Jesse knows his goalies. Credit to him he’s got a perfect list. Also Luca just straight up oblivious about demko multiple years he’s been carrying the Nucks. He’s the only reason Canucks weren’t the worst team in the league for multiple years. Yes there’s injury concerns but you can’t deny the talent and the stats back it up too.
@@jonathanlazarotto417 I agree with what he said about Demko. He played well in the regular season but he has no real playoff record compared to these other goaltenders. He played a single game in the playoffs and got injured. A goalie who gets injured when it matters most is not seen as very reliable.
I know nobody outside of Vancouver was watching the Canucks until this past year because of how bad they were, but to say Demko has only had one period of sustained success is false. He has had multiple streaks of fantastic play over the years, however the team around him was getting so caved in, it was hard to notice.
While often being injured. This *WAS* the first season he's been relatively healthy...and he didn't play a *FULL* season, but he played more....which is exactly what they said as to why they had him where he was
@@AscendedXSaiyan You're wrong about that. In 2019-20, he only missed 6 games(concussion). In 2021-22, he missed 4 because he had covid. So this was his 5th year being a full time Canuck, 2 of those years he missed minimal time, and then this year he played 51 games despite missing the end bit of the season.
@@NylanderHas5StarDragonBalls He struggled to get shutouts in his early years, but you might also be thinking of Markstrom. He took something like 100 NHL games before he got one
@Thedog674 But how has he not been stealing games? He's had one of the best playoff records for a few years now. The Rangers were 2 wins away from the finals because of him (twice). I don't see how comparing him to the best goalies several years ago is relevant.
@@boomy1405 same, his save percentage has stayed consistent for most of his career, while his GAA fluctuates. Obviously a sign that it's the team problem, not him.
Ikr makes zero sense to have swayman there after 1 good season while demko been carrying van for 3 years. Also swayman hasn’t played a full starting season yet like demko
Enough Demko hate. Just because the canucks were a tire fire until last season doesn't mean Thatcher hasn't been sniffing around a vezina nomination since 2021. Guy put the team on his back for months at a time.
I thought Demko at 4 would be minimum for me. the other top goalies are so close though, that I'd say Demko at 1, 2, 3 or 4 would all be fair. to put him around 8 because the canucks had some rough years as a team.... not his fault. he still had insane stats with insane saves. honestly, Canucks have always been super lucky with having some top goalies... even when the rest of the team plays poorly
Luca: this is all about current form, so sorokin and vasy are lower. Also luca: Demko was good last year but his history was just meh. Do the past years matter or not luca😂😂
Luca was brutal during this. Wants to go off of form for Vasi but when it comes to Demko he wants to talk about what has he done except for this one season LMAO. Come on man. Be consistent
I feel like there’s some sort of Mandela effect happening or something with Oettinger lol. He wasn’t that great in the playoffs and he played a similar # of games as Demko last season with a 0.905 SV, 2.72 GA, and a 35-14-4 record. Demko played 51 games with a 0.918 SV, 2.45 GA, and a 35-14-2 record. Also, putting Demko lower with the reasoning that “we haven’t seen enough from him” or that that he hasn’t played enough games regularly, and then placing Swayman higher just doesn’t make sense. Not arguing the ranking (Swayman is incredible), but the reasoning doesn’t really align and the same criteria isn’t applied throughout the ranking.
In 24 playoff games, Otter has a .916, 2.24 GA, and is 3 years younger than Demko. Demko's peak of play may be higher, but it's not unreasonable to say you'd go with Otter based on playoff consistency and age
@@landinimoore7888 True, I see where you’re coming from but my reasoning comes from this list being a ranking of goalies at this moment, and at this point in time I think Demko is a slightly better goalie. I based my reasoning on this past year’s performance only since I assume that’s what this list mainly is. If it was a ranking of all current active goalies based on their careers, I think neither Oettinger or Demko would make the top 10 at this time, and Vasilevskiy would be ranked significantly either. I guess we’ll see in a few years time who truly ends up being the better goalie overall.
@JH-jw7pu I totally get your point and don't blame you for that decision. Based on purely last year Demko was better, but his injuries really hurt him. Both guys are easily top 8 to me when healthy
@LRon-Hoyabembe Dallas was great defensively in the playoffs, but really their defense hasn't been great the past few years. Especially for that Calgary series. I do see your point though so I don't blame you thinking he's kinda overrated. Look at Hellebyuck though, with "one of the best defensive teams" he got blown out. Goalies are just weird I guess haha
It's incredible that people will put Jake Oettinger above a Saros or a Sorokin when he has literally never once had a higher save % or GSAx in any season and he's on one of the best teams in the league that is elite defensively. BTW guys Demko has had good season apparently even though he's got 3 of his last 4 seasons at .915SV% or higher but Oetter who has had 1 of his last 4 at .915SV% or higher on a better team is one of the best in the league, good logic Luca. Anything Luca says means nothing after saying "what should I respect" about Vasi....
@@hussamalqassem1764 he was one of the worst goalies in the playoffs in one of those seasons lol, just because he's on a good team doesn't mean he is better individually. Using your logic then Georgiev needs to be on this list, Grubauer too, Kuemper won a cup so lets get him on here. Saros and Sorokin have either won a vexina or placed second in vezina voting and have been better than Oettinger in every single season he's been in the league...
@LRon-Hoyabembe That one 7 game series against the Flames where he was the best goalie in the world fooled everyone and for some reason nobody has realized that since then he's been average to solid at best. People call him a "playoff goalie" because of that yet the next year over a larger sample size he was a literal liability and had the second worst GSAx in the playoffs with only Vanecek being worse and only Skinner being even close to him of the guys that were better.
@@sully_99that year he played more games than anyone and got burned out. You literally can see his stats get worst as the playoffs go on. Even the GM admitted they overplayed a second year starter. He is usually money in the playoffs, just look at this year
16:25 having Shesterkin in 3rd is ridiculous He is far and beyond the best goalie and no one who claims to know anything about hockey would ever put him anything else
Andrei Vasilevskiy has never had a save % below .900. On top of that, the only 3 seasons he's played under 50 games were the COVID year, his rookie year, and his second year. He then played 71 additional playoff games (including 7 shutouts) between 19-20 and 21--22 including a compressed 20-21 regular season. He finally showed signs of fatigue last year. Betting on him to bounce back seems a safe bet.
Honestly for sure. How did he steal that many games for an Arizona team with that roster. So so so impressive to watch. I’ve been high on him since he was on Tampa. Usually picked him up or traded for him on my Chel fantasy teams lolol
Last year vasy was 34-22 with a 915 sv % ? This year he had surgery, was bad for a couple months and wad great from January on. Sorokin was healthy and wasn't trusted to start in the playoffs
@@Brn934 disagree. 1-3 is obvious. Who is at number 10 is not. The audience will stick around to see where their favourite goalie lands or even makes the list. You do one name at a time where Z asks everyone ‘who is number x’ and then the panel debates it out between any discrepancies. It would have given the show better structure, have everyone on the list talked about and why they are on the list.
Also man can we talk about the job Oettingers PR team did to turn one and a half good seasons and beating the Calgary flames (lol flames) in the playoffs into having him looked at as a top 5 threat is crazy. Love the guy but man. Also sorry for all my bitching lol love y’all ❤
Sorokin and Oettinger had basically identical Goals Save Above Expected last year except Sorokin has a better track record, definitely second the motion to remove Luca from the goalie comittee lmao
This is my unfiltered take. Didn't watch the video yet and have not read any comments: 10. Markstrom 9. Ullmark 8. Sorokin 7. Saros 6. Swayman 5. Vasileski 4. Demko 3. Ottenger 2. Hellabuyck 1. Shesterkin I think these are the top ten in the NHL current and in order of who I would want on my team for the 2024-25 season. Edit: crazy to forget Bob. Lol he would actually be my #2 and would move everyone else back one place.
Luca must’ve seen the comments abt him being a pushover and hardly ever confidently defending his opinions so now he’s just screaming like a jackass lol. Come on
Demko has been a .910% + guy for 4 seasons now, last season was a fluke year with an injury. The only other reason he didn’t play 50 games is because of Markstrom. He’s 6’5, moves unbelievably well, has top 3 technical skill in the league.
If you factor in the D in front of these guys Helly's stock goes way up. The one post season where he looked good was the one time Winnipeg actually had a compitent D-core with no AHLers.
Canada's goaltending situation is supremely suspect going into 2025/2026 international competition. Russia and USA are so stacked (not to mention USA has a Tkachuk-Hughes 5-man line) they're really going to struggle. Good for them, though. Speaking of Bucky's "workload" though, he only played 60 games last year. His Round 1 opponent Georgiev played 63. Saros played 64. Not saying it's not a lot, but the Central has 6 of the top 10 most played/started goalies in the NHL.
Luca is actually wild. The canucks took the oilers to 7 and were top of the league for most of the year. Yet they don't have a top 5 goalie, nor do they have a top 25 skater outside of Hughes. How is he arguing swayman over demko when swayman has never had the load of a starter? Even with demko's injury's over the last 3 years. Swayman started 43 last year, Demko started 51. Year before 33 for Swayman, 32 for Demko. Year before that 39 for Swayman, Demko started 61. So Demko became a starter 4 years ago.. He missed like 5 games due to a concussion his first year, he had his first big injury in the coach swap year.. So has had 2 seasons starting 50+ games in his first 4 seasons.
this whole list, which is wild by the way, could be summed up by Jesse's statement at 13:00. They are getting caught up with numbers, which tell a lot but not near everything. As a goalie and when I watch, the technique of some goalies like Vasi is incredible. He pulls stuff off that seems inhuman. also all aboard the underrated Saros train...
Idk if Swayman should be in the top 5, mainly because he and ulmark split games for the past few years, Saros should be in the top 5. I think it should go: 1. Shesterikin 2.Hellebyck 3. Bob 4. Demko 5. Saros 6. Vasy 7. Swayman 8. Sorokin 9. Otter 10. ulmark
A cool way to do these rankings is to have each of them submit a list and then give each player a score or average ranking to create the cumulative list. You could score it like 1st - 10pts 2nd - 9pts …… 10th - 1pt This is to a total of 40pts. Just an idea to aid in the creation of the cumulative list
Food for thought in the future in regards to Canadian goalies, watch out for Josh Ravensbergen on the Prince George Cougars. Kid out of North Vancouver took Ty Young's spot as a 16 year old and had an insane season in the dub. 2.46 GAA, .907 SV%, 6 Shutouts, 26-4-1 in 38 Games. Kid has size and makes some ridiculous saves, great instincts to boot. He might be the next great goalie coming out of BC.
Sorokin plays an average season after putting up unreal numbers for 3 years by getting overworked by the worst coach I’ve ever seen, then under Roy plays through the rest of the season likely dealing with back issues. Roy knew he needed serious serious rest so he got limited minutes. Now we know confirmed the guy had back surgery once the season was over. To take the guy from 2-3 to 10-12 because of that is absolute bs
Lindgren would make my list, the caps defence has been so hot and cold and you can't expect to save 40+ shots a night and win every game the fact he had a .911 considering and now the caps might have gone and tightened up there D Chuckie could be a power house
Jesus Julia that might be the worst take I’ve ever heard every single playoff series the rangers have won since 2020 he has stolen multiple games and been responsible for every series win except that capitals series this year, they probably win that regardless. The rangers offense disappears in the playoffs every single year it’s literally legendary meme status and it is on shesterkin to win the game and the series. Peep the Carolina series this past season we go up 3-0 cause shesterkin stands on his head and steals games 2 and 3 where we were pinned in our own zone for most of those games. Even the Florida series remove shesterkin and that’s a sweep he got the rangers 2 games and gave them a chance. He has brought them to the conference finals 2x in the last 3 years and has a vezina already just gotta get the rest of the team to help him get them to a cup.
we have to remember the situation the Canucks were in in terms of their defensive core before last season. Demko carried that team on his back for a good while before they found success this past year. he's has many stretches of outstanding play, and a deserving vezina candidate after last season even despite injury
just because canucks had some rough years doesn't mean Demko's only had 1 good year! he's a GOOD goalie and shouldn't be considered bad because of the team in previous years... this coming from a canucks fan lol.... he does have to figure his rare injury out though!
If we're talking the past couple seasons, yeah Vasy is 5-10 range. If we're talking whole career, 1 hands down, no contest. Fastest goalie to 300 wins EVER.
1. Igor 2. Hellebuyck 3. Saros 4. Swayman 5. Bobrovsky 6. Vasilevskiy 7. Demko 8. Sorokin 9. Ullmark 10. Oetter or Binner HM: Markstrom and maybe Freddie Andersen 1 and 2 should be easy, 3 and 4 could be swapped but Saros has played a lot more and been consistent almost every year, Bob gets 5 due to recent playoff play then 6 through 9 are interchangeable (maybe you could say 5-9 are interchangeable, I think respect the guy who just won the cup) and then 10th is Oetter or Binner and Markstrom and Andersen are probably the only two even close to Oetter and Binner.
@@elijahdoesmine9964 I think it depends on the criteria, Binnington last year was way better than Oettinger but the two years before the Oettinger was miles better than Binnington. I would lean Oettinger just because of consistency but if you want to put more stock into just last season then Binnington is fair to put at 10th.
@@mannyoliveira776 Ullmark has been below a .915 one time and it was his first year not being a backup and he still had a .905, and he's won a vezina two years ago where he went 40-6-1 with a .938 and 1.89 GSAx, he's 9th at bare minimum. I also think Swayman moves up a bit but having him anywhere between 4th and 8th is fine imo. List is good but you gotta have Ullmark ninth at bare minimum and push Binner off the list, Binnington was great last year but two bad years before that whereas Ullmark has legitimately never had a bad season and his best season two years ago is way better than any season from some of those guys included.
@@sully_99 11.Georg 12.Markstr 13.Ullmrk 14.Skinnr 15.Lukkonen Ullmrk had 1 superb yr yes but he was 2nd fiddle last yr in Bos, & if he was so good as you claim then Bos would have extended him 7 or 8 yrs & traded Swaymn. But Swaymn is likely the better goalie & younger. Don't get me wrong I like Ullmrk & if someone had him 8th, 9th or 10th their would not be too much contention. But I think if he excels in Ottawa as a starter again & plays like 55 games, & gets a 2.60-2.70 GAA & .915 or better SV% then I would revise my list & he would be in the Top 10. Also, 2 yrs ago, he had 48 wins, but only 2 shutouts. You would expect 4 or 5 SHO's. Last yr again, just 2 SHO's. The Top 10 is hard to pick just 10 because you end up leaving out 4 or 5 goalies who have a case to slip into the Top 10.
Absolutely saros slander. Last year was tough on him sure: but we were changing systems in RECORD time with a more offensive system which left him high and dry and he still often held his ground. His athleticism is incredible. And yes, his size is smaller which makes being on a mid team (yes weve been mid at best) and putting up his numbers and games INSANE. Have some respecc
UPL does not deserve to be on this list this year but it's nice to see a few people did shout him out. He puts together a full season that looks like what he did in the 2nd half of last season, and god forbid the Sabres MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, he will easily be on this list next year. Surprised Levi didn't get a shout out either when talking about up and coming Canadian goaltenders. UPL-LEVI tandem could shock the league this season with a completely revamped bottom 6 and Lindy bringing the culture back to the bench. I, stupidly, have playoff expectations for Buffalo. PLEASE. MAKE IT STOP.
Vasi better than shesty is the last thing I’ll mention. She said no goalie could steal a series anymore but two minutes prior she said it’s crazy to thing that vasi couldnt
Luca complaining that Demko is a bandaid yet had Freddy Anderson #8 on his list 💀
LMAO didn’t even notice that 😂
Luca is a fake Italian
His takes are terrible.
Luca is such a casual who thinks he knows everything. His takes are honestly becoming worse than Jesse's.
Tbh I never lied Luca bro is a casual atp and then thinks that a goalie that won more then 1 vezna and has held the cup twice 😐
"Corwin would've had a field day with this." He would've, only because he's so DAMN HUMBLE.
Beyond HUMBLE
Jesse knows his goalies. Credit to him he’s got a perfect list. Also Luca just straight up oblivious about demko multiple years he’s been carrying the Nucks. He’s the only reason Canucks weren’t the worst team in the league for multiple years. Yes there’s injury concerns but you can’t deny the talent and the stats back it up too.
Luca talking a lot of shit for a guy who put Freddy Andersen in the top 8
Exactly. Freddy is hardly even an nhl goalie anymore.
I honestly agree with everything he said besides that
The disrespect from him on Demko also, wild
@@jonathanlazarotto417 I agree with what he said about Demko. He played well in the regular season but he has no real playoff record compared to these other goaltenders. He played a single game in the playoffs and got injured. A goalie who gets injured when it matters most is not seen as very reliable.
@@TheSnapbackwe just gonna forget about Demkos series against the knights in his rookie year?
Just waiting to see where Robert Thomas is on this one.
Robert Thomas is gross
he plays goalie?
@@buddyotx Yes. He is a goalie as much as he is better than Barkov. This is a joke referring to their earlier video.
I know nobody outside of Vancouver was watching the Canucks until this past year because of how bad they were, but to say Demko has only had one period of sustained success is false. He has had multiple streaks of fantastic play over the years, however the team around him was getting so caved in, it was hard to notice.
While often being injured. This *WAS* the first season he's been relatively healthy...and he didn't play a *FULL* season, but he played more....which is exactly what they said as to why they had him where he was
@@AscendedXSaiyan21-22 he played 64 games? Last year was his first big injury?
@@AscendedXSaiyan You're wrong about that. In 2019-20, he only missed 6 games(concussion). In 2021-22, he missed 4 because he had covid. So this was his 5th year being a full time Canuck, 2 of those years he missed minimal time, and then this year he played 51 games despite missing the end bit of the season.
I always knew him as that elite goalie in Vancouver who couldn’t record a shutout for the life of him
@@NylanderHas5StarDragonBalls He struggled to get shutouts in his early years, but you might also be thinking of Markstrom. He took something like 100 NHL games before he got one
Every time they mention Corwin one more tear rolls down my cheek
Why? HE left THEM.
He moved on to bigger things.
@@toke7342for a reason.
@@toke7342cause he was the most entertaining one
@@jaceking5938 true
I seriously need Julia to watch Igor Shesterkin play hockey games if she thinks he can’t steal games or series. The worst take I have ever heard
honestly idk why she’s on this podcast
@@benjamineppel537 i really don't know. I only know it's not because of her hockey knowledge or looks🗿
She is a woman, you can't expect much there
@@benjamineppel537 Because Corwin left and they wanted someone else to fill in. She's a part of the main group now.
@Thedog674 But how has he not been stealing games? He's had one of the best playoff records for a few years now. The Rangers were 2 wins away from the finals because of him (twice). I don't see how comparing him to the best goalies several years ago is relevant.
Saros is insanely underrated
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but Jesse has the best list here. Demko deserves to be top 5.
What does Luca consider a good season? Demko has had one mediocre season and 7 good ones
I had to look at the stats after he said
@@boomy1405 same, his save percentage has stayed consistent for most of his career, while his GAA fluctuates. Obviously a sign that it's the team problem, not him.
Arguing that Demko needs to prove it over a longer length of time and then ranking Swayman higher is crazy.
Right?
Ikr makes zero sense to have swayman there after 1 good season while demko been carrying van for 3 years. Also swayman hasn’t played a full starting season yet like demko
Swayman has a career high of 43 starts lol
@@zcohen17 Ik it’s crazy
Enough Demko hate. Just because the canucks were a tire fire until last season doesn't mean Thatcher hasn't been sniffing around a vezina nomination since 2021. Guy put the team on his back for months at a time.
There's no argument that he's elite, he just needs to stay healthy for a substantial amount of time before he can be seen as the guy (or one of them).
Look at games played. He's been a workhorse.
Demko at top 5 is fair
I thought Demko at 4 would be minimum for me. the other top goalies are so close though, that I'd say Demko at 1, 2, 3 or 4 would all be fair. to put him around 8 because the canucks had some rough years as a team.... not his fault. he still had insane stats with insane saves. honestly, Canucks have always been super lucky with having some top goalies... even when the rest of the team plays poorly
Did Julia seriously say Igor isn’t capable of stealing a serious when he’s done it multiple times 💀
The Saros disrespect is crazy. STOP IT!
Holy fuck! I did not even watch until the end when they dropped him down even more 😂
I AGREE! He's stuck on a mediocre team. He's probably the most athletic goalie in the league right now.
Agreed. He's very good.
It's the trend of the big goalie
Louis Domingue snubbed
Real
Luca acting like a baby for having bad takes is infuriating
Luca: this is all about current form, so sorokin and vasy are lower. Also luca: Demko was good last year but his history was just meh. Do the past years matter or not luca😂😂
also Luca: Anderson at 8
Luca was brutal during this. Wants to go off of form for Vasi but when it comes to Demko he wants to talk about what has he done except for this one season LMAO. Come on man. Be consistent
I feel like there’s some sort of Mandela effect happening or something with Oettinger lol. He wasn’t that great in the playoffs and he played a similar # of games as Demko last season with a 0.905 SV, 2.72 GA, and a 35-14-4 record. Demko played 51 games with a 0.918 SV, 2.45 GA, and a 35-14-2 record. Also, putting Demko lower with the reasoning that “we haven’t seen enough from him” or that that he hasn’t played enough games regularly, and then placing Swayman higher just doesn’t make sense. Not arguing the ranking (Swayman is incredible), but the reasoning doesn’t really align and the same criteria isn’t applied throughout the ranking.
In 24 playoff games, Otter has a .916, 2.24 GA, and is 3 years younger than Demko. Demko's peak of play may be higher, but it's not unreasonable to say you'd go with Otter based on playoff consistency and age
@@landinimoore7888 True, I see where you’re coming from but my reasoning comes from this list being a ranking of goalies at this moment, and at this point in time I think Demko is a slightly better goalie. I based my reasoning on this past year’s performance only since I assume that’s what this list mainly is. If it was a ranking of all current active goalies based on their careers, I think neither Oettinger or Demko would make the top 10 at this time, and Vasilevskiy would be ranked significantly either. I guess we’ll see in a few years time who truly ends up being the better goalie overall.
It's his one series against the flames where he had like a 972 sv % which is ingrained with everyone
@JH-jw7pu I totally get your point and don't blame you for that decision. Based on purely last year Demko was better, but his injuries really hurt him. Both guys are easily top 8 to me when healthy
@LRon-Hoyabembe Dallas was great defensively in the playoffs, but really their defense hasn't been great the past few years. Especially for that Calgary series. I do see your point though so I don't blame you thinking he's kinda overrated. Look at Hellebyuck though, with "one of the best defensive teams" he got blown out. Goalies are just weird I guess haha
luca doesnt seem to know a whole lot of anything about goalies lmao
It's incredible that people will put Jake Oettinger above a Saros or a Sorokin when he has literally never once had a higher save % or GSAx in any season and he's on one of the best teams in the league that is elite defensively. BTW guys Demko has had good season apparently even though he's got 3 of his last 4 seasons at .915SV% or higher but Oetter who has had 1 of his last 4 at .915SV% or higher on a better team is one of the best in the league, good logic Luca. Anything Luca says means nothing after saying "what should I respect" about Vasi....
Back to back conference finals. What has Saros or Sorokin done?
@@hussamalqassem1764 he was one of the worst goalies in the playoffs in one of those seasons lol, just because he's on a good team doesn't mean he is better individually. Using your logic then Georgiev needs to be on this list, Grubauer too, Kuemper won a cup so lets get him on here. Saros and Sorokin have either won a vexina or placed second in vezina voting and have been better than Oettinger in every single season he's been in the league...
@LRon-Hoyabembe That one 7 game series against the Flames where he was the best goalie in the world fooled everyone and for some reason nobody has realized that since then he's been average to solid at best. People call him a "playoff goalie" because of that yet the next year over a larger sample size he was a literal liability and had the second worst GSAx in the playoffs with only Vanecek being worse and only Skinner being even close to him of the guys that were better.
He wins playoff series
@@sully_99that year he played more games than anyone and got burned out. You literally can see his stats get worst as the playoffs go on. Even the GM admitted they overplayed a second year starter. He is usually money in the playoffs, just look at this year
Surprised Julia didn’t say Jake Allen
16:25 having Shesterkin in 3rd is ridiculous
He is far and beyond the best goalie and no one who claims to know anything about hockey would ever put him anything else
Luca had the absolute worst takes in this video
Andrei Vasilevskiy has never had a save % below .900. On top of that, the only 3 seasons he's played under 50 games were the COVID year, his rookie year, and his second year. He then played 71 additional playoff games (including 7 shutouts) between 19-20 and 21--22 including a compressed 20-21 regular season. He finally showed signs of fatigue last year. Betting on him to bounce back seems a safe bet.
As a goalie and a die hard Canucks fan I was yelling at the screen so much this video made me so mad Demko deserves better
Spicy conversation, glad to see Luca standing on business on this one
Connor Ingram will prove himself as Canada's #1, he is seriously underrated.
Honestly for sure. How did he steal that many games for an Arizona team with that roster. So so so impressive to watch. I’ve been high on him since he was on Tampa. Usually picked him up or traded for him on my Chel fantasy teams lolol
Hopefully, Canada needs goalies. Bad.
Honestly I agree with you. He's legit sneaky good, but unfortunately hes not a big name so canada wont ever consider him.
Two episodes this week, let’s go!! Keep it up, content from this group has been amazing
Sorokin has been elite for 3-4 years has 1 bad season and drops below vasy who’s been bad for the past couple years lol makes sense
One bad season with a shitty head coach for the first half that over worked him
One season where he missed two months due to back surgery and everyone wants to pretend Vasilevskiy is shit now. 😂🫵
Vasi got injured, Sorokin got replaced. There's a big difference
Vasy has two Cups, Conn Smythe and Vezina, what does Sorokin have?
Last year vasy was 34-22 with a 915 sv % ? This year he had surgery, was bad for a couple months and wad great from January on. Sorokin was healthy and wasn't trusted to start in the playoffs
You all did this backwards. It should have started at 1 then argue your way down.
Agree
yeah I found it really stupid
That’s not how you make a UA-cam video for retention.
@@Brn934 disagree. 1-3 is obvious. Who is at number 10 is not. The audience will stick around to see where their favourite goalie lands or even makes the list. You do one name at a time where Z asks everyone ‘who is number x’ and then the panel debates it out between any discrepancies. It would have given the show better structure, have everyone on the list talked about and why they are on the list.
luca's most insufferable video by far
Saying something as well
Also man can we talk about the job Oettingers PR team did to turn one and a half good seasons and beating the Calgary flames (lol flames) in the playoffs into having him looked at as a top 5 threat is crazy. Love the guy but man.
Also sorry for all my bitching lol love y’all ❤
Sorokin and Oettinger had basically identical Goals Save Above Expected last year except Sorokin has a better track record, definitely second the motion to remove Luca from the goalie comittee lmao
Demko catching strays in this video is crazy, guy carried the team for 3 years while the rest of it was a dumpster fire!
This is my unfiltered take. Didn't watch the video yet and have not read any comments:
10. Markstrom
9. Ullmark
8. Sorokin
7. Saros
6. Swayman
5. Vasileski
4. Demko
3. Ottenger
2. Hellabuyck
1. Shesterkin
I think these are the top ten in the NHL current and in order of who I would want on my team for the 2024-25 season.
Edit: crazy to forget Bob. Lol he would actually be my #2 and would move everyone else back one place.
sorokin top 5
Otteringer is not better than ullmark he had a mediocre season and wasn’t great in the playoffs, he had one good playoff run and that’s it
Oettinger 3rd 💀
Luca saying Demko has had one good season… cmon even Corwin wouldn’t say that
Luca must’ve seen the comments abt him being a pushover and hardly ever confidently defending his opinions so now he’s just screaming like a jackass lol. Come on
IF Jordan Binnington had a consistent defense, I think he should be on here somewhere.
Probably the most feared goalie to go against. Especially if you’re an avs or stars fan!
Binnington's GSA was 5th best in the league last year for goalies with more than half the starts. And that's with that fucking ugly Blues blueline.
Binnington has the mental strength of a 6 year old 😂
@@icysnax Binnington also has a Cup
@@radone97 a cup from 5 years ago has no relevance in this conversation
Demko has been a .910% + guy for 4 seasons now, last season was a fluke year with an injury. The only other reason he didn’t play 50 games is because of Markstrom. He’s 6’5, moves unbelievably well, has top 3 technical skill in the league.
Oettinger at nine is crazy. Without a doubt, he is within the top 5 or 6.
Voting on the ranks in reverse is certainly a choice…love the list but why not start at #1 and go up from there..would be easier to a lot the goalies
Would definitely make it a more accurate list, I think it’d be less entertaining though
Everyone who had Bob not in the top 3 doesn’t deserve a shout lmao
If you factor in the D in front of these guys Helly's stock goes way up. The one post season where he looked good was the one time Winnipeg actually had a compitent D-core with no AHLers.
He has a brick wall in morrissey though.
Jeremy Swayman top 5 is diabolical considering he has never had a complete starter role for the Bruins ever
Canada's goaltending situation is supremely suspect going into 2025/2026 international competition. Russia and USA are so stacked (not to mention USA has a Tkachuk-Hughes 5-man line) they're really going to struggle. Good for them, though. Speaking of Bucky's "workload" though, he only played 60 games last year. His Round 1 opponent Georgiev played 63. Saros played 64. Not saying it's not a lot, but the Central has 6 of the top 10 most played/started goalies in the NHL.
Luca is actually wild.
The canucks took the oilers to 7 and were top of the league for most of the year.
Yet they don't have a top 5 goalie, nor do they have a top 25 skater outside of Hughes.
How is he arguing swayman over demko when swayman has never had the load of a starter?
Even with demko's injury's over the last 3 years.
Swayman started 43 last year, Demko started 51.
Year before 33 for Swayman, 32 for Demko.
Year before that 39 for Swayman, Demko started 61.
So Demko became a starter 4 years ago.. He missed like 5 games due to a concussion his first year, he had his first big injury in the coach swap year.. So has had 2 seasons starting 50+ games in his first 4 seasons.
this whole list, which is wild by the way, could be summed up by Jesse's statement at 13:00. They are getting caught up with numbers, which tell a lot but not near everything. As a goalie and when I watch, the technique of some goalies like Vasi is incredible. He pulls stuff off that seems inhuman.
also all aboard the underrated Saros train...
Idk if Swayman should be in the top 5, mainly because he and ulmark split games for the past few years, Saros should be in the top 5.
I think it should go: 1. Shesterikin 2.Hellebyck 3. Bob 4. Demko 5. Saros 6. Vasy 7. Swayman 8. Sorokin 9. Otter 10. ulmark
Im just happy that they acknowledged joey daccord for once
Luca back again w the worst takes known to man, this time he had an accomplice too
Ikr 😂. She’s supposed to discourage him not encourage him. Just validates his outrageousness
In what universe is Swayman better than Ullmark? He hasn't even been a starter until this year.
A cool way to do these rankings is to have each of them submit a list and then give each player a score or average ranking to create the cumulative list.
You could score it like
1st - 10pts
2nd - 9pts
……
10th - 1pt
This is to a total of 40pts.
Just an idea to aid in the creation of the cumulative list
lol luca knows nothing about goaltending so painful to watch
22:45 Jesse had to recharge his battery.
The demko disrespect is crazy and I’m not even a nucks fanboy
Luca's takes just get worse and worse. This demko hate is ridiculous and shows that he clearly doesnt pay attention to the canucks lmao
Jake Oetter disrespect is wild…
Food for thought in the future in regards to Canadian goalies, watch out for Josh Ravensbergen on the Prince George Cougars. Kid out of North Vancouver took Ty Young's spot as a 16 year old and had an insane season in the dub. 2.46 GAA, .907 SV%, 6 Shutouts, 26-4-1 in 38 Games. Kid has size and makes some ridiculous saves, great instincts to boot. He might be the next great goalie coming out of BC.
Sorokin plays an average season after putting up unreal numbers for 3 years by getting overworked by the worst coach I’ve ever seen, then under Roy plays through the rest of the season likely dealing with back issues. Roy knew he needed serious serious rest so he got limited minutes. Now we know confirmed the guy had back surgery once the season was over. To take the guy from 2-3 to 10-12 because of that is absolute bs
This right here ^
Love this kind of list video where there is one list, as long as everyone is cordial and kind to one another lol
Preds always getting disrespected.
Same with Canucks. I thought your team was great. Frustrating af.
Lindgren would make my list, the caps defence has been so hot and cold and you can't expect to save 40+ shots a night and win every game the fact he had a .911 considering and now the caps might have gone and tightened up there D Chuckie could be a power house
Jesus Julia that might be the worst take I’ve ever heard every single playoff series the rangers have won since 2020 he has stolen multiple games and been responsible for every series win except that capitals series this year, they probably win that regardless. The rangers offense disappears in the playoffs every single year it’s literally legendary meme status and it is on shesterkin to win the game and the series. Peep the Carolina series this past season we go up 3-0 cause shesterkin stands on his head and steals games 2 and 3 where we were pinned in our own zone for most of those games. Even the Florida series remove shesterkin and that’s a sweep he got the rangers 2 games and gave them a chance. He has brought them to the conference finals 2x in the last 3 years and has a vezina already just gotta get the rest of the team to help him get them to a cup.
Vasy is on the list entirely off of legacy, change my mind
Jesse always has the best takes on these. Guy knows his puck
Absolutely LOVED the cahos in that vid😂😂
Great Video, as usual, guys
Dude the demko hate makes no sense. If we’re talking about going into this season I would take demko over vasi and saros
we have to remember the situation the Canucks were in in terms of their defensive core before last season. Demko carried that team on his back for a good while before they found success this past year. he's has many stretches of outstanding play, and a deserving vezina candidate after last season even despite injury
just because canucks had some rough years doesn't mean Demko's only had 1 good year! he's a GOOD goalie and shouldn't be considered bad because of the team in previous years... this coming from a canucks fan lol.... he does have to figure his rare injury out though!
This format is so good, all lists should be a debate
Vasy is so hard to rate because last season was obviously impacted by injury and subsequent recovery.
Igor at THREE?? Igor can’t steal a game or a series??? What in the meth fueled madness is she talking about?
Loved the video guys, and seeing this and then seeing EA have helly as the #1 goalie in 25 is wild to me
Julia needs to be taken off these. Igor at 3? Then to say she doesn’t think he can steal a game or series. Clearly did not watch the playoffs
If we're talking the past couple seasons, yeah Vasy is 5-10 range. If we're talking whole career, 1 hands down, no contest. Fastest goalie to 300 wins EVER.
1. Igor
2. Hellebuyck
3. Saros
4. Swayman
5. Bobrovsky
6. Vasilevskiy
7. Demko
8. Sorokin
9. Ullmark
10. Oetter or Binner
HM: Markstrom and maybe Freddie Andersen
1 and 2 should be easy, 3 and 4 could be swapped but Saros has played a lot more and been consistent almost every year, Bob gets 5 due to recent playoff play then 6 through 9 are interchangeable (maybe you could say 5-9 are interchangeable, I think respect the guy who just won the cup) and then 10th is Oetter or Binner and Markstrom and Andersen are probably the only two even close to Oetter and Binner.
Binnington deserves #10
@@elijahdoesmine9964 I think it depends on the criteria, Binnington last year was way better than Oettinger but the two years before the Oettinger was miles better than Binnington. I would lean Oettinger just because of consistency but if you want to put more stock into just last season then Binnington is fair to put at 10th.
1.Shesterk
2.Helleyb
3.Saros
4.Bobrovsk
5.Sorok
6.Vasilevsk
7.Swaymn
8.Demk
9.Otteingr
10.Binningt
Just missed: Lukkonen, Ullmrk, Kotchetk, Georgie, Skinnr, Montembeau, Markstr, Lindgrn
@@mannyoliveira776 Ullmark has been below a .915 one time and it was his first year not being a backup and he still had a .905, and he's won a vezina two years ago where he went 40-6-1 with a .938 and 1.89 GSAx, he's 9th at bare minimum. I also think Swayman moves up a bit but having him anywhere between 4th and 8th is fine imo. List is good but you gotta have Ullmark ninth at bare minimum and push Binner off the list, Binnington was great last year but two bad years before that whereas Ullmark has legitimately never had a bad season and his best season two years ago is way better than any season from some of those guys included.
@@sully_99
11.Georg
12.Markstr
13.Ullmrk
14.Skinnr
15.Lukkonen
Ullmrk had 1 superb yr yes but he was 2nd fiddle last yr in Bos, & if he was so good as you claim then Bos would have extended him 7 or 8 yrs & traded Swaymn. But Swaymn is likely the better goalie & younger. Don't get me wrong I like Ullmrk & if someone had him 8th, 9th or 10th their would not be too much contention. But I think if he excels in Ottawa as a starter again & plays like 55 games, & gets a 2.60-2.70 GAA & .915 or better SV% then I would revise my list & he would be in the Top 10. Also, 2 yrs ago, he had 48 wins, but only 2 shutouts. You would expect 4 or 5 SHO's. Last yr again, just 2 SHO's. The Top 10 is hard to pick just 10 because you end up leaving out 4 or 5 goalies who have a case to slip into the Top 10.
Absolutely saros slander. Last year was tough on him sure: but we were changing systems in RECORD time with a more offensive system which left him high and dry and he still often held his ground. His athleticism is incredible. And yes, his size is smaller which makes being on a mid team (yes weve been mid at best) and putting up his numbers and games INSANE. Have some respecc
UPL does not deserve to be on this list this year but it's nice to see a few people did shout him out. He puts together a full season that looks like what he did in the 2nd half of last season, and god forbid the Sabres MAKE THE PLAYOFFS, he will easily be on this list next year.
Surprised Levi didn't get a shout out either when talking about up and coming Canadian goaltenders. UPL-LEVI tandem could shock the league this season with a completely revamped bottom 6 and Lindy bringing the culture back to the bench. I, stupidly, have playoff expectations for Buffalo. PLEASE. MAKE IT STOP.
I see the Binnington hate is still a thing lol
Hes top 15 at best
I did not know Luca didnt know puck damn.
The fact that Skinner didn’t make the list is crazy to me. The guy was pretty good in the playoffs and season the last few years.
Stu Skinner is the moat Underrated Goalie in the league
Vasi better than shesty is the last thing I’ll mention. She said no goalie could steal a series anymore but two minutes prior she said it’s crazy to thing that vasi couldnt
Man the Ullmark stuff makes me sad, I still think letting him walk will be one of the biggest mistakes in recent bruins history
Luca having a rough time
I agree with him on the vasi point
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402It's not true.
@@nijaethompson7647 it's an opinion numbnuts
@@nijaethompson7647It is though
@@AscendedXSaiyan It is false, I agree.
Hellebuyk workload (60 games) argument is such a cop out. Saros played 4 more games (64) than him and Bobrovsky played 2 less (58)
Luca I am a Carolina fan and I have no idea why anyone would put Freddie at no. 8 after that playoff performance.
My list
1.Demko
2.Shestekin
3. Fluery
4.Swayman
5.Bobrpvsky
6.Hellebuyck
7. Oettinger
8. Sorokin
9. Vasilevskiy
10. Saros
Binnington snubbed. Top 3 GSAx last season & the only reason the Blues were close to an playoff spot
If Dallas had a Varlamov behind Oetter, he would've been benched last year too.
Bobrovsky should have gotten the conn smythe
Can you guys do top 10 greatest goalies of all time
Im a Leafs fan, and I love Josph Woll, but I still think he should be in the top 15 ❤
You guys should do this exact video again but put together the top 10 goalies of the 2010’s
Jacob Markstrom playing in front of a depleted flames D core and putting up similar/better numbers to Woll in double the games played, no mention?
I’m a goalie and when Luca said he hates goalie I got more mad than he did
Charlie will be insane in a couple years these out standing now I as a caps fan need more