Trying To Shoot The Efren Corner Shot | Your Average Pool Player
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2018
- When Efren Reyes came to America in 1984, no one in the US knew he was about to take them to the cleaners for the next 35+ years. He's absolutely the most creative pool player around, and this installment of Your Average Pool Player attempts to recreate his famous corner shot.
Playing a ball off the corner is not as easy as I thought it would be, especially since it doesn't act like a ball. The cushion acts more like a spring, so the spin you need to apply isn't backspin, it's topspin. Enjoy my attempts to make it. Please subscribe if you want to see more videos.
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Efren, during one of his interviews, revealed that when he was young and used to visit the local pool halls often, he had a unique approach to learning. Instead of observing skilled players, he preferred to watch beginners. He did this because sometimes beginners would accidentally make impressive shots through sheer luck. Efren would carefully study and analyze these shots, and then incorporate them into his own pool-playing techniques. It wouldn't be surprising if the famous "L shot" he performs here was inspired by one of those fortunate shots he observed in the past.
I did that once. I suck at pool, but I once made an impossible three bank shot through a wall of balls and sank the ball I was aiming at. I had to smash the cue ball as hard as I could. Couldn't do it again in a million years, but I did it.
It was revealed that he aims low and strikes high because he can
aiming low visualizing where ball hits table very common technique. its a small and more visible aim point
a4givn11 this answer does not help at all
aiming the ball low is a common technique here in the philippines, it is used to hide from your opponent where you actually hit cue ball.
marcus kelevra why? Why do people want to hide where they hit the cue ball?
@@brendanpassey8306 so your opponent will not learn anything from you
You keep doing these badass videos and you will no longer be an "average pool player"
STOP STEALING MY BRAINWAVES
Notice the cue ball avoided the 8 on Efren's shot? Magic!
Liked your comment purely because of your avatar. \m/ Getchya pull! :)
but I guess, now he isnt a average pool player, is he?
Always good to see another lover of the arts 🤘🤘🤘
This is my favorite pool shot of all time. More than the Z shot, even though that had way higher stakes. The Z shot was something anyone could think of, it was just amazing that he hit it. This shot is so creative, and it makes the ball move in a way that a casual observer would never think was possible, and Efren did it like it was NOTHING. He deliberated much longer on the Z shot. On this, he just worked his magic, being the Magician that he is.
The Z shot was harder to pull off than the corner shot, or L shot. It took Rollie 23 times to do the Z shot while it only took him 8 to duplicate the L shot. The cue ball has to hit only one side of the pocket while the Z shot has to bank off of 3 rails before the object ball.
@@Tam0de Well, Gunter's point is that although the Z shot is a lot more technically demanding, he likes this one because it involves a lot of creativity, whereas the Z shot is "straightforward" in the sense that it's comprised purely of straightline bounces
@@Tam0de anybody could create a Z shot whether by accident or not, but the difference is I've never seen anybody else use the tip of the side pocket rail to bounce a shot into the corner like Efren did in this shot, you could dig archives of pool videos and that Efren shot is the first televised film of that kind of shot
the "L" is easier because the ball "1" is already close to pocket.
And don’t forget that Rollie just imitates the shot, he already knows it and it still took him 8x. Efren pulls this trick out of thin air. In a high level tournament. On a pinch.
Im from the Phillipines,
and ive been a "tambay" **its how we call it here** in one of efren's frequented pool places in intramuros the LUCKY 13 Billard Hall.. it is told by 'tambay's' there that the reason why he aims low and hits somewhere on the cue ball is that during his hustling days he faces different types of good/great opponents and he tends to hide his shots from those players and onlookers alike.. It is what we call here as "TAGO-TIRA" tago means "hide" and tira means "shot", basically means hiding the shot..
I hope this helps.. Great channel by the way..
More great vids bruh..👊👌
Tambay is bystander in english i think. And I'm filipino too so agik
@@TheUserfriendly18 Yea it's what he meant and what i meant is i think tambay in english is bystander.
Para sa isang tambay ikaw na po ang heneral nila.hahaha galing mo po mag english.
@@TheUserfriendly18 well i cant be always right. It's good you stood up on what you know but isnt nanonood and nakikiisyoso is what he's reffering when he say tambay? Like a regular bystander something like that. And one more thing this is a friendly discussion ha peace lang.
Pano mo Naman nasabi?
One of the most underrated UA-cam channel concepts ever.
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Liam Barron :D
Just followed him haha
He aims low and strikes high because it is easier to discern where center ball is as the cue gets lower. This can also be used as a technique to mask your true intent, that way other players can't reproduce your shots without further analysis, just as initially happened to you in this recreation. Hope this helped
This is the best answer for the question.
According to someone else's comment, was that back in his days as a hustler, he would aim low to hide what his shots really were so that it was more difficult to replicate
. yeah of course to mask,..
@@DevinHeida which is what he just said
@@DevinHeida I know stuff too!!
He aim low and hit high coz "A magician does not reveal his secrets"
Yeah but he just made the same shot regardless. So that was a poor attempt. He's an amateur too it took him 7 attempts to do this shot just imagine how long it would take a pro learn that.
@@Zogixaas09 efren does it by habit. Pool players in intramuros hides their shots.
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This is the correct answer
So true!!!
In my opinion, Efren will always be the greatest, most humble pool table champion of all time. While most pro's let their mouths do the talking, Efren let his cue do all the walking.
It's sad to hear he retired but at the same time, happy that he retired as the best pool table player of all time. He will surely be missed greatly.
Another great video, thank you. A few years ago a friend that I was mentoring on pool brought this shot of Efren's to my attention. I worked through it like you did in this video until I could make it pretty regularly. At the next Derby City Classic, one morning Efren just happened to be sitting next to the table I was hitting balls on watching me practice. So I thought of this shot, set it up and say "hey Efren, watch this." I shot it and he just gave me a big grin. As many issues that pool has, it's still pretty amazing that a relative wannabe like myself can have amazing experiences like this with the GOAT! Thanks again for your great videos!
Oh, the "zombie ate my pizza" guy got it right on the aim low and hit higher thing. It's due to elbow drop. Most top players only do that when using a hard break, but occasionally you'll see it at other times as well.
This shot had to be devastating to his opponent.
It really shows the intelligence of this man that instead of a double bank, chip, etc. He used the corner of a pocket, jeez
Grady Moxley ikr, i mean granted I don’t play, but the first time i saw it i was like wtf, you can do that? Like a 90 deg turn wth
@@conraddevera you just have to know how the rails, and the spin works
@@conraddevera a,
@@lostsouls1919 that easy eh?
No pool player would even consider that shot
Should be more regular...but these videos are awesome
I guess Rollie got better and better, and I think he is not in regular level anymore.
Love this series, keep them coming !!
Thats what makes Efren Legend,,,he is not afraid to take risks and his confidence is off the charts.
Oh my, that was so ingenious and daring shot of Efren. How could you beat a man who literally knows every corner of the pool table. These are the shots that really separate Efren from the rest of world class players. Btw, in what competition did Efren do that and against whom?
vs Chao Fong Pang
@@edwardsiew8675 you just made that name up
@A H Chao Fong Pang is a real person, Legendary pool player from Taiwan
@@schm0sbyy en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chao_Fong-pang
Here is the tournament video
ua-cam.com/video/lmBEujtZqNM/v-deo.html
Pong fang chao also a 9 ball champion from Taiwan
I WAS SO MUCH LOOKING FORWARD FOR THIS !!!
Been waiting this for so long!!!
2 months between videos in this 'series' is too damn long.... love these. Keep it up :D
Yeah true
My apologies, I will make them more frequently.
@@KAMUIBRAND they are awesome !!! Keep it up
These are some of the best pool videos around...keep up the great work!
Rollie I practice this shot every single practice session and of course every now and then I get to try it out during an actual match. So far, I have made it like 3 times during a match and it was absolutely Fantastic! Don't care about the other times when I didn't make it, because the look on my opponent's face after me making the shots is something I will treasure forever! During practice I sometimes make it like twice in a row but then it can take me like 20 attempts before I make it again :D
I'll watch every single one of these videos you make, especially if it includes Efren.
I've been waiting ages for a new one of these!! Great video series, keep them coming.
Thank you for doing this ! Please continue to do these videos ! They are awesome !
the greatest billiard/pool player of all time the living legend Efren "Bata" Reyes
I had coffee with reyes yesterday. I showed him the video and he told me it was his habit aiming low
Nice! I've been waiting so long for the next episode of this series. Love it!
Enjoy your posts. Thank you. Am also learning. 58 years old and still playing, enjoying, and learning. A great game! Nice pool hall where you are recording. My compliments to owner(s).
Finally a new video
Keep them coming
The point is: How the heck did he think of taking such a shot!
Nabil, because only he knows. Hes a Pool God. 😁
Those kinds of shots were derived from watching newbie players making fluke shots. People like Efren turn those fluke shots into usable shots. Meaning people like Efren sees a fluke shot and then they try to figure out how it was done, perfect them, and add them to their arsenal until one day that such a shot is needed. I imagine that it is also done in other sports like football, like how to kick a curveball. I hope that helps.
Sticking around local bars/play areas for hours (probably on a daily basis), will teach you a lot about playing pool. These regulars who rent the table for hours are usually good with billiards. Couple that with lots of beer drinking of course haha
Pretty sure he said Efren is really creative
science
It's already been said, but I echo the comments about wanting to see more of these great videos! Fantastic series that is not only fun to watch how you finally make the shot, but helping us "average players" learn more about how to make the shot too.
Im a huge huge fan of efren since i was a little boy. He aims lower simply because that's the way he make a shot like all the time and i adopted it even the way he make the shot, chalk his cue stick and his trickshots through the years of playing billiards. He's the greatest and probably the humblest pool player ever. Salute to the magician
Bustamante also cues low, but doesnt actually hit low on the final release. I've heard its a fairly common practice among Filipinos. I've experimented with it before, and it's actually not too bad of a technique. But I prefer to cue where I intend on hitting the cue ball.
It masks the intent of the shot, making it hard to replicate. He aims like a backspin, but he adjusts before contact to shoot the top-spin. Thus, harder for opponents to copy his shots.
I've been rewatching these and was reminded of a shot that I took in a League match BECAUSE of this video. My opponent broke dry and, like Efren, every reasonable path to the 1-ball was somehow blocked. I'd never tried a point shot before; but I saw that it had a chance. The 1-ball wasn't hanging, but I figured if I could just get a hit I had a decent chance of sending it towards a pocket or at least hiding it somewhere else. I somehow managed to not only hit the 1, but make it AND another ball (in APA 9-ball that's 2 points). Definitely got lucky; I could probably try that 100 more times and hit the 1-ball less than 10 times (let alone make it, and even STILL get a bonus ball). But thanks to this video, I saw a hit and got it.
Finally!! I have been waiting for this. Awesome vid cheers
Tonight is one of those nights where I'm just getting deeper and deeper into UA-cam, and I start coming across videos that I would never see. I'm actually glad I ended up here. I haven't played pool in years but it's interesting to see this type of content. Best of luck for you and your Channel.
Rollie, one of the greatest shots of his I've seen was in a challenge match in Las Vegas. It's in a vid somewhere from not long ago. He played Max Eberle, then played some challenge matches. He was playing an 8 year old kid who barely knew how to hold the stick. Efren set him up first with a 1-9 combo but he missed. At the end, the 9 was near a corner and it was Efren's turn. He hit the 9 3-4 rails putting it at the other corner and held the cue ball at the first one. The kid then made the shot. What I want to see is how he made the 9 go so many rails and end up Straight In for the kid to make it.
he's aiming low then hit high.. i think to confuse someone watching. " OMG how does he do that" that's why We called him the MAGICIAN... It's Magic.. Hats off to Mr. Efren Reyes. He's a LEGEND. nice vid's anyway.. keep it up.
Love this series. If this series were available as a blu-ray/dvd I'd throw money at you!
Your mental approach is amazinggggg ! Its the way ppl should tackle anything that they may wanna get good at in life. I hope you get all of the success that you can handle.
I must say, even a seasoned pool player would have not thought of that shot by efren...
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GOAT
Period
OMG he really did that during tournament? OMG
lmao he does it all the time. He is the GOAT of pool
Without hesitation
Yeah, against top-level players with the game on the line 😁
*Magicians* -.-
That's why he's called the magician he used trick shots on official tournament..
Thank you for making this video. I've been waiting for this. I'm one of your fans now.
About that aiming at the lower part of cue ball before taking the shot, i also make that move just to have a clear view of the cue ball but for others players that i know they say they make that shot to hide what they are actually doing with the cue ball. They usually do that in money games.
A pleasure to find your channel, you are a wholesome credit to the sport.
I know a few players who always aim low, regardless of which sort of shot they actually plan on playing. I've spoken to them a bout it and they said it's because they can see the cue ball better while aiming if their tip is low. Then they just adjust the height before striking. I don't know if I would try to use this technique, and I don't know if that's why Reyes did it back then, but it has a certain charm to it I suppose.
they must not understand physics.
Shane van boening does something similar where his prestroke routine shows him aiming completely different from he actually strikes
perhaps they wanted to spin with the rotation of the cue, so when aiming lower but hitting top spin, makes the cue more like 10 degree or so. There are several player that finds this technique more useful than higher the hands so get the top spin with 180 degree straight.
If you aim at the bottom of the ball where it touches the table you can find the middle of the ball and then adjust your cueing from there
A lot of russian billiard player do the same. They do prestrokes really low on cue ball but during the stroke they have huge elow drop and contact cue ball near the center.
Seen a lot of comments on his aiming, but I draw on one from Jim Wych back in the late 80s from an interview he had with the magician.
Jim said that several Filipino players from the Efren and Bustamonte school and era would use spin instead of speed to play a larger selection of shots for position, especially favoring stun shots. They would also aim low because it encouraged a player to keep their head and body low and still during set up. And I also heard about the hustle technique.
man i love these videos keep up the good work man!
Thanks for another great video. I haven't played pool in years, but these videos make me want to play again, and I'm going to do that.
Keep em coming
Efren Reyes the greatest ever pool player, dead or alive!
He is still alive
sir, i love dis segment, more of these pls
I don't even play pool, but I can't stop watching your videos! Great job man! Keep it up, very entertaining and educational
Go play pool, it's a lot of fun.
Aiming low but striking high is just his life motto!
Been waiting for this lol. Tho I think this really has range depending on how they did the felt and cut the bumper on said table.
This vid gave me chills and goosebumps. Efren reyes is one of the best for maybe the best filipino pool player ever. And seeing him make those crazy shots proves that he is worthy of the title "the magician".
Efren never stop to amaze pool fans, i watch it so many times & im still amazed.. :'O
First and foremost, I love your videos and thanks for this release. Im inlove with that Efren shot. I've been expecting this one, and finally arrived!
Second, Aiming low was explained by several players before (I think that Van Boening said what Im gonna explain as well).
The common denominator for most of players who do that is the fact that you can actually "see" more of the ball, and since a perfect "imagination" is required for the trajectory of your cue ball to the object ball, aiming low lets you "see" more of it. Specially if you dont play with an open bridge like in snooker. Open bridge gives you more of a "look", but less stability (this is why professional snooker players are idols), and close bridge gives you more stability but less "view" on the cue ball, thus making the "aiming lower" a good compensation for it.
Sorry for the long typing.
Levy Gonen yup I remember very clearly Busty explaining that he aims low to see where he wants to hit the cue ball on TAR
I think this is something that probably isn't thought about in practice. I think most players size up a shot a certain way, but on the shooting stroke, it's all muscle memory/hand eye coordination subconcious stuff that can only be developed from millions of shots and natural ability for the body to work coordinatedly and accruately and repeatable. I've heard some youtube pool video analysts (haha) say they've noticed slight offsets from center, pull's in stroke etc and other things in professional snooker players, but the player completely unaware, corrects for it etc, and can make all types of shots consistantly.
I mean if you can tell your opponent is blatantly gawking at your shooting technique and that bothers you, then yeah I can see hiding that stuff a bit, to be honest some times you get best results doing you and how you naturally attack the problem. Making presupposed assumptions about stuff with out natural development of skill will probably hurt your game (possibly for months or years). The point is not only that a skilled player knows the secret sauce how/where to hit the ball isn't enough really, the player also knew what information was garbage, what to listen too. They may of been called hard headed for ignoring some stuff, may have taken long time to develop other areas enduring long periods with out immediate gains, resisted persuasion from others. Either way they naturally know what they want to do and do it. I've played some older players in strait pool that can run 20-30 but due to short stature, and age, you would think they have awful mechanics by most of the current pool trends, yet they sink shots extremely consistently. You know efren rayes, or shane could probably use a mop instead of pool cue, and play left handed with horrible form, yet still beat all but the best. So many variables and the trend that I'm seeing is people think they can computerize it and become pro players over night with no work or effort. Adults going around their entire life pretending to be robots, it's quite a laugh.
Man just Pls make videos like these more often
It took me and my buddy about 2 hours at the pool hall trying to figure this out a few years ago! You made it easier!
I really like this series. Please keep it going.
EDIT. I actually subscribed because of the series.
From what I have seen and makes sense is to prevent amatures like me from stealing his shots. Even if you slow the recording shots he makes, you can't really see where he hits.
I've heard that a lot of the higher rated players aim low because it helps determine how much English they are using. The point where the cue touches the table is always the vertical center of the cue ball, aiming low lets you visualize that better.
Hiding your shot is common in Philippines. Another reason for that why good players do that is so onlookers, gabblers, spies etc won't measure how good your skill level is and not back out in betting games. It's hard to make money hustling if opponent avoid playing you and pool hustlers are jobless so they have to make money playing billar
Good vids! I really enjoy these, please keep doing them.
Keep these videos going! They're so good
i was waiting from too long
I lot of the Filipino players aim low on the cue ball. Their cue action has a lot of shoulder which makes the tip rise as they stroke through the ball where they get a lot of elbow drop on the stroke, so over the years they've learned to compensate for that by aiming lower than they intend to strike. If you watch Bustamante perform a draw shot, he doesn't even point the tip at the cue ball, he points it at the cloth in front of the cue ball and it looks like he's going to completely miscue, but of course he doesn't.
Either Filipino or Philippine player but no way Philipino.
MarkAndApps Cool, thanks!
@@Zombies8MyPizza You're welcome 😊
Then there those of us who aim at the cue ball in the middle and hit the table anyway....{sigh}
@@MrEsMysteriesMagicks those people need to stop shooting pool.
The best video sport series on the entire youtube
Love this videos, make them more often please.
Thanks for the video. Where did this shot come from? Did Efren invent it? Was it a shot he had practiced? Has anybody seen this shot done anyplace else? Maybe this says something about my inability to think outside the box, but my sense of it is if I played pool for a thousand years, eight hours a day, I would never have thought of making this shot intentionally.
as efren said , he also watch amateur players play and discovers unbelievable shots 😂
Can you try Alex Higgins blue ball? if you know what am talking about
Awesome content as always! Thank you.
Thank God you're back!!!
I love this section.
Legends says they can't play 8ball pool
But they r famous becoz they play in real life
This is my first positive comment in my entire youtube life. Dude you are excellent in what you're doing. Keep it up. My time is not wasted.
these are so good. only feedback would be do more of these videos. also liked the small blips of history you give
Bro post twice a week...or...atleast 1 plzz u r awsome
Pro gamer I second this
I don't know for certain that this is why Efren does this. (Aims Low) I do know several of the old hustlers though and I know the reason they do it. Pool was once a game of hidden knowledge. The only way to see most of the very best play was to pay them to play you. This is an obfuscation tactic meant to conceal what kind of English they are actually putting on the ball. Again, I can't say for certain this is why he does it, but I do know several very very talented players that grew up doing it for this reason.
Joshua Schmidt
You've hit the nail on its head.. Efren and in fact Earl too grew up hustlin
@@drodrigues3451 speaking of Earl, I think Efren's more relaxed "locomotive" stroking style that uses a loose grip and swinging wrist, like a moving piston, gave him an edge against fatigue during The Color of Money race to 120 in 1996. Although Efren only beat him by 3 racks (120-117), he was trailing behind Strickland by a large margin for most of the match until the end. Also, SVB is an honorary Pinoy! He uses this type of stroke at times but with less movement.
In Filipino we call it "Tago Tira" Hide the shot
Thank you so much. I have been wanting you to do this one.
This is the best pool series on UA-cam.
Aiming low, regardless of where along the vertical axis you hit, allows you to have more fluidity in your stroke, and less stress on your bridge hand, as stroking with a high aim point and high bridge hand is fatiguing, and thus may cause an inaccurate stroke.
A lot of pool players do seem to do this, but you'd never catch a snooker player doing it. Perhaps it sacrifices some accuracy for a more fluid motion?
someguywhocanfly stephen lee and Ronnie sometimes does this
It's a bad habit. Most old too players weren't technical. It's much harder to control your cueing properly but also better for your overall game.
Uhhhh no.
I agree. Most filipinos do this as I am one of those players. We don’t hold the cue stick as hard as snooker players. It is a more fluid and relaxed shot making. It does sacrifice a little bit of accuracy but there is a little bit of wiggle room for pockets in pool. Saying that this is a bad habit obviously do not know what you are talking about.
efren made that shot in an actual game and "first try!" 😂
Nope I dont think so🤣 High level players knows how the balls would react if it was hit in a particular way. Because they have practiced or tried it before.
Force, angle, top/down/side spin.
How the ball would react if it hit the rail/another ball.
How the ball would react after 3 bounces.
etc etc.
@@susandinosaur732 you know, that shot did not exist before Efren did it in that competition. He created it on an actual event. You should see his games. He knows angles, precision, ball control and every corner of the pool that's why he can create magic in an actual game.
Ohh no MR. KNOWS EVERYTHING is here 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡 🤡
Please make these more often. So good.
Great to have u again
2:15 “tOp spin”
Love to know foreign people patronizing our Billiards legend..
"Looks like it was shot through a burlap sack by a potato..." lol I really like the humorous lines you're injecting in your videos. Keep it up!
nice job, enjoy these a lot!
Can someone please explain to me in terms of the laws of geometry how this shot is possible? Thank You!
I can explain but only in french: Quand la bille blanche (cue ball) frappe l'angle de la poche elle est renvoyée vers la gauche mais aussi vers l'intérieur du billard. Sans effet on percute la 8 au mieux , il faut donc un coulé pour ramener la bille le long de la bande. Intuitivement on penserait heurter l'autre coté de la poche du milieu mais dans les faits la bille blanche glisse sur le tapis avant que le coulé ne fasse son effet, la blanche s'est donc écarté de la bande quand le coulé agit.
When you hit the ball at the upper part, it gets top spin, that means after the ball hits the corner it will bounce to the left and try to keep spinning forward due to the spin, making it go along the rail
It's a straight line , from Efren's eyes down to his cue stick continuing to the cue ball and finally the pocket where ever he wants it in. There u go 'geometry in a billiard hall'😉
Because of the gravity of the earth.....
(I'm joking, sorry)
@@anmax so is he just hit me the ball straight up top to create the forward spin or was he also putting left English on the ball as well to make it spin to his left?
It's a deception that we Filipinos are good at, it's "TAGO-TIRA" what we call it
Good and humble learner! You can be like him someday and can go a long, long way at your dream sport!
Great! Your editing skills are getting better aswell! Congrats on the shot and the video.
hmmm am guessing he aims down on the cue ball becouse he got used to it like every other pro player for example look at shane van boaning stroke and aim he aims at the same spot on the cue ball almost every time so i think it is just something they do out of habit , for the next vid i would like to see you try earl strickland famous jump and draw from efran reyes farewell tour .
Growing up playing for money every tricks count. Never show opponent your Kung Fu. More Asian players do that then any other places. In my humble opinion 😂
WoW, that's *Amazing, Stunning, and Clear!* …what I've been looking for! :D :D
Dude this was impressive - you made it way quick than I thought u would
nice
but only efren can do that in a real tournament...
quick thinking ...
natural talent, years of experience, creativity and intellect are the key on why he's so great at pool/billiard
Dont believe you got it in 7th attempt. Liar
Love these!
They need to up load more of these I like watching these