Proton CEO explains DANGERS of giving Google your IDENTITY
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Your email is more than just communication. It's a form of online identity and there are dangers to having a company like Google retain full control of that. Listen to part 3 of my interview with @ProtonAG CEO Andy Yen to understand why this is so important.
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Video Timestamps
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0:00 - Email as your Identity
0:42 - How Google controls your identity online
1:24 - Alternative to Google
2:24 - Why Escape from Google services?
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Andy Yen, privacy advocate and CEO of Proton Privacy, explains how our email acts as our ID online, and the implications of Google's control over that identity. There are alternatives available, but you have to be willing to escape from the clutches of Google and trying something different.
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I hope you enjoyed this short clip of my conversation with Proton CEO Andy Yen. To learn more about using Proton visit this link (www.allthingssecured.com/yt/proton-unlimited) or if you'd like to watch the entire interview with Andy, you can see that here: ua-cam.com/video/sV2OFDbWbqE/v-deo.html
I wish it was that easy,how do I get all the people who have my gmail account to know that I’m changing my email to this address!! Because most people just say Google won’t recognise that email and so they have you by the b…. 0:10
@AllThingsSecured No. I hated it!
Interesting final question. As some one who is pretty tech savvy the idea of breaking away from Google is quite hard and inconvenient, so the likelihood of 'mums' or other less tech minded people breaking free is hard to imagine.
Very true. Thanks for the comment, Darren!
Very informative video josh, really glad you put the effort into having an interview with Proton's CEO. Hoping you do more interviews like this in the future as well cause they are very interesting to watch.
Thanks! Will do!
Yes, these kinds of interviews are important 👏. Thank you for creating this outstanding video! Please keep them coming if they're willing to come on the show.
Thanks for another great video!
i still think the best alternative for privacy is to buy your own domain and if possible host your own e-mail servers.
I agree on buying your own domain (and setting up proper DMARC). Hosting your own email servers is a bit beyond what I’m willing to do though.
@AllThingsSecured I've never heard of DMAR. What if you don't mind me asking what I should type in in order to learn to learn more on the subject
The best alternative for privacy cannot be a solution that is beyond the capability of 95% of the populace
Hosting your own email server completely yourself is actually very hard to do. You have to stop all the other email providers from rejecting or marking your email as spam.
email is not secury by definition, this is way people use signal and other protocols
The truth is email is just 1 out of about 15-20 different identifiers. It doesn't matter about using Gmail or not, the profile is constructed easily and you're identified easily by other ways (50+ other ways). All this does is help make it slightly less easy to keep a profile but it's negligible. In the end they have everything on you and ads etc will appear regardless.
I get that, but you have to start somewhere, and even if this is "one of many" identifiers, it's a big one, if not the biggest.
Ads aren't the problem anyway, it is Google handing over your data to the govt. You can't trust either. The day will come when what you do online will impact what you can do in real life, and Proton email won't save us from that.
Great interview with Dr Yen.
Thank you!
Would you consider also posting your videos on Nebula?
I really like Proton and use their products daily. Screw Google!
It’s a good company!
Love the video! Not sure if it's just me, but the audio seems a little crackly.
Yea, I tried to fix it up as best I could, but the mic was rubbing up against his shirt. Sorry about that.
The UA-cam video reference - stay logged out - is its own discussion I think.
Don’t want to get beat down with ads? Get a subscription. One of the first videos I watched after subscribing was a 2-hour interview (which I had to watch over a few days). I think I would have gone mad after watching the same inane ads if I weren’t signed in.
And adblockers? That’s a continual arms race between Google and the Adblock authors. Just because it works today doesn’t mean it’ll work tomorrow.
So to go back to the analogy of your mom, what’s a person to do that is both easily accessible and not mind-numbingly irritating?
Yea, I totally get that. I mean...I'm a UA-cam Premium subscriber! I think you can still use UA-cam without allowing Google to own your identity, though, and that's still a valid point from this conversation. Thanks for the feedback!
There's definitely some great reasons to subscribe. Unlike the ad blockers, when you watch your favorite monetized channels, the creators still get paid. Plus it's nice to be able to download videos to watch offline or if your ISP or Wi-Fi get wonky. Like listening to audio books or lectures or music? Being able to still listen with the screen OFF (or while doing something else) is really convenient. I regularly listen to audio books on my Android tablet with the cover closed. And there's a selection of movies on UA-cam's movie channel that are subscriber-only.
Good job Josh
Thanks, Rob!
I have a question about what security priority is appropriate for Linux vs Windows vs Mac OS
I'm not even sure I know what you mean.
I don’t care too much about google tracking me, but it’s important to understand how this works so one, if you need/want to be anonymous online you know don’t sign into your profile AND use VPN. And that’s what I do if there is something I am doing and I don’t want that associated with me.
Yea, that makes sense.
What makes you think VPN is secure ?
Because its advertised as such ?
Its not google alone, what about a-sozial media of all kind, including this one, owned by ? :)
What about software which does some dubious things called "telemetry", which you a) can't turn off, or b) gives you an option to turn off, but it isn't.
Had to write my own spyware-killer to kick stuff out of memory (this buggers restart themselves multiple times a second, so the kill-log get huge in a week.
Everything you enter into a search machine (google or otherwise) is stored somewhere
Like windows search... searching your private stuff on hd includes a search in the internet, you can turn it off, but why is this nonsense on by default ?
Now search for you credit card number in your text-files...
What about that funny cookie-question for "browsing-experience", whatever that might be, even before you answer that question you already got one or more of cookies.
Did you ever check which cookies you got after a week, most of them are from sites you never actively visited.
If you want your privacy, you need to have no smartphone, do email-stuff in an internet cafe, etc.
Once you had an account, there is no way to escape anymore.
Anyone thinks a "delete account"- command deletes anything ?
People store private stuff in "the cloud" and think it's save, lmfao.
Hi just want to ask does protonmail offer any discounts any other time of the year beside black friday? Thanks.
Not usually. It's not a bad deal normally, though?
I find they advertise specials throughout the end of the year & I think I saw one in January.
I love proton, will always be my main
They’re awesome.
How are the speeds?
Notice the speed of your ability to produce speech. One must turn you up to 1.75x normal to obtain normal.
Yen produces near normal at normal.
UA-camrs should consider this.
Love and use Proton but admit it is hard to totally opt out of Google products, services, and thus surveillance.
So true. Fact is...they make good products!
Thanks for the great content as always you and @NaomiBrockwell are the best
Thanks so much! Naomi is a rockstar.
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How secure is Proton’s free iOS VPN?
I’m always cautious about free products but all I can afford for the moment.
It's better than other free options, but it's limited and you'll definitely want to start paying at some point.
You are one of my favorite youtube channels!!
Why don’t you ever talk about Mullvad? I would really enjoy your opinion about them and about what they offer
Thanks so much! I've used Mullvad a couple times but it just hasn't been in my regular rotation. That's probably why I haven't talked about them much (I don't talk about VPNs a ton anymore anyway).
I have an Google Phone 7. Should i Install new OS?
You could try using Graphene OS. It’s a great alternative for the Pixel.
this is scary 😮
How so?
Is Proton going to be around in 5 years? 10 years? Are they profitable? What is the chance that someone (i.e. ME!) moves all of their email to Proton and 3 years from now I have to move it all somewhere else and update my email address at 500+ websites?!
It's a reasonable question, but seeing as they've been around for 10 years already and have grown significantly over that period of time, I'm fairly confident saying you're fine to use them.
i often tried to create a new email when signing up for a new account over the past couple of decades just to play it safe. obviously that's a problem by itself being an increasing number of email accounts i needed to safe guard & check. frequently i wouldve just reused one i already had. my number one love for proton has been their ease of generating a random email for an account. its been almost one year since i first started and i haven't looked back since.
Did you do a new email account or a new email alias?
@@AllThingsSecured in the very beginning it was just new a email accounts. i don't recall aliases being a thing yet. then it became aliases within those accounts with a limit of 10 alias per account. proton just simplified & expanded things for me.
I understand (I think) the issues of privacy regarding Google services, but I use various profiles in Brave browser, a VPN connecting from various locations, and multiple Google accounts and have never encountered any "cross-contamination" between them. I mean Google will probably be able to tell that one user is managing all those accounts, but I'm not disturbed by that. Btw Gmail's spam filter is awesome. Ad blockers and cookie zappers rock!
There are definitely other ways to protect yourself, but trying to explain profiles to the average person isn't as easy as simply explaining how Google owns your identity.
Aren't these the same people who sold out one of their users to the police for supposedly dealing drugs? 😂
but, what is actually dangerous? It sounds icky and vile, knowing that some other entity could know me better than I know myself through profiling, but what kind of real-world situations would be effected by this? Besides just being targeted for ads
So are you saying get rid of a google email address?
I'm saying it's possible. You don't *have to* use a Gmail address.
Here I am commenting using a google account :D
But yeah, tracks lots of stuff, reads your email (for advertising purposes they say in the fine print), knows where you login (using google sign in), tracks your location (if you are using your phone signed into google cross platform even).
Saying this, facebook and the others are evil as well and track more than you can imagine.
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Regardimg UA-cam, I have been a member easily, since 2005. So I went thru the Google takeover, etc., etc. I ALWAYS log in because I always want to be able to count on the (AI?) algorithm to recommend choices based on my usage. So npw get this - I have NEVER deleted my watch history and I never plan to. UA-cam, in more recent years, has suggested this as a way to.improve speed and performance. TS! I say they need to deal with that and make a better UA-cam if they can't. I mean come-on! I releigiously rated each video I liked (from 1 to 5) until they took that away. Now I've adopted their "like or dislike" alternative but I'm NOT going to forgo all that time I put into rating the videos I took the time to watch.
And as far as them knowing what I've watched? I've been fine with that since day 1 and figured it was the price of access to free videos. And I'm also not worried about anything that I've watched being associated with me. They have so many enforced "community guidelines", that nothing on UA-cam could ever snag the radar of the gov't or anyone else I'd be concerned about
Paul M.
Atlanta, GA
Too many will simply go with flow
The path of least resistance...
What about Android phones? Can I also just log out from Google? :(
For the Pixel phone, you have the option to install Graphene OS that removes Google.
You need a degoogled phone.
Wait, is not the guy how dox a activist?
Huh?
How do you watch UA-cam without Google?🤔
As he said, you can watch the videos without being logged in. You just can't comment or have any subscriptions. You can also open an incognito window via chrome to cut down on what might get passed to them.
I am not aware of any way to do those things without being logged in. If anyone has a way to do that, I'm all ears too.
What they said.
how does proton make money?
They charge for their products.
@@AllThingsSecured What about all the things they offer for free? The service can't sustain the whole world to use the free version. So, what's their plan, or how do they make money otherwise?
My blockers are working well on Google.
You think the blockers are keeping Google from tracking you?
@@AllThingsSecured Yes. I know what I'm doing! Google is harvesting your data.
But then how will we subscribe?😮
You can still have an email, but it doesn’t have to be from Google.
@@AllThingsSecured but I still have to make a Google account with the custom email. Is that okay?
Well ok, but it’s just like giving your identity to proton then if you opt out. What stops Proton from not doing the same as google in a few years if it makes them billions?
And watching UA-cam not logged in? Ever tried that with all the commercials? If there wasn’t UA-cam Premium, I honestly wouldn’t watch
Convenience sells bad ideas.
I've never heard it said like that before.
@@AllThingsSecured it is a motto I now use to describe most things that are normalized in our lives.
Says the company that makes you verify before you can even verify an authenticator or they'll block you from recieving the email... Screw proton mail, load of rubbish.
Or you can have two accounts, one casual and one for work
Yes, you can do that as well.
I kind a disagree with Mr. Yen.
Yes, you can log out off UA-cam, but then you don't get the premium features.
I need my history logs. I want to start watching a video on my iPad and when I come home, start where I left on the Apple TV.
Google knows this. I'm sold 🙈
When it's comes to email I've been using the last couple years trying to move away from Google to Proton with my own domain.
Trust me when I say that moving email address is more time consuming then moving from one house to another.
You are very right
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Can you explain which part of the migration process for email has been the most time consuming?
I have turned off these 8 Google tougles. Am I secure? Is my privacy tight?
1. Web activities
2. Location history
3. UA-cam history
4. My ad centre
5. Partner ads settings
6. Personal result in search
7. Buisness personalization
8. Shared endorsement in ads
That's a great start! I can't say for certain if you're completely "secure", but every little bit helps.
Too late.
Never too late.
Amish folks are lucky
we need some REAL alternative to google android and apple iphones. everything else is a palliative.
There are software alternatives, but if you’re referring to hardware alternatives, I agree.
@@AllThingsSecured thats very true. i meant for the average user on the market. or else we are just a niche.
@@AllThingsSecuredYes, there are software options, but when in my example, I have a Samsung S22U, which Samsung locks the bootloader, so the only other option is Goodlock from what I've found.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated 👏. Thank you very much
Once again, such an amazing opportunity with a guest like that and we only get 3 minutes. 😢
Did you not see the link in the description for the full interview? You're welcome to watch it if you want.
@@AllThingsSecuredoh, so sorry, gonna check it now . But why is it not listed?
Too late. Probably should delete eberything
You can do that as well.
Good that I'm an Android app developer. I need the Google account for my income, so I don't need to feel bad using their convenient system, haha.
Certainly wouldn’t be in your best interests to delete your Google account.
Yes you will be fine
Just don't use google for everything, turn off history tracking and recommends is easy.
what?
@@budgetarmswhat he said, do as much as you can by blocking 🚫 access to Google Applications. You'll find many links and information on XDA. Check the site out.
That's a step, but there's a lot more to it than that.