"You have to pay to play" I watched this video and I still bought one! I've driven many cars and bang for buck its well worth it, especially if you know how to do your own maintenance. I would not change my mind at all for any other car within that price range. I picked mine up for $20,000. it needed tires and the passenger electric seat didn't work. best money I have ever spent! I have personally hit 170 on a open highway and it feels like your gliding. I have driven many quick cars including a C5, C6 Corvette, SRT 8 challenger, GT 500 mustang.....the list goes on. IT IS BY FAR THE BEST CAR I HAVE OWNED AND DRIVEN! If you like PORSCHE, drive one and decide for yourself! A simple K&N cold air intake makes a huge difference with these cars. the sound is excellent and you notice the power difference, you even hear when the variable valve timing hits. It's nice seeing the look on people's faces when a flat N/A 3.6L beats or keeps up with their V8's.
I have a '99 with 170,000 miles on it and it has been one of the most reliable, trouble free cars I've ever owned! It's old, the paint is faded in spots, it has a couple of small dents.... I sure don't own or drive it to impress anyone. I just love how Porsches look and the razor sharp precise feel that you can't get from any other car! The issues in this video are extremely rare. Hardly more than the risks you encounter with any older car.
Taking advice from a guy in pink shorts LOL My 2002 Porsche 996 just replaced the original clutch at 90k miles and upgraded the ims. Original ims still in perfect condition.
ZentRose, I think you've based your claims on a low percentage of problems and a lot of retrofit IMS bearing sales hype. The guys selling the retrofit parts have flooded the internet with horror stories to hook people in. Porsche made over 175,000 996's from 1998-2005 and the majority of them are still running strong. I bought a 99' C2 with 76,000 miles 5 years ago and have had no problems. I did get sucked into the IMS fear and decided to have it and the RMS changed last year. When my mechanic took out the old IMS bearing it was like new, but I changed it for the stronger ceramic bearing anyway. Putting $1500 bucks into a $74,000 dollar car I think was a small price. I drive my car hard and do track days with it and it has been a dream to own and drive. It has been the most enjoyable car I have owned and I've owned some nice cars: RX7, Lotus Esprit, CLK 430 AMG, Porsche 944, Alfa Romeo Spider, Nissan 350z. Many market experts expect a rise in the market for these cars because with the upgrades readily available the bad stigma is wearing off.
+kevstlou Yes, most bearings that come out are fine. I discussed the limited value of the retrofit in this video. These cars are very cheap. If you like them, then buy them. I don't care what you do.
I have had mustangs and a camaro, a S-2000 and two different trucks, they all squeak and rattle when they hit 50k-100k but my dads VW GTI has 150k and it doesn't have a single squeak or rattle, my grandfather had corvettes and he loved them BUT and it's a big full bodied BUT, they were complete garbage, my friend(mentor as well) has three Porsches two turbos and a Carrara 4s(996), one of them is a 996, the 996 is his daily, the car has 120k on it and it's built as good if not better then my dads GTI(mk10) no squeaks or rattles and no major mechanical problems with his 997, 996 or his 993, Porsches are actually very reliable if they are taken care of. After watching this, after I get my 996 turbo I'd like to roll by you in your Prius that is just a machine that has no emotional effect because that's what you like and just smile.
Good review. The most important part of the review is his admission that he is not really into cars and looks at them as numbers. Porsche makes their cars, especially the 911, for driving. Anyone buying one for any other reason besides they just plain enjoy the act of driving and appreciate that a Porsche delivers this better than anything else, is buying for the wrong reasons. So he is right to advise people such as himself to avoid a 911 and its a good review. The question is why a guy who could care less about cars bothers to make a car review video- and why anyone who cares about driving would care what this disinterested numbers cruncher has to say about the worlds best and most iconic driver's car. I sure wish I hadn't wasted my time on it!
First, the percent of cars affected by the IMS issue was less than 5%. Second, the failures occurred early, in both mileage and years. If they were gonna fail, they did it early. The ones that did are all repaired now or scrapped. The rest just aren't going to fail. Mine is an '01, with 50K. No leaks anywhere, Original brake pads, original exhaust. Had the air/oil separator and the radiator overflow replaced. Had the cam covers resealed once. That's it. In 15 years. I get it serviced by a Porsche dealer at every interval. If you want to know what real maintenance headaches are like, buy a Ferrari.
these older 911 are high cost to own and anybody that says different are just lying . if a person has deap pockets then by al means buy one if not get a used c5 corvette and work on it youself everything this guy said is true get over it
Phillip Pugh do you own one? I do, it has been a lot cheaper so far than my 2005 VW Golf. I have only done normal maintenance. It’s no more expensive to maintain than a Volvo
I've owned a Corvette, 3000GT VR4, and this model Porsche. This is the funnest car I've ever driven, hands down. It's a great drive, and people absolutely love the car. When it comes to purchasing a sports car, the fact is that emotion is always involved. If it weren't you wouldn't buy a sports car to begin with because they are (in one way or another) a terrible investment. I considered both another Corvette and a Mustang. The Mustang by far the more rational of the two. But, living in Michigan, there are new Corvettes and Mustangs every few feet so it gets boring fast. However, this car has reached it's bottom line years ago, and that is one reason I purchased it. I HATED the bearing issue, and had mine immediately changed out as a type of insurance policy (the engine costs more than I paid for the car). However, most of the problems you mention rarely occur (as does the bearing issue in fact). The new DFI systems in Audi, and in my GMC don't work properly and my engine seized and destroyed the drive train after two years of highway driving. There are pros and cons to owning the car, but you don't seem detached or unemotional. In fact you title this as "...I thought about Porsches recently.... stay away from them. " You've taken a repairable problem on one engine and imposed judgement on an entire brand. You also made it sound as if the IMS is new to this Porsche, which is a little misleading. You didn't mention one of the biggest and most ridiculous reason that this car has a poor resale value. The "fried egg" headlights that are mistaken for the Boxster. Carrera owners absolutely hate them, but someone like me, who isn't a purest, can look past this at a great deal. Perhaps the biggest issue you ignore is the fact that this is the first water cooled engine, which again, set off the purists. You should have brought up these glaring "issues" that the purests, who drive the Porsche brand, hate. Which in turn controls the market price a great deal more than a Honda Civic. I agree with some of what you say, but if you want to sound impartial you might want to put a little more on the positive side of the ledger and lay off a little of the overkill nonsense.
+John H: Many good points. I have a C4 and love it. Getting my IMS replaced this spring before it hits the road again.. On a side note. My fiend had an IMS failure in a boxter and has replaced the motor with a 3.4 Carrara motor. It is going to be a bad ass Boxter.
John H nailed that right on the head guy probably drives a accord or worse a smart car ive never understood how people can drive anything and not necessarily be (car guy) but at least try and enjoy driving experience
The IMS is not all that expensive to fix, and does not effect the Turbo or GT models of this car as you mentioned. If your primary concern is engine failure via the IMS, that fix will cost you about 2k through a dealer, and half of that if you do it on your own. You mention not being emotional, but your analysis winds up being, well... emotional. You're "afraid it'll happen to you". It's fine to be cautious, but you went through the whole list. The big ticket, catastrophic failures you mention in that list are somewhere on the order of 5k to prevent if you take it to a dealer. Other items you mention are thrown out there without mentioning the cost of repair, the probability of it occurring in the next 5k, 10k miles, and so on. You say you're not emotional, but you need to take each car on a case by case basis. If you find a 15k 996 in decent condition and you take the time to think about which repairs you require to feel comfortable with the risk of ownership and rationally assess the cost of those repairs against the base price on the vehicle, then what's the big deal?
and who the hell gonna pull there own 911 motors less then 2% get real folks I check and its a 2 grand job to fix and while your in there might as well do all the other shitty things that need fixed total bill about 6 grand
Less than 2%? Yeah good job making up numbers. The simple fact is, with 996's now getting so cheap, they are falling into the hands of more enthusiasts who are willing to do their own work, even major stuff like an engine R&R. Hell, that sounds like a fun weekend with some good friends. There's a few 996's local to me for sale for around $12k, so even if it was $6k through a shop, you are looking at under $20k total for a pretty damn good car.
Jason Garrett hahaha dude your delusional all most nobody is gonna try and pull a 911 motor themselves. Haha it sounds good just saying it but that a job for a trained Porsche mechanic . Oh yeah I can see a guy going out and buying the shop book and thinking oh yes I can pull this off not . Most used 911 I've seen are a least 17 to 20k a few with higher mileage for 15 17 but 12k haha hell no . I to wanted a 996 911 but after hearing all the horror stories decided to get a c5 corvette long storey short I can fix my vett right in my driveway love that
+Phillip Pugh your C5 also has no back seat, a non starter for me. I've got a 997, not a 996. I've got two small kids and a wife, we love going on drives together, and everyone fits comfortably. On my local Craigslist there are three 996's for under $14k. But my area (Seattle) has a lot of 911's. Enjoy your Corvette, and stop talking shit about a car you were too scared to buy and have nothing to do with.
Jason Garrett first off this is a open and free forum and I live in the United States. So no way in the hell I'm I gonna let a rank stranger tell me what I can comment on are when ..ok what you can do is not comment on my post see just that easy now have a good live
i owned a 1999 6 speed manual for 5 years i put 30,000 miles on it only had to change a/c unit and 3 sets of back tires guys who never owned a porsche should not be the ones to tell you not to buy one i drove the piss out of mine it was super strong and very reliable its a gocart with 300 hp buy one just learn the joy of why people love a porsche's so much bang for buck you wont buy a better car
Your story is anecdotal and doesn't conflict with @zentrose's point that the failures are not likely, but merely higher probability than usual and more expensive than usual. If zent is right, there should be LOTS of stories like yours.
If they're so bad why in 2016 there are so many for sale? If it was really that bad they'd all be in the scrap heap. 996's are NOT the only Porsches to have this issue. And many cars are way more expensive to maintain. Like every other German car company. And what can replace a 996? For you fools saying C5 corvette your crazy. That car is very dated, cheap plastic, not on Porsches level.
If you have no emotion you have no passion. The ones that make the world great and do great things have a lot of passion. ....you probably drive a volvo
+Pieter Van Rooyen Emotion and passion are not synonymous. Your meaningless correlation illustrates the problem with pretentious base model porsche owners.
+ZentRose Good morning from sunny South Africa. reading your comment this Saturday morning i felt extremely sad that you would stereotype me like this. Then i realised that I am a very lucky man .This morning i am on my way to my private game farm ( a ranch ) where im busy building my own car meusuim. you see im a car collector, i buy and build cars .porsche are a good investment and so are many other types of cars.i currently don't own one but im investigating the idea, that's how i stumbled across this video. if I'm pretentious because i drive a flash car then I'm fine with it .check out my millennium 7 rotary turbo on pinterest ,i love it when people wave and give me a thumbs up when i drive my cars .its sad you won't experience that
@@pietervanrooyen2970 you complain about being stereotyped by him when you did the same previously, "you must drive a Volvo", remember? Why would you go on and on about your private matters and lifestyle that holds no value on the internet where anyone can invent anything about themselves? Nobody cares And lastly, he is right, the car for its original price was grocely overpriced based on its quality of construction, which is bad. And many 911 fanboys will impulsively pull the trigger on the cheapest one just to have a 911, whithout ever considering if they are able to afford the car, which is not the same as simply buying it, leaving them with a piece of crap with a Porsche badge that will leave them with more time fixing the car, than driving it.
I bought one and really liked the car so I purchased a second 996. Both cars have been a pleasure and these cars will go up faster than a 737 max! Someone has to drive a chevy impala. No, I see you in Crown Vic w/ 300k miles that is beat and smells like piss. Wannabe 👮♂️!
Most of what was said also applies to 997.1 models. I just spent $12,000 dealing with these issues. If you can afford a 997.2 go for it. Otherwise be prepared to spend $$$ on repairs. Still love driving the thing more than any other car I've owned (and I've owned a few).
I have a 1999 996 Carrera Convertible. 0,0 problems, Runs like hell and never had one issue what so ever, I have had it for 7 years now,will NEVER spend another 20k to get a newer, heavier, bigger 911, 996 is the last small oneand it is a dream to drive, I have a CL63 AMG as well with 500+ hp but always grab my little blue shit contvertible instead, 996 is the BEST sportscar for the money
The 996 car's Achilles' heel was a small but vital engine component called the IMS, or Intermediate Shaft bearing. Highly recommend to replace it as soon as possible by an upgrade aftermarket kit, LN engineering kit use ball bearings, they utilize ceramic and steel for their bearings, which have an increased load rating for more heavy duty use, the full cost for a kit and all required tools is a little less than $950.
+Stingercam21 In Europe, most people stick the standard bearing in with the dust covers removed. Gets sprayed by the chains constantly and works perfectly. $50 fix next time you're changing the clutch.
LN kit is still not a magic bullet that you install and forget. It is recommended to change the LN with some frequency, too. Per LN's website: LN Engineering currently offers a Dual Row IMS Retrofit as well as the Single Row Pro IMS Retrofit, where the engine does not have to be disassembled to replace the factory sealed ball-bearing, both with a 6 year/75,000 mile service interval.
As a 996 owner I can say that history is everything. A documented car certainly helps relieve much of the angst of ownership. However, anything mechanical is flawed immediately by the imperfect people who put it together. You can either accept that and enjoy what you have or hide in a corner wishing what you didn't.
I would say you should never own any car cause you're a nickel and dime guy. A 10 year old honda civic for you. Buy it drive it and you can save all your money and swim in it like scrooge mc duck.
What a lot of crap. The IMS you can prevent for $ 1500.00 I have a 2001 996 ,bought it with 60000 Miles and now have 134000 Miles,it is a daily driver,you can use it like a KIA. That is something you can't with other sports cars like Ferrari. The repairs and maintenance is not so bad either That the guy in the video has no real experience I can tell when he said that you can get a used eingine. There are NO used 996 engine on the market, period!
I can pick up used 996 motors locally at a porsche scrap yard. Currently a good 3.6 will cost me $7500. They also list rebuilt 3.4 engines for $7,000. Prices will go up over time with inflation.
Fair review. Sometimes we need the brutal truth about owning these exotic motors. And you just gave it. Personally, I would love to own a Porsche 996 but I don't think I can deal with the high running costs. I think I'll stick with Audi for now. Peace!
I own a 2002 Porsche 911 C2. 118,000 miles later no problems what so ever. None. What you DON"T hear or read about on the internet are all the Porsche 996 owners who have no real problems with their cars. I will say all Porsche 911s are EXPENSIVE cars to maintain. I have driven MANY cars and I'm personally a big fan of BMW, but I'll tell you something, a Porsche 996 in a corner at high speed is pretty darn hard to beat.
+Warren DeApe Enjoy it! Thanks for being honest that these cars are expensive to maintain. I agree this car is very fun to drive. My friend bought his 996 and he only makes 70k a year. I am posting this video for people like him. It's a terrible idea if you do not have disposable income.
Missing the part about "Hey, let's make all of the plastic parts out of gray ABS, and then paint all of the parts to match, using a water-based paint that softens under most cleaning products."
E -so true! My grey centre console is showing black in some areas- got to get that sorted! Otherwise, my 996 is a blast! After a proper warmup, I drive her in a spirited fashion pushing that oil to the seals! Don’t baby your 996 and all is well!
I bought mine : because I wanted one since 2000 -> I own a piece of history - Yeah its a turbo, and I bought it for myself and not to show off. From the video I can tell that you probably could own a Civic or Corolla - and drive that, which is totally fine. Cars do have soul.
I service them and nothing's wrong with those cars as long as you put in a forced IMS lubrication system either by DOF or LN engineering . What's even more important is to warm the engine up before revving it!!!
Going by the number is smart, but there's no passion in it. No risk, no reward.Also, anyone who follows the IMS issue knows there's things you can do to help monitor and prevent the problem.Nothing is 100%, but again, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Don't live with regret.
i Have a 996 and its a good car but you have to do the regular maintenance. Every two year or every 30000km it needs to go to the garage so do that and dont try to save mony by skiping one because you will pay double for it later. So if you cant afford to maintain a Porsche dont buy one. Oh and bring it to the Porsche dealer or a Porsche specialist. So all this guy is saying is bullshit because every performance car needs regular maintenance ! Drive a Suzuki Swift if you dont want that, it keeps on going....
100% accurate review. I own a well maintained 02 996 with 53,000 miles and I paid 17,000 to get the engine fixed after the bearing failed. A new engine would have been 28,000. The AOS failed too but I was able to replace it myself. Saved me $1500. Generator failed too. Another $1200. Reliability wise this car is a POS but it drives great and it looks great. But this was my first and last Porsche.
Problem is and always has been that the car was meant to be driven. High mileage 996s seem to hold up well. The garaged drive once every six months ones are blowing all to hell because the lack of use dries the IMS bearings graase up.
To be frank with you I think the 996 is going to be the one, that will truly be a collectible because it's the only one that deviated from the standard design and started off the water cold motors.
If a car is purely a machine to move you from one place to another, why are we talking about a Porsche instead of a Corolla? (Not that anything is wrong with the Corolla) How can anyone not feel any emotion about their car?
Not a good price comparison. 1998 911, excellent cond, The last air/oil cooled car in the world, collectible car for $55,000 1999 911, 100K+ miles, fair cond for $15K. It is holding the value amazingly. $75k org, used it for 16 yrs and still can sell for $15k. Most other cars are worth nothing or in the junk yard.
+Dan: Also add to your point and remember that in another 15 years the car will still have not dropped in value from where it is today. If you get one now you are guaranteed to enjoy it immensely and sell it any time you want for the same price or more than what it is worth today. Really a good bargain. I have a 996 C4.
For the low $20K range, you can find many 996's that are in good shape and have already had the IMS retrofit and the Rear Main Seal replaced. (Surprised this second item was not mentioned in the video.) With these two mods, you really just need to look at the same thing you do with other cars that old: how are the clutch, brakes, paint, seals, etc. With the current 996 pricing, you can find a good deal on a great car if you do your homework.
I watched this vid and found a 996 with everything done to it for a little more than the car in this vid. It is awesome. I bought it to use on the track and street use. It hasn't disappointed.
Owned my 02 Carrera 4 996 cab since 2005 and paid 61k. It had 9k miles and supercharger. IMS went our at 32k. Currently have 100k on the reman engine. Runs perfect but I've spent a bundle maintaining it. 13k new engine, 2k to replace some,clutches ( supercharger tends to burn them) 2k tuneup and quite a few thousands more on upgrades. Refinanced and still owe,about 8k. When I think of selling I think how,could I even touch the performace and looks for the 15k or so I could get for it. My car originally cost over 90k when new as,optioned and it shows,in rhe quality of the interior and,driving. Porsches are always ahead of their time in enginnering and features. You just cant buy anything this quality and performance for 15k. I wish I hadn't sold the vortech when I replaced the,engine cause,I'd love to have it on now. (used to run mid 11s)May have to find a kit while they are,still available and if the IMS goes out again I'll get it rebuilt as a high performace 3.8 and put the supercharger on that. Its a Porsche, Its worth it and the fun never stops. The money I 've had to spend is,gone and my car,is,all the better for it so the only way I,could lose,is,to sell for,a,ridiculously low price. These are 70 to 100k cars that perform like no other. s2000 and other cars mentioned are not even in the same league. If you can find a nice example and can afford the maintenance buy one (you wont regret it and just replace the motor with an even hotter custom built 3.6 from a Porsche specialist. For 30k or 40k including the cost of a nice example you will have a badass daily driver or track car that will compete with much more expensive cars including newer porsches and look pretty damn good doing it if you get an 02 or later.
I think you should do more honest reviews. You should separate the honest and emotional side for your reviews, meaning honestly explaining the facts and then what you feel yourself. I was already subscribed via another YT channel, your channel is such a good one. Thank you
As these 996 get more popular you are hearing more and more about the problems! Man it’s an amazing car to drive! Just blew my mind! But at the end of the day I am buying s cayman 981. I don’t mind spending g a few grand year on services but to possible have to dump 10/15 into a 996 is not for me!
@@ZentRose holy crap!! Sorry to hear that! See man I just can’t afford that! I mean I guess I could but it’s not money well spent! I am getting the 2.7 cayman with sport exhaust. Super fun car to drive.. to your friend best of luck.
"For the original base price of around $70k, this car was a sort of a piece of shit" Loved this lol For around 15k you're way better off with an e46 m3, C5 vette, S2k, and the list goes on.
+TheXdmgx7 Thanks! Yeah I was excited to find it locally. It has the typical LS2 harmonic balancer wobble and needs a couple other small things replaced.
+WarefareModern3 Lol You wish. Straight line it will beat the s2k, maybe the m3. But when you get to a corner, the 996 will just spin out on entry lol can't destroy anything in reverse unfortunately lol
I just think the 996 is a bad choice for a Porsche investment. I mean the 997 is vastly better and the Cayman is too. The Caymans are much cheaper and realistically the best entry point for a modern Porsche owner.
+Clesarie, Let me know which one's a good investment. To me, unless you can buy a rare Porsche, cheap, none provide investment opportunity. As an investor, wouldn't you buy at the bottom of the depreciation curve, or at least find something with some upside left? The 356, SC, Carrera, 964 and 993 seem to be at the top. How could they be a good investment? Which one is hanging around the bottom of the depreciation curve? ---the 996, especially the 996TT. I have a 996.2 and it has not lost a dime in 5 years. With the outrageous price increase in the air-cooled units can only mean the 996.2 can only hold or raise in value. The 9964S, the GT#, the TT, Silver Anniversary The 997 is vastly better? Jeramy Clarkson makes fun of the fact he can't tell the difference. How is it VASTLY different, (i'll give you the IMS issue in the 06 and up has been removed), But, are you prepared to pay 15K more for the 997-- fix the IMS in the 996 $1,700. I'm nearing a purchase of a 2009 -4S is it a good investment, hell no. But a lot of car for the money. Fun, hell yes. Will I sell the '02 996? Nope. Forget the cayman you'll only look at 911's and wish you had one.. Buy a 996.2 Carrera and if you can afford the 996TT get one they are a blast and then invest in health and science funds......I can't wait to see where these air cooled prices are in several years...I hope the values hold....I've owned them wish I hadn't sold. I'm not a buyer.
+Clesarie I think all porches are good investments when they hit the bottom of the deprecation curve. All the bad ones are dead or dying by then,then the market eats up the ones that are available when they become affordable. Then you are left with the low miles survivors and the one with everything fixed with records and appreciation because there are not many of them left. I remember when the early 90s ones were in the 20s. Someone close to my family told me there are 2 ways to drive a car for "free" meaning only gas and insurance. Buy a desirable car with unique options drive the shit out of it and sell it withing the first 3 years. The bmw 1m and the porshe gt4 come to mind limited run cars. You can find a 1m at msrp with 30k on the clock. The next way is buying a car at the bottom of the curve. He has a yellow 94 that he is very much above the break even point.
Engine failure is one of those tales... Phase 1 997s also had problems... No, I just would not touch a 996 because it is simply, profoundly, irretrievably ugly. So non-911 looking that I hate it with a vengeance (I write these comments as I just bought my eleventh 911 -a Turbo S 991- which does NOT make me a hero, just a real Porsche addict.) By the way, the best condamnation of the 996 came from Porsche themselves... they put the usual "round eyes" look back on the 997, and ever since (well, a bit elongated on the 991, but nothing like the "melted cheese" look.
For all of us concerned about the Porsche IMS Bearing issue - I found a very informative article from Autohaus Hamilton in Australia about the IMS. The article also lists all the models and engines (with engine numbers) that are affected. To read the article just type in “Autohaus Hamilton IMS” into google. The Porsche models that are prone to IMS failure and should be replaced are: - All 986 Boxster models. - 987 Cayman & Boxster models up to engine number 61504715 - All 996 models (not including: GT and Turbo models) - 997 3.6ltr with M96/05 up to engine number 6950745
Just looking at it honestly, I've had 3 996's. A 2001 turbo, a '99 Carrera 4, and currently a 2002 turbo. I have owned one of these three over the last 6 years and only had one problem, the 2001 turbo alternator failed but I pulled it and had it repaired then replaced it for $28. You can change the oil, plugs and filters yourself. You can have it aligned at any top shelf tire place. You can upgrade the heck out of these cars, especially the turbo. This guy is just plain wrong. I could list potential problems for any car all day long but it doesn't mean it happens to many of them. Also, I paid $30,000 for my 2002 turbo, there aren't many options available at $30,000 that give you that kind of performance. This guy obviously didn't take that car around a a corner.
+MadeByYHVH SavedByIησοῦς: The early 996 actually has the best IMS bearing set of them all. Still should consider doing the upgrade. The cost of replacing the IMS is small for what you are getting. I remember replacing my catalytic converter on my Jeep and that cate allown was $2,000. Some repairs are just expensive and must be done. Your points are correct regarding the 1998 - 2008. All had an IMS.
The 996 actually saved porsche from a financial meltdown in the late 90's. It seems there was next to no profit margin to be had in previous incarnations largely due to the over engineering that went into them during manufacturing. The 996 was a mass produced car where cost cutting was a prime concern. All the points this guy listed are indeed very real concerns with the m96 and to a lesser degree the m97 engine. He left out undersized big end bearings and conrods though. Do all cars fail eventually, no. But if you are honest are you really comfortable driving around in a 911 with an engine that is hugely questionable from an engineering standpoint. I'm a huge 911 fan dont get me wrong, i just have little faith in the m96/97 engines. Porsche never did own up to the short comings of these engines however the 997.2 moved to a totally new direct injection engine that has done away with all previous listed faults.
I have a 2000 C2, I absolutely love it. The 911 was a dream car of mine and this was the perfect place to start for me. The engine failures affected less than 5% of all 996's. That's a number I can live with and if my engine goes, I'll put an LS-1 in it for the same $10,000 as the Porsche 3.4L and basically have a perfect car.
Bro there's lots of true to your research on engine problems with the 996. All good. I can hardly wait to buy 1 !!! And when the repairs are done, it'll be time to enjoy the car on the interstate. I won't be convincing any of my friends to buy any vehicle, just so I can enjoy it from time to time. That's collect freshman talk lol
IMS fails on less than 7% of these cars, however the Internet has blown it out of proportion. Look up the 08 STI and how many blown motors they had. Your "reliable" subaru has a better chance of the motor blowing
I think 996s are a great buy for the money. I see them going for over $20k now so seems price is staying steady. I know full well that these are the hated 911s. Having said that, I'm sure there are some issues, but they mostly seem to stem from the IMS bearing - change that and you seem to be ok for about $1k. I actually like the fact that these are hated, makes them cheaper now and like many folks have said on the thread, these only have one place to go - up. I would buy if I had a chance. Oil change seems pretty easy to do.
I love these cars !! They are such garbage that I've made a good living repairing them for the last 15 yrs . And I love to beat the hell outa them and their snotty owners with my basically stock 05 GTO !
I'm pretty sure he have one ,he don't know what he taking about the person who have Porsche or have mechanical skills or have enough money for maintenance of one of those cars sir let the people be happy and don't bother or scared the people than wanna have one Porsche I got my one for long time and I enjoy my one every time there no substitute.
On my 3rd 996, I love them!...yes they cost a bit more to own,but such a great car in a world of cars where so many are similar I got the tt this time but I wouldn't be afraid of a normally aspirated car just do the ims and drive
so my meighbor inherited a 996 which i was considering for my wife as a daily driver. after exp with my neighbors 996 which is in the shop now and this video ill look at alternates cars or the turbo as a DD
My main issue was always the front end and interior styling. After '02, all 996's shared the Turbo's headlamps and improved the build quality. I've luckily known no one with a 996 that has had IMS issues. I own a Cayman (bought new in '08). It has the M97 engine, which like the '06-08 997 models, has an improved IMS (unfortunately not replaceable if it goes, though the chances are far more remote) and is considered more reliable than the M96 motors of the 996 as well as the 1st gen (986) Boxster. I have 62k miles on my car, and no issues. I'm considering a 996 or 997 cabrio (C4S or Turbo) for my first 911, but I'm spoiled by the simple and vice-free ride/handling combination of the Cayman even though it lacks the power of the 911 (all relative, the Cayman still has more grip and power than I normally ever use). Used Type 987 Caymans and Boxsters are a relative bargain, similar in price to earlier 996 Carreras but newer, with better quality, and probably more reliable.
+Glenn Havinoviski I agree. Good addition here. I like the 996 look with the aero kit. I have only seen a few m96 engines blow in person. I caught one on film the other weekend. I will post it soon!
What Engine would you replace the stock motor with in the 996, if a problem occurred with the engine that came with the car, ie. for $6k-10k? Lots of good points on this "Budget Porsche that I have not heard elsewhere, besides the IMS bearing! Thanks!
We did a rebuild with a sleeved block on this one after it blew and added an x51 baffle. Expenses were not recovered. If money is tight I would stay away from this car. If money is no object, it is enjoyable.
Practical experienced advice that will lead to the best owner satisfaction and avoid financial ruin. Taking the emotions out of car buying is the best way to avoid a bad car owning experience. Emotional decisions only help car sellers.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and comments about the 996. For most people usefull advice.Also for me: "where smoke is must be a fire" But clearly not for the Porsche-addicts or "investors" below. I own a black 996 mk1 C2, 1999, double IMSbearing, nearly 130k(km) on it.Bought it 3 weeks ago. Totally love it: the looks,smell,sound, drive, shifting. Most other cars of this age (nearly 17 years!) are already gone and some for a long time. Not my Porsche, its still standing strong and is a dream to ride and looks staggering. But due to all of these internet hoaxes I'm a bit concerned. Should I do the conversions or: "don't fix it if it's ain't broken?" After all it runs just fine the past 16 years. I think I just do routine maintenance and see what happens.And: Don't buy a Porsche or other high performance car if you want to have a cheap ride. It will always cost you.
+Philip Poot The ones that are regularly driven seem to do just fine. I would just drive, enjoy it and inspect the oil filter for particles when you change the oil. From my own experience, you can sometimes spot metal flakes in the filter before anything bad happens. Enjoy your car!
First I like you have the balls to enable comments, the IMS issue has been the execration of the 996 but that doesn't apply for all of them is a 1% probability with this issue, buying one for $15000 immediately will raise flags no one who has been diligent with maintenance will let it go for so low, also remember if you have a 99 is a 16 year old vehicle and been German will require money for maintenance but this cars well maintained can last you for a long time and for the money you pay no one will match this performance.
+Al Bundy There are no meaningful statistics available on engine failures for these cars. When I purchase a german car (Like my E90 M3). I set aside money for engine failures in a separate trading account called an "engine failure fund". It happens a lot and the porsche communities brush it off. When I blew up my last BMW I just sold it as is. It wasn't worth the headache. The thing about the base porsche owner is that most of them do not have money. One guy in a base porsche tried to buy my Viper and he got offended when I told him he couldn't afford it. These comments just highlight the porsche owner's insecurities. If you have cash, buy a 996 turbo. It's 50k and an incredible bargain.
+ZentRose, thank you for your reply, about the statistics, this are based on the CEF, Porsche recolected during the warranty period from vehicles 99 to 04, Boxsters and 911's, also some 997's 05-08 have the same issue with the IMS causing CEF, if I was on my 20's, a college student or leaving pay check to pay check, I won't buy a 996 as my daily driver. Yes maintenance is expensive in this vehicles specially as they get older, mine I bought it as a weekend car, I spent, in the course of a little over a year around $6000, I didn't change the IMS and the RMS and water pump or clutch. Remember the base Porsche is the Boxster not the 911, no one with no money would there to touch a used Porsche but like always they are exemptions. About discriminating because some one came in a "Base Porsche", man, you have a lot to learn in life, even if I have someone in a Corolla stepping at my business is going to be treat as the one with the Bentley.
Adrian A The M3 is worth the trouble. I put the E90 through it's paces while I owned it and didn't feel nervous about it. I also set up an account to fund it in case of engine failure. The car held up great and I had an absolute blast owning it and working on it.
just get the IMS bearing replaced - do a new clutch and plate at the same time all in under $3K - just plan on it from the purchase - and you have a bullet proof daily driver with a new 60k mile clutch - or buy a Camrey.
+Phillip Pugh You do know that C5 Corvettes are plagued by their own expensive gremlins, including major electrical problems, interior water leaks, constant ABS failures, bad valve springs and lifters, transmission issues galore. All high end sports cars have problems because they're test beds for technology and advancement. GM is having major issues out of the new Vettes as well. The most reliable sports car of the last 25 years or so is probably the Acura NSX and even they have some issues.
The LN IMS kit, for example, is still not a magic bullet that you install and forget. It is recommended to change the LN with some frequency, too. Per LN's website: LN Engineering currently offers a Dual Row IMS Retrofit as well as the Single Row Pro IMS Retrofit, where the engine does not have to be disassembled to replace the factory sealed ball-bearing, both with a 6 year/75,000 mile service interval.
"You have to pay to play" I watched this video and I still bought one! I've driven many cars and bang for buck its well worth it, especially if you know how to do your own maintenance. I would not change my mind at all for any other car within that price range. I picked mine up for $20,000. it needed tires and the passenger electric seat didn't work. best money I have ever spent! I have personally hit 170 on a open highway and it feels like your gliding. I have driven many quick cars including a C5, C6 Corvette, SRT 8 challenger, GT 500 mustang.....the list goes on. IT IS BY FAR THE BEST CAR I HAVE OWNED AND DRIVEN! If you like PORSCHE, drive one and decide for yourself! A simple K&N cold air intake makes a huge difference with these cars. the sound is excellent and you notice the power difference, you even hear when the variable valve timing hits. It's nice seeing the look on people's faces when a flat N/A 3.6L beats or keeps up with their V8's.
or buy the car because you love 911s and don't care what other people think
pet the dog
He ran the numbers & it just wasn't worth his while..
I have a '99 with 170,000 miles on it and it has been one of the most reliable, trouble free cars I've ever owned! It's old, the paint is faded in spots, it has a couple of small dents.... I sure don't own or drive it to impress anyone. I just love how Porsches look and the razor sharp precise feel that you can't get from any other car! The issues in this video are extremely rare. Hardly more than the risks you encounter with any older car.
yea but the cost is a whole lot higher replacement 911 motor is 12k ouch ...F that
Taking advice from a guy in pink shorts LOL My 2002 Porsche 996 just replaced the original clutch at 90k miles and upgraded the ims. Original ims still in perfect condition.
+niacal4nia So was mine! I kind of felt stupid driving out of there with a check missing in my checkbook and a perfect IMS in the glovebox.
So much negativity !! not reality.
Knowing guys like this aren't buying Porsche's leaves me with a warm feeling.
ZentRose, I think you've based your claims on a low percentage of problems and a lot of retrofit IMS bearing sales hype. The guys selling the retrofit parts have flooded the internet with horror stories to hook people in. Porsche made over 175,000 996's from 1998-2005 and the majority of them are still running strong. I bought a 99' C2 with 76,000 miles 5 years ago and have had no problems. I did get sucked into the IMS fear and decided to have it and the RMS changed last year. When my mechanic took out the old IMS bearing it was like new, but I changed it for the stronger ceramic bearing anyway. Putting $1500 bucks into a $74,000 dollar car I think was a small price. I drive my car hard and do track days with it and it has been a dream to own and drive. It has been the most enjoyable car I have owned and I've owned some nice cars: RX7, Lotus Esprit, CLK 430 AMG, Porsche 944, Alfa Romeo Spider, Nissan 350z. Many market experts expect a rise in the market for these cars because with the upgrades readily available the bad stigma is wearing off.
+kevstlou Yes, most bearings that come out are fine. I discussed the limited value of the retrofit in this video.
These cars are very cheap. If you like them, then buy them. I don't care what you do.
I have had mustangs and a camaro, a S-2000 and two different trucks, they all squeak and rattle when they hit 50k-100k but my dads VW GTI has 150k and it doesn't have a single squeak or rattle, my grandfather had corvettes and he loved them BUT and it's a big full bodied BUT, they were complete garbage, my friend(mentor as well) has three Porsches two turbos and a Carrara 4s(996), one of them is a 996, the 996 is his daily, the car has 120k on it and it's built as good if not better then my dads GTI(mk10) no squeaks or rattles and no major mechanical problems with his 997, 996 or his 993, Porsches are actually very reliable if they are taken care of. After watching this, after I get my 996 turbo I'd like to roll by you in your Prius that is just a machine that has no emotional effect because that's what you like and just smile.
Good review. The most important part of the review is his admission that he is not really into cars and looks at them as numbers. Porsche makes their cars, especially the 911, for driving. Anyone buying one for any other reason besides they just plain enjoy the act of driving and appreciate that a Porsche delivers this better than anything else, is buying for the wrong reasons. So he is right to advise people such as himself to avoid a 911 and its a good review. The question is why a guy who could care less about cars bothers to make a car review video- and why anyone who cares about driving would care what this disinterested numbers cruncher has to say about the worlds best and most iconic driver's car. I sure wish I hadn't wasted my time on it!
First, the percent of cars affected by the IMS issue was less than 5%. Second, the failures occurred early, in both mileage and years. If they were gonna fail, they did it early. The ones that did are all repaired now or scrapped. The rest just aren't going to fail. Mine is an '01, with 50K. No leaks anywhere, Original brake pads, original exhaust. Had the air/oil separator and the radiator overflow replaced. Had the cam covers resealed once. That's it. In 15 years. I get it serviced by a Porsche dealer at every interval. If you want to know what real maintenance headaches are like, buy a Ferrari.
these older 911 are high cost to own and anybody that says different are just lying . if a person has deap pockets then by al means buy one if not get a used c5 corvette and work on it youself everything this guy said is true get over it
I've owned a '02 for 6 years. They only needed repair has been an OAS and a light bulb.
Phillip Pugh do you own one? I do, it has been a lot cheaper so far than my 2005 VW Golf. I have only done normal maintenance. It’s no more expensive to maintain than a Volvo
I've owned a Corvette, 3000GT VR4, and this model Porsche. This is the funnest car I've ever driven, hands down. It's a great drive, and people absolutely love the car. When it comes to purchasing a sports car, the fact is that emotion is always involved. If it weren't you wouldn't buy a sports car to begin with because they are (in one way or another) a terrible investment. I considered both another Corvette and a Mustang. The Mustang by far the more rational of the two. But, living in Michigan, there are new Corvettes and Mustangs every few feet so it gets boring fast. However, this car has reached it's bottom line years ago, and that is one reason I purchased it. I HATED the bearing issue, and had mine immediately changed out as a type of insurance policy (the engine costs more than I paid for the car). However, most of the problems you mention rarely occur (as does the bearing issue in fact). The new DFI systems in Audi, and in my GMC don't work properly and my engine seized and destroyed the drive train after two years of highway driving. There are pros and cons to owning the car, but you don't seem detached or unemotional. In fact you title this as "...I thought about Porsches recently.... stay away from them. " You've taken a repairable problem on one engine and imposed judgement on an entire brand. You also made it sound as if the IMS is new to this Porsche, which is a little misleading. You didn't mention one of the biggest and most ridiculous reason that this car has a poor resale value. The "fried egg" headlights that are mistaken for the Boxster. Carrera owners absolutely hate them, but someone like me, who isn't a purest, can look past this at a great deal. Perhaps the biggest issue you ignore is the fact that this is the first water cooled engine, which again, set off the purists. You should have brought up these glaring "issues" that the purests, who drive the Porsche brand, hate. Which in turn controls the market price a great deal more than a Honda Civic. I agree with some of what you say, but if you want to sound impartial you might want to put a little more on the positive side of the ledger and lay off a little of the overkill nonsense.
+John H: Many good points. I have a C4 and love it. Getting my IMS replaced this spring before it hits the road again.. On a side note. My fiend had an IMS failure in a boxter and has replaced the motor with a 3.4 Carrara motor. It is going to be a bad ass Boxter.
John H nailed that right on the head guy probably drives a accord or worse a smart car ive never understood how people can drive anything and not necessarily be (car guy) but at least try and enjoy driving experience
The IMS is not all that expensive to fix, and does not effect the Turbo or GT models of this car as you mentioned. If your primary concern is engine failure via the IMS, that fix will cost you about 2k through a dealer, and half of that if you do it on your own.
You mention not being emotional, but your analysis winds up being, well... emotional. You're "afraid it'll happen to you". It's fine to be cautious, but you went through the whole list. The big ticket, catastrophic failures you mention in that list are somewhere on the order of 5k to prevent if you take it to a dealer.
Other items you mention are thrown out there without mentioning the cost of repair, the probability of it occurring in the next 5k, 10k miles, and so on. You say you're not emotional, but you need to take each car on a case by case basis. If you find a 15k 996 in decent condition and you take the time to think about which repairs you require to feel comfortable with the risk of ownership and rationally assess the cost of those repairs against the base price on the vehicle, then what's the big deal?
and who the hell gonna pull there own 911 motors less then 2% get real folks I check and its a 2 grand job to fix and while your in there might as well do all the other shitty things that need fixed total bill about 6 grand
Less than 2%? Yeah good job making up numbers. The simple fact is, with 996's now getting so cheap, they are falling into the hands of more enthusiasts who are willing to do their own work, even major stuff like an engine R&R. Hell, that sounds like a fun weekend with some good friends. There's a few 996's local to me for sale for around $12k, so even if it was $6k through a shop, you are looking at under $20k total for a pretty damn good car.
Jason Garrett hahaha dude your delusional all most nobody is gonna try and pull a 911 motor themselves. Haha it sounds good just saying it but that a job for a trained Porsche mechanic . Oh yeah I can see a guy going out and buying the shop book and thinking oh yes I can pull this off not . Most used 911 I've seen are a least 17 to 20k a few with higher mileage for 15 17 but 12k haha hell no . I to wanted a 996 911 but after hearing all the horror stories decided to get a c5 corvette long storey short I can fix my vett right in my driveway love that
+Phillip Pugh your C5 also has no back seat, a non starter for me. I've got a 997, not a 996. I've got two small kids and a wife, we love going on drives together, and everyone fits comfortably. On my local Craigslist there are three 996's for under $14k. But my area (Seattle) has a lot of 911's. Enjoy your Corvette, and stop talking shit about a car you were too scared to buy and have nothing to do with.
Jason Garrett first off this is a open and free forum and I live in the United States. So no way in the hell I'm I gonna let a rank stranger tell me what I can comment on are when ..ok what you can do is not comment on my post see just that easy now have a good live
i owned a 1999 6 speed manual for 5 years i put 30,000 miles on it only had to change a/c unit and 3 sets of back tires guys who never owned a porsche should not be the ones to tell you not to buy one i drove the piss out of mine it was super strong and very reliable its a gocart with 300 hp buy one just learn the joy of why people love a porsche's so much bang for buck you wont buy a better car
I totally agree. I also own one. There are plenty of people who don’t own one who have a lot of opinions
Your story is anecdotal and doesn't conflict with @zentrose's point that the failures are not likely, but merely higher probability than usual and more expensive than usual. If zent is right, there should be LOTS of stories like yours.
I agree with most of what you saying but I still bought one and love it.
If they're so bad why in 2016 there are so many for sale? If it was really that bad they'd all be in the scrap heap. 996's are NOT the only Porsches to have this issue. And many cars are way more expensive to maintain. Like every other German car company. And what can replace a 996? For you fools saying C5 corvette your crazy. That car is very dated, cheap plastic, not on Porsches level.
If you have no emotion you have no passion. The ones that make the world great and do great things have a lot of passion. ....you probably drive a volvo
+Pieter Van Rooyen Emotion and passion are not synonymous. Your meaningless correlation illustrates the problem with pretentious base model porsche owners.
+ZentRose Good morning from sunny South Africa. reading your comment this Saturday morning i felt extremely sad that you would stereotype me like this. Then i realised that I am a very lucky man .This morning i am on my way to my private game farm ( a ranch ) where im busy building my own car meusuim. you see im a car collector, i buy and build cars .porsche are a good investment and so are many other types of cars.i currently don't own one but im investigating the idea, that's how i stumbled across this video. if I'm pretentious because i drive a flash car then I'm fine with it .check out my millennium 7 rotary turbo on pinterest ,i love it when people wave and give me a thumbs up when i drive my cars .its sad you won't experience that
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@@pietervanrooyen2970 you complain about being stereotyped by him when you did the same previously, "you must drive a Volvo", remember?
Why would you go on and on about your private matters and lifestyle that holds no value on the internet where anyone can invent anything about themselves? Nobody cares
And lastly, he is right, the car for its original price was grocely overpriced based on its quality of construction, which is bad. And many 911 fanboys will impulsively pull the trigger on the cheapest one just to have a 911, whithout ever considering if they are able to afford the car, which is not the same as simply buying it, leaving them with a piece of crap with a Porsche badge that will leave them with more time fixing the car, than driving it.
I bought one and really liked the car so I purchased a second 996. Both cars have been a pleasure and these cars will go up faster than a 737 max! Someone has to drive a chevy impala. No, I see you in Crown Vic w/ 300k miles that is beat and smells like piss. Wannabe 👮♂️!
Most of what was said also applies to 997.1 models. I just spent $12,000 dealing with these issues. If you can afford a 997.2 go for it. Otherwise be prepared to spend $$$ on repairs. Still love driving the thing more than any other car I've owned (and I've owned a few).
Who ignores a dog saying hello?
I have a 1999 996 Carrera Convertible. 0,0 problems, Runs like hell and never had one issue what so ever, I have had it for 7 years now,will NEVER spend another 20k to get a newer, heavier, bigger 911, 996 is the last small oneand it is a dream to drive, I have a CL63 AMG as well with 500+ hp but always grab my little blue shit contvertible instead, 996 is the BEST sportscar for the money
The 996 car's Achilles' heel was a small but vital engine component called the IMS, or Intermediate Shaft bearing. Highly recommend to replace it as soon as possible by an upgrade aftermarket kit, LN engineering kit use ball bearings, they utilize ceramic and steel for their bearings, which have an increased load rating for more heavy duty use, the full cost for a kit and all required tools is a little less than $950.
+Stingercam21 In Europe, most people stick the standard bearing in with the dust covers removed. Gets sprayed by the chains constantly and works perfectly. $50 fix next time you're changing the clutch.
+Les Field That's great, even better to save as much money as possible in this car, if that works fine.
LN kit is still not a magic bullet that you install and forget. It is recommended to change the LN with some frequency, too. Per LN's website: LN Engineering currently offers a Dual Row IMS Retrofit as well as the Single Row Pro IMS Retrofit, where the engine does not have to be disassembled to replace the factory sealed ball-bearing, both with a 6 year/75,000 mile service interval.
As a 996 owner I can say that history is everything. A documented car certainly helps relieve much of the angst of ownership. However, anything mechanical is flawed immediately by the imperfect people who put it together. You can either accept that and enjoy what you have or hide in a corner wishing what you didn't.
+K Nola I like this. If this is your dream car, don't let me stop you from getting it.
nope this car has known flaws that where built into the engine from the beginning everything this giy said is a fact get over it people
I would say you should never own any car cause you're a nickel and dime guy. A 10 year old honda civic for you. Buy it drive it and you can save all your money and swim in it like scrooge mc duck.
well since you crunch all the numbers on whether or not to buy a car or not...do you always wind up at a toyota camry?
What a lot of crap.
The IMS you can prevent for $ 1500.00
I have a 2001 996 ,bought it with 60000 Miles and now have 134000 Miles,it is a daily driver,you can use it like a KIA.
That is something you can't with other sports cars like Ferrari.
The repairs and maintenance is not so bad either
That the guy in the video has no real experience I can tell when he said that you can get a used eingine.
There are NO used 996 engine on the market, period!
I can pick up used 996 motors locally at a porsche scrap yard. Currently a good 3.6 will cost me $7500. They also list rebuilt 3.4 engines for $7,000. Prices will go up over time with inflation.
Fair review. Sometimes we need the brutal truth about owning these exotic motors. And you just gave it.
Personally, I would love to own a Porsche 996 but I don't think I can deal with the high running costs.
I think I'll stick with Audi for now. Peace!
You think of cars as machines only. That's OK. Buy a Toyota.
I’m eyeing a 2002 996 that looks brand new inside and out. Only 49k, probably have to change the ims cuz of lack of use.
I own a 2002 Porsche 911 C2. 118,000 miles later no problems what so ever. None. What you DON"T hear or read about on the internet are all the Porsche 996 owners who have no real problems with their cars. I will say all Porsche 911s are EXPENSIVE cars to maintain. I have driven MANY cars and I'm personally a big fan of BMW, but I'll tell you something, a Porsche 996 in a corner at high speed is pretty darn hard to beat.
+Warren DeApe Enjoy it! Thanks for being honest that these cars are expensive to maintain. I agree this car is very fun to drive.
My friend bought his 996 and he only makes 70k a year. I am posting this video for people like him. It's a terrible idea if you do not have disposable income.
Missing the part about "Hey, let's make all of the plastic parts out of gray ABS, and then paint all of the parts to match, using a water-based paint that softens under most cleaning products."
E -so true! My grey centre console is showing black in some areas- got to get that sorted! Otherwise, my 996 is a blast! After a proper warmup, I drive her in a spirited fashion pushing that oil to the seals! Don’t baby your 996 and all is well!
I bought mine : because I wanted one since 2000 -> I own a piece of history - Yeah its a turbo, and I bought it for myself and not to show off. From the video I can tell that you probably could own a Civic or Corolla - and drive that, which is totally fine.
Cars do have soul.
I service them and nothing's wrong with those cars as long as you put in a forced IMS lubrication system either by DOF or LN engineering .
What's even more important is to warm the engine up before revving it!!!
Just buy a c5 z06 corvette...
i love my mine ,
+vwdarrin Excellent, enjoy your car!
vwdarrin me too!! I love my '03 C4S
Yeah love mine too 99 c2
I love the 996 try owning a bmw m3 e46 !!!! Every car has faults 😑
I am sure your friend really appreciates your thoughts on his 996.
luckily the turbo price has been brought down by the base model 996 scare and is perhaps one of the best value cars around
+Thyshallsmite Yep the 911 turbo is a bargain buy right now.
Hell yeah. Looking for one hopefully a year I can get in one.
Never saw one for 15,000 buddy and you clearly barely did your research on the car..
They're out there....high miles.
Going by the number is smart, but there's no passion in it. No risk, no reward.Also, anyone who follows the IMS issue knows there's things you can do to help monitor and prevent the problem.Nothing is 100%, but again, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. Don't live with regret.
i Have a 996 and its a good car but you have to do the regular maintenance. Every two year or every 30000km it needs to go to the garage so do that and dont try to save mony by skiping one because you will pay double for it later. So if you cant afford to maintain a Porsche dont buy one. Oh and bring it to the Porsche dealer or a Porsche specialist. So all this guy is saying is bullshit because every performance car needs regular maintenance ! Drive a Suzuki Swift if you dont want that, it keeps on going....
I have an 02 996 C4s which I love. If you run the numbers NO sports / Muscle car is a good buy. if you want a good buy buy a Toyota.
100% accurate review. I own a well maintained 02 996 with 53,000 miles and I paid 17,000 to get the engine fixed after the bearing failed. A new engine would have been 28,000. The AOS failed too but I was able to replace it myself. Saved me $1500. Generator failed too. Another $1200. Reliability wise this car is a POS but it drives great and it looks great. But this was my first and last Porsche.
Problem is and always has been that the car was meant to be driven. High mileage 996s seem to hold up well. The garaged drive once every six months ones are blowing all to hell because the lack of use dries the IMS bearings graase up.
Now you tell me!!! I just bought one!!
To be frank with you I think the 996 is going to be the one, that will truly be a collectible because it's the only one that deviated from the standard design and started off the water cold motors.
If a car is purely a machine to move you from one place to another, why are we talking about a Porsche instead of a Corolla? (Not that anything is wrong with the Corolla) How can anyone not feel any emotion about their car?
From what I've heard, it only gets worse if you change the IMS bearing.
Not a good price comparison.
1998 911, excellent cond, The last air/oil cooled car in the world, collectible car for $55,000
1999 911, 100K+ miles, fair cond for $15K. It is holding the value amazingly. $75k org, used it for 16 yrs and still can sell for $15k. Most other cars are worth nothing or in the junk yard.
+Dan: Also add to your point and remember that in another 15 years the car will still have not dropped in value from where it is today. If you get one now you are guaranteed to enjoy it immensely and sell it any time you want for the same price or more than what it is worth today. Really a good bargain. I have a 996 C4.
I want a Porsche maybe a 911 or 912 vintage. Maybe a 90s boxer like my grandpa
I have a stock 02 c5 zo6 (paid off)and it still rapes most stuff on the rd
For the low $20K range, you can find many 996's that are in good shape and have already had the IMS retrofit and the Rear Main Seal replaced. (Surprised this second item was not mentioned in the video.) With these two mods, you really just need to look at the same thing you do with other cars that old: how are the clutch, brakes, paint, seals, etc.
With the current 996 pricing, you can find a good deal on a great car if you do your homework.
+Eric Burkhardt Yes good addition here. Thanks.
I watched this vid and found a 996 with everything done to it for a little more than the car in this vid. It is awesome. I bought it to use on the track and street use. It hasn't disappointed.
+David Verrecchia Awesome! Enjoy your car.
The planes and boats metaphor was such a blunt, asshole statement. Yet so true 😂
What better performance can I get for $25k?
Owned my 02 Carrera 4 996 cab since 2005 and paid 61k. It had 9k miles and supercharger. IMS went our at 32k. Currently have 100k on the reman engine. Runs perfect but I've spent a bundle maintaining it. 13k new engine, 2k to replace some,clutches ( supercharger tends to burn them) 2k tuneup and quite a few thousands more on upgrades. Refinanced and still owe,about 8k. When I think of selling I think how,could I even touch the performace and looks for the 15k or so I could get for it. My car originally cost over 90k when new as,optioned and it shows,in rhe quality of the interior and,driving. Porsches are always ahead of their time in enginnering and features. You just cant buy anything this quality and performance for 15k. I wish I hadn't sold the vortech when I replaced the,engine cause,I'd love to have it on now. (used to run mid 11s)May have to find a kit while they are,still available and if the IMS goes out again I'll get it rebuilt as a high performace 3.8 and put the supercharger on that. Its a Porsche, Its worth it and the fun never stops. The money I 've had to spend is,gone and my car,is,all the better for it so the only way I,could lose,is,to sell for,a,ridiculously low price. These are 70 to 100k cars that perform like no other. s2000 and other cars mentioned are not even in the same league. If you can find a nice example and can afford the maintenance buy one (you wont regret it and just replace the motor with an even hotter custom built 3.6 from a Porsche specialist. For 30k or 40k including the cost of a nice example you will have a badass daily driver or track car that will compete with much more expensive cars including newer porsches and look pretty damn good doing it if you get an 02 or later.
I think you should do more honest reviews. You should separate the honest and emotional side for your reviews, meaning honestly explaining the facts and then what you feel yourself. I was already subscribed via another YT channel, your channel is such a good one. Thank you
Japanese Sportscar Essence Ok that is a good idea. I appreciate the input. Thanks!
As these 996 get more popular you are hearing more and more about the problems! Man it’s an amazing car to drive! Just blew my mind! But at the end of the day I am buying s cayman 981. I don’t mind spending g a few grand year on services but to possible have to dump 10/15 into a 996 is not for me!
Good choice. The engine in this 911 failed 500 miles after filming this. I'm not even joking. 20 grand to fix it because a rod bolt let go.
@@ZentRose holy crap!! Sorry to hear that! See man I just can’t afford that! I mean I guess I could but it’s not money well spent! I am getting the 2.7 cayman with sport exhaust. Super fun car to drive.. to your friend best of luck.
"For the original base price of around $70k, this car was a sort of a piece of shit" Loved this lol
For around 15k you're way better off with an e46 m3, C5 vette, S2k, and the list goes on.
+TheXdmgx7 Yeah and the C6 corvettes are under 20 now too. I just grabbed a C6 with the Z51 and 3LT package.
+ZentRose wow I thought those are in the 25 range. Well done on that purchase man.
+TheXdmgx7 Thanks! Yeah I was excited to find it locally. It has the typical LS2 harmonic balancer wobble and needs a couple other small things replaced.
Dumbass the 996 will destroy any of the cars you listed.
+WarefareModern3 Lol You wish. Straight line it will beat the s2k, maybe the m3. But when you get to a corner, the 996 will just spin out on entry lol can't destroy anything in reverse unfortunately lol
I just think the 996 is a bad choice for a Porsche investment. I mean the 997 is vastly better and the Cayman is too. The Caymans are much cheaper and realistically the best entry point for a modern Porsche owner.
+Clesarie, Let me know which one's a good investment. To me, unless you can buy a rare Porsche, cheap, none provide investment opportunity. As an investor, wouldn't you buy at the bottom of the depreciation curve, or at least find something with some upside left? The 356, SC, Carrera, 964 and 993 seem to be at the top. How could they be a good investment? Which one is hanging around the bottom of the depreciation curve? ---the 996, especially the 996TT. I have a 996.2 and it has not lost a dime in 5 years. With the outrageous price increase in the air-cooled units can only mean the 996.2 can only hold or raise in value. The 9964S, the GT#, the TT, Silver Anniversary The 997 is vastly better? Jeramy Clarkson makes fun of the fact he can't tell the difference. How is it VASTLY different, (i'll give you the IMS issue in the 06 and up has been removed), But, are you prepared to pay 15K more for the 997-- fix the IMS in the 996 $1,700. I'm nearing a purchase of a 2009 -4S is it a good investment, hell no. But a lot of car for the money. Fun, hell yes. Will I sell the '02 996? Nope. Forget the cayman you'll only look at 911's and wish you had one.. Buy a 996.2 Carrera and if you can afford the 996TT get one they are a blast and then invest in health and science funds......I can't wait to see where these air cooled prices are in several years...I hope the values hold....I've owned them wish I hadn't sold. I'm not a buyer.
+Clesarie I think all porches are good investments when they hit the bottom of the deprecation curve. All the bad ones are dead or dying by then,then the market eats up the ones that are available when they become affordable. Then you are left with the low miles survivors and the one with everything fixed with records and appreciation because there are not many of them left. I remember when the early 90s ones were in the 20s. Someone close to my family told me there are 2 ways to drive a car for "free" meaning only gas and insurance. Buy a desirable car with unique options drive the shit out of it and sell it withing the first 3 years. The bmw 1m and the porshe gt4 come to mind limited run cars. You can find a 1m at msrp with 30k on the clock. The next way is buying a car at the bottom of the curve. He has a yellow 94 that he is very much above the break even point.
Engine failure is one of those tales... Phase 1 997s also had problems...
No, I just would not touch a 996 because it is simply, profoundly, irretrievably ugly. So non-911 looking that I hate it with a vengeance (I write these comments as I just bought my eleventh 911 -a Turbo S 991- which does NOT make me a hero, just a real Porsche addict.) By the way, the best condamnation of the 996 came from Porsche themselves... they put the usual "round eyes" look back on the 997, and ever since (well, a bit elongated on the 991, but nothing like the "melted cheese" look.
For all of us concerned about the Porsche IMS Bearing issue - I found a very informative article from Autohaus Hamilton in Australia about the IMS. The article also lists all the models and engines (with engine numbers) that are affected. To read the article just type in “Autohaus Hamilton IMS” into google. The Porsche models that are prone to IMS failure and should be replaced are: - All 986 Boxster models. - 987 Cayman & Boxster models up to engine number 61504715 - All 996 models (not including: GT and Turbo models) - 997 3.6ltr with M96/05 up to engine number 6950745
I'm actually considering buying a 996 Porsche 911 in the near future. I've been doing my research on it and I still like the car.
Just looking at it honestly, I've had 3 996's. A 2001 turbo, a '99 Carrera 4, and currently a 2002 turbo. I have owned one of these three over the last 6 years and only had one problem, the 2001 turbo alternator failed but I pulled it and had it repaired then replaced it for $28. You can change the oil, plugs and filters yourself. You can have it aligned at any top shelf tire place. You can upgrade the heck out of these cars, especially the turbo. This guy is just plain wrong. I could list potential problems for any car all day long but it doesn't mean it happens to many of them. Also, I paid $30,000 for my 2002 turbo, there aren't many options available at $30,000 that give you that kind of performance. This guy obviously didn't take that car around a a corner.
the IMS and the rear main seal was the biggest criticism on the 996. otherwise there's no other problems with these cars.
+Taylor Mordoch Misinformation -those problems are in all the 911's, caymans and boxters from 1998 to 2008.
+MadeByYHVH SavedByIησοῦς: The early 996 actually has the best IMS bearing set of them all. Still should consider doing the upgrade. The cost of replacing the IMS is small for what you are getting. I remember replacing my catalytic converter on my Jeep and that cate allown was $2,000. Some repairs are just expensive and must be done. Your points are correct regarding the 1998 - 2008. All had an IMS.
The 996 actually saved porsche from a financial meltdown in the late 90's. It seems there was next to no profit margin to be had in previous incarnations largely due to the over engineering that went into them during manufacturing.
The 996 was a mass produced car where cost cutting was a prime concern. All the points this guy listed are indeed very real concerns with the m96 and to a lesser degree the m97 engine. He left out undersized big end bearings and conrods though. Do all cars fail eventually, no. But if you are honest are you really comfortable driving around in a 911 with an engine that is hugely questionable from an engineering standpoint.
I'm a huge 911 fan dont get me wrong, i just have little faith in the m96/97 engines. Porsche never did own up to the short comings of these engines however the 997.2 moved to a totally new direct injection engine that has done away with all previous listed faults.
I have a 2000 C2, I absolutely love it. The 911 was a dream car of mine and this was the perfect place to start for me. The engine failures affected less than 5% of all 996's. That's a number I can live with and if my engine goes, I'll put an LS-1 in it for the same $10,000 as the Porsche 3.4L and basically have a perfect car.
Bro there's lots of true to your research on engine problems with the 996. All good.
I can hardly wait to buy 1 !!!
And when the repairs are done, it'll be time to enjoy the car on the interstate.
I won't be convincing any of my friends to buy any vehicle, just so I can enjoy it from time to time.
That's collect freshman talk lol
I fucking love my s2000
IMS fails on less than 7% of these cars, however the Internet has blown it out of proportion. Look up the 08 STI and how many blown motors they had. Your "reliable" subaru has a better chance of the motor blowing
I think 996s are a great buy for the money. I see them going for over $20k now so seems price is staying steady. I know full well that these are the hated 911s. Having said that, I'm sure there are some issues, but they mostly seem to stem from the IMS bearing - change that and you seem to be ok for about $1k.
I actually like the fact that these are hated, makes them cheaper now and like many folks have said on the thread, these only have one place to go - up. I would buy if I had a chance. Oil change seems pretty easy to do.
Brutally Honest. Love it!!!
I love these cars !! They are such garbage that I've made a good living repairing them for the last 15 yrs . And I love to beat the hell outa them and their snotty owners with my basically stock
05 GTO !
I'm pretty sure he have one ,he don't know what he taking about the person who have Porsche or have mechanical skills or have enough money for maintenance of one of those cars sir let the people be happy and don't bother or scared the people than wanna have one Porsche I got my one for long time and I enjoy my one every time there no substitute.
C5 ZO6, C6 Base, and C5 Z51
On my 3rd 996, I love them!...yes they cost a bit more to own,but such a great car in a world of cars where so many are similar I got the tt this time but I wouldn't be afraid of a normally aspirated car just do the ims and drive
so my meighbor inherited a 996 which i was considering for my wife as a daily driver. after exp with my neighbors 996 which is in the shop now and this video ill look at alternates cars or the turbo as a DD
Buy a razor, get a shave.
My main issue was always the front end and interior styling. After '02, all 996's shared the Turbo's headlamps and improved the build quality. I've luckily known no one with a 996 that has had IMS issues. I own a Cayman (bought new in '08). It has the M97 engine, which like the '06-08 997 models, has an improved IMS (unfortunately not replaceable if it goes, though the chances are far more remote) and is considered more reliable than the M96 motors of the 996 as well as the 1st gen (986) Boxster. I have 62k miles on my car, and no issues. I'm considering a 996 or 997 cabrio (C4S or Turbo) for my first 911, but I'm spoiled by the simple and vice-free ride/handling combination of the Cayman even though it lacks the power of the 911 (all relative, the Cayman still has more grip and power than I normally ever use). Used Type 987 Caymans and Boxsters are a relative bargain, similar in price to earlier 996 Carreras but newer, with better quality, and probably more reliable.
+Glenn Havinoviski I agree. Good addition here. I like the 996 look with the aero kit.
I have only seen a few m96 engines blow in person. I caught one on film the other weekend. I will post it soon!
What Engine would you replace the stock motor with in the 996, if a problem occurred with the engine that came with the car, ie. for $6k-10k? Lots of good points on this "Budget Porsche that I have not heard elsewhere, besides the IMS bearing! Thanks!
We did a rebuild with a sleeved block on this one after it blew and added an x51 baffle. Expenses were not recovered. If money is tight I would stay away from this car. If money is no object, it is enjoyable.
great short video, I would love to see more "honest" reviews...
Waheed360 Ok sounds good. Thanks!
+Waheed360 And you think this was an honest review? I'm not sure about that.
Is this a troll video 😂
So let's say hypothetically that it did not have any of those issues listed. Is it a car you'd buy over say, an E46 M3?
Alex Zhao Issues aside on both cars … I'd buy the E46 M3.
996 the car that saved porsche......
this must be sponsored by engine repair companies ha ha
air cooled cost more than twice to repair
Practical experienced advice that will lead to the best owner satisfaction and avoid financial ruin.
Taking the emotions out of car buying is the best way to avoid a bad car owning experience.
Emotional decisions only help car sellers.
PrototypeSpyGuy Thanks!
Great video, ZentRose!
By the way, what hoodie were you wearing in the video? It's pretty rad.
***** Thanks! I don't know much about the hoodie. I got it from a skate shop a long time ago and it is made by matix.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and comments about the 996. For most people usefull advice.Also for me: "where smoke is must be a fire" But clearly not for the Porsche-addicts or "investors" below. I own a black 996 mk1 C2, 1999, double IMSbearing, nearly 130k(km) on it.Bought it 3 weeks ago. Totally love it: the looks,smell,sound, drive, shifting. Most other cars of this age (nearly 17 years!) are already gone and some for a long time. Not my Porsche, its still standing strong and is a dream to ride and looks staggering. But due to all of these internet hoaxes I'm a bit concerned. Should I do the conversions or: "don't fix it if it's ain't broken?" After all it runs just fine the past 16 years. I think I just do routine maintenance and see what happens.And: Don't buy a Porsche or other high performance car if you want to have a cheap ride. It will always cost you.
+Philip Poot The ones that are regularly driven seem to do just fine. I would just drive, enjoy it and inspect the oil filter for particles when you change the oil. From my own experience, you can sometimes spot metal flakes in the filter before anything bad happens. Enjoy your car!
+ZentRose Will do so. Thanks
Great common sense, look at it for what it is video. Excellent work, I needed to see this!!!
This is what people used to say about the Dodge Daytona back in the day.
First I like you have the balls to enable comments, the IMS issue has been the execration of the 996 but that doesn't apply for all of them is a 1% probability with this issue, buying one for $15000 immediately will raise flags no one who has been diligent with maintenance will let it go for so low, also remember if you have a 99 is a 16 year old vehicle and been German will require money for maintenance but this cars well maintained can last you for a long time and for the money you pay no one will match this performance.
+Al Bundy There are no meaningful statistics available on engine failures for these cars. When I purchase a german car (Like my E90 M3). I set aside money for engine failures in a separate trading account called an "engine failure fund". It happens a lot and the porsche communities brush it off. When I blew up my last BMW I just sold it as is. It wasn't worth the headache.
The thing about the base porsche owner is that most of them do not have money. One guy in a base porsche tried to buy my Viper and he got offended when I told him he couldn't afford it. These comments just highlight the porsche owner's insecurities. If you have cash, buy a 996 turbo. It's 50k and an incredible bargain.
+ZentRose, thank you for your reply, about the statistics, this are based on the CEF, Porsche recolected during the warranty period from vehicles 99 to 04, Boxsters and 911's, also some 997's 05-08 have the same issue with the IMS causing CEF, if I was on my 20's, a college student or leaving pay check to pay check, I won't buy a 996 as my daily driver.
Yes maintenance is expensive in this vehicles specially as they get older, mine I bought it as a weekend car, I spent, in the course of a little over a year around $6000, I didn't change the IMS and the RMS and water pump or clutch. Remember the base Porsche is the Boxster not the 911, no one with no money would there to touch a used Porsche but like always they are exemptions.
About discriminating because some one came in a "Base Porsche", man, you have a lot to learn in life, even if I have someone in a Corolla stepping at my business is going to be treat as the one with the Bentley.
Lol.
Once you have the entire engine done right you drive one of the nastiest machines out there!
Suprised you bought an E92 though, as it also suffers from catastrophic engine failure.
Adrian A The M3 is worth the trouble. I put the E90 through it's paces while I owned it and didn't feel nervous about it. I also set up an account to fund it in case of engine failure. The car held up great and I had an absolute blast owning it and working on it.
what would you get in the same 15k price range?
+CHINPAZO I picked up a Z06 for 13k which was a lot of fun.
what kind of dog is that? he looks just like mine.
just get the IMS bearing replaced - do a new clutch and plate at the same time all in under $3K - just plan on it from the purchase - and you have a bullet proof daily driver with a new 60k mile clutch - or buy a Camrey.
are buy a c5 thatll beat the shit out of this thing that's just waiting to blow up know thanks
+Phillip Pugh You do know that C5 Corvettes are plagued by their own expensive gremlins, including major electrical problems, interior water leaks, constant ABS failures, bad valve springs and lifters, transmission issues galore. All high end sports cars have problems because they're test beds for technology and advancement. GM is having major issues out of the new Vettes as well. The most reliable sports car of the last 25 years or so is probably the Acura NSX and even they have some issues.
The LN IMS kit, for example, is still not a magic bullet that you install and forget. It is recommended to change the LN with some frequency, too. Per LN's website: LN Engineering currently offers a Dual Row IMS Retrofit as well as the Single Row Pro IMS Retrofit, where the engine does not have to be disassembled to replace the factory sealed ball-bearing, both with a 6 year/75,000 mile service interval.
Thank you for being clear & honest. What cars do you own as of today?
+Lanre Oladejo I sold my entire collection. I have a Z51 pack Corvette & an FJ cruiser.
Well, but the facelift is ok, I think....
cool dude, honest and reasonable, thanks man
sweet music, bro (no, but seriously )