi alt solidarity
Indeed.
how can people say they are forced, their relationship started to be build on season 1, was developed in the hole season 2 and theen they finally get together in season 3
This‼️
Duncan should’ve dumped Courtney then before dating Gwen instead of in secret bc they’re both wack for that
literally like you can see the development happening throughout the video
I guess they said that because, like she was in the moles and he in the catfishes (I have to use a translator) they didn't interact much
@@teent1tans045 but i just love the drama
Gwen and Duncan had way more chemistry and their relationship itself wasn’t near as toxic as Duncan’s relationship with Courtney. They had a great friendship in seasons 1 & 2 so they were developed, the issue with Gwuncan was not them dating but HOW they got together. Duncan was wrong fro cheating, but the writers were right in ending Duncney. Courtney was such a horrible girlfriend especially in season 2. She was bossy, physically and verbally abusive, aggressive, controlling (she wrote a whole paper on how Duncan should change himself…a big red flag but y’all drool over them for some reason) and overall manipulative. Duncney was only a healthy couple in season 1, whereas Gwuncan had better understanding of each other and they were much healthier (aside from Duncan cheating; I’m talking about the relationship as a whole). The main issue was that the writers ruined Duncan by making him cheat, which is turn derailed Gwen and Courtney. If Courtney and Duncan broke up on normal terms and THEN Duncan got with Gwen then it would have been amazing!! You guys just hate on them because Courtney says “jump” and the fandom asks “how high”. She was genuinely a horrible person in TDA and wasn’t much better in TDWT. Her only good season in terms of her being a kindhearted yet driven girl was in TDI, because we all know how derailed she got in TDAS.
And also Trent wasn’t a good boyfriend either at the end. He was overly jealous, insecure and unstable with his emotions and coping mechanisms. He would have bitter remarks towards Gwen and Duncan which wasn’t exactly earning brownie points. I wished the writers handled this in a much better way than they did, because as seen in this video Gwen and Duncan had so much potential and chemistry
I liked Trent and Gwen. The problem for me was that Trent was just the perfect boyfriend. But that was it. He wasn't interesting on his own for me and season 2 just proved how he cannot cope without her as you said
I agree because personally gwen is my favourite and I loved trent and they ruined him but even in season 2 I loved duncan and gwen
And I nearly cried when trent called gwen and duncan punk wannabees cause I was like that's just rude
Thank youuuu!!!!!!
@NateTD finally someone said it, Duncan and Courtney broke up BEFORE Gwen and Duncan kissed
Wow imagine being jealous and insecure when ur being cheated on😱😱😱😱😱🤭🤭🤭🥺‼️‼️
I don't care how mad the Courtney x Duncan shippers are about Gwencan, you cannot pretend like they didn't have chemistry. Gwen understands Duncan and accepts his bad boy personality. She never tried to change him. Courtney tried too hard to mold Duncan into the perfect boyfriend and was too damn controlling and abusive. While I don't agree with Duncan cheating on Courtney, I do know that he was much happier with Gwen.
The only Courtney I ship with Duncan is S1 Courtney
Duncan and Gwen were feeling kinda forced though
Gwent should've stayed a thing honestly
Too bad, they had to ruin it in All Stars.
@LeviCreme okay just a question
Did you watch the manhunt?
I honestly liked the ship up until All Stars. I get it, Duncan is tired of how controlling and stuck up Courtney is. So he left her for Gwen who he always had more in common with. But for SOME reason in All Stars he likes Courtney again and that kinda just ruined Duncan’s character beyond repair and both the ships.
i think in all stars it was more of a duncan problem. i'd say he was trying to maintain the bad boy reputation, as in it's cool if girls are into you but it's not if you act like you're into them and that's how it played out when courtney started showing interest in scott. he couldn't deal with that fact, and so he tried getting her attention resulting in him and gwen breaking up. duncan thought it was because he'd gotten too soft, so he destroyed chris' cottage and got arrested. really hate how he got derailed, man. all stars was a mistake.
the writers were just bitter cause they had to break up duncney and make gwuncan a thing because of cartoon network so they decided to fuck up their relationship by suddenly making gwen ignore duncan and become obsessed with courtney and being labeled as a good person (like if you compare her personality in season one with her personality in season five, she looks like a completely different person), while duncan also suddenly wants courtney attention again when he was trying to get her eliminated in season three and was also supporting alejandro's manipulation lol they probably decided to end it up with duncan alone so people could ship whatever they want and there wouldn't be a more realistic couple
i’m glad that no matter who you ship, we all agree that all stars sucked
Exactly, only Pakithew Island (or whatever it was called) was worse. All-Stars had too much potential.
Now Duncney and Gwuncan were both poorly handled, but when push comes to shove I definitely prefer Gwuncan. Gwen doesn't try to control or change Duncan, meanwhile most of the time Courtney and Duncan were together Courtney was always getting on him about him being...him. That relationship was pretty toxic, but Gwuncan is also toxic as it was a result of cheating while Duncney was toxic because of it's on-again-off-again nature and Courtney's controlling behavior.
Yeah. Duncney was toxic on its own after Season 1, while Gwuncan's only reason to be toxic was because of Courtney.
Courtney was ABUSING Duncan. And that really annoyed me
@@justempty7036 u going on everyone’s comment saying the same shit trying to justify Courtney’s actions 💀 damn
@@blaiir1879 That was 4 months ago.İ only looked on her perspective but now i think everyone had a mistake in love triangle no one is a perfect angel
@@justempty7036 yep. All of them were in the wrong
I think Duncan and Gwen would’ve made a great couple. They had so much in common, but if they were written correctly. The relationship would’ve been so much better
Yeah, most of their relationship revolved around Courtney which made it suck
The Break up in All Stars sucked, actually the whole season sucked. Gwen and Duncan their break up needed to go different like: "Let's just stay friends." Sth like that. In all stars they shouldn't have made Duncan so obsessed over Courtney. Gwen and Courtney their apology was great on the other hand!
i was happy they broke up yayyyyyyyyyyyyy trent and gwen was soooooo much better and courtney and duncan like periodt.
@@brookezpt7705 Same but the break up was boring and lame af, they could have made them break up different
All stars was a rushed season, it was really bad. The idea was great but the final product sucked
why does everyone forget courtney and gwen didn’t even stay friends after that little list courtney wrote
@@jillianb1251 we don't talk about that episode
I found this relationship much healthier than Courtney and Duncan. you just don't ship a couple where the guy receives that many nutshots from the gal, one of those with a whole guitar.
I disagree
I agree. I don't understand the opposites attract trope, and with the constant arguing and hurting each other, it makes the relationship more toxic. At least Gwen and Duncan aren't putting each other in pain every time they talk.
@@moonstonemadness9154 and not even verbal abuse just having a hard time talking it out and addressing how they feel.
I hated how she treated him that was seriously messed up and she was also trying to change him too you don’t do that to someone you love I don’t completely hate the ship but I don’t completely like it either if you know what I mean and I hate Courtney she thinks she’s all high and mighty because she has a lawyer 🙄
@@liyahb4316 yeah the money card doesn't get you far after enough people hate your guts.
Let’s be real,if gwuncan had good writing it wouldn’t be the as hated.
fr
Agree
It had, it was only bad in All Stars
@@theketaminefrog6366 Yupp
The problem is
Best friends ≠ good relationship
I don’t care what people say, I LOVE this pairing. Best pairing ever!!!
Finally someone who actually ships them
FRRR they were perfecttt
@@juiiQt I wouldn’t say they were perfect, because all stars just ruined it. If they didn’t cheat and had good build up they would be a perfect couple. But gwuncan was ruined. So thank the writers for that one. And that’s why I prefer Duncan and Courtney.
Ewww no
@@juiiQt not TRUE!
@@Dateofbirthis2028 sameeee
Courtney was TOO controlling over Duncan and kept trying to change him.
Oh trust me us duncney shippers are aware of that. But we only ship duncney in season 1 and somewhat of season 2, the writers just had to ruin it.
For the better
Duncney Season 1, that's all, that's it. Everything after that 💩
@@virgobabyy Fr. That’s why I pretend total drama ended in season 1.
i shipped them be=efore they started the whole relationship
THEY WERE SO CUTE ARE U KIDDING MEEEEE ;W; like, disregarding the whole courtney ordeal THEY WERE SO SWEET TGTTT AHHHH
I love how their fistbump started just that then progressed to a whole handshake with a hug
i like gwuncin and duncney but when duncney started to be a couple courtney was so toxic i mean she wrote 32 pages of duncans flaws like common gwuncan was such a good ship but how it started was so bad like they could've been the best couple
Honestly it really sucks because back in island, it was clear Duncan made Courtney less uptight and let her have more fun, and Courtney brought Duncan's soft side out. But then action ruined it, they went from bringing out the bet in each other to being toxic (especially courtney)
I can't watch basic staining and then imagine courtney writing an essay on how he needs to change
Basically, both couples have something wrong, one for being based on conditions and not accepting themselves as they are, and the other for the wrong execution
@@kaylaHat And this is what makes TD a such good series. No relations are perfect and some won't last for long, and total drama gave us a great lesson of this
I’m pretty sure Cartoon Network forced the creator of total drama to do it.They made Courtney toxic in her relationship with Duncan so then they could make Gwuncan happen to show,kids your supposed to like people with similar interests and personality like you.If they had just improved Duncan and Courtney’s relationship and made it less toxic while Gwen stayed as a good friend for Duncan it would have been a lot better.
I never realized just how much good banter they had until now 🖤💙
Ikkkkkk
Damn
I ship them more then I ever thought I would
Ewww
@@sandybonilla742 shut
@@sandybonilla742 just cause you dont like a ship doesnt mean you have to reply to every comment saying how much you hate it
@°~•TrainSketcher•~° I agree I’m just sharing mime
@@sandybonilla742 Then I suggest being nicer about your own opinions. I recommend saying something like this, "I personally don't ship this, but, I respect it!" Rather than "eeww". It just makes you look like a toxic shipper and people are no doubt going to attack you for it.
Gwen: okay Duncan your hot okay? You look hot sexy stunt like
Duncan: that's better
I love that part
i love this sm finally someone who actually ships them
Look Gwen and Duncan had a great friendship but that's what makes their relationship that much better, it's a friendly one that's more relaxed and without expectations. And what is a girlfriend/boyfriend if not a friendship with extra benefits
At least Gwen and Duncan get get along. I didn’t like how Duncan and Courtney always argued. Never understood their ship and why so many people preferred them
Your slow
@@sierramarie1698 and ur mad over a ship in a cartoon
@@sierramarie1698 *You're
agreed
Agreed mane- I still don’t like how the writers made them both cheat on their lovers despite them both being super in love in them. Would’ve been better if both couples broke it off before Duncan and Gwen happened
7:30 lmfao had forgotten that Duncan could not only sing to communicate, it was very random to hear the panic of both with Duncan sound mode
Finally people who like Gwuncan. I've found my people
Boooo!!!!!!
@@evanholloway1692 ok duncey shipper
@Joshua Layug courtney and duncan had potential. until they ruined courtney.
I love both the characters sm. And they r so cute together
you don’t deserve to have people
3:46 was the scene I started shipping them
Same
0:19 to 0:34
They were better off really good friends, because honestly, I love their friendship dynamic.
Cheating will always be wrong, I agree. But Duncan and Gwen have similar interests, get along, can be competitive without taking it personally, and like each other as they are, without wanting to change huge aspects of the others personality. That's more than I can say for both Courney and Duncan, AND Gwen and Trent together. The other two were relationships of convenience and surface level attraction, nothing more. Gwen and Duncan actually like each other. It was just shitty that the writers didn't want it, and thus it turned out the way it did.
The thing is, I can understand where the person who cheated is coming from, like how Duncan was abused by Courtney. When someone in a toxic relationship with an abusive partner cheats on said partner, I tend to sympathize with the former because they had a sympathetic motive. I do not condone cheating, but I understand if they felt like they just wanted to be free from their abusers. That's why I do not have any sympathy for Courtney, because she pushed Duncan away from her by treating him like dirt. She brought all of it on herself. Then, she and everyone else had the nerve to act like it was the biggest betrayal ever, conveniently forgetting all the times she abused him, assaulted him, treated him like garbage, and betrayed him. Yeah, that really helped me lose any form of sympathy I had for Courtney.
Another piece of advice, dude, Tom McGillis and the writers were idiots for liking Duncney better and writing Gwuncan the way they did.
I shipped them a lot when I was a kid, I never saw them as friends.
In Total Drama & DramaRama, Duncan & Gwen are My Favorites, They are the Best.
Gwen and Duncan would’ve done way better if it wasn’t for the whole love triangle aspect of the show. They only did it to add more drama, when realistically it wasn’t needed. Everyone knew Duncan and Courtney was running on a short fuse. All stars just messed up everything even further ruining plenty of classic favorites. Gwen, Duncan, Lindsay etc.
This relationship could have been so much better if the writers weren’t forced to include it when they had to. if there was proper time to develop it then it would have been so much more sensual and less toxic .. gwuncan deserved better
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
As a former duncey shipper, you indeed correct.
Petition for the writers to make a gwuncan series where they change the cheating breakup with Courtney and instead just make that relationship end with Duncan confessing to Courtney that he doesn’t like her anymore.
They had much better chemistry than Courtney and Duncan ever did in my opinion
Nah Duncan and Courtney had great chemistry in Season 1
@@TheStarswearee TILL THEY RUINED HER
@@TheStarswearee till all stars, then it was just a toxic relationship, they should've kept that ep private.
Duncan and Courtney have more sexual tension in reality
Courtney and Duncan had sexual tension in S1, but Gwen and Duncan had the better relationship in my opinion.
Those dislikes are just Trent and Courtney getting jealous....😂
No it’s from anyone with common sense
@@sierramarie1698 No offence but. I shipped Duncan and Gwen so damn hard even though their relationship was kinda senseless but I still want them together.
Honestly I think people need to chill. I get most people dislike the ship but I think it may lead to people harassing others.
@@starrynight669 I totally agree!
@@sierramarie1698 You do know ppl can different opinions on ships?
I don't hate them being together, they are actually great friends. However, I don't think hooking anyone up will resolve anything, and that putting them back with either each other, Trent, or even Courtney will not move the story forward. With Gwuncan as a couple, the execution was terrible and people just complain that he is a bad boyfriend because he's not as nice as Trent, and that he had "feelings" for Courtney in All-Stars. I thought it was that he actually wanted to bother Courtney again, since he was bullying her after all that happened in Action, trying to control him, and kicking him in the balls. People will argue that Courtney will try to change him for the better, but Courtney's demands were more for herself than to change him as a person, making the list seem more shallow. He was meaner to Courtney yes, but after having a control-freak girlfriend who got his girlfriend voted off, you can see through his perspective. Was it OOC? Not so much during world tour but yes during Total Drama All-Stars. I did not like Gwen during Season 5, she was very ignorant and cruel towards Duncan, and people think that she is innocent but really she just plays the victim card and end up not taking responsibility for her actions. With Gwen, she wanted Courtney to stop ignoring her but she kept on doing it to Duncan because in her opinion it would distract her. Duncan did care for Gwen, he started asking about Courtney twice, and she broke up with him for that reason which is ironically hypocritical since she was more obsessed with getting Courtney's attention. This is a common thing with Gwen, she lacks commitment in serious relationships. An example of this is with Trent, she gave back to him 50% of the time, and was mad at him a majority of the time because she did not trust him for leaving her in dirt and due to Heather's kiss. None of that was his fault, and in Action, Gwen was thinking that Trent was becoming obsessed with her (NOT DUNCAN'S FAULT SO PEOPLE SHUT THE F*CK UP AND STOP BLAMING HIM), and Duncan and Harold gave her their opinion to help her (which really didn't). Instead of talking to Trent, she just chooses to not talk to him then break up. Trent did mess up since he misinterpreted Owen's words as to throw challenges, and did not trust Gwen at all to make choices for herself. So hooking them up will not help their characters redeem Trent or anyone else for that matter. Now moving onto Duncney.
Duncan was an interesting character. He was a bad boy, a flirt, a jerk, and a strong competitor, my overall favorite. He has issues considering feelings since he takes the game pretty seriously when it comes to the show, and communication issues. Sure he bullied Harold, but then again Geoff and DJ were not even under his influence and that they just chose to do it. With Duncan, he is honestly overhated to an extent (same for Owen, Courtney), since people hate how he was never a nice guy, a jerk to Harold, won the second season, accidentally caused a wedge between Gwent, and cheated on Courtney. That's the point of his character, he's a bad boy, but he never stoops as low as Heather or Alejandro or even Courtney for that matter. He's more towards the protagonists side because he does not approve of their actions. I get the bullying Harold part was wrong, but then again having a guy who leaves crusty underwear on the floor, keeps trying to show off their skills by talking about it and being annoying to everyone else, is pretty annoying. However, Duncan does have some respect for Harold, in a jerky-way. He taught Harold how to fight, and worked with him during the end of the war challenge. With him getting to the merge, Courtney was the reason he was mainly targeted so that way they can weaken her. Sure he is not as strong in the merge as he was during the 1st half, but consider how Leshawna's story was done, nobody really liked Justin when he left, and etc. If you think he got plot armor for that season, then you guys have forgotten that Lindsay could have been eliminated in an earlier episode, but since DJ quit she stayed and developed. Let's also not forget that both Alejandro and Heather had some plot armor during World Tour (and Island for Heather). While I get both characters are strong contestants, Heather could have left during the premerge without his return, and Alejandro could have left if Sierra did not accidentally blow up the plane. For breaking up Gwent, he never once actually tried to break them up on purpose, he was caught in a misunderstanding. He only gave Gwen his opinion on what he thought was going on with Trent, but she chose not to talk to Trent and instead listened to Duncan. Duncan never manipulated Gwen, he never even lied to her, and did not even try to change her. Ok this is the one thing I think that could have been written better, the cheating incident in World Tour. For someone who is supposed to be straight with people, he kissed his friend behind his girlfriend's back and voted her off. But then again, when was he ever supposed to be the nicest guy? Also, you can see through his perspective that he was sick of the abuse and stress Courtney was giving to him. Since after Courtney's elimination in Island, she was getting worse as a person as they grew more comfortable to each other. It brought out the worse in both of them, and it is definitely not right to hook them back up after Season 3 and 5.
Now Courtney, I am kind of mixed on her character. She was a good character without Duncan involved or even Gwen. She is inconsistently written which sucks, but you can see through her perspective though. She is a demanding character, who wants things to go her way, has a superiority complex, who boasts her CIT status, and would wear the pants in any relationship. She was always bossy and kind of hypocritical during her run in Island. However, she left Duncan for the million, nearly killed Owen, DJ, Tyler, and Cody, bribed everyone's lives for the million, unleashed her anger on all of her team, threw challenges, and betrayed her new boyfriend and best friend in the end. I think she does deserve a huge amount of redemption and to make the finale. However, I think 2nd place would be a better placement for her since she needs to learn to accept that money is not everything and that friends and family are more important than anything.
i agree with you and to me gwen was just a fake friend and was making out with duncan right after duncan and courtney broke up which thats wrong i didnt like gwen at all just bc her character was meh to me and they should have left courney and duncan be they had good chemistry and when he called her princess it felt so right and he didnt even give gwen a name and seemed like gwen and duncan relationship was by force but this is all my opinion so no hate
@@brookezpt7705 I understand that it is your opinion, but I don't agree with Gwen being a fake friend and the making out after the break up part. She and Duncan were actually better as friends in the end of Island and Action, he did not even vote her off, and ended up having fun with her by taking apart the bus, and making good laughs at each other. Their relationship was terrible as they both have communication issues and etc. The only nicknames Duncan came up with for Gwen were Dollface and Pasty, which does make sense since she is really pale compared to the rest of the cast, but he does not call her that too much. Honestly, the chemistry was only good during Island, Action became pretty toxic and World Tour was the couple's demise. I do think that Duncney would have been better if they kept their old chemistry from Island, and etc. But for now, I hope they forgive each other and accept that they are terrible for each other.
Woah, I’m really surprised I actually read all that, but I agree. It’s also important to remember that Trent’s jealousy issues would’ve ruined his relationship with Gwen even without Duncan there. And in World Tour right when Duncan quit the show, I feel like that was a subtle way of him abandoning his relationship with Courtney, personally I don’t think he meant to cheat on Courtney when he did.
@@acidicali7776 thank you man
@@acidicali7776 Oh, when I said with or without that comment, means if Duncan did not say it. I do agree that Duncan was a reason, but without his comment the result would have been the same. The other part, yeah that's a good point.
When I was a kid, I thought I was weird for shipping these two. Now I know EVERYONE SHIPPED THEM. I feel vindicated, ngl.
This couple would be so good if Duncan and Courtney remembered they broke up, stayed friends, and then Gwen dates Duncan, and then the 3 of them could've been a cool trio friendship.
They were such a cute couple🥺
Not rlly they were cute as friends
@@dounia4221 yess tbh duncan and courtney are cute as coupl
CUTE!!!!???? 😡😡😡😡😡
YOU CALL THAT CUTE!!!!????😡😡😡😡😡
@@evanholloway1692 wait……
@@evanholloway1692 I know you
Duncan deserves to be happy with Gwen. As a kid loved him with Courtney but as a adult holy shit she was so toxic n controlling. Physical abuse out the door just the mental abuse is beyond toxic. Bad writing messed up everyone but thats her from s1
Actually I think it’s what soulmates look like, romantically or friendly wise! They have their own connection through all show, but at the end writers of the show just screwed up! 😫
Gwuncan is a way better ship than duncney, theres never a scene where courtney isnt physically or mentally abusing Duncan.
5:53, This was actually my favorite moment of them and that was it. Everything else was degraded from there.
7:08, OH-kay...
7:33, I can't believe he refused to sing for the first half of TD:WT, because Duncan has a VOICE on him
9:03, Awwwwwwww...
what season is 5:53
7:33 only scene i Liked in gwuncan
@@what-uo6ygthe season is action and the episode is gwen and forgot
The relationship and friendship between Duncan and Gwen is like the one between my bestfriend and I
Duncan and Gwen could have been epic I was so happy when they got together to in world tour. Duncany shippers are holding on to season 1 Courtney and Duncan and they were my favs too but sadly she changed and it wasn’t healthy. Gwen and Duncan changed but not that much so it made sense they would want to be together. He went to Gwen because 1 there was always something there and 2. Because Courtney was too controlling and wanted to change him while Gwen liked him for himself. But all stars messed it up and I’m just gonna imagine it never happened. 😂
GWUNCAN FANS RISE!! this for us
Destroy all GWUNCAN fans!!!!! 🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖🪖
I absolutely love them, everyone says they are forced and Duncan never truly liked Gwen but for me it’s the opposite!! I always felt like Duncan really liked Gwen more than Courtney, Gwen understood him and it was overall an healthier relationship
That’s right.
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Shut up
“You’re gonna trap a raccoon with a sledgehammer” I forgot this even happened until today. And now I remember how crazy this idea was😂 Duncan the goat
i hate how gwuncan gets so much hate. they were so underrated and had so much potential!!
YES
Gwuncan’s grown on me so much! They were so healthy 😌
9:55 had no reason to be this funny 😆😭😭💀
i personally prefer Gwen x Courtney, but Gwuncan worked better than Courtney x Duncan did! I just don't understand why people normalize toxic relationships like these
Courtney is so abusive I cant💀🧚♂️ ship what you want tho
@@kylaraw8154 Get out 😐 👉🏼 🚪
@@ifellinlovewithawar I said ship what you want 😃
@Chris Quintrell duncan taught Courtney to have fun and not be serious all time while Courtney made duncan a little nicer so they helped each other but they had to ruin the characters in action and world tour! I ship duncney and no body can change my mind but I respect what u all ship
Bruh don’t come with your homosexuality this show was great without it
My favorite TD ship! They had so much potential, and really could've been a beautiful couple! I really hate how they got together, and everything that went down in All Stars. Otherwise, I loved their chemistry. Gwen didn't try to change Duncan like Courtney did. She embraced him for who he was, as he did her. They actually seemed to have gotten to know each other way before they developed feelings, like that one clip of Duncan naming off things he knew about Gwen. Meanwhile, he didn't even know Courtney's favorite color. I know some people think Duncan was manipulating Gwen, but that couldn't be far from the truth. These two had a really nice bond that unfortunately got ruined. I like to imagine that after the show, they were able to make things right with each other by either staying friends, or getting back together.
honestly gwen and duncan should have been on the same team in season 1, they’d have gotten along easily and wouldn’t have any courtney problems. gwuncan is a great ship, it just needed better writing
i know this is super unpopular but gwuncan is my favorite because they had so much chemistry and courtney was so abusive, i can't stand that courtney's abuse is downplayed and she's so popular in the fandom but gwen is *EVIL* for kissing duncan when courtney is a psychotic abuser? like duncney is the pinnacle of abuse towards males in the media being downplayed for mere comedy when it's a genuine problem
i wish that the show had been written that duncan would break up with courtney and he would realize that gwen treated him so much better and genuinely didn't have a laundry list of what was wrong with him (side note wtf why do people not see a problem w this??) and she was genuinely so sweet to him
As a Duncney shipper for only TDI, I agree. After watching Action and seeing how much she mistreated him after her last season elimination, it made me dislike her so much. I know Duncan isn't a saint either for his comments but he never hit Courtney or wrote a list on her faults. If it were reverse, the fandom would DESPISE Duncan and be happy that Courtney cheated on him with someone else. I know cheating shouldn't be the answer but Courtney went from someone who was in denial for liking a bad boy to someone who wanted to date him AND change him, despite knowing who he was in the first place. They were cute in the first season but after that, the writers really messed it up.
@@suspiciousstar7547 PERIOD.
I love how everyone else in the comments is wondering how compatible they are or how fast they got together and I’m just over here like “why are there only some characters that have eye colors?”
You are very wrong. For example Jeff and Heather have eye colors, not only Duncan and Gwen.
You are so right. One thing that always makes me laugh is how Chris looks like he has no soul because his eyes are just black dots
that just means they have black eyes-
i mean, dark eyes are common irl so I didn’t give it much thought tbh
@@hydraph4843 you say that like theres a chance he does have a soul
duncan is pro gwuncan and i’m here for it
Ugh I just love these two together 😩 I looove their friends-besties-lovers storyline and they’re also so cute together (when Duncan takes a leech for his girl 10:18 🥺🦋). I just wish they were written a little better in canon, but I still see a vision with them 💖🌈
I wish they would’ve kept Gwen’s hardcore personality how she was in Season 1
they could've been such a cute couple. I love them so much
My first time seeing __ minutes “bi” and I’m living for it. It’s about time the bis and the pans got their recognition.
Duncan and Gwen are such a good friend together but they would be a better couple
I love how people say they rushed gwuncan when there's literally chemistry between them since episode 1 lol
I wish they would’ve kept them as something like a best friend dynamic. They are so similar and we’re always great on screen. Bringing a relationship into ended up ruining them plus Trent and Courtney.
Duncan and Gwen had so much chemistry together. They were the prefect couple. I liked that pairing more than Gwen and Trent or Duncan and Courtney. They should've just paired up Duncan and Gwen from the beginning and have them stay together. Lol.
"well you dont see that everyday" really got me-
50th comment: Man, it sucks those two broke up in All Stars, and horrifically horrible it was, too. What was that all about tryin’ to get Courtney’s attention all of the sudden?!? He didn’t need to show off his relationship w/ Gwen so Courtney would b jealous. Besides, Courtney moved on, and he should have, too! But overall, Gwen and Duncan’s breakup was bad, and their love oughta b mended, hopefully in the revival series.
I think that was either to stroke and boost his fragile ego that was breaking down when he became a heroic hamster, plus he wanted to annoy her because Courtney neglected him, or that he Gwen was not giving him any attention at all throughout the entire season. Plus, he did not even try to bother after the Gwuncan breakup, and he was supportive of Gwen for the first 4 episodes. Throughout the entire season, Gwen was pretty mean and hypocritical towards Duncan as a whole. Plus, the writers just wanted to give Gwen an excuse to break them up.
@@ryanregala948 Un-freakin’-believable.
I don't really like the ship, I just like Courtney x Gwen and Courtney x Duncan
@@homurakin And that's fine honestly. You're free to ship whoever you want, just as not as villifying and demonizing any of the characters to make your ship better.
@@ryanregala948 you've just called out the entire fandom of MHA with one sentence LMAO
i love how tyler just peeks at duncan and gwen kissing suprised and slowly goes back
i haven’t even watched this show properly yet but I can already tell that this is the best couple I’ve ever laid eyes on
Let's be honest, when we fist watched them at the beggining of tdi we all thought they would be a thing (before we even knew courtney and trent's existence)
They honestly have such a darn good dynamic, and I've somehow never noticed it.
GWENCUN>>>>>>>> duncney
I really didn’t like Courtney and Duncan as a couple. In season two when they were trying to get back together and Courtney made the novel list of things that Duncan had to do to be with her was just ridiculous and borderline mental abuse. I like Duncan and Gwen together they’re very cute and get each other. And they’re not trying to force the other person to change. Gwen and Trent were kind of cute but Trent lost all of his magic in season two and just became OCD, and purposefully throwing challenges for Gwen when she didn’t want that. She wanted to win fair and square.
Also when Duncan took the leech for Gwen that was low-key very sweet.
Gwen x Duncan will always be my fav couple no matter what❤
Gwuncan might not be as funny but it definitely was a much healthier relationship
Yep.
Also, love how people are mad about their relationship. Like, why are y’all here 💀
IDK why people are denying the obvious chemistry and sexual tension between these two but OK lol.
Gwen and dducan were such a cute couple cuz when i 1st started watching them i new there were a thing and trent is such a player boy
People swore up and down that he was done dirty by her but he was checking out Heather/kissing her back and he was checking out the dizzy blond like he wanted her while claiming to have eyes only for Gwen.
I’m not saying it couldn’t have worked, but it was how it happened. Yes Courtney was controlling, but she didn’t deserve to get cheated on
@NateTD no. He wasn't.
@NateTD ew no.
She wasn’t just a controlling she was an abusive cunt🤷♀️
If Gwen and Duncan were to be. A couple they. Should’ve been developed as one in season one
I like Courtney and Duncan because rivals to lovers is one of my favorite tropes. It’s just that when they started dating it was super toxic. Gwen and Duncan were a lot better together it just wasn’t written well.
All-Stars screwed this relationship, like it screwed most of the cast. Because I think that this relationship was written well in World Tour, also it had good (although probably unintentional in Island) foreshadowing.
@@fallen9997Worth mentioning the voice actor of Duncan actually preferred Duncan X Gwen
i dont blame the characters i blame the writers
I always wanted them together and my wish got granted My favorite two characters
I think that Gwen and Duncan make a perfect couple
“And make more of those Gwuncan videos!” You heard the man!
Best „friends to lovers”😌
"If he already had that many screws loose, you didn't unscrew any more."
And now my otp is gone...Thanks All Stars...
Ok ngl one of my favorite couples in totaln drama, BUT WHY WERE THEY WRITEN LIKE THAT TOWARDS THE ENDDD
LIKE THESE TWO WENT FROM CUTE TO AWKWARDLY ONE-SIDED?? IDKK ;-;
They look like there was already some sort of chemistry since the beginning ! ❤
2:22 Gwen: "THAT GUT"
Literally Duncan: |